John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, October 22nd, 2014. I’m John Richardson.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we interview Miko Tempski of the citizens committtee for the right to keep and bear arms.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll report on Operation Choke Point and another knife attack stopped by a gun owner.
John, of course we have our weekly stories of self-defense and defensive gun use.
Rob so climb aboard
Rachel strap in
John, and hang on! Episode 278 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
John- Nothing really new since the weekend. I did order scope rings and a mount for my new-to-me (and perfectly legal in California) Marlin 336A rifle which I got at an auction on Saturday. I also bought a set of bullet molds for .30-30 for when I ever get around to bullet casting.
Rachel- I spent the weekend with an eager group of ladies at the Fredericksburg LadySeed – an Appleseed rifle marksmanship instructional event for women only.
how was the weather?
Also..what does it mean to “time out” in a shooting stage at the Zombie Run? Your score is a combination of total run time as well as your shooting time at each of 8 shooting stations. So, the range officer times you and records that time….but each stage has a time limit If you reach that, you have “timed out” and must move on.
Rob- Lots of dry practice. Grip, presentation, and reloads. Isometric grip exercises. IDPA this weekend. Reading a book on propaganda and the mainstream media. (Professor Brian Anse Patrick) I have Brian Aitken’s book on the nightstand.
Seg 2- News
John -Thirty members of Congress demanded the Department of Justice launch an “immediate investigation” into the agency’s own Operation Choke Point. Representatives wanted to know who was involved in creating and implementing the initiative against enterprises that are out of favor with the Obama administration. Led by Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer, R-Mo., the 30 lawmakers sent a letter to Michael Horowitz, the Justice Department’s inspector general, and Robin Ashton, head of its Office of Professional Responsibility. The Congressmen calling Choke Point a “blatant abuse of legal authority.” Six Republican Senators sent a letter to the Justice Department earlier this month demanding that Attorney General Eric Holder release information about Operation Choke Point.
rachel comment- and what will happen when the Obama administrations ignores them or writes a false report exonerating itself?
Rob-Jean-Pierre Robinet owns the Old Forge pub in Knoydart, a town of just 111 in Scotland. This week he fought back tears as a court declared his .300 Blaser rifle and a shotgun that he had brought with him when he emigrated from Belgium were illegal and forfeit. Robinet had legally owned the guns in Belgium and had traveled with Belgioum and Scotland for 16 years. There every autumn in the thick forests around Knoydart, which can only be reached by boat or 18-mile overland hike, he would hunt for two weeks. These hunting trips led the Belgian restaurateur to buy the Old Forge nearly two years ago. However, since he is now a full-time UK resident, the guns are illegally owned and will now be disposed of.
Rachel comment- now don’t we all feel safer.
John comment- bigotry on display
Rachel -Certified firearms instructor Rick Ward knows last year’s big debate in the Mississippi legislature was about open carry. The new open carry laws prompted signs banning firearms on buildings across the state. Ward says the building owners are ignoring the Mississippi citizens who can legally carry a gun. “Cities and counties are imposing standards, laws or ordinances and resolutions that violate state law. That’s where we have the problem.” Another bill passed this legislative session allowing citizens to file complaints and ask those locations to remove the signs. More than 30 have been filed since the law took effect. “In one way you say well maybe it’s arrogance, maybe it’s ignorance,” said Ward. “I don’t really know which is the case. You’ve got cities and counties that are not complying till they’re forced to do so.” Some places like the town of Florence are stilling trying to get questions answered. Their attorney requested an opinion from Attorney General Jim Hood last month. The topics are all about clarifying the application of gun laws. Traffic stops were also mentioned. That’s a point Ward is especially concerned about. “We’re not a threat to police officers just because we carry a gun,” he said.
John -A new law was passed in Pennsylvania that allows firearms owners to sue government agencies for their bigoted firearms laws. Now some Democrats are upset they broke the law.. and have to pay for it. Some of the anti-gun politicians thought they could ignore the Pennsylvania state pre-emption laws, and keep the civil rights protesters tied up in court forever. After all, the politicians are spending someone else’s money for lawyers. Not any more. Now Pennsylvania politicians get to tell their story to the judge.. and pay up.
rachel comment- So now we get to find out if a law is a restriction on the right of self-defense.. or not!
Rob -Are you one in a million.. or one in a thousand? A newly created database of New Yorkers deemed too mentally unstable to carry firearms has grown to roughly 34,500 names. That recently released figure raised concerns among some mental health advocates. The mental health professionals said too many people were being categorized as dangerous to themselves or others. Civil rights activists worried that people who posed no threat at all would have their rights infringed. Mental health advocates also argued that the new laws unnecessarily stigmatized people with mental illnesses. Because the names in New York’s database and the circumstances of their cases are private, it is impossible to independently determine whether the people in the database are truly dangerous. Gun-rights opponents claim a wide net is appropriate because of the potentially dire consequences. Even if just one dangerous person had a gun taken away, “that’s a good thing,” said Brian Malte, senior national policy director of the Brady Campaign. The N R A proposed a separate “process of adjudication” to make sure that “these decisions are not being made capriciously and maliciously.”
John comment- As usual, the New York legislature and the elite New York press ignore that guns save lives. They will never count the disarmed victims who could have defended themselves if the state had allowed them to be armed.
Rachel -A jury of six men and six women acquitted a Norristown, Pennsylvania man Thursday of all charges related to a shooting last year. A drunk man entered Culbreath’s Barbershop. The drunk argued with mister Albert Dudley who works at the barbershop. Dudley has a concealed carry license.. and was carrying at the time. The drunk tried to take Mister Dudley’s gun. In the struggle Dudley fired a round into the floor, and also through the arm of the intoxicated man.
Dudley was arrested and charged by Norristown police. This week he was found innocent of two counts of aggravated assault, two counts of simple assault and one count of recklessly endangering another person.
Rob comment- a gun is not the ultimate weapon. It is a tool among many options. A bigoted prosecutor is dangerous to firearms owners.
John -Matthew Halleck brings his two girls to and from the outskirts of Harriet Bishop Elementary in Rochester, Minnesota every day. “I’m going to protect my children anyway I can,” said Halleck. For Matthew, that means having a concealed carry license and carrying where he can. Recently, a sign went up in a front yard across the street from the school. It has Matthew’s picture on it and reads, “This man carries a loaded gun around your children every day. Since we don’t have a way to stop him, we felt it was important to notify the neighborhood and the parents that there is an armed man in their presence,” said Kimberly Edson, a Rochester resident who put the sign up.
Rachel comment- You are always an ambassador. Sometimes a good one. Sometimes a bad one.
Rob- I’d like to thank Mr Halleck
Rob -Edgewood High School Principal Russ Fussnecker may soon start his work day by strapping on a gun. His Butler County, Ohio school district near Cincinnati allows school administrators to carry a handgun while on school grounds. Fussnecker said he will get a concealed-carry gun license then take the required training from the Butler County Sheriff’s department. They would give him a certificate to carry a handgun in a public school building.
The School Principal said, “If someone wants to come into a school building and create havoc and cause harm, it is hard to stop them (if we’re unarmed). An armed principal “will make the school safer.” Butler County and its schools have been emphasizing building security. School officials credit Sheriff Richard Jones, who has made national headlines since Sandy Hook with some of his safety proposals including using former police and military officers as armed substitute teachers.
comment- good for Principal Fussnecker. It would be better if no one knew who was armed.
Rachel -In Episode 276, we reported on how the Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors were using an armed robbery at a Kroger store to push their move to have legal open or concealed carry banned at the chain. It looks like they are at it again. In this case, the armed robber was dressed in a black hoodie, carried an umbrella, and had on a Halloween skeleton mask while demanding cash at gunpoint. They say, “These crimes at two Kroger stores in one week should serve as a wake up call to Kroger’s leadership to prohibit the open carry of firearms in its stores. Kroger customers should not be responsible for determining if someone in the store holding a gun is a criminal or making a political statement. “
We are including the surveillance photo issued by the Cincinnati Police in our show notes so that you can make the determination.
John Comment – If I were that teller, I’d already have pressed the silent alarm and readied the exploding dye packet of money. It is that obvious.
rob comment- Mandatory disarmament is a fantasy. They want a no-guns sign as if that will work any better than the no robbery sign.
rachel comment- We will see if Kroger customers and management is smart enough to know the difference between a fantasy and reality.
john – The US Supreme Court has agreed to take a case tangentially involving firearms. It is actually more of a takings case. Former Border Patrol Agent Tony Henderson was convicted of distributing marijuana back in 2007 and sentenced to 6 months in prison. When he was arrested, he voluntarily gave his 19 firearms to the FBI. Henderson later asked to be able to sell the firearms as a felon cannot own firearms and a judge refused. The 11th Circuit Ct. of Appeals in Atlanta affirmed the ruling. The legal question is whether the federal prohibition on felons possessing firearms terminates all ownership rights. His attorney argues that leaving the ruling intact strips gun owners of their property rights for conviction upon an unrelated charge. The government argues that Henderson could have transferred or sold the guns prior to his conviction.
comment Rob- It isn’t clear if Henderson faced full due process.
Rob – There was a terror attack in Ottawa, Canada today at the War Memorial and the Canadian Parliament. Corporal Nathan Cirillo was on duty at the War Memorial and was killed in the attack. The attack was attributed to radicalized Canadian Muslim convert Michael Zehaf-Bibeau who was killed by police during his attack on Parliament. This didn’t stop supermodel Chrissy Teigen from using the event to criticize US gun laws.
Our sympathy to the family of Corporal Cirillo. I noticed that the Parliament was protected by armed security. They met violence with violence and saved the legislators. As a counter example, Canadian citizens are asked to wait as disarmed victims until the police arrive.
Rachel – Missouri State Senator Jamilah Nasheed had a gun in her possession at the time she was arrested. She was arrested as she protested outside the Ferguson Missouri Police Department. Senator Nasheed has a concealed carry license, and has an anti-gun voting record. She sponsored several Missouri Bills including a Gun Owner Registry. She also refused to take a breath analysis because the police thought she acted strangely, she was kneeling in the street and she “smelled strongly of intoxicants.”
Rob comment- You or I would be in jail. She goes to trial next year.
John- Gun Quote “One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that ‘violence begets violence.’ I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure — and in some cases I have — that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.” – Jeff Cooper
John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews
What will Washington initiative 591 do? Why was 591 necessary?
It’s designed to prevent gun confiscation like we saw after Katrina – without due process. It also prevents state agencies from promoting background checks that are stricter than a national standard. (See full text)
An initiative is just as a law passed by the legislature, but with greater protections (it can’t be changed immediately).
What happens if 591 and 594 both pass?
It’s unclear what happens when two competing initiatives pass, covering the same topic. Possibly, the conflicting portions would simply be cancelled out; possibly, the courts would consider which initiative received more votes.
Why have two competing initiatives, instead of simply opposing 594?
difficulties in educating voters on what’s in 594
additional protections are afforded by 591
Do law enforcement support 591?
Yes. Most do.
Why is initiative 594 particularly dangerous?
It criminalizes non-violent behavior, including normal firearms safety classes. It shuts down the gun culture in Washington State by making it very difficult to take friends shooting or to go hunting with your family. Also, because it’s an initiative, the legislature would not be able to change anything about it for at least two years.
Segment 4 DGUs
Rob – In our last two episodes, we’ve featured DGUs in which someone with a knife is stopped by an armed citizen. In this case, a Flint, Michigan robber brandished a knife and demanded money last Thursday around 7pm. The victim responded by pulling his legally carried firearm while calling 9-1-1. The victim held the robber until police arrived and arrested the robber.
Rachel –The residents of a Bellevue, Nebraska apartment started keeping a shotgun near the front door after a previous break-in. It came in handy after Tyrell Dalia, 21, broke into the home Saturday night armed with a handgun. One of the occupants responded to Dalia’s threats with armed force. Dalia, who was out on bail while awaiting trial on felony charges, was killed.
Rob Comment – Wait, I thought people under indictment for a felony weren’t supposed to have firearms.
John –A home invasion in Sarasota County, Florida turned deadly early Tuesday morning. Fortunately, it was deadly for the home invader and not the residents. When home owner Chris Bane heard the glass break at 5:40 am, he armed himself. Going out into the hallway, he came face to face with Calvin Yoder. After Yoder fired a shot at him, Mr. Bane returned fire killing Yoder. A spokeswoman for the Sarasota County Sheriff’s Dept says no charges will be brought against Mr. Bane as he was defending himself and his 11 year old son. Yoder had been arrested several times and had served time in prison.
Rob – A store clerk in Albuquerque, New Mexico gave the armed robbers $100 and his watch. The Pajarito Corner Store had been the target of armed robberies in the past. When the clerk went to lock the door of the store after they left, one of them turned around and pointed a firearm at him from their Mercedes. That is when he shot and killed one of the robbers. Christopher Garza, 20, was pronounced dead at UNM Hospital. Police say the shooting was justified. His accomplice, Reuben Lucero, also 20, is now being charged with felony murder in his death.
John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
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I wrote about our California gun laws. Mental health evaluations don’t work to protect us.
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John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank our guest Miko Tempski for joining us today. Our go fund me page needs some love. We’re raising money to bring you streaming video from next years Gun Rights Policy Conference in Phoenix, Arizona. Rachel and Rob, will you be with us for the weekend show? I’m looking forward to it. So until next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: Y’all please be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.