Episode 278 – Miko Tempski

John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, October 22nd, 2014. I’m John Richardson.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we interview Miko Tempski of the citizens committtee for the right to keep and bear arms.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll report on Operation Choke Point and another knife attack stopped by a gun owner.
John, of course we have our weekly stories of self-defense and defensive gun use.
Rob so climb aboard
Rachel strap in
John, and hang on! Episode 278 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
John- Nothing really new since the weekend. I did order scope rings and a mount for my new-to-me (and perfectly legal in California) Marlin 336A rifle which I got at an auction on Saturday. I also bought a set of bullet molds for .30-30 for when I ever get around to bullet casting.

Rachel- I spent the weekend with an eager group of ladies at the Fredericksburg LadySeed – an Appleseed rifle marksmanship instructional event for women only.
how was the weather?
Also..what does it mean to “time out” in a shooting stage at the Zombie Run? Your score is a combination of total run time as well as your shooting time at each of 8 shooting stations. So, the range officer times you and records that time….but each stage has a time limit If you reach that, you have “timed out” and must move on.
Rob- Lots of dry practice.  Grip, presentation, and reloads.  Isometric grip exercises.  IDPA this weekend.  Reading a book on propaganda and the mainstream media. (Professor Brian Anse Patrick)  I have Brian Aitken’s book on the nightstand.

John- Break
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Seg 2- News

John -Thirty members of Congress demanded the Department of Justice launch an “immediate investigation” into the agency’s own Operation Choke Point.  Representatives wanted to know who was involved in creating and implementing the initiative against enterprises that are out of favor with the Obama administration. Led by Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer, R-Mo., the 30 lawmakers sent a letter to Michael Horowitz, the Justice Department’s inspector general, and Robin Ashton, head of its Office of Professional Responsibility.  The Congressmen calling Choke Point a “blatant abuse of legal authority.” Six Republican Senators sent a letter to the Justice Department earlier this month demanding that Attorney General Eric Holder release information about Operation Choke Point.
rachel comment- and what will happen when the Obama administrations ignores them or writes a false report exonerating itself?

Rob-Jean-Pierre Robinet owns the Old Forge pub in Knoydart, a town of just 111 in Scotland.  This week he fought back tears as a court declared his .300 Blaser rifle and a shotgun that he had brought with him when he emigrated from Belgium were illegal and forfeit. Robinet had legally owned the guns in Belgium and had traveled with Belgioum and Scotland for 16 years. There every autumn in the thick forests around Knoydart, which can only be reached by boat or 18-mile overland hike, he would hunt for two weeks. These hunting trips led the Belgian restaurateur to buy the Old Forge nearly two years ago. However, since he is now a full-time UK resident, the guns are illegally owned and will now be disposed of.
Rachel comment- now don’t we all feel safer.
John comment- bigotry on display

Rachel -Certified firearms instructor Rick Ward knows last year’s big debate in the Mississippi legislature was about open carry. The new open carry laws prompted signs banning firearms on buildings across the state. Ward says the building owners are ignoring the Mississippi citizens who can legally carry a gun. “Cities and counties are imposing standards, laws or ordinances and resolutions that violate state law.  That’s where we have the problem.” Another bill passed this legislative session allowing citizens to file complaints and ask those locations to remove the signs. More than 30 have been filed since the law took effect. “In one way you say well maybe it’s arrogance, maybe it’s ignorance,” said Ward. “I don’t really know which is the case. You’ve got cities and counties that are not complying till they’re forced to do so.” Some places like the town of Florence are stilling trying to get questions answered. Their attorney requested an opinion from Attorney General Jim Hood last month. The topics are all about clarifying the application of gun laws. Traffic stops were also mentioned. That’s a point Ward is especially concerned about. “We’re not a threat to police officers just because we carry a gun,” he said.

John -A new law was passed in Pennsylvania that allows firearms owners to sue government agencies for their bigoted firearms laws.  Now some Democrats are upset they broke the law.. and have to pay for it.  Some of the anti-gun politicians thought they could ignore the Pennsylvania state pre-emption laws, and keep the civil rights protesters tied up in court forever.  After all, the politicians are spending someone else’s money for lawyers.  Not any more.  Now Pennsylvania politicians get to tell their story to the judge.. and pay up.
rachel comment- So now we get to find out if a law is a restriction on the right of self-defense.. or not!

Rob -Are you one in a million.. or one in a thousand?  A newly created database of New Yorkers deemed too mentally unstable to carry firearms has grown to roughly 34,500 names.  That recently released figure raised concerns among some mental health advocates.  The mental health professionals said too many people were being categorized as dangerous to themselves or others.  Civil rights activists worried that people who posed no threat at all would have their rights infringed. Mental health advocates also argued that the new laws unnecessarily stigmatized people with mental illnesses. Because the names in New York’s database and the circumstances of their cases are private, it is impossible to independently determine whether the people in the database are truly dangerous. Gun-rights opponents claim a wide net is appropriate because of the potentially dire consequences. Even if just one dangerous person had a gun taken away, “that’s a good thing,” said Brian Malte, senior national policy director of the Brady Campaign.  The N R A proposed a separate “process of adjudication” to make sure that “these decisions are not being made capriciously and maliciously.”

John comment- As usual, the New York legislature and the elite New York press ignore that guns save lives.  They will never count the disarmed victims who could have defended themselves if the state had allowed them to be armed.

Rachel -A jury of six men and six women acquitted a Norristown, Pennsylvania man Thursday of all charges related to a shooting last year.  A drunk man entered Culbreath’s Barbershop.  The drunk argued with mister Albert Dudley who works at the barbershop.  Dudley has a concealed carry license.. and was carrying at the time.  The drunk tried to take Mister Dudley’s gun.  In the struggle Dudley fired a round into the floor, and also through the arm of the intoxicated man.

Dudley was arrested and charged by Norristown police.  This week he was found innocent of two counts of aggravated assault, two counts of simple assault and one count of recklessly endangering another person.

Rob comment- a gun is not the ultimate weapon.  It is a tool among many options.  A bigoted prosecutor is dangerous to firearms owners.

John -Matthew Halleck brings his two girls to and from the outskirts of Harriet Bishop Elementary in Rochester, Minnesota every day. “I’m going to protect my children anyway I can,” said Halleck. For Matthew, that means having a concealed carry license and carrying where he can.  Recently, a sign went up in a front yard across the street from the school. It has Matthew’s picture on it and reads, “This man carries a loaded gun around your children every day. Since we don’t have a way to stop him, we felt it was important to notify the neighborhood and the parents that there is an armed man in their presence,” said Kimberly Edson, a Rochester resident who put the sign up.
Rachel comment- You are always an ambassador.  Sometimes a good one.  Sometimes a bad one.
Rob- I’d like to thank Mr Halleck

Rob -Edgewood High School Principal Russ Fussnecker may soon start his work day by strapping on a gun. His Butler County, Ohio school district near Cincinnati allows school administrators to carry a handgun while on school grounds. Fussnecker said he will get a concealed-carry gun license then take the required training from the Butler County Sheriff’s department.  They would give him a certificate to carry a handgun in a public school building.

The School Principal said, “If someone wants to come into a school building and create havoc and cause harm, it is hard to stop them (if we’re unarmed).  An armed principal “will make the school safer.” Butler County and its schools have been emphasizing building security.  School officials credit Sheriff Richard Jones, who has made national headlines since Sandy Hook with some of his safety proposals including using former police and military officers as armed substitute teachers.
comment- good for Principal Fussnecker.  It would be better if no one knew who was armed.

Rachel -In Episode 276, we reported on how the Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors were using an armed robbery at a Kroger store to push their move to have legal open or concealed carry banned at the chain. It looks like they are at it again. In this case, the armed robber was dressed in a black hoodie, carried an umbrella, and had on a Halloween skeleton mask while demanding cash at gunpoint. They say, “These crimes at two Kroger stores in one week should serve as a wake up call to Kroger’s leadership to prohibit the open carry of firearms in its stores. Kroger customers should not be responsible for determining if someone in the store holding a gun is a criminal or making a political statement. “

We are including the surveillance photo issued by the Cincinnati Police in our show notes so that you can make the determination.

John Comment – If I were that teller, I’d already have pressed the silent alarm and readied the exploding dye packet of money. It is that obvious.
rob comment- Mandatory disarmament is a fantasy.  They want a no-guns sign as if that will work any better than the no robbery sign.
rachel comment- We will see if Kroger customers and management is smart enough to know the difference between a fantasy and reality.

john – The US Supreme Court has agreed to take a case tangentially involving firearms. It is actually more of a takings case. Former Border Patrol Agent Tony Henderson was convicted of distributing marijuana back in 2007 and sentenced to 6 months in prison. When he was arrested, he voluntarily gave his 19 firearms to the FBI. Henderson later asked to be able to sell the firearms as a felon cannot own firearms and a judge refused. The 11th Circuit Ct. of Appeals in Atlanta affirmed the ruling. The legal question is whether the federal prohibition on felons possessing firearms terminates all ownership rights. His attorney argues that leaving the ruling intact strips gun owners of their property rights for conviction upon an unrelated charge. The government argues that Henderson could have transferred or sold the guns prior to his conviction.
comment Rob- It isn’t clear if Henderson faced full due process.

Rob – There was a terror attack in Ottawa, Canada today at the War Memorial and the Canadian Parliament. Corporal Nathan Cirillo was on duty at the War Memorial and was killed in the attack. The attack was attributed to radicalized Canadian Muslim convert Michael Zehaf-Bibeau who was killed by police during his attack on Parliament. This didn’t stop supermodel Chrissy Teigen from using the event to criticize US gun laws.

Our sympathy to the family of Corporal Cirillo.  I noticed that the Parliament was protected by armed security.  They met violence with violence and saved the legislators.  As a counter example, Canadian citizens are asked to wait as disarmed victims until the police arrive.

Rachel – Missouri State Senator Jamilah Nasheed had a gun in her possession at the time she was arrested.  She was arrested as she protested outside the Ferguson Missouri Police Department. Senator Nasheed has a concealed carry license, and has an anti-gun voting record.  She sponsored several Missouri Bills including a Gun Owner Registry.  She also refused to take a breath analysis because the police thought she acted strangely, she was kneeling in the street and she “smelled strongly of intoxicants.”

Rob comment- You or I would be in jail.  She goes to trial next year.

John- Gun Quote “One bleeding-heart type asked me in a recent interview if I did not agree that ‘violence begets violence.’ I told him that it is my earnest endeavor to see that it does. I would like very much to ensure — and in some cases I have — that any man who offers violence to his fellow citizen begets a whole lot more in return than he can enjoy.” – Jeff Cooper

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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What will Washington initiative 591 do?  Why was 591 necessary?

It’s designed to prevent gun confiscation like we saw after Katrina – without due process. It also prevents state agencies from promoting background checks that are stricter than a national standard. (See full text)

An initiative is just as a law passed by the legislature, but with greater protections (it can’t be changed immediately).

What happens if 591 and 594 both pass?
It’s unclear what happens when two competing initiatives pass, covering the same topic. Possibly, the conflicting portions would simply be cancelled out; possibly, the courts would consider which initiative received more votes.

Why have two competing initiatives, instead of simply opposing 594?
difficulties in educating voters on what’s in 594
additional protections are afforded by 591
Do law enforcement support 591?
Yes. Most do.
Why is initiative 594 particularly dangerous?

It criminalizes non-violent behavior, including normal firearms safety classes. It shuts down the gun culture in Washington State by making it very difficult to take friends shooting or to go hunting with your family. Also, because it’s an initiative, the legislature would not be able to change anything about it for at least two years.

Where can we donate to 591?   CCRKBA or WA gunrights.org

Segment 4 DGUs
Rob – In our last two episodes, we’ve featured DGUs in which someone with a knife is stopped by an armed citizen. In this case, a Flint, Michigan robber brandished a knife and demanded money last Thursday around 7pm. The victim responded by pulling his legally carried firearm while calling 9-1-1. The victim held the robber until police arrived and arrested the robber.

Rachel –The residents of a Bellevue, Nebraska apartment started keeping a shotgun near the front door after a previous break-in. It came in handy after Tyrell Dalia, 21, broke into the home Saturday night armed with a handgun. One of the occupants responded to Dalia’s threats with armed force. Dalia, who was out on bail while awaiting trial on felony charges, was killed.

Rob Comment – Wait, I thought people under indictment for a felony weren’t supposed to have firearms.

John –A home invasion in Sarasota County, Florida turned deadly early Tuesday morning. Fortunately, it was deadly for the home invader and not the residents. When home owner Chris Bane heard the glass break at 5:40 am, he armed himself. Going out into the hallway, he came face to face with Calvin Yoder. After Yoder fired a shot at him, Mr. Bane returned fire killing Yoder. A spokeswoman for the Sarasota County Sheriff’s Dept says no charges will be brought against Mr. Bane as he was defending himself and his 11 year old son. Yoder had been arrested several times and had served time in prison.

Rob – A store clerk in Albuquerque, New Mexico gave the armed robbers $100 and his watch. The Pajarito Corner Store had been the target of armed robberies in the past. When the clerk went to lock the door of the store after they left, one of them turned around and pointed a firearm at him from their Mercedes. That is when he shot and killed one of the robbers. Christopher Garza, 20, was pronounced dead at UNM Hospital. Police say the shooting was justified. His accomplice, Reuben Lucero, also 20, is now being charged with felony murder in his death.

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I wrote about our California gun laws.  Mental health evaluations don’t work to protect us.

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank our guest Miko Tempski for joining us today. Our go fund me page needs some love. We’re raising money to bring you streaming video from next years Gun Rights Policy Conference in Phoenix, Arizona. Rachel and Rob, will you be with us for the weekend show? I’m looking forward to it. So until next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: Y’all please be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 252 – Another MAIG Mayor Goes to Prison

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, July 12, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty, and we’ll talk about self-defense news.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, we also have our normal DGU segment and some emails to talk about.

Gary D: so climb aboard

Gary H: strap in

Paul and hang on! Episode 252 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Gary D: Yesterday I finished training and qualifying two more students from my most recent  private Illinois concealed carry class.

Gary: Tonight Harley Nights.

Rachel: Participated in a highly successful CATI walk specially for the ladies – the Gunpowder and Lace walk – and then came home and went outside with a few friends to zero a rifle and got to fire off a couple of rounds about 15 minutes before we went live tonight. FNAR. Sweet rifle, sweet glass.

Paul: Starting the process of getting a new family member (dog), major annoyance while trying to do research for todays show, Auto loading videos that will not stop until the advertisement has run. (I will buy Dannon yogurt again sometime after I eat at Buffalo Wild Wings and get a downtown Manhattan apartment)

Matthew: Shot my first Appleseed today.

 

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Gary D – Headline – Police Bust Local Man on Felony Gun Charges – I’m sure you’re thinking good they got another bad guy off the street. But, wait. A FFL and a very vocal gun rights activist gets food poisoning so severe that he needs to be intubated in the hospital. Of course anybody who is intubated must be restrained so they don’t hurt themselves pulling the tube out of their throat. According to hospital policy anybody who is restrained has a mandatory meeting with the psychiatrist. Mandatory treatment means bye bye FFL, which I understand he has spent 6 figures in legal fees trying to get back, bye bye Illinois concealed carry instructor certification, bye bye Illinois FOID card. I don’t know what evidence was used, possibly facebook pictures of a personal gun collection, but two search warrants were issued for the man’s business and for his home where three handguns, two rifles, 1800 rounds of ammunition and some reloading gear was confiscated. Over the years he has ruffled a lot of even pro gun feathers in blog posts and on social media. Now he is being vilified for doing nothing wrong until the last minute when he didn’t immediately relinquish all of his guns after his FOID card was revoked, all because of comments made on social media. Be careful what you post.

 

Paul- It looks like there is a fight going on in Miami, and some good advice inadvertently is coming out of the policemen’s union  From the WVSN website

 

MIAMI (WSVN) — Miami-Dade County could end up with hundreds of police officers losing their jobs in a budget proposal made by Miami-Dade Mayor Carlos Gimenez, Tuesday.

“This is it, start of a long-term budget strategy that will help us avoid yearly budget crises,” said Gimenez during his announcement of the 2014-2015 budget proposal.

The budget cuts close to 650 county jobs to fill a $64 million hole in the general fund. Miami-Dade Police could see the largest cuts if certain concessions are not made by the local labor union. “If we get no concessions whatsoever, then you’re looking at about 250 police officers,” said Gimenez.

If police department cuts are made, officers from administrative posts would likely shift to the street and certain specialized units that deal with robberies and child abuse cases could see positions vanish. “One of the directions I told the director was that I wanted to have the same number of patrol officers in the street that we have today,” said Gimenez.

The Miami-Dade Police Benevolent Association fired back after the proposal, saying public safety is paramount and these proposed cuts will have a negative impact. John Rivera, president of the Miami-Dade Police Benevolent Association, said, “If the mayor’s not going to provide security, then my recommendation, as an experienced law enforcement officer for nearly 40 years, is either buy yourself an attack dog, put bars on your windows and doors and get yourself some firearms because you’re going to have to protect yourselves. We won’t be able to.”

Rachael: Jeff Knox reports in WND.com that the USA Today has started running full page ads paid for by Bloomfield press. That is the publishing company owned by Allan Korwin. He provides many of our gun quotes. The full page ads relate what you hear each and every episode here, Defensive gun uses. These are almost never seen in places like the USA today. Korwin plans to keep running these from time to time in the USA Today and expand them out to other papers and media outlets as well. Good on you Allan, keep it up! Please check out the show notes for this episode to find a link where you can help him keep these ads going.

 

Matthew: Miguel Gonzales reports in his Gun Free Zone blog that an interesting study came out last week. The study by Garen J Wintremute was a look to find out just how many attempts were made to “straw purchase” a gun. I am going to direct you to Miguel’s blog if you want all of the details including how the numbers were reached, but the end result of the study comes out that of all attempts to buy a gun in 2011 (the year the study was in effect) one half of one percent of all attempts were illegal or only about 1 in every 200.  It looks to me like the law is working.

 

Paul:Former New Orleans Mayor and member of Bloomberg’s MAIG or as I prefer Mayors Against Good Guys Owning Tactical Stuff (MAGGOTS) – Thanks to Chaz Murray of the Roadgunner podcast who I stole that from-  Ray Nagan was sentenced this week to 10 years for corruption. He was convicted on 20 of 21 counts of bribery, wire fraud, tax evasion and other crimes earlier this year. Former Mayor Nagan was in charge in New Orleans when Katrina hit and is largely responsible for the gun confiscation debacle that happened during the catastrophe. I sincerely hope that Mayor Nagan goes to a real prison and not a club fed.

Gun Quotes

 

Gary : I have a couple of gun quotes for you:

When a person has a gun, sometimes their mind clicks that this thing will win arguments and straighten people out. –Bill Cosby

When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody. –Bill Cosby

If this is the prevailing anti-gun mindset, then I understand why they believe that the government should keep our guns out of our hands.  Of all the gun owners I know, have trained and trained with, none of them have this mindset.

 

On a more positive note, we have a quote from of all people Brad Pitt,

 

America is a country founded on guns. It’s in our DNA. It’s very strange but I feel better having a gun. I really do. I don’t feel safe, I don’t feel the house is completely safe, if I don’t have one hidden somewhere. That’s my thinking, right or wrong.

(Brad, Since I know that you have more houses than just in California, and I think that if you were to ask the LA county Sheriff if you could have a CCW he would grant you one in the MAY issue state of CAlifornia I would suggest that is it far safer to carry the gun on your person than to have one hidden away where you may or may not be able to get to it.)

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Gary H: DGU #1

 

Jackson  Mississippi Police are looking for a third suspect involved in an early Thursday morning home invasion and shooting.

JPD Public Information Officer, Colendula Green tells us three suspects broke into a home around 2 a.m. on Myrtlewood. Police say the homeowner used his gun and fired several shots.

One person was hit in the head and taken to the hospital with life threatening injuries. A second person was found shot in the chest behind a house across the street several hours later.

Police say that suspect is also suffering from life threatening injuries. The third suspect is still on the loose.  (One suspects some training here. One chest shot and one head shot out of 3 suspects)

Rachael DGU #2

 

WISN out of Milwaukee tells the story of a carjacker that wasn’t so successful. The 15 year old criminal tried to carjack one person earlier this week. When the victim realised that he was being targeted he hit the throttle and started to drive away. The young punk fired at the victim, who drove himself to the hospital after being struck in the jaw by a bullet., Injured but alive and still in possession of his property. The next day the young Obama supporter (not in the story but added by Paul) decided to try, try again. This time he picked a woman who has a CCW and was carrying. He is in Serious but stable condition in the hospital and is facing multiple felony charges.

 

Gary D: DGU #3

 

On the last show Rob and John talked about a DGU that took place in Chicago I wanted to address that a little more — Obviously there was an argument going on and then someone went into the house came back out and started shooting. I hope what is taught in every concealed carry and self-defense gun class is first try to de-escalate the argument even if this means leaving the area. Second, the time to escape was when the guy went into the house not after he comes back out shooting.

 

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rachel: Email #1

Rob,

 

I am the John from San Antonio who took the Appleseed training with Rachel and called into  Gun Talk.  I am a pediatric orthopedic surgeon and am trying to advance gun rights in my little corner of Texas.  My area of concern is that Texas state law mandates that hospitals and nursing homes must post the state designated signs to prevent concealed license holders from carrying on the premises.  As we both know, this turns hospitals into victim disarmament zones. Unfortunately, hospital administrators are not willing to allow staff to carry. This is allowed under state law.

I also presented a resolution to our county medical society board to remove gun free zones. They voted it down 22-2. I have been in communication with Timothy Wheeler, MD from Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership to help me with the medical community. Unfortunately, he has run into similar problems in the past. On a better note, I have organized some Introductory pistol courses for medical staff. I got a couple of good instructors to do them for me. You might recognize their names: Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. The first course we got 12 students including the 16 year old daughter of a physician and one of the doctors who voted against the resolution at the county medical society.  We’ve scheduled the next one for September. I’ve also personally taken over 20 new shooters to the range in the past year and am going to take the NRA Basic and Pistol instructor courses next weekend. I’m also hoping Rachel will help me when the next legislative session convenes in 2015.

I hope to meet you at GRPC in Chicago.

 

John

 

Paul: Email #2

 

Thank you so much for your tribute to your little dog. I am so sorry for your huge loss. You especially touched me, as my doggie, Shuggie, 11 pounds of poodle love, is about the same age, with a similar history, and I thought I was going to lose him on July 1st. The previous night, he had collapsed 4 times in a 10 hour stretch. But, he recovered over the next few days and has rebounded this past week. I know the end is near for him, and I, too, dread the rapidly approaching day. Your experience is touching, and your  words were comforting. Thanks.
Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

 

Gary D: Email #3

 

Anthony Lucafo sent in a link to us relaying a story that Dick Durban is trying to push more gun control bills in the Senate. I don’t expect much to come of this, but we will keep an eye in it. After all Dick has often proved that he is aptly named.

Gary H: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of September 13th and 14th in Culpepper Virginia. Don’t forget that the Tactical Couples class is the weekend after that in Centerton Arkansas.. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

 

Rachel: Rob had a post from his SlowFacts blog.  WE are ordinary gun owners, and we have a super-power.  WE are trusted by our neighbors. The ordinary gun owner has a reputation for being honest, fun to be around, and trustworthy. That reputation is the antidote to the lies told by the anti-rights crowd because our neighbors believe us rather than the media. The question is this. Will we use our super-power for good? Will we take a friend shooting?

 

Gary D: Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

 

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…

Gary H: stay safe,

Gary D:: be aware,

Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 249 – Jim Irvine and Molly Pitcher

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on wednesday, July 2nd, 2014, I’m Rachel Malone.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we have an interview with Jim Irvine of Buckeye Firearms talking about training school staff to protect our children.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and have an interview with Molly Pitcher of CATI-Austin talking about the upcoming Gunpowder and Lace ladies open carry walk.
Rachel, we have our usual weekly news and stories of defensive gun use, as well as Mary Ann Schow talking about gun games for our tips and tricks segment, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Rachel: Episode 249 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant
Rob- Dry practice and wondering about new training techniques.

John- Still waiting for a SIRT pistol coming out in M&P since I’m not a Glock fanboi.

Rachel- Gave a presentation along with a local CATI leader for TAG (Texans for Accountable Government). We talked about gun legislation in Texas – why it failed, good outcomes from that, and what we need from activists to get stuff done next spring in the legislative session. I like the way TAG functions – they encourage their members to take charge in their area of interest and provide support by facilitating communication to other activists who can help out.

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News_Partner_whiteRob- To open the news we have a rant from Rachel Malone. This one is about the heart of leadership, so let us know what is on your mind, Miss Malone.
Rachel-

I was asked the other day, “How many people do you have who would blindly follow you?”

My response: “Nobody, I hope.”

I don’t want people to follow me. Now, that might sound strange. I AM the leader of a gun rights organization, am I not? Aren’t I supposed to be leading the way? Why on earth would I NOT want people to follow me?!

I’ve got three reasons.

#1 – I’m not going to do your work for you.

The responsibility of running this country and holding elected officials accountable belongs to We the People. Last time I checked, I wasn’t a plural entity. I’m one person, and I’m responsible for myself. You’re another person, and you’re responsible for yourself. Get out there and do what you’re supposed to do.

Even though I am the director of a gun rights organization here in Texas – I want all you Texans out there to know, I’m not going to lobby for you. I’m going to lobby for myself. I’ll teach you how to lobby, I’ll teach you how to be involved, but I won’t do your work for you. Get out there and do the job yourselves!

Even if I wanted to be nice and do your work for you….

#2 – I’m not always right.

As hard as I work to research thoroughly and get my facts straight and present 100% correct information, I’m still very human. I’m going to mess up sometimes. It’s happened before, and it will certainly happen again. I’ll be responsible for my own mistakes, but please don’t try to make me responsible for yours.

Also, I may simply hold to a slightly different position than you on some things. So, perhaps our beliefs line up perfectly in most things but diverge in 10%. You’d be wrong to just blindly follow because you’d be violating your conscience in that 10%.

Even if I were always right and you knew you would always agree with me…

#3 – I want you to think for yourself.

If you end up following me, that’s great, but it has to be because you took time to consider the issue, look at the facts, and come to your own strong conviction that just happened to match up with mine.

A large part of what I’ve done with Texas Firearms Freedom is to take the time to do extensive research on an issue or on a piece of legislation, and then give people pertinent information on that bill. I DO give them my own conclusions and suggested action items as a convenience for them, but I always try to avoid pressuring people to just fall in line and do what I say.

My hope is that I can persuade people with logical arguments and facts, so that they take up my position with strong conviction. I don’t want passive agreement. I would rather have people believe what they believe with strong conviction whether they agree or disagree with me.

A person will fight for a belief with the same strength he believes it. So if you reach your conclusion by examining the facts and thinking for yourself, I think you’ll fight for it more strongly. You’ll have more reason to do so and more conviction that you’re right. You’ll be fighting for what YOU believe in. And THAT is what I want.

CONCLUSION:
I don’t want to have people blindly follow me. I want people to think for themselves and reach their own conclusions and chart their own courses to complete their own missions. I want to help them understand the process of effecting change so they can achieve their goals. Sure, I’ll tell them what I think and try to be persuasive, but at the end of the day, I don’t want them to agree with me just because I said something and they follow me. If they agree, I want it to be because they believe strongly the same things that I do, and they have reached those conclusions themselves.

Beware of anyone who asks you to blindly follow. Be very wary of any organization that sends you an action item without any explanation. Be extremely cautious and ready to cut ties with anyone who tries to get you to quit thinking and just do what they want you to do. That’s not their place. It makes your job a little bit easier right now, but it’s a cop out. Quit copping out. Do your own thinking.

I should also note that I consciously operate in the same way. You can’t buy my vote or agreement just because you’re my friend or you voted with me or helped me with some project. I won’t decide to agree with you as a favor to you, or because I “owe you one.” I’m not just going to follow you blindly no matter who you are and how much I like you as a person (and, I’m not going to refuse to work with you no matter how much I dislike you). No, you have to earn my vote or agreement. You have to persuade me. You have to show me that you’re right and convince me of the reasons. Do that, and you earn my support.

And I hope, for at least some of you, I will help you to think through issues and convince you of my position and earn your support. But please – make me EARN it. Don’t ever blindly follow me.

-Comments? Thoughts?

Rob- Rachel, that is why we give our listener news and DGU, so they can make up their own mind.

John- Hear-hear

1- John – Let’s start off with good news. Thanks to your efforts, Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) has listened to us. He vetoed the bill, A2006/S993, which would have banned possession of magazines with greater than 10 round capacity. Christie said in his veto message that the bill was one of those “cheaply recycled answers that never really address the root causes” of violence”.  He goes on to say, “These advocates argue that forcing an unstable, untreated, and likely clinically ill shooter to pause to reload during a rampage will humanely spare lives. This is the very embodiment of reform in name only. “ ANJRPC Executive Director Scott Bach said, “The Governor clearly recognizes the difference between legislation that punishes violent criminals vs. legislation that targets the rights of law-abiding citizens.”

Rob 2 -It wasn’t a quiet weekend in the windy city or the big apple.  21 people were shot in New York city and 42 people shot in Chicago over the weekend.  Both cities are the epitome of gun control and big government.  Both your big gulp and your magazine capacity are regulated and registered, but the violent crimes just keep on coming.  Strange, but the city government hasn’t learned that over-regulating the honest people hasn’t controlled the behavior of criminals at all.

Rachel- Maybe their gun free zone sign is broken, and no one told them?
John- I don’t think they want to learn.
Rachel- I don’t think they care. Regulation is the goal, not the means.
Rob- I think you’re right.

Rachel- Here is more news from Chicago.  Richard Hernandez was supposed to stop gang violence as a paid “interrupter” in the anti-gang CeaseFire program.  Now Chicago cops have another name for Hernandez. They call him a rapist.  Hernandez faces 36 counts of sexual assault and kidnapping of a teenage girl while he worked for the anti-violence program.  Hernandez is one of  nine employees of the CeaseFire who faced serious criminal charges in recent years.  Their convictions included illegal weapons possession and drug charges.

John 4- Outside the corrupt city of Chicago, Illinois now has over 60 thousand licensed concealed carry holders since the state started accepting application in January.  Firearms sales often slump during the summer as people get busy, but sales of handguns and the request for training and licensing courses have continued to grow.

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Rob- 5 As part of the American Civil Liberties Union’s recent report on police militarization, the Massachusetts chapter of the organization sent open records requests to SWAT teams across that state. They received a very interesting answer.  Small police department pool their resources and share a SWAT team.  The teams are operated by law enforcement councils, or LECs. These LECs are funded by several police agencies in a given geographic area and overseen by an executive board, which is usually made up of police chiefs from member police departments.  The LECs also facilitate technology and information sharing and oversee other specialized units, such as crime scene investigators and computer crime specialists.

This is the interesting part, the SWAT teams said they do not have to respond to freedom of information requests because they are not a state agency.  On the one hand, they claim that corporate status exempts them from open-records laws. On the other, they still claim the privilege of using deadly force on behalf of the state, and their evidence is admissable as a law enforcement officer.  I think someone has something to hide and needed better legal advice.

6 John – The California Legislature has now passed AB 1964 and sent it to Gov. Jerry Brown. The bill would eliminate the single-shot exemption to the Cal Handgun Roster. Only handguns originally made as single shots would be exempted. A firearm that was converted would have to be on the roster or it would be outlawed for sale. The Firearms Policy Coalition has an page up urging Gov. Brown to veto the bill. Links are in the show notes. They are also asking people to make their voice heard on SB 53 which would ban online sales of ammo in California (among other things). A link for that is up as well.

Rachel 7- Will the last manufacturer to leave the blue states please turn out the lights.  PTR left Connecticut and gave a commemorative rifle to the Governor of its new home in South Carolina.  Remington moved some of its production lines from New York to Alabama.  Sturm Ruger & Co Inc is building a 220,000-square-foot building in North Carolina. Colt which is also headquartered in Connecticut, moved its shop to Texas at the end of 2013.  Beretta abandoned Maryland and moved to Tennessee shortly after Maryland lawmakers banned assault weapons’ sales.  The reasons are simple.  These companies moved because of laws, costs and people.  They found more of what they wanted in other states.

John – comment – I hope to visit the PTR factory in a couple of weeks when we vacation at Myrtle Beach. Maybe I’ll come back with an interview.

Rob- They don’t build airplanes in California any more, and they don’t build cars in detroit any longer.

John 8- If you felt a bump in the night, it was a wave of freedom felt on July 1 as several states recognized more rights of self defense.  In Georgia, the guns everywhere bill went into effect with 12 new pro-defense provisions in state law.  Even purple Virginia had seven new pro hunting provisions take effect.  Mississippi had three bills become law that limit local pre-emption, exempts disabled veterans from paying hunting license fees, and created a tax holiday for hunting and fishing equipment.  A Tennessee bill will allow a gun owner to carry his firearm in his car without a permit while a second Tennessee bill makes it illegal to harass hunters and fishermen with drones.  Blue state Maryland allowed Sunday hunting, expanded hunting season, and instituted special classes to teach hunters to cull the overpopulation of deer in some Maryland counties.

Rob 9-Ahh, smell the freedom.. except in Los Angeles, California.  There the stupid is still strong.  The LA City Council proposed a 10 round magazine capacity ban.  That would make possessing large-capacity magazines a misdemeanor.  It would eliminate any grandfather exemption and demand standard capacity magazines be surrendered in 60 days.  There are of course exceptions for law enforcement and museum collections.  None of these new laws would have stopped the latest killer in Santa Barbara.

John Comment-  Somehow the criminals will ignore our 23 thousand gun laws, but obey this one.

Rob Comment- The stupid is everywhere in LA.

Rachel 10- Last episode we reported on the Federal district judge who denied the appeal of Colorado sheriffs to rescind the new Colorado gun restrictions.

Rob- Comment- Is this the same judge who took data from before the background check law went into effect to show that people didn’t use background checks?

Rachel – Yep, that is the judge.  Well the sheriffs have decided to appeal her ruling.

Weld County Sheriff John Cooke said,  “These laws are unconstitutional and unenforceable due to the way they are written.”

Rob- John and I met Sheriff Cooke.  I remember him.

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11 John- The Bloomberg funded group “Moms demand action” was asked to leave a Target department store in San Antonio, Texas.  The group demand that Target refuse service to licensed concealed carry holders.  The daughter of one of the protesters was murdered in a gun free zone.. so they want to turn all Target stores into gun-free zones.

Rob- What?  I can imagine this in Dallas, but Austin.

12 John – Unfortunately, Target has now issued a “Starbucks” type of statement regarding the carry of firearms in their stores. They say, “But starting today we will also respectfully request that guests not bring firearms to Target – even in communities where it is permitted by law.” I take this to mean that while they won’t post their stores, they want their stores to be unofficially gun-free zones. While Everyday Moms for Illegal Mayors is claiming victory, a spokewoman for Target clarified that “It is not a ban,” she said. “There is no prohibition.” Nonetheless, it is a PR win for the anti’s.

Rachel- There is stupid even in Texas, but not much.

Rob 13- Really, Rachel, then explain this.  Dallas County has an agreement with a private gun range to accept the firearms taken from people charged with domestic abuse or the subject of a protective order.  Jan Langbein, CEO of Genesis Women’s Shelter said, “Imagine how much better victims would sleep at night knowing all the guns had been removed.”  I say, “Imagine how helpless the victims will feel if their abuser drops a dime on them and has the victim disarmed by the cops.”

John- My lawyer can beat up your lawyer.

Rob- Exactly.

Rachel- Comment- Are you guys picking on Texas?

Rob- I know restraining orders are fairly common in divorce cases, but I’ve never found an example of someone charged for making false claims of domestic abuse.  The liars are simply never prosecuted.

Rachel 14-  There  is no workable definition of an assault rifle, yet many anti-gun politicians use exactly that pejorative term Assault Rifle to ban modern sporting rifles.  Well Ares Defense has come up with an AR-15 configuration that going to frustrate the gun grabbers.  It doesn’t have a flash suppressor or bayonet lug.  It has a conventional stock, yet it uses stock AR uppers.  It operates like an AR.  Eats ammo like an AR, and it shoots like an AR, but it looks just like any other semi-automatic hunting rifle.

Comment- A few pounds of freedom coming to an over-regulated gun-banning jurisdiction near you.

John15-More cops are doing it right.  The Paragould, Arkansas Police Department trained citizens  to carry concealed.  The one-day class covered the laws surrounding handguns and how to properly handle, fire and care for them. Students then went to the range with instructors for a live-fire practice session.  One instructor said the class is important because it also teaches students how to avoid becoming a victim. “Not just teaching them the specifics about carry and conceal, where you can carry, where you can’t carry, but give them information that they can use in their daily lives.  Be aware of your surroundings and reduce the chances, of having to use that concealed handgun to defend themselves or a loved one.”  Classes are available each month until October.  This is the department’s nineteenth year teaching the class.

Rob, I read about some other departments doing this.  Good for them.

John – Kathi Jackson will join us on Saturday night.

Rob Gun Quotes

A gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman. Prince Philip

Rachel-Coming right up, we have an interview with Molly Pitcher of CATI-Austin regarding an upcoming special event, as well as an interview with Jim Irvine of Buckeye Firearms, so stay tuned.

The Gunpowder and Lace Walk sponsored by CATI Austin will be held Saturday, July 12, 10:30 AM at the Capitol Visitors Parking Garage (12th st. and San Jacinto). Participants will meet on the corner for a safety briefing and then walk down Congress Ave. to 6th Street. Ladies, bring your black powder pistols and/or long guns. Chamber checks will be conducted as always to ensure safety (no round in the chamber for long guns). Long guns should be carried on a sling in a way that keeps the muzzle in a safe direction at all times.  More Info.  Facebook event page.  CATI TX page

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this interview with Jim Irvine of Buckeye Firearms.

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Rachel 1- It is good to have friends with guns in Pennsylvania.  Christopher Vazques and an associate robbed a 60 year old man in front of the victim’s house, taking his valuables and keys.  The victim recognized them and called police.  Because his keys were taken, the victim stayed outside to protect his car.  The thieves came back to take the car and they began beating the victim when he said he’d reported the earlier crime to police.  Moments later a neighbor yelled for the two men to stop beating the victim.  The neighbor fired one shot, striking Vazquez in the chest.  The criminal died at the hospital.  The shooter was taken into custody and released without charges.

Rob- Police were called to the Step-N-Style in Dayton Ohio before noon.  Two armed and masked men entered the store and demanded cash.  The store had been robbed before, only this time the store owner was armed.  He shot one of the armed robbers, and his accomplice fled.  Police later identified the dead criminal as 16 year old Isiah Haggins, Jr.

He lived with his grandmother, and the family was surprized by his armed criminal behavior.

Very few criminals start with armed robbery.  The start with stealing property, then burglary, then, finally muggings and armed robbery.  Maybe this young man was different, but for most criminals committing armed robbery, it isn’t their first crime.

John – The manager of La Bodega Mexican restaurant was happy that an off-duty Midland (Texas) Police detective was eating in his restaurant this past Friday night. That is because Nyocomus Garnett, 35, entered the restaurant through its backdoor intent on committing armed robbery. After Garnett fired several shots in the kitchen, he exited into the restaurant where he was met by the off-duty detective who told him to drop his handgun. Garnett refused and then tried to shoot the detective. That is when the detective shot and killed Garnett. No patrons or restaurant staff were injured in the robbery attempt. Police say that Garnett had an “extensive history” with Midland law enforcement.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Rachel- From listener Chris Gillespie
I was a local store purchasing a monthly gun magazine. I reached the check out counter and the clerk asked if I concealed carry. I was thrown off guard by this question. I said “lets hope we never have to find out if I do.” How would you guys have answered that question?
Comments- Rachel? John? Rob?

Rob: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rachel John, do you have any new posts from your Blog, No Lawyers, only guns and money you want to mention?

John: I do. I did a post Monday about the story we discussed a bit earlier. It was about the Target store in San Antonio that ushered the gun control protesters off their property. The organizer made a comment that stuck me with me. She said they were “armed with children and clipboards.” The UN and all responsible and moral people have condemned the use of children as soldiers. While qualitatively different than the warlords in the Congo and elsewhere, it is still using innocent children as tools and props in a war against gun rights.

Rob- Well said, John Richardson.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 243 – Texas Convention and Andrew Rothman

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, June 11th, 2014. I’m Rachel Malone
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonight’s show we’ll talk with trainer Andrew Rothman about some serious health issues affecting indoor shooters.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of news and defensive gun use,
Rachel- We have my speech at the Texas State Republican Convention, so climb aboard
Rob- strap in
John: and hang on! Episode 243 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant
Rachel Malone- Back from saving Texas at the state Republican Convention. Been all across the state and glad to be home!

I’m the founder and director of Texas Firearms Freedom, an organization that equips Texans to stand up for gun rights. Through that, I come alongside gun groups and liberty lovers all across Texas to help them understand the process of effecting political change.

I got into guns and shooting when I became convinced that I needed a CHL. Subsequently, I received rifle marksmanship instruction through Project Appleseed and tactical firearms training through Battle Road USA. Now I get to pass along what I’ve learned to other students; I’m a CHL instructor, an Appleseed shoot boss, and on staff at Battle Road USA.

I’m a lifelong Texan. I was trained as a classical musician and currently work in central Texas as a freelance musician.

RM at RPT

John – Hi, I’m John Richardson and I blog at No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money. Besides shooting and pinking, I collect old military rifles esp. Swedish Mausers and Swiss K-31 Schmidt-Rubins.

Rob- Sunday I was on Armed American Radio.  Mark Walters is the host and George Hill was on with him.  We talked about my blog post discussing the bad tactics of Open Carry Texas.  They gave me two segments.  One of our listeners wrote in about OCT, so we will talk about it more in our e-mail segment.

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Rob- Families worried about mentally unstable loved ones hurting themselves or others would be able to seek a court order to take firearms away under a bill introduced Thursday in the New Jersey Senate. “Families or a close friend are those who know best if someone has reached that point where they are mentally ill and violently prone,” said the bill’s sponsor Democrat Senator Richard Codey of Essex. “You can look at our ongoing history over the last 10 years – Aurora, Columbine, more recently in California,” Codey said. “Clearly, these people were severely mentally ill, needed help, and should not have had guns in their possession.”  That is what they say, anyway.

New Jersey civil rights advocates said the wording of the bill is not public yet, but they hoped any legislation would allow for due process and respect constitutional rights of trial by jury and the presumption of innocence.

Rob- This is the call about your neighbor so the cops take his guns away, bill.  I’d use it if I were a criminal who wanted to disarm my intended victim.. say a shopkeeper who wouldn’t pay protection money.  What will the ACLU say?

Do you have any thoughts?

Rachel- (comment) Who should have authority to decide who gets to keep and bear arms?

John- Michigan gets it.. or this is simply election year pandering.  Michigan’s Republican-led Senate approved legislation to eliminate county gun boards, have county clerks issue concealed pistol permits and require state police to perform accompanying background checks. Sponsoring Sen. Mike Green, R-Mayville, says his proposal would make Michigan a true “shall issue” state for concealed carry licenses by cutting red tape – and costs – on a process that often takes longer than the 60 day limit allowed in current law.  Michigan is the only state left with county gun boards.

The bill would require county clerks to respond to any application within 45 days after fingerprints are taken. It would also lower the CPL application fee from $105 to $90…

Rob- Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid called on the Senate Monday to pass background checks on guns in the wake of a Sunday shooting in Las Vegas that killed two police officers.   Reid said the American people are depending on the Senate to pass background checks to keep guns out of the hands of people like those murderers.

Rob- I’d like to remind the senior silly senator from Nevada that the last half dozen mass murderers passed background checks.  That is why I don’t think this debate is really about background checks at all.  It is about gun control.  Senator Reid is saying we had a murder so we need gun control.  The murderer used a car, a knife and a gun.. so we need gun control.  The sun came up and went down .. so we need gun control.  Reid wants more money from his gun-control political contributors.. so we need gun control legislation.  This is a money bill.. again.

John – On Monday, President Obama participated in a forum on the blogging site Tumblr. During the event, Obama praised Australia for how they dealt with “gun violence”. In case you don’t know the Australian “solution”, it involved the forcible removal of ALL semi-automatic firearms from civilian hands. This included the .22 rifles such as Ruger 10/22s that farmers used to control pests in the Outback. Obama also seems to have no idea of how the  NICS check system works as he gives the impression by his comments that anyone can walk into their local gun store, buy a semi-auto rifle, and walk out – without a background check. He says he respects gun rights but his comments endorsing the forcible removal of semi-auto firearms gives lie to that.

Comments -?

Rob- There is a pro-concealed carry petition started by Tom Gresham.  If you don’t know Tom, he is the man behind Gun Talk Radio and Gun Talk TV.  The petition asks Target Stores to continue to allow concealed carry in their stores.  We will lose our privileges if gun owners sit silently.  Sign here to make your voice heard.

Rachel, take us to break

Rachel- The largest political convention in the world, the Republican Party of Texas State Convention, was held in Fort Worth last week. While the media spent the bulk of its reporting on the major immigration fight as well as the substantial and emotional debate on medical marijuana’s inclusion in the platform, gun rights lobbyists have a major victory to celebrate. The RPT Platform has already included strong recommendations for excellent gun legislation, including Constitutional Carry. Now they have included a resolution to make that the RPT’s one and only priority for the next legislative session.

(Audio from the convention.- speech to Platform Committee on Prioritization of Gun Legislation)

Being a delegate at the convention consisted of a few brief moments where I got to present a rousing speech, a lot of sitting through meetings holding committee members accountable by reporting their votes, and hours on end of standing in line writing speeches and then never getting to deliver them because someone used procedural maneuvering to cut things off. It takes a lot of patience and grit to make it through a convention, and it takes a huge amount of strategic planning to actually accomplish something through the process. I applaud the wonderful gun rights activists who stuck it out and helped us win this victory.

Rob- Miss USA Nia Sanchez told the truth and the feminists spokeswomen lost their minds.  The former Miss Nevada was asked what colleges should do to stop sexual assault on campus.  Nia Sanchez advocated taking personal responsibility for your own safety.  She said, “Myself as a fourth degree black belt, I learned from a young age that you need to be confident and be able to defend yourself and I think that’s something we should start to implement for a lot of women.”   I agree, but that doesn’t follow the trendy script that everyone is a victim.  Good for you, Nia.

In contrast, Elisa Benson of Cosmopolitan magazine had to comment: “I get that the college sexual assault problem can’t be solved in 30 secs but (its) still icky to pretend like self defense is the answer.”  Perhaps the senior editor at Cosmo thinks a new diet and hair style would help.

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Rachel- Icky?! You mean, you would rather pretend life is all a bowl of cherries and it makes you uncomfortable to think about anything else?

Gary- Speaking to reporters, Milwaukee Police Chief Edward Flynn was unabashedly angry. “Why can’t the people of this neighborhood enjoy a beautiful spring day without worrying about their children getting shot?” he asked.  Under current law, individuals convicted of illegally carrying a handgun in public can later obtain a state license to carry a concealed weapon. The city of Milwaukee is lobbying for a three-pronged approach: exclude offenders with three or more misdemeanor convictions within a five-year period from getting a concealed carry license; make illegal gun possession a felony; and set a mandatory three-year minimum sentence for felonious firearm possession. Currently, felons busted with guns face potentially harsh penalties but no mandatory minimum…

Comments- pro and con

Rob- About a week ago, Jack in the Box restaurants asked patrons to leave their guns outside.  It isn’t surprising that the fast food chain was robbed again..and again.. and again.  The latest was an early morning robbery in Houston.  It follows three other robberies, including a robbery in Tennessee where people were shot by the thugs.

Comment- So now I’ve gotta ask, how is that gun-free zone working for you?

Rob- Some people think a good guy with a gun is exactly what they need.  That is why some Toppenish [ TOP PEN ISH ] School District administrators in Washington State will carry concealed on campus this fall.  School employees may carry firearms on school property to provide an additional layer of security at the school. So far, 11 administrators, including School Superintendent John Cerna, have volunteered to take extra training and to respond to a school shooting with their own weapons.

“I don’t mind giving my life if I have a fighting chance,” Cerna said about his decision.

Comments?

Quote of the week
John- “We have now sunk to a depth at which the restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men” George Orwell.

Rachel- “I believe that any man who takes the liberty of another into his keeping is bound to become a tyrant, and that any man who yields up his liberty, in however slight the measure, is bound to become a slave.” H.L. Mencken “Why Liberty?”, in the Chicago Tribune (30 January 1927)

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Rob- Thank you to listener Layla who lives in Alabama and sent in this defensive gun use that took place in Huntsville.

Rob- Kevin Weil went to the skate park with his two sons Last Sunday afternoon.  The concrete skate board park was being used by a photographer to photograph lewd pictures of two barely dressed young women lying on the bottom of the concrete ramps.  Weil asked if that was appropriate for a kids playground.  The photographer argued and then went to his car.  He came back with a large handgun and yelled he would kill everyone there.  The women and children ran, but Weil walked toward the photographer asking him to drop his firearm.  When they reached the parking lot, Weil secured his own handgun and fired when the photographer pointed his gun at him again.  The photographer was taken to the hospital and later charged by police.

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John – A legally carried handgun doesn’t have to be fired to be effective. Sometimes its mere presence is all that is needed. Two men got into knock-down, drag-out fight in the parking lot of a Largo, Florida PetSmart. This was the scene that Robert Avery stumbled upon on Monday. The younger fighter had the older one under a bench and was kicking him. Avery was worried for the safety of the man on the ground and thought it might be a robbery. He drew his handgun and told them to break it up. He then called police and reported it. Avery told police he had reholstered his handgun the moment that the fight was over. In the end, neither fighter was charged as they had contradictory stories and police could not decide who started the fight.

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Rob- A 17-year-old girl was outside retrieving something from her car late at night when she was confronted by two armed and masked men.  They held a gun to her head and ordered her to return to her home in the Saint Louis suburb.  The girl’s father saw the masked suspects walking his daughter toward his door.  He retrieved his gun and shot both suspects.  The girl’s mother also  grabbed her gun and fired once but did not hit the suspects. No one in the home was injured.

31 year old Terrell Johnson died at the scene.  Johnson had served time in Missouri prison for first degree robbery. The second suspect ran to his getaway car and contacted his brother to take him to the hospital. The suspect, 33 year Cortez McClinton of Saint Louis, is in critical condition with gunshot wounds to his chest and both thighs.  McClinton faced prior first degree murder charges but the charges were dropped because witnesses would not cooperate with police.  Officers said this time he will face charges when he is released from the hospital.

Comments-

Rachel- Anti-gun spokesmen say that a good guy with a gun has never stops a bad guy with a gun.  We know they lie, and we have evidence as recent as this weekend to prove it.  Two murderers killed two Las Vegas police officers as the officers sat in a chain pizza restaurant.  The murderers then tried to enter a nearby Wal-Mart store.  Before they were able to enter, a citizen named Joseph Wilcox confronted them.  Wilcox was legally carrying his concealed handgun.  Wilcox was unaware that the second murderer was behind him, and Wilcox was shot from behind at close range.  Quoting police “This guy (Wilcox) was not some idiot with a gun. To me, he was a hero. He was trying to stop an active shooter.”

After that confrontation, the two murderers killed themselves.

Comments-  Share this “it never happens” event with your friends.

My sympathy to both the officers and Mr. Wilcox.

David Codrea reports a fund is being set up to help with Mr. Wilcox’s funeral expenses.

Rachel- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rob- From Chris Gillespie

http://buzzpo.com/people-magazine-shannon-watts-one-15-women/.  Can I throw up now? Thanks people magazine. This woman is crazy not someone who is changing the world.

Chris links to an article in People Magazine that says that spokeswoman Shannon Watts is one of 15 woman changing the world right now.

Thanks, Chris.

John- This is from Jason in Minnesota writing in about our Open Carry Texas comments.

I listen to a lot of pro gun podcasts and when this story came out I was reserved about it. I thought it didn’t make sense. Everyone in pro gun media was vilifying open carry texas but no one was trying to get more facts. One of the founders of open carry texas called into Guntalk and even though tom wasn’t listening to him I finally got the facts that made sense. When ever they were going to do an open carry event they would get permission from the management and the customers before entering the store. They would hand out flyers and have a positive event. Between what he said on gun talk and the things your very own host from Texas has said about the open carry groups I believe the pro gun media needs to give open carry texas an apology. Everyone says bad things about the NRA yet we stand behind them. Where did this story come from? Mom’s Demand pulled the picture off of open carry texas’s Facebook page and made up a story. And it worked. Everyone in the pro gun community is talking bad about our own. A part of our family. Would you do that to your son who made a mistake? No. You would point out his error and help him in the right direction with support. We don’t like low information voters and that’s exactly what we have become on this story. I suggest you have CJ from open carry texas on your show to tell his side of the story and to talk about all the positive things they have done. I’ve been waiting for Rachael to talk about this story as she has first hand knowledge about it and haven’t heard anything. Rant over. Thanks for the show and I look forward to hear your response.

Jason

Comments-

Rob- Jason, thank you for your comments, and thank you for being a member of Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance.  We are ambassadors for armed self-defense all the time.  We might not have intended it, but we are also ambassadors when we leave embarrassing pictures on our facebook photo archive and the media uses them to make us look stupid.

Jason, speaking personally, it would be easier to give OCT the benefit of the doubt if they were less defensive and I thought they were listening to suggestions.  All I’ve heard is argument and excuses when I make suggestions.  Someone called CJ told me that what they are doing is perfectly legal and he said he didn’t see me on the street protesting Texas gun laws.

I noticed he never said what they were doing was effective.  That tells me they know they made a mistake and are being defensive.

Rob- Open Carry Texas has already received a lot of constructive criticism.  For a start, please use what works.  Dress like a salesman when you sell your ideas.  Get your best looking and most articulate members to present your ideas from a booth everywhere people gather.  Carry empty holsters and hand out literature.  Try this first in legislative districts where the state representative favors open carry, and get the co-operative legislator to tell you how the calls and letters are doing!  That is called test marketing, and it is what sensible people do.  Test marketing would have told OCT that ARs hung on a chest rig were not effective in persuading the general public to pass open carry of handguns.

Rob- Wearing rifles in public without test marketing is called amusing yourself in public.  It is not a success if it generates bad publicity across the entire US.  Jason, the public relations professionals call that a clue.

Rob- Maybe governor Rick Perry is the problem with passing open carry legislation, so the calls and letters have to be directed at him.  The Texas NRA representative knows, but she isn’t saying in public.  Thank you, Jason, because we’d rather be criticized by our friends.

Rachel comments about OCT.
increased activism
increased number of delegates at the state political conventions
NRA did not support open carry?

Rob- I heard the NRA lobbyists discuss open carry a month ago.

Rachel- Also from our friends, this e-mail is from Bob in Minnesota.

Hi,
You are known as the polite society, however your microphone etiquette is anything but polite. The on air personalities seem to be eating, and smacking their lips, someone occasionally smokes because you can hear them inhaling the first drag then exhaling very loudly. One time it sounded like someone actually started their car, another one of the on air people even commented on that.

I am sure there are others that like me really enjoy your very informative podcasts and the on air personalities that also make them very enjoyable, but are very distracted and annoyed at the additional unnecessary noise. You can get a cough button that temporarily disables the mike if you need to cough, sneeze, eat, smoke, belch or fart, so your listeners don’t have to listen to it. All the TV and radio stations use them.
Please take this as constructive criticism, your shows are very good.
Thanks,
Bob in Eden Prairie, Minnesota

Comments?
Rob- Thank you, Bob.

John: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

John: That’s 605- 215- 1438

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I’ll put the link to my article Judging Open Carry Texas in our show notes.

Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog?

John: I posted about Shannon Watts claim she is unpaid for her advocacy.  I know she is already well to do, but I wonder how she is compensated even if she doesn’t collect a salary.  Perhaps she is paid by a consulting firm.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

John: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

John: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

Rachel- Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor John Lott’s sociological research about firearms.  I did, and now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 239 – Rant about the Santa Barbara Murders

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, May28th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have a rant about the murders in Santa Barbara
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and our weekly stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
Rachel: strap in
Rob: and hang on! Episode 239 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rachel: I’m wrapping up the school year, getting ready for my sister’s graduation in West Texas, and working like crazy getting ready for the Texas State Republican convention next week. It’s the largest political gathering in the world. I’ll be there all week, so stop by the Rules Committee meetings and say hello.
John: Pass
Rob: Dry practice
Gary: chat about first trip with granddaughters to Fort Snelliing National Cemetery – and finding lost relatives.

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Seg 2- News

Rachel- comments on the Texas elections
Turnout for primary elections is typically low. The same goes for run-off elections. How about a primary run-off? Around 5% of Texas’ registered voters made it out for several statewide races and another handful of local races. The gun groups’ top pick for Lt. Governor (the president of the Senate) didn’t make it to this run-off, and most gun rights people were disappointed with the two choices we were given. We ended up kicking out the current guy, Dewhurst. We’ll see how the new one does. We did have an unfortunate loss in a house race: TJ Fabby, whom I’ve dubbed the Constitutional Carry Candidate, lost his election in the primary run-off yesterday. Now we’re going to have to work harder than ever for strong gun legislation next session.

We did have some wins, though! This primary season, we’ve thrown out several incumbents and will be replacing them with more liberty-minded reps. That should help.

Rob: Here is my rant on the Santa Barbara murders.

This is an un-teachable moment.  A young man stabbed three people on Friday.  He hit several people with his car and shot three people next to the University of California Santa Barbara campus.  This should teach us what makes us safe and what doesn’t.  This event should teach us.  The sad news is we don’t want to learn.

In his published statements, a pampered murdering son blames everyone for his failures. everyone except himself.  He drives an expensive car and lives a luxurious life he didn’t earn.  He writes about hating his parents and wanting to stab his step mother and half brother.  The murder’s father said he hates guns and wants better mental health treatment.. for his son who has been in therapy since he was eight years old.  A father of one of the victims blames the NRA and politicians who allowed guns into the world.. while his son was killed in a gun-free zone.

Do you notice a pattern here?  The father blames mental illness.  The victims father blames guns and the NRA.  The son blamed others for his problems.  Unfortunately, we are also part of that same pattern.  We refuse to learn from past mistakes and we blame others instead of providing real solutions.  Let’s stop placing blame.

Instead, let me describe the next public murder for you.

  • The murderer has a narcissistic personality and demands attention.  He wants his name in the news and will kill to get it there.
  • The attack is launched against people in a gun free zone because narcissists don’t like competition.
  • The murderer has mental health issues and is probably be on psychotropic drugs prescribed by a doctor.
  • The murderer is enthralled by violent video games and spends a lot of his time playing them.
  • There are warning signs, and they are ignored.

Making predictions about the media’s reaction to the next public murder is too easy.  Liberal media will blame the NRA and lax gun laws even though the murders took place in gun-control paradise.

This crime took place in an anti-gun state, in an anti-gun county, in an anti-gun school zone.  This crime should have been impossible if gun control actually worked.  Evidence screams that gun control doesn’t work, but we won’t learn from our mistakes.  Instead, liberal politicians will double down on gun-control and claim it is for the children.  The media will support them.

Here comes the new tragedy, same as the old tragedy.. until we learn.  <Rant off>

Rachel-  Documents indicate he planning the murders over the last 5 months.

Gary: Joe the plumber comment – will comment on this.

John – From Tam at View from the Porch is probably the best comment on how the media reacts: “So there’s a “mass* shooting” that would have been a page three wet firecracker in Compton, but do it to some cracker kids from the ‘burbs serving their four years at the Special Snowflake Warehouse & Indoc Center and the nation just loses its collective $#!+.

Apparently busting caps in three people’s asses isa lot bigger deal if you do it out the window of an ’08 Bimmer instead of a ’94 Caprice.”

Rachel- By Saturday morning the Moms Demand more money group on Facebook had many posts  blaming the NRA.  They are blaming the NRA for the murders committed by a confirmed anti-gun hollywood sociopath.  Any excuse will do.

Comments.  Rob: They blame the biggest firearms safety organization in the country.  Now that is stupid.

John- The 22 year old murderer purchased his firearms legally in California and passed three background checks as an adult.   He was not a prohibited person even though he received numerous requests by his family for police to visit the student and perform a wellness check.  This after he had been in therapy since he was 8 years old and was now seeing multiple therapists.  One of the therapists works for the Los Angeles County Department of Family and Child Services. California law applies, so I hope the therapists are very well insured.

Gary- This murder is similar to others.  The murderers at the elementary school at Sandy Hook, Connecticut, at the movie theater in Aurora, Colorado, at the Washington Navy Yard, and at Fort Hood were equally crazy.. and all of them passed background checks because they were not prohibited persons.  We simply have no way to anticipate violence.

Rachel- That doesn’t stop the politicians.  Democrat Senator Richard Blumenthal from Connecticut and Representative Peter King from Long Island, New York called for stricter firearms legislation after the California murders.   Quote, “Obviously, not every kind of gun violence is going to be prevented by laws out of Washington, but at least we can make a start.”

Really, Senator?  Really, Congressman?  After passing some 23 thousand laws restricting firearms, I kind of hoped you’d be done by now and we could finally see the beneficial results you promised from gun control.  As far as I and the researchers can tell, the beneficial effects of gun control are always one more law away.. and always will be.  They didn’t slow this murderer down, and the next law won’t either.

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Gary- Background checks don’t stop murderers and they don’t bother criminals.  Thieves targeted Florida gun owners in their search to illegally acquire guns.  Four cars were broken into during broad daylight in a high traffic parking area for a central Florida gun show.  Thieves made off with guns, ammo, cameras, and other items while causing thousands of dollars in damage to the vehicles.  I guess the thieves aren’t going the legal route and submitted to those background checks the anti-gunners are so proud of.

Comment- Rob, that doesn’t stop the anti-gunners from claiming gun registration and background checks are wonderful.

John- The media loves a good massacre, and loves to ignore one.  In Chicago late last month, 39 people were shot in one weekend.  That is predominantly black-on-black crime and ignored by our national media.  Instead the media focuses on the sizzle of a sociopathic pampered playboy driving a BMW in California.

Rachel- Here is more news from Chicago.  Mayor Rahm Emanuel is proposing a far-reaching ordinance that would keep gun stores out of 99.5 percent of Chicago.  It also requires stores to videotape every sale.  They also would have to get the police to approve a security plan before they could open their doors.  What stupid federal judge allowed Chicago politicians to make those rules?

Gary: do we have his name.

Rob- There may be a limit to the stupidity of New Jersey politicians, but not much.  It appears the magazine capacity bill that limited magazine capacity to 10 rounds now exempts tube fed 22 rifles.  I don’t know how they made that change after the bill went through committee, but breaking the law would never bother a Jersey politician.

John- This news is right out of the Acorn Scandal.  Anti-gun lawmakers in Rhode Island wrote a 10 percent sales tax on guns and ammunition.  That is an additional ten percent on top of the existing federal, state and local taxes.  These tax proceeds are supposed to go to law enforcement, except law enforcement is allowed to give the money to non-profit anti-gun groups.  These are the same anti-gun groups who donate to anti-gun politicians.

The anti-gun politicians just wrote themselves a campaign donation with taxpayers money.  Rahm Emanuel and the Chicago machine would be proud.. or envious.

Comment- If you wanted to promote gun safety you’d give the money to the NRA.

Rachel- There is some good news down south.  Louisiana governor Bobby Jindal signed two firearms bills into law.  The first allows concealed carry holders to enter a restaurant where liquor is sold, though they can not drink alcohol.  The law also allows current and retired law enforcement officers, judges and district attorneys to carry concealed in bars.  There are laws for them and separate laws for us.

The second law expands the castle doctrine.  Louisiana already protected the homeowner from being sued if they killed a criminal breaking into their home or car.  The new law prevents suit if the criminal is only injured.

Rob- Here is a bit of good sense from Georgia.  Appling, Georgia to be exact.  Citizens interested in learning how to safely carry, handle and shoot their handguns were invited to the Columbia County Sheriff’s Office Citizen’s Firearms Academy. The free class was held on Saturday at the sheriff’s Training Center.

The class informed citizens about firearms laws in Georgia, and developed marksmanship and safety skills. Georgia has new open carry laws and there was a live-fire portion of the class as well.  Georgia listeners can follow the link in our show notes to look into the next class.

John- Texas is far from perfect.  Amelia Pickens called police about a car she suspected had hit her daughter’s car.  Arlington police officer Phil Hill arrived and two of the car’s occupants were ultimately arrested, one for an outstanding warrant and one for possession of a controlled substance.

When Amelia handed over her license and proof of insurance, she explained she had a CHL as required by Texas law.  That was when Officer Hill seized her purse and confiscated her firearm.

Pickens said, “I’m disabled. My husband goes out of town quite frequently. I have to be able to defend myself.  There should have been no reason why at all that he took my gun. I didn’t do anything bad with my gun.  I didn’t brandish it. I didn’t even say I had a gun.  The only time my gun was mentioned was when the officer asked me for my drivers license and insurance. I have to show my CHL at that particular point.”

It sounds like Arlington Police need a law suit, a monetary judgement, and some serious retraining.

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Rob- Criminals obey gun laws like politicians follow their oaths of office.. source unknown.
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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob- A 22 year old man in Orosi, California heard someone trying to enter his home at 5:30 in the morning.  His parents are farmworkers and had already left for the day, while he supervised his three younger siblings.  The 22 year old grabbed the family gun and traded shots when the thieves broke through the door.  He was shot multiple times, but Police found two suspects outside the home also suffering from gunshot wounds.  One died, and the other underwent surgery.

The young man who defended his family is expected to fully recover.  Police say there are still suspects at large and are seeking the driver of a gray Astro Van and they have the license number.

Comment- Rachel- As I tell my students, crime doesn’t make an appointment.  Carry or hope you guess right.

Rachel- Retired Police Officer Derek Bishop sat in a Mercedes in East New York at about 3:15 Tuesday morning.  Bishop works security at a nearby recycling plant when Manuel Ocampo and his 18-year-old cousin approached the car, pointed a gun at Officer Bishop.  The thieves demanded his money and keys.  Bishop gave the pair some money, but they demanded more.  The cousin, Rashawn Thompson, moved to the passenger side door and Manuel Ocampo stayed on the driver’s side.  That is when Officer Bishop got out of the car, drew his weapon and opened fire, hitting Ocampo in the chest and head.  He died at the hospital.

“It’s not a good feeling to shoot anybody,” Bishop said Tuesday afternoon, tears streaming down his face. “It was just something that happened. I didn’t want to die. I wanted to be able to see my kids and my wife.”

Comment-  Rob, I have sympathy for the officer, but I also have sympathy for the rest of the legally disarmed civilians in NYC who deserve the right of self- defense so they too can go home and see their loved ones.

John -Two robbers entered the Wholesale Mattress Warehouse in Charlotte, North Carolina on Sunday afternoon.  The thief put a gun in the store owners face and demanded his cellphone and cash.  He threatened to kill him if he did not comply.  The store owner reached into the till and pulled out a gun of his own.  He shot one of the robbers and the robber fired back but didn’t hit the store owner.  The injured suspect was transported to Carolinas Medical Center with a bullet wound in his stomach.  The shooter is cooperating with investigators, police said.

Comment- Rob- Action beats reaction, but only if you practice.

Rob- This is a good week for defensive gun use with no shots fired.  For starters, 22 year old Jessica McDonald works at Discount Textbooks in Fort Dodge, Iowa. She had just opened the store at 9 in the morning when a man came in, put a bandana over his face and demanded money.  Jessica showed him the still empty till.  The robber came around behind the counter and repeated his demands.  That is when Jessica grabbed the gun kept behind the counter and pointed it at the thief.  She told him to leave the store as she backed away with the gun pointed at the man.

She said “I feel comfortable now using it, but I always said I never thought I would.  It was shocking to me when I started here that there is a gun and I always thought it was over the top and we didn’t need it, but I’m very glad that we have it.“

Store Manager Paul Tigges said the firearm was put there for employees’ safety.

The thief fled and the police do not have suspects in custody.

Comment- This is why you should carry.

Rachel- Two men repeatedly called a young woman in Salt Lake City, Utah.  After she stopped answering the phone, the two men, armed with guns, kicked in the door to her home.  The girl’s father grabbed his handgun and confronted the intruders who were young men he recognized.  The intruders fled.

The two men were quickly arrested on suspicion of aggravated burglary and aggravated assault. They were booked into the Salt Lake County Jail.

Comment- These young men are lucky to be alive.

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.  We’ll be right back after this advertisement and our tips and tricks segment on the four safety rules.

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Rachel: From Robert in New York
You did not list the New York state rifle and pistol association as a member of the NYSRPA . We need all the help we can get. With the states governor thinking he feels that he knows better than real people. You have to remember that he has never done an honest Day’s work he went from school right politics . And he has done a lousy job with anything he has done.

John: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Gary: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

– You want craven, I’ll give you craven! Blood dancing by the anti’s to raise money and push gun control.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Gary: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

Rob: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

John: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Rachel: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show, stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 234 – Jeff Hulsey

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, May 3rd, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
John: I’m John Richardson, and tonight we will talk with Jeff Hulsey. Jeff is the retired gunsmith that we wrote about on our website a little more than a week ago.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our regular news segment and stories of defensive gun use.
Paul: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 234 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Break
Rob- Took some friends through dry practice and room clearing. Yes, we taught slicing the pie and the fatal funnel of doorways. After that exercise with finger guns, they understood why you call the cops to investigate a bump in the night.. and why the police send in dogs. Shot a steel match this morning. Traded guns with a friend who was having problems hitting the target. I’m sad to say the problem wasn’t the gun.

Seg 2- News
John – Mark Glaze, executive director of Everytown for Gun Safety, announced he plans to resign in June to do “other things”. Glaze had previously been the director of Mayor Bloomberg’s Mayors Against Illegal Guns since 2011. He helped to orchestrate the merger of MAIG with Moms Demand late last year. Glaze said it was time for him to hand the fight off to someone else.

While there is no word on a successor, speculation centers around John Feinblatt who previously was the chief advisor on gun control issues while Bloomberg was still in office. Of course, they could always go with Shannon Watts which would make many in the gun-rights community happy given her proclivity for both lying and making errors.

Rob- Paul has a speech, a lecture, a tirade, a tear.  He is about to espouse, advocate, lecture and pontificate.  Here is his rant.

Paul – Although not gun related Chris, one of our regular contributors of feedback sent us a link that he thought we would be interested in. For those of you who have been long time listeners of the show you know that we spent a lot of time covering the Benghazi attack we have had Anthony Mele on several times to talk about it. and even though we haven’t covered it on the air recently I have been keeping tabs on it. This week emails surfaced that thanks to Judicial Watch were forced by the Obama administration to be made public through a FOIA request. The Administration originally denied the request and Judicial Watch sued and won. The released emails show that the Obama administration was directly behind the changing of the story of the attack being about  a demonstration about a YouTube video instead of being what it actually was, a coordinated attack on our consulate. I listened this week to the Fox News feed on Satellite Radio riveted, as Retired Brig. General Lowell testified in the House of Representatives on Thursday.  General Lowell clearly stated that there was no attempt to assist the victims of the attack because the State department would not request help. One phrase sticks out in my head “we are trained to move towards the sound of the guns” Our military was refused that action. There was a 7 hour attack. Then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton released a statement at 10 pm Eastern that September 11th, while the attack was still going on. I am not and never have been in the military, but having the limited knowledge of military that I do, there is no doubt in my mind whatsoever that in 7 hours WE COULD HAVE DONE SOMETHING!

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Rob- Professor John Lott started an Indiegogo campaign to raise $300,000 to start the Crime Prevention Research Center. The CPRC’s goal is to counter the bogus anti-gun research that is being funded by major donors such as George Soros’ Open Society Foundation and the Robert Woods Johnson Foundation not to mention money from Michael Bloomberg. The funding for anti-gun research is aimed at going around Congressional prohibitions on using the Center for Disease Control to promote gun control as a public health issue. The Indiegogo funding will let Professor Lott hire additional research associates, gather data, and continue research on topics central to gun debate. $500,000 would fund Professor Lott’s the Center for a full year.

This research will help counter the lies pushed in the mainstream media by our opponents who would willing curtail both our gun rights and our civil rights.

Rob- I’m in.  Let’s give a shout out to every listener who contributes?

Rob- Louisiana State Senator Neil Riser sponsored legislation allowing active and retired law enforcement officers in good standing to carry a concealed firearm into any place open to the public, though they can’t drink or be on medication when they do so.  That is essentially constitutional carry.  The bill passed the house committee on a voice vote and and is expected to pass.

Yawn, another perquisite of having a badge, but here is why this is interesting.  Civilian concealed carry holders are less likely to commit a crime, even a firearms violation, than are law enforcement officers.  So if we’re trying to minimize risk, then civilian license holders should be admitted first.  Did the Louisiana legislators think of that?

John- You don’t believe Rob?  Two drunken NYPD cops fired their guns in separate, off-duty incidents and both cops were arrested this week. Officer Brendan Cronin, was behind the wheel late Tuesday night when he unloaded on a 47-year-old man who was a passenger in a car that was idling in front of him, striking the passenger 6 times.  About three hours later, outside a strip club in Somerset County, New Jersey, NYPD Sergeant. Wanda Anthony fired at least one round at a former boyfriend and his new girlfriend.  In this case, no one was hit. Anthony fled in her car and was then pulled over and charged with driving while intoxicated.

Earlier that week, off duty detective Jay Poggi shot his partner through the wrist after each had downed at least 11 drinks in the Rockaways, Queens, New York City.

John- Florida Carry has sued Broward County in state court for violating the state of Florida’s firearms and ammunition preemption statutes. The county has refused to change its ordinances which attempt to regulate the possession of firearms and other weapons in certain areas. Included in the Broward County ordinances are prohibitions against the possession of firearms, switchblades, knives, clubs, etc. by common carrier truck drivers.

Florida Carry is joined in a second suitfiled Friday against the City of Tallahassee by the Second Amendment Foundation. The city’s ordinances prohibit the discharge of a firearm for ANY reason in the city’s parks and recreation areas as well as any place other than areas zoned agricultural that are larger than 5 acres.

Rob- Some local politicians are smarter than those in Broward County and Tallahassee.  This week in Idaho, Madison County Commissioners repealed a ban on guns in public buildings as required by state law.  The Sheriff’s Office, Madison Memorial Hospital and other public buildings had been labeled as gun free zones.  The  signs are coming down.  According to Madison County Sheriff Roy Klingler, those who plan on committing a crime aren’t gonna be stopped by a sign or some lettering on a door.  In fact, putting guns in good hands can actually reduce the likelihood of mass shootings and other incidents.

Well said, Sheriff Klinger.

Rob- because Rachel is working today, I’ll carry this Texas news-  About 18 people showed up for a public rally of the newly formed Gregg County chapter of Open Carry Texas.  The group handed out literature on Texas gun laws.  Texas has 254 counties, so there are lots of chapters.  This is the fourth activity of the newly formed group in Gregg County.

Rob- John, what about your post “Guns In Schools Save Lives”  http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2014/05/purdue-university-homeland-security.html

Rob- Paul, here are some more statistics for you.  Sociologist Andrew Papachristos reported an important fact about Chicago criminals.  He looked at arrest records and mapped the individual networks between criminal gangs.  70 percent of all non-fatal shootings occur in networks comprising less than 6 percent of Chicago’s total population.  That means these few gang members are 12 times more likely than average to assault with a firearm.  It turns out they mostly shoot the ones they rob with and are arrested with.  That is why gun laws that disarm the general population of Chicago are ineffective, and counter productive.  I guess Everytown for Bloomberg money forgot to mention that little fact.  I’m glad we’re here to remind them and you.

Paul- Gun Quotes
“The police of a state should never be stronger or better armed than the citizenry. An armed citizenry, willing to fight, is the foundation of civil freedom.” Author Rober A Heinlein in his book “Beyond This Horizon” published in 1942.

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John- When Keith Groves of Point Loma, CA heard a crash and then a window breaking at 4:22 AM on Tuesday, he jumped out of bed and looked out to see a kitchen window broken and his garage door open. He then retrieved his revolver and confronted a man standing beside his mint ‘32 Ford Roadster. It was then that Groves realized that he was standing stark naked as he held his revolver on the intruder. And that was the sight that the SDPD saw when they arrived. It was only then that the retired San Diego Fire-Rescue Department battalion chief was able to get dressed. Any comments?

Rob- One of my instructors said the police get pretty good at telling the good guys from the bad guys.  Standing there undressed is called a clue you were asleep in bed when the break in occurred.

Rob- Do you remember the Federal Express sorting facility where all the employees were disarmed, including the security guard who was seriously wounded?  Well that situation was avoidable.  Here is a similar case in Texas where a construction worker had been fired from a work site in the West Campus are of Austin.  The worker came back and threatened the foreman, and a police report was filed at that time.  Then the fired worker came back with a gun and shot at the foreman.  This time the foreman drew his own handgun and shot the assailant.  The foreman had Concealed Handgun License and was allowed to have his gun on the worksite.  Both men were taken to University Medical Center Brackenridge. The foreman suffered a serious injury, while the suspect suffered a potentially life-threatening injury.  Firearms author and trainer Stephen P. Wenger notes that the fatality rate of gunshot wounds in the US about 15%, so being shot does not mean you’re out of the fight.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

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Rob: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

John: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

John: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 208 – with Ken Kowalski and Brian Bolivar

Brian: Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society. This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense, eh.

Paul: Welcome to The Polite Society Podcast recorded on Sunday, February second, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we’ll bring you our usual news and DGUs, but we have guests in the house. They know their way around. Did you guys find what you need? Drinks are in the fridge.
Brian Bolivar: I’m Brian Bolivar from Modern Rifleman Radio.
Ken Kowalski: I’m Ken Kowalski from Modern Rifleman Radio, and we have a lot of good new on the firearms front.
Paul: So climb aboard
Rob: Stap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 208 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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-Here is some good news.  Castle Rock Colorado read its new rule allowing open carry of a firearm in city facilities including parks and recreation centers.  The rule was read a second time and approved by the city council on a 4 to 3 vote after several hours of debate.  Castle Rock joins a growing number of Colorado towns and local governments who allow open carry.  Jeff Meek listens to the podcast and was at the meeting.  Jeff posted his comments on our facebook page and his blog.

-Tennessee Senator Stacey Campfield proposed a bill to stop local government’s from creating more disarmed victim zones in “gun free” public parks.  The measure passed the Senate Judiciary Committee 6-2.  Under Campfield’s proposal, permit holders would be allowed to carry, unless there’s a school function in the park. Republican Governor Bill Haslam has said he’s opposed to the legislation.  Sounds like our listeners from Tennessee have some phone calls to make.

-We have similar news from Kansas.  The Saline County Commission approved a significant change in employment policies.  The commission allowed county employees to carry a concealed weapon at work. Employees must have a concealed-carry permit, as required by law, and keep their firearm on their person at all times. That means employees are prohibited from storing or leaving a firearm in off-body carry bags.  Employees must also submit a copy of their concealed carry permit to the Saline County Human Resources Division.  Give Saline County, Kansas a hand.

A bill introduced in the Nebraska legislature would allow trained teachers and staff to carry a gun in school.  The bill’s sponsor, State Senator Mark Christensen of Imperial said, “If we really care about the kids, don’t we want to have the maximum security for them?” Schools in the state’s rural areas can be 15 miles or more from the closest police department or sheriff’s office. “Do we want to wait 30-40 minutes for a response and leave our kids at risk?” he said.

This sounds similar to bills we reported on in Arizona and Colorado.  Nebraska listeners, call your legislators.

-US Senator. Rand Paul proposed a bill to again allow guns in post offices.  The initial reaction from Democrat Committee Chairman Thomas Carper from Delaware was critical.  We don’t know how the votes stack up in the committee.  Senator Paul plans to revise sections of the bill covering Postal Service facilities housed within other federal buildings. Generally speaking, the measure would allow individuals to carry guns in post offices when otherwise carrying the weapon would be in compliance with state and local regulations.

The US Post Office sometimes claims to almost be a private corporation and sometimes more like a government entity as the subject suits them.

-It’s that time of year.. the season when year-end statistics come out about the growth of concealed carry.  The number of concealed carry licenses in Michigan rose statewide by 35%.  An overwhelming majority are in West Michigan.  Kent, Ottawa, Muskegon, and Newaygo Counties saw anywhere from 30% to 65% jumps in pistol sales, registrations and concealed pistol license applications in just one year.  The statewide number of women with concealed carry permits in Michigan increased by 57% to 33,096.  Way to go Michigan!

-Also in Michigan, here is a big city police chief who defends self-defense.  We covered the story a month ago when Detroit Police Chief James Craig publicly supported concealed carry.  Last Thursday, Detroit resident Sandra Hines challenged Chief Craig’s position during a Detroit Board of Police Commissioners meeting.  Hines claimed that arming citizens could lead to vigilantism.

Here is part of Chief Craig’s responce: “I did, in fact, say that good Americans, good Detroiters, if responsible, could get Concealed Pistol Licenses .. I said that because of my experience in four cities, having seen good Americans and good Detroiters that have CCWs and what effect it has had on deterring violent crime..”

“Most telling, there was research done by felons who were incarcerated, and what they said is that they’re more fearful of armed citizens than they are of police officers..”

“I do not condone vigilantism. I don’t support individuals arming themselves and doing the work of police officers. Police officers are trained to enforce the law..  I do see that a concealed weapon is an opportunity for self-protection only; not to go out and enforce the law.”

After Thursday’s Board meeting, Police Commissioner Lisa Carter and her husband, Tyrone Carter – both former police officers – said they agreed with Chief Craig.  “There are a lot of seniors in Detroit who are victims.  It’s not vigilantism for people to protect themselves.  That’s all we’re talking about: The right for people to be able to protect themselves.”

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From the Good Cop files, Brevard County Florida Sheriff Wayne Ivey now offers a Self Defense Through Tactical Shooting and Decision Making class due to his county’s surge in gun owners.  “We’ve seen a huge increase in the applications for concealed weapons permits,” said Cpl. Thomas Gunter.  “If you are going to have a gun, we want you to know how to properly use it,” Sheriff Ivey said.  Hallelujah, this police officer gets it.

-Moving up the coast, here is more good news from Green County Virginia.  Sheriff Steve Smith offers training to thousands of citizens in his 60 firearms classes offered each year.  That helps explain why the number of permit applications increased to 660, double the number in 2012.  “We go over laws, the permit process, handling techniques, even proper selection, legal transport, what states they can legally enter once they have that permit,” said deputy Steve Keene.

I love it when a department gets it right.

-Some states say they can’t support a citizens right to self-defense because the paperwork is insurmountable.  For example, the number of Oklahoma handgun license applications increased from 40 thousand to 60 thousand last year.  In response, the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation announced an online application for handgun licensing and license renewals. Thank you for Oklahoma for stepping up and joining the modern online world.  I wish other states would follow your example.

-Representatives in the Iowa House granted preliminary approval to lower the minimum age that minors can use handguns under supervision.

This brings two things to mind.  First, a Department of Justice study back in the Clinton era showed that youngsters who were formally trained with firearms have a lower delinquency rate than other youngsters.  The second thing is that this training should be the prerogative of parents rather than legislators.  I know when, or if, my children are mature enough to train with firearms.

Rob: A friend sent in this second article about Iowa.  The group Iowa Gun Owners is raffling off an AR to raise funds and grow membership.  An anti-gun group got several Democrat Iowa lawmakers to condemn the raffle.  Iowa Gun Owners went on the offensive.  They posted the anti-gun article on social media and news outlets pointing out the anti-civil rights statements by Iowa politicians.  Instead of being shunned, membership and contributions to Iowa Gun Owners soared.

Way to go Iowa Gun Owners. And Mayor Bloomberg, I’ve got a feeling we’re not in California or Maryland any more.
I’d like this article even more if a listener from Iowa asked to have Iowa Gun Owners added to the list of state civil rights organizations.
Is that a hint?
I’d call it a plea.

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Rob- The Detroit Police Chief reminded me of this quotation from my friend John Longenecker, “Nothing puts the dignity in personal dignity (or the freedom in personal freedom) like the self in self-rule.”

Paul: That means we’re depending on our listeners to be great ambassadors for responsible self-defense. We’re going to go to break and then interview Ken and Brian from Modern Rifleman Radio. Hang on everybody. We’ll be right back.

Kathy Jackson quick tips.

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DGU- Keith Dennis was walking to his home in Columbus Ohio late Wednesday night when two men came up behind him and demanded money.  They kept a knife to his back as they followed him home.  When they arrived, Dennis’s friend heard the two robbers, pulled his gun and chased the robbers from the home.  Police arrested the robbers a few hours later.

We could call this “knife beat unarmed man” and “gun beats knife.” Sounds like a loaded 45 beats Rock, Paper AND Scissors.

DGU- A 44-year-old Chicago man on crutches fatally shot an intruder who rushed him in his apartment.  The homeowner was awakened by his frightened daughter who heard noises coming from the back apartment.  The homeowner then got his gun when two intruders rushed him.  He fired once, killing a 31 year old intruder.  The second intruder fled.  Police found that the back door had been pried open with a shovel.

DGU- A Pensacola man answered the knock at his door at 2:30 in the afternoon.  That is when John Paul Phillips attempted to force his way inside.  The homeowner blocked the door with his body, and Phillips shot through the door.  The armed homeowner returned fire.  When they arrived, police found Phillips firearm laying on the sidewalk.  Phillips was taken to Sacred Heart Hospital for treatment of a shoulder wound and arrested on multiple charges including aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, shooting into a dwelling and using a firearm to commit a felony.

DGU-  A man wearing a dark-colored hooded sweatshirt, a mask, and white gloves presented a weapon and demanded cash at the small Delli Mart in northwest Roanoke, Virginia.  The store owner gave the man money, then the suspect demanded a box of cigarettes and grabbed a box of condoms.  The store owner grabbed his revolver and fired five times.  The thief was found by police in a nearby alley and taken to Carilion Roanoke Memorial Hospital.  He is charged with robbery and use of a firearm in the commission of a felony.  I noticed that the newspaper account already had a picture of the thief so I suspect he’s been photographed before.

Paul: The Politics and Guns Podcast download application is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  The link is in our show notes.  Yes, they will get you the Polite Society Podcast.

From a listener that didn’t leave a name,  for the state level 2nd Amendment rights organization list, here in the state of West Virginia we are proud to have the West Virginia Citizens Defense League (WVCDL)
Webpage  http://wvcdl.org
Facebook  http://www.facebook.com/groups/WVCDL

Rob: We had a listener e-mail us.  He enjoys the show, and likes how the show is changing with time.  Hey, Paul?  He says that Sticks and I are a good addition and expects the show will continue to grow and change with time.
Paul:  Good job.  I’ll double your pay.
Rob: Thanks for your comments, Jeff Armstrong.

Paul: You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
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Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.  Tommy Nelson, Glen Tate and Sticks will be there.

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in Centerton AR, March 1st and 2nd..

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob: I do.  I wrote a satire about a tweetfest between an anti-gun politician and an anti-gun activist.  It is called the Sneaky Talking Points About Gun Control.  They will rob us of our words before they try to steal our guns.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

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Paul: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammo if you run out.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Paul, That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Paul, be aware,
Rob, and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 195 – Ken Kowalski and a Drunk Voicemail

Paul: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded Wednesday the 1st of January 2014. Happy new year and I’m Paul Lathrop
Tom: I’m Sticks and on tonights show we have another large news segment
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also have several DGU stories, so climb aboard
Ken: Strap in
Toby: And hang on,
Paul: episode 195 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Tom- An article from the Los Angeles Times, of all sources, describes a group of disabled gun owners protesting against arbitrary gun restrictions.  In states like California, Connecticut, New York or Illinois, the gun-haters banned small, light weapons that have ergonomic features.  These firearms typically trade reduced recoil for increased ammunition capacity.  That makes them fun to shoot, but it also makes them accessible, and in some cases essential for individuals with decreased strength and mobility.  Yes, magazine restrictions are a bigoted attack against the physically disabled.  Disabled Americans for Firearms Rights testified at hearings in Connecticut and has a facebook page.

Kathy Jackson calls these lightweight rifles “girl guns” or “kid guns”.  We could add “grandpa and grandma guns” to that list.

Ken- Speaking of New York, a Federal judge upheld the New York SAFE act, but threw out the 7 round restriction.  The judge ruled that bans on modern sporting rifles and magazines are constitutional because the state says the bans make us safer.  Judge, I have a bridge out on Staten Island that I can sell you if you believe that.  The judge ruled that the 7 round restriction was arbitrary and unconstitutional.

Rob- In New York City, sales of AR-15s have stopped, and New York City firearms laws that preempt state law have created over a thousand felons out of honest New York Gun owners.  I’m sorry, but we told you that elections have consequences.

 Paul-  A disarmed man is in stable condition, but one robber is dead.  This happened a few weeks ago in gun-free San Francisco, so of course the victim was unarmed.  Several 16 year olds stop the victim near the Alemany public housing complex and first demand his cell phone.  Then they demand he empty his pockets.  The victim complies, but one of the robbers pulled a gun and shoots the victim anyway.  The bullet glances off the victim’s skull and hits another robber.  Police arrive to find the wounded victim.  They also find Clifton Chatman, one of the muggers, dead on the ground.  We have two unlikely events.  One is that underage criminals got a firearm in gun-free San Francisco.  I thought that was impossible.  The second is that the victim is very lucky to have a bullet glance off his skull.

Tom- Minnesota gun owners political action committee endorsed State Senator Julianne Ortman for United States Senate.  Senator Ortman voted against gun control, and “demonstrated a strong commitment to policies that protect the rights of Minnesotans to hunt, enjoy the shooting sports, and protect their families from violent criminals.”  It sounds like she deserves our support.

 Ken- Minnesota is a middle-of-the-road state when it comes to gun-rights so Minnesota citizens have the option of going armed.  We all know that personal experience can change our opinion.  Democrat politician Mark Andrew had such an experience when he was sitting at a Starbucks in the Mall of America and had his cell phone was taken from his table.  Mister Andrew chased the thieves, and two of them gave him a severe beating with a nightstick as people in the mall looked on.

I noticed three things in this news article.   One- The thieves had cased the “gun-free” Starbucks repeatedly, so Starbucks isn’t a safe place to enjoy your coffee; .  Two- We’ve trained a generation of citizens to be good witnesses as they pull out their cell phones, but not get involved.  And three- a couple of young women with a baton can really hurt a 63 year old man.  I’m looking at the picture and it Mr Andrew was left a mess.  Don’t be that guy.

 Rob- That isn’t what happened in Dayton, Ohio.  A young man asked the owner of a laundromat for change, but then the young man then demanded the 90 year old man’s money.  The laundromat owner grabbed his concealed handgun and the thief fled.  No shots were fired.  Note that a nearby drive through restaurant owner shot a thief only a few months ago.  We’ve proved again that some thieves.. and some politicians.. are slow to learn.

 Paul- A Virginia restaurant owner gathered a list of businesses where firearms are welcome.  One restaurant offers a 15 percent discount to gun owners.  Another has Open-Carry Wednesday.  The website is 2amendment.org  A similar application for smart phones is at http://www.gunfreezoneapp.com  It’s nice that someone loves us.

Tom- Firearms are now welcome in Oregon parks after a judge on the Oregon state court of appeals ruled that a camper was correct and the US Forest Service ranger was wrong.  The camper said his rented campsite was his home, and therefore he could carry in the campsite.  The ranger cited him anyway.  The judge said “If state legislators had intended “a place of residence” to apply only to houses, apartments and other structures, they would have said so.”  Can our Oregon listeners tell us if carrying with a concealed carry permit was always allowed in state and federal parks in Oregon?

Ken- Illinois firearms instructors are now training civilians for concealed carry.  Democrat governor Pat Quinn stacked the deck against honest citizens when he hand picked former federal prosecutors, FBI agents and judges to a seven-member appeals panel.  The panel hears appeals if a citizen’s application for CCW is rejected by local law enforcement.  In theory, the panel responds to an appeal in 30 days.  It looks like the board is there to help the cops, not the applicants.  That is pretty much what I expected from the Chicago machine.

The Illinois State Police worked through the long backlog of Firearms Owner Identification Cards, so the applications now being processed were received during the last 30 days.  We’d love to hear from our Illinois listeners about their experience applying for CCW permits.

 Rob- Ohio should know better, but now an Ohio sheriff permanently bars citizens from concealed carry if they were so much as charged with a felony or violent offense.  All the other Ohio sheriffs require a conviction.  Athens County Sheriff Pat Kelly only requires that charges be brought in order to disqualify an applicant.  I see an obvious problem.  Most police officers are charged with violent offenses by the criminals they apprehend.  LEOs also have an unusually high rate of domestic violence charges. This would demand that Sheriff Kelly and his deputies be disarmed if we apply the Sheriff’s criteria evenly.  Sheriff Kelly’s is up for election in 2016.  Our listeners in Ohio are members of Buckeye firearms, aren’t you?

Paul- In great news across the US, 2013 saw the fewest number of law enforcement officers killed by gunfire in the line of duty.  The 111 officers  killed is the lowest since 1959.  The tragic toll peaked in the 1970s with the cocaine epidemic and the beginning of the war on drugs. There are several causes for this recent decrease in police fatalities.  Police wear body armor, they are better trained, they have more information before approaching a suspect.

Traffic accidents take a larger toll on law enforcement officers than do firearms, and traffic accidents were down this year as well.  I hope both trends continue in 2014.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this and close out the show.
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Segment 4 DGUs and Show close
Tom- DGU 1-  A taxicab customer bit a Nashua, New Hampshire cab driver rather than pay the cab fare. That is when the bleeding cab driver pulled his licensed firearm and held the passenger until police arrived.  The passenger was charged with assault, disorderly conduct and resisting arrest. The cab company does not encourage drivers to carry, but many drivers do, particularly when working at 1AM.  Don’t bring your teeth to a gunfight.

 Ken- DGU 2- Lexington police are investigating an overnight home invasion near the University of Kentucky campus.  Victims told police they were alerted at 2:30 am when a man threw a brick through their second-floor window and climbed up to their apartment.  They say they fought with the intruder before eventually pulling out a gun, which sent the intruder running.  This is a good outcome since no shots were fired.  It doesn’t say so, but at 2AM, I’m betting alcohol or drugs were a factor.

Paul- DGU 3- Three criminals entered a small market in Bakersfield, California.  One of the thieves then displayed a gun and demanded that everyone raise their hands.  The store clerk was armed as well, and the clerk fired one shot before the thieves ran.  The wounded thief is in critical condition with a head wound at Kern Medical Center.  Two of the other criminals are in custody and a fourth is sought by police.  Potential criminals should note that it is legal to have firearms in your place of business in California.  Also, Kern County, California has a “shall” issue rather than a “may” issue policy for concealed carry applications.  Maybe you want to be a criminal somewhere else.

Rob- DGU 4- Someone posted this on our Facebook page.  Four robbers piled into a West Dallas, Texas store back in May.  What drew our attention is that the store owner shot one of the thieves and then all the thieves then fled. The store owner called the police.. who took..their time.. to respond.. as in 74 minutes.. to respond, and by the time the police arrived, the owner of Pepe’s Market and Deli had locked up his store and sent his employees home.  Thank goodness the owner had a firearm because the Dallas Police were not going to arrive any time soon to protect him and his employees. YouTube video of the News 4 video here

Paul: We have some year end stats for Politics and Guns. We grew,  and now have tree times more listeners than last year. Given that our advertising budget is the same as our the budget for our hosts and co-hosts, thank you, our listeners, for recommending the show to your friends.

Paul: We have Politics and Guns Podcast download applications out on Amazon for Android and I-phone is coming.

Frank Fiamingo of New Jersey Second Amendment Society will join us for the Weekend show, so let us know if you have any questions for Frank.  Contact us at Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Tom: That is 605- 215- 1438 and operators are standing by.. sometimes.

Ken: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump.

Tom: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the weekend show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 169- Biker Gangs, Kenya, EDC and Government Shutdown

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Paul Open: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast for Saturday the 5th of October 2013 I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in tonight’s show we’ll talk about the New York motorcycle gang attack video and some more about the Kenya terrorist attack
Sticks: I’m Sticks and we also talk about amending the Constitution…, so climb aboard
Rob: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 169 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1: Catch up and Sticks Appleseed, Rob shooting steel, the importance of trigger reset and knowing when to duck.
From NY mugging- An SUV beats three aces. Call the cops immediately.  The SUV stopped because the tires had already been slashed, so it appears the tires were slashed before the SUV ran over the motorcycle rider.  The average attack is 2.3 persons against one.  Tell me again how 7 shots is enough?  The best backup gun is a trained partner.
Up to 5 undercover NY PD officers were riding with the biker gang and they witnessed the beating.
Paul – discussion on protective driving and defensive driving. It’s much the same as the use of defensive firearms.  Trained at truck driving school when tractor trailers were being hijacked.  Defensive driving on a dirt track.
Main points on protective driving vs safe driving
1) In defensive driving your main goal is to prevent collisions and keep you and the occupants of your vehicle safe, in protective driving you have been threatened and are using the vehicle as a tool to regain the safety of you and the occupants of the vehicle – BIG Difference.
2) The vehicle is a FAR more effective tool for defense than almost anything else INCLUDING A FIREARM. If you doubt me look at the physics of the collision, you get FAR more impact from a 2500 pound car at 20 mph than a 1 ounce projectile at thousands of feet per second.
3) Momentum is your friend. If you are being physically threatened don’t stop for anything. I don’t care if your tires are GONE, you can still stay safe running on the rims, and a bad guy will play hell trying to get through a locked door at even 10 MPH.
4) You aren’t Dirty Harry, you cannot shoot and drive at the same time, leave the gun in the holster until the car cannot move anymore.
You can run Autocross with SCCA.  Costs you an 80 dollar helmet.
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Terrorist bombing in Nairobi, Kenya- Kenya is learning the lessons from this terrorist murder in Nairobi, lessons the rest of the world learned from the massacre seven years ago in Beslan Russia. Disarmed civilians are an easy and irresistible target for terrorists.  These mass murders make the government look impotent.  This is the first, not the last attack because disarmed Kenya is full of such targets.  There is not an alternatives to an armed citizenry.  The seeming alternative is a strict police state, but a police state is precisely what failed so miserably at Beslan where 380 people were killed.
Look for David Grossman as an expert on armed citizens. http://www.killology.com/
Look at the IDPA shooters responding to the Nairobi Mall murders.  I’ve seen them described as the police and as members of a local gun club.  Perhaps both.
http://gunfreezone.net/wordpress/index.php/2013/09/23/idpa-club-cl650933-nairobi-kenya/
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Seg 3
Government shutdown follies.
The Obama administration has to make the 13 percent budget cut pretty painful.  If the budget cut doesn’t hurt, then the voters might decide to keep the government smaller.  Include a list of ridiculous closures by the administration, like no fishing in the florida keys since the fish and game officials can’t prove you’re taking a legal catch.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/05/list-obama-closures-for-shutdown
Proposed 28th amendment to the US constitution-
All  sitting members of Congress, both the House and the Senate, are ineligible for re-election for life if the federal government spends or assumes liabilities that exceed the tax revenues received during the previous fiscal year.  Re-election to occur the next November.
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I heard that Piers Morgan has been asked to leave CNN. Should we take up a collection and send flowers.. like a funeral wreath?
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Roadgunner mag 40 May 16-19, 2014
Rob, what is your website?  http://slowfacts.wordpress.com/
Join NRA, SAF, GOA, JPFO, NJ2AS, Illinois carry, Buckeye Firearms, etc….

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Sticks, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 147 – Daryl Jamison and Frank Fiamingo

On this episode Daryl Jamison of www.gogunowners.com stops by to talk about helping with the fight to retain our rights and Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS talks about happenings in New Jersey.

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