Episode 394 – Texas Constitutional Carry?

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment


3- DGU Segment: 

4- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition and a proud founding show on the Self Defense Radio Network. We are recording this show on Sunday, November 27th.  I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we talk about the attorney General of Massachusetts, who said that Massachusetts law is what she says it is.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and we’ll talk about how Texas can win all the things that other states already enjoy.

John: I’m John Richardson and we’ll also discuss about the moves for Constitutional Carry in multiple states.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we have an update on the concealed carrier that saved a cop …. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  Episode 394 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Carried every day.  Posted another episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories with Jenna Meek as my instructor.  I joined Bill Frady on Lock and Load Radio.  I had my family home for thanksgiving, and I got to take my brother shooting.

John- I’m sorry I missed the last show. It was due to what I call the Olivia Daycare virus which hit all of us. I was a guest on Cheryl and Dan Todd’s Gun Freedom Radio the weekend after the election. Gun Freedom Radio In gun news I finished assembling my AR pistol. It is a mixture of used and new parts which is typical of most of my ARs. Finally, we’ve had a number of wildfires all over WNC. I’d like to thank the firefighters from around the country that have responded. With luck, we’ll get some good rain this week.

Rachel- Can’t believe it’s been 6 weeks since I was on the show??? ON the other hand, feels almost like 6 months

  • Florida trip: MAG-30 and MAGIC (shoutout to Tracy for the motivation to go!)
    • Gear requirements: full setup (gun, holster, mags/speedloaders & holders) for primary gun, primary gun mirror image, back-up gun (smaller carry gun), revolver, and spare gun.
    • MAG-30: several single speed quals, double speed, triple speed
    • MAGIC: 5-10 normal single speed quals; single speed with mirror image, revolver, and back-up gun; quad speed
    • 4k rounds primary gun
    • David Maglio (https://www.facebook.com/david.maglio/) – can’t say enough good things about his instruction and the way he structures his courses for maximum value for each round.
    • 9mm and Glock 19 won for me – end of my experiment trying to prove others are better.
    • Quad speed: didn’t know I could shoot so fast accurately
    • Personal best in consistency and growth
  • LTC classes: for little guns — Bersa Thunder fails, Ruger LCP/LC9 works, S&W Shield wins
  • S&W Shield: good (works great, easy function – go without the thumb safety), bad (fewer rounds for carry), ugly (broken spring – known issue, but S&W *did* overnight me another after I pressed them about it)
  • Subscribe to TFF YouTube channel….. #constitutionalcarry here we come!

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2- News 1

In her opinion, a Democrat Attorney General can’t violate the second amendment.

Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey told a federal court her recent ban on the sale of “Massachusetts-compliant” semi-auto rifles is both within the scope of her duties and complies with the US constitution. In July, Healy declared she was banning the sale of “copycat” rifles.  These rifles shared any common parts such as triggers or bolt carriers with AR-15s, AK-variants and others on the Commonwealth’s prohibited “assault weapons” list.  This led to a rush on stores by gun owners seeking to buy the newly prohibited models, as well as pushback from lawmakers and regulatory agencies. Finally, in September, four gun dealers and a firearms trade advocacy group filed suit in federal court seeking to overturn the new rules. This week, the attorney general’s 53-page response was that the legal challenge is without merit and should be dismissed.

The lawsuit brought against Attorney General Healy raised several objections.

Heally’s ruling is inconsistent with Massachusetts law,

It is unconstitutionally vague, and can be read in a way that violates the Second Amendment.

Healy replied that the allegations should be dismissed, because she is tasked with interpreting Massachusetts law, and that any strain placed on the Second Amendment “imposes no significant burden on the rights of law-abiding individuals to possess a firearm for self-defense in the home.”

Rob- She pretends that the Heller and McDonald cases don’t exist.  States can interpret the Second amendment as a right of the state to bear arms, and that there is no individual rights to bear arms in the home.

John – She is trying to ride this to the governor’s office. I find it very sad that a lesbian fails to see how firearms such as these actually protect the LGBTQ community from abusers. She needs to talk to Erin Palette.

Gary –

Paul – Does anyone know if the SAF is involved?

Rob- Healy is talking to her donors, not her voters.

The news media has noticed an increase in gun sales to minorities, gays, and women. They are trying to portray it as a reaction to the election of Donald Trump. Comments?



Gary –

Rachel-Many of us had an inciting incident or encounter that woke us up to the possibility that we could need to protect ourselves, and made us want to carry a gun. If this is what woke them up, then good. I want more people awakened and taking personal responsibility.

John- Larry Correia has come out with a guide for liberals  interested in gun ownership.  –http://monsterhunternation.com/2016/11/14/a-handy-guide-for-liberals-who-are-suddenly-interested-in-gun-ownership/

Constitutional Carry: South Dakota, North Dakota, Texas, …..who’s next?



FAQ on constitutional carry: http://www.texasfirearmsfreedom.com/how-well-do-you-understand-constitutional-carry/

How would you explain Constitutional Carry?

Did you know that 20% of states allow it?

Does the data show more or less violent crime in those states?

What about needing a permit for reciprocity?

When can we get Constitutional Carry in Texas?

3 things we cannot fail to do: COME to hearings (commit now!), CALL your reps (now, and during session when bills get “stuck”), and CONNECT with TFF or another organization for action alerts


Rob- Politicians appeal to their narrow voting blocks and their political donors.  With gerrymandering, politicians choose their voters, not the other way around.  Politicians want to drive their political opponents from their states.  We are seeing the big sort as people chose their politicians by moving to another state.


Rob- End of year donations?

Gun Quote – Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty. Thomas Jefferson

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with defensive gun use.


3- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended to promote thought and discussion, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Update to CCW Carrier’s Save of a Florida Cop – CCW Carriers Assisting Cops
Last week, we covered a story that was developing as we recorded: a CCW holder had saved the life of a police officer being attacked alongside a Florida highway. Praise for the man who shot the attacker off the deputy was immediate and profound. And a local area gun store immediately put a very tangible sign of their appreciation in the hands of the hero.

As a natural part of the investigation, the police took the good samaritan’s handgun into evidence. It will likely remain there for months, if not years. Mark Williams, of the Shoot Straight gun store in Fort Myers, acted to ensure the good guy will continue to have a self-defense gun. Shoot Straight, with the blessing and assistance of the Lee County Sheriff, gave the man a new Springfield XDS.

According to Sheriff Mike Scott; “In a day and age where race is a near-instant focus for media and other pundits in police incidents, the fact is that this hero happens to be a man of color who stopped another man of color from further harming or killing a white cop; thereby reminding us that black lives matter, blue lives matter, and indeed all life matters. We at your Sheriff’s Office remain proud to serve and focused on the mission.”

We also applaud the CCW holder, as well as Shoot Straight and the Lee County Sheriff’s Department for their civic duty.  This is just another reminder that the police and the citizens are on the same team and can and should work in support of one another. This has been a hard week for law-enforcement, with five officers shot in the line of duty, two fatally. We stand with those that stand to “Protect and Serve”.   

Gas Station Clerk v. Armed Serial Robber

A robber attacked and shot a gas station attendant before being fatally wounded himself. Matthew Brown, 20, was in the midst of a Tallahassee, Florida crime spree when he stopped to prey at a Sunoco gas station. He demanded money from the clerk, and backed-up his demands at the point of a gun. The two fought over the gun and the clerk was hit by a round fired from Brown’s gun. The wounded clerk made it to a firearm hidden under the store’s counter and got off a shot in defense of his life. That shot left Brown dying on the station’s floor.  

Police believe Brown committed at least 10 other armed robberies in the past week. The silver Cobra handgun found near the body was seen at the other robberies, as was the distinctive upscale back-pack Brown carried. Brown’s get-away driver was arrested with clothing and zombie and clown masks also linked to the robberies. Kendrick Herring, 26, had been convicted of second-degree murder before being set free on a technicality. He had also served time for felony battery and cocaine possession. Herring was charged with armed robbery, possession of marijuana and cocaine, and murder while engaged in a felony offense. He is being held without bond.

The clerk is expected to recover from his wound. It is no stretch to say hIs use of the gun possibly saved his life.  

Rob- Let’s not confuse success with good practice.

75-Year-Old Shoots Home Invader
A 75-year-old man used a gun to defend his life during a late-night invasion of his Detroit home. One suspect died at the scene, the other is still on the lam. The homeowner awoke around 3 am from noises at his back door. According to police, he found two suspects standing inside his home. The man fired twice, hitting one, who collapsed and died in the home’s backyard. His partner ran off and has not been captured. Both invaders were described as males between 16 and 18.  

Police say the incident remains under investigation.  

CF- Homeowner is in a very difficult position, with intruders in his home and the Detroit Police’s response time measured in many minutes or even hours. Still, it would have probably been better to bunker down in a safe room.

78-Year-Old Grandma Defends Her Life With a Gun

Elaine Stiehl, 78, was preparing to take a nap when she heard suspicious noises from the front of her Atlanta area home. The feisty old grandma grabbed a gun, loaded it and stepped into the hallway. She found two strangers in that hallway. Seeing the gun, the two turned tail and ran from the house into a SUV driven by a female accomplice. The trio sped off but were later caught on the highway. Police recovered two guns (one was stolen), power tools and fur coats.  The criminal masterminds, all looking like an anti-Meth advertisement, have been booked for burglary and theft by receiving stolen property.

As we learned decades ago, you just don’t mess with Grandma’s nap!

Rob- Was grandma good or lucky?


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Well, for better or for worse, we now have a President-Elect Trump.  I’ll leave off of discussing exactly how I feel about that man, but suffice to say that while he is no Clinton, he’s absolutely not my favorite.

I know a lot of us in the gun community are breathing a sigh of relief now.  I understand that.  I would also encourage us to still be mindful of our liberties, both the 2nd amendment and the rest of them.  The Democratic party is learning a harsh lesson about expanding executive power – A strong executive is all well and good, until the winds of change turn against you, and the powers you just enacted turn to your political opponents.  In that spirit, we should all be cautious if Trump turns out to be as authoritarian as he presented himself on the campaign trail – All of our liberties may be at risk if he succeeds in “reforming” libel laws and punishing political opponents, let alone the implications of his “carried out on a stretcher” comments.  We should also be cautious that in our current (and entirely legitimate) fear about Jihadism and radical Islam, we don’t do permanent damage to the institution of religious freedom.  

The grand irony here is that many Democrats are beginning to know why we conservatives have been harping on separation of powers, limited government, and the right to bear arms.  Now that the balance of power is shifting away from their side, they’re looking to these principles, which they snidely ignored and derided before, to protect their liberties.  I have had 2 friends, both transgender, call me up and ask me some questions about the process of becoming armed.  Since this is nearly half of the trans people I know, I think it shows a sudden and decided shift in opinion.  While I think their fears are overstated, we need to understand that for many people, the fear they feel is real, partly because of things Trump said, and partly because of the vastly distorted image of him the media portrayed.

If we really want to safeguard our 2nd amendment rights, I would encourage gun owners to be welcoming to liberals just now warming to the idea of bearing arms.  Too much of our political discourse today is meme-based facebook snark-fests and straw-man misrepresentation of opposing views, and quite often we have no real understanding of why anyone could honestly hold different opinions.  Your show has a history of civil, informed discussion that I would like to see take hold in more places, and your listeners could be a force for change, especially if they are there when these two sides meet at the gun counter.  Listen, inform, be helpful, and help them to learn that the 2nd amendment is their right, too, and they should guard it every bit as jealously as we do.

-Jake from Iowa.

Gary –

I forgot to mention:

Perhaps the most important opportunity we have if liberals begin to show up at ranges and gun shops is to change their minds about Trump voters.  They have been sold a bill of goods that Trump and all of his voters are hateful, racist, mysoginistic xenophobes.  That’s a lie, and in every small interaction we have with people from the other side of the fence, we have a chance to prove it, if only we can stay civil, helpful, and -dare I say it? Compassionate.

-Jake from Iowa

Rob- Trump did more for the acceptance of smaller government in one week than the Libertarian party accomplished in 40 years.

Paul – I said it when the news story was brought up, but will say it again, welcome to the club to any and all that have joined us as gun owners.

Rachel-thank you Jake for the compliment to the show. I appreciate our informed, civil discussions also.

The Pentagon just issued a new policy to allow personnel to apply to carry concealed, personal weapons on military installations!

The federal building prohibition in the U.S. Code still stands, unless specifically excepted by the authority granting permission to carry.  Other locations on a military installation, including possession in cars, would be covered and allowed under this policy. The individual services now get busy writing their own implementing instructions.  It isn’t clear if all commanders will grant authorization to carry, but this policy change sure opens the door to allow it.  Our new President may open the doors further if he delivers on his campaign promises.

Unfortunately, while this is a step in the right direction, it does nothing for most military members in “may issue” states, and states that rarely issue carry licenses to nonresidents (such as Illinois).  

As expected, the arming authority must ensure applicants “Meet applicable federal, State, local, or, as applicable, host-nation requirements to carry a firearm. Proof of compliance may include a concealed handgun license that is valid under federal, State, local, or host-nation law in the location where the DoD property is located.”

Many military members will remain unable to protect themselves because of absurd host state attitudes toward self-defense.

Policy is here, in Section 4:


Thank you,

Kevin (in Illinois)

Rob- an executive order can fix this.  We can change which bases are staffed.  Hint.

Paul- I was going to say what rob just did, but will go a bit farther


Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob-  I talked about reciprocity between states.  The article is called-  ”Are guns legal in your town, but not next door?”

I wrote a paid article for Second Call Defense.  We see lots of gun owners who imagine they are safe because they own a gun.  A gun does not make you safe.  Your habits make you safe.  That article is called ”Voodoo Gun Owners and Superstitious Self-Defense”

Those articles and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

John- We in the gun culture overall won on Election Day. That said, we need to be on our toes as the gun prohibitionists are not quitting. A case in point is the push for so-called “smart guns”. The National Institute of Justice released their final specifications for such technology if it is to be used by law enforcement. This was in response to President Obama’s Executive Memorandum to Justice, Homeland Security, and DOD ordering to research the technology. Moreover, gun controllers are shifting their attention to the states where they have had more success. We need to be aware and be ready to crush their moves wherever and whenever it comes up.

Gary- We’d like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul – Shot show

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Craig, Gary, Rachel, Susan,Charlotte, and Rob,  Until the next time…

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

Rachel: and we’ll see y’all down the road.

Episode 220 – Joe Chetwood and Miguel Gonzalez

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, march 15th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have an interview with Miguel Gonzalez of “Gun Free Zone”
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Joe: I’m guest host Joe Chetwood from Crusader Weaponry
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 220 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1 Personal news from each participant

Joe Chetwood- finding my way out of boxes.

John: I just finished reading Jm Curtis’ The Grey Man: Vignettes. Jim, also known as Old NFO, blogs at the blog “Nobody Asked Me.”  The novel is Jim’s first and a great start. I highly recommend it to anyone who likes a good story that has guns interwoven through it.

Rob: I got in some dry practice with reloads and malfunction clearance.  I invited a friend over, so practice can be fun.  So was dinner, but dry practice is always a good excuse to throw a party.

Rachel: Got a CWW pin from whiskey5a today, doing online training tomorrow for Texas Firearms Freedom activists for the next convention to help move gun legislation along, and scheming for how I can clone myself so next weekend I can staff the A Girl & A Gun conference, teach at an Appleseed shoot, and be a delegate in my county convention all at the same time.

Paul is in Soux Falls and jumped home from Wisconsin.  We’re podcasting from ABN surplus.

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Seg 2- News

Paul: In Rob’s backyard, Ares Armor machines AR lowers and sells polymer lowers.  The BATF asked for its inventory and customer list.  Dimitrios Karras, owner of Ares Armor, asked for a restraining order against the ATF.. and he received it.  So far the customer list is safe.  Ares is also being harassed by a local city council for its sign that shows a modern sporting rifle.  Anti-gun bigotry is not dead in San Diego.

In late breaking news, the ATF broke into Ares Armor’s national city office and seized records. That is the real price of having a weak sheriff in San Diego County.

Rob- Idaho Governor Butch Otter signed a bill allowing people with enhanced Idaho concealed carry permits to carry firearms on state school campuses.  The law takes effect July first when anti-gun journalists forecast the streets will run with blood.  I doubt it since eight states allow some firearms onto school campuses.

John:  Retired elementary school teacher Laura Getty was diagnosed with breast cancer on Valentine’s Day. Her son Jeffrey, also a teacher, developed a lesson plan to help her conquer her fear. Since she had never fired a gun before, he took her to the Palmetto State Armory range in Greenville, SC where they live. Laura says she found it very therapeutic as all she had to do was focus on the target. Afterwards, Jeffrey sent the range a thank you note explaining the circumstances. PSA was so touched that they built up a hot pink custom AR-15 for Laura  as a gift. They also made a second one that they are raffling to raise money for her treatment. They have now put that raffle online because demand was so strong.

Rachel- Shane Kinney is an NRA member.  He is also a 16 year old and works a part time job at his local gun club.  He wore an NRA shirt to school and served a one day suspension when the school vice principal told him to turn the shirt inside out.  Shane refused.  “I’ve worn other shirts before with guns on them.  I was never asked to cover up. I think this happened because it was an NRA shirt.”  Officials at the school cited the dress code which prohibits any clothing that might incite or encourage “violent activities.”  Grand Island High School is located between Niagara Falls and Buffalo, New York.  Sounds like the school administrator flunked the Zero Tolerance for Stupid test.

Rachel – A group of over 100 Texans with CATI-TX (“Come And TAke It”) open carried their rifles and shotguns through downtown Austin during the SXSW festival again today, and I was again privileged to be among them. The light rain might have dampened our clothes and rifles, but it didn’t dampen spirits among the men, women, and children who participated. During the months that these activists have faithfully done their safe, peaceful, friendly open carry walks, the attitude of the APD has changed, and they now come out and shake our hands and even escort us to make sure no one messed with us. Hooray for peaceful, effective grassroots activism!

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On a sad note: a car plowed through barricades a couple of nights ago and killed a few SXSW participants and injured almost 2 dozen more. I guess barricades and signs don’t work so well – for banning either guns or cars….

John: We all know it is easier to ride a bicycle downhill.  It is also easier to promote a cause with a sympathetic news media to inflate your claims.  But what would the media say if they had an anti-gun rally and nobody came?  26 bicycle riders rode from Newtown Connecticut to Washington DC to carry their anti-gun message to the nations capital and provide a media moment for politicians who hate self-defense.  If you look closely at the photos of the rally, it looks like the riders and politicians were larger than the crowd.  Some of the bicycle riders said they received considerable support along the route from the New Jersey police.  Let’s see a show of hands if you’re surprised.


Rachel – A statewide grassroots group in California gathered over 60,000 signatures to date proposing  quote- “a state constitutional initiative ensuring the right to bear arms for all individuals and guarantee the right of all individuals to lawfully use a firearm for personal and property protection, hunting and sport shooting.” California Gun Rights is attempting to collect over a million valid signatures by the May 20 deadline. They posted downloadable copies of their petition in both legal and letter sizes for circulators to use.  California is one of only six states that lack second amendment language in their constitutions.

We have an interview with Miguel Gonzalez about the Florida bill that might permit school staff to go armed.  Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Seg 3 Interview with Miguel Gonzalez from the blog “Gun Free Zone”.  Miguel talks about the Florida bill that might permit school staff to go armed and how the Miami Herald lost their mind.

Ask the GunDoc questions with Joe Chetwood.
1. I have a savage 357 over 20 ga, it has a crack on the wood near the selector switch with the piece about to come off, is there any type of glue made just for this type of repair? i don’t do anything with this gun but shoot every now and then so its not critical, just want it to look right

2. I have a pt1911 ar pistol made by taurus and the grip safety does not work. The safety is a little loose at the pin that holds it in place. If i push up on the beavertail safety right under the hammer the safety works. Has anyone had this problem with theirs and if so how was it fixed without sending it back to taurus for repairs. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

3. My Thompson SMG is now back together, but I can’t use it because the ‘headspace’ is off. Is this something that can be repaired (gun is about 25yrs old), or do I have a 45cal paperweight?

4. I have a 1911 and the front sight came off at the range and I couldn’t find it. How can I figure out what height I need if I still have the rear sight?

5. I have a TCP 380. When firing, the slide isn’t cycling and it’s not feeding the next round. Could this be a future gunsmith visit or is there something I can do myself?

6. I have a gorgeous Remington 48 sc 12 gauge. It’s not ejecting the empty shells. It pulls up a new shell but still, the empty isn’t being grabbed out. Is this a common problem with this gun?

7. Type 53 nagant sight removal. I want to remove the entire front sight so I can slide the bayonet lug off, but is the front sight mount also soldered on?
Break and Shelly Sorensen when we come back.

8. Interdynamic KG-99 pistol (9mm) with a 30 round clip. When I put the loaded clip in the weapon and rack the lever to load it, it is tossing the first cartridge out on the ground. The motion of the bolt seems to be catching the first round and tossing it out or, the motion is dislodging the first round just enough that it becomes loose enough for the magazine spring is spitting it out. Or something… Any ideas what the problem may be?

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob: Lisa Atkin was sick in bed Wednesday morning and couldn’t go to work.  She was surprised when her three labradors wouldn’t stop barking.  Then she heard another loud noise from the front of her house and grabbed her firearm from the nightstand.  She slowly cleared her way into her home and found Joseph Baker.  She drew her weapon and told Baker to lie down on the floor while she called police.  The police arrived 23 minutes later.  The  Junction City Oregon homeowner said, “We’ve been through the Oregon Firearms Academy courses so we were trained to deal with these kinds of situations.  Twenty three minutes is a long time and while most people in town wouldn’t have to wait that long for a response, it was an incredibly quick response for where we live.” (close quote) The burglar is in the Lane County Jail facing charges of burglary, resisting arrest, menacing, and criminal mischief.

Any comments?

John:  A pizza delivery woman in Fayetteville, North Carolina made an unexpected delivery.  26 year old Ashley Marie Hurd approached a house at about 10pm and asked the man standing outside to be paid for the pizza.  A second man walked up behind her, put something against Ashley’s head and demanded money.  She drew her handgun and both suspects ran.

If I was a pizza delivery driver, male or female, in Fayetteville, I’d carry a handgun, too.

I’d also like to make a comment on this DGU. It is important to note that no shots were fired and it was the mere presence of a firearm that ended this encounter safely for Ms. Hurd.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Tips and tricks segment with Kathy Jackson

Segment 5 Show close and listener e-mail discussion

Paul and Crew,

Got behind listening due to problems with downloading the show via itunes after the name change so these comments are over a few shows.

I. For the guy who disliked the British accent. My father didn’t care much for the British either. No idea why, something dealing with his stay during WWII. I enjoyed my too short stay in England back in the 80’s. Really fell in love with the beer, real beer; definitely not PBR. The Brits do need to take some lessons on how to season their fool Having to salt and pepper pizza to make it edible just isn’t right. I personally like the accent. Brings back memories of watching Mrs. Emma Peel in those nice leather cat suits she wore.

II. With regard to the posting of home addresses and pictures of the various congress vermin. I agree with you however we must not be too worried about taking the high road in this war. There does become a point where one must fight fire with fire. The problem is that there are very few, and mostly ineffective ways, to hold these people accountable for their malicious acts. I don’t think many states have a recall option and it is very rarely possible to hold them legally accountable for the damage and hurt they cause. Roman senators and tribunes were completely immune for their actions but at least once they left office they could be brought to account. No so with out system. They can get away with anything. Look at the disdain the state shyster Corey is getting away with in Florida.

For an interesting, and highly questionable result I suggest reading “Unintentional Consequences” by John Ross. The book is way too long and quite slow in getting started but still entertaining. I just hope it never actually comes down to that extreme. It is rather scary of how some rather radical ideas are much more commonly heard than they were just a few short years ago. In fact, if the state of Connecticut doesn’t get its act together things could quickly degenerate into something very similar and those who are truly responsible, the idiots who made the ridiculous law will never be made to really answer for all the tears that will be shed.

III. With regard to Kathy Jackson’s comments on training. I completely agree that one shouldn’t come in with the attitude that keeps them from taking suggestions on how to improve. However I don’t see the problem with people wanting validation. If one is doing something correctly I can understand them wanting conformation of that. Kind of like how you liked having your skills as a driver trainer validated. Now if they are not willing to accept correction, that is another issue.

She sounded like she really doesn’t like seeing people taking classes who seem to not really need them. Depending on the reason for that happening I don’t understand the problem. There are some who are ready and would like to take an intermediate or more advanced course but can’t due to no formal training. Many instructors and training institutions won’t let people sign up for more advanced training due to them not having any formal training. They have their prerequisites. Completely understandable but someone who managed to acquire the basic skills on their own really have no choice but to take beginning classes. They need to have their skill level formally validated if they want to continue their training. Yes, there are some, many perhaps, who just want to boost their egos, but there are some caught in the middle.

There are also those who repeat classes as a way to renew their skills. It sounded like she didn’t really like having them in her classes.

These are just some thoughts. I thoroughly enjoy your program and look forward to each episode. Your show, along with Doc Wessons’s “The Gun Nation” are the first two I check for new episodes.

Oh, what happened to Sticks? Did I miss something?

William Harvey

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Castle Rock, Colorado.

There is a rally scheduled for saturday, April fifth from 12 to 3pm.  See the Connecticut Citizens Defense League.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I do.  The ninth circuit rendered a decision a month ago.  The decision was not acted on by the San Diego Sheriff.  There have been four THOUSAND violent crimes in San Diego in that month.  Judges and Sheriffs fiddle while citizens bleed.  The post was up at Clash Daily and I put it up at Slow Facts this morning.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, Also give our friends over at Modern Rifleman Radio a listen!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 212 – Joe Kalil and Miguel Gonzalez

Stinger- You’re listening to the Polite Society Podcast.
Intro- Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society. This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded Sunday, February 16, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rob: I’m Rob, and on tonights show we interviewed Joe Kalil who is working on a program to arm and train Kentucky school teachers.
Paul: Rob also interviewed Miguel Gonzalez about violent riots in Venezuela where citizens are disarmed,so climb aboard
Rob:strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 212 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant
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Paul: A three judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Courts affirmed the right of law-abiding citizens to carry handguns for lawful protection in public.  The case was brought because  San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore had some very stringent requirement before he would grant a concealed carry license.  He required that each citizens demonstrate he faced a specific and immediate threat to his life or his application would be rejected.  Some judges agreed with him.  Some did not.

The trial court said the Sheriff knew best.  The Appeals Court said that citizens didn’t need concealed carry because they have open carry.  Then California outlawed Open Carry.

The 9th Circuit Court ruled that self-defense is sufficient cause to issue a license.  In a 2-1 opinion, the judges ruled that the Sheriff’s “good cause” provision violated the Second Amendment.  The district court has 14 days to render its reversal unless Sheriff Gore appeals the decision.

Rob: Of course those requirements don’t apply to lawyers in San Diego County.  Lawyers can get permits.  I’ve spoken with San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore.  I’ve heard him speak several times.  Each time he says he wants to issue CCW permits, but is blocked from doing so by state law.  Now we have hard legal evidence the Sheriff is wrong and that he can issue permits.  If he was telling the truth before, then this decision should be great news for Sheriff Gore.  We will see if he has been lying before and appeals the decision now.

I’ve heard conflicting reports on an appeal and I’ll hold my comments until I have solid news.

Paul: The state of Arizona could impose fines on cities and towns that enforce gun ordinances stricter than the state’s own laws. House Bill 2517, sponsored by Rep. Steve Smith, would impose a civil penalty of up to $5,000 on city and town governments that violate the statute. Smith said he wants the state “to have some teeth” in enforcing the law.  The legislature has repeatedly clarified its preemption over the regulation of both firearms and knives.  Arizona gun owners should call.

-Rob: In Idaho, Senator Marv Hagedorn wrote a bill that would punish law enforcement officials if they helped enforce any new federal firearms restrictions. The 2013 version passed in the Idaho House but died in an Idaho Senate Committee. This year Hagedorn is trying a different strategy by trying to get the bill passed in the Senate before heading to the Idaho House where the bill should have a better chance of passage.

-The Republican majority of the Idaho Senate State Affairs Committee overwhelmingly approved a measure which would allow citizens with Idaho’s enhanced carry license to carry concealed firearms onto public college campuses.  The bill has to go before the House and full Senate.  Some school administrators claimed blood would flow in the streets.. again.

-A vocal group of Indiana parents wants school employees to be able to carry a gun on campus.  Eight parents and community members spoke out to Twin Lakes school board members. They want school staff to be able to carry a concealed firearm on school grounds in order to protect the children in a time of need. However, the board heard a policy that would keep that from happening. The policy states that no school employee, volunteer, or school board member, even if they’re licensed in the state to carry a gun, should possess or handle one on school grounds.

That policy of unilateral disarmament is against the guidance of the best minds studying public violence.  Does the school board have any idea the liability they just assumed?

-Also in Indiana, should a sworn police officer be allowed to carry a gun on school property if he’s working there as a private citizen? A grounds keeper for Concord Community Schools says his status as an Elkhart County reserve officer means he can. But the Concord superintendent says that officer violated school policy and broke the law. On January 28, Rick Ball went into work at Concord. All of the corporation’s schools were closed because of weather, but as a grounds worker he still had to be there. That same day, Ball was involved in a car accident in a school vehicle and that’s when his boss found out Ball was carrying a gun. That supervisor reported the firearm to the school superintendent who met with Ball at the end of the week and told him he would either be fired or forced to resign.  As an Elkhart County Sheriff’s reserve deputy, Ball has a badge and gun and can arrest anyone at anytime. The only thing that makes him different from other deputies is the fact that he’s not paid for any of his service to the department – it’s all volunteer work.

This sounds like anti-gun bigotry to me.

It sounds like the school superintendent has too much time and money on his hands.

-Kansas gun owners would be able to carry a loaded handgun in cars regardless of whether they have a conceal-carry permit if a bill headed to the House floor becomes law. HB2473 would make gun laws uniform throughout the state by preventing local governments from enacting or enforcing regulations. The bill, sponsored by Rep. Jim Howell, R-Derby, passed without opposition in the Federal and State Affairs Committee on Wednesday. Rep. Michael Houser, R-Columbus, offered an amendment – which also passed without opposition – that would make it legal for all Kansans to carry a loaded handgun inside their automobiles. This treats a car as an extension of one’s home.

-Most were expecting an old-time argument with proponents and opponents facing off over New Hampshire House Bill 1589 to require background checks for all sales of firearms.  That never happened.  The House spent an hour-and-a-half in parliamentary maneuvering before finally killing the bill 242 to 118.

The vote wasn’t close.

-Athens County, Ohio Sheriff Pat Kelly made headlines a few weeks ago.  He refused to renew some current concealed handgun license-holders if the license holder had ever been arrested or charged.  The state Attorney General said that is a misapplication of Ohio law, but the Sheriff persists.  Now Sheriff Kelly has been indicted by a grand jury on 25 counts.  The Sheriff claims he is innocent of fraud and misuse of public funds, but by his own criteria, will he turn in his license to carry?

Laws for the Sheriff and different laws for us?

-Vets are being denied gun ownership.  Merely signing your financial affairs over to your spouse while you are deployed is now being used as cause for the VA to declare a veteran “incompetent”.  The VA sent out letters telling vets to turn in their guns and relinquish his 2nd Amendment Rights, or face going to prison.  Some vets have successfully appealed that decision to the FBI to have the unajudicated VA report of incompetence removed from their NICS file.

-The Connecticut Police are quite slow in arresting one of their own.  A Bridgeport police officer who accidentally shot himself in the leg in a crowded bagel shop has been arrested on a gun charge. State police said they charged 55-year-old Juan Santiago of Bridgeport with unlawful discharge of a firearm in connection with the Dec. 17 incident at the Bagel King on Main Street. Troopers say Santiago was sitting with three other Bridgeport officers when he mishandled a pistol that fired a shot [sic] through his left thigh. No one else was injured. Santiago was treated at a hospital. Local firearms owners protested the double standard of how a civilian would be charge with a negligent discharge versus a law enforcement officer.

Laws for them and laws for us?

-Reading, Writing and Firearms Responsibility- Knowing how to handle a gun is a vital part of being a responsible owner.. so a south Georgia technical college is working to make sure people buying guns know how to use them safely. The Southwest Georgia Technical College offers the NRA basic pistol course.  That course includes both classroom and range training for $70. The instructor says more women are signing up for the classes.

Rob: Compare this with Los Angeles area junior colleges where the NRA course was recently forbidden, and with Georgia that wants training to improve firearms safety.  Also note that Georgia does not require training to receive a carry license.

-“There are a lot of untrained people out there,” said former Riverton Police Captain and and gun safety instructor Mark Stone of Riverton, Wyoming. That’s a situation he would like to change.  Wyoming is now a “Constitutional Carry state so residents do not require training requirement to carry firearms or to receive a concealed carry license.  Captain Stone suggests training, and 60 to 65 percent of his students have been women.

I agree with Captain Stone.  Please get training.

-The Wyoming House advanced HB 111 to allow local school boards to permit teachers and other school workers who hold concealed carry permits to carry their guns at schools.

Representative Kendell Kroeker spoke against the bill. He co-sponsored another bill that would allow anyone who holds a concealed carry permit, not only school employees, to bring guns onto school and college campuses.

Toto, I don’t think we’re not in California any more.

-Wyoming is leading a coalition of 19 states asking the U.S. Supreme Court to let them submit a brief supporting a New Jersey man’s challenge to New Jersey’s concealed weapons law.

The Wyoming Attorney General’s Office, acting as lawyer for Wyoming and the other states, asked the Supreme Court to grant a hearing challenging a recent appeals court ruling.  The brief says Wyoming and the other states are concerned that if the appeals court ruling stands, it could threaten their less-restrictive concealed carry laws.

-An Anne Arundel County Maryland police spokesman said the police department is re-examining its weapons policy. Last week an officer’s car was broken into in front of his home.  The officer noticed a department issued Colt 223 rifle, a Sig Sauer SRT 40-caliber handgun, ammunition and a ballistic vest were missing.

Would you leave your weapons in your car overnight?

-Remington Arms said they are opening a new plant in Alabama.  The existing plant in Ilion (ill-e-on), NY would remain open, but with reduced staff.

I’ll buy Remington equipment again when they close their plants in New York.

Gun Quote of the day- “Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it’s not an individual right or that it’s too much of a public safety hazard, don’t see the danger in the big picture. They’re courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don’t like.” Professor Alan M. Dershowitz

#2 As I have stood in the crosshairs of those who target Second Amendment freedoms, I’ve realized that firearms are not the only issue. No, it’s much, much bigger than that. I’ve come to understand that a cultural war is raging across our land, in which, with Orwellian fervor, certain acceptable thoughts and speech are mandated. — Charlton Heston

We have two interviews for you.  We interviewed Joe Kalil who advocates arming teachers in Kentucky.  Joe is an airline pilot and wants to use the same stringent guidelines used when qualifying armed pilots in a program to arm teachers.  We first heard about Joe from a listener tip.  His site is POST Ky.com

We also interviewed Miguel Gonzalez about violent riots in Venezuela where citizens are disarmed.  The police shoot unarmed protesters and throw opposition politicians in jail.  Miguel is from Venezuela and writes the blog “Gun Free Zone”.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 4 DGUs
DGU- Houston Police Department Officer J. Johnson was just leaving the movies with his girlfriend, when a sedan pulled up next to them.  One of the the men in the car pointed a handgun at the couple. Officer Johnson drew his concealed firearm and fired several shots at the vehicle.  The vehicle was sped away, but turned up a short time later at an area hospital. Two of the three occupants of the car were treated for non life threatening gunshot wounds and the third person was taken into custody by police. All three suspects are charged with aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon.  The officer and his girlfriend were not harmed.

DGU- The owner of a Rocky Mount North Carolina convenience store shot and wounded one of three armed men who tried to rob his store.  Three men entered Mix Mart at about 9 p.m. Two of the men were armed with handguns while the third suspect attempted to rob the 43-year-old man.  The three suspects fled when the store owner drew his own handgun and fired.  Police soon found an 18 year old shooting victim and flew him to a nearby medical center where he is listed in critical condition.

DGU- Two men were trying to break into a Houston, Texas Smoke Box.  The store was closed, but the manager was still inside.  The manager retrieved a gun and confronted the suspects when he shot one of the suspects in the head.  The suspect was transported to Ben Taub Hospital and the other suspect was taken into custody.

DGU- This is from my friend Jennifer Cruz at the Gun Rights Examiner-
An attempted robbery Sunday morning in Lincolnville, South Carolina ended fatally for the suspect after the 76-year-old intended victim shot him with a .38 revolver.  Charles Petit was walking towards his car when he was confronted by 25-year-old Robert Deziel. It wasn’t the first time that Petit, a jewelry store owner, had been robbed.  Petit was knocked to the ground with Deziel on top of him while the younger Dezel attempted to shock him with a stun gun.  The 76-year old Petit drew his own gun.  Quote, “I shot about three times before I hit him because he had me on the ground trying to tase me.”  Police found the mugger lying on the front of the carport, where he was pronounced dead.

DGU- 28 year old Stephan Aceves (ACE-VEZZ) knocked on a stranger’s house in west Pasco, Washington around 2:30 Friday morning.  One of the occupants is a security guard at a nearby nuclear site.  He retrieved his firearm and shouted for the intruder to go away.  Acevez entered the front of the house and the occupant, fired several shots.  Police found Aceves dead in the front yard.  The guard lived at the home with his girlfriend and young children.

DGU- Neilsson Owens, 41, was shot and arrested after witnesses caught him red handed. Neilsson was caught stealing copper from an apartment complex after witnesses heard some racket coming from the basement.. twice.  they went back the second and found Owens trying to steal the copper. “One of the witnesses had a gun. They were in the process of escorting Owen from underneath the apartment complex and they were in the process of calling the police when Mr. Owens started a struggle and he reached for the gun and that’s when one of the witnesses shot him in the leg,” said Lt. McDuffie. http://fox10tv.com/2014/02/11/suspect-shot-caught-stealing-copper/

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Segment 5 Show close
Tips and tricks segment with Kathy Jackson.
Paul: We don’t have any specific emails to talk about this episode, but I do want to talk a little bit about some feedback I have gotten personally about my run for office.
Rob: You might compromise your methods, but not your principles.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.
Rob: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Paul: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here. The shooting portion of the class is full, but there are seats for the Mag 20 classroom still available.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new blog posts you want to mention?
Rob: I commented on the Ninth Circuit decision and Sheriff Gore at my SlowFacts blog

Rob: Please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. There is also going to be a giveaway in June for Bob’s S&W Shield. All members of the shooters club are automatically entered to win. By joining you do help our show.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and don’t forget Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Paul: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 162 – Ewok Down!

There is plenty of news and conversation in this one. Stace Nelson is interviewed, he is running for South Dakota’s senate seat next year. Eric Reed, president of Gun Rights Across America talks about a new event happening in October. And Paul, Sticks and Toby talk about a great number of happenings.

Episode 78b – Shot Show Day 2

This episode we have interviews with 3 different coordinators of the rallys in the states coming up. Also an interview with Jason White of the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series. Finally all 5 of us get together for a talk about our first experiences at Shot Show.