Episode 356 – With What, Harsh Words?

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/356.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment: 

2- News Segment 1:

3- News Segment 2

4- News Segment 3

5- Interview Segment 2: Guest Jim Fleming – Author Aftermath – Lessons in Self Defense 

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday, November 29, 2015.  I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rob- I’m Rob Morse and President Obama said the world would be a fine place if only we had more gun regulations.
John: I’m John Richardson, we have a lot of news, and we’ll talk about being on a terrorists watch list.. with no way to get off.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our defensive gun use stories, a Houston gun owner had to fight off eight criminals .. so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul:  episode 356 starts right now.
Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I took a great training course in San Antonio, Texas taught by Ben Branam, Bob Mayne, Chaz Murray and Tracy Thronburg.  Meeting them and John Edeen was absolutely worth it.  This is the class you want after you can present your firearm from a holster.  I wish every concealed carrier took a class like this.  As a bonus, I saw bullets in flight.

I carried in Texas, and when I came home I found my Louisiana permit waiting for me.  I’ve carried all week.

(Anyone want to know more about the class?  point shooting, close contact defense, Sul position 360 scan, one handed shooting, shooting from unusual positions, and we got to shoot at night with a flashlight)

John – This week has been mostly about family. We had a wonderful Thanksgiving with my daughter and son-in-law. My granddaughter Olivia Grace is just a smiling, laughing, crawling bundle of joy.

In terms of gun-related stuff, there have been a few things. I had coffee yesterday morning with David Yamane who we’ve had on the show. He does academic research on Gun Culture 2.0 and blogs about it at his blog by the same name. I also have been taking advantage of too many of the Black Friday sales to finish getting parts for various projects at a good price. I made the mistake of checking Arfcom’s thread on good deals. Finally, I got my wife Barb’s Christmas present. All I’ll say in case she is listening is that it is black and purple and made by Mossberg.
Gary – What training do you have coming up?
Rob- Where is your Illinois meeting?
ISRA – Grassroots
You would find items of interest in your area, with guest speakers, legislative updates, open discussion and more.  While the initial roll-out of the meetings might be similar, expect the grassroots group in your area to evolve to be more meaningful to the people in attendance.
Paul/Susan
Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

2- News 1

1 Gun Salesman in Chief
(WHERE IS THE LINK?) In the wake of the Colorado Planned Parenthood shooting, Obama immediately took to his teleprompters to demand tighter controls on military-style weapons. As if millions of gun owners must bear the whip for the actions of one demented man. We certainly mourn the deaths of the policeman and the other two persons; however, the proposed restrictions will not — can not — eliminate these tragedies as the president petulantly demanded. The cost of these restrictions will be far greater to our rights and freedoms than any possible gains.

Obama declared “enough is enough” in a speech just hours after the resolution of the incident. The clearly piqued Obama stated that we have to do the infamous “something” about the easy accessibility of weapons of war on our streets to people who have no business wielding them. The demonization of the commonly available firearm through the nonsensical labels of military-”style” weapons and “weapons of war” are as false as the demand to “do something.”

With these demands, Obama looks to to distract from his flailing presidency and provide the Democrat candidates with an issue that will ignite their somewhat disinterested Progressive base. But, we can assure our pen and phony president, this too will not pass.

What we know about the Colorado murder suspect.

Rob comment- Doesn’t Colorado already have magazine capacity limits and mandatory registration?.. yet those gun control measures failed.. again.

John – One thing that I learned in a class on public policy analysis was that often the best option is to do nothing.

2 Obama Wants Gun Control During His Last Months in Office

It seems that in the last months of the Obama administration, the worst is yet to come.   As his administration grinds toward a halt, the president is facing a foreign policy in collapse, a faltering economy, the unworkable mess of Obamacare, a reinvigorated opposition, and an agenda that has thankfully fallen far short of the fundamental change that he hoped to force on America.

In his last presidential year, finally free of the election constraints, Obama seems poised to abuse his executive powers. And the nation’s gun owners are clearly in his sights. Last week, Obama publicized his intention to elevate gun control to the top of his agenda in his final year. In the GQ magazine interview, Obama said he feels “looser” and more confident in his decisions and thus more willing to put his opinions above all others. Presidential advisor Valerie Jarrett says Obama is not a lame-duck and promises that “Really big things are coming.”

Cheered on by his minions in the media, Obama is pushing the blatantly fascistic Terror Watch List Gun Ban. This bill would put our basic rights at the mercy of secret, unaccountable, unchallengeable government bureaucracies – an obvious, immediate threat to our liberties. There’s little in the current proposals to prevent the president from declaring the NRA a terrorist organization and trying to disarm it’s 5 million members. The bill has little chance of passage, but it’s failure might provide the excuse Obama needs to wield his phone and pen once again. As could any mass murder event.

It seems this last year will be the most dangerous of the already disastrous Obama years. You know what you need to do: stay involved, talk to your family, friends and the people you meet, join a gun rights organization and contribute your money and time. But most of all, stay aware. These are dangerous times. And they’re getting more dangerous by the day.

John – If you are on any the gun control gun lists such as Brady, they are constantly pushing for Obama to do extra-legal efforts by using his executive powers.

Paul – We can get good things done while Obama is in office.

3 You’re on a list and you can’t get off

Following the president’s lead, many anti-gun politicians released press releases last week saying we should stop all gun transfers to people who end up on the TSA no fly list or the FBI’s terrorist watch list.  There is at least one large problem with those proposals.  We have no way to find out if we are on such a list, find out why we are on the list and find out how to exonerate ourselves from false charges placing us on the list. Now I’m sure you’re as trusting as I am and couldn’t imagine a politician putting gun owners or political rival on the list simply to disarm them.

Right.  I thought so.

We have due process here in the United States.. at least until the president eliminates them with his phone and his pen.  This raises another question.  If these are KNOWN terrorists why are they walking around free in the first place rather than facing legal charges in court?

Paul- as you’d expect, the anti-gun politicians blamed the NRA for supporting terrorists when the NRA opposed this extra legal restriction on gun owners.

4 DC Police Chief Says Citizens Should Prepare For Active Shooters And Terrorist Attacks
This certainly got our attention: Noted hard-line progressive DC Police Chief Cathy Lanier is now saying that citizens should either run, hide or fight an active shooter or terrorist. She now holds that taking out the gunmen in a Paris-style attack is the “best option” for citizens”. But how? The same Chief Lanier has been active in denying DC residents the right to keep and carry firearms. She continues to defy the US Supreme Court and their pro Second Amendment rulings.  

While we heartily agree with Chief Lanier’s advice not to cower, but to fight the terrorists; we wonder just what she expects the second class citizens of DC to fight with?  She and her cohorts have effectively disarmed the DC populace — while, as Paris shows, not really doing anything to stop the terrorist from obtaining real weapons of war. Let’s call this a case of reality intruding on Lanier’s carefully constructed gun-free fantasies. Lanier’s sudden change in direction has us wondering: just what the heck does she know? And why isn’t she telling us?

Rob- There are only 51 licensed citizens in Washington, D.C.

Paul- what are we to fight them with harsh words?

5 Magazine Restrictions Don’t Reduce Mass Murder

Politicians waging war on our right of self-defense told us that magazine capacity restrictions would stop or greatly reduce mass murders.  That claim always sounded silly to any gun owner.  Now, criminologist Gary Kleck tested that claim.. and he found out that anti-rights politicians lied to us.

We saw capacity restrictions written into law in California, Colorado and New York after the murders at the Sandy Hook elementary school in Connecticut.  Kleck researched both recent and past murders to see if the bans on large-capacity magazines made a difference in the number of casualties.  Kleck assumed that a magazine ban would actually keep a mass murderer from using a high capacity magazine if the accessory was outlawed.

The FBI classifies mass murder as being four or more victims, but Kleck examined 88 mass shooting incidents in which more than six people were killed or wounded.  He chose 6 victims as a threshold since even a simple revolver could kill six people without reloading and a small number of victims might not measure the claim of increased lethality with high capacity magazines.  Even with this restrictive definition Kleck found that magazines holding over 10 rounds were used in only 21 of the 88 mass murder incidents.  That means in 76 percent of the incidents, a large-capacity magazine ban would have made no difference in the number of victims.

Kleck then analyzed the 21 incidents in which a large-capacity magazine was used. In every case, the shooters carried either multiple guns or multiple magazines. Therefore, even without a high-capacity magazine, the shooters could easily switch guns or magazines.

Kleck found out that the rate of fire in mass shooting was so slow that having to change guns or magazines did not reduce the number of casualties.  

Mass murderers want to kill a lot of people.  Their desire leads to a large number of casualties until police arrive.  The choice of a large-capacity magazine may reflect the murderer’s desire, but it does not cause more deaths.

Gary- This makes so much sense to me.  The police won’t arrive for 10 minutes, and it only takes me a second to reload.  Of course magazine capacity doesn’t change the number of victims.

John – The key to these mass murders was the desire to kill many people. Not the tool.

3-  News 2

1 It must be nice to be above the law at taxpayer expense

Gavin Newsom is the Lieutenant Governor of California, and the Democrat heir apparent to become governor in 2018.  That takes money, and Newsom knows right where to turn for campaign contributions.  Newsom sponsored a ballot initiative in California to outlaw all ammunition magazines that hold more than 10 rounds.  The initiative would also require a background check to buy ammunition.  This in turn, would require that all stores that sell ammunition would have to become Federal Firearms Licensees.  This is another tax on honest gun owners in California.

We reported on the Chicago study that showed criminals never get their guns at gun shows and gun stores, so criminals never go through a background check.  Criminals get their guns illegally, so criminals would simply get their ammunition the same way.  None of those facts matter if the low-information California voter only listens the the headlines in the news.

If that wasn’t enough to make your blood boil, Newsom has a hand picked armed security detail that costs the taxpayers tens of millions of dollars a year.  Guns for me, but not for you little people.

Rob- Requires an instant background check, but might use a California background check system.

I don’t think the policemen who work on Newsom’s security detail are members of Oathkeepers.

John – I wonder if Newsom wants to have a 10 day waiting period for ammo as well.

2 Of course they want guns on base

The Rasmussen organization took a poll of almost 2 thousand service men.  By a margin of over five to one, the servicemen want to carry firearms for self-defense on base.  The support was strong in every service, in the reserve, and among retired military.  There is a rider on the current defense authorization act that allows servicemen to carry concealed.  President Obama even said he would sign it once the legislation makes its way to his desk.

3 Only conservatives can be racist at University of Texas

Two Texas professors said that the right to bear arms on campus wasn’t about self-defense.  The UT profs claimed the desire to be armed was about white males feeling threatened since they were racists and theists.  That claim was answered rather well.

A female hispanic economics student from Texas Christian University said self-defense is pro-choice.  In this case, it is the choice not to be raped. Quote, “feminists are looking at the aftermath of rape but are neglecting to look at ways to enable women to stop it from happening in the first place. How can feminists advocate for protection of their uteruses but condemn the right to protect their whole bodies? Women should be fighting for more than just their reproductive systems.”  Close quote.

A black female graduate student answered the charges also.  She said, Quote “As a black woman and a graduate student at UT-Dallas, I have no interest in displaying white male power to slaves, women, African-Americans, or anyone else, and I’m certainly not interested in pushing back against the Civil Rights Movement or promoting an ideology of white racism.  I am, however, interested in being able to defend myself should the need arise. Campus carry isn’t about arming dangerous bigots; it’s about ensuring that I’m able to defend myself if confronted by one.”  close quote.

Well said.  The university has to develop a plan to allow concealed carry on campus by next summer.

4 We had to destroy his gun safe in order to save it

Celebrity and  professional poker player Dan Bilzerian was away when his home was robbed in September.  A security alarm and a caretaker at his Hollywood home stopped thieves from taking Bilzerian’s guns.  Bilzerian had most of his firearms locked securely in his gun vault.  That stopped the thieves, but the vault didn’t stop the Los Angeles Police.  The police broke into the vault, took nine handguns, but left valuable long guns behind.  The police said they were taking the guns “for the owner’s protection”.  It took eight weeks for a lawyer to get Bilzerian’s guns back, but the police kept the magazines and the ammunition.

Attorney Joseph Silvoso from the law firm of Michel & Associates, said he has seen numerous incidents in which police responded to a crime scene, and then confiscated guns without a warrant.

Another Los Angeles gun owner had previously filed a 4.8 million dollar lawsuit against the LA PD for a similar invasion.. and destruction of his firearms collection.

Paul- no, officer, you can not search for my firearms.  You can not have them, secure them or touch them without a warrant.

Gary- I read the entire article in the Washington Times.. and they do not like the Los Angeles Police Department.

Comment from Charlie Foxtrot- From personal observation: The LAPD, aka Lap Dogs, is a highly politicized organization. Like their political masters, the department is rabidly anti-gun. They’re also more interested in writing speeding tickets and harassing jaywalkers than confronting the drug gangs that own the city’s underside.  There are a tremendous amount of good cops wearing the LAPD Blue – but the organization’s leaders are hopelessly, aggressively politically correct.

5 Michigan FINALLY Becomes Shall Issue

The state of Michigan will finally close down its three-member county gun boards on Tuesday.  These boards will no longer issue, deny, revoke or suspend firearms licenses. Now, county clerks will issue or deny a license after the state police conduct a background check.  An initial license will have to be issued or disqualified within 45 days of fingerprints being taken instead of within 45 days of a licensing board getting a fingerprint analysis from the state police. A renewal must be issued or denied within 30 days instead of the current 60-day deadline.

This is another step toward making Michigan a true “shall-issue” state, in which a permit has to be issued as long as an applicant has taken a gun safety course, has no felony convictions and meets other requirements such as not being subject to a protection order.

4- News 3

1 Signs Come and Signs Go at Houston Zoo

The Houston Zoo put its no-guns allowed signs up again.  The signs came down three months ago after the zoo was threatened with a lawsuit.  That is when Texas Law Shield sent a demand letter to the Houston Zoo because  the zoo sits on city property even though the zoo is privately owned.

Now, the Houston zoo claims it is an educational institution and does not have to comply with Texas concealed carry laws.  A spokesman for Texas law shield said the zoo’s argument is flimsy because there is no educational curriculum, academic accreditation, or the ability to obtain an academic degree at the zoo.   Citizens may file complaints about unlawful gun restrictions with the Texas  attorney general’s office.  Fines run up to $10,000 per day.

Rob- A teacher takes a second job and the restaurant becomes an educational institution?

2 Voices of Reason in the United States

Some responsible broadcasters understand the purpose of armed citizens.  You and I will always be the first responders until the government gets there.  Broadcaster John Stossel pointed out that there were 1500 people at the music concert in France where they were attacked by muslim terrorists.  There were thousands at the soccer stadium where they were attacked.  What might have happened if a few of the 1,500 concert attendees in Paris’ Bataclan theater had guns?  The police unit didn’t come for more than a half hour. The terrorists had time to kill, reload and kill again.  They killed their victims at point blank range.  Stossel asks “If a few people in the theater were armed, might they have killed the killers?”

We’ll never know. France’s guns laws say you may not carry a gun unless police certify that you are “exposed to exceptional risks of harm” to your life. Few people even bother to apply.  That bureaucratic arrogance isn’t confined to France.  Here in the United States, that is the same way we treat the citizens of New York City, Los Angeles, San Diego, San Jose, San Francisco, Baltimore and Washington, DC.

John – regardless of being armed -1500 people vs. 3 with guns. Yes some would be killed but the terrorists could have been overwhelmed.

Paul – more about the article. Stossel himself has been denied a NYC gun permit.

Rob- Someone might be hurt by self defense?  Reporters and academics want perfect solutions

3 There is more to Europe than Paris and Brussels

We saw an article from the website Czech Gunlaw that made a clear distinction between the European Union and the Czech Republic.  This distinction became stronger after the European Union proposed more gun laws following the muslim attack in Paris.  It might surprise you to know the Czech Republic has shall issue gun laws.  They own, transport, and carry semi-automatic handguns and long guns.   The Czech republic also has an unusually low rate of violent crime.  What sounds absolutely familiar is that the pro-gun website asked Czech gun owners to write their representatives to resist more gun bans from the European Union.

Does that sound familiar?

Rob- The Czechs have some odd ammunition restrictions, but the also started a competition modeled after IDPA.  Good for them.

John – The Czechs also has a good firearms industry. CZ makes some excellent firearms.

4- Wisconsin allows automatic knives

A Wisconsin man was arrested for possession of a switchblade knife.  The Wisconsin court ruled that knives are arms, and therefore possession is at least allowed in the home.

First, the State argued that the knife ban serves an important governmental objective by protecting the public from the danger of potentially lethal surprise attacks posed by individuals using switchblade knives.  However, the State cites no evidence to establish that this danger actually exists, particularly since the wisconsin man was arrested for possession of a knife in his own home.

The court found-

-That knives are no more lethal than handguns.

-That there should not be different levels of legal protection for different types of arms that all fall under the Second Amendment based on their popularity.

-That switchblades have certain advantages over guns and over other knives for some people.  For example, an automatic knife is safer than a gun or a fixed blade knife and can be just as effective. For safety reasons people with children may not want guns around the house.  People with limited financial resources who may not be able to afford a proper gun likely would be able to afford an effective $10 automatic knife.

-That for people who are excluded from lawful gun ownership, an automatic knife may be the most effective arm available.

-That whether one applies intermediate scrutiny or strict scrutiny to the switchblade ban, the ban fails such scrutiny, at least as applied to home possession.

Rob comment- this implies that my concealed carry permit should allow me to carry a knife as well, but Wisconsin makes it illegal to carry “a concealed and dangerous weapon”.

John- Nappen’s new book on knife laws?

http://www.amazon.com/Knife-Laws-U-S-Loopholes-Pitfalls/dp/1440244936

Gary – Knife Rights – Illinois Bill Would Allow Switchblades with CCW License – CALL or WRITE TODAY! https://shar.es/1cJVCr

5 Surge in concealed carry applications after paris attacks

The news media likes to frighten us.  They told us that bad people use guns.  This probably wasn’t the outcome the media intended, but a record number of us decided we want a gun since the world can be a dangerous place.  There was a record surge in gun sales and concealed carry permit applications all across the United States after the terrorist murders in Paris.  The application rate has roughly doubled.

Gary, have you seen an increase in students for your Illinois concealed carry classes?

Paul- We’re coming up to a break, but I want to say something about the news.  We try to bring you the highlights each week, but there are many stories we can’t fit into the podcast because there is so much to cover.  We do our best and apologize if we left out a story that is important to you.

Who has the gun quote?  How about you, (Gary)

Gun Quotes

We are advised NOT to judge all Muslims by the actions of a few million fanatics, but we are encouraged to judge ALL gun owners by the actions of a few dozen lunatics. Funny how that works.  Modified from the original Facebook

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Jim Flemming.

advertisement

5- Interview 1- Lawyer Jim Fleming, author of “Aftermath – Lessons in Self-Defense”
What to expect after shooting stops
Duty to rescue
Every shooting is a crime scene
Use your phone to document bystanders

http://www.aftermathbyjimfleming.com/attorneys.html

6- DGUs
Our first four DGUs are all about a single person surviving the assault of multiple criminals — with the essential help of their own firearm.

1-eight against one in Houston

Two carloads of thugs stopped in front of a home in Houston, Texas.  Six to eight men piled out of the cars and forced their way into a nearby home.  A neighbor was walking down the sidewalk when the home invasion happened.  The neighbor walked towards the home, and one of the thugs drew his gun.  The neighbor was carrying concealed and he shot one of the robbers.  The other men left the scene and abandoned one of the cars.  The wounded robber died at the scene. The abandoned getaway car was stolen.   The one person inside the home at the time of the robbery was not injured.

Rob- This gun owner must have liked his neighbors..disparity of force

..evening the odds

Paul – is your six shot revolver enough?

Gary – My 8 shot 1911 wasn’t enough so I bought a 15 shot 1911

2-Four Against One in San Antonio
Four teenagers were in the process of turning their lives around when they were interrupted by a homeowner. Unfortunately, they were in the home of the owner — and the Texan was armed. Two of the robbers were arrested and charged with burglary. A third, sporting a graze wound to the chest, was remanded to juvenile detention. The fourth, a 19-year-old woman, died after pulling out a window air-conditioner and confronting the homeowner. Lest you shed too many tears, an open bag was found next to her with a gun, some burglary tools and a checkbook belonging to the homeowner’s wife. Police said she also had an opened knife on the floor next to her.

Police arrested the surviving teens hiding in a house a block away. They also found stolen items from the crime scene. “This is not the first time they tried to rob them,” police said. The two adult burglars remain in jail on bonds totally $20,000 each. This bail seems absurdly low for what may well become felony murder charges with the justifiable death of their female accomplice. The homeowner is not expected to face charges. Thankfully, the homeowner and his three children are OK, and trying to get over what happened.

3-Three Against One in Philly

A Philadelphia homeowner was forced to defend his life against three home invaders. Final Score: Homeowner: 2 — Robbers 0. Three masked males tried to rob a homeowner early in the evening, but a firearm allowed him to even the odds. The homeowner shot the 18-year-old multiple times in the chest and right side. His 15-year-old accomplice suffered a shot to the finger. The third suspect was not injured. Both the injured males were rushed by private auto to the hospital where they are listed in stable condition.

Comment: Use enough gun.  

4-Two against one in Jacksonville, Florida

A jewelry store owner in Jacksonville, Florida was closing up shop.  He was locking his back door when two masked men tried to force their way in at gun point.  The three men fought and the store owner was shot in the arm.  The store owner got his own gun and shot one of the robbers.  The store owner then staggered to the front of the store and collapsed.  A security guard from a nearby grocery store applied a tourniquet and called police.  The wounded thief was dumped at a nearby hospital and died a few hours later.

Rob- comment- wear your gun

Gary – stay in the fight

Paul – first aid can save a life

5-One on one in Houston

A woman in her mid 30s parked her car at a Houston, Texas gas station.  It was about 6pm and she was still sitting in the driver’s seat when a man pulled open the passenger side door and and climbed in.  The man then pulled a knife and demanded her money.  The female driver promised the thief her wallet.  She reached into her purse and pulled out her gun.  She shot the robber one time in his left shoulder.  The thief ran from the gas station and collapsed a quarter mile away.  Police found the thief and evacuated him by helicopter due to severe loss of blood.  He is now listed in stable condition at Texas Medical Center, and is being charged with aggravated robbery.  The driver was licensed to carry a concealed weapon and police said the shooting appears to be self-defense.

Gary –

6-Utility Worker Kills Armed Thug

We’ve another self-defense incident from the annals of Crazy Town, also known at North St Louis. Several utility workers were laboring on water lines when they were approached by an armed man.  The robber took the wallets of two workers at gunpoint. He then demanded that the third get his belongings from the work truck. Fortunately, the victim had stored a handgun in the truck and he used it to defend his life and shoot the robber in the chest. Police said the 17-year-old criminal died at the scene.

The St. Louis County Police Department’s Bureau of Crimes Against Persons is investigating the incident as an act of self-defense and the robbery victim is not expected to be charged.  

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

Advertisement

7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Listener e-mail discussion

This week’s email is from Rustie (that’s the way he spells it)
Hi Paul,
Longtime listener here. I salute you for all the hard work you do to put the podcast up, even while driving all over America. I figure there must be at least three Pauls, to get all this done.
I heard you say that you are having back problems and will transition out of driving truck. As a longtime back problem sufferer, may I suggest that you transition sooner than later. It may not get better at some point, and that will color the rest of your life’s plans and activities.  Even driving taxi or delivery may not be good idea.
You are a natural “radio” speaker and perhaps you can find work in this line.
Thanks again to all the participants at Polite Society. You are a great team and a valuable resource to the firearms community.
Best
Rustie

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- First the broadcast media hid the news of armed self-defense.  We are seeing gun ownership and concealed carry grow despite that distortion from the media.  Next, the anti-rights bigots lied about us.  My article about those distortions and fabrications is titled “Lies the Gun-Prohibitionists Told Me”.  My writing is up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and on my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.
“What do you do after you have your concealed carry permit?”
“Lies the gun prohibitionists told me”

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

John- Over the last two weeks, the New York Daily News has been pushing to have those on the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Database aka the no-fly list added to the list of prohibited persons. They have used very incendiary front pages attacking the NRA with headlines like “NRA’s Sick Jihad” and “Nowhere to Hide, Jihadi Wayne”. I wrote about both of these front pages and have pointed out that any “suspected” person still has to get FBI approval before buying a firearm. The criteria for getting on the list is weak and the ability to get off is hard. What the Daily News and those in the gun prohibitionist community are doing is urging Congress to ignore the Constitution and especially the Fourth Amendment.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Jim Fleming for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Episode 279 – George (Mad Ogre) Hill and Prepping Your Car

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday, October 26, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and on tonights show we’ll talk with George Hill about riots and what steps can be taken for personal security
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the attack on the Canadian Parliament.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a bad guy getting confronted by an armed citizen.. twice in one day.
Gary H: I’m Gary Harpster and we have a discussion about making your car ready for an emergency.
Gary D: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 279 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.
Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul Someone hit our pickup. – I love my 1911 and I love my Glock facebook sites. Go Fund Me for GRPC 2015 is now at $550 – thank you to everyone who has donated.

John – I didn’t get a chance to do any dry-fire practice this week. However, I did something even more important. I voted. Early voting started in North Carolina on Thursday and we voted on Saturday. I know a lot of people, gun people even, say that one vote doesn’t matter. They are wrong. I can name any number of major races where a handful of votes made the difference.

Rob- I had a ton of fun shooting IDPA yesterday.  I did well.  The last stage was taken from a backyard barbecue.  The stage started with your hands buried in an ice chest.  That was the moment three thugs attacked your guests from behind your back.  You had to pull your hands out of the ice water, turn around, step around an innocent guest, then draw from concealment and engage three targets.  I scored well and did not shoot the hostage!  It was also so hot on the range that the ice-water felt good on my hands.  9 shots, four transitions in 7.4 seconds.

I overheard a father whisper to his son, “I won’t say a thing, but you have to explain to mom that you shot the unarmed hostage.”

IDPA Standing

For next week- I called a local range and asked for instruction.  They asked me if I wanted to rent time in their simulator.  I told them I wanted an instructor to help me improve my presentation from concealment.  If the simulator is the best tool to do that, then fine, let’s use it.  You could hear the light bulb go on in his head.  It seems a lot of people want the simulator ride, but don’t really want instruction.  I’ll meet with them next week.

I have to check all my mags because I had a failure to feed.

Break
advertisement ABN
Seg 2- News
Where to start?
-This defensive gun use is so widely covered that we’re putting it in the news section.  The attack on the Canadian Parliament took place a few minutes before our last episode.  In that attack, a muslim terrorist attacked the Canadian war memorial where he shot a soldier who was part of the honor guard.  The soldier was not armed and could not defend himself.  The murderer then stole a limousine and drove to Parliament.  The murderer was shot by Kevin Vickers.  Vickers is the Parliament’s Sergeant at Arms.  The gunmen threatened dozens of disarmed civilians.  They were helpless to stop the murderer.  Kevin Vickers was both armed and trained.  Vickers saw the murderer’s gun stick out past a stone column.  Vickers dove across the marble floor and slid on his back around the column under the gun.  He fired upward at the murderer until the threat was stopped.  Vickers was the former chief superintendent of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
comment- that is a hero.
comment- correction.. that is an ARMED hero.
Gary D- comment- I think that misses the point.  The media will use any terrorist attack as a pretense to promote a larger government and limit our rights.  The murderer used a lever action 30-30.  The media will now treat all long arms as if they are the boogeyman “assault” long gun.  A kids daisy bb gun is a long gun for crying out loud.  The media will simply use this as another excuse to tell the public gun owners are evil.
John- I own a 30-30.
Rob- I held my friends lever action 45-70 the other day.  Gary, let me hear your antacid pills.  Breathe in, breathe out.

-An armed student attacked his cousins at a Washington school.  The student was too young to own a firearm.  He stole it from his father.  The murderer took his own life when a teacher grabbed him.  The anti-gunners will say we all need to be disarmed.  If that is true, then why do they call the police when a crazy killer comes to school?  I thought we were safer if we simply kept guns off campus?
Gary D- comment- another failed gun-free zone.
comment- DC city councilmen wanted to disarm the police.

-We do our best to bring you the news, but we missed this one.  We had Miko Tempski on with us for the midweek show.  He reported on the competing initiatives in Washington State.  The initiatives have left some of the anti-rights groups in a passion.  Police in Bellevue Washington are investigating a former Bellevue City councilwoman after she stole campaign signs for Initiative 591.  That is the initiative that would limit required background checks for gun owners, and require that all background checks meet national standards.. 591 would also require that gun owners receive due process before their firearms are seized.  Police submitted a report to the Bellevue City Attorney’s Office for a third-degree theft charge against the former city councilwoman, Margot Blacker.  A man called Bellevue police saying he watched a woman stealing campaign signs, and he provided the license plate for Margot Blacker’s car and gave a physical description that matched Blacker.
comment- our betters know how we should live.  Margot Blacker must be very frustrated by this messy democracy.
comment – Alan Gottlieb had a good response to it.

-There is always another excuse for the anti-rights groups to disarm innocent civilians.  If one excuse doesn’t work, then they will find another excuse.  Lead contamination is the latest rationalization to outlaw modern ammunition.  We know that government money can pay for an academic study to say that black is white and hot is cold.
comment- you mean like the earth is warming?
Yes, like that.  Now we see government money being paid to prove that lead is a danger, and that modern ammunition is the source of that lead contamination.  It is a harder sell than you might think because the subject was studied before.  Doctor John Lott recently pointed out where the Clinton administration dismissed concerns about lead poisoning from bullets.  Lott reference three letters written in 1999 and 2000 by Dr. William L. Marcus.  Doctor Marcus was the senior science adviser at the Environmental Protection Agency’s Office of Water. In those letters, Marcus wrote that the “assertion that the use of lead based ammunition is hazardous is in error,” as studies of adult shooters at outdoor ranges have not shown increased blood lead levels and those shooting at “indoor properly ventilated firing ranges have shown no increases in blood lead levels.”
comment- you won’t hear those reports from the Sierra Club
comment- or from a Bloomberg group.

-Drug cartels murdered another citizen journalist in Mexico.  We reported where corrupt Mexican politicans ordered the police and drug gangs to murder political protesters.  The protesters great sin was to protest a rally where the mayor’s wife spoke.  Now, the drug gangs are murdering anyone who reports on such stories.  None dare write, tweet or blog.. except with the approval of the narco-cartel.  This is another great failure of citizen-disarmament!
comment- Disarmed citizens are helpless against armed thugs.
comment- Armed thugs kill disarmed citizens with ease.  Anti-rights groups here in the US want us to adopt Mexican style prohibition against firearms.

-The Ebola outbreak is in the news.  Since the new political method is to never let a crisis go to waste, the Ebola outbreak is now our fault.  You and I.. and the NRA opposed the Obama appointee for US surgeon general.  Doctor Vivek Murthy headed up Doctors for Obama, and he helped get Obama Care passed.  Here we have another community organizer who has come out against the right of armed self-defense.  Of course the NRA opposed Doctor Murthy’s appointment.  Somehow the mainstream media forgets that Senate Democrats had the votes to pass Murthy, but these senators opposed his appointment too.
comment- The so called mainstream media suffered a convenient lapse of memory when they blamed the NRA.
comment- the acting surgeon general really is an expert on infectious diseases, but Obama isn’t interested in appointing him.
comment-  Our community organizer rides again.

-Washington DC said it now has laws in place so a citizens can have a concealed carry license.  Of course, you can’t get one and can’t use one.  Except for that, the DC city council complied with the judge’s order.  The district requires that applicants have 18 hours of firearms training.  DC has no permitting process to qualify trainers.  It also required a 435 fee for the instructors to apply.
The district required two hours of range time.  It outlawed ranges in DC.
You could travel to Virginia to train, but DC outlawed carrying firearms on public transportation.
Being a victim of violent crime is not considered a reasonable justification to receive a carry license.  Having a stalker qualifies.. but the licensing process is expected to take more than 90 days after you apply.
There is no reciprocity with any other shall issue states.
comment- DC is denying its citizens the civil right of self-defense.  I hope lawyers like Alan Gura take the DC city council for millions of dollars in penalties.

The Second Amendment Foundation filed a lawsuit in Illinois federal district court.  SAF challenged Illinois’s concealed carry which excludes law abiding citizens from carrying because of the state where they live.  Joining SAF in this legal action are the Illinois State Rifle Association, Illinois Carry, Inc., and ten individual plaintiffs.  All the ten defendants reside in other states and are licensed to carry in those states. Under the restrictive Illinois statute, only residents from states with “substantially similar” requirements to Illinois may obtain an Illinois carry license. Only four states currently qualify.  They are Hawaii, New Mexico, South Carolina and Virginia. None of the individual plaintiffs reside in those states. According to SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb, this situation is not simply unfair, it is untenable and we believe unconstitutional.
http://www.saf.org/?p=4451
John – They have a great lead plaintiff. It is Col. Kevin Culp who is stationed at Scott AFB in Illinois. He’s a Pennsylvania resident and a NRA Pistol instructor.

– Yesterday the Corvallis Human Services Committee in Corvallis Oregon voted to bring a ban on loaded firearms to the full city council.  Was this decision based on any actual incidents of violence or accidents involving openly carried firearms on public property? Was this the result of a long, reasoned debate that identified a real issue or problem? Nope.  This was the result of one member of the committee, Penny York, getting in touch with her feelings.

As the Corvallis Gazette-Times reported; “York, admitted her “decision is colored by my feelings,” described her experience of knowing four people who committed suicide and one who in a hunting incident.” What this has to do with lawful open carry is a mystery. But then, when dealing with anti-rights gun grabbers, logic and reason take a vacation.  So the rights of the people of Corvallis, and anyone who visits, are going to be trampled because of Councilor York’s “feelings” Not because of any facts. Not because of any real problem.  The council is scheduled to take this up at its 6:30 p.m. meeting Nov. 3  Oregon firearms owners should fill the room.  http://www.oregonfirearms.org/gun-ban-moving-forward-gabby-comes-town

-There have been continued protests in Ferguson Missouri.  That might have a little something to do with the Open Carry Walk that took place yesterday in Saint Louis.  Thirty to fifty citizens carried their firearms through Saint Louis from the city garden to the gateway arch.  The walk received some news coverage, but I noticed that the news gave equal coverage to the anti-gun Saint Louis Mayor. I can’t tell who won that battle for hearts and minds.

We will have some interviews about Ferguson coming up next.

Gun Quotes
Our first gun quote was submitted by Mandy Ellen Gibbons on our facebook post last week.
“I do not carry a pistol so I can impose my will on someone else.  I carry a pistol so someone else cannot impose their will on me.” -Lynn Givens
Rob- I’ve met her, Hi, Mandy!
The next gun quote isn’t attributable to anyone, however Jason Philip nailed it when he posted- “There are better ways to meet people than the shooting sports, but there aren’t any ways to meet better people.”
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

advertisement Concealment Solutions
Segment 3 Interviews
Do riots have triggering events?
It is too late to do anything once they start.
You have days of warning now.
Don’t be a target.

Get your car off the street.  Get your self off the street.  Don’t go into the flow of people.  Treat it like a flood.  If you rent, then move.  If you own a home, then move your valuables.
Tacticool clothes? Should you try to blend in more, or is the carrying capacity of the clothing worth not looking like everyone else?
Gun owners will be blamed if they defend themselves.  What can we do to minimize the media propaganda from armed self-defense?

Segment 4 DGUs

-In what is becoming a trend for us, we have another burglar with a knife being trumped by a resident with a firearm. This one comes from Butler County, Ohio where Justin Kugler, 15, was sick and home alone. His dogs started barking and Justin looked out but didn’t see anyone. He then armed himself and looked down the staircase to see if anyone was downstairs. Just then Michael Roberts, who was armed with a knife, broke in the front door. Kugler told him to leave or he’d shoot. Roberts was apprehended by police soon after he left the Kulger house. Roberts had escaped earlier that morning from a police cruiser after being arrested for another burglary. In that burglary, Roberts was held at gunpoint by the owner until police arrived.

Justin’s dad, Jarrett had this to say, “Guns have always been an important thing in our family and he knew what to do when the problem came up.” As to Justin, he’s just glad he could stop Roberts before he broke into anyone else’s home.

Lt. Joshua Nelson is a pilot in the West Virginia Air National Guard and was in Del Rio, Texas which is home to Laughlin AFB. While shopping at the local Walmart with his wife, they saw a man with a large filet knife threatening to kill a woman. The Nelsons, both of whom were legally carrying, did it right. Mrs. Nelson secured her family at the front of the Walmart and called 9-1-1. Lt. Nelson then approached the knife wielding man and told him to drop the knife. Nelson did not pull his firearm but made sure the attacker knew he was armed. The attacker let the woman go and then threatened to commit suicide. Nelson convinced him to drop his knife and he did. When the cops arrived, they handcuffed the suspect and complimented Nelson for how he handled the situation.

Lt. Nelson is a strong believer in the Second Amendment saying that the number one reason he carries is to protect his family. As the public affairs office at Laughlin AFB notes, Nelson’s life reads like it is out of Hollywood. He started work in the coal mines, joined the Marines, back to the coal mines, went to college at Liberty University, became a pilot in the WVANG, *and* is a Delegate in the WV House of Delegates.

Victor Peters of Lady Lake, Florida had to protect himself against an intruder on Wednesday night. The intruder broke a window on his porch, trashed his porch, and then started towards Peters. That is when Peters felt he had no option but to shoot the 500 lb. black bear. The bear, it seems, had hit the house the day after dog food. Even though Peters moved the food inside the house, the bear wasn’t deterred. Florida Fish & Wildlife officers are investigating the incident.

Kenneth and Judy Byrd and their 19 year old granddaughter were the victims of a violent home invasion in Lumberton, North Carolina late Monday night.  After beating the Byrds severely, the home intruders forced the three into a back room where they attempted to rape the granddaughter. It was then that Mr. Byrd was able to secure a firearm and trade fire with the home intruders who then fled in Mr. Byrd’s Cadillac. Jamie Lee Faison, 20, was found dead in the car when it was recovered six miles away. Jamar Hawkins, 17, and Brandon Stephens, 28, are being held in jail on a $1 million bond each after being released from the hospital. They face multiple charges including attempted murder and both have prior felony convictions. Mr. Byrd, though suffering 8 gun shot wounds in the home invasion, is in stable condition in the hospital and is recovering. It is thought that the robbers were after cash and prescription drugs.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Advertisement NJ2AS
Tips and tricks
Advertisement
Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion

Email from Ken in AZ
After what happened today, Friday, at the school in Washington state, I am so angry. The very state where Bloomberg, Balmer, Gates, and other have poured millions of dollars into TV ads to swing a vote, a kid with a gun walks freely into school and starts shooting with horrific results. Why couldn’t those very rich men have done some good with their money. Think of how many metal detectors could have been purchased with all that money wasted on trying to control peoples minds and freedoms and pad the bottom line of Mainstream Media TV and radio stations. It’s sick. I am so angry I am making myself sick.

Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Mention advertisers, ABN, Concealment Solutions, Crusader Weaponry and NJ2AS. Firearm Safety Institute

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Episode 162 – Ewok Down!

There is plenty of news and conversation in this one. Stace Nelson is interviewed, he is running for South Dakota’s senate seat next year. Eric Reed, president of Gun Rights Across America talks about a new event happening in October. And Paul, Sticks and Toby talk about a great number of happenings.