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1- Open and Personal News Segment
2- News Segment
3- Interview Segment 1: Guest : Amanda Suffecool part 1
4- Interview Segment 2: Guest : Amanda Suffecool Part 2
5 – Interview Segment 3 : Guest : Paul Martin – Part 1
6 – Interview Segment 4: Guest : Paul Martin – Part 2
7- DGU Segment:
8- Email and Show Close:
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday September 2nd 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Amanda Suffecool about the concealed carry fashion shows she’s put on.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the efforts of Chicago to prevent a gun store from opening.
Tracy Thronburg: I’m Tracy Thronburg and tonight we’ll talk with Paul Martin about prepping.. so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 421 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)
Rob- I read the Wren decision out of the DC appeals court. I recorded David Cole for Self-Defense Gun Stories. I carried every day. We dodged a hurricane, so it is still a little wet to go to the range. I did some dry practice indoors.
John- My week has had dual highlights. First, I had dinner – in person, mind you – with Paul on Wednesday as he was driving through with a load. Then, my granddaughter Olivia spent the weekend with us which is always a treat. I also attended the Greensboro, NC gun show with my son-in-law and his dad. My biggest take-away is that AR prices are way down – Ruger AR-556s for as low as $449 – and that the new short barreled firearms from Mossberg and Remington are big hits.
Tracy- I went to Camp Gladiator five days this week. I gave a retired husband and wife a lesson on Thursday night, where they quickly learned that good gear choices can make or break a private lesson, and I worked as the chief range safety officer at Shady Oaks Gun Range today in Cedar Park. I’m still on the lookout for a reliable source for gas for my Denali.
Promo about upcoming training classes here.
Promo about patches
2- News 1
So Let It Be Written So Let It Be Done.
In July 2010, R. Joseph Franzese submitted an application for a business license. He proposed opening a gun shop called Second Amendment Arms (SAA). Franzese bought the property advertised as commercial property, but the city now claims it was not zoned as commercial. He contends the city will block a gun shop, no matter where it’s located. The Second Amendment Foundation became Franzese’s ally and backed a case challenging a ban of firearms sales within city limits. A federal court judge in Illinois denied a City of Chicago motion for summary judgment and refused to dismiss the case. Robert M. Dow, Jr., U.S. District Court Judge set Sept. 28 as the next date to discuss damages for the plaintiff in Second Amendment Arms v. City of Chicago.
Alan Gottlieb, SAF founder and Executive Vice President, said “The City of Chicago under Rahm Emanuel is trying to be too clever by half. We would have thought by now that they would have ceased this pattern of spending tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars on stubborn litigation, but the city seems determined to be dragged kicking and screaming into compliance with the Second Amendment. Since losing its gun ban fight in the Supreme Court’s 2010 McDonald ruling. Chicago has been digging its heels in deeper and deeper, throwing every kind of legal roadblock it could in an effort to delay what seems inevitable. The city has got to follow the law and the constitution, and as long as they keep fighting, we’ll keep suing. That’s what winning firearms freedom one lawsuit at a time is all about.”
John – What Chicago is engaging in is a form of “red-lining”. The use of zoning to keep out legal business. It was originally used to keep African Americans out of certain neighborhoods because mortgage companies wouldn’t lend to them.
Rob- I agree, John. This is a civil rights violation and it has been going on for a very long time. Why is the city’s bigotry allowed to stand? The city demands live fire before it will grant a permit. A judge should demand that the city open police ranges to civilian use until a private company stands up.
So, you think you have Constitutional Carry?
If you are not familiar with the work of John Lott, you are missing out on some valuable information. His Crime Prevention Research Center published an article addressing limitations on Constitutional Carry in March of 2016. https://crimeresearch.org/2016/03/the-very-real-limits-on-constitutional-carry/
The focus of the article is the federal Gun Free School Zones Act. This legislation was originally introduced by Senator Joe Biden and signed into law by President George H. W. Bush in 1990. In 1995 this law was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court. This was a landmark decision. It was the first time in over 50 years that the Supreme Court placed limits on Congress’ ability to legislate under the Commerce Clause. In 1996, Congress massaged the language and reenacted this unconstitutional statute.
This statute criminalizes the possession of a firearm within 1,000 feet of the boundary of a school. There are exceptions to this rule. Unloaded firearms that are in locked containers in a vehicle are exempted. Private property within 1,000 feet of the school boundary but not part of school grounds is also an exception. Additionally, persons licensed to carry may be exempt. However, you must have a license issued by the state in which the school district resides.
If you live in a Constitutional Carry state and you do not possess a state-issued license, you have a problem. You are committing a crime if you find yourself carrying a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school boundary. Dr. Lott’s article points out the difficulty of even driving across a typical city without violating this law. Even if you are unaware of the school tucked back in the woods two streets to the east of you, you are eligible for a five-year, all expenses paid prison term and a $5,000 fine. Even gun-friendly states have anti-gun politicians and prosecutors in their larger cities.
Congressman Ron Paul introduced legislation to repeal the GFSZA on three separate occasions. His bills never made it out of committee. Can you say national reciprocity? The more things change, the more things stay the same. Gun control is about control, not guns.
Rob- I used to open carry in California. You had to know where every school was located.
Belle- How is this enforced?
Truckin’ through Wisconsin
Truck driver Guy Smith of Wisconsin pulled into a weigh station Kenosha County in June of 2016. He then found himself charged with carrying a concealed weapon after his revolver was seen in the cab of his truck. Of course, they confiscated his property. Mr. Smith does not possess a concealed weapons permit.
Smith’s defense attorney, John Monroe, prepared two theories to defend his client against these allegations. The first defense is as simple as it gets. In 2011 Wisconsin passed a law making it legal to have loaded handguns in vehicles. A revolver is a handgun, isn’t it?
To paraphrase, Monroe said the charge never should have been filed because the the law allows handguns in cars to be unencased and loaded. This seems pretty clear, doesn’t it? But the prosecutor intended to take this case to trial. The prosecutor actually stated that the law could not mean what it said because it would invalidate concealed carry law. The judge in the case corrected him by stating that it would “in cars.” Again, this seems like common sense stuff. That is true unless you are a prosecutor with an axe to grind against citizens arming themselves.
The second defense theory Monroe devised centered around Castle Doctrine. Wisconsin, and most other states, allow the use of firearms in their home, business or vehicle. As Mr. Smith’s truck provides transportation, a livelihood and lodging all three elements of a castle exist.
When prosecutor Thomas Binger learned of the defense Monroe planned to present at trial, he asked for a postponement. Presumably this was to give the State more time to prepare.
On August 28, just before the date of trial, the State dismissed all charges against Mr. Smith. Monroe pointedly stated they were not informed of this dismissal until the defense had been prepared and they traveled to Kenosha. As Dean Weingarten of Gun Watch stated, this sounds like a case of punishment by process. Was there ever an intention of going to trial with this? Or, was Mr. Smith just being railroaded by a powerful government?
After the dismissal, Mr. Smith said, “I’m just a trucker trying to stay alive. I want my gun back and I don’t want a record, and I’m not paying a fine. I didn’t do anything wrong.” Well done, Mr. Smith. Perhaps we need a remake of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington?
Paul – Just to make sure that all our listeners are aware that there are no federal laws that prohibit carrying in a commercial vehicle. It also reminds me of my own situation
John – Guy Smith still has his legal bills. The prosecutor was trying to drag it out to force Mr. Smith to plead to a lesser charge because of the uncertainty involved.
Gary – ACLDN
Rob- Guilty of contempt of prosecutor.
Belle- If they don’t pay, they should provide enough educational material to help keep you out of trouble.
Gun Quotes- A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate. Thomas Jefferson
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).
3- Interview 1
Eye on the target radio http://www.eyeonthetargetradio.com/
Realize FAC http://www.realizefac.com/
The NRA said this was the first fashion show to highlight concealed carry. Maybe it was the first for them, but you’ve done this before.
Friends of NRA
You wrote the book on it.
What was your idea in putting on a fashion show for concealed carriers?
I like it because it shows we’re normal.
Hi, this is us. Look at us. We look like you.
News coverage was great.
It is fashion news.
You’re talking about how to hide guns.
One model was carrying four concealed firearms.
Amanda wrote the book on building your own fashion show. A DVD is also available so you are not starting from our experience.
Contact Amanda with your lessons learned from your fashion show.
Who should consider putting on a fashion show? NRA meetings, NRA clubs, Women’s shooting leagues for outreach and fundraising.
American shooter magazine
A group in NY
We use real people, and plastic guns.
My cousin produces fashion shows, so I learned from her.
The NRA hired me to consult with them. They got things done. We didn’t meet the models until a few hours before the show.
Pictures from the show including “Fabio”.
4- Interview 2 Paul Martin
Paul, emphasize the little things you solve once you prep. Sprains. Cuts. power outage. Knowing when to not enter the water.
Rob- I have flood insurance.
What is the name of your you-tube channel?
5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.
Hurricane Harvey Mischief
As we have seen this week, while thousands were fleeing Hurricane Harvey, the low lifes came out to “play”. About an hour after the storm made landfall, police in Corpus Christi responded to a call and found a man with a gunshot wound in the head.
It appeared that the man tried to break into the home and the armed homeowner defended himself. The man was coherent and was transported to the local hospital.
In a second incident near Houston a few hours later, a home invader was shot and killed by the homeowner. Both incidents were still under investigation.
Rob- Low light. You need a flashlight and a cell phone.
Tracy: My doors are locked for YOUR protection.
Belle- low light practice is more important than people give it credit for. How often is it dark? About half the time? Why wouldn’t you practice that skill?
John – I like the attitude of the sheriff of Ft. Bend Cty, TX https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/09/03/texas-sheriff-warns-reminds-looters-we-believe-in-the-second-amendment-n2376617
Belle Night sight can be a distraction too. Low light shooting is likely to be close, because of the diminished ability to see anyway. Practice your point shooting or as Marty teaches, your Default Stance and you’ll develop the necessary skill.
Evil Roy shares a story
Fans of SASS or Cowboy Action Shooting know Gene Pearcey by his SASS moniker of Evil Roy. He recently posted this story.
Here’s a self-defense story from a friend. It demonstrates the value of awareness, presence of mind, and making other members of you family familiar and proficient with available firearms. Being a cool head doesn’t hurt either.
My friend stops at convenience store on the way back from the lake. His shorts are wet so he takes his small pistol out of his pocket and puts it the door pocket. He tells his wife the 1911 is in the center console and goes inside. A small car pulls up alongside and a guy gets out. The wind blows his shirt up exposing a weapon. The wife is not sure if it is a knife or gun but she is alerted. My friend comes back to the Suburban and opens the rear doors and reaches for the cooler. He turns around to see the guy standing very close looking very tense, wild eyed and agitated. Bad things are about to happen. Suddenly he gets very still and very slowly lowers his hands to his side and makes some idiot remark about looking for gas. My friend looks over his shoulder and sees his wife aiming a very shiny 1911 through the truck at the guys head with the safety off from the passenger’s seat. Guy very slowly mutters some nonsense and leaves. The wife did not say a word through the entire encounter. Lots to learn from this incident.
Rob- Teamwork is insanely effective.
Belle- Great example of why it’s important to be aware of pre-attack indicators.
Sierra McFatridge was outside getting her dog when she heard the crack of gunfire and saw a robber falling right in front of her. She said, “I didn’t know where the shot came from and then he was right there in front of me.”
A 51 year-old man had just visited the local ATM, withdrawn cash and was walking home when the robber hit him in the head. The robber had a rock. His intended victim had a gun.
The thug got away but a neighbor saw a woman in the get-away car and gave the license plate number to police.
Police said the victim was transported to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries. Once again the case was still under investigation.
Rob- The victim was walking with his son.
Gary- Grandma was robbed.
Man hold suspect at gunpoint until police arrive
In South Carolina, a deputy was serving a warrant for car theft when Christopher Cravets spotted the officer and ran from the scene. He was wanted on an armed robbery charge. The deputy called for backup and multiple agencies responded. The manhunt was on.
Charles Belcher had gone to visit his girlfriend in the area and she informed him of the ongoing manhunt. He retrieved his gun from his truck and went back inside.
He then went outside to check the property. He spotted Cravets hiding in the back of an Explorer in a carport on the property. He ordered the man out of the SUV and to lay face down on the ground. He then held him at gunpoint until the police arrived.
“The only thing I was worried about is if he had a gun and if he was going to try to shoot me,” Belcher added.
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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close
Listener e-mail discussion
Text message #1
Greetings all! Nice to have all the new voices on the show. All the best to Rachel in her new endeavor. I am getting a motorcycle and am wondering what others do who are disarmed at work. Thanks in advance. Also, even though I am disarmed at work , the vehicle I drive is 80,000 pounds. How many grains is that you math people!
Al the Iron Range trucker
560 million grains!
Email from Dr Sean
Ok folks I have tried to stay out of the 1911 “discussion” but….allow me to go back a few episodes. You had a guest who was trying to decide between a Springfield EMP and the range officer. I own both and would suggest either or both for anyone. The EMP is nice for CCW when you have light clothes or need deeper concealment. The range officer is great to have a full size 1911 on your hip. Buy both and you can choose each day. They feel the same in your hand and function exactly the same. The only difference is the recoil.
ok Paul I have to agree with you on wanting a 64 1/2 Mustang (I would love one too) but anytime we compare cars and guns we run into problems. So if we are going to compare a 64 1/2 mustang and a new car the difference we see is a huge increase in government regulation and safety features as well as digitalization. So I’m afraid you would have to compare the 1911 to a “smart gun” in that comparison. I don’t think any of us want a smart gun!!
I’ll agree with Belle “1911 finest handgun known to man”, but I also like to take my wife’s XD mod2 out for some target shooting too. She carries hers all the time and loves it.
All in all, carry what you practice with, practice and get training often and above all else POGO!!
Thanks for all you do and see you at GRPC.
Sean D. Brodale DO
Barton carries in his truck!
It has been 7 years since I have had interaction with the DOT but today was my lucky day. The Officer approached from the passenger side and asked if we could pull off into the truck stop parking lot a few blocks up. For Paul’s benefit we do 99%of our Excavation work in Barron county WI so we don’t see scales ever. Before he left I informed the officer of my Glock 22 as I openly carry. When we got to the parking lot and he started the inspection he and I had a wonderful chat about firearms as he cited me for a non approved air line splice and let the few other things go with a warning provided they are fixed within 15 days. Be polite with officers and do what they say always but especially when armed. This gentleman was polite as we chatted about guns walking around the truck and trailer looking at the needed repairs. Enjoy your night!
Barton in Wisconsin
Jake writes in about safeties on firearms
I understand where he is coming from, but I have to disagree with Paul on manual safeties on concealed carry firearms. I have carried for years with a fullsize with no manual safety and a subcompact with manual safety (depending on the season, what I’m wearing, and the required level of concealment). If you ever observe me when shooting, you will notice on every gun, even those without when I draw or otherwise prepare to fire, my thumb swipes downwards on the left side of my gun as if disengaging a safety, and ends in a proper shooting grip. On guns without safeties, it doesn’t cost me anything in terms of time or mental effort, and of course it’s necessary on guns without safeties.
I’m beginning to change my mind on the usefulness of safeties and DA/SA guns purely for additional safety when reholstering. Reholstering is the most dangerous gun handling task we commonly do, and a stray string from a sweatshirt, piece of brass, rock, fold of a t-shirt, or any number of other things could get stuck inside the holster or trigger guard on holstering and cause an accidental discharge. With a hamer-down DA/SA gun, you can keep your thumb on the rear of the hammer so you feel it begin to move if the trigger is pressed by anything, and with a gun with a safety, you can physically stop the trigger from moving. If I want to carry with the safety off, I can toggle the safety on, holster, then withdraw just far enough to disengage the safety before reholstering. Lately, though, I just keep the safety on – I instinctively disengage it on drawing anyway.
Just my $0.02.
Jake (Formerly from Iowa)
Belle- 1911s are…The Finest Handgun Known to Man? Too much of a broken record?
Tracy- 2011s are..TOO BIG FOR MY HAND.
Rob- Jake, I have the same habit.
Dr Sean writes in again
Just wanted to thank Tim Crosnoe for his elaboration of natural point of aim as it is sometimes talked about in pistol shooting. I had begun to wonder how NPOA could be used in pistol shooting as the shoulders are mostly muscular joints. This seemed contradictory to the NPOA we learn at Appleseed which takes the muscles out and relies on the sling and bones to get an NPOA. It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one thinking about NPOA as it is different in pistol shooting vs rifle shooting. Thanks to Tim
Sean D. Brodale DO
Rob- We use NPOA in target shooting a lot.
Belle- NPOA in pistol is similar to the default stance
Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob- I completed my series called “Government Fees Discourage Concealed Carry.” In shall issue states, our concealed carry laws and fees disarmed 8 million of us. I also asked if “Gun Laws are Really Common Sense..or More of the Same Stupid Stuff?” Do these regulations disarm criminals or disarm honest gun owners? Do they do more harm than good?
That and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com. John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money?
For those who like a little bit of history with their firearms, I did a post on a lesser known trench gun, the Remington 10, used by the American army in World War One. Only about 3,500 of these bottom ejecting pump shotguns were made. They also came with a 17” bayonet. Moving from the old to the new, Century Arms released a product safety warning regarding their Canik line of 9mm pistols. Owners are warned that repeated dropping of the pistol could damage internal parts. Century will release a severe duty upgrade by Sept 8th.
That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.
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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Amanda Suffecool and Paul Martin for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,
(Paul, stop talking now)
Rob: Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Tracy: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.
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