Episode 311 – National Concealed Carry Reciprocity

Full episode download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.mp3

Individual Segments

Intro and personal news segments. The hosts talk about what has been going on with them since the last show.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.1.mp3

News segment 1: BATFE proposes to ban popular AR 15 ammo, campus carry is introduced in Nevada, and possible forest preserve carry in Illinois.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.2.mp3

News Segment 2: National concealed carry reciprocity is introduced, New Hampshire Senate approves permitless carry, Sen, Rubio introduces bill to permanently de-fund operation choke point, New Jersey resident charged with felony for possession of 300 year old flintlock.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.3.mp3

News Segment 3: Sandy Hook Commission issues it’s report, deadly shootings in Denmark, and our gun quote.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.4.mp3

DGU segment: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.5.mp3

Listener feedback and show close segment: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.6.mp3


“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday February 15th 2015. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about a proposed BATFE ruling that would outlaw some popular ammunition

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a campus carry bill advancing in Nevada.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s,  snowy roads helped apprehend a pair of home invaders

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also have 2 voice mails to share with you..

Rachel: so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  Because episode 311 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Seg 1- Personal news from each participant


Paul- Back at ABN for the first time in quite a while. No longer doing the Baltimore run. Bought my wife a really cool Valentines day gift.


John – My new Kydex holster has arrived for my Ruger LC9s and it fits the pistol very well. I’ve worn it around the house and you forget that you are carrying. Other than that, no new gun news. We are still on grandbaby watch and it could be this week as the official due date is the 19th.


Gary – My Glock 30 is now my official back up gun, it fed 3 boxes of Ranger T without a jam. I’m still using my Colt 1911 because my FFL who is also a leathersmith is supposed to be making a double, double stack mag pouch for the Para, which is also feeding the Ranger T without a hitch. I had a couple of conversations with former students about disparity of force and AOJ, please take a moment and review these with your instructors. We actually have it easier to appear at house of rep committee meetings here in Illinois than in Texas. Rachel had to drive to the meeting, I filed my appearance and opinion from my home office.


Rachel- Thursday’s Senate hearing on gun bills was my big activity this week – I did a special segment with Paul on that that’s being included in Episode 310. Friday and Saturday was follow-up with my activists and some recovery downtime with a friend. And trying to catch up after several near all-nighters this past week.


Rob- Shot IDPA yesterday.  I learned a lot by slowing down a little.

I’ll miss testimony for a local gun range before the city council because of the Wednesday podcast.


(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.


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Seg 2- News


BATFE released a proposed ruling this week that would reclassify one of the most common AR-15 5.56 rounds as “armor piercing”. Specifically, they said the exemption from the pistol armor piercing list of the SS109/M855 bullet would be rescinded. This is the bullet that is commonly found in surplus 5.56 or .223 ammo. BATFE says the steel and lead core combo makes it armor piercing. They also say this bullet has no “sporting purpose”. People have until March 16th to submit comments on this proposal.


John – Comment – I see this as a parting gift to Attorney General Eric Holder who said his one failure was the failure to pass gun control.

Rob- I remember a poster by Oleg Volk.  There is no “right size” when it comes to gun grabbers and firearms.  Guns are always too large or too small, too accurate or too inaccurate, too cheap or too expensive, too loud or too quiet.   There is no right size when it comes to firearms, and the 223 is no exception.

Where is the outrage that my police are carrying ammunition that is so lethal it will penetrate body armor?


A campus carry bill was introduced into the Nevada House by Rep. Michelle Fiore (R-Las Vegas). The bill would allow those with carry permits to legally carry in buildings on Nevada public higher education campuses, to carry in the unsecured areas of airports, and to carry in public buildings with some exceptions. Rep. Fiore calls this bill “Amanda’s Law” after Amanda Collins. With Republicans in charge of both houses of the Nevada legislature, Fiore is confident that this third attempt to pass a campus carry bill will be successful.


Comment – Rob and I saw Amanda Collins discuss her rape in the film “Safe Havens”. It was very powerful stuff.

Rob Comment- The presidents of the Florida state universities opposed concealed carry on campus in Florida.  To our Florida listeners, you trusted these university officials to educate your children.

Rachel comment- the Austin police chief doesn’t think campus carry is the best option. He prefers to offer victim counseling after rapes rahter than give victims a fighting chance.


-When Illinois passed its concealed carry law two years ago, one of the places that was made off-limits for legal carry were the Cook County forest preserves. Now two Downtstate legislators have introduced a bill to allow legal carry in forest preserves. Rep. Kyle McCarter of Lebanon said, “Allowing those who the state has trained to carry a gun will only provide safety.” The Chicago Sun-Times in an editorial takes issue with that and tries to bolster their argument with a spurious report from the Violence Policy Center that “counted” 722 deaths nationwide since 2007 by concealed carry holders.


Rob comment- do I have to pay taxes for a park or place where my rights are denied.



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-Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) and Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN) have introduced bills Thursday in their respective houses of Congress entitled, “The Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015.” This bill would treat state-issued concealed-carry permits like drivers’ licenses, allowing law-abiding citizens with concealed carry privileges to concealed-carry in any other states that also permit it by law. The bill has bipartisan sponsorship and has the strong support of the NRA. Stutzman said, ““Americans enjoy a natural right to self-defense preserved by the Second Amendment. This federally guaranteed liberty should not be forfeited when state lines are crossed.”


Rob- I couldn’t find the house version of the bill yet.  See PopVox.com  https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/114/hr923


John – HR 923.


The New Hampshire State Senate voted 14-9 to approve constitutional carry of concealed firearms in the state. The bill was sponsored by Sen. Majority Leader Jeb Bradley. As Sen. Sharon Carson said, “This bill recognizes that the simple act of putting on a coat should not require a permit.” New Hampshire already recognizes unlicensed open carry. Senate Democrats argued that the bill will increase the number of deadly arguments. The bill now goes to the New Hampshire House for their approval.


Comment – I guess the New Hampshire Senate Democrats have never heard of an armed society being a polite society.


Rachel comment- So New Hampshire’s Senate thinks this is fine, but Texas’ Lt. Gov. Patrick doesn’t think it should even get a hearing. What’s wrong with this picture?


-We’ve reported on Operation Choke Point in past episodes. On Thursday, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) introduced a bill that would “defund, in perpetuity, “Operation Choke Point or any other program designed to discourage the provision or continuation of credit or the processing of payments by financial institutions for dealers and manufacturers of firearms and ammunition.“ The bill is called “Firearms Manufacturers and Dealers Protection Act of 2015.  Sen. Rubio’s bill would complement legislation introduced earlier in the month by Rep. Blaine Luetkmeyer of Missouri.


-We have reported many times on how New Jersey law has ensnared innocent victims. We have interviewed both Brian Aitken and Steffon Josey-Davis on this show. The latest victim is retired school teacher Van Gilder. Mr. Gilder was arrested for the mere possession of an unloaded 300-year-old “Queen Anne” single-shot flintlock. He has been charged with a Second Degree Felony of Criminal Possession of a Handgun which can carry a 10-year sentence. Mr. Gilder has been an antiques collector for years. Under Federal law, this single-shot flintlock pistol can be bought and sold by anyone. No license is required, it can be shipped through the mails, etc. A legal defense fund has been set up for Mr. Gilder and we would encourage you to be generous.


Rob- Can he register this firearm?



-In Connecticut, the 16-member Sandy Hook Advisory Commission issued its report with a number of recommendations.  Their want to prohibit the sale and possession of any firearm capable of holding 10 rounds or more.  There was no provision to grandfather in existing firearms.  They recommended that any shell casing for ammunition sold in Connecticut have a unique serial number etched on it, and that each casing should be registered and traced.  Also, all firearms would be registered and ammunition buyers would be restricted to only the caliber chambered for their licensed guns. Those who have firearms licenses, stresses the report, should at every renewal pass a test of firearms handling capacity as well as an understanding of state and local laws.


Rob- That sounds like a semi-auto ban.. and a bolt action ban, since most could accept a mag over 19 rounds.  That means they would need a department in Connecticut like their DMV where a firearms owner would be tested every year.


-In Denmark, only licensed gun owners may possess firearm or ammunition. License applicants must establish what the authorities consider a “genuine” reason to possess a firearm. Those laws didn’t prevent deadly shootings in Denmark Saturday. A man killed a victim and injured three police officers at a free speech debate in a cafe. The gunman then proceeded to the city’s main synagogue, where he killed a Jewish man and wounded two police officers. Police tracked down the gunman and shot him Sunday morning. Investigators believe the attacks may have been inspired by the Paris shootings.


Gun Quotes- I strongly believe that the Second Amendment creates an individual right to possess and use guns for purposes of both hunting and self-defense. That quote was by democrat legal scholar -Cass Sunstein.

Gary- I have a problem with this quote.


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.

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Segment 4 DGUs


A Kalamazoo County, Michigan man awoke around 11pm Saturday night to loud knocking on his door. As he went to check it out, one of the two men outside broke a window on the side of his house.  The homeowner shot the man as the home invader entered the house and his accomplice took off. Police arrested the accomplice nearby and took the wounded home invader to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.


A San Antonio, Texas homeowner was uninjured this morning after exchanging gunfire with a home invader. The home invader, however, was shot in the stomach and was taken to San Antonio Military Medical Center. The Bexar County Sheriff’s Department said the home invasion suspect will be charged with burglary when he recovers. They said they don’t expect any charges to be filed against the homeowner.


-Normally, one does not think of heavy snow as being of an assist to law enforcement. However, a combination of an armed homeowner and deep snow allowed Springfield, Massachusetts police quickly to arrest brothers Jordan and Jovan Eady. They had broken into a house and threatened “to light the house up” last Saturday night. The homeowner was armed with a legally registered firearm and he shot Jordan in the arm. The Eady brothers were captured by Springfield Police after they ran from the home. The reason they were running and not driving is that their 2014 Chrysler 200 had gotten stuck in a snowbank. Police investigators said the homeowner had acted in self-defense of himself and his family and no charges would be brought against him. A followup story said both the brothers Eady were charged with burglary and malicious damage and released on bail. Their attorney said it was all a mistake and they had been drinking.


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Segment 5 Show close


Listener Voice Mail from Greg in Bremmerton

Listener voice mail from Greg in Cincinatti.


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John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?


We talk a lot about gun rights and politics on this show. Rarely do we address the history of older firearms. Some of these guns are absolute works of art. The late gun writer and firearms innovator Elmer Keith had an incredible collection of firearms. I did a story on Wednesday about the auction of his collection. Elmer passed away in 2003 and his family is now auctioning the collection. The post has many pictures of these guns.


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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