Episode 350 – Back From GRPC

 

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guests Tina Maldonado and Brittany Sutton

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

 

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to episode 350 of the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday October 11th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about the murders at Umpqua Community College .

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with

Tina Maldonado and Brittany Sutton about Texas students for concealed carry.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s  we talk about a Houston criminal that made a very poor choice in the victim selection process. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 350 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I carried at GRPC.  I had an additional adventure on the way home because I had a gun.  Here is a pro-tip for traveling with a gun.  Carrying a gun only adds a few minutes to your travel time at the airline counter, but it could add one problem.  You CAN NOT be late at the airport, not even by one minute, if you’re carrying a gun in your bag.  There are hard cut-off times for checking a bag before your flight.

 

You can’t dash to the gate and then check your bag as you walk down the boarding ramp.  We have to check our bags at the counter if we’re flying with a gun.    I missed my flights so I had to rent a car and drive the last hundred miles.

 

One of the highlights of the trip was to meet AWR Hawkins.  He has been writing a lot these days.  I also got to talk with Jim Irvine.  One of my disappointments was the people who did NOT go to GRPC.  Come on, guys.  Go to Tampa and stop making excuses.  Really, I lost respect for some people who didn’t go to the conference.

 

You know we have to shout out a thank you.  You know that, don’t you?  Guys?  Who do we owe a thank you?

 

I was on Mark Walter’s Armed American Radio and on Bill Frady’s Lock and Load Radio program a couple of times.  We have to tell them that we’ll hold a seat in the front row for them in Tampa.

 

I’ve also stopped carrying concealed in Louisiana.  I carried as a non-resident because I had nonresident reciprocity from my licenses in other states.  Those licenses are not valid for carry in Louisiana now that I’m a Louisiana resident.  I’m applying for my new permit and going unarmed.. unless I go to Texas, where I can carry again.  Don’t you all feel safer?!

 

I made room reservations for nra convention in May.

 

I have some training coming up.  I’ll be a line coach with Jeff and Robyn Street in Naples Florida on October 24th.  They are having a glock range day at the LouLand Gun Club.  The entry fee is $5, and they have loaner guns.  If you’re on the South West coast of Florida and are free on Saturday, October 24th, you should look into it.  Maybe you have a friend who talked about self-defense.  Look for glock range day at step by step gun training in Naples, Florida.

 

John – I spent yesterday morning at the local gun show working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth. We got a number of people to sign our petition saying no more gun control at the Federal level. It will be delivered to our US Senators and Congressmen. While at the show, I bought enough ammo that Hillary Clinton would say I need a license to purchase – if she had her way.

 

I have talked to a number of people about attending the next GRPC in Tampa including fellow GRNC volunteers. I think this past GRPC in Phoenix had to rank as one of the best. I talked to more activists than ever before from a number of states. I credit the podcast for this as I was more visible and people sought me out. The other thing I enjoyed about this GRPC is that I finally got to meet Gary and Rachel in person. It’s one thing meeting a person over the Internet, it is another to meet them in person.

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

We have a weekday evening ILFCCL class coming up October 19-22 it will be four evenings from 6-10pm.

I had to block a friend on Facebook for posting a name calling article to me. That really makes me sad, when someone reverts to name calling they are admitting they have lost the argument. Please try to avoid this in your conversations with the anti-gun crowd. This brings me to this post on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CourageCampaign/photos/a.164423892567.119987.7364882567/10153300704932568/?type=3 This is a post about the concealed carry school ban in California. The horrible things people are saying to each other, from both sides of the argument, are despicable. Please remember we are a polite society. Aside from that, someone posted “…no armed bystander has ever stopped a mass shooting. Ever.” and it got 8 thumbs up. There were also several posts about how a concealed carriers will just start wild west shoot outs with the bad guys and cause more carnage and kill innocents. I just want to say with no animus and only love in my heart, if you believe this you are flat out wrong.

 

I and most concealed carriers take carrying a self defense tool as seriously as most people do driving a car or surgeons do when operating on people. If you think me being in your proximity while I am carrying a concealed firearm puts you in more danger again you are just wrong.

 

Oh, yah GRPC…the water slide was awesome. Seriously, amazing, got to meet so many positive minded gun rights people that it recharged my energy to do whatever I can in my own small way to support gun rights. Take your time and watch all of the video that we recorded at GRPC, I promise something from the speakers or one of our exclusive interviews will make you say to yourself, “Wow, that was interesting or I hadn’t thought of that.” The listeners have been so helpful in the past I’m reaching out to them again. I have a student that is interested in switching to a shoulder holster for the winter and since it’s been over 20 years since I did bodyguard work and wore a shoulder holster under a suit I’m sure things have changed, so if anybody out there is currently using a shoulder holster please share your experiences with us at OnAir@PoliticsandGuns.com Sig P938

 

Paul – WOW what a GRPC in Phoenix. Had a great time while we were down there and an amazing trip back. Highlight of my time down there had to be Dave Workman giving us a little grief and then jumping on the mic after finding out we were on the air and coming through like a trooper. Also getting Alan Gottlieb (my personal hero in the gun rights arena) on the air.

Highlight of the trip down was a tie between meeting Laura Carno for lunch and taking US 160 just east of Pagosa Springs Colorado. Really experienced truckers that spend a lot of time in the west or southwest will know the reference to Wolf Creek Pass, made famous in the C.W. McCall song. It is a BEAUTIFUL drive… in a car… I can only imagine what a pain in the butt it is in a truck.

The Trip back was highlighted by a stop for breakfast at the Shooters Grill in Rifle colorado. A few things about this stop, first there isn’t any truck parking close by. the nearest truck parking is about a mile and a half away at a rest area.  Secondly the food is REALLY good. I was expecting that they were getting business off of the gimmick of the staff open carrying, but I was pleasantly surprised!  Yes, our waiter was open carrying (he carried an XD) and was super attentive to us. Another surprise about Rifle is that of the 3 cafe’s that were on Main street 2 were open for breakfast and of the 3, two had pro gun signage up. Also there were 2 ummm marijuana dispensaries and both had very clear no guns allowed signs.

 

Was on the GunBlog Variety Cast this past  week, thanks to Sean for asking me to come on and doing a masterful job of editing my ramblings. We talked GRPC and why more people should be there.

 

Break

 

Seg 2- News

 

UCC shooting

The members of the Polite Society Podcast would like to extend our sincere condolences to the family, friends and community of the nine victims off the Umpqua Community College tragedy. Trapped by madness and religious hatred and bigotry, the students and staff of UCC paid a fierce price in what the school administration had declared as a gun-free zone. Not even the school’s single security guard was allowed a firearm to preserve the fantasy of an unarmed oasis.  

Obama didn’t wait for the bleeding to stop before he rushed before his cameras. In twelve minutes of rambling petulence, he expressed his frustrations with his six years of gun-control failures. Referring to himself 28 times, much more than twice a minute, he personalized the gun-control debate, holding it as a personal affront that his desires had not been granted. He trotted out the usual non-sensical “common sense” demands, backed by discredited studies, half-truths and outright lies. And he pledged to politicize the tragedy even further and push the usual gun banner’s dreams – NONE of which would have prevented the murders.

Obama targeted a unnamed, sinister, shadowy organization that was wholly responsible for frustrating his whims. His willing minions in the media were quick to take up the boogeyman fallacy. More than a few people who should have known better responded and demanded that the NRA be labeled as a terrorist organization. No mention was made of the millions of people that actually make up, support and guide the NRA.

 

It’s hard to believe this latest divisive distraction from his collapsing presidency will go anywhere legislatively. The Congress is in relatively friendly hands, even if Boehner and McConnell roll over once more for old times sake. The danger is in Obama’s lawless and unConstitutional executive actions.  The one phone and pen action that has been floated will do absolutely nothing to affect violent crime, other than possibly criminalizing some wives for selling their late husband’s firearm collection.

What the Obama tantrum did is identify his desired end state for the gun “problem.”  He favors the British and Australian models of gun control. Have no doubt those models mean draconian bans on nearly every firearm in private hands, door to door confiscation, mass destruction, and the centralization of all arms and power in the hands of the government. This, Mr President, we will resist.  

It’s going to be a long, difficult wait until the Twentieth of January, 2017.  

 

Comments:  Okay – I’m outta here. The Princess is back.  Thanks again

How’s the tone for the above rant?  OK, Dan.

 

-john – I want to point out the killer passed background checks.

 

Paul -There were widespread protests in Roseburg, Oregon when the president came to visit.  Roseburg is a deeply red working class town.  The president and the media were widely resented as using the town’s tragedy for their personal profit.

 

Rob- I want to talk about gun control.  Oregon has mandatory firearms registration.  The murderer registered his firearms.  Oregon has mandatory background checks.  The murderer passed those background checks.  The school campus is restricted as a gun free zone, and honest students were disarmed as the murderer went to a gun-free zone.  Oregon is a gun control paradise, and the state is ranked 18th out of 50 by the Brady campaign because of its strict gun control laws.  Obama had to speak out quickly.  Not because he has a solution, but because his policies failed so miserably and he needed to distract the public from noticing his failure.

 

As to the news media, they have been horribly corrupt in their coverage.  Here is a thought experiment for you. Do you think the media would be chanting for more “gun-free zones” if the murderers we’ve seen this last year were attacking newsrooms rather than schools? I think the newsies would start carrying at work.  The CNN studios in New York had armed guards the day after the Charlie Hebdo murders in France. and they do today as well.  They have armed security every day.. yet they say we should put our children in disarmed schools.. and blame the National Rifle Association even though the NRA has begged for armed school guards.

 

Open comment- If gun free zones are such a good idea, then start with the White House.

 

-John – I will say that some Republican presidential candidates responded appropriately. I want to mention Bobby Jindal and Ben Carson in particular. Jindal asked where the father was and Carson asked why more people didn’t fight back.

 

Rob- Did you hear where 22 people were stabbed when a 16-year-old boy went on a  rampage.  It happened in Pennsylvania.. in a gun-free school zone.

 

Hate to the NRA

Top strategists in the Democrat party have decided this is the year to attack gun owners.  We’ve heard several outbursts from politicians condemning honorable gun owners and the National Rifle Association after this last public murder.

  • Hillary Clinton said “You know, the NRA’s position reminds me of negotiating with the Iranians or the Communists. You know there is no possible discussion and it’s for political purposes.”
  • President Obama asked America’s gun owners ..to think about whether your views are properly being represented by the organization that suggests it’s speaking for them.
  • Bernie Sanders said “we have got to come together on common sense approaches.. to ban semi-automatic assault weapons, guns which have no other purpose but to kill people.”
  • The Chicago Sun Times says every politician in washington should pass a law making it illegal to sell a gun online or at a gun show to anybody who is a convicted felon, repeat domestic abuser or seriously mentally ill.  How unreasonable would that be?

Obviously the Chicago Sun Times and leading democrats don’t know existing firearms laws that already make those transfers illegal.  They don’t know how mass murderers actually get their guns.. or they don’t care, because they only need to sell voters and advertisers, not solve a real problem.

 

Gary?  open comment-  The NRA is the only organization that gets blamed for things its members never do.

  • John – I don’t have a problem with neg. like the Iranians. They got the bomb and the USA got nada.

 

Rob- I called the NRA and asked them how NRA membership numbers look.  In particular, I asked the membership office in Fairfax, Virginia  if people were calling up and cancelling their memberships.  They aren’t.  The rate of new memberships and renewals is up, but they have noticed a particular surge in new lifetime memberships.  Life memberships are usually a thousand dollars, but the NRA runs a promotion at each annual meeting where they drop the rates.  You can become a life member, an endowment, patron or benefactor member.

 

A friend of mine in New York City is a photographer.  She doesn’t own a gun, but after hearing the progressive politicians dump hate gun owners and the NRA, she became a member.

 

John- Now your friend gets daily e-mails from Fairfax.   

 

CF- She doesn’t have to get them if she doesn’t want them. The NRA is EXTRAORDINARILY good about respecting their members desires. My Father bitched and moaned until I talked to the NRA for him. They immediately took him off all their mailing lists. This forced my Dad to find something else to bitch and moan about. 😉

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Do Non-Badged Citizens With Guns Ever Stop Mass Shootings?
In his televised fit only hours after the UCC murders, Obama dismissively asked if more guns actually reduce crime? Eugene Volokh, of the Volokh Conspiracy blog, answers definatively: Yes they do!

 

Professor Volokh cites ten times where a civilian with a gun stopped a mass shooting.  Of course, such instances are relatively rare, as the diseased mass killer usually chooses places where he will not be restrained in his sick fantasy. Areas like gun-free zones. As an example, the Aurora theater killer deliberately bypassed nine closer venues and choose a smaller movie house – because it was the one protected by a gun-free zone sign.   

It seems the only logical way to reduce these mass killings is to eliminate gun-free zones.   

 

Rob- I’ve written about this.  John has written about the failures of gun control.

Gary- Massad Ayoob has written about this. He references an article that talks about a dozen cases where a concealed carriers stopped mass shootings.  It is good to see other journalists weigh in.

 

-John – I love what Mas calls GFZs – hunting preserves for psychopaths.

 

Cuomo Throws an Anti-Gun Tantrum

Speaking of petulant tantrums, New York Governor Cuomo threw a beaut at the funeral of an ex-aide. His former aide and friend was shot at an early morning party in the Bronx. Instead of eulogizing his friend, the rabidly anti-gun Governor of New York City and Albany delivered a political anti-gun stump speech. He demanded the Democrats shut down the nation’s government until the gun control laws that are not working in New York are legislated nation-wide.   

 

We certainly agree with Cuomo’s demand to shut down the non-essential portions of the federal government. However, the laws that the citizens of his state are roundly ignoring are nothing we could tolerate under our Constitutionally guaranteed Rights. Better try again, Stumpy.    

 

Ronald Reagan Carried a Gun While President
Another President had very different ideas about personal gun possession and use. Brian Meltzer, author of the new book The President’s Shadow, reports that President Reagan carried a weapon in a bag or briefcase with him after the assassination attempt. A Secret Service agent revealed this info to Meltzer while he was researching the book.  

Looks like the nickname Ronnie Raygun was a little bit closer to the truth than his detractors would have hoped. Good on you, Mr. President!   

For any commentator: Sooooo, what gun do you think Reagan carried?  A 1911?  ;^)’  Old School Cool.  

 

Paul- I remember an old interview where RR stated that he saved a woman from an attack from his room by pointing an unloaded handgun at the perpetrator. It was widely thought of as a made up story until NPR (seriously!) tracked down the nurse who corroborated the story.

 

CF-Yep, a 45 Colt single action, if I remember correctly.  Definitely old school cool.

 

Felon Shoots and Paralyzes a Veteran Outside of St Louis Cardinal Stadium
This story strikes too close to home for one of our staff members. A 43 year old veteran celebrating his mother’s birthday at a St Louis Cardinals game was shot and paralyzed by a felon with a decades long rap sheet.

Chris Sanna and his girlfriend were walking back to their car after the Cardinals game when they were assaulted by two armed robbers. Despite giving the criminals everything they wanted, Sanna was shot in the back. The bullet punctured his liver and lung after destroying two vertebrae and his spinal cord. Doctors do not expect Sanna to walk again. There has been a recent spate of victims being shot after a robbery, perhaps related to the racial tensions in the city.  


Several days later, police arrested Kilwa Jones for the assault. Jones was already in jail for beating the mother of his two children. Police found video of Jones using Sanna’s credit cards. They’ve also recovered a 9mm Hi-Point from the career criminal’s car.


The Cardinals do not allow any weapons in their stadium; that includes knives and pepper spray. They do back up their policy with metal detectors, but that works only inside the stadium walls. Fans must walk the downtown streets to get to get to their cars. The fans are known to be weaponless – and very attractive to criminals. From personal observation, city police and security guards are largely absent from the streets after the games.  Fans disarmed – and abandoned – Cardinals games will be few and far between.      

 

Rob- Gun free zone.  fugitive from justice.  Tell me again how the state will protect us from thugs.

 

Governor Brown Vetoes SB347
It’s a sad commentary on the state when “Flaky Jerry” Brown, Governor Moonbeam of California, is one of the more rational political voices.

 

Senate Bill 347, authored by Senator Hannah Beth Jackson, a member of the Barking Moonbat Caucus, would have eliminated Second Amendment rights for some minor firearm-related misdemeanors. For example, possession of a single round of ammunition on school grounds could have cost a citizen their firearm rights for ten years. Brown vetoed this bill and eight others, stating; “Each of these bills creates a new crime — usually by finding a novel way to characterize and criminalize conduct that is already proscribed …without commensurate benefit.”

 

Congratulations Governor Brown, for bringing a small amount of common sense to California.

 

Unfortunately, sanity was apparently only a fleeting acquaintance, as Jerry has signed Senate Bill 707. The bill, despite the experience of the UCC murders, prohibits licensed, law-abiding CCW holders from carrying firearms on school property. The law further criminalizes the simple possession of ammunition on campus, even without the firearm. Apparently, the politicians decided to Gun-Free Zone HARDER!

 

Rob- This is more of the culture war on gun owners in California.  So the inadvertent possession of ammunition on school grounds was vetoed in one bill and then passed in the next bill.  The democrat politicians of California are abusing gun owners while they build another school shooting.  The California Attorney General said the legislature should show autopsy photographs of the murdered students in order to pass more gun laws.  I like that.  I want to show the pictures of the murdered students to show how their gun free school zones failed again and again.

 

John – I think Gov. Brown is trying to split the baby. He vetoes one anti-rights bill and then signs another. It doesn’t work that way. You are either pro-rights or anti-rights. There is really no in-between. The fact that SB 707 creates a privileged class – retired LEO – is wrong.

 

Professor leaves Texas for Australia

Here is a lighthearted take on the very somber subject of guns on campus.  MIssouri and Texas passed laws allowing carry on campus.  A local campus denied its staff the right to carry.  In similar situations, some professors have written articles saying students are at a greater risk once licensed concealed carriers are disarmed.  One law school professor at the University of Missouri is suing the school for a civil rights violation by denying him the right to carry. A business professor at Purdue in Indiana is also fighting for that same right.

 

John- William A. Jacobson is a clinical professor of law at Cornell Law School.  He also blogs at the Legal Insurrection website, and he came out against gun-free schools.

 

In contrast, one professor at the University of Texas at Austin said he will leave Texas and go to Australia to teach because of Texas carry laws.  Another 390 faculty members from UT said they would not allow students with CHLs to carry in their classrooms.  Given that few of their students are over 21, that is a hollow threat.

 

John- They could be 18 if they were in the military.

John –

 

Susan- Rachel had this to say about her fellow texans.

Maybe all the anti-gun professors will leave and get replaced by a friendlier faculty.

I hoped that someone who has the credentials and education to be a professor would understand some basic logic, including but not limited to the following points:

-We’ve already had campus carry for almost 2 decades, just not inside the school buildings

-this new law does not allow 18 year old freshmen to have any more access to guns, nor does it permit them to use guns to murder professors

-someone intent on shooting a professor out of anger is not super likely to go to the trouble, expense, and time of obtaining a chl.

Unfortunately, UT Austin professors are baffled by such simple arguments.

 

Rob- Most of these professors are elitists.  A university president with either conviction or bravery would accept their resignation and say good riddance.  If you’re carrying in class, it is not a sin to tell a lie to someone who does not deserve to know the truth.

 

Gun Quotes- Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.  Martin Luther King, Jr.  I would add, do you love your family and community enough to protect them?

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Campus Carry in Texas

Campus Carry goes into effect on August 1. It will allow CHL holders to carry concealed inside buildings on campus. Schools in Texas are currently deciding what their policies will be, since they are allowed to restrict carry in areas of their choosing. Our activists are speaking up to try to prevent carry restrictions.

 

Guests:

Tina Maldonado, UT staff member and chapter facilitator of A Girl & A Gun

Brittany Sutton, student leader of Texas A&M Students for Concealed Carry on Campus

 

Action items:

  1. UT-Austin is conducting a survey. Please share it with your people who are connected to UT and ask them to fill it out. This includes students, staff, faculty, and also anybody in the community. Link: https://utexas.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9QrRbfdWtcjk0Bf
  2. Everybody in Texas knows somebody connected to A&M. Find those pro-gun students and tell them to join the facebook group Texas A&M Students for Concealed Carry on Campus. There will be public forums – make sure they go and speak up. Link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/tamusccc/
  3. Befriend a college student and take him or her shooting.

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Houston Deputy Shoots Home Invader

A Houston, Texas criminal made a very poor choice in the victim selection process. Behind Door #1 stood a Harris County Deputy Sheriff and his duty weapon. When his door was kicked down and the invader rushed into his home, the deputy fired. The suspect fled in a car likely driven by a second suspect. Because blood was found in the hallway, it is almost certain the Deputy wounded the invader. Area hospitals have been alerted to watch for a black male with a gunshot wound.


We note that the Deputy was in the same desperate situation that many normal homeowners are finding themselves. He relied on his weapon to save his life, as many of the other homeowners have done – and will do in the future. That’s certainly a common sense reason to own a firearm.  

 

Three Against One Turns Out Poorly For Home Invaders

A homeowner turned the tables on three home invaders – through the use of a firearm.  A Dallas-Fort Worth homeowner found himself under attack by three invaders. Their robbery and assault was going as planned until the homeowner was able to grab a gun. Neighbors heard the five shots that hit all three invaders. The criminals ran from the house and escaped in a car driven by an accomplice. The driver abandoned the car at an intersection, and the three wounded robbers were arrested and taken to a hospital. The feckless fourth remains at large.

 

Rob- Point shooting was taught at an NRA safety class.

John- look for one handed point shooting Col. Rex Applegate.

 

Husband Shoots From Behind a Robber
As they say: Location, Location, Location. An elderly Indianapolis couple is together today because the husband used the advantages of position, stealth and a firearm to stop a deadly attack.

The 75-year-old woman was at their property rental office when she found herself under the gun of a 27-year-old attacker. Her husband heard the commotion from the front office, entered the room from behind the attacker and saw the gun pointed at his wife’s head. The man describes his fear for her life and shooting into the robber’s back. When the criminal got up and pointed his gun again, the elderly man fired twice more. Those shots struck the thief in the head. The attacker is in critical condition in a local hospital. He has a long rap sheet with several outstanding warrants for his arrest.

 

Police will not charge the elderly man. A spokesman stated that if someone comes into your home and you’re in imminent fear of danger for your life, you have a right to protect yourself.

In such a deadly situation, an armed citizen is under no obligation to warn the attacker, nor chivalrously face him. The elderly man was completely justified in shooting the attacker in the back without warning. He rightly used every advantage he had in that deadly situation.

 

However, most firearm instructors advise to shoot until the threat stops. Allowing the criminal to regain his feet and point the gun again is not a good strategy. Many self defense instructors also believe that with a finger on the gun’s trigger, a central nervous system hit is best. For immediate incapacitation, without the reflexive tightening of the trigger finger, a shot to the brainstem, the medulla oblongata, is recommended. However, the citizen must be able to make the shot to a racquet ball sized target at the base of the brain. Education, training and practice are a must.  

This episode is just one more common sense reason to have a gun — and to know how to use it.  

 

Rob-

 

Another Craigslist Ambush

Police say at least two criminals were shot after a Craigslist ambush was foiled by an intended victim.
A father and son from Grand Rapids drove into Battle Creek, Michigan to buy a car. When they arrived, they were jumped by three robbers. The son, a concealed carry license holder, fired twice, hitting two of the alleged attackers. The third criminal is still on the loose. Because of the son’s action, neither father nor son were injured.  

 

It should come as no surprise that people with cash or valuables meeting anonymous strangers at an unfamiliar location are in a risky situation. Buyers and sellers should both take precautions. Many police departments are setting up Craigslist Transaction Zones outside of their stations. We urge our listeners to stay careful, observant, and prepared.     

 

Don’t Torque Off The Old Guy

“I wanted to shoot him really bad. I really wanted to shoot him”; said Old Guy Robert Hamm, who had his 10 AM nap interrupted by a man carrying an armful of his tools. “I just pointed the gun at him and told him I’d blow him in two if he moved.” The very expressive Old Guy made the thief lie on the floor until the Carter County, Kentucky Sheriff’s Department arrived. Hamm said he’d known the suspect from birth and he has a reputation for this sort of thing.

Unfortunately, the 75-year-old might get his shot, as the home-invader is still at large. The suspect was so intoxicated from pills and booze that he was taken to a hospital to detox. A day or so later, the thief checked himself out of the hospital — and disappeared. Hamm felt it’s inexcusable that a man who broke into his home carrying a knife was given a chance to walk away. “It made me madder than hell.” The Old Guy had predicted the legal system would let the burglar off lightly. “I’ve seen where they’ve turned people loose who’ve done it four or five times,” he said. Officials say the burglar could be held in contempt of court (ooooo!) since he didn’t turn himself in.

Hamm’s not overly concerned about a return visit. The Old Guy said, “I wish he would. I would finish the job.” The thief should know that you just Don’t Torque-Off The Old Guys. And you certainly don’t interrupt their naps.  

 

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Segment 5 Show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Email #1

Subject: Guns in the cold

 

Apologies for the delay in sending this in. You had a guest on recently discussing the effects of extreme cold on the functioning of semiautomatic weapons. Immediately it made me remember the exploits of my “cousins” back in Finland during the Winter War with Russia at the outset of WW2. The winter of 39 was one of the coldest on record, so cold that the Baltic Sea froze ships in place. The Finns had to change how they handled the cleaning of their guns, adding gasoline to their gun oil for their rifles,  mainly Mosin Nagants.  For automatics and their artillery they used a mix of alcohol and glycerine to avoid the freeze. I’ll attach an image from William Trotters book Frozen Hell (an amazing read FYI).

 

As a side note, this would have been the practice of Simo Hyha during the war. Hyha is by far the highest numbered sniper in World history, especially confounding when you consider the short time span of his engagement. Also his weapon of choice was an iron sighted Mosin, scopes raised his head too high.

 

Love the show, keep it up.

 

Aaron

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Email from Bud with the Subject line Crazy Gun Studies

 

I happen to run across this interview today and couldn’t believe what this professor was stating.  I immediately posted it on Facebook, with a detailed overview and the links, to show to my pro-rights friends and followers.  I couldn’t locate it on Facebook, so I reposted it later in the day.  I think that I will post it daily and in different areas of Facebook and other social media sites to ensure that it is seen by many.

 

Here is my posting

 

Is anyone buying what this “Professor” is selling when it comes to CHL’s, guns and crime rates?  “There isn’t any correlation between concealed handgun license holders and crime” according to the professor and his colleagues at Texas A&M.   He also describes how they collected and formulated their data, which is drastically different than normal research performed by others.  You can listen to a short interview that the professor gave on Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at http://dfw.cbslocal.com/audio/minute-with-mitch.

 

Texas A&M Regents Professor Emeritus Dr. Charles Phillips states that he was not surprised by their findings.  He said a couple of things during this short interview that leads me to believe that he has an agenda in obtaining his results.  One is he states that “according to the NRA, if you don’t carry a weapon, you are a CHUMP”.  And secondly, “the NRA’s definition of a victim is someone who doesn’t own a gun.”  I’ve never heard anyone from the NRA state this and I’ve never seen it written on their website.  Maybe the Dr. can point this out or provide a link where I can find this information?

 

He states that their research shows that the number of CHL holders in Texas counties has a direct correlation with the number of firearm dealers in that county, but nothing due to crime rates.  CHL holders are very seldom convicted of crimes, but when they do happen they are big time serious crimes. He references previous studies that he or Texas A&M have done named “When CHL Holders Break Bad”.   In these studies they found:

  • There are very few convictions or occurrences of crimes by CHL holders
  • They are violent crimes
  • A firearm is usually involved
  • There is a death

 

He also states that “easy access to a means of deadly force means that it is likely to be used.”

 

Dr. Phillips cites 3 recent studies conducted by the American Journal of Public Health which conclude that more guns (he doesn’t state whether legal or illegal, and I have not read them yet) equal:

  • More police officers are killed
  • Higher rates of young male suicides
  • Guns are more likely to be used by, or on, another occupant of the home, rather than to protect you from an outsider or stranger (criminal).

 

The Dr. provides the following advice – “If you are thinking of buying a firearm for home defense, consider the following:

  • Guns in households are dangerous
  • It is more likely that GUN suicides will occur
  • Don’t believe that you are going to save yourself from, or during, a criminal encounter.”

 

Just for the record, I am biased on gun ownership, CHL holders and I’m a lifetime member of the NRA.

 

I hope that you guys can create a research topic on firearm studies and results in a near future podcast.  I would really like to hear someone have Dr. Phillips on their show to challenge him on his research tactics and conclusions. Maybe having Dr. John Lott on the show to discuss specific issues with the way that studies such as this one is slanted for certain results would also be very enlightening?  We all hear of different studies, with major differences in their results and are often left wondering who is right.

 

Keep up the good work on the Polite Society podcast.  I look forward to listening to it each week and I have even gone back and listened to the older podcasts to hear topics of the times and the fine DGU stories.

 

Thank you,

Bud

 

-John – Believe or not, I actually know Charles Phillips. Or did. He was an asst prof of political science at UNC-Chapel Hill when I was in grad school. He got there in about 1981 and left in 1987 when he didn’t get tenure. He was one of the young liberal professors. I didn’t know he had become a prof of public health.

 

Rob- I’ve read the studies.  They count a criminal bringing a gun on your property as if it was your gun… and therefore you had a gun on premises.

 

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Jacob emailed us a video of a hero who stepped in and ended up losing his life trying to help rescue a woman being threatened by a man with a gun

 

http://higherperspectives.com/homeless-man/?utm_source=cleo&utm_content=inf_10_34_2&ts_pid=2

 

This guy is a hero. Full stop. He made a risky move when he saw an opportunity, and it could have turned out very poorly, but I find it hard to fault a man who is so clearly willing to give his life for a stranger. He gets shot, mortally wounded, and continues fighting to subdue the attacker and save the victim. I hesitate to call him a victim in return, because I doubt he would want that – I think he knew the trade he was making and went in knowing he might not come out. I think it really drives home what Paul always says – weapons and tactical advantages might make defending yourself easier, but the fight is never over as long as you’re conscious and willing to fight back.

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William also emailed us.

 

Greetings All,

I’d sent this weeks ago but I am a world class master procrastinator. I’ll reference several shows.

You had referenced the wonderful NY trigger and kind of equated it to that of a double action revolver.

While that can be true it really depends on the revolver, specially the time frame of it’s design and build. My wife has an old Webley revolver made back in the early 1900’s. It was carried by her grandfather who served as a sheriff somewhere in West Texas. We don’t shoot it but the trigger pull is such that I’m tempted to use two fingers when I play with it. (Not very often due to its on hammer firing pin.) I suspect that is very close to the NY trigger. I hear the new S&W J-frames are as bad but haven’t pulled the trigger on one to see. On the other hand the K-frames made back in the 50’s and 60’s when the police were using them were very nice. Maybe 7 to 8 pounds, smooth and were a joy to shoot, if you used proper trigger technique. Still kicking myself for selling one that I had. And while python’s stack a bit differently I’ve heard few complaints about their triggers.

Next topic. Several time you, and those on other podcasts, seem to make a distinction between the police and civilians. Unless a police officer is also a member of the military they are also civilians. While that is nitpicking word usage we really need to be careful as those opposed to our views will use anything they can against us. Perhaps “private citizen” would be a better term to use for distinction.

Last topic for this email is the apparent misconception with regard to using a gun to protect property in Texas. In spite of what has been said Texans can no more use guns just to protect property than anyone else. We do however have a bit more leeway. As it was explained to me back when I took a concealed carry class in the 90’s. The teacher was a police officer and what he said summarized and in my words.

If I see someone in my workshop I can go out and confront him. However unless he has a weapon, picks up something to use as such, or makes a furtive movement I can’t just shoot him. I can however have a gun in my hand. At night things are a bit different because I can’t see as well. Does he have a weapon I’m not seeing? What during the day time might look innocent might look like a dangerous furtive motion at night. Is someone else hiding in the darkness. It all comes down to whether we think we are in mortal danger.

>From past episodes I know you will say that you shouldn’t go out and confront them. While that may be true it is a personal decision and realize that when people live in rural areas things are a bit different. That 911 call which may take 10 long minutes in town can take hours in the country. The last time I needed an officer’s assistance they had to patch me through to the responding officer so I could talk him in. Couldn’t find the place.

Either way, I for one, don’t want to just sit and watch while someone carries off all my stuff. I guess it boils down to the feeling that if something is worth having it is worth fighting for. It is a decision I’d just have to make at the time and the situation. If there is a team, they can take what they want. My life isn’t worth the risk.

 

Is a human life worth my table saw? I don’t know. Is the bad guy really human or a predatory animal? While legally human you have to wonder what will he do on his next job? I think we all would do what was necessary to stop him if he was stealing a firearm. It’s a very complex issue with lots of what ifs.

Enjoy your show. Keep up the good work or I’ll cut what I pay for your show. 8->

William

 

Rob- badged and unbadged civilians

Gary-

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I posted the links to the Gun Rights Policy Conference along with a list of the speakers.  I did that for each of the three segments we recorded.  I also wrote up a review of the conference.

 

After the recent murders in Oregon, we’ve heard the howls for more gun control.  The politicians and news media got me thinking, and I asked myself if gun control works.  We know it doesn’t work in schools, but I wondered if I was missing something, so I looked at the data from each of the 50 states.  I put the states in order based on their level of gun control, and then looked at the FBI data for the crime rates in each state.  I printed the data out as a graph so anyone can see it.  After looking at the results, I can say that gun control does not reduce violent crime.  The article is called “Does Gun Control Work”  I’ve seen several other authors write similar articles, so it is a good time to study that question.

 

This may sound simplistic to our long time listeners, but most people have not studied these issues at all.  They think violent crime has increased when violent crime has fallen since the early 1990s.  I want to thank our listeners for reading past the headlines and staying informed.

 

In another article I said gun-free zones and fatherless boys are killing us.  That was in the article called Liberal Politicians Blinded by Feel-Good Policy on Guns.

 

My articles are up at Ammoland and Clash Daily.  After the shooting in Oregon, I noticed I had 55 entries in my category called Public Violence.  You can find all of them on my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I’ve done a number of posts since GRPC but this is one I want to highlight. Dr. Carson said that if the Jews had not been disarmed it could have made a difference with regard to the Holocaust. He was correct and the mainstream media piled on trying to discredit his statements. They are trying to make out like he is a kook and trigger happy. Frankly, they are afraid of the truth. One need only listen to our friends in JPFO and read the writings of Stephen Halbrook to know that.

 

I will have an important post coming out on the 15th. It will be called Every Picture Tells A Story, Part 3. It will be in honor of Maine going live with Constitutional Carry on that day. It graphically shows the growth of freedom from 1986 through 2014.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 346 – Bloomberg for President?

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

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Cornered Cat Quick Tips Segment: 

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

 

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday August 30th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Kelly : I’m Kelly Lynn from the New Shooter Canada Podcast, and since Rob is still working on his move this week I am stepping in to help co-host..

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have good news about carrying knives in Texas.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Virginia on air killings

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a fast food worker defends himself while working the drive thru, so climb aboard

Kelly: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 346 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rachel- Went to my local A Girl & A Gun chapter girl’s night out – shot my Glock, gave new shooter instructional, and coached shooters. Signed up for GRPC range day. Running and working out to get ready for the Pecos Run N Gun.

 

John – I spent yesterday morning and part of the afternoon at the Greensboro, NC gun show. It was the biggest gun show I’ve been to unless you count the SHOT Show or NRA Annual Meeting. When we got there the line for time had about 35-50 people in it! The show itself was a good mixture of the old and the new with some junk thrown in. For every 2 ARs, I saw one Colt Python. I also – and please don’t tell Mike Bloomberg this – engaged in a private transaction that was in full compliance with NC law. A nice Ruger Security-Six – the predecessor of the GP-100 revolver – came home with me. I think it probably spent most of its life in a holster. The barrel was clean except for some cobwebs!

 

Throw to Kelly here

John – Kelly, I have a question re Appleseed

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

 

Paul says-  Rob made it to Louisiana, and a big moving truck is in front of his house right now.  He got to visit with friends on his drive east.  He had dinner with Charles Heller in Tucson, Arizona.  He also visited with Ben Branam and John Edeen in San Antonio, Texas.  Anyone who thinks the US is crowded has not driven US Highway 10 from Tucson to San Antonio.  Rob is writing about gun owners who “don’t want to be on a list”.  He has an internet connection in his new house, so he should be on next week’s podcast.

 

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

Seg 2- News

 

Two Journalists Killed On-Air

Two Roanoke, Virginia TV journalists were killed on-air by a deeply disturbed former coworker. The killer then posted his own video of the shooting to Twitter and Facebook and faxed a 23 page rant to ABC News before killing himself several hours later.  Per our longstanding principles, we will not broadcast the killer’s name, nor sensationalize his so-called reasons. We do express our sincere condolences to the friends and families of the victims of this senseless attack.  

The killer was still at large when politicians and activists elbowed their way onto the airwaves and social media. Candidates Clinton and O’Malley were quick to focus on the gun, as was the White House. Without even a significant fraction of the facts, they recited the usual half-truths, spin and nonsensical “common-sense” demands. Of course, Bloomberg’s minions were not far behind. Many remarked on how extraordinarily quick the anti-gun response was. Universally, the gun was the thing demonized.  

 

However, it’s the chattering class and the media that are very likely the real reason for this tragedy. This attack was the direct spawn of the media’s obsessive fascination with mass killings and the killers. The attack was designed from the start to get the attention the killer longed for. He wanted to ensure a stage for his beliefs, his perceived wrongs and himself. The killer brought his own body camera, stalked the news team, waited until they were on-air, then delayed his attack until the perfect moment when the news camera returned to the reporter. It is the stuff of cold, calculated madness — and showmanship. The killer – and the media – got what they wanted.  

 

Now, the pro-rights community must once again defend itself and it’s Constitutional Rights. It’s again time to stand up, to refute the lies and half-truths, and to actively support those that support them.  The law-abiding, the rational, the sane, will be facing a flood of the usual, emotion-driven, nonsensical attempts to limit their freedoms with a host of ultimately ineffective laws.  

 

Related to this story, Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke was on the Fox news Hannity show the day after the shooting, after President Obama renewed his calls for more gun control. Sheriff Clarke had the following quote. “Here’s my challenge to the president of the United States, You think this is so easy? Forego your Secret Service protection for you, for the first lady and your children, and see what it’s like to have to defend yourself, And then we’ll sit down and have a conversation so you know what we here at ground level have to deal with on a daily base in terms of self-defense.”

 

[Our commentators may want to remark that the media is having a rough time – as the shooter was a black, gay, progressive, anti-gun, disaffected, Obama supporting racist – leading them to focus almost  exclusively on the gun and anti-gunners. He passed the background check. He apparently would not have used all the rounds in a limited 10 round magazine. Most of the anti’s demands would have made ZERO change to this atrocity.

 

This is an extremely important story – if anyone has any suggestions how the article or the one beneath can be improved – please sing out! ]   

John – The reason we didn’t hear about the killer as much as the gun was that he didn’t fit the usual constructs. He was a gay African-American man which meant he was sacrosanct.

Rachel

John – It got a lot of press because of two facts- video and they were journalists.

 

Paroled Violent Repeat Felon Kills 9 Year Old

Just how effective gun laws can – or can’t – be is shown in the tragic death of Jamyla Bolden. The precocious 9 year-old was killed in her mother’s Ferguson, Missouri bedroom while doing homework. The murderer that fired into Jamyla’s house had a significant felony record, including weapons violations. Despite his prior arrests and convictions, he was free to roam the streets. Months before, he had been convicted of an armed drug robbery and was sentenced to 10 years in prison. But the judge commuted his sentence to just 5 years of probation, sending him back into the public once more. And a beautiful, intelligent, vibrant little girl was laid to rest this Saturday as a direct result.  

The Pro-Rights community often points out that gun laws only affect the law-abiding; criminals naturally operate outside those laws. However, laws are especially ineffective when the authorities choose not to enforce those laws. For reasons of ease, expense, misguided compassion or the desire to hide uncomfortable demographic truths, the prevalent “Catch and Release” philosophy is tearing at our society’s perception of justice. And it’s  just one more reason why we must stay armed and alert.  We. Are. On. Our. Own.  (Michael Bane)

 

Break

 

Texas Knife Law Preemption Goes Into Effect Sept 1

 

We on the podcast have often criticized the knife laws and policies of certain Texas cities such as San Antonio. That all changes on September 1st when Texas HB 905 goes into effect. It is legislated state knife law preemption such that no county or municipality can have a knife law more restrictive than state law.

 

The immediate impact is that it invalidates the knife ordinances in Corpus Christi and San Antonio. These two cities made Knife Rights Worst 10 list for the knife ordinances. Moreover, the 2013 Texas law change allowing automatic or switchblade knives will now be effective throughout the state. Knife Rights and its volunteers are combing city and county ordinances searching for locales whose ordinances are now invalid.

 

John – Knife law preemption like state gun law preemption should be the rule in all states. Unfortunately, it isn’t.

Gary – Illinois State Senator Tim Bevins has introduced legislation, SB 711, that would legalize switchblade (automatic) knives for anyone who holds an Illinois concealed carry license, as well as for peace officers. It includes legalization to manufacture and sell to these individuals. – See more at: http://www.kniferights.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=304#sthash.AHvJhTgs.dpuf

Rachel- believe it or not, it took multiple sessions to get this passed

John – I’d like to say this about switchblade bans – it was the result of politicians seeing West Side Story.

^^^YES!!!!

Seattle gets hit with lawsuit

 

A hat tip to Bob Owens over at bearingarms.com, it’s not like no one warned Seattle that this would happen. Before Seattle Mayor Ed Murray signed the seattle gun and ammo tax into law, The National Shooting Sports Foundation warned him that they would sue the city should he actually sign the ordinance. Well he did, and they did. Actually the NSSF teamed up with the NRA, the SAF, and 2 local gun stores as well as 2 private citizens to file the lawsuit. The attorneys that are representing the plaintiffs are the same ones that won a 2009 suit that required Seattle to follow state preemption law.  

 

Paul – I don’t know about anyone else, but I really would not want to fight the SAF, the NRA, the NSSF and others all rolled into one. There is a LOT of legal muscle coming to bear here.

 

John – I’d like to also note the historical significance of this. This lawsuit marks the FIRST time that the SAF, NRA, and NSSF have all been party to the same lawsuit.

 

Mike Bloomberg for President?

 

Media mogul Rupert Murdoch seeing the success of Donald Trump is trying to start a Draft Bloomberg for President movement. He made this suggestion in a tweet after the large stock market decline on Monday. He said it was time for Bloomberg to step into the ring and referred to him as the “greatest mayor.”

 

John – As I titled my blog post on this, Not only no but hell no.

 

comment – Can you imagine what this nasty little fascist as Michael Bane calls him would do to not only gun rights but all rights?

 

Gun Quotes

Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon — so long as there is no answer to it — gives claws to the weak. — George Orwell

 

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Segment 3 Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat Quick Tips

 

Segment 4 DGUs

Domestic Violence Victim Shoots Attacker
We’ve covered the tragedy of New Jersey resident Carol Bowne, who died waiting for permission to buy a handgun to defend her life. In this story, we see the difference a gun can make in a domestic violence case.   

Early in the morning, a domestic dispute degraded into violence. Police received a 911 call involving a domestic dispute with the suspect armed with a gun. During the domestic incident the man choked the victim. As the victim escaped, two gunshots were fired striking the man twice. Enterprise police arrived to hear multiple gunshots from inside the home.

A police spokesman said the victim suffered minor injuries. He said the alleged assailant remained hospitalized as of mid Thursday morning. He will be officially arrested when released from the hospital.

Armed Robber Approaches Two Men, Demands Wallets, Gets Killed
After watching a Tennessee Titans football game, two men were standing outside a Nashville house when a SUV stopped in front. Several armed men got out and demanding the friend’s belongings.

While one thief was taking the keys and getting into to a victim’s car, he saw the homeowner drawing his own gun. The thief opened fire and the homeowner shot back, hitting the criminal.  22-year-old Clarence Goins went to his reward in the Nashville street. HIs accomplices fled in the white Jeep Cherokee. Nashville Metro Police said that both victims waited at the scene and cooperated with officers when they arrived.

Our takeaway: even when you’ve just enjoyed watching your team beat the hapless St Louis Rams, criminals can attack. Stay armed – stay aware.  

 

Home Invasion Lands A Criminal in the Hospital
Another Tennessee homeowner answered a 2:10 am knock on his door. He naturally found three armed men on his stoop. In that touching tablou, everyone began shooting.

The three suspects fled on foot. A short time later, a Mr. Dre’An Whitherspoon entered an Emergency Room with a bullet wound. Dre’An remains in the hospital in stable condition.  Springfield Police Chief David Thompson, believes Whitherspoon was one of the three men involved in the robbery and since they have retrieved the bullet, a ballistics test should confirm he was shot by the victim.

Five people (including a 7-year-old child) were in the home during the robbery but no one in the home was injured. Police believe there is a ring targeting local Hispanics. It is not likely that the victim will face any charges,

Paul – Please, dear listeners, NEVER open the door to someone you do not know or expect. But at 2:10 in the morning — JUST DON’T!

 

Rachel

 

John – This also shows that criminals are targeting communities that they don’t think will fight back.

 

Fast Food Worker Uses Gun To Ask If There’ll Be Anything More?
In Canton, Ohio, a drive thru worker pulled his own gun when threatened by two armed suspects. The two drove off quickly with the clerk’s response to their order. The suspects, who police did not provide a description for, are wanted for attempted aggravated robbery. The police report did not indicate if they got fries with that.  

Kelly – Canadian perspective re: Home Defence

Gary –

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

The 1st email is from Peter in Virginia

 

Hi folks,  When/how do you transition from teaching kids Stop, don’t touch, tell an adult and leave the area to the four rules?

My oldest, who turns 5 on Monday, has recently shown a big interest in guns. She got the Eddie Eagle spiel at preschool this past year (I think it was when they had a fireman come in and talk to her class) and we’ve been reinforcing it constantly, whenever she brings up guns.

I finally showed her my collection tonight, after another Eddie Eagle reinforcement, and another couple in the middle and end. I just showed her what each of them was, a little about how they worked, and how to hold/shoulder them. I don’t have a cricket or anything, so she couldn’t really hold any of them, but I let her look through the scope of my Ruger 77-22, which was my first rifle around 30 years ago. She already has a thing for “spotting scopes”, brought on, I think, from cartoons, so she was fascinated. Then Mommy walked in the room and she said, “I want to look at Mommy through the spotting scope”.

Well, that’s pretty much the impetus for the email. We told her, basically, Rule 2, then reinforced the Eddie Eagle thing again, and told her not to tell her friends (which won’t happen, but at least she’s not in school yet, so she may have time to forget before then, and certainly can’t say “I played with Daddy’s guns last night”.)

My current thoughts are:

  1.      Reinforce Eddie Eagle every time she brings up guns.
  2.      Make her tell me the Eddie Eagle rules, without prompting, before getting to see them again.
  3.      When I show her, teach her Rule 2, and reinforce beforehand, and if necessary during.
  4.      She doesn’t get the mechanisms yet, so rule 1 and 3 are over her head, but once she gets what the trigger does, I’ll add 3.

Ya’ll have any thoughts on how to handle it better? I know there’s a video out there on Kkds and guns that got brought up on the podcast a while back, that I’m going to find and watch soon, but anything else?

Thanks,

Peter in Virginia.

 

Rachel

Paul

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Next we got another email from Clayton in Minnesota

 

Alright grumblers here is some gosh darn Minnesota nice for you!

Minnesota does give out non resident permits that can be applied for at any sheriff office in the state.
If you come within a couple hours of me during a visit to the great white north here, I’ll give you a “name your price” class and accept as little as a penny to show my appreciation for all your time and effort to the Polite Society Podcast. I have lots of guns and ammo we can qualify with if you don’t bring your own!

Thanks for revisiting my email, I really enjoyed the way Susan could really bring out the meaning of my words onto the air.

Best regards from the North Star State,
Clayton

 

John do you want to mention anything from No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money  you would like to talk about?

 

I have a couple and they are related. You know how the anti-gunners and their progressive kin believe in never letting a tragedy go to waste? They are now using the heroics of the Americans on that train in France as an example of how “you don’t need a gun to stop a bad guy.” They say that this validates some anti-gun research coming from Harvard’s David Hemenway. They conveniently forget to add that the train was a “gun free zone”.

 

The second was about a bulk email I got from Virginia Delegate Patrick Hope (D-Arlington) asking me to sign a Change.org petition for universal background checks. It was sent approximately 15 hours after the murders of the journalists. I pointed out the Hope seems to be the kind of guy who will surrender all principle if it gets him ahead. Hope is originally from Texas, attended a Christian high school, and then Catholic colleges for his undergraduate and graduate degrees. Despite this background, he is proudly proclaiming he won a major award from NARAL for protecting abortion funding. Pardon me if I am suffering from a little cognitive dissonance.

 

Gary – Rob is moving this week so he hasn’t had time to post anything on his SlowFacts blog. He is prolific though, now is a good time to get caught up. Also I have good news for Paul, Pmags for the Glock. Wrong, Gary there was a problem with the 9mm so .40 S&W is delayed.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Episode 345 – Detroit Citizens Arming Themselves

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest Sean Sorrentino

Cornered Cat Quick Tip:

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

PAUL: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday August 23rd 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

JOHN: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Detroit’s police chief urging citizens to arm themselves.

RACHEL: I’m Rachel Malone and in one of our DGUs a 14-year-old successfully defends himself and his younger siblings.

SEAN: I’m Sean D. Sorrentino of GunBlog VarietyCast and I’ll be a guest co-host today.

GARY: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s… we have a story from Chicago… so climb aboard

SUE: strap in

JOHN : and hang on!

PAUL:  episode 345 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

GARY – What training do you have coming up? My next class is an Illinois FCCL certification course on September 19&20 for the full 16 hour course or Sunday the 20th for 8 hours if you meet the prerequisites. You can sign up on my website www.FirearmSI.com. Of course last weekend I was in the Cornered Cat class with the added bonus of a handgun retention class with DON STAHLNECKER

 

JOHN – The classes I teach at WCU started this week so I’ve been pretty busy with that. I did meet with a client yesterday and our conversation turned to guns. Turns out Tom qualified Expert with the M16A1 when he was a Combat Engineer in the Army Reserve in the 70s.

 

The class with Paul Carlson and Grant Cunningham in North Carolina tentatively scheduled for this fall that Doc Wesson and I were trying to put together is being put on hold. I think we may try for the Spring instead. Doc’s work schedule and not enough solid interest contributed to this.

 

RACHEL – my sister’s wedding yesterday. Still trying to catch up on sleep from the last few weeks and organize my life for this fall. Made all my reservations for GRPC! Got an email invitation to their range day event – is anyone else doing that? I might…

 

SEAN – I shot an IDPA match yesterday! I need a better ammo budget. That’s really a lot of fun.

 

PAUL – Cornered Cat class. Improved although I only did a bit of shooting on Sunday. Unlike Rob, I need to add more live fire. I found some things that make my grouping a LOT better.

 

BREAK

Seg 2- News

 

Chief Craig Effect: Detroit Citizens Arming Themselves In Face of Rising Crime Emailed in by Listener Anthony L

On the mean streets of Detroit, embattled citizens are arming themselves for their own protection with the approval and support of Police Chief James Craig. In a city plagued by crime, unemployment, shrinking police numbers and decades of single party rule, many of the remaining citizens are trying to take back their city. Handgun registrations and CCW permits have increased notably.  

 

“There’s definitely been a “Chief Craig” effect,” said Rick Ector, a firearms instructor, business owner, blogger and friend of this show. His support and endorsement has been helpful. Ector said that he and other instructors have seen a steady rise in locals looking to get a permit, to protect themselves either on the street or in their homes. Ector noted that legally armed residents are having an effect. “Home invasions have gone down,” he said. “A huge reason was that there was a huge spate of homeowners using their guns against intruders. More people have guns and it’s making burglars cautious.”

 

Rick said women are driving the growth in his business. “It used to be that we would only have one or two women in a class,” he said. “Now we are seeing much, much more. In the largely African-American city, residents are increasingly supportive of civilian armament. “If anyone should have the right or need to carry a gun, it should be the African-American community,” Philip Smith, founder of the National African American Gun Association, told Reuters.

 

Seems like this is one more lesson that can be learn from the rise and fall of Detroit. If only they were willing to listen.  

 

Sean – The real terror of this is the lack of control. Anti-gunners don’t want low crime, they want high control.

 

Rachel – I appreciate those who make the gun world much easier for women to enter and thrive in.

John – what threatens the gun controllers even more that it is African Americans

Paul – going to reach out to Rick Ector this week for next weekend’s show

An Alabama Sheriff just doesn’t get it

 

Russell County Sheriff Heath Taylor thinks that regardless of whether you qualify for a concealed carry permit that HE  should be the one who decides if you get it.  Taylor was quoted in a Breitbart piece saying that “We know things that the computer can’t tell us. We know things about our citizens. We know who’s going through a divorce. We know who’s in a bad time, who may be drinking too much, who may be abusive, but hasn’t necessarily crossed the line of a crime. But in our opinion, they don’t need a pistol permit” This following a theater shooting that we covered a few weeks ago where the gunman got a pistol despite several disqualifying factors that should have stopped him in the NICS check system. What the sheriff didn’t say is that the same things that should have stopped the gunman from getting a gun through NICS also would have allowed any sheriff to disallow the carry permit.

 

John – this makes me think of the NC sheriffs and the pistol permit system.

Sean – So he’s saying that he has a list of citizens he’s put on double secret probation?

Rachel – I know many people who would think this is a great idea. They don’t realize that this line of thinking will come back to bite them….and their grandkids.

Gary – They are doing this in Illinois, we are shall issue but any law enforcement agency can deny permits.

Paul –

Sean – Judge

 

Gabby Giffords and Starman Kelly Redefine Gun Control as Gun Responsibility

In an Orwellian redefinition of the term, Gabby Gifford and her opportunistic husband Mark “Starman” Kelly are claiming that they are not supporters of ‘gun-control’, but rather favor ‘gun responsibility’. Despite never meeting a gun-control effort they didn’t like, they now say they do not support ‘gun-control’ in the traditional sense of the phrase. With a profound grasp of the obvious, Kelly said that nobody likes to be controlled. He went on to say that the gun control group he and Giffords launched simply supports “basic principles” to keep communities safer.

 

This is an indication of the success the gun-rights community has earned; the term “gun-control’ now has a negative connotation with most of the public. The terms gun-safety and now gun-responsibility are simply efforts to get around the public’s evolving understanding. Giffords and Kelly’s statement is a nuanced, and deceitful, acknowledgement of our gains.  

 

As Kurt Schlichter said to the antis; “Screw You”.  Giffords and Kelly are urged to again substitute a word.   

 

Gary –  Government forcing ‘Gun Responsibility’ IS ‘Gun Control’

John – I’m reminded of our interview with Jeff Knox regarding the VA and SSA. Shouldn’t Gabby Giffords actually be a prohibited person due to brain injuries.

Gary –

Paul – unfortunately I saw in the news this week that Giffords has had a US Navy ship named after her. I think that it is unfortunate that a ship made for fighting is named for a person who is against our rights.

Sean –  Gun Ban, Gun Control, Gun Safety, Gun Responsibility: You can say poop, feces, or night soil, but no matter what you call it, it tastes just the same .

Rachel- this is true Sean, but it’s also true that those who control the narrative have a significant edge. Maybe we’ve successfully given gun “control” a negative connotation…let’s also make sure we’re the ones who successfully define gun responsibility.

 

Break

 

Senators Ask For Extra-legal Delay of Firearms Purchases

In a coordinated anti-rights assault, thirteen anti-gun U.S. senators have asked Bass Pro Shops and Cabela’s to refuse to release firearms to customers whose background checks aren’t completed within three business days. Michael Bloomberg’s Demanding Mommies is also making the same demand of Gander Mountain and Sportsman’s Warehouse. And, U.S. Rep. Ruben Gallego (D-Ariz.) and Brady Campaign president Dan Gross urged the same from firearm dealers nationwide. Thankfully, the retailers have so far not responded to the demands.

The largely ineffective Brady Handgun Violence Act of 1993 requires initial background checks to be completed within three business days. The three day limit is there so as to not violate the Second Amendment toooooo much. If the automated check is not completed in time, the retailer is allowed to release the firearm. If granted, these extralegal requests would deny a fundamental right as the result of bureaucratic delay. The threat of deliberate delays is clear.

 

We applaud the retailer’s decision to resist the pressures of the legislators and activists. We support those that support us.  

John – I have just three little words for these retailers – Smith. And. Wesson. They should remember what happened S&W when they entered an agreement with the Clinton Administration.

Sean – The 3 day limit was put there on purpose…

Rachel- everybody, do your part. Be proactive in getting to retailers and encouraging them to support our rights.

Gary- I carry these

Sean – No Secret boycotts

John – Delta and their ban on trophies

 

AMERICANS SUBDUE GUNMAN ON FRENCH TRAIN

One serves in the Air Force, another recently served in Afghanistan in the National Guard, another is studying physical therapy in Sacramento – and these 3 Americans are being hailed as heroes for tackling & disarming a gunman they happened to encounter on a high-speed Amsterdam-Paris train.

Air Force serviceman Spencer Stone remained hospitalized Saturday after being stabbed, though the Pentagon said the injury was not life-threatening. another passenger was wounded by a handgun in the attack.

The French Interior Minister said the American “were particularly courageous and showed great bravery in very difficult circumstances.

The attacker did not fire his automatic weapon but did wound one man with a handgun and another with a blade. The suspect is a 26-year-old Moroccan.

It’s unclear whether there was a political motive to the gunman’s actions. Counterterrorism police are leading the investigation and are questioning the attacker,

 

Sean – Let’s not forget the fourth member of our band of “have a go heroes,” a

Gary – I have to quote the NRA “Good guys with guns stop bad guys with guns”

 

Paul – A reminder that it is weren’t for the French in the 1770’s we would likely still have a monarch

 

Gun Quotes

 

“#Black Rifles Matter” — Michael Bane

 

It doesn’t require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires to people’s minds. — Samuel Adams

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Sean D. Sorrentino of the GunBlog VarietyCast

 

How did you come up with idea for your podcast?

Do you have a particular focus such as gun rights or training?

 

Did you have trouble getting gun bloggers to agree to record segments for the show?

 

Bio-Break

Segment 4 DGUs

 

14 Year Old Defends Siblings From Home Invaders

Faced with two home invaders, a 14 year old did everything he had to do: He hid his six year old twin siblings in closets, got his father’s cell phone…. and he grabbed his rifle.  When one of the intruders opened the closet where he was hiding, the thug found himself not facing the expected frightened child, but the muzzle of the young man’s firearm. “I had my gun loaded and ready to shoot, but when he saw me he just took off running,” young Andrew Mason related. Andrew’s father said “He’s excellent. He did everything perfectly. He couldn’t have done better, and he’s actually a hero,”

 

The proud papa had done pretty well himself. Kiewa Mason recounted that “I believe in the right to bear arms, and it’s not like he was foreign to it. We go to the shooting range quite often. We go to the Clark County (Las Vegas) shooting range quite often. Kiewa Mason said his family has practiced for this scenario.


The two thugs were videoed by the home’s security system. They are well known to the neighborhood and are expected to be arrested soon.

Our congratulations to the two Mason men; Well done, well done indeed.

 

Rachel – gun safety storage, authorized use

Gary – Similar law here in Illinois.

Paul – Good on the father for teaching the child that once someone is running away not to shoot.

 

Sean – Something jumps out at me when I look at a picture of the young man with the rifle.

 

Four Teenagers Shoot Homeowner and at Wife Holding a Six Month Old Baby

In a bone-chilling reminder of why we arm ourselves, a Georgia family had to endure the nightmare of a home invasion by four armed men.  Michael Lash answered a teen’s plea for the loan of a car jack. Once the door was opened, four males forced their way inside. In the fracas, Lash was shot twice in the legs. The thugs then fired at his wife holding their six-month-old daughter. The shot fortunately missed. Their two year old son was unharmed in the incident.

 

Whitney Lash was talking to a 911 operator before the first shots rang out. However, the cops arrived far too late to apprehend the suspects, who remain at large. The horrifying 911 recording can be found at the link in the show notes.      

Listeners are reminded to NEVER open the door to someone they do not know. If they appear official, confirm their identity by a call to their organization. And please take heed of the many stories we present of armed homeowners successfully defending their lives with a firearm.

 

Gary – Four invaders and they want to limit our magazine capacity to 7 or 10 rounds.

Sean – Locked screen door. Barriers between you and intruders.

Sean – Pretext

 

Defensive Gun Use: Shop Owner Refuses To Be Robbed, Takes Robber’s Gun And Shoots Him With It

 

Andrew Hepburn was lucky when two robbers entered his CAD Auto Parts in Fort Lauderdale, FL. Lucky because he was able to take away one of robbers’ guns and use it to defend himself.

 

Conrad Bloomfield, 36, of Lauderhill and his accomplice entered Hepburn’s auto parts shop and demanded he get on the ground while they began robbing the shop. When Hepburn was slow to get on the ground, Bloomfield began to pistol whip him. It was then that Hepburn took the robber’s gun and turned it on him. He ended up shooting Bloomfield 5 times in the chest. The accomplice did wound Hepburn in the exchange of gunfire. Fortunately, Hepburn is expected to have a full recovery while Bloomfield is in critical condition.

 

John – this is another story illustrating why you need to be armed.

Sean – Saw this video

Rachel- fighting is a mindset: the will to survive

Paul – never give up if you still have consciousness

 

Defensive Gun Use of the Day: More Chicago CCW Success

 

Ever since Illinois became the last state in the country to allow concealed carry, we’ve seen reports of legally-armed citizens defending themselves against armed criminals. Here is another one of those stories that happened late Thursday. A 24-year-old man, legally carrying a concealed firearm, was walking down the street with a woman when two suspects approached them with a handgun and announced that they were being robbed . . .

As a response, the 24-year-old drew his firearm, as did one of the armed thugs. Both men fired. The permit holder was shot in the leg, while the suspect was shot in the chest.

Both were taken to the same hospital where the permit holder is in stable condition. The suspect, however, is in critical condition and, if he makes it through his injuries, will be facing numerous charges.

Paul – shot placement

Sean – What constitutes a “Win?”

Rachel- too often, it’s not about the wallet. That may be the pretext, but things can escalate quickly.

Paul – I carry 2 wallets

Rachel- there’s always the wallet holster…

Sean – I ain’t here for no gunfight

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Our first email is from Chris in North Carolina

 

Hey All,

(Caution! wall of text below.  Feel free to edit as necessary for brevity as desired)

I have been meaning to drop you one of those oh-so coveted fan emails for a while now but marriage, a new job, and moving to North Carolina got in the way of things.  I wanted to express my appreciation to everyone for all the time and effort put into the show each week. Those of you on air and those who work behind the scenes (I’m talking about you Charlie Foxtrot) are doing amazing work.  I eagerly anticipate the release of each show.  I savor the knowledgeable,
insightful and sometimes irreverent commentary you and your guests provide.  You are my go-to podcast for my short commute each day.

I am a native born Minnesotan so a comment in episode 343 caught my attention.  You mentioned a very wise hesitancy to render aid to the aggressor in a DGU that happened in Minnesota.  I know Paul travels through the “California of the north” so I thought I’d mention this.
Some states have laws with severe penalties that may be interpreted to require you to foolishly put your life in danger a second time and render aid if you’ve used deadly force to stop someone threatening your life.

Of course there are conditional statements in the verbiage of the law making use of what I like to call “lawyer speak” (a.k.a. weasel words) that can be interpreted to allow you to not rendering physical aid if you are still in fear of your life.  However, as we have seen there is a concerted effort by the media and most liberals to misinterpret these passages in a way that is NOT advantageous to a victim who chooses to defend themselves.  The _potential_ exists that you may be prosecuted for not going beyond calling the cleanup crew to help someone who just tried to kill you.

I personally believe no person should ever be required by the power of the state to do more than call the police and let the trained professionals approach a violent offender.  Depending on the prosecutor you could be at risk if you do not.  Here is a link to the statute .  I hope this helps people make an informed decision if they should ever have to do the unsavory duty of defending themselves or loved ones.  https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.662

P.S. I’m sure John is wondering, yes for the time being, I do live in Cary, the Containment Area for Relocated Yankees.

Sincerely,

Chris in North Carolina
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Sean – Welcome to the Massachusetts of Dixie

Paul – MAG 40

Sean – Law of Self

John – In other words, you don’t have to be Minnesota Nice to a criminal.

 

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Next up is Bud who sent this one in

 

I really enjoy listening to The Polite Society Podcast.  I listen every week and always check for new podcasts during the week.  The DGU’s are very interesting and there are only a couple of gun shows that even discuss items like this.  As much as I enjoy the show, I do have a couple of suggestions for making it even more interesting.

 

I would love to hear you have Dr. John Lott on the show and just let him discuss facts about gun deaths, crimes and state laws in America.  It seems like every time someone has Dr. Lott on their show they only allow him to answer specific questions and then rush him to provide an answer.  I always get the feeling that he had much much more to discuss, but show times didn’t allow him to speak.

 

If the show time doesn’t allow for Dr. Lott to discuss the details of his research, then make the time, extend the length of the show or make it a two or three part series.  I’m sure that other subscribers/listeners are just as interested in his research as I am and this would provide a lot of information for gun owners to use in conversations with those on the fence about guns.  I think that Massod Ayoob would be just as interesting. *** Just ask them a question or two to get the conversation started and then turn them loose.

 

Another guest that I’d love to hear from is someone like Michael Bloomberg or the leader of Mothers Against whatever. **  It would be interesting to hear just how people like this think and/or process information.  I wouldn’t allow them to misstate the facts about guns, as a matter of fact it would be good to hear how they actually handle the facts.

 

These are just suggestions about shows that I believe would be highly listened to podcasts and quite possibly make national news that could put “The Polite Society Podcast” in the must listen to podcasts of many people.

 

Thank you,

Bud

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John – We have had Dr. Lott on the show a while back. Perhaps it is time to get him on again.

Sean – GET GAIL!

Rachel- Wanna find out “how they actually handle the facts”? Sounds like they handle facts by avoidance…ignorance is bliss?

 

John – I’d love to have Shannon Watts on to explain why she opposes campus carry when her daughter goes to  a school where they have campus carry.

 

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We also got an email from Clayton

 

Hey folks, I heard y’all begging for emails so I decided to pipe up and educate you a bit.
While Minnesota did drop several states from our recognized reciprocity, (we only recognize permits that include live fire in the class qualification) we have been making large breakthroughs in pro gun legislation. We are moving in the right direction at a pretty good pace! While California is sliding deeper and deeper in the opposite direction.
We have no magazine capacity limit, no ammo purchase limit, no limit on number of firearms carried, our permit allows rifle and shotgun carry, no thumb safety requirement, no god forsaken bullet buttons, and we can even carry guns in the woods without a permit.
(It literally says “in the woods” in the statute. Ha) There are A LOT of hunters here.

 

 

Minnesota just legalized suppressors, hunting with them, and stripped the government from the ability to confiscate weapons during a declared emergency. (We didn’t even know they had that power since we have no earthquakes or hurricanes! Apparently a legislator snuck it in around May)
We stripped the requirement to notify the Capitol of intention to carry on grounds too. There is no language in our laws about open or concealed for our carry, so I like to open carry for comfort, speed, and to be a pleasantly polite ambassador to the public for responsibly armed citizens like us.

I know those are common things for Southerners but I just wanted to remind you we aren’t as Liberal as the “Twin Cities” want you to believe. We have nearly 200,000 issued permits here and it’s growing fast.
I’m proud to be an NRA member, (an unnamed organization) permit to carry instructor, and (an unnamed number of) guns owner!

 

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John – Now why doesn’t MN recognize NC because we meet their class and shooting requirements.

 

Gary – Rob can’t be with us but he is still writing. He posted yesterday about the train shooting in France. You can see that post at https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/ John you have a new post this week right?

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Sean for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time? Rachel: yes! I’m back in the swing of things!  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Sue: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 340 – Terrorism Strikes Our Marines

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/340.mp3

Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest Ed Levine

Interview Segment 2: Guest Alexander Roubian

Interview Segment 3: Anette Wachter:

DGU Segment 1:

DGU Segment 2: 

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, July 19th, 2015 I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk about the military service members shot in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a new proposal by the Obama Administration to add even more people to the NICS prohibited list.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and I’ll be giving a tribute to one of my first and strongest shooting mentors, Michael Adam.

Anette: I’m Anette Wachter, the 30 cal gal, and I’m headed to Camp Perry for the world long range shooting championships

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about defending yourself as you sit in your car, so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 340 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Last Sunday I spoke on Armed American Radio with Mark Walters.  Tuesday morning I spoke on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady. We talked about the Kate Steinle murder in San Francisco.

 

I wrote and read the news for Kenn Blanchard on his Black man with a gun podcast.

 

Intro to guns for a neighbor.  Studied Louisiana firearms laws and started giving away my reference books on California gun law.

 

John – This week was taken up mostly with work. Nothing gun related except for blogging. Even though I had free time, I didn’t even practice dry firing. I’m a slug, what can I say. However, next weekend, I am going to demo day held by SilencerCo. It is part of their Quiet Riot Tour and we’ll get a chance to shoot a number of weapons including submachine guns and SBRs that have been suppressed.

 

I would also like to note with some sadness that one of my favorite podcasts has ridden off into the sunset. Of course I’m talking about the Gun Dudes. They have decided after 340 episodes to call it quits. I wish them the best.

 

Rachel- This week my shooting community was stunned by the sudden tragic passing of Michael Adam, also known as Scout. Michael was a long-time Appleseed Master Instructor and also the co-founder of Battle Road. He’s been a guest here on the podcast, talking about our history and heritage. He was one of the best people I’ve known, and he heavily influenced all his shooting students, not just in the world of shooting, but also in the way he saw them as people and gave them hope and light and encouragement that reached to the very depths of their souls.

 

I can’t even begin to describe the breadth and depth of his impact on those he came into contact with, both those from Texas and all over the US. I can only try to sum up briefly some of what he mean to me personally.

 

Michael Adam taught me to shoot; to be an instructor; to value, respect, and care for those around me; to work harder and go farther than I thought I ever could; to never stop learning.

 

He warmly welcomed everyone I brought out to Davilla for Appleseed and Battle Road courses with a rare kind of hospitality and care. He brought together a team I was honored to be a part of. He always had stories to share, always crazy ideas for another great Zombie Run obstacle that he’d try to get Mark to agree to smile emoticon, and always a heart bigger than I remembered the last time.

 

His sudden passing leaves an immense hole in many lives, and my life will not be the same without Scout around. But his life left a lasting impact on everyone around him, and my life is not the same because he was a part of it. For that, I am grateful.

 

Gary-

 

Anette-

 

Paul: New to me truck that I have for a few weeks. I am driving a Volvo, and it has enough room I can actually dry fire in the truck.

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

 

(Ed levine is waiting on skype!)

Break

 

Seg 2- News

John reads

Service Member Shootings in Chattanooga
The staff of the Polite Society Podcast would like to express our sincere condolences to the family and friends of the five Service members killed at the Navy Operations Support Center in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Godspeed Gunnery Sgt. Thomas J. Sullivan, Staff Sgt. David A. Wyatt, Sgt. Carson A. Holmquist, Lance Cpl. Squire K. Wells and Petty Officer 2nd Class Randall Smith. Rest in Peace. Well done.

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Our thoughts and prayers are also with the two men wounded in the attack. Another attack in this unacknowledged but escalating war on the United States.

Governor Asa Hutchinson quickly acted to allow Arkansas’ Service personnel a chance to fight back by authorizing Arkansas National Guard Adjutant General Mark Berry to arm full-time military personnel. Arkansas National Guard bases will no longer be gun-free zones. Hutchinson acted in the memory of Arkansas’ native son; Sgt. Wyatt, who was killed in the terror attack. Then, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott announced he’s authorizing Texas National Guard Adjutant Gen. John Nichols to arm troops at facilities across the state in response to the deadly shooting rampage in Tennessee. Now, Gov. Mary Fallin has authorized the state’s adjutant general to arm full-time Oklahoma National Guardsmen at military facilities in Oklahoma.  Where our military men and women remain disarmed by executive order, armed Americans have been spontaneously showing up to protect those who protect us.

It seems that common sense is staging a comeback in these troubling times.

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John – I just read this morning that Indiana Gov. Mike Pence has authorized the Indiana National Guard and their recruiting stations to have armed personnel.

Rob- https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/07/19/while-obama-looks-the-other-way-citizens-and-governors-defend-military/

 

Will obama make recruiting centers gun free zones?

 

A New Class of Prohibited Persons

The LA Times reported on Saturday morning that the Obama Administration will be proposing that Social Security recipients – retirees and those that are on disability – who need help managing their money will now be included in the FBI’s NICS check system as prohibited persons.

 

Given that there is no reliable way to identify those recipients who have mental conditions, Alzheimers, dementia, disabilities due to brain injuries, etc., the Social Security Administration is proposing to use the VA standard. This standard is that anyone who has trouble managing their own financial affairs and needs a fiduciary is a prohibited person and is reported to the FBI for inclusion into the NICS database.  These people would be included in the category “mentally defective.”

 

Mental health professionals, advocates for the disabled, and people who support gun rights say this is not right. “Someone can be incapable of managing their funds but not be dangerous, violent or unsafe,” said Dr. Marc Rosen, a Yale psychiatrist who has studied how veterans with mental health problems manage their money. “They are very different determinations.”

 

Comment – John – I am furious over this. My mom died after suffering Alzheimers for years and now my mother in law is suffering from it. This proposal robs them and others of what shred of dignity they have left. As for stopping so-called “gun violence”, when was the last time you heard Grandma involved in a mass murder.

 

Comment- Rachel – I often encounter people who think measures like these are a great step forward. I can often change their minds simply by asking the question: who gets to decide who’s not allowed to have a gun, and what gives them that right?

 

Last week, Maine Governor Paul LePage signed constitutional carry into law.  Maine is the eighth state that does not require a permit to carry concealed weapon.  Constitutional carry applies to all non-prohibited persons over 21 years of age, or over 18 and in the military.  Quoting one maine legislator, “You can open carry in Maine now. All this does is allow open carry gun owners to put on a jacket.”

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Gary-  We have two pieces of good news to report from Oregon. First, the Oregon Supreme court said that law enforcement could not routinely ask if a citizen had a firearm on their person without probable cause.  In this case, the citizen was stopped for J-walking.  Concealed carriers in Oregon do not have a duty to inform a police officer when they are stopped.

 

The second news story is that the anti-gun Democrat House Majority Leader Val Hoyle will no longer face a recall.  Pro-rights groups collected enough signatures to force Hoyle into a recall election, but the recall stopped when Hoyle announced she was leaving office.  Well done Oregon gun owners.   [We did this last week]

 

-Mayor Stephen Reed was indicted.  The Mayor of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania was charged with hundreds of counts covering some 17 separate charges of of theft, bribery and fraud.  Why would we cover the prosecution of a democrat mayor of Harrisburg, pennsylvania.  Mayor Reed is a proud member of Bloomberg’s Mayors against illegal guns.. also known as illegal mayors against guns.

 

Reed used the former Harrisburg funding Authority as a political ATM and withdrew hundreds of thousands of dollars charged to “administrative fees.”

The Mayor bribed members of Harrisburg City Council to pass questionable city bonds.

The Mayor is also charged with taking funds from the city Parking Authority, the Civic Baseball Club and the city School District.

 

With a record like that, Mayor Reed could run for office in Chicago or Trenton.. once he gets out of prison.

 

So far the decision as to whether Catholic churches in Chicago will open their doors to licensed concealed carry holders is left up to each church.  The Catholic Conference of Illinois says it is studying the matter.  Last week Chicago Archbishop Blase Cupich said he supports banning licensed concealed carry holder from entering his churches.

 

Quote “I know that in many dioceses there are policies that firearms are not permitted in churches, and I think that’s that’s only reasonable.. I surely would be supportive of not having any firearms in our churches.”  close quote.

 

From what I read, a Catholic church in Chicago will open its doors to a criminal illegal alien, but turn away a licensed concealed carry holder.  Hmm.

 

Comment – MDA of NJ is starting a Twitter campaign to get Pope Francis to endorse their campaign for “gunsense”.

 

Rob- Church liability?

 

-I wonder if Chicago Archbishop Cupich reads reports from John Lott’s Crime Prevention Research Center.  Last week Dr. Lott summarized recent trends in concealed carry, and here is the news we can use.

 

-You know that concealed carry is growing in popularity.  Since President Obama was elected, the number of concealed handgun permits has grown from just under 5 million to almost 13 million today.

-Not only that, but the rate of growth is increasing each year.  Last year the number of permits grew by a record 15% , and this is while more states adopt constitutional carry and don’t require permits.

-The murder rate fell by 25 percent during that same period showing that our guns don’t cause crime.

-Today, the national average is that one out of 19 adults has a permit to carry.

-In five states the licensed carry rate is more common than one in ten adults.

-In ten states, a permit is no longer required to carry almost everywhere.

-The face of concealed carry is changing.  Since 2007, permits for women have increased by 270% while permits have only grown by 156% for men.

Evidence suggests that permit holding by minorities is increasing more than twice as fast as for whites.

That is good news.

– As you would expect, the number of federal background checks set a new record in June.

 

Rachel- Gun Quotes-

Prohibiting the means of self-defense is clearly the same as prohibiting the right of self-defense.  Unknown Author

 

You know what is really (screwed) up? That Michael Bloomberg and Shannon Watts have more firepower with them than the Marines had in Chattanooga.

Miguel Gonzalez

 

So what symbol of hate needs to come down in Chicago to stop the violence there?

George Hill

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Ed Levine from DC carry-  Ed Levine talks about the murder of Kevin Joseph Sutherland on a Washington DC metro train.

What happened.

media coverage

gun free zone

stay of issuing cc permits in DC

 

Alexander Roubian from nj2as-

Sweeney recall

fear from NJ citizens

85 year old ww 2 vet

reason for fear- event was cancelled

 

gun ranges won’t support the recall

 

more signature gathering events

weekends

mid-week

 

protest ban a sweeney’s house

website- contact events: New Jersey Second Amendment Society

recall sweeney.com  http://www.recallsweeney.com/

 

Anette Wachter-

bolt action 308 155 gr, iron sight, sling support

1000 yds

read the mirage before trusting the flags (every 100 yds along the range)

rifle- rpi quad lock action, stock- jim cloward, kreeger barrel, warner sights.

single and team event, crew served weapon

Palma and Long distance

Palma requires a 3.5 lb trigger.

Precision rifle is more of a sniper layout, magazine feed and uses optics.

Leupold mark 6 (3 to 18 power)

mirage

coriolis effect

wind (flags, mirage drift, near wind, far wind0

elevation

spin drift

 

Rob- Segment 4 DGUs

 

Could you defend yourself as you sit in your car?

Our first story starts late at night in Nashville Tennessee.  A 74 man had just gotten into his car when two teens robbed him.  They took his cell phone and demanded he get out of his car.  The elderly man climbed from his car.. and drew his concealed carry pistol.  He shot one of the robbers but missed the second.  The second robber ran.  The elderly man held the wounded thief for police.  Police are looking for the thief who took the man’s cell phone, but police already determined the shooting was in self-defense.

 

Do you think you’re ready for a gunfight?

Four men pulled up to a convenience store.  The getaway driver stayed in the car while the other three put on masks, drew their guns and stormed into a Super K convenience store in Houston, Texas.  The thieves grabbed a customer and used her as a human shield.  The thieves demanded money from the clerk behind the counter.  Then they beat the clerk when he did not comply fast enough.  Another stove employee heard the robbery and walked into the store from the back room.  He drew his handgun and shot two of the three thieves.  All three fled to their waiting get-away car.  The two wounded criminals later died in a local hospital.  Police are still looking for one of the robbers.  The clerk required stitches to the back of his head.

 

The store owner said most of the employees are armed because the store had already been robbed within the previous month.  Are you ready to take on three armed men?  This store owner didn’t have a choice.

 

Red Molly
A Tallahassee couple’s waking nightmare was a man outside their bedroom door screaming I’m gonna kill you! I’m gonna kill you! She grabbed a phone; he grabbed a gun. The gun got to the scene a lifetime quicker than the cops. The wide-eyed, frothing invader was only five feet from the homeowner when he fired. Struck in the chest, Jarod Clemons, 27, staggered out the smashed front door and back into the night, where he died.

Mr Clemons had had a busy night. It started with a hit of a new street drug Molly, a synthetic variant of Ecstasy cut with unknown substances. It involved jumping from his girlfriend’s moving car, seeking help in a police station, breaking out of an ambulance on the way to a hospital, terrorizing a neighborhood, and finally throwing a planter through the front door of the house where he met his end.

 

In the past year, ERs have seen a sharp increase in patients taking Molly. “Somebody who comes in on Molly is actively psychotic. They’re usually very combative.” said an ER  physician. Our listeners should be aware of the growing threat of the many, new synthetic street drugs. The people they encounter may be impervious to pain, stronger, faster, more aggressive and far less rational than the ordinary criminal. This situation has reminded one cop of the bad old days of Angel Dust, only worse.

 

Man Stops a Firearm Robbery With Open Carry Weapon

“I was at the counter buying bullets with my cousin and I heard some loud bangs. I look up and they are just loading up weapons from the counter and then they run off and my instincts kicked in.” Joey Tapley followed the three robbers outside the store, pulled his open carry weapon and stopped one of the thieves. “I told him drop the gun man, mine is loaded, just drop the gun. We made eye contact for a second or two and he dropped two guns and ran,” Police later arrested the three teenagers and an unidentified woman.

Tapley carries a gun openly and says his effort wouldn’t have been possible without Governor Brownback’s approval of the open-carry law that took effect on July 1.

While we applaud the results of Tapley’s actions, we must point out that he took an awful lot upon himself. As no lives were being threatened, many self-defense instructors would advise the armed citizen not to get involved in these situation. The risks are huge. Things could have gone south very quickly, as they did in the following DGU:
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John- Customer Follows/ Shoots Robber
An early morning trip to a New Orleans gas station turned  into a fight for survival for an armed citizen attempting to stop a robbery suspect. The thief got the stations cash as well as the man’s wallet. The victim went to his car, retrieved a firearm, and confronted the escaping robber.  Shots were exchanged and the thief collapsed after running a few steps. The criminal is in critical condition and will be booked on two counts of armed robbery, possession of stolen property and possession of illegal narcotics if he survives.

Again in this instance, the armed citizen acted when there was no active threat to himself or others. He put his life, his future, his family and his finances all on the line. Many jurisdictions would not look kindly upon these actions. The man luckily survived the shootout. It’s unknown if he will have similar luck with the legal system.

 

For all of us that carry a firearm in public, it’s up to us to educate ourselves and decide in advance what we would do if we were confronted by a similar situation.

 

Vietnam Vet Shoots Robber
Sometimes, you just have to do what you have to do. A Vietnam Vet found himself in the proverbial box one afternoon. His trip to a Sycamore, Georgia gas station was altered with the words; “Put the money in the bag!” Don Rogers looked up and saw a man pointing a pistol at the clerk.

 

With another’s life and his own in obvious danger, Rogers acted. He pulled his CCW. “When I did, he looked over at me and turned my way and I fired a shot. And he grabbed his side and then I fired two more shots before he got out the door,” Rogers said.

 

A shaken Rogers related; “Well, I was hoping nothing like this would ever happen, but I was glad I had my weapon with me… I just did what I had to do.” The store clerk says Don Rogers may have saved his life. Turner County Sheriff Andy Hester observed; “These people that’ll go out and do this kind of stuff need to realize – it ain’t always gonna fare to their favor, just because they’re a predator.”

The predator and his female accomplice called 911 from three miles away. She’s in jail as an accessory to armed robbery, he’s in a Macon hospital in critical condition. A gas station clerk and Don Rogers are alive and well — he just did what he had to do.

 

A Robber’s Here, Daddy

Out of the mouths of babes… A three year old toddler startled his father with the words “A robber’s here, daddy.” Seconds later, the Eldorado, Ohio homeowner faced a masked, obscenity-shouting gunman. Forced to protect the five members of his family, the man shot once, hitting the intruder in the chest. Police found the robber unconscious in the home’s front hallway. He died at nearby hospital. The parents say they did not know the 22-year-old criminal.

Stay armed, stay alert, and stay safe out there – it’s an increasingly dangerous world.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

I wrote about Taxing Washington State Politicians.  The Seattle City Council wanted to tax law abiding gun owners because of the harm criminals do with guns.  I proposed a new tax on all politicians because of the harm some politicians have done.

 

I have a second series of posts wrote about armed citizens standing guard outside military recruiting centers and armories.  These articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland,  and at my blog, slow facts dot word press dot com

 

John do you want to mention anything off of No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

 

Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors has started a campaign to get Cabela’s to not release firearms purchases after the three day period if the NICS check comes back as “delay/hold”. As I said in my blog post, has anyone from that organization ever bought a firearm at Cabela’s? I have and they have the most comprehensive process for gun sales I’ve ever seen. It is computerized, it involves double checking entries, and it involves managers. Moreover, according to the FBI itself, a person is assumed to be eligible to purchase a firearm unless they find a disqualifying factor. A delay or hold means the FBI wants to check a little deeper but they haven’t found a reason to deny the person. Under Federal law, after three days, the dealer is allowed to transfer the firearm. It is not an “incomplete check” as stated by the gun prohibitionists.

 

You can find this post and many more at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank alexander roubian from the new Jersey second amendment society, Anette Wachter- the thirty call gal, and Ed Levian from dc carry for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 331: Alexander Roubian Of NJ2AS

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, May 31 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with Alexander Roubian about the campaign to recall New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Texas finally getting open carry.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our we have a rarity, a DGU in New Jersey! .. so climb aboard (???)

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 321 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I got to shoot my Mosin Nagant again.  I had to sight the rifle in after I put a taller front sight on it.  I am a three minute shooter so far. I’d like to shoot it again shooting outdoors with a larger target at a longer distance.  I also shot my friends Browning copy of a 1881 lever action in 45-70.  That 350 grain bullet makes the Mosin feel like a 22.  It is embarrassing that the Browning front sight was a tenth of an inch too short.

 

I read the news for Kenn Blanchard’s program Black Man with a Gun.  I was also on the Lock and Load Radio Show with Bill Frady.  Bill said he’ll come on our podcast.  So will Bob Mayne next month.

 

John, what have you been up to?

 

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John – Not much to report this week. It has been mostly work since Memorial Day. I have been assembling the parts for my retro AR-15 A1. I just need the barrel to complete it. It will be a mixture of original surplus parts and some modern parts especially in the fire controls. My dad had shot Expert with the M-16 and I thought I’d like something similar to what he was issued.

 

Gary- Teaching, shot the Para again still working on FTF issues.

 

Paul – Getting ready for next weekend’s renaissance festival. meetings meetings meetings.

 

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

 

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Seg 2- News

 

John-

-Judge  Frederick J. Scullin Junior said Washington, DC’s regulation of concealed carry was unconstitutional.  The judge enjoined the city from enforcing those laws.  Then judge Scullin denied DC’s request for a stay in his decision.  In layman’s terms, the judge said I mean it, and I mean it now.  The second amendment foundation has filed a motion seeking contempt charges against the city.

 

The city had a chance to appeal the judge’s original decision.  One reason the city might not have appealed is that DC did not want to lose in front of a federal appeals court, and the DC law was so egregious that the could well have lost even in front of a democrat appointed judicial panel.

 

-Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin signed a knife preemption bill.  It passed the Oklahoma house by a vote of 81 to 4.   The governor signed a bill allowing automatic opening knives the previous week.  This means that common knives are legal across the state of Oklahoma.. and law enforcement can pursue violent criminals rather than chasing honest knife owners.

 

Licensed Open Carry Passes in Texas.

-The Texas senate and house passed separate open carry bills.  and then both chambers ignored open carry until the last days of this legislative session.  The Senate finally took up the house bill and passed licensed open carry.  It included a provision that open carry is not probable cause for arrest.  The concern was that texas police would arrest any black person carrying a gun.  That provision has been eliminated from the bill and both houses of the Texas legislature pass the bill on Friday. Gov. Greg Abbott tweeted, “Open Carry just passed in both the Texas House & Senate. Next destination: My Pen.

 

John – I know I have teased my fellow podcast Rachel Malone about how North Carolina is ahead of Texas on this. We have had unlicensed open carry since 1922. That said, I want to recognize all the hard work that she and other gun rights activists put in to make this law a reality. Congratulations to all 2A activists in TX who fought for this.

 

Campus Carry in Texas

A campus carry bill passed the Texas Senate by a 20-11 vote on Saturday. The bill will be taken up by the Texas House on Sunday afternoon. Gov. Abbott has said he will sign the bill when it arrives on his desk.

The bill as passed by the Senate would allow licensed carry holders carry in dorms, classrooms, and public buildings of public universities. A provision to add private universities was eliminated in a conference committee.

While schools will be able to designate their own “gun free zones”, it will be limited.

State Sen. Brian Birdwell, R-Granbury, said his legislation would allow for “very limited, reasonable prohibitions” on handguns in certain locations on university property.

He said his intent was that public college campuses would be as “permissive and accessible” as possible to handgun license holders and that universities would be as “specific and as minimalistic as possible” in defining restricted areas.

Break??? Yes

 

Rob-

Concealed Carrier Has Pistol Seized and Disassembled and Placed in Trunk.
A Coral Gables, Florida policeman noticed a CCW License, freaked out, seized the pistol, disassembled it, and placed it in the trunk. And his chief see nothing wrong with it.

 

A man and his family were driving through Coral Gables when they were pulled over for exceeding the 15 MPH speed limit. The cop notice the CCW License when getting the Driver’s License. His reaction was completely without justification. He order the driver to freeze and the officer reached in and removed the pistol from the driver’s holster. The pistol was finally returned, disassembled, in the trunk. The driver is sure he was treated as a criminal. And his police chief feels the deputy did nothing wrong.

 

Marion Hammer, executive director of the Unified Sportsmen of Florida and past-president of the National Rifle Association, disagrees. “I believe this incident involves an illegal search — without provocation — of a law abiding citizen duly licensed to carry a concealed weapon,” Eric Friday, the general counsel for Florida Carry, Inc. also has issues with the constitutionality of the search. Friday was not surprised by the allegations.

 

Friday reiterated that no driver in Florida has a duty to tell police when they are armed. “Because of repeated instances such as you are describing to me, I no longer recommend that to people today,” Friday said. “I changed my position because of misconduct such as this. … I strongly believe it’s time for the legislature to create specific penalties that apply when the rights of concealed-carry licensees are abused, or this will continue unabated.”

 

It’s a sad state of affairs when the cops mistrust and fear their obvious ally.

 

Anti-Gun Professor Dismisses California Gun Violence Restraining Orders
We’ve met anti-gun UCLA Law professor Adam Winkler before: the blog Not One More Gun Law fisked his inane HuffPo article Ferguson: With So Many Guns in America, Police Are Trained to Live in Fear. He pushes the standard snake-oil of universal background checks and scary gun bans. So it was a little surprising when he dismissed the new California Gun Violence Restraining Orders as ineffective.

 

Last year, California instituted Gun Violence Restraining Orders allowing associates and law enforcement to immediately strip a citizen’s 2nd Amendment rights with nothing more than an allegation. Patterned after the much-abused Domestic Violence Restraining Orders, the GVROs are a clear threat to California citizen’s embattled rights. A bill to punish false allegations was soundly defeated in the legislature.

The National Journal found that GVROs would not have stopped recent mass shootings. In their report, Winkler is quoted, “The truth is that it is very rare to know in advance when someone is going to be dangerous with a firearm. This is not going to make a huge dent in our gun violence statistics.”  Seems like even this stopped clock is right for once.

 

Loretta Lynch’s DOJ Will Move Forward With a Dozen Anti-Gun Regulations

The Obama administration’s Department of Justice will move forward with a dozen new anti-gun regulations The Hill reported. These proposed rules are to be enacted in the waning years of Obama’s term.

According to The Hill, the new regulations range from restrictions on high-powered pistols to gun storage requirements. There will be a renewed effort to keep guns out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable or have been convicted of domestic abuse. There are rising concerns that the administration will try to disqualifying as many people as possible from gun ownership; people who may have had a problem at some time in their past, regardless of their current behaviour.

 

John Lott reports the media’s coming support of these efforts has been telegraphed by Columbia University’s weekend workshop for journalists. Fifteen of the panel’s seventeen “experts” were allegedly gun control advocates. Apparently, journalism that presents both sides of the story is long gone. Gun Safety is likely to be the media theme, a more palatable, disingenuous description of anti-gun efforts. The workshop promised a range of biased anti-rights talking points, ignoring much of the benefits and realities of an armed populace.

It’s been said many times before, but the remaining months of Obama’s reign are likely to be the most dangerous ever to the Constitution as a whole and the Right To Keep and Bear Arms specifically.

 

House Bill To Require Gun Owners To Carry Liability Insurance
One of Bloomberg’s Useful Idiots: NY Rep Carolyn Maloney has introduced a bill to require the nation’s gun owners to carry liability insurance. The Firearm Risk Protection Act, would require gun buyers to have liability insurance before being allowed to purchase a firearm, fining any owner $10,000 if found not to have it. Service members and law enforcement officers would be exempt from the requirement.
It should be obvious that requiring a citizen to purchase a service from a private entity before exercising a Protected Right strains the limits of the Constitution and common sense. Poor inner city residents most in need would be economically prevented from exercising their right to self-defense. This is far from Maloney’s first anti-gun initiative. Just last week we discussed her proposed bill requiring each gun purchase to be reported to the Attorney General.  Maloney and her puppet-master Bloomberg are clearly no friends of the Constitution.

 

John – I hate to add this but Maloney is a North Carolina native who went to New York City seeking fame, fortune, and gun control.

 

The New Nationwide Crime Wave: The Ferguson Effect

It’s been a rough ten months since the justifiable shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. And It looks like it’s going to get worse. In a Wall Street Journal commentary, the impacts of the growing anti-police sentiments of the black activists, media and Progressive politician’s are examined. Called the Ferguson Effect, it documents the restrictions on the police and the resulting dramatic increase in crime.

 

As we in the gun-rights community well know, politicians typically respond to notorious crimes and events by punishing the law-abiding. The Ferguson Effect is much of the same. After a string of highly publicized black deaths by police, usually when the suspect has resisted arrest, there has been a slew of anti-police efforts. Police have been facing new rules, regulations and policies, DOJ consent decrees, community organizers and politicized civilian review boards, all under the highly biased microscope of the media.

 

The assault on policing has resulted in a destruction of police morale. The officers realize that any interaction with a suspect, no matter how warranted, may end up destroying their lives and family. Proactive policing, typified by the very effect “Broken Window” policies, is gone, and crime has jumped. Rates of murder, assaults, and burglaries, have increased dramatically, in some neighborhoods as much as 500%. The decades long decrease in crime appears to be ending.

Unfortunately, the immediate victims of the rising urban violence are the poor of the  inner city. Their ability to live safely and climb out of that morass will be threatened by the empowered criminals. But have no fear, the violence will not stay in the ghetto: everyone must be vigilant. Further compounding their errors, politicians will take advantage of the increasing crime rates to push for the usual ineffective gun restrictions.

 

Read the attached article in the show notes, it is well worth your time. And prepare and be aware. It’s an increasingly dangerous world out there.

 

Gun Quote  (who?)

How strangely will the tools of a tyrant pervert the plain meaning of words.  Samuel Adams.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Alexander Roubian from NJ2AS, http://www.recallsweeney.com/

Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 09:00 AM

Glassboro, NJ, exact location TBA

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Paul-

Woman Injured Defending Her Home

A 51-year-old woman was shot defending the occupants of her home from three armed and masked attackers. The three attackers burst through the Townsend, Delaware home and demanded money. One of the occupants was roughed up by an invader. The woman shot at an armed intruder and suffered a shot to the leg in the exchange of gunfire. The invaders fled, it is not known if any was injured. She and the roughed-up young man are in the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

 

Sometimes the cost of self-defense can be high – but worth it, especially when four lives are in the balance.

 

Intruder Shot By Woman

A Trenton, New Jersey woman was forced to defend her life with a gun. A jilted lover broke into her house and she shot him in the thigh. The lovesick and ventilated Jemoine Morris was picked up by police and taken to the hospital. He has been charged with criminal mischief. As of now, the woman has not been charged, but the New Jersey investigation is ongoing.

 

Cabby Fights Back

A Sebastian, Florida cab driver is alive and well after being held at knifepoint by two would-be robbers thanks to being armed. The two men had hailed the cab on early Saturday morning and then held a knife on the driver as they attempted to rob him. The cabby drew his handgun and shot one of the men. After the shooting, both men fled the scene. However, police were able to follow the blood trail and find them. The cabby identified the wounded man as the one who had held the knife on him. The wounded man was given medical assistance but died on his way to the hospital.

 

Wrong Movers

Two guys were helping a third guy move into his new Aurora, Colorado condo on Friday night. They were approached by three juveniles who attempted to rob the men at  gunpoint. As two of the men started to pull out their wallets, the third man pulled out his handgun and shot all three of the robbers. One juvenile died after being taken to the hospital, another is in serious condition, and a third was arrested on unrelated charges after he sought treatment for a shoulder wound at Aurora South Hospital. The movers were questioned by police and prosecutors and released without any charges.

 

Car Thief Held At Gunpoint

From listener John comes a tale of modern jurisprudence. Tye Wiegel was interrupted in the pursuit of his trade by a Willimantic, Connecticut resident.  Mr. Wiegel was attempting to steal the man’s car, parked in front of the man’s house. Wiegel declined to cease his attempts, so the resident went into his house, grabbed a handgun, and held the slow-on-the-uptake thief at gunpoint for the police.

Ol’ Tye is well known to the police and is said to be a heroin addict, no surprise there. Police stated that “This is not our first time dealing with him with car break-ins. He was just arrested not too long ago. He was also a suspect in a car break-in earlier today,” He has been charged with sixth-degree larceny, criminal attempt to commit the crime and second-degree breach of peace. For all that, he is held on only a $5,000 bond. Listeners are invited to speculate on how long this one man crime wave will remain behind bars.

 

Police said the homeowner was not hurt but cautioned other residents against confronting criminals.

Surviving a Home Invasion

Many of our DGUs involve home invasions. Unfortunately, home takeovers are becoming increasingly common as thieves become more brazen and violent.  With the home invasion, kidnapping, extortion, torture and murder of the Savopoulous family in Washington, DC, the Statfor Group has written an excellent article on Surviving a Home Invasion. The article is being offered free to non-subscribers. There is no way we could do this article justice trying to summarize it in a few words, so we urge every one of our listeners to follow the link in the show notes and read this potentially life-saving article.

 

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Alan emailed this one in with the subject line “Holding a bad guy at gunpoint”

 

Hi,

 

Let me start by thanking you for your podcast.  I listen to several different podcasts on a variety of topics, but I rank yours among the most anticipated each week.

 

From time to time someone mentions holding a bad guy at gunpoint until the police arrive. The question I have is how do you do that?  If I were the sort of person who makes a living divesting other people of their possessions, and I were to encounter an armed person not inclined to be a victim, I believe I would simply turn my back, raise my hands in the air and say in a loud clear voice “I’m going to walk away now, I’m not a threat to you.  If you shoot me you will be convicted of murder, if you try to stop me or even touch me you will be convicted of assault.  In either case you will also end up in civil court where me or my family will sue you for everything you and your family have or ever will have.  I’m leaving now, and you would be stupid to try to stop me.” In fact, based on recent news coverage, you could almost make the same speech to a Police Officer.

 

What do you think?

 

Alan Hammock

formerly of Houston, Texas

recently moved to Virginia.

 

PS, If you ever get tired of listening to podcasts, I suggest checking out librivox.org.  They have a catalog of hundreds, maybe thousands of books that have passed into the public domain, which are read by volunteers and available free of charge.  Jules Verne, Edger Rice Burrows, all the books you were supposed to read in high school literature class, books by authors you’ve never heard of, etc.  Most books date back to the early 1900’s or before. It is quite educational listening to hundred year old books and hearing the different attitudes and cultures of the past.  Its a wonderful resource for anyone who spends a lot of time in an activity which would benefit by the addition of mental stimulation.

 

Paul – Here is what I wrote back to Alan –

 

Hey Alan,

 

Thanks for writing in!  I just got home and have added your email to our show notes for Sunday’s show.

 

A few thoughts on your email, I will of course repeat these on the show.

 

#1 if they do stop what they are doing and slowly back away, you are correct that since they aren’t a threat that you could be convicted of murder if you do shoot. However there are a few circumstance where you are morally obligated to shoot a retreating felon EVEN if the threat has stopped. If you attend a MAG40 class this will be discussed. Let me just say that the chances are so remote to the extreme to be say while the chances are not 0 they are close.

 

#2 Holding someone at gunpoint is all about control and command.  Believe me that if I were to boost my voice out good and loud in the proper tone that I can make someone absolutely believe that if they twitch in the wrong way that I am able and prepared to shoot them.

 

#3 We need to differentiate the severity of what you are attempting to stop (or in the case of our conversation have just stopped). If they have just kicked down your door and have maybe stolen something… Let them go. If they have already killed, that is another story.

 

There really is no black and white here.

 

Finally on the point of police, you do seem to have a point with that considering all of the negative publicity in the mainstream media lately, however I really wouldn’t want to be the one to try it.  😉

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/more-lethal-help-from-the-federal-government/

There were 27 shootings in Baltimore over the Memorial day weekend. 19 people were robbed in New York City’s central park. Chicago had 12 people shot to death and an additional 47 shot and wounded over the same weekend.  Our oh-so-caring politicians had to show sympathy for this flood of blue-city blood.  Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, called for more gun control.

 

I pointed out that the violence is the symptom, not a cause.  The cause is the failed policies of deep-blue cities like Baltimore,  Detroit, New York City and Chicago.  You can’t fix stupid with gun-control.

 

I also spoke to a friend of mine.  He is a local spark plug and gets things started and done.  He started one step at a time, so I wrote an article called The Painless Ladder of Self-Defense Activism.

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/31/the-painless-ladder-of-self-defense-activism/

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money you would like to talk about?

 

I just want to mention a short post I did about the Brady Center lawyers on a case in Wisconsin. They have already had to withdraw from one case because they violated pre-trial publicity rules of the Wisconsin Bar. Now it looks like they will have to withdraw from another case in Milwaukee over the same issue. Their conduct is being alleged to be prejudicial to a fair jury. It looks like another misstep by the Bad Apple lawyers from the Brady Center.

 

This and other posts can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Episode 259 – Military Surplus

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, August 9th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Ken Kowalski of Rimfire Podcast.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also talk with Fil Thy about military surplus rifles
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster. We have our regular news and DGUs, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 259 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
JohnsonJohn – I had planned to go to the range today to sight in a couple of rifles. However, we had tons of rain. Probably as much as Rob gets in half a year out in California.

Rob – I took one of my new students to several ranges so she could see what is out there for sport training.  She saw a steel shoot, IPSC, USPSA and an IDPA match.  That was this morning.  I have to leave the show early for a private training class tonight.  It is called an ATF event; shooting, then drinks and cigars.

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Paul- You might remember that principled man of the people, Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper.  The Governor made another unplanned confession on video.  It turns out that Colorado sheriffs often earn less than their deputies.  This is because there are separate pay scales for hourly employees and for elected officers.  Hickenlooper said he agreed the pay gap was a problem.  Hickenlooper also said his hands were tied because his big donors, his bundlers, told him not to touch this issue in an election year.

This proves that campaign money talks in Colorado, and voters get lip service from governor Hickenlooper.

John- Governor Hickenlooper also said he was for the right of self defense.. before he was against it.

Paul- There was a recent conference in Washington DC discussing concealed carry on campus.  The bad news is that many campus administrators oppose armed self-defense.  The good news is that we don’t have to speculate how young armed men and women behave.  The administrators have fears, while we.. have.. data!

There have been no reported problems with permit holders in the nine states that allow permitted concealed handguns on campuses.  Those states are Colorado, Florida, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Utah, and Wisconsin.  In addition, Michigan and Texas provide data on permit revocations based on the permit holder’s age.  Experience shows that college age permit holders are as responsible or even more responsible than older permit holders.

John- Here is some perspective on that data from Florida and Texas. The rate of all crimes committed by police is about 6 times higher than the rate for concealed license holders in Texas.. and the rate is about 10 times higher than for license holders in Florida.  Much of the gun control debate focuses on things that might possibly go wrong.  Thanks to the work of Doctor John Lott at the Crime Prevention Research Center, now we know.

CC revocation by age

 

Matt- You said that Florida CCL holders are safer than Texas licence holders when compared to the police.  I looked at the data, and I can hear Rachel tell us that CCL holders from Texas are much safer than those from Michigan.  Yay Texas!

Matt- Campus administrators think they are a law unto themselves.  Boise State University in Idaho has a policy asking students and faculty to call 911 if they see a gun on campus – even if the firearm is carried legally.  Parrish Miller, a policy analyst for the Idaho Freedom Foundation, said “This is just such an outrageous policy.  We wouldn’t accept this at any other place in our society.”  Miller is concerned about the school’s insistence that students or faculty who see exposed firearms should call the police, who will then check if the weapon carrier holds the proper license.

John- I guess the school want us to call in the location of all the police on campus.  Yeah, sometimes the police wander off to the donut shop and get lost.

Paul- This story is about Maryland’s war on women.  It is easier for a Maryland business owner to get a concealed carry license because he carries cash, than for a woman to receive a license because she fears she may be attacked by an ex-lover.  More Maryland women have recently applied for state permission to own a handgun, but they are seldom allowed to carry for defense of themselves or their family.

Matt- That is bigotry against women and gun owners.

John- It looks like former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is going after any pro-gun politician he can find. Bloomberg’s anti-gun political action committee just bought $150,000 in ads to target outspoken gun rights activist Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke.  In response to the news of Bloomberg’s ads, Clarke said in a statement: “I trust the voters. The voters can’t be bought.”  The ad buys by Bloomberg’s PAC come on top of $400,000 in media ads purchased by the Greater Wisconsin Committee to try to beat Clarke, who is seeking his fourth term in Tuesday’s Democratic primary election.  Wisconsin gun owners, Sheriff Clark needs your help.

Paul – One does not need to be a Wisconsin resident to help out Sheriff Clarke. Plus this goes to show that it isn’t just Republicans who care about gun rights.

John- I dislike noisy neighbors, so this is good news.  Hunters in Florida may soon be able to shoot without waking the dead in several adjacent states.  A proposal from the Florida  Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission would allow hunters to legally use mufflers on their firearms when they hunt deer, turkey, gray squirrels, rabbits, quail and crows. Supporters say they can protect hunters’ hearing and irritation to their neighbors.  Opponents say we must muffle our vehicles so they don’t bother people, but muffled firearms are a danger to everyone because we won’t be deafened by them.  The proposal will be considered during the Commission’s meeting in September.

Paul- Firearm mufflers are required is several countries, and outlawed by some states in the US.

Paul- Can you shoot as well as a retired police officer?  The Los Angeles Police Department instituted a qualification course so they could grant concealed carry licenses to retiring officers. The course is fired at a man sized B-27 target at a distance of 7 yards.  There is no time limit to shoot the 10 round qualification.  All rounds impacting anywhere on the body and head will receive full value and rounds impacting upon the arms are half value.  A score of 70 percent is required to pass.

John- New Jersey Assemblyman Ron Dancer introduced a bill to bring some relief to gun owners traveling through New Jersey.  Quote “The sentences are mandatory. There’s no discretion with the judge or the court, no discretion, mandatory prison term.  It is unreasonable for anyone to be expected to be aware of all of the nuances of every gun law in every state.”

Dancer’s bill would give judges the option of not sending someone like Shaneen Allen to prison if the person from out of state is caught with a gun in New Jersey.

Paul- In Arizona, the police need a reason to frisk and search for firearms during a routine contact with a citizen.  The Arizona Supreme Court ruled that police cannot frisk a citizen unless they think the person is engaging in criminal behavior and is armed and dangerous.   The high court wrote that “police interactions with members of the public are inherently fluid, and what begins as a consensual encounter can evolve into a seizure that prompts Fourth Amendment scrutiny.  A reasonable person would not have felt free to disregard (the command to be frisked) from a law enforcement officer.. Officers must reasonably suspect both that criminal activity is afoot and that the suspect is armed and dangerous.”

Gun Quotes
“God grants liberty only to those who love it, and are always ready to guard and defend it.” – Daniel Webster

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 4 DGUs

Paul: Davion Smith is familiar with violent crime.  He had a lengthy arrest record.  The 14 year old Davion Smith was already a convicted felon with two convictions for armed robbery, a conviction for battery on a public or school employee, and a conviction for domestic burglary.  Smith and two others were taunting Virgis Canteen after Canteen accused them of robbing his apartment in Lakeland, Florida.  The argument escalated and Smith drew a handgun.  Smith is not allowed to have a handgun because of his age.  Smith is not allowed to have any firearm because of his prior criminal convictions.  Mr. Canteen was hit twice and then returned fire. The teen was pronounced dead at 8:25 p.m. at Lakeland Regional Medical Center.

Matt-The Wayne County, North Carolina, Sheriff’s Office says a woman will not face charges after shooting an alleged burglar at her home early Thursday morning. It happened around 4:30 a.m. on Providence Church Road in Goldsboro. Deputies said 28-year-old Paige Ham heard a noise at the back of her home and saw a lock was missing from a storage building out in the backyard. Ham had a roommate call 911 and went out with a gun to see if anything was stolen. That’s when 28-year-old Christopher Todd Brogden allegedly rushed out of the building towards her. Ham fired her gun, hitting Brogden. He was last reported in stable condition at Vidant Hospital in Greenville… (All’s well that ends well. Arizona does not adjust for daylight savings time so I’m uncertain how readily one could see that a lock was missing from a storage shed in North Carolina at 4:30 a.m. without illumination. How much risk would have there been in simply awaiting the response to the 911 call?)  http://abc11.com/news/woman-shoots-alleged-burglar-in-goldsboro/246910/

John – Kayla Walker of Enigma, GA  has a message for people who are the victims of a home invasion – fight back with everything you have. In her case, it was a hammer, a shotgun, and her hands. Tuesday afternoon, two men forced their way into her new home where she resided with her 10 month old son. After one man knocked her to floor and then straddled her shouting racial slurs, she head-butted him, grabbed him in the privates, and then choked him semi-unconscious. He revived after she pushed him off of her and starting fighting her. That’s when she hit him several times with a nearby hammer in the head and ribs. She then ran, grabbed her son, and retrieved her shotgun. “He said, ‘This is my new house. I’m here to stay.’ I said, ‘Not at this residence.’ I put the gun to his face and the gun clicked and he ran,” she said. Walker told deputies that she tried to shoot the intruders, but there was no shell in the chamber of the gun. She reported that the man ran away through the woods, leaving a trail of blood behind him. While she had a number of bruises from the incident, she nor her son suffered any serious injuries.  She has since ID’ed one of the men involved in a police lineup.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Brandon Combs sent us a link to his Buzzword Bingo game. We have the link in our show notes.fpc-buzzword-bingo1-791x1024

Rob, wrote about the DC City Council and how they responded to the Palmer case.  The article is called A Special Kind of Stupid in DC.   The article is up at Clash Daily, Ammoland and Rob’s blog, SlowFacts.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…
Matt: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Episode 256 – More Palmer vs DC News

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, July 30th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have our self-defense news.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about defensive gun use.

Rachel: so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on!  Episode 256 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I’ve registered for GRPC, booked my room, and bought my plane ticket.

Rob- Is Barb joining you this year?

Life is in the way of training.  I’ve been boxing up a few thousand pounds of books as we do some home repairs.  Went to a gun store while a friend bought a small Walther for his wife.

Rachel- Not much action on guns or politics – mostly just turning things down because I’m too busy. I *have* gotten some planning done for an introductory firearms course I’m teaching at a girls’ camp I’m leading next week.

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John – The District of Columbia was granted a stay in the Palmer case. While they had requested a 180-day stay, Judge Frederick Scullin, Jr. only granted them 90 days. The plaintiffs had previously said they wouldn’t object to a 90-day stay IF the city used that time to  enact remedial legislation within that time that was consistent with Constitutional standards.

Residents and visitors to DC did have a couple of days in which they could provide for their self-defense before the decision was stayed.  As we discussed on Saturday, the city is weighing its options and could very well appeal the decision.

Rob- I had a few thoughts on this.

  • I learned that one of the defendants in the Palmer case did not live in DC.  That is why the judge ruled that visitors retain the right of self-defense when they visit DC.  The judge therefore required that DC grant reciprocity so non-residents can carry.  That moves us much closer to universal reciprocity.
  • The DC law that was struck down regulated concealed carry.  DC still has bizarre laws about magazine capacity.  Unless I’m a registered DC gun owner, it remains illegal for me to have a spent cartridge case somewhere in my car because that is an unlawful ammunition component.  Of course I can’t register my firearm unless I’m a DC resident    I assume those crazy laws still stand and are ready to trap any gun owner passing through DC.  Travelers beware.
  • Another thought is that it took five years to get a judicial decision.  Too bad it didn’t take four years for the judge to grant a stay.

Rachel- Nothing bad happened on the one evening when DC residents could legally take their guns for a walk?  The Potomac River did not run red with blood?

No

No gun owners from Pennsylvania and Virginia robbing the disarmed people of DC?

No

No columns of smoke rising from the armed riots?

No

No guys running around like Mad Max and the Apocalypse?

Not that I’ve seen.

I didn’t think so.  I guess DC was a little like Texas for a few hours.

John- DC was more like North Carolina, because we can open carry.

Rachel- We try to bring you accurate news affecting self-defense.  We do not bring you propaganda or fantasies.  It looks like the National Broadcasting Corporation does exactly that.  The anti-gun media couldn’t let the defensive gun use story of Psychiatrist Silverman go unchallenged.  NBC ran a hit piece masquerading as news where they interviewed psychiatrists about the efficacy of armed self-defense.  Here are the money quotes.  The headline was “ Experts say Psychiatrists with Guns Likely More Harmful Than Helpful”.  From the article, quote “The idea of a psychiatrist having a weapon in his desk is entirely new to me. I haven’t heard of anything like it before.”  “My guess is that arming psychiatrists is more likely to be harmful than helpful.”  close quote.

There is no need to for these so-called experts to remain ignorant or offer us their guesses.  We have many years of self-defense experience under real-world conditions.  At worse, the data shows that armed citizens cause no harm, and save lives at best.  A psychiatrist claiming otherwise is.. crazy.

Comments – Doctors, heal yourself first.

Rob- If you say stupid gun laws in Burlington, I’d think of the Burlington, Vermont city council.  Had you said Burlington, Iowa, well you’d be right too.  The Burlington City Council considered regulations demanding city permission for children to have toy guns, replica guns and BB guns in public.  Violators would be subject to a 500 dollar fine.  It would  also demand that toy guns be carried in a gun case when transported in a car.   The excuse was that it was better to outlaw toy guns than train police to determine opportunity, intent, and capability rather than shoot on sight.  This is extremely strange because we require Iowa concealed license holders to determine opportunity, intent, and capability on a daily basis, and we think nothing of it.  The Des Moines County Attorney is probably at fault for tolerating this stupidity, though the regulation was finally voted down by the city.

John We recently reported on the case of Dr. Lee Silverman, a psychiatrist in the Philadelphia area, who used a personal handgun to end an attack in a hospital. He had been shot and a co-worker killed by the psychotic gunman. We speculated at the time whether or not Dr. Silverman would be fired. Good news – he won’t. Here is the statement from Mercy Health Systems on their Facebook page:

“We are thankful for the swift action of Dr. Lee Silverman, Dr. Jeffrey Dekret, John D’Alonzo and the other colleagues and visitors who took brave and difficult action during yesterday’s tragic event. We extend our condolences to Theresa Hunt’s family, and we are praying for Dr. Silverman’s speedy recovery. We look forward to Dr. Silverman’s return to serving patients at our hospital. We will do all we can to support the victims during this difficult time.

We continue to work with the Delaware County authorities to understand fully the details of the event. We are reviewing our policies and procedures to ensure a safe environment. We are committed to serving as a compassionate and healing presence in our communities, and we are grateful for the outpouring of community support.”

Rachel-  The patient had a gun because he was a crazy criminal.  The doctor had a gun because he wasn’t a crazy criminal.  The gun grabbers want the doctor disarmed so only crazy criminals have guns.  Does that make you feel safer?

Rachel- There is a culture change about the right of people to defend themselves.  The female host on The View ran an anti-gun ad from Everytown for Gun Safety.  They agreed it was an extremely emotional and effective ad showing a mother being shot during a custody dispute.  The conversation didn’t stop there.  Three of the hosts went on to say they had or wanted a gun in their home for protection.  They experienced the fear of a break-in or a stalker, and they wanted more than a phone for protection.  They counselled the one host who was afraid of guns with children in the home.  “Lock it up, and take a class to learn how to use it, but get a gun.”

Rob- Yes, we are bragging.  I saw an article in the Washington Post where they finally covered the story of Beretta moving from neighboring Maryland to Tennessee.  We covered that story weeks ago.  Use small words and talk slowly when you explain a story to the Washington Post.

Rachel- Alabama Attorney General Luther Strange is taking some heat for existing firearms legislation.  The AG supports legislation to ban the open carry of firearms in polling places. There were at least three cases where people open carried at the polls for the recent primary election.  That was when the Attorney General’s Office advised that government buildings that already ban guns can prohibit them when those locations double as polling places but the decision on whether to allow guns rests with the owners when voting takes place in churches or other private property.  Strange added that whatever stands he takes on proposals before the Legislature, he has to make sure they are constitutional. He cited a court ruling in the District of Columbia over the weekend striking down a law prohibiting people from having guns in public.

Rob- This sounds like either gun owners being stupid by open carrying at the polls, or anti-gun citizens deliberately provoking more gun regulations.  But wait, there is more.

Rachel- Phoenix police officers arrested a 54-year old man Friday after he pointed his AR15 rifle in the direction of two people at Sky Harbor International Airport.  The Tempe, Arizona man told officers he went to Sky Harbor International Airport to buy a cup of coffee and had no other business at the airport.  This gun owner has been at the airport with his rifle before.  In November 2013, several people alerted officers a man armed with an AR15 was standing in the baggage claim area apparently waiting for a passenger to arrive. At that time, the man was not charged; he did not commit a crime by simply carrying the weapon into the common area of the airport.   The recent incident was different because he took the rifle from his shoulder and muzzled two people.  The 54-year old gun owner now faces two counts of disorderly conduct with a weapon which is a felony.  I bet there is video that shows what our gun owner did.

Rob- I want gun owners to be great ambassadors.

John- Oklahoma lawmakers say that colleges and universities would be safer if students, faculty and staff were allowed to carry on campus.  University administrators disagree.  Rep. John Enns and Sen. Ralph Shortey argue that licensed gun owners should be able to protect themselves on state campuses. Enns said statistics show 20 percent of students will be assaulted at some point during their four years on campus. “I hear from a lot of parents of college kids, and I hear from college kids, as well,” he said. For anyone to say our college campuses are safe, that’s totally not true.” Currently, a licensed gun owner can carry a weapon on campus only with the written consent of the college president.

Oklahoma listeners, and those who have children who might attend Oklahoma schools should weigh in with their support.  Gun free zones are not safe for children.

Rob- It sounds like your voices were heard by Washington DC legislators.  Gun retailers are no longer on a hit list deemed “high risk” by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp.  Federal banking regulators formally removed firearms dealers and manufacturers from the list of “high risk” industries being punished as part of the Obama administration’s “Operation Choke Point.”  Richard Osterman, the agency’s acting general counsel, admitted to the American Banker newspaper Monday that the no fund list had been “misinterpreted” by financial institutions… “If you empower the government to pick winners and losers within lawful enterprises, then there’s no place to stop.”

John- Rob, it could have been us.. or it could have been the porn industry shutting down “operation choke point”.  The political results aren’t that clear cut.

John- Connecticut gun owners are getting active and not taking gun restrictions lying down.  After spending a year holding protests and challenging the law through the court system, politically active gun owners in Connecticut have focused their efforts on the Aug. 12 primary.  They want to help Greenwich businessman Tom Foley defeat state Senate Minority Leader John McKinney in the race for the Republican nomination to run for governor. Republican Senator McKinney enraged gun owners with his soft support of armed self-defense.  Scott Wilson is founder and the president of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League and we’ve had him on the Polite Society Podcast before.  Wilson said  “we’re eager to see John McKinney out of this race as soon as possible.”   80 members of the Connecticut Citizens Defense League became voting delegates to the Connecticut Republican Party convention where the party chose Foley over McKinney.

North east gun owners have a few weeks to get busy.

Rachel- You can have a bad day in a gun friendly state.  The cops raided the wrong house in Portsmouth, Virginia.  The homeowner saw a bunch of guys dressed in black on his front porch.  Then one of the uninvited visitors pointed a rifle at the homeowner and painted a laser on the homeowner’s shirt.  The homeowner got his gun and shot through the window, and ran out the back.  That is when police identified themselves and the homeowner dropped his gun.  The police pressed charges against the homeowner, and a jury threw the charges out. Now the  homeowner is free to sue the city.

Rob-I hope the homeowner wins a huge lawsuit.  This swat team should be fired along with their supervising officer.

John- Gun Quotes- “The maintenance of the right to bear arms is a most essential one to every free people and should not be whittled down by technical constructions.”    – Supreme Court of North Carolina, in State v. Kerner, 1921. This is the decision that is the basis for the right of North Carolinians to open carry firearms in the state.

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 3 Interviews

Rob’s apologies.

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel-  A Madison County [TN] homeowner shot a 16-year-old boy who was breaking into his house, wounding the teen, according to the Sheriff’s Office. About 10 a.m. Sunday, the Madison County Sheriff’s Office received a 911 call about the burglary in progress in the 1400 block of Denmark-Jackson Road. The investigation revealed that the homeowner saw a young man walk past his front window, the Sheriff’s Office said in a news release. A short time later the homeowner heard tapping at the back bathroom window. He then saw a brick being thrown through the window. As the burglar was entering the bathroom window, the homeowner shot at him, authorities said. Deputies came across the young man while canvassing the area. He had two gun shot wounds to the arm and was taken to a local hospital. He was charged with aggravated burglary. They are still looking for another burglar.

Rob- Ayatollah Mohammad was charged with domestic violence on Tuesday.  By Wednesday, the police removed Mohammad from a home in Locust Fork, Alabama where his ex-girlfriend lived.  Mohammad didn’t take the hint.  It appears Mohammad walked the seven miles back to the home to resume his attack.  The ex-girlfriend’s son was on the scene, and the 14 year old son shot Mohammad when he came at his mother.  The case will be presented to the grand jury but no charges are expected.

John – I will admit to being a little conflicted about this next DGU. Five men were seeking to elude police in Linn County, Iowa. They were being chased by police when they crashed into a Solon resident’s front yard and took off on foot. Two bystanders, Tim Moore and Scott Eastwood, who lived in the neighborhood saw them hiding drugs and a firearm in Moore’s yard. Eastwood, a CCW holder, and Moore then chased them down in a pickup truck, listened to their false story, played along with them, and when they got them into the truck, Eastwood held them for cops at gunpoint. Police soon arrived to take them into custody and the five were charged with interference with official acts with injury on a peace officer. Other charges may be pending.

Rachel – Benjamin Beaudoin, 34, of Mendota Heights, Minnesota ended up bloody after he botched a home invasion. That should have been his lesson. However, he then decided to invade the home of 72 y.o. Ethel Himes in Ray, a far northern Minnesota town, and he began to choke the elderly lady. Her son, Brad, came upon the scene and went to get his handgun. He was followed and attacked by Beaudoin. He was able to stop the attack by shooting and killing Beaudoin. No charges have been filed against Mr. Himes. Beaudoin’s family is saying he had a traumatic brain injury as a teen and was a recovering alcoholic who was struggling with powerful migraine headaches and an undiagnosed mental illness. This supposed brain injury did not stop Beaudoin from graduating both high school and Bemidji State University with a degree in … psychology.

John-  Robbery is dangerous, even if there are four thieves trying to rob one man.  It is dangerous because you never know who is behind the counter of the store you’re trying to rob.  In this case, three men and a get-away driver waited in their white SUV for the store manager to arrive with small bills from the bank.  They attacked the store manager as he stepped from his car at this Houston Convenience store/gas station.  Mayura Dissanyake works as a store clerk, but he didn’t stand and watch.  Instead, he jumped in and beat three of the criminals.  When he isn’t selling coffee and gasoline, Mayura is a semi-professional fighter in mixed martial arts.  After the other thieves drove off, Mayura beat one of the thieves so he would stay still until the police arrived.

Rob- That clerk is always armed, though not with a firearm.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rachel- This in from a listener in Arizona.

I was aware of the NRA, and joined a couple of months ago when I decided to support gun-ownership and gun-rights. I had heard of the Second Amendment Foundation, but had no idea it was as important as the NRA, or, in light of Saturday’s court ruling, I had no idea of the important work it is doing and the results it is getting until now.

Therefore, seeing its monumentally effective endeavors , I joined the SAF yesterday. I encourage everyone to do the same. It’s the most important issue of our time here in the USA, and if want to keep ourselves educated, safe and free Americans, we all need to support those who can best accomplish the tasks at hand. And, it’s surprisingly inexpensive to become a member. 5 years for only $50 to get our Constitutionally protected rights restored? It’s a real deal, folks.

Regards,

Ken Silva

Phoenix, AZ

the NRA, GOA, and SAF are different organizations.

Rob- Thanks to listeners Greg Tabor and Anthony Lucafo for their news and DGU tips.  It is great to have you at our back.

Rob- The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

By the time this episode goes online, I’ll have another article out that compares how New Jersey lets millionaire sports celebrities go free after they assault someone, and how New Jersey jails single moms who drive through their state with a legal firearm.  That is third-world justice.  The article will be up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog.

John, do you have anything on your blog, Only Guns and Money you want to tell our listeners about?

Impressions on the win in Palmer v. DC.

Rachel- Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the weekend show…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Frank Fiamingo and Kyle Coplin

Personal news from each participant
Rob- Magazines. One jam and done. This one lasted about 1500 rounds and has been dropped many many times.
Tried to order ammunition online after the vendor announced a sale. I forgot my login information. Couldn’t reset. by the time the company got back to me, the ammunition was out of stock. Went to Walmart.

Rachel: My Texas Firearms Freedom news – our activists have filled up a table at a fundraiser dinner for a State Rep candidate here in Texas who strongly supports gun rights, including Constitutional Carry (TJ Fabby). That’s Tuesday, April 22, if any fellow Texans want to come, too. I’ve packed my shoot box and am ready for nearly 60 shooters for Friday’s “Ïntroduction to Appleseed” event.

John – I spent the weekend at the Mother Earth News Expo in Asheville. I wasn’t sure what to expect but I had a good time and saw a number of gun rights supporters based upon their T-shirts. I also attended a few presentations on essential life skills like making sausage and cutting up a sheep and a hog.

Paul: I am taking a new position at my company. I am going to start running regional. That means that I will only be on about ½ of the Wednesday recording sessions and starting April 26th EVERY Saturday broadcast will be live from ABN Army Surplus! This is a huge move for me. It means home time on a more regular basis and while my income might theoretically drop a small amount over time it will be far more stable.

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Rachel-36 citizens were shot in Chicago over the weekend, or about one an hour. Four of the shootings were fatal. None of them were by licensed concealed carry holders. Chicago Police Department spokesman Adam Collins blamed others by saying “..we continue to be challenged by lax state and federal gun laws.” It looks like the Chicago model of destroying jobs and disarming citizens is hazardous to your health.

Rob- As many as one million New York residents broke the law yesterday. That was the deadline to register their rifles under the New York SAFE Act. It looks like most citizens decided to practice civil disobedience rather than submit to arbitrary laws. This is a serious decision. Connecticut and New Jersey take note.

John- Barry Elliot of the youtube channel Iraqveteran died of a heart attack this weekend. Barry posted a lot of videos about guns, shooting and firearms history. He offered his insights and experience to new shooters and experts alike, from odd firearms to the outstanding. Barry hosted more than 80 episodes.

Paul -Elections have consequences, and so do votes in Tennessee. Pressure from Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam killed a bill to allow open carry of a handgun without a permit. The legislation had already passed the state senate, but Haslam had the bill killed in house committee. Remember this vote when a political party asks you for money or campaign help. These days I only donate to individual candidates or campaigns.

Rachel- The US department of justice criticized the Albuquerque police department for a pattern of excessive use of force in a practice that routinely violated people’s constitutional rights. The Albuquerque department killed 23 and wounded 14 others over 37 events in the last four years. The DOJ report said officers were not officially reprimanded after officers violently restrained, kicked or punched non-threatening individuals. Quoting the New York Times, “Many of the victims suffered from mental illnesses, and some were disabled, elderly or drunk.” The report suggested 44 remedies, but did not suggest a federal monitor of the department.

Paul- We’ve pointed out many times that concealed carry holders are more law abiding and less likely to injure the innocent than are police. I’d like the police to improve their record.

Rob- One Utah Sheriff is being proactive. Weber county sheriff Terry Thompson said he is still shaken by the murders at Sandy Hook and wants to train school staff to make sure Utah schools are prepared. Utah is one of a handful of states that allow loaded firearms on school property with a concealed carry permit — as long as the firearm remains on the employee’s person and not in their desk, purse or jacket. Sheriff Thompson said, “Our interest is to make sure our academic environments are able to protect our kids. The program actually began after teachers asked us what they can do to be prepared. A lot of parents were also coming forward to their children’s teachers asking ‘What are you going to do to protect my child?’.”

Besides granting a concealed carry permit, the classes teach Weber county educators what law enforcement’s response will be and how to best work with police, while keeping their students out of harm’s way. Some instructors took the class simply to know how police respond to an emergency. One employee said “In the end, we’re responsible for the kids we teach. In fact we always refer to them as ‘our kids.’ Nothing is more important to us than ensuring their safety.”

Utah PTA President Liz Zentner said the option to carry a firearm should be up to the school district and the individual. The next classes are scheduled for late June or early July after school closes for the year.

John- Anthony, one of our listeners sent in an email telling us about this next story. -On a different planet than Utah, former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg plans to spend $50 million campaigning against the National Rifle Association. Bloomberg is spending the cash to create a new grassroots network with members around the nation who support gun registration and confiscation. He’s calling it Everytown for Gun Safety.

Bloomberg’s initial advertisement is aimed at scaring women away from owning firearms and scaring women away from those who support a woman’s right to choose armed self-defense.

Larry Pratt, director of Gun Owners of America, said he’s not feeling the threat, however. “Bloomberg’s got the money to waste, so I guess he’s free to waste it. But frankly, I think he’s going to find out why his side keeps losing.”

Isnt’ that a contradiction for a billionaire to spend millions on a “grass roots” movement? The NRA has 5 million members who pay a few bucks a year.

Rob- Rachel, have people told you that self-defense isn’t appropriate for women?

Rachel- :mini-rant: 🙂 (more please) (remember you asked for it…..) (yep, I asked.)

Rob- Bloomberg’s group wanted to confiscate guns from any household where there was a report of domestic violence. That disarms every victim of domestic violence. I hear Laura Carno saying “Don’t you dare tell me how to defend myself!”

John – I know this might not be polite to say on the Polite Society Podcast but anti-gun politicians are like cockroaches: They hate to have the light shined on their actions. Illinois State Sen. Dan Kotowski who was the Exec Director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence prior to his being elected to the Illinois State Senate in 2007 says his town hall meeting tomorrow in Roselle is not about gun control. He is accusing the Illinois State Rifle Association of lying about it in an alert to their members. He has called their alert, “reckless, irresponsible, and dangerous.” Richard Pearson of ISRA responds that he wants the gun controllers to realize that we are out there and watching their actions. Kotowski tried to get a new Illinois assault weapons ban (sic) plus a mag ban passed last year and narrowly failed thanks to the opposition of the NRA, ISRA, and other gun rights organizations.

John- Here is a quote from a college professor and fellow North Carolinian. “The gun control extremist has at least two things in common with the Islamic extremist. He has a willingness to die for his fundamental beliefs. And he has the sanctimony to demand that others go with him.” – Dr. Mike Adams who teaches Criminology at UNC-Wilmington.

Rob- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this interview with Kyle Coplin of the Armed Citizen Project.
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Segment 4 DGUs
Rob- John and Rachel, do you remember Kyle when we were in Houston?

Rob- While making a delivery, a pizza delivery man was attacked by four people in Buffalo, New York. They hit him on the head and body. At least one of the assailants was masked and used a hammer to beat the driver. This delivery driver has a licence to carry concealed. He was, and used his pistol to defend himself. He shot the masked man, one 18 year old DeJuan Coleman, who is now in police custody and listed in fair condition.

John – In keeping with Paul’s dictum that nothing good happens after midnight, a Flint MI homeowner shot and killed a 17 year old home invader sometime after midnight on Monday morning after the homeowner heard the sounds of his house being broken into. The 17 year old’s body was found about a block away. His 3 accomplices are now in jail awaiting arraignment on home invasion charges. This makes the third home invasion in Flint for the month of April in which the homeowner had to respond with lethal force to a home invasion. Unlike the criminals, no homeowner was injured in these home invasions.

Rachel- Last Monday, 41-year-old Robert Trevino decided to go jewelry shopping at Harpers Jewelry Store in Elgin, Texas, just a few miles east of Austin – except, he apparently had decided he didn’t want to pay for his jewelry. He approached the owner, Juan Torres, with a hammer in his hand. Torres responded with some well-placed shots from his 12-gauge shotgun – and then, with the main burglar dead, turned his attention to the accomplices in the parking lot. When he finished, two were wounded (and later taken into custody), and several others had simply fled the scene. It turns out that Trevino’s criminal record includes a burglary at this same store a couple of weeks ago. Guess this one didn’t turn out so well for him.

Paul-We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend. We’ll be right back after this Tips-and-Tricks segment with Kenn Blanchard.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Paul- Anthony sent us this email
Funny. When I read the article, I didn’t see “gun violence” stated, but rather “gang violence.”
Huh. I must have missed something.
Love the show. Keep it up.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-79917002/
(“In his first visit to Chicago since becoming director of the FBI, James Comey said today he is “painfully aware” of the city’s seemingly intractable gun violence and plans to direct more federal resources at the problem.
Comey, who was in town meeting with staffers in his Chicago field office, told reporters in a brief news conference at the FBI’s headquarters on the West Side that new congressional funding will allow for 2,000 new hires nationally over the next year and a half.”)
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John – This email comes from Jake:

I know this would be the third week you’ve addressed this topic, but I recently read this interesting article and thought I’d pass it along.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26921743
This study claims that violence related to video gaming is correlated with how frustrating the video game is, and not how violent it is. Games modified to have counter-intuitive controls or where the player was not given a tutorial on how to play were the ones that produced violent behavior, whereas there was no difference between the group that played the violent version and the one that played the neutered, non-violent one.
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Rachel- This email comes from Ken
Paul,

My Mom taught us to never point our toy guns at anyone. We only pointed our guns at make-believe bad guys. Never at our friends. It was true that the Shootin’ Shell snubbies could put your eye out, so it was a valuable lesson.

50 years between my gun acquisitions, I still hear that admonition ringing in my head. Lessons learned young do indeed stay with us. Thanks, Mom.

Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

PS Here are the 2 guns I reference. Shootin’ Shell 38 by Mattel. LCP .380 by Ruger. 50 years since my last gun!

Rob- Finally a comment off of our website from Fred:
Listen to you guys all the time. You ask for state firearm organizations well I am in Nebraska and we have The Nebraska Firearms Owners Association. (NFOA). Hard to believe Toby never mentioned it when he was there. Love the pod cast.

Thanks
Fred

I’d like to wish Paul good luck on his new political endeavor. Way to set the example for us and get involved. I think Rachel is getting through to you guys.
Keep representing gun owners in a positive light.

Rachel: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes. They are located by our old name, Politics and guns. Hot links are in our show notes.

John: We’re experimenting with the show all the time. Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike. You can contact the show by e-mail. Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com.. Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rachel: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on the the Crusader Podcast Network.
Also please listen to The Modern Self Protection Podcast, Ben Branham isn’t on our network, but he will be a guest on our show we record on the 26th of this month.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Joining two makes you a hero. Supporting all four makes you a super hero. (Do we get a cape?) 🙂

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, ,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

John: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rachel: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 222 – Shooter Ready Radio, George Hill and Ken Kowalski

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, March 22nd, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have shooter ready radio as guests.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
George: I’m George Hill, author of Uprising USA
Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop, the one who REALLY runs the show here. So climb aboard!
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 222 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant
Rob: I donated to James Kaleda. Have you? I also mailed in my NRA ballot. I voted for Collandro and Hill.

John: I’m sorry I couldn’t make it on Wednesday. I had an out of town business meeting that wasn’t optional. Like Rob, I mailed in my NRA ballot which included Anthony Colandro who was on the show Wednesday.

I’d like to ask our listeners to remember Bob Mayne of the Handgun World Podcast and David Codrea, the National Gun Rights Examiner, in their thoughts and prayers. Bob is battling a serious illness ( do we want to say cancer?) and David is in the hospital recovering from two broken ribs plus pneumonia.

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Rob’s rant- Please take this to heart. This is from my friend Jay Wells. Last week her friend got tangled up with New York City. You know something is wrong when you hear the words, “I spent the weekend in jail.” This guy was visiting family in New York when the good Samaritan called 911 while he was driving because his passenger became sick and needed immediate aid. The passenger got medical attention, but the police arrived as well. Then, the law searched my friend’s vehicle. No one was inhospitable or uncooperative nor aggressive. The polite policeman in charge calmly explained about how there were times to ignore minor offenses, but they could not overlook the tool laying all by its lonesome on the console. The man spent the weekend of March 15th in jail for a pocket knife. I am surprised no one goes to jail for possession of a butter knife.

This is like a speeding ticket. The city is simply raising money by picking on travelers. Pay the fine or pay the consequence. For most of us it’s like stepping into a whole other world, a different dimension that transports you back to small town southern sheriffs who fine you “because you not from around here, are ya” I expect this from corrupt third world police, but not from New York City cops who arrive with emergency medical personnel.

Believe it. It will happen to you, and it is a felony. You will pay thousands of dollars to your New York City lawyer and more in fines to get the charges pled down to a misdemeanor.

I know something else. I know why you don’t believe this story. You don’t want to face the injustice in our own backyard. I don’t visit New York. Not even the airports. Nada.
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http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th and it is sponsored by Connecticut Citizens Defense League.  Connecticut deserves our support.

1) -In a decision released Thursday by the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, in the case of Baker v. Kealoha, the court followed the lead of the recent Peruta case to declare Hawaii’s restrictions on firearms carry unconstitutional under the Second Amendment.

The case was heard by the same trio of judges who sat on the earlier Peruta and Richards cases in California, which challenged the state’s restrictive ‘may issue’ policies that required concealed carry permit applicants to show “good cause” to warrant a permit. The judges, O’Scannlain,  Thomas and  Callahan, heard Baker in December 2013 and issued their findings Thursday.

Next Wednesday is the last day to file an appeal for a review by the entire court.  There is no timeline for the court to accept the case. (Rob has coments)

2) -There are also California counties who won’t wait for the judges to rule. Yvonne Freeman is 66 years old and has lived in California more than 30 years. She says the darn notice she got from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department about her concealed weapon permit application is unreasonable.  Her interview appointment was July 26 which seems more than three months away.. at first.   Then Yvonne looked closer.  “It was July 26, 2016.  I might be dead by 2016, she said.  By law, the application process can only take 90 days, which is why the sheriff’s department delays the “initial interview”.

3)- The school curriculum expanded unexpectedly at the Riverside campus of Austin Community College.  There were two separate incidents of carjacking next to the school.  That makes sense for a criminal, because while it could be a zone of overlapping law enforcement from both Austin and the college, in this case both departments were caught unaware.  The victims said two men brandishing a handgun tapped on the window and told the student to get out of the car.  Remember that campus carry is outlawed in Texas, so students are disarmed both on campus, and as they travel to school.  Those gun free school zones leave students at greater risk.  The Austin police issued an “alert” to students telling them they are likely victims.

4)- Here is a different lesson from school. Pueblo county, Colorado students went to a shooting range after studying Revolutionary War history. Well done, Craver middle school and Project Appleseed. The appleseed program has a history segment for the classroom called Libertyseeds.  These teachers took advantage of it.  They brought history alive and made sure the students learned gun safety.  Pueblo, Colorado is a long way from Boulder.

Rob’s comment- We were talking about school education on the Polite Society staff page only the other day. Dreams do come true.

5)-A local gun range is stepping up to host a crime prevention workshop. A few days ago we commented on Jitterz Java, a coffee shop that had been robbed three times in the last month, and now the baristas are armed.  Jitterz is in a neighborhood that has suffered a crime wave.  There have been eight Spokane business robberies in the last month.  Sharp Shooting gun range, as well as the Spokane County Sheriff’s Department, want people to know how to safely use their weapons. Even more importantly, they want them to know the law!  That is why Sharp Shooting wants to educate business owners about safe business practices whether they carry a firearm or not.

6)-The crazy senator from California is at it again.  Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein circulated a letter on Capitol Hill calling for a ban on importing semi-automatic rifles.  The ban reinterprets the 1968 gun control act and would target attributes like “thumbhole stocks” and “semi-automatic rifles with fixed or detachable magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds”.  This would prohibit import of tube-fed .22 rimfire rifles.  Crazy Dianne said “Prohibit the importation of assault pistols, in addition to assault rifles.”  Dianne took her language right from the Brady Campaign by calling common handguns “assault pistols”.  The letter does not appear on her Senate.gov webpage where the people of california can read it.  We have a link to the entire letter in our show notes.

Rob has comments.  I’m sorry the fruits and nuts of California elected Feinstein.Will President Barack Obama use his phone and his pen to circumvent the legislature?

John: In other news from the US Senate, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is pushing a bill called the Media Shield Law. As part of the bill, it would define who is and isn’t a journalist and thus protected by the First Amendment’s guarantee of a free press. This bill would protect what David Codrea has long called “authorized journalists” but would not protect us here at the Polite Society Podcast nor Rob or myself as bloggers. Given that Operation Fast and Furious – the ATF’s gun walking effort – was discovered through the efforts of bloggers – or, more appropriately,  citizen journalists -, this bill is a travesty. If we had a press that was something more than an adjunct to the White House Office of Communications or Democratic National Committee, it might not be so critical. However, we don’t and it is critical that this bill be stopped. Unfortunately, it looks likes at least five Senate Republicans have bought into this nonsense. It is time to call your Senator on this one and say no.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

Gun Quotes
Our Founding Fathers were proud that Americans were trusted with arms because they knew that only when people are armed could they truly be thought of as free citizens. And that’s where the circle closes. Those who want to deprive you of your right to keep and bear arms are intending to deprive you of your freedom, period. Like the criminals their policies encourage, these elitists know that it is always best to disarm victims before you enslave them. — Charley Reese

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-Early this past Monday morning in Charlotte, NC , Issac Ray Carelock thought it would be a smart thing to do to try and force his way into his ex-girlfriend’s house by kicking in the door. Unfortunately for him, she was armed. When he pointed his firearm at her, she fired four times. Police found him dead on the porch when they arrived. The Mecklenburg County DA is examining the case to see whether any charges will be brought.

(Paul’s comment – Flowers and chocolates always work better than kicking in a door.)

-Neighbors noticed a burglary in progress and called police to a locked and unoccupied home in Red Bluff, California.  They saw a man pushing a riding lawn mower from the back yard to the road in front of the house along with a full golf club caddie and tools.  An armed neighbor intervened and safely held Camron Michael Crismon at gun point for the short time until deputies arrived.  Deputies found that Crismon, age 39, had caused damage to the residence and surrounding gates and had spray painted graffiti on the residence.  Crismon was booked at Tehama County Jail for felony burglary, possession of stolen property and vandalism.  His bail was set at $80,000.

(Paul has a comment on this one too)

-An attempted robbery in Memphis, Tennessee early Tuesday left the attacker dead.  A man and a women in their 20s were the intended victims.  They were inside an apartment complex in the Whitehaven neighborhood when a man approached with a gun and demanded their valuables.  The couple fought back instead.  The female victim grabbed the suspect’s gun during the struggle and fired several shots, striking both the suspect and her male companion.  The suspect was pronounced dead when police arrived. The male victim was taken to a local hospital where he is expected to recover.  The news reports include comments from the neighbors who have little sympathy for the dead assailant.

Rob’s comments-  Wouldn’t it be better to bring your own gun rather than have to borrow the criminal’s gun?  Also, I can hear the liberal city councilwoman from Memphis saying they need more gun control and we’d save lives by stopping these illegal gun transfers.. when a victim disarms a criminal.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
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Listener e-mail discussion

Paul – From Logan on our Facebook site:

In response to Paul’s rant about the Sheep, Wolf, Sheep dog analogy. This is my take on it.

Sheep = people in condition white, “Someone will always be there to keep me safe and take care of me.”

Wolf = The bad guy, armed and dangerous with little to no moral compass.

Sheep Dog = Anyone who has taken their safety and their family’s safety as their responsibility and are alert for dangers. Not necessarily the good guy arresting the bad guys, or the good guy who “saves the helpless sheep”. While there are situations where that would be the case (Aurora, Colorado) in most situations you’re right, it could do more harm than good if you don’t know what’s really going on. And like you said, the sheep dog takes directions from the Shepherd.

Shepherd = God (or your source of guidance for your moral compass pointing to good)

Love the show, I’ve been a listener for about a year and look forward to having a chance to listen every week. Thanks for all you guys and gal do.

Rob – Jeremy from Email:

Just listening to the latest podcast (not done with it yet) I had to write about the sheep and sheepdog thing.  Wolves are not evil or bad, they do what they do to survive.  That is different than criminals that go out looking for trouble because they won’t get regular work.  That is why I have never liked that analogy.
I do agree it is an easy concept for people to understand, but has always been flawed.  That is in contrast to your wonderful show.  Keep it up!

John – Rick in Wyoming also sent an Email

How about adding my state’s freedom group to your list?  WyGO (Wyoming Gun Owners Ass.)  I listen to every show while driving, and sometimes WATCH from truck stops all over the west.  Too cool.

Rob & Rachel: I know Paul can be a rough boss, but hang in there.  The mix of personalities is great.

Keep it up, guys.

Rick in Wyoming.  (Well, sometimes I’m in Wyoming.   I’m a truck driver.)

Paul – James emailed this in:

I thought y’all might be interested to know what is going on in the Arizona Legislature this year. Here is the latest update from AZCDL:

All AzCDL-requested bills passed out of their originating chamber (House or Senate) last week and were heard in committee this week before the March 21 deadline.  With the state budget being negotiated as this is written, the session could come to an end within weeks, and so all bills must effectively be immediately ready to send to the Governor.  We will need your assistance in contacting your Legislators as bills approach Committee of the Whole (COW) and floor votes.

The following firearms bills have crossed chambers, passed out of committee and are still viable.  The status of all the bills that AzCDL is watching this session can be found on our Bill Tracking page.

HB 2103, the AzCDL-requested bill lowering the age limit for CCW permit eligibility to 19 for those with military service, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2322, which was amended in the House so that it would only provide data on mental health adjudications to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background System (NICS) system, as required by federal law, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee hearing on March 19.  As long as no further amendments are added to the current language of this bill, our position will remain neutral.

HB 2336, which clarifies that law enforcement officers cannot carry a firearm and consume alcohol at licensed liquor establishments unless in the performance of their duties, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2338, the AzCDL-requested bill that adds to the definition of Aggravated Assault the illegal taking, or attempted taking, of a legally possessed (i.e., your) firearm, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2339, the AzCDL-requested bill that would allow CCW permit holders to carry in public buildings unless everyone entering is screened for weapons, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2443, which would allow active duty military personnel stationed in Arizona to obtain hunting permits, passed out of the Senate Natural Resources and Rural Affairs (NRRA) committee hearing on March 19.

HB 2483, which would strengthen the protection of the lawful use of firearms, air guns and archery equipment on private property, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2517, which would add penalties for cities and counties violating state firearms preemption law, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2535 (amended), which would require local law enforcement to sign required NFA transfers within 60 days after receiving a request for certification, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

SB 1063, the AzCDL-requested bill that would make “no firearms” signs on public buildings unenforceable unless the statutory weapons storage requirements are followed, passed out the House Judiciary Committee on March 20.

SB 1118, dealing with criminal trespass by hunters, passed out of the House Public Safety, Military and Regulatory Affairs (PSMRA) Committee on March 12 and House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1266 (amended), which would allow judicial officials to carry non-prohibited weapons in their workplace, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13 and the House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1366 (replaced SB 1064), which clarifies that a firearm, by definition, uses a burning propellant, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13.

The following bills did not survive the March 21 deadline.

HB 2412, which would allow designated individuals meeting certain training requirements to carry firearms on K-12 school grounds, was never scheduled for a House Committee of the Whole (COW) debate or Third Read vote.

SB 1294, which would void (in Arizona) any federal law that violates the Second Amendment, was never scheduled for a Senate COW debate or Third Read vote.

As bills progress we will keep you informed via these alerts.  Watch for our Action Alerts on bills needing your help using our Legislative Action Center.

Don’t forget!  Every AzCDL member who sends the emails we generate from our Legislative Action Center will be entered into our raffles for Brownells gift certificates.

These alerts are a project of the Arizona Citizens Defense League (AzCDL), an all-volunteer, non-profit, non-partisan grassroots organization.

AzCDL – Protecting Your Freedom .

James

John – Finally we got an email from a Listener who wishes to remain nameless

http://m.wmctv.com/#!/newsDetail/25018724
Paul
This is a link to a local story. This , to me , is a perfect argument for not restricting magazine capacity. Ten shots fired and no one hit. As you often say, a little inside baseball. Since we are a relatively small suburb of Memphis, and I have family that works for the police dept. , I have had the opportunity to train with some of these guys and in my eyes, they are good. I talked to one of the guys on the swat team and asked him how this happens. His only response was that you have no way to train for the amount of stress that this puts on a person, even those with high levels of training. I don’t know if you would use
this on a show, but if you feel it is airworthy, then by all means use it. I only ask that you not use my name because I don’t know if anyone of my contacts in the pd listen, and I would not want to compromise any of my friends and family. One question about the podcast, what is going on with the timer ?
Recently, I have noticed the stated time for the show is actually shorter than the actual show. If the show says it is say 1 hour long, my timer will run to 0:00 and the show is still going strong.  Not that this is a big deal, just wondering what was up. I love the show and I love the cohorts past and present.

Keep up the good work and if you ever travel I-40 through the Memphis area I would like to meet with up and maybe buy you lunch or a cold beverage , or maybe hit the range, since there is a nice indoor range just a couple of miles off 40 with a nice big parking lot.
This email is beginning to drag, and I really need to get back to work. Thanks again for all you are doing.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John : We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association Wyoming Gun Owners Association, and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 219 – Kyle Bacon

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, March 12th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Kyle Bacon of The Search and Assess Podcast
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 219 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant
John: Not much on the shooting front from me as I’m still waylaid with my ankle. I did register for my media credentials to the NRA Annual Meeting.
Rachel: Participated in the CATI-TX open carry march in downtown Austin. We did it today since the SWSX festival is going on right now. Great turn-out and lots of positive interaction – except with a Canadian gun rights activist. Also preparing to staff a booth at the A Girl And A Gun conference next week – anyone coming?
Rob: Training has to be fun, so I’m setting up a dry-practice, and dinner evening with friends. I’m also writing my next article.
Paul: Doing the firearms arm and disarm tango as I cross state lines.
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Rob- In California, the right to carry a firearm in public remains tangled in the ninth circuit court. Some counties issue a license, and some don’t. Desert Hot Springs is a town of about 30 thousand in the California Desert. The town is about 100 miles east of Los Angeles, but miles away in attitude. The chief of police in Desert Hot Springs understands the problem facing citizens. In fact, he came out for citizen self-defense. Police Chief Dan Bressler said, “There are a lot of gang members running around the Coachella Valley who are armed… I think it’s time for us to issue concealed weapons licenses to the law-abiding people of this city. I believe this will deter crime and help people feel safer.”

Thank you, Chief Bressler. You sound like the Chief in Detroit and the Sheriff of Milwaukee, so you are not alone.

Rachel- Come And Take It Texas joined the scene at the South By Southwest festival in downtown Austin today. Around 100 peaceful, law-abiding open carry activists carried their long guns up and down the streets among performing bands, food stands, crowds of festival attendees (including international tourists), and hordes of keenly interested media. CATI-TX has a great track record of conducting safe, friendly, educational walks in their mission to educate the public on their rights to carry, their responsibility to stand up for liberty and be prepared for their own defense, and the crime-stopping effect of open carrying.  If you’re in Texas, check out your local chapter at www.catitx.com. [shoutout to whiskey5a & CWW]

Rob- Is anyone else tired of schools with “zero tolerance” policies?  I think it is time we start a zero tolerance of stupidity policy!  This school south of Cleveland flunked the stupid test.  18 year old Jordan Wiser is not on a college track, but I think he is squared away.  He attended Ashtabula County Technical and Career Campus in Jefferson, Ohio.  He has already completed a law enforcement course, and received certificates for Terror Defense and Terror Recognition from the Federal Emergency Management Agency.  He has a certificate as an Emergency Vehicle Operator.  He wanted to join the military and then become an EMT/Firefighter.

That was until he posted a video about playing Airsoft on Youtube.  School officials searched Jordan and demanded his car keys.  He was arrested on felony charges and jailed for 13 days because of the small pocket knife tied to his EMT vest kept in the trunk of his car.

My god but these school administrators need to be fired.  Wake up, Ohio!

Rachel- Last week was Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day, and also the week the Illinois State Police sent out the first concealed carry licenses.  Well I was shocked at the news.  You see,   ten people were shot in Chicago this weekend, and not one of the shooters was a ccw holder.

How can that be?  Where is the blood flowing in the streets?  We were told that Chicago would become the wild west once Illinois had concealed carry.  I guess the news media and the Chicago police chief lied to us.  Illinois license holders are honest citizens.  Darn it.. another broken promise.  If you can’t trust the chief of police and the chicago papers, then who can you trust?

John-The NYPD’s sergeants union believes off-duty cops should be allowed to carry guns in NFL stadiums – and is planning legal action to get the rules changed. League officials notified team owners in September to no longer allow members of law enforcement who are not on the clock to pack heat at games. There are two exemptions – the Dallas Cowboys and the Houston Texans – which convinced the league that Texas gun laws supersede NFL policy, sources said. In those venues, off-duty cops carrying weapons notify officials where they’re sitting – and they’re allowed admittance… http://nypost.com/2014/03/05/nypd-union-challenging-nfls-gun-ban-in-stadiums/

Rachel- Gun owners now will be able to openly carry firearms in El Paso County, Colorado parks. The Board of County Commissioners unanimously changed the rules that had banned open carry.  While the rule change allows open carry, it forbids the discharge of guns, fireworks or explosive device in a county park. Multiple board members also said they did not want to incriminate law-abiding citizens who simply want to defend themselves.

It sounds like Colorado Springs is way more than 100 miles from Boulder.

John- Global Digital Solutions, Inc. – GDSI – which is a penny stock trading on the NASDAQ OTC Bulletin Board made an unsolicited bid to buy Remington Outdoor Company aka the Freedom Group for a little over $1 billion. GDSI is involved in the so-called smart gun technology field and wants to apply their RFID and Wifi technology to guns. GDSI has a market cap of $65 million and a closing stock price today of 86 cents, up 6 cents.  Remington’s response? They called it “attention seeking in it’s worst form”. One side note is that former Massachusetts Sen. Scott Brown who may have designs on running for the Senate from NH is a board member.

Rob- A few episodes ago, we reported on the Euharlee, Georgia police officer who shot and killed a teenager when the teenager answered his door carrying a Nintendo game controller.  Well Officer Beth Gatny has a troubled history.   It appears she was fired from her previous law enforcement job.  She sought disability and her claim was rejected because her claim was “not medically supported”.  She was terminated for not showing up to work.  Also, Officer Gatny shot at a suspect opening his backpack because Officer Gatny thought he was going for a gun.  The suspect was not armed, and her partner on the scene said there was no reason to think otherwise.

I hope the Euharlee, Georgia insurance policy is paid up, because this is going to be expensive.

Gun Quotes
Rick Ector has been on our show. He runs Rick’s Firearms Academy of Detroit and has some strong opinions on armed civilians living in big cities. I quote, “If anyone claims to be a civil rights activist and hates guns, he is deluded. Gun rights are civil rights.” Thank you, Rick.

Our interview segment is with with Kyle Bacon of The Search and Assess Podcast. Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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John:  Douglas County [NE] Attorney Don Kleine said no charges will be filed against a homeowner who fatally shot a 19-year-old man investigators said broke into the residence Saturday night… Authorities on Monday said Ronald Green, 66, was watching TV when he was startled by the sound of his front door flying open. Ramon R. Matlock entered the home, and Green ran to a bedroom to retrieve a revolver, authorities said. Matlock swung at Green, and Green fired a shot into Matlock’s chest and another into his lower back, authorities said. Authorities said Matlock ran out the door, but only got as far as the front yard. The Omaha Fire Department pronounced Matlock dead at the scene. Kleine said Green has been cooperating with authorities, even turning over the firearm, which is properly registered to him. Kleine deemed the shooting justified, saying that Green was fearful for his life, wasn’t the one to provoke the incident and had no place to go. Matlock’s family says the incident is a misunderstanding and that the 19-year-old wouldn’t have broken into someone else’s house without a reason.

Rachel: This is from Texas so I get to tell you about it. Last week in Houston, a husband and wife experienced a worst-case scenario that we all hope and pray we will never have to face – but thankfully, this husband was well-prepared and the story has a happy ending. Saturday night, just before midnight, the couple was confronted in a Houston parking lot by a man with a gun who demanded their belongings and cash. Acting in self defense, the husband pulled out his own gun. The result was a dead would-be criminal and an unharmed husband and wife. The case will reportedly be referred to a grand jury, but homicide detectives do not believe any charges will be filed.

Rob: Ken Guffey was in the right place at the right time, and it wasn’t all luck.  After work and on his way home, Ken called his 83 year old mother. They were talking when he heard her scream and drop the phone.  Ken was a few minutes away and entered his mom’s house with his gun drawn.  He had to fight with the intruder who threatened his mother with a shovel.  Guffey was sitting on the intruder and had a gun to the intruder’s head when police arrived.  Guffey’s mother had a heart attack while all this happened and she is recovering at the hospital.  The suspect is in custody of the Seymour, Tennessee police, but hasn’t been charged.

Rachel: A burglary suspect was shot multiple times by the homeowner, according to the Lawrence County, Ohio Sheriff’s Department. On Friday afternoon, Joseph F. Willis forced his way into a home along County Road 19 near the Kitts Hill area of Lawrence County. Investigators say during the burglary, the homeowner was in the house and had a gun. He shot at Willis multiple times, hitting him in the cheek and stomach. Willis left the house and crashed his car into a ditch about half a mile from the home. He was flown to Cabell Huntington Hospital… No charges have been filed against the homeowner. Neighbor Julie Webb says the Kitts Hill Neighborhood Watch program has been growing following numerous home break-ins in the area, and more and more neighbors have been arming themselves. She hopes this homeowner’s actions send a clear message.

Paul – An example of what NOT to do is one of our DGU’s tonight, Police in Jacksonville Alabama say that a Father-in-Law of a neighbor noticed a strange car parked at a house on Tuesday afternoon and approached the car to investigate. The car then drove off. He and one other man then entered the house and confronted a man wearing a bandana. Officers say that one of the men who confronted the bandana wearing suspect fired a shot. the suspect fled and has not been caught.

There isn’t a lot more information on this but I am begging and pleading with our listeners that unless there is a DAMN good reason to enter a house that may have been the target of a crime PLEASE DONT!!!. You put yourself in grave risk, and there is nothing good that can come of it. Call the police, watch the house and be a good witness. Let the police secure the house. Unless you are a sworn officer and have training you should not be going in, and they aren’t going in without communications and backup.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Thanks to Curtis for that tips and tricks segment on training versus concealed carry firearms.
We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

This is our listener e-mail segment
Rob: We reported on a similar news story last episode, but listener Troy Starkey found this event for us.  Members of the Lone Oak First Baptist Church attracted over a thousand people for their Second Amendment Dinner and Celebration.  Besides providing a steak dinner, the Church raffled off 25 hunting rifles and shotguns.  Guns aren’t that scary.  One of the church members said “Evangelism is risk and we’re taking that risk to share the gospel.”  Most of the complaints were from people who read about the event online and lived out of state.  The dinner and raffle were held in cooperation with the Kentucky Baptist Convention.
Thanks, Troy!

Rachel- Listener Chris G sent in this link to our Facebook page: It seems that some in Michigan feel that it is good policy to make armed people turn their backs on criminals who have already shown that they have no respect for the law and little respect for human life. It sounds like it is time for us to get in touch with Rick Ector again and find out if this thing actually has a chance of passing in Michigan.

John: Also in our mailbag, Greg from Bremmerton sent a link about a New York City raid that seems to have a few issues. It seems that the Department of Homeland Security was lending a helping hand to the NYPD this past week by providing vehicles and personnel. Apparently the snipers providing cover for this raid did not mind using the optics on their weapons in lieu of binoculars, thereby pointing the rifles at innocent people in adjoining buildings, understandably upsetting those who were just targeted. A few things about this story, first I was not able to find any substantiation outside of the linked story and for me that makes it dubious. Second is that if the accounts in the story are true it seems that either the NYPD or Homeland Security snipers need to go back to basic firearms training and learn Rule #2.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, John, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

 

Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

 

Rachel: A Girl & A Gun is holding its national conference in Waco (right between Austin and Dallas) next week, March 20-23. It will include vendors (like me), speakers’ sessions, and live-fire training at a range. Be sure to come see me if you’ll be there!

Also, the next Zombie Biathlon at the Battle Road property in Central Texas is scheduled for April 26. Slots are going fast so sign up quickly if you want to come shoot zombies! See www.BattleRoadUSA.com

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: My post on Connecticut was picked up by Mike Vanderboegh’s blog- Sipsey Street, by JPFO, Ammoland, outdoors unlimited, the gun wire, and keep and bear arms. I got 2700 hits, not counting the people who read the article on those sites.  That means some gun owners are paying attention to Connecticut.
Hey, John?  What’s new on your blog, No Lawyers-Only Guns and Money?

John: I did have a post about efforts in at least three states to reimpose a duty to retreat on honest, law abiding citizens. The efforts to repeal stand your ground and castle doctrine laws are coming from legislators in Michigan, South Carolina, and Missouri. We’ve talked about the efforts in Missouri here in the past few shows and some of the unfortunate blowback. As Auric Goldfinger said to James Bond in the movie Goldfinger , “Once is happenstance, twice is coincidence, three times is enemy action.”

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, including our good friends over at Slam Fire Radio.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.