Episode 283 – Grant Cunningham

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday November 9th 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonights show we’ll talk with Grant Cunningham about revolvers for self defense.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we have news about more bad gun laws in Los Angeles, California.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we report on a robber who pretended to have a gun, and the homeowner who was carrying a real firearm. You know how that ended.
Rob: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 283 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- I took four friends shooting Friday night. Unfortunately, the gun breaking Genie must have come with us. We suffered a lose sight, a broken wood grip, and a magwell fell off. We also had a ton of fun. One of the new shooters did a great job. We had her shoot 5 dry fire practice shots for each live fire shot. She simply got better and better as the night went on. Yes, I replaced the stock and fixed the sight.

John – I have been looking for a Savage 99 lever action rifle for a few years at a cheap price. I finally got one this week. It was missing the rear sight but was otherwise in a good shape. I do plan to refinish the stock. The other gun stuff I’ve done is discover a new gun shop. It is run by a client’s husband as a retirement hobby. The best thing about it is that he’ll do transfers for $10.

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Seg 2- News

Los Angeles Councilman Paul Krekorian introduced a measure before LA City Council on Friday that would mandate locked storage of firearms. He introduced the measure as part of the Women Against Gun Violence’s TALK Project. Krekorian said, ““It is critical for Los Angeles to lead on this issue. Requiring gun owners to lock up their firearms and store them safely will prevent needless accidents and tragedies. This sensible step will keep our schools and children safe.” Proponents of the motion say a loophole exists in which the state requires that guns come with safety locks, but there is no requirement to actually use the locks while the weapons are not in use, or to store them in locked containers.

Comment – Ah, the old gun lock loophole argument.

Mississippi voters passed a constitutional amendment on Tuesday that established a individual constitutional right to hunt, fish, and harvest wildlife. Amendment One passed with 88% of the vote. The amendment also ensures that future wildlife conservation and management decisions are based on sound science and not emotion. The amendment was supported by the NRA, the Mississippi Legislative Sportsmen’s Caucus and the Department of Wildlife, Fisheries and Parks.

Saira Blair, age 18, becomes the youngest elected state representative in the nation. She was elected to the West Virginia House of Delegates as a Republican. Saira is a freshman at West Virginia University and won the election with 62% of the vote. She ran on a pro-gun platform, was rated A-Q by the NRA, and was endorsed by the West Virginia Citizen’s Defense League. She didn’t mince words in her support of the Second Amendment – “ I believe in protecting the innocent and punishing the guilty. It’s time that we stopped treating our citizens like terrorists and terrorist like citizens. Simply stated, firearms allow our law abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families. Our constitutional right shall not be infringed!”

-There is hope, even in New Jersey. The Franklin Revolver and Rifle Association held its 26th Women & Guns class.  23 women came to learn firearms safety and practice with handguns.  The club provided volunteer coaches, range safety, and the use of the shooting range.  Ammunition, targets and refreshments were paid for by a grant from the NRA.

Franklin Borough native and National Pistol Champion John Heller gave a one-hour lecture on firearms safety and basic pistol marksmanship.  Each student shot 60 rounds during the half day event.  Dawn Siek of Stockholm, New Jersey won top honors in the electronic illuminated red dot sighting category by scoring 95 and 97 out of a possible 100 points. Her coach for the day was Mark Jenkins

In the open sights classification, Virginia Tomala of Wantage earned “top gun” honors with a score of 95.  She was coached by Bob Leach.

– Well, New Jersey, that is a fine start.  I’ll see your 23 students, and raise you a few hundred more.  The largest gun club in Colorado held a free concealed carry class for teachers and school staff.  The turnout was so large that the Centennial Gun Club had to move the lecture portion of the class to a hangar at the local airport to accommodate the 500 teachers who wanted training..  Think of that.  The news media hands us the contradiction that we have both an epidemic of mass shootings, and that we should be disarmed.  The Centennial Gun Club in Denver thinks teachers should be able to protect themselves and their students.  The 8 hour class went over proper firearm handling, safety, shooting fundamentals, holsters and more.  Unfortunately, state law prohibits teachers from carrying at any public school grades kindergarten through 12.  That means only the bad guys get to have guns.

After this last election, the Republicans now control both the Colorado House and the Colorado Senate.  We’ll see if the legislators actions are as good as their word.

-Tuesday’s election changed the balance of power in a number of states.  Democrats lost their super-majorities in the California Senate, the Vermont House and the Maryland House of Delegates.

Republicans now control 67 state chambers while the Democrats control 28. Prior to Tuesday, Republicans had a 57-41 advantage.

Republicans have complete state control, meaning they control both legislative chambers and the governor’s mansion, in 23 states.  The Democrats have six.

Rob- Anyone want to take bets on whether the US Senate will pass concealed carry reciprocity, or are Republicans all talk and no vote?  John Cornyn authored the Senate bill earlier this year.


-Vermont is a blue state controlled by Democrat legislators.  That was true last week, and it remains true after this last election.  The good news is that a few of the anti-rights legislators were voted out of office.  Democrat Vermont state Representative Linda Waite-Simpson used to represent Essex Junction.  She said she would support mandatory universal background checks in Vermont.  She was also the largest recipient of money from anti-rights groups like Gun Sense Vermont.  Linda Waite-Simpson lost.  Human rights advocates can also claim victory in the lieutenant governor’s race, where progressive Dean Corren lost to incumbent Republican Phil Scott by a 2-1 margin.

Rob- didn’t Michael Bloomberg claim that anti-rights candidates would ride a wave of gratitude from the voters?

Gary- Everytown is still claiming victory because of I-594 then I saw a MDA spokesperson claim 87% want More background checks even though 594 past 60-40 and thats with millions spent on confusing ads

-Well that didn’t take long.  Greg Abbott won the election to be the next governor of Texas.  He said he would sign an open carry bill.  Quote “If Open Carry is good enough for Massachusetts, it’s good enough for Texas.” close quote.  The Bloomberg group Moms Demand Attention said that Governor Abbott should demand mandatory background checks before he signs a bill allowing open carry.  It sounds like “mandatory background checks are the new MDA Talking points.

-Here is more Texas news from.. The New York Times.  They found that black men are 2.79 times more likely to be denied a concealed carry license than white men, and that black women are 4.74 times more likely to be denied one than white women. That racial disparity is not unique to Texas. In Indiana, black men are 5.54 times more likely to be denied a license than white men, while black women are 7.26 times more likely to be denied one than white women.

In order to be eligible for a concealed handgun license in Texas you must pay a $140 fee, prove citizenship and residency, be 21 years old, and complete a 4 to 6 hour training course, pass a state background check which includes determining if the person is an addict, delinquent on any child support payments, taxes, or owes any debts to the state.  They also check for any restraining orders.

New York has similar prejudicial requirements.  Some New York Sheriffs require sworn affidavits of good character from a county resident who has known you for five years and is not a family member.   Americans move every 7 years on average, so this requirement alone eliminates over 65 percent of the possible applicants.

Rob- We denied these people their right of self-defense, but we have no idea if we’re safer because of it.  Are strangers who moved here recently really more dangerous?  Do we know that 19 year old military vets are less safe than a 21 year old?  Do we know if a serviceman who was overseas and couldn’t make a court appearance in family court is really a danger to society?  Do we know if a fee left over from a relatives probate case really makes us so dangerous we should be disarmed in public?  We don’t!

We deny the right of self-defense for the thinnest excuse.


Shelley Gottschling is a real estate agent in Bay County, Michigan. She has been carrying concealed since 2013 because she realizes the danger real estate agents, many of whom are women, face showing empty homes to strangers. The criminal who kidnapped and killed real estate agent Beverly Carter in Arkansas two months ago said he targeted her because she was “a woman who worked alone.” Using this incident as a motivator, Ms. Gottschling worked with a local gun shop to organize a concealed carry training class for a group of a dozen real estate agents. As she said, “You can never be sure what’s behind the door when you go to open it.”

-This should come as no surprise to our listeners. A Gallup poll released on November 7th found that 63% of Americans said that a firearm makes their home safer. Gallup first started asking this question in 2000. Since then, those who say it makes them safer has risen from 35% to 63%. Meanwhile, the number who think it makes it less safe has dropped from 51% to only 30%. They found that Southerners and Republicans are more likely than Easterners and Democrats to have a firearm in the home.

– In the barely news category, a federal judge says he meant what he said.  U.S. District Judge Frederick Scullin had earlier issued his decision in the case of Palmer versus DC.  He said the District of Columbia’s total ban on the public carrying of ready-to-use handguns outside the home (was) unconstitutional under any level of scrutiny.  The district asked for reconsideration, and this week, the judge said no.  There are strong indications the District understood Judge Scullin very well, but the district has slow walked the required legislation since July.  That opinion is shared by a firearms instructor who was also a plaintiff in the Palmer case.  George Lyon complaining about the high cost of applying for certification. The course takes 16 hours in the classroom and two hours of range time.  Quote “This is another example of (the district) making the process as difficult and expensive as possible.”  The district requires a $435 fee to apply to be a firearms instructor.  We will see what the judge has to say.

-Florida passed a law last year prohibiting doctors from compiling records on firearms owners as part of their routine medical survey.  Some doctors denied care based on the patients answers.  The privacy law was appealed by a doctor who said he had a first amendment right to ask his patients if they owned firearms.  A federal court of appeals judge ruled the doctor could express his views, but the law stands since it establishes a “codes of conduct that define the practice of good medicine” and “protects a patient’s ability to receive effective medical treatment without compromising the patient’s privacy with regard to matters unrelated to health care.”

-Who is hungry?  More businesses are being pressured to put up no-gun signs.  The owners of the Tater Junction restaurant in Aurora, Texas thought otherwise.  They posted signs reading, “Notice: Guns Welcome on Premises.  Please leave weapons holstered unless need arises.”  Co-owner Darren Trainer said they decided to post the signs when they were taking over ownership of the restaurant. The signs serve as a joke but also as their stance on concealed carry in their restaurant.  Texas has very specific signage requirements for businesses that choose to ban firearms.

Gun Quotes – “He who goes unarmed in paradise had better be sure that that is where he is.” — James Thurber

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

Grant Cunningham is a revolversmith, a personal defense trainer, a blogger, a podcaster, and a published author. His books include the Gun Digest Book of the Revolver, Defensive Revolver Fundamentals, and Defensive Pistol Fundamentals which will be released later this month.

In addition to his critically acclaimed books, Grant’s articles on shooting and self defense have been published in a number of popular magazines and on websites like the Personal Defense Network. Grant has made a DVD on revolver shooting for the NRA’s Personal Firearms Defense series, and is a founding member of the Association of Defensive Shooting Instructors.

In past shows we have had discussions about the use of revolvers for defensive gun use.

There are some that consider the revolver as being outdated and with a limited capacity.

How would you respond to critics who say the revolver is not a viable weapon for a person’s primary carry firearm?
What are the advantages to using a revolver? And what are the disadvantages?
How is training with a revolver different than a pistol?
What revolver would you recommend as a first revolver for someone new to revolvers?

Revolvers have a greater variety of caliber than the generally available options in semi-autos, (38-357, 44special- 44 mag, 32, 45, 22 etc) in semi autos it is generally believed that 9 vs 40 vs 45 comes ballistically down to not a heck of a lot of difference. it that the same with revolver calibers?

A lot of the commonly used semi auto guns are easily customised to the individual shooter, options exist in changing sights, grips, springs etc for many semi autos, is this same option available for revolvers?

Can you speak a little bit about the revolvers (there are 2 that I am aware of) that will fire both the 45 long colt and the .410 shotshell, are these pistols legitimate self defense guns?

Segment 4 DGUs

Two employees at Karsch’s Village Market in Barnhart, Missouri tried to stop a drunk man from driving off for his own safety. For their troubles, Robert Lawson pulled a firearm from his car and pointed it at them. One of the employees drew his own legally concealed handgun and shot Lawson who died at the scene. The employee was not taken into custody and the Jefferson County Sheriff’s Dept refused to identify him.

When Thomas Lopez, 74, answered his apartment door in Dallas Wednesday, he was confronted by two men who forced their way in and demanded money. One of the men, Saeid Ardestani, 56,(Sah-Eed R-duh-stan-e) held his hand in his pocket like he was armed and threatening to shoot the homeowner.  Mr. Lopez was armed, and drew his pistol and shot Ardestani (R-duh-stan-e).  Both intruders fled.  Ardestani was found critically wounded at a nearby gas station after his accomplice and their getaway driver dumped him and called 9-1-1. He died later at Parkland Memorial Hospital.  Mr. Lopez was questioned and released.

An elderly, disabled man in Martinsburg, West Virginia was the victim of home invasion on Friday night. Two men kicked in his door around 11pm. In response, the homeowner grabbed his gun hoping to scare off the intruders. When Ronald Stotler tried to grab the homeowner’s gun, he was shot in the chest and collapsed. The other accomplice then fled. Stotler was taken to Berkeley Medical Center where he was pronounced dead.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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The night of November 9 – 10 will mark the anniversary of Kristallnacht, the infamous Night of Broken Glass, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership reminds its supporters by resurrecting an essay from the 60th anniversary of the obscene precursor to genocide. Written by Rabbi R. Mermelstein in 1998, the recounting of the night of official hatred and horror gives a graphic reminder of what happens when disarmed people are powerless to protect themselves from evil. From 1938

Listener e-mail discussion

Paul, I don’t mean to hog all your email time, but I just keep getting these thoughts.
We have a new Attorney General nominee, who is described as a “strong advocate for civil rights”. Do you suppose she is a strong advocate for all civil rights, or just the civil rights that fit her agenda. I bet you right now that she doesn’t think the 2nd Amendment is a Civil Right and has never worked to support it, or support those who do.
Pardon my skepticism, but I’ve seen enough from the gang currently in power to doubt anything and everything about them.
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Paul- Rob, do you want to mention any posts from your blog.

I have an article on acceptable bigotry against gun owners.  It will be out at Ammoland.

Rob- John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I’ll have an article out on I-594 and why Washington was chosen. It will also look into the next targets for Bloomberg and Everytown.

Paul: Tomorrow is the 239th birthday of the United States Marine Corps. We’d like to wish all current and former Marines a happy birthday and thank them for their service!

That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Grant Cunningham for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?

Rob- Rachel will be back with us on Wednesday.  John Pierce should join us too. We will have any reactions from the Grand Jury verdict in Fergusson, Missouri to talk about.

I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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In this episode Frank Fiamingo, President of the New Jersey Second Amendment has a conversations with Paul. The topics cover the elections earlier in the month, the efforts at gun control that started immediately after the elections and what has been going on recently with NJ2AS and the cleanup from hurricane Sandy.

In the Second interview Kathy Jackson Joins Toby and Paul. The topic is slaughtering the sacred cow, and several sacred cows were put down in this one. Is a handgun’s primary purpose to fight to get to a long gun? Is a Revolver more reliable than a Semi-Auto? Should you shoot to kill? All of this and more are addressed in Kathy’s segment.

Finally Toby and Paul talk a bit about the gift that Toby received and what is happening with the show.


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