Episode 340 – Terrorism Strikes Our Marines

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest Ed Levine

Interview Segment 2: Guest Alexander Roubian

Interview Segment 3: Anette Wachter:

DGU Segment 1:

DGU Segment 2: 

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, July 19th, 2015 I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk about the military service members shot in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a new proposal by the Obama Administration to add even more people to the NICS prohibited list.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and I’ll be giving a tribute to one of my first and strongest shooting mentors, Michael Adam.

Anette: I’m Anette Wachter, the 30 cal gal, and I’m headed to Camp Perry for the world long range shooting championships

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about defending yourself as you sit in your car, so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 340 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Last Sunday I spoke on Armed American Radio with Mark Walters.  Tuesday morning I spoke on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady. We talked about the Kate Steinle murder in San Francisco.

 

I wrote and read the news for Kenn Blanchard on his Black man with a gun podcast.

 

Intro to guns for a neighbor.  Studied Louisiana firearms laws and started giving away my reference books on California gun law.

 

John – This week was taken up mostly with work. Nothing gun related except for blogging. Even though I had free time, I didn’t even practice dry firing. I’m a slug, what can I say. However, next weekend, I am going to demo day held by SilencerCo. It is part of their Quiet Riot Tour and we’ll get a chance to shoot a number of weapons including submachine guns and SBRs that have been suppressed.

 

I would also like to note with some sadness that one of my favorite podcasts has ridden off into the sunset. Of course I’m talking about the Gun Dudes. They have decided after 340 episodes to call it quits. I wish them the best.

 

Rachel- This week my shooting community was stunned by the sudden tragic passing of Michael Adam, also known as Scout. Michael was a long-time Appleseed Master Instructor and also the co-founder of Battle Road. He’s been a guest here on the podcast, talking about our history and heritage. He was one of the best people I’ve known, and he heavily influenced all his shooting students, not just in the world of shooting, but also in the way he saw them as people and gave them hope and light and encouragement that reached to the very depths of their souls.

 

I can’t even begin to describe the breadth and depth of his impact on those he came into contact with, both those from Texas and all over the US. I can only try to sum up briefly some of what he mean to me personally.

 

Michael Adam taught me to shoot; to be an instructor; to value, respect, and care for those around me; to work harder and go farther than I thought I ever could; to never stop learning.

 

He warmly welcomed everyone I brought out to Davilla for Appleseed and Battle Road courses with a rare kind of hospitality and care. He brought together a team I was honored to be a part of. He always had stories to share, always crazy ideas for another great Zombie Run obstacle that he’d try to get Mark to agree to smile emoticon, and always a heart bigger than I remembered the last time.

 

His sudden passing leaves an immense hole in many lives, and my life will not be the same without Scout around. But his life left a lasting impact on everyone around him, and my life is not the same because he was a part of it. For that, I am grateful.

 

Gary-

 

Anette-

 

Paul: New to me truck that I have for a few weeks. I am driving a Volvo, and it has enough room I can actually dry fire in the truck.

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

 

(Ed levine is waiting on skype!)

Break

 

Seg 2- News

John reads

Service Member Shootings in Chattanooga
The staff of the Polite Society Podcast would like to express our sincere condolences to the family and friends of the five Service members killed at the Navy Operations Support Center in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Godspeed Gunnery Sgt. Thomas J. Sullivan, Staff Sgt. David A. Wyatt, Sgt. Carson A. Holmquist, Lance Cpl. Squire K. Wells and Petty Officer 2nd Class Randall Smith. Rest in Peace. Well done.

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Our thoughts and prayers are also with the two men wounded in the attack. Another attack in this unacknowledged but escalating war on the United States.

Governor Asa Hutchinson quickly acted to allow Arkansas’ Service personnel a chance to fight back by authorizing Arkansas National Guard Adjutant General Mark Berry to arm full-time military personnel. Arkansas National Guard bases will no longer be gun-free zones. Hutchinson acted in the memory of Arkansas’ native son; Sgt. Wyatt, who was killed in the terror attack. Then, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott announced he’s authorizing Texas National Guard Adjutant Gen. John Nichols to arm troops at facilities across the state in response to the deadly shooting rampage in Tennessee. Now, Gov. Mary Fallin has authorized the state’s adjutant general to arm full-time Oklahoma National Guardsmen at military facilities in Oklahoma.  Where our military men and women remain disarmed by executive order, armed Americans have been spontaneously showing up to protect those who protect us.

It seems that common sense is staging a comeback in these troubling times.

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John – I just read this morning that Indiana Gov. Mike Pence has authorized the Indiana National Guard and their recruiting stations to have armed personnel.

Rob- https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/07/19/while-obama-looks-the-other-way-citizens-and-governors-defend-military/

 

Will obama make recruiting centers gun free zones?

 

A New Class of Prohibited Persons

The LA Times reported on Saturday morning that the Obama Administration will be proposing that Social Security recipients – retirees and those that are on disability – who need help managing their money will now be included in the FBI’s NICS check system as prohibited persons.

 

Given that there is no reliable way to identify those recipients who have mental conditions, Alzheimers, dementia, disabilities due to brain injuries, etc., the Social Security Administration is proposing to use the VA standard. This standard is that anyone who has trouble managing their own financial affairs and needs a fiduciary is a prohibited person and is reported to the FBI for inclusion into the NICS database.  These people would be included in the category “mentally defective.”

 

Mental health professionals, advocates for the disabled, and people who support gun rights say this is not right. “Someone can be incapable of managing their funds but not be dangerous, violent or unsafe,” said Dr. Marc Rosen, a Yale psychiatrist who has studied how veterans with mental health problems manage their money. “They are very different determinations.”

 

Comment – John – I am furious over this. My mom died after suffering Alzheimers for years and now my mother in law is suffering from it. This proposal robs them and others of what shred of dignity they have left. As for stopping so-called “gun violence”, when was the last time you heard Grandma involved in a mass murder.

 

Comment- Rachel – I often encounter people who think measures like these are a great step forward. I can often change their minds simply by asking the question: who gets to decide who’s not allowed to have a gun, and what gives them that right?

 

Last week, Maine Governor Paul LePage signed constitutional carry into law.  Maine is the eighth state that does not require a permit to carry concealed weapon.  Constitutional carry applies to all non-prohibited persons over 21 years of age, or over 18 and in the military.  Quoting one maine legislator, “You can open carry in Maine now. All this does is allow open carry gun owners to put on a jacket.”

BREAK

 

Gary-  We have two pieces of good news to report from Oregon. First, the Oregon Supreme court said that law enforcement could not routinely ask if a citizen had a firearm on their person without probable cause.  In this case, the citizen was stopped for J-walking.  Concealed carriers in Oregon do not have a duty to inform a police officer when they are stopped.

 

The second news story is that the anti-gun Democrat House Majority Leader Val Hoyle will no longer face a recall.  Pro-rights groups collected enough signatures to force Hoyle into a recall election, but the recall stopped when Hoyle announced she was leaving office.  Well done Oregon gun owners.   [We did this last week]

 

-Mayor Stephen Reed was indicted.  The Mayor of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania was charged with hundreds of counts covering some 17 separate charges of of theft, bribery and fraud.  Why would we cover the prosecution of a democrat mayor of Harrisburg, pennsylvania.  Mayor Reed is a proud member of Bloomberg’s Mayors against illegal guns.. also known as illegal mayors against guns.

 

Reed used the former Harrisburg funding Authority as a political ATM and withdrew hundreds of thousands of dollars charged to “administrative fees.”

The Mayor bribed members of Harrisburg City Council to pass questionable city bonds.

The Mayor is also charged with taking funds from the city Parking Authority, the Civic Baseball Club and the city School District.

 

With a record like that, Mayor Reed could run for office in Chicago or Trenton.. once he gets out of prison.

 

So far the decision as to whether Catholic churches in Chicago will open their doors to licensed concealed carry holders is left up to each church.  The Catholic Conference of Illinois says it is studying the matter.  Last week Chicago Archbishop Blase Cupich said he supports banning licensed concealed carry holder from entering his churches.

 

Quote “I know that in many dioceses there are policies that firearms are not permitted in churches, and I think that’s that’s only reasonable.. I surely would be supportive of not having any firearms in our churches.”  close quote.

 

From what I read, a Catholic church in Chicago will open its doors to a criminal illegal alien, but turn away a licensed concealed carry holder.  Hmm.

 

Comment – MDA of NJ is starting a Twitter campaign to get Pope Francis to endorse their campaign for “gunsense”.

 

Rob- Church liability?

 

-I wonder if Chicago Archbishop Cupich reads reports from John Lott’s Crime Prevention Research Center.  Last week Dr. Lott summarized recent trends in concealed carry, and here is the news we can use.

 

-You know that concealed carry is growing in popularity.  Since President Obama was elected, the number of concealed handgun permits has grown from just under 5 million to almost 13 million today.

-Not only that, but the rate of growth is increasing each year.  Last year the number of permits grew by a record 15% , and this is while more states adopt constitutional carry and don’t require permits.

-The murder rate fell by 25 percent during that same period showing that our guns don’t cause crime.

-Today, the national average is that one out of 19 adults has a permit to carry.

-In five states the licensed carry rate is more common than one in ten adults.

-In ten states, a permit is no longer required to carry almost everywhere.

-The face of concealed carry is changing.  Since 2007, permits for women have increased by 270% while permits have only grown by 156% for men.

Evidence suggests that permit holding by minorities is increasing more than twice as fast as for whites.

That is good news.

– As you would expect, the number of federal background checks set a new record in June.

 

Rachel- Gun Quotes-

Prohibiting the means of self-defense is clearly the same as prohibiting the right of self-defense.  Unknown Author

 

You know what is really (screwed) up? That Michael Bloomberg and Shannon Watts have more firepower with them than the Marines had in Chattanooga.

Miguel Gonzalez

 

So what symbol of hate needs to come down in Chicago to stop the violence there?

George Hill

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Ed Levine from DC carry-  Ed Levine talks about the murder of Kevin Joseph Sutherland on a Washington DC metro train.

What happened.

media coverage

gun free zone

stay of issuing cc permits in DC

 

Alexander Roubian from nj2as-

Sweeney recall

fear from NJ citizens

85 year old ww 2 vet

reason for fear- event was cancelled

 

gun ranges won’t support the recall

 

more signature gathering events

weekends

mid-week

 

protest ban a sweeney’s house

website- contact events: New Jersey Second Amendment Society

recall sweeney.com  http://www.recallsweeney.com/

 

Anette Wachter-

bolt action 308 155 gr, iron sight, sling support

1000 yds

read the mirage before trusting the flags (every 100 yds along the range)

rifle- rpi quad lock action, stock- jim cloward, kreeger barrel, warner sights.

single and team event, crew served weapon

Palma and Long distance

Palma requires a 3.5 lb trigger.

Precision rifle is more of a sniper layout, magazine feed and uses optics.

Leupold mark 6 (3 to 18 power)

mirage

coriolis effect

wind (flags, mirage drift, near wind, far wind0

elevation

spin drift

 

Rob- Segment 4 DGUs

 

Could you defend yourself as you sit in your car?

Our first story starts late at night in Nashville Tennessee.  A 74 man had just gotten into his car when two teens robbed him.  They took his cell phone and demanded he get out of his car.  The elderly man climbed from his car.. and drew his concealed carry pistol.  He shot one of the robbers but missed the second.  The second robber ran.  The elderly man held the wounded thief for police.  Police are looking for the thief who took the man’s cell phone, but police already determined the shooting was in self-defense.

 

Do you think you’re ready for a gunfight?

Four men pulled up to a convenience store.  The getaway driver stayed in the car while the other three put on masks, drew their guns and stormed into a Super K convenience store in Houston, Texas.  The thieves grabbed a customer and used her as a human shield.  The thieves demanded money from the clerk behind the counter.  Then they beat the clerk when he did not comply fast enough.  Another stove employee heard the robbery and walked into the store from the back room.  He drew his handgun and shot two of the three thieves.  All three fled to their waiting get-away car.  The two wounded criminals later died in a local hospital.  Police are still looking for one of the robbers.  The clerk required stitches to the back of his head.

 

The store owner said most of the employees are armed because the store had already been robbed within the previous month.  Are you ready to take on three armed men?  This store owner didn’t have a choice.

 

Red Molly
A Tallahassee couple’s waking nightmare was a man outside their bedroom door screaming I’m gonna kill you! I’m gonna kill you! She grabbed a phone; he grabbed a gun. The gun got to the scene a lifetime quicker than the cops. The wide-eyed, frothing invader was only five feet from the homeowner when he fired. Struck in the chest, Jarod Clemons, 27, staggered out the smashed front door and back into the night, where he died.

Mr Clemons had had a busy night. It started with a hit of a new street drug Molly, a synthetic variant of Ecstasy cut with unknown substances. It involved jumping from his girlfriend’s moving car, seeking help in a police station, breaking out of an ambulance on the way to a hospital, terrorizing a neighborhood, and finally throwing a planter through the front door of the house where he met his end.

 

In the past year, ERs have seen a sharp increase in patients taking Molly. “Somebody who comes in on Molly is actively psychotic. They’re usually very combative.” said an ER  physician. Our listeners should be aware of the growing threat of the many, new synthetic street drugs. The people they encounter may be impervious to pain, stronger, faster, more aggressive and far less rational than the ordinary criminal. This situation has reminded one cop of the bad old days of Angel Dust, only worse.

 

Man Stops a Firearm Robbery With Open Carry Weapon

“I was at the counter buying bullets with my cousin and I heard some loud bangs. I look up and they are just loading up weapons from the counter and then they run off and my instincts kicked in.” Joey Tapley followed the three robbers outside the store, pulled his open carry weapon and stopped one of the thieves. “I told him drop the gun man, mine is loaded, just drop the gun. We made eye contact for a second or two and he dropped two guns and ran,” Police later arrested the three teenagers and an unidentified woman.

Tapley carries a gun openly and says his effort wouldn’t have been possible without Governor Brownback’s approval of the open-carry law that took effect on July 1.

While we applaud the results of Tapley’s actions, we must point out that he took an awful lot upon himself. As no lives were being threatened, many self-defense instructors would advise the armed citizen not to get involved in these situation. The risks are huge. Things could have gone south very quickly, as they did in the following DGU:
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John- Customer Follows/ Shoots Robber
An early morning trip to a New Orleans gas station turned  into a fight for survival for an armed citizen attempting to stop a robbery suspect. The thief got the stations cash as well as the man’s wallet. The victim went to his car, retrieved a firearm, and confronted the escaping robber.  Shots were exchanged and the thief collapsed after running a few steps. The criminal is in critical condition and will be booked on two counts of armed robbery, possession of stolen property and possession of illegal narcotics if he survives.

Again in this instance, the armed citizen acted when there was no active threat to himself or others. He put his life, his future, his family and his finances all on the line. Many jurisdictions would not look kindly upon these actions. The man luckily survived the shootout. It’s unknown if he will have similar luck with the legal system.

 

For all of us that carry a firearm in public, it’s up to us to educate ourselves and decide in advance what we would do if we were confronted by a similar situation.

 

Vietnam Vet Shoots Robber
Sometimes, you just have to do what you have to do. A Vietnam Vet found himself in the proverbial box one afternoon. His trip to a Sycamore, Georgia gas station was altered with the words; “Put the money in the bag!” Don Rogers looked up and saw a man pointing a pistol at the clerk.

 

With another’s life and his own in obvious danger, Rogers acted. He pulled his CCW. “When I did, he looked over at me and turned my way and I fired a shot. And he grabbed his side and then I fired two more shots before he got out the door,” Rogers said.

 

A shaken Rogers related; “Well, I was hoping nothing like this would ever happen, but I was glad I had my weapon with me… I just did what I had to do.” The store clerk says Don Rogers may have saved his life. Turner County Sheriff Andy Hester observed; “These people that’ll go out and do this kind of stuff need to realize – it ain’t always gonna fare to their favor, just because they’re a predator.”

The predator and his female accomplice called 911 from three miles away. She’s in jail as an accessory to armed robbery, he’s in a Macon hospital in critical condition. A gas station clerk and Don Rogers are alive and well — he just did what he had to do.

 

A Robber’s Here, Daddy

Out of the mouths of babes… A three year old toddler startled his father with the words “A robber’s here, daddy.” Seconds later, the Eldorado, Ohio homeowner faced a masked, obscenity-shouting gunman. Forced to protect the five members of his family, the man shot once, hitting the intruder in the chest. Police found the robber unconscious in the home’s front hallway. He died at nearby hospital. The parents say they did not know the 22-year-old criminal.

Stay armed, stay alert, and stay safe out there – it’s an increasingly dangerous world.

 

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Segment 5 Show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

I wrote about Taxing Washington State Politicians.  The Seattle City Council wanted to tax law abiding gun owners because of the harm criminals do with guns.  I proposed a new tax on all politicians because of the harm some politicians have done.

 

I have a second series of posts wrote about armed citizens standing guard outside military recruiting centers and armories.  These articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland,  and at my blog, slow facts dot word press dot com

 

John do you want to mention anything off of No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

 

Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors has started a campaign to get Cabela’s to not release firearms purchases after the three day period if the NICS check comes back as “delay/hold”. As I said in my blog post, has anyone from that organization ever bought a firearm at Cabela’s? I have and they have the most comprehensive process for gun sales I’ve ever seen. It is computerized, it involves double checking entries, and it involves managers. Moreover, according to the FBI itself, a person is assumed to be eligible to purchase a firearm unless they find a disqualifying factor. A delay or hold means the FBI wants to check a little deeper but they haven’t found a reason to deny the person. Under Federal law, after three days, the dealer is allowed to transfer the firearm. It is not an “incomplete check” as stated by the gun prohibitionists.

 

You can find this post and many more at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank alexander roubian from the new Jersey second amendment society, Anette Wachter- the thirty call gal, and Ed Levian from dc carry for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 331: Alexander Roubian Of NJ2AS

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, May 31 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with Alexander Roubian about the campaign to recall New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Texas finally getting open carry.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our we have a rarity, a DGU in New Jersey! .. so climb aboard (???)

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 321 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I got to shoot my Mosin Nagant again.  I had to sight the rifle in after I put a taller front sight on it.  I am a three minute shooter so far. I’d like to shoot it again shooting outdoors with a larger target at a longer distance.  I also shot my friends Browning copy of a 1881 lever action in 45-70.  That 350 grain bullet makes the Mosin feel like a 22.  It is embarrassing that the Browning front sight was a tenth of an inch too short.

 

I read the news for Kenn Blanchard’s program Black Man with a Gun.  I was also on the Lock and Load Radio Show with Bill Frady.  Bill said he’ll come on our podcast.  So will Bob Mayne next month.

 

John, what have you been up to?

 

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John – Not much to report this week. It has been mostly work since Memorial Day. I have been assembling the parts for my retro AR-15 A1. I just need the barrel to complete it. It will be a mixture of original surplus parts and some modern parts especially in the fire controls. My dad had shot Expert with the M-16 and I thought I’d like something similar to what he was issued.

 

Gary- Teaching, shot the Para again still working on FTF issues.

 

Paul – Getting ready for next weekend’s renaissance festival. meetings meetings meetings.

 

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

 

Break

Seg 2- News

 

John-

-Judge  Frederick J. Scullin Junior said Washington, DC’s regulation of concealed carry was unconstitutional.  The judge enjoined the city from enforcing those laws.  Then judge Scullin denied DC’s request for a stay in his decision.  In layman’s terms, the judge said I mean it, and I mean it now.  The second amendment foundation has filed a motion seeking contempt charges against the city.

 

The city had a chance to appeal the judge’s original decision.  One reason the city might not have appealed is that DC did not want to lose in front of a federal appeals court, and the DC law was so egregious that the could well have lost even in front of a democrat appointed judicial panel.

 

-Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin signed a knife preemption bill.  It passed the Oklahoma house by a vote of 81 to 4.   The governor signed a bill allowing automatic opening knives the previous week.  This means that common knives are legal across the state of Oklahoma.. and law enforcement can pursue violent criminals rather than chasing honest knife owners.

 

Licensed Open Carry Passes in Texas.

-The Texas senate and house passed separate open carry bills.  and then both chambers ignored open carry until the last days of this legislative session.  The Senate finally took up the house bill and passed licensed open carry.  It included a provision that open carry is not probable cause for arrest.  The concern was that texas police would arrest any black person carrying a gun.  That provision has been eliminated from the bill and both houses of the Texas legislature pass the bill on Friday. Gov. Greg Abbott tweeted, “Open Carry just passed in both the Texas House & Senate. Next destination: My Pen.

 

John – I know I have teased my fellow podcast Rachel Malone about how North Carolina is ahead of Texas on this. We have had unlicensed open carry since 1922. That said, I want to recognize all the hard work that she and other gun rights activists put in to make this law a reality. Congratulations to all 2A activists in TX who fought for this.

 

Campus Carry in Texas

A campus carry bill passed the Texas Senate by a 20-11 vote on Saturday. The bill will be taken up by the Texas House on Sunday afternoon. Gov. Abbott has said he will sign the bill when it arrives on his desk.

The bill as passed by the Senate would allow licensed carry holders carry in dorms, classrooms, and public buildings of public universities. A provision to add private universities was eliminated in a conference committee.

While schools will be able to designate their own “gun free zones”, it will be limited.

State Sen. Brian Birdwell, R-Granbury, said his legislation would allow for “very limited, reasonable prohibitions” on handguns in certain locations on university property.

He said his intent was that public college campuses would be as “permissive and accessible” as possible to handgun license holders and that universities would be as “specific and as minimalistic as possible” in defining restricted areas.

Break??? Yes

 

Rob-

Concealed Carrier Has Pistol Seized and Disassembled and Placed in Trunk.
A Coral Gables, Florida policeman noticed a CCW License, freaked out, seized the pistol, disassembled it, and placed it in the trunk. And his chief see nothing wrong with it.

 

A man and his family were driving through Coral Gables when they were pulled over for exceeding the 15 MPH speed limit. The cop notice the CCW License when getting the Driver’s License. His reaction was completely without justification. He order the driver to freeze and the officer reached in and removed the pistol from the driver’s holster. The pistol was finally returned, disassembled, in the trunk. The driver is sure he was treated as a criminal. And his police chief feels the deputy did nothing wrong.

 

Marion Hammer, executive director of the Unified Sportsmen of Florida and past-president of the National Rifle Association, disagrees. “I believe this incident involves an illegal search — without provocation — of a law abiding citizen duly licensed to carry a concealed weapon,” Eric Friday, the general counsel for Florida Carry, Inc. also has issues with the constitutionality of the search. Friday was not surprised by the allegations.

 

Friday reiterated that no driver in Florida has a duty to tell police when they are armed. “Because of repeated instances such as you are describing to me, I no longer recommend that to people today,” Friday said. “I changed my position because of misconduct such as this. … I strongly believe it’s time for the legislature to create specific penalties that apply when the rights of concealed-carry licensees are abused, or this will continue unabated.”

 

It’s a sad state of affairs when the cops mistrust and fear their obvious ally.

 

Anti-Gun Professor Dismisses California Gun Violence Restraining Orders
We’ve met anti-gun UCLA Law professor Adam Winkler before: the blog Not One More Gun Law fisked his inane HuffPo article Ferguson: With So Many Guns in America, Police Are Trained to Live in Fear. He pushes the standard snake-oil of universal background checks and scary gun bans. So it was a little surprising when he dismissed the new California Gun Violence Restraining Orders as ineffective.

 

Last year, California instituted Gun Violence Restraining Orders allowing associates and law enforcement to immediately strip a citizen’s 2nd Amendment rights with nothing more than an allegation. Patterned after the much-abused Domestic Violence Restraining Orders, the GVROs are a clear threat to California citizen’s embattled rights. A bill to punish false allegations was soundly defeated in the legislature.

The National Journal found that GVROs would not have stopped recent mass shootings. In their report, Winkler is quoted, “The truth is that it is very rare to know in advance when someone is going to be dangerous with a firearm. This is not going to make a huge dent in our gun violence statistics.”  Seems like even this stopped clock is right for once.

 

Loretta Lynch’s DOJ Will Move Forward With a Dozen Anti-Gun Regulations

The Obama administration’s Department of Justice will move forward with a dozen new anti-gun regulations The Hill reported. These proposed rules are to be enacted in the waning years of Obama’s term.

According to The Hill, the new regulations range from restrictions on high-powered pistols to gun storage requirements. There will be a renewed effort to keep guns out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable or have been convicted of domestic abuse. There are rising concerns that the administration will try to disqualifying as many people as possible from gun ownership; people who may have had a problem at some time in their past, regardless of their current behaviour.

 

John Lott reports the media’s coming support of these efforts has been telegraphed by Columbia University’s weekend workshop for journalists. Fifteen of the panel’s seventeen “experts” were allegedly gun control advocates. Apparently, journalism that presents both sides of the story is long gone. Gun Safety is likely to be the media theme, a more palatable, disingenuous description of anti-gun efforts. The workshop promised a range of biased anti-rights talking points, ignoring much of the benefits and realities of an armed populace.

It’s been said many times before, but the remaining months of Obama’s reign are likely to be the most dangerous ever to the Constitution as a whole and the Right To Keep and Bear Arms specifically.

 

House Bill To Require Gun Owners To Carry Liability Insurance
One of Bloomberg’s Useful Idiots: NY Rep Carolyn Maloney has introduced a bill to require the nation’s gun owners to carry liability insurance. The Firearm Risk Protection Act, would require gun buyers to have liability insurance before being allowed to purchase a firearm, fining any owner $10,000 if found not to have it. Service members and law enforcement officers would be exempt from the requirement.
It should be obvious that requiring a citizen to purchase a service from a private entity before exercising a Protected Right strains the limits of the Constitution and common sense. Poor inner city residents most in need would be economically prevented from exercising their right to self-defense. This is far from Maloney’s first anti-gun initiative. Just last week we discussed her proposed bill requiring each gun purchase to be reported to the Attorney General.  Maloney and her puppet-master Bloomberg are clearly no friends of the Constitution.

 

John – I hate to add this but Maloney is a North Carolina native who went to New York City seeking fame, fortune, and gun control.

 

The New Nationwide Crime Wave: The Ferguson Effect

It’s been a rough ten months since the justifiable shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. And It looks like it’s going to get worse. In a Wall Street Journal commentary, the impacts of the growing anti-police sentiments of the black activists, media and Progressive politician’s are examined. Called the Ferguson Effect, it documents the restrictions on the police and the resulting dramatic increase in crime.

 

As we in the gun-rights community well know, politicians typically respond to notorious crimes and events by punishing the law-abiding. The Ferguson Effect is much of the same. After a string of highly publicized black deaths by police, usually when the suspect has resisted arrest, there has been a slew of anti-police efforts. Police have been facing new rules, regulations and policies, DOJ consent decrees, community organizers and politicized civilian review boards, all under the highly biased microscope of the media.

 

The assault on policing has resulted in a destruction of police morale. The officers realize that any interaction with a suspect, no matter how warranted, may end up destroying their lives and family. Proactive policing, typified by the very effect “Broken Window” policies, is gone, and crime has jumped. Rates of murder, assaults, and burglaries, have increased dramatically, in some neighborhoods as much as 500%. The decades long decrease in crime appears to be ending.

Unfortunately, the immediate victims of the rising urban violence are the poor of the  inner city. Their ability to live safely and climb out of that morass will be threatened by the empowered criminals. But have no fear, the violence will not stay in the ghetto: everyone must be vigilant. Further compounding their errors, politicians will take advantage of the increasing crime rates to push for the usual ineffective gun restrictions.

 

Read the attached article in the show notes, it is well worth your time. And prepare and be aware. It’s an increasingly dangerous world out there.

 

Gun Quote  (who?)

How strangely will the tools of a tyrant pervert the plain meaning of words.  Samuel Adams.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Alexander Roubian from NJ2AS, http://www.recallsweeney.com/

Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 09:00 AM

Glassboro, NJ, exact location TBA

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Paul-

Woman Injured Defending Her Home

A 51-year-old woman was shot defending the occupants of her home from three armed and masked attackers. The three attackers burst through the Townsend, Delaware home and demanded money. One of the occupants was roughed up by an invader. The woman shot at an armed intruder and suffered a shot to the leg in the exchange of gunfire. The invaders fled, it is not known if any was injured. She and the roughed-up young man are in the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

 

Sometimes the cost of self-defense can be high – but worth it, especially when four lives are in the balance.

 

Intruder Shot By Woman

A Trenton, New Jersey woman was forced to defend her life with a gun. A jilted lover broke into her house and she shot him in the thigh. The lovesick and ventilated Jemoine Morris was picked up by police and taken to the hospital. He has been charged with criminal mischief. As of now, the woman has not been charged, but the New Jersey investigation is ongoing.

 

Cabby Fights Back

A Sebastian, Florida cab driver is alive and well after being held at knifepoint by two would-be robbers thanks to being armed. The two men had hailed the cab on early Saturday morning and then held a knife on the driver as they attempted to rob him. The cabby drew his handgun and shot one of the men. After the shooting, both men fled the scene. However, police were able to follow the blood trail and find them. The cabby identified the wounded man as the one who had held the knife on him. The wounded man was given medical assistance but died on his way to the hospital.

 

Wrong Movers

Two guys were helping a third guy move into his new Aurora, Colorado condo on Friday night. They were approached by three juveniles who attempted to rob the men at  gunpoint. As two of the men started to pull out their wallets, the third man pulled out his handgun and shot all three of the robbers. One juvenile died after being taken to the hospital, another is in serious condition, and a third was arrested on unrelated charges after he sought treatment for a shoulder wound at Aurora South Hospital. The movers were questioned by police and prosecutors and released without any charges.

 

Car Thief Held At Gunpoint

From listener John comes a tale of modern jurisprudence. Tye Wiegel was interrupted in the pursuit of his trade by a Willimantic, Connecticut resident.  Mr. Wiegel was attempting to steal the man’s car, parked in front of the man’s house. Wiegel declined to cease his attempts, so the resident went into his house, grabbed a handgun, and held the slow-on-the-uptake thief at gunpoint for the police.

Ol’ Tye is well known to the police and is said to be a heroin addict, no surprise there. Police stated that “This is not our first time dealing with him with car break-ins. He was just arrested not too long ago. He was also a suspect in a car break-in earlier today,” He has been charged with sixth-degree larceny, criminal attempt to commit the crime and second-degree breach of peace. For all that, he is held on only a $5,000 bond. Listeners are invited to speculate on how long this one man crime wave will remain behind bars.

 

Police said the homeowner was not hurt but cautioned other residents against confronting criminals.

Surviving a Home Invasion

Many of our DGUs involve home invasions. Unfortunately, home takeovers are becoming increasingly common as thieves become more brazen and violent.  With the home invasion, kidnapping, extortion, torture and murder of the Savopoulous family in Washington, DC, the Statfor Group has written an excellent article on Surviving a Home Invasion. The article is being offered free to non-subscribers. There is no way we could do this article justice trying to summarize it in a few words, so we urge every one of our listeners to follow the link in the show notes and read this potentially life-saving article.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Alan emailed this one in with the subject line “Holding a bad guy at gunpoint”

 

Hi,

 

Let me start by thanking you for your podcast.  I listen to several different podcasts on a variety of topics, but I rank yours among the most anticipated each week.

 

From time to time someone mentions holding a bad guy at gunpoint until the police arrive. The question I have is how do you do that?  If I were the sort of person who makes a living divesting other people of their possessions, and I were to encounter an armed person not inclined to be a victim, I believe I would simply turn my back, raise my hands in the air and say in a loud clear voice “I’m going to walk away now, I’m not a threat to you.  If you shoot me you will be convicted of murder, if you try to stop me or even touch me you will be convicted of assault.  In either case you will also end up in civil court where me or my family will sue you for everything you and your family have or ever will have.  I’m leaving now, and you would be stupid to try to stop me.” In fact, based on recent news coverage, you could almost make the same speech to a Police Officer.

 

What do you think?

 

Alan Hammock

formerly of Houston, Texas

recently moved to Virginia.

 

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Paul – Here is what I wrote back to Alan –

 

Hey Alan,

 

Thanks for writing in!  I just got home and have added your email to our show notes for Sunday’s show.

 

A few thoughts on your email, I will of course repeat these on the show.

 

#1 if they do stop what they are doing and slowly back away, you are correct that since they aren’t a threat that you could be convicted of murder if you do shoot. However there are a few circumstance where you are morally obligated to shoot a retreating felon EVEN if the threat has stopped. If you attend a MAG40 class this will be discussed. Let me just say that the chances are so remote to the extreme to be say while the chances are not 0 they are close.

 

#2 Holding someone at gunpoint is all about control and command.  Believe me that if I were to boost my voice out good and loud in the proper tone that I can make someone absolutely believe that if they twitch in the wrong way that I am able and prepared to shoot them.

 

#3 We need to differentiate the severity of what you are attempting to stop (or in the case of our conversation have just stopped). If they have just kicked down your door and have maybe stolen something… Let them go. If they have already killed, that is another story.

 

There really is no black and white here.

 

Finally on the point of police, you do seem to have a point with that considering all of the negative publicity in the mainstream media lately, however I really wouldn’t want to be the one to try it.  😉

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/more-lethal-help-from-the-federal-government/

There were 27 shootings in Baltimore over the Memorial day weekend. 19 people were robbed in New York City’s central park. Chicago had 12 people shot to death and an additional 47 shot and wounded over the same weekend.  Our oh-so-caring politicians had to show sympathy for this flood of blue-city blood.  Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, called for more gun control.

 

I pointed out that the violence is the symptom, not a cause.  The cause is the failed policies of deep-blue cities like Baltimore,  Detroit, New York City and Chicago.  You can’t fix stupid with gun-control.

 

I also spoke to a friend of mine.  He is a local spark plug and gets things started and done.  He started one step at a time, so I wrote an article called The Painless Ladder of Self-Defense Activism.

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/31/the-painless-ladder-of-self-defense-activism/

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money you would like to talk about?

 

I just want to mention a short post I did about the Brady Center lawyers on a case in Wisconsin. They have already had to withdraw from one case because they violated pre-trial publicity rules of the Wisconsin Bar. Now it looks like they will have to withdraw from another case in Milwaukee over the same issue. Their conduct is being alleged to be prejudicial to a fair jury. It looks like another misstep by the Bad Apple lawyers from the Brady Center.

 

This and other posts can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 312 – Alexander Roubian, Richard Smith, Dean Weingarten, Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.mp3

Individual show segments

Segment 1:  Rob and Rachel open the show and talk about what has been happening with them since the last episode.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.1.mp3

Segment 2: News segment 1. Anti-Gun activists caught with guns where they shouldn’t have them. Interview with Dean Weingarten, are concealed permit holders really more law abiding than police?  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.2.mp3

Segment 3: News segment 2. Stepehen Josey gets an appeal. ATF says it doesn’t need to file the changes ban of popular rifle ammo to the federal register. Legislation to pass more restrictions in Vermont hits a snag. Texas Governor lists open carry as a priority. Campus carry issues. Gun Quote.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.3.mp3

Segment 4: Interview with Alexander Rubian, President of NJ2AS http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.4.mp3

Segment 5: Interview with Richard Smith of the Second Amendment Foundation Training Division.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.5.mp3

Segment 6: Interview with Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.6.mp3

Segment 7: DGUs and show close http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.7.mp3

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Wednesday, February 18th, 2015. I’m Rachel Malone.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we’ll talk with Alexander Roubian of NJ2AS, and Richard Smith from the SAF training division, and Dean Weingarten from the Gun Watch blog.
Rachel-  and we’ll also talk with Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack of Second Amendment Women.
Rob- did I tell you about anti-gun celebrities being caught illegally carrying handguns?  We have that and a lot more,
Rachel- so climb aboard
Rob- strap in
Rachel- and hang on! Episode 312 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- lead in  This is the personal news segment of the polite society podcast.  John is off supervising the birth of a grandchild, so we have Rachel and I to hold down the podcast today.  Rachel, How is your gun world? Have you caught up on sleep after living in the Texas Senate building last week?

Rachel- I have caught up on sleep…just in time for the start of Jordan’s spring football. 😉 It’s all good. Nothing strictly with guns this past week…I need to change that…but if you can expand that to general preparedness, I do have news. Jordan and I are setting up a home gym and I found a bunch of great stuff off of Craigslist. Very excited about that.

As a follow-up to last week’s committee hearing – the witness list was posted today. I’ve been looking forward to perusing it and learning what I can. Here’s what we’ve found after a quick reading this afternoon:
77% of those “against” came from Austin, TX; 23% came from elsewhere.
21% of those “for” or “on” came from Austin, TX; 79% came from elsewhere.
78% of those “against” only dropped a registration card.
35% of those “for” or “on” only dropped a registration card.

Rob- The local city planning commission is using lame excuses to refuse a gun range the building permits it needs.  I spoke about it at a local political meeting and asked the audience to go to the planning commission meeting  that is happening right now.  They reminded me of the ATF.  The ATF said cheap 223 ammunition has no sporting purpose.  Scuse me?  What else are you going to do with cheap ammo but shoot it for sport?  The local planning commission said the range was not for recreation.  What they meant to say is we don’t like your kind around here.

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Rachel gives us the news

-David Malik is a leading civil rights attorney in Cleveland, Ohio.  He also doesn’t want you owning guns.  Mister Malik was arrested over the weekend at Cleveland Hopkins Airport.   Malik had a concealed handgun in his carry-on bag.  David Malik is the original attorney for the family of 12-year-old Tamir Rice who was slain by police in November.  Attorney Malik spent the night in jail after a .22 caliber handgun and a box of ammunition were discovered in his luggage by airport security.

It is common for anti-gun celebrities to carry firearms.  Dwayne Ferguson was a community activist and a vocal supporter of the New York SAFE act.. until he was arrested for illegally bringing a pistol onto school grounds in Buffalo, New York.

Illinois state senator Donne Trotter was charged with a felony for bringing a loaded handgun through the security checkpoint at O’Hare airport.  Democrat Trotter was running to replace Jesse Jackson Jr. in Congress at the time.  This happened before the courts brought concealed carry to Illinois.  Trotter routinely voted to kill concealed carry bills in the Illinois Senate.

More serious was the example set by California State Senator Leland Yee.  Senator Yee both proposed and supported strict gun control.. for California citizens.  That was before his arrest on political corruption, racketeering and gun trafficking charges.  Yee wanted to sell rocket propelled grenades to criminals.

Retired Chicago Alderman Richard Mell is the father-in-law of disgraced former governor and felon Rod Blagojevich.  Alderman Mell helped craft Chicago’s old ban on handguns.  Alderman Mell also used his political connections to rewrite the registration law and create an “amnesty” period after he’d neglected to do the paperwork needed to keep his firearms.

And the late Frank Melton, former mayor of Jackson, Miss., routinely violated “gun laws” .. the same laws he demanded everyone else to obey.

There is a troubling double standard in the case of Democrat Texas State Sen. Juan “Chuy” Hinojosa.  The senator brought his own gun into an airport security area.. and didn’t even have to stand for arraignment.

Rob- Michael Moore’s bodyguard was charged for carrying a gun in a gun free zone.  Last week, the Bloomberg group Moms demand action for gun safety hired armed bodyguards, and used the armed guards to push around unarmed civilians when they testified at the Texas capital.  There are rules for us, and special rules for gun-control spokesmen and politicians.

Rachel-You remember what firearms instructor Bob Main says.  “I carry a gun because I can’t carry a cop.”  Even if we could have a policeman at our shoulder, we might want to leave them at the police station.  We’ve all seen the social media posts about police using unnecessary force.  Partial data indicates that police are convicted of firearms violations much more often than concealed carry holders.  We don’t have the complete data across the US for concealed carry holders, but the data we have for Florida says that the police were over 20 times more likely to be charged with a firearms violation than civilians.

Rob- Some factors explain the high rate of violations by law enforcement.  Each policeman sees more violent incidents than the average civilian.  Also, a civilian will often bring charges against an officer if the officer misuses a gun.  The concealed carry holder knows who belongs in his living room in the middle of the night.. and the policeman doesn’t.

There are other factors that work against the concealed carry holder.  Each criminal on the street will assault many civilians before the criminal is finally arrested by a policeman.   Also, many  jurisdictions ignore behavior by police where that same behavior by a civilian would result in prosecution.

Rob- we have dean Dean Weingarten here to make sense of this subject. Gun Watch blog, and it has a lot of news.  “For the data that we have, police appear to be three times as likely to commit murder as a concealed carry permit holder.”  Dean interview.

Dean Weingarten, welcome.
How did you get interested in this subject.
I’ve been an instructor for 40 years.  My students are extraordinarily responsible.
How do concealed carry holders compare to law enforcement officers.
Who records when an officer is arrested?
Not the FBI.  The FBI doesn’t even collect the justifiable homicides.
Domestic violence by police is closely tracked.
Who did you compare.
What did you find.
Police are 1.4/100k vs Florida is a third of that number.
police 4-5 times more likely than CCW
CCW 9 times more law abiding than general public.
Gunwatch.com
Ammoland.com
news 2

Rachel- Frequent listeners should remember hearing the young man from New Jersey.  Steffon Josey asked for an appeal, and an appeal was granted.  He and Evan Nappen will be in court soon!   They will have a date will be released in a few days. This poor kid needs some cash to earn his freedom.  Please donate to his go-fund-me account.  Throw in something even if it is only $5.

-The ATF claimed it does not need to publish its new rules in the Federal Register as it re-interprets the meaning of “armor piercing ammunition to outlaw surplus 223 ammo.  The ATF claims the reinterpretation is exempt from the Federal Administrative Procedures Act.  President Obama claimed the same thing when he re-wrote immigration law with his phone and his pen.

-Legislation to require more background checks on gun sales in Vermont has hit a major snag. Anti-rights advocates lobbied lawmakers to require background checks for sales of firearms at gun shows and over the internet. The legislation even made it into committee.  Senator Dick Sears of Bennington is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.  Senator Sears said quote “I don’t believe the background check portion of the bill has the votes to pass out of –committee.” close quote.  Most legislators do their homework and count votes before they propose legislation.

Moms Demand Action has been caught lying…again. Only this time, the untruth occurred in a committee hearing of the Texas Senate. Kelly Burke is the president of the Texas MDA chapter. While testifying against the open carry and campus carry bills last week, Ms. Burke claimed, (quote) “we do not know, about how, quote, responsible CHL holders are, because that data set is not available and is completely locked down. Any statements about how, quote, responsible and law-abiding CHL holders are is completely anecdotal and therefore conjecture.” (close quote) If she’d only searched Google, she could have easily found this data. It’s public record and is made available by the TXDPS.

-Texas open carry activists were rewarded again this week for their diligent efforts. Texas Governor Greg Abbott delivered a “state of the state” address Tuesday morning in which he laid out his top priorities for the state. Open carry made the cut. Abbott stated, (quote) “Let me briefly follow up on a word I mentioned a moment ago — liberty. In a single word, it encapsulates what this country stands for, what Texas symbolizes. I will expand liberty in Texas by signing a law that makes Texas the 45th state to allow open carry.” (close quote)

-Here are two conflicting ideas.  Some studies report high rates of sexual assault.   Women’s advocates say women are at great risk on college campuses.  Contrast that claim with the fact that many college administrators want to deny women the right to carry concealed on campus.  These administrators ignore that concealed carry holders are usually 21 years of age or older.  Concealed carry holders already have a license to carry across the state, but must disarm on campus.  In this age of diversity, the student body is more diverse than ever.  We already have returning veterans and delayed entry students on campus.  College students are not the drunken idiots shown in animal house.  They never were.  Students make adult decisions without parental supervision.  Lawmakers in 10 states are pushing bills that would permit the carrying of firearms on campus.  They hope the national spotlight on sexual assault will help them win passage of their measures.  Quote “If you’ve got a person that’s raped because you wouldn’t let them carry a firearm to defend themselves, I think you’re responsible,” State Representative Dennis K. Baxley of Florida said during debate in a House subcommittee last month. The bill passed out of committee.

Bills that would allow guns on campus have been introduced in Indiana, Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas,  Florida and Nevada and Wyoming.

Rob-  I have the gun quote today, and this is one might surprise you.  “Fighting corruption is not just good governance. It’s self-defense. It’s patriotism.”  That was from vice president Joe Biden.  I wonder if he meant the New York SAFE act and San Antonio knife laws when he talked about government corruption.  Hang on everybody we have our interview segment next.

Interviews-

New Jersey Second Amendment Society- Alexander Roubian
You’ve had meetings up and down new Jersey- how were they attended?
Do you have accounts set up for the next gun owner attacked by NJ gun laws?
Christie said he doesn’t want to meet with NJ2AS.
Carry outside the home.
Clarify self-defense as justifiable need.
Stop local jurisdictions from adding additional requirement to apply for
Clarify reasonable deviation so we can go to the bathroom.

Second Amendment Women- Sandi and Shari

Your club.
Women’s education
Training and competition
Kids safety/firearms in the home.
Kids day at the range.
What do you have planned?
How can people reach you?  http://sawshootingclub.com/

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SAF training division- Richard Smith
Why a separate training organization from NRA or US CCA?
What is the focus of the training? Self-defense. (not hunting or sporting uses)
What do you offer the prospective instructor?
Tom Givins director of training
Attend instructor seminars.
Continuing education requirements.
What do you offer the prospective student?
http://www.saftd.org/
https://www.facebook.com/saftdusa
What is your timeline?
First course at the end of march.
Develop new courses for the next year and a half.  Testing curriculum.
Where do people find you?

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob- A man’s dog woke him up just at sunrise in Edmond Oklahoma.  Then the 46 year old homeowner heard someone beating on his front door.  The masked intruder smashed his way in carrying a baseball bat.  He hit the homeowner in the hand.  The homeowner ran to his kitchen and grabbed his handgun.  He shot the intruder in the face, neck and arm.  The intruder then ran across the street to his girlfriend’s apartment. She called 911, to get him medical attention.  The burglar is expected to survive.

The intruder was the homeowners former step-son.  The step-son is charged with first-degree burglary and assault with a dangerous weapon.

Rachel- Does a woman home alone stand a chance against four home intruders? She does if she has a gun. An Alabama woman refused entrance to a group of four who knocked on her door and asked to use her phone Monday afternoon. They left, but returned later that night. They forced their way inside. The homeowner pulled out her gun and fired. One invader, Richard Taylor, died of multiple gunshot wounds. The three accomplices survived, but are now being charged with Taylor’s murder. The homeowner is not expected to face charges.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Rob This note came from Ken in Arizona.  He said
This quote from Mahatma Gandhi struck me as one that’s appropriate for our gun rights.  Quote “First they ignore you. Then, they laugh at you. Then, they fight you. Then, you win.”  Close quote
Ken continues- They are currently fighting us with everything they have. We are only one step away from winning!

Thanks Ken.

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Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank our guests for joining us. We talked with Alexander Rubian from the New Jersey Second amendment society, Richard Smith from the SAF training division, Dean Weingarten from the Gun Watch blog, and Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack of Second Amendment Women. Rob, will you be with us this weekend? I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Episode 277 – Frank Fiamingo and Ebola Prepping

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday October 19, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and I think Cook County, IL is trying to create a gun registry

Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we have a discussion about gas masks and surgical masks

Gary D: so climb aboard

John: strap in

Gary H: and hang on!

Paul: Episode 277 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I spent yesterday morning at a gun auction. It was the auction of a guy’s accumulated gun collection. It was mostly hunting guns. The thing I found most interesting is what people would bid up. For example, a Chinese SKS that reputedly was a Vietnam War bring-back with no proof or documentation went for $900. I could see this with proof but otherwise it is just another Norinco SKS that should have sold for $3-400.

Paul – Not much gun related. No recent donations to our GoFundMe page to get equipment for streaming GRPC 2015, but we still have about 11 months to go. I want to say a public thank you to both John and Gary D for making contributions. Lots of planning for next year. confirmed final plans for Citizen First Response with Chaz Murray, Ken Kowalski and Jon Hodoway. Also going to have Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced and Cornered Cat classes next summer.  Add that to doing Shot Show this winter and GRPC next fall and trying to arrange going up to the great white north to do the Slam Fire Radio Charity shoot in June and it is looking to be a REALLY busy year next year.

Gary D. – I got to shoot the new guns, both very nice. Because they will eventually be PDFs I will shoot some PD ammo through them before the get put into service in that capacity. I wanted to do a quick follow up from the end of the last show. Rob and Rachel were talking about situational awareness and coincidently at around the same time I was talking to a student about exactly the same thing. This student has his permit but chooses not to carry, and I was explaining Jeff Cooper’s levels of awareness and how if we walk around in condition white we aren’t able to control the escalation of our awareness. We just get surprised by a bad guy and are thrown into condition black. If you are unfamiliar check out the link in the show notes, and be aware whether you are carrying or not.

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John –Politico is reporting that in true Rahm Emanuel fashion a group of Democrats are using the current Ebola scare to try and push for confirmation of Dr. Vivek Murthy as Surgeon General. You may recall that Murthy has been held up in the past because of his rather extreme anti-gun views. The Democrats making the most noise about this are members of the house, and since the Senate confirms appointees we don’t have a lot to worry about on this subject right now, but we will keep an eye on it.

Paul comment – a surgeon general has recently been a cheerleader with no real power and as such wouldn’t help much with Ebola, and if the position ever got real power we definitely would have issues with someone like Murthy.

Paul – Shocking as it may sound, CNN actually ran a story illustrating a young shooter in a positive light. They profiled Shyanne Roberts, age 10, of Franklinville, NJ who is a 3-Gun and USPSA competitor. Last year, she was second highest woman in the New Jersey Ruger Rimfire Challenge. Shyanne started learning the rules of gun safety at age 5 from her dad Dan and began shooting at age 6. She says, “”I want to be an inspiration to other kids and be a leader. Kids and guns don’t always mean bad things happen.”

Gary D – Cook County, IL started a gun registry and I missed it.

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Paul  -A few episodes back we mentioned that GOA hadn’t yet released their 2014 voter guide. Well it is out now. It seems to us  that it is a little late in the game for this to come out with the elections being just a few weeks out, and early voting already started in several states, but better late than never.

John – Comment – While I generally agree with the grades, it could be better organized. For example, in South Carolina which has both US Senate seats up for grabs, all the candidates are lumped together instead of by each contest.

Gary -We are mostly pro law enforcement here, and actively look for places to promote positive police stories, and it could be said that when speaking of the rank and file officers of the Asheville NC police department that that is the case here. wlos.com is reporting that 44 of the rank and file officers have signed a petition that states they believe that their chief should step down immediately. There are allegations of corruption as well as complaints about short staffing and mandatory overtime.

John – I live in the Asheville area. Chief William Anderson doesn’t take responsibility for when things go wrong. An example recently was a number of radar guns having outdated certification which led to dismissal of a number of speeding tickets. Anderson denied knowing about it which is either a failure of communication or a failure of management.

John -While the last story was about average cops doing the right thing, the next story comes right out of the you have got to be kidding me department. A 5 year old in Alabama was kicked out of class and was forced to sign a contract stating that she will tell an adult before she commits suicide or murders someone. Her offense – holding a crayon and stating “pew pew.” The girl’s mother was understandably outraged and infuriated when the 5 year old was forced to sign the contract without her parent’s knowledge or consent.

Paul comment – in most states a contract signed by someone under 18 years old is unenforceable. In a few instances the person requiring the signature can face criminal penalties.

Gary –MyFoxDC is reporting that DC police chief Cathy Lanier thinks that people who have a carry permit should be able to be arrested without warning if they are carrying in the area of a Presidential motorcade. She thinks that a policemen giving a warning and asking the person to leave the area is too large a burden. “The fact that the event is a gun-free event and is both posted and advertised should be sufficient notice,” she said. She also stated that it was difficult to provide advance notice of motorcades carrying dignitaries through city streets and said it was reasonable for gun owners in the vicinity of such events to be personally warned.

John -Miguel over at the Gun Free Zone Blog had a post this week discussing the story that South Carolina prosecutors are no longer allowing the victims of domestic violence to use the “stand your ground” defense.  Here is a quote from that post from a South Carolina prosecutor. “(The Legislature’s) intent … was to provide law-abiding citizens greater protections from external threats in the form of intruders and attackers,” prosecutor Culver Kidd told the Post and Courier. “We believe that applying the statute so that its reach into our homes and personal relationships is inconsistent with (its) wording and intent.”  So now you have a law that protects you in your home… except when it doesn’t.  Also you can defend yourself… except when you can’t.

Paul (I REALLY want to do this story) – long time listeners to the show know that I have had my issues with Robert Farago and The Truth About Guns. However the story that he posted Thursday has a lot  of people up in arms. The police chief of Watervliet NY (water FLEET) is asking for Facebook usernames AND PASSWORDS in pistol permit applications. Robert called the police department and had a conversation with Chief Ron Boisvert. The following is directly from the post

The Chief told TTAG that the sheet shouldn’t have been in the application packet – and won’t be in future. “It’s for internal use only,” he said.

Yes, well, the Chief said he uses the form to gather the applicant’s Facebook deets during a face-to-face interview. Why make note of the password? “We don’t,” he insisted. “We ask the applicant to log on to Facebook in front of us.” So the Chief scrolls through the applicant’s Facebook page searching for . . . ?

“Pages they’re looked at, friends – anything that reflects on the character of the applicant.” I pointed out that there’s a big difference [in terms of privacy] between viewing a Facebook page as a friend and viewing it as the owner. The Chief wasn’t bothered by the distinction.

When I pointed out that checking someone’s Facebook page (in front of them no less) was unnecessary, unfair and unconstitutional, the Chief said “I’m just the middleman here” and “it is what it is.” He said the information gets sent to a Superior Court judge who makes the final decision. The Facebook search is, in fact, the judiciary’s idea. I mean, requirement.

I asked the Chief what would happen if someone refused to log on to their Facebook account. “I’d just note the fact and send it to the Judges.”

Gun Quotes

Paul – We put out a post asking for gun quotes this morning on our Facebook page and we got a LOT of them. So many of them are good so we will be using them over the next several shows. Today’s quote was submitted by Kathy Jackson, (yes THAT Kathy Jackson)  “The way you get shot by a concealed weapons permit holder is you point a gun at him.” – Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright

Hang on everybody, Our interview with Frank Fiamingo is up right after this.

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Frank Fiamingo – President NJ2AS

Segment 4 DGUs

Paul – Our first DGU comes from a Montana newspaper and we just LOVE the headline: Failed fumbler fears fleeing

Quoting directly from the article

ROLLINS – It appears alleged burglar Cole J. Johnson was more afraid of the neighbor holding a loaded gun on him than he was of the four cops who showed up to arrest him.

Under the barrel of his neighbor, Johnson, 20, of Lake County, remained still, caught in the act of burglarizing a Rollins-area home in North County. But when the police arrived, Lake County Undersheriff Dan Yonkin said Johnson tried to run.

The incident started about 10 p.m., Oct. 9, when a woman called 9-1-1 to report that her husband and two sons went to her neighbor’s house with a loaded gun, interrupted an attempted burglary and were holding the suspect at gunpoint.

While three Lake County Sheriff’s deputies and a Montana Highway Patrol trooper responded to the scene, another neighbor called dispatch to report they heard gunfire. The first 911 caller suspected Johnson was highly intoxicated, according to the call.

Johnson hid in a dark place inside the house where the gun-toting neighbor could not see him, emergency dispatchers said. But the gun-toting neighbor already saw the broken window and knew he was hiding.

“Don’t move or I’ll shoot,” the neighbor said. According to Yonkin, the gun-holding neighbor was just trying to scare the failed burglar, shot a warning into the air and held him at gunpoint until cops arrived.

When officers arrived on scene they noted that Johnson was “very drunk,” and had an active warrant out for his arrest and he tried to flee when taken into custody, Yonkin said.

Johnson was cited for attempted burglary and felony criminal mischief and taken to CSKT Tribal Jail.

John -Two armed home invaders in Shawnee, Oklahoma ignored the security system sign, the motion sensors, and the alarm system when they broke into Frances and Cardell Banks’ home around 2:30am Wednesday morning. The elderly couple had lived there for 40 year. When one of the armed home invaders broke into their bedroom, pointed his shotgun at the couple, and told them to get on the floor, Mr. Banks responded “You get out of here.” He then shot the intruder in the chest. The intruder along with his accomplice then fled the house. Justin Ray Harjo, age 26,  was later found under a truck and taken to the OU Medical Center for emergency surgery. He is in the ICU is serious condition.

There is more to this story. According to Mr. Banks, he didn’t have any experience with firearms. “No! That’s my first time shooting a gun,” he said. His wife Frances said they bought the gun hoping to never need it, but now she’s glad it was there. Mr. Banks also said his gun jammed after the first shot.

Comment – The Banks were lucky.

Gary -A strange DGU came out of Lakeland Florida on Saturday. According to theledger.com Michael Thomas White trespassed on 2 properties on Saturday morning. At the second he encountered the homeowner. When she asked him to leave he brandished a 12 ½ inch double edged dagger. The homeowner then got her husband and his Mossberg 12ga shotgun.  When the husband asked him to leave White stated that his sister was a witch and had been burned at the stake on that property and therefore the property was his. He then threw the dagger, at which point the husband shot white in the arm. According to the article White started dancing around and flailing his arms, then exited the property.  He was found in a grocery store parking lot a few blocks away and was arrested and taken to the hospital with non life threatening injuries.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Jacob sent in our first email

Last podcast you all had a wonderful debate about the trainer refusing to train Muslims.  I enjoyed listening to the responses, and like so many other times when listening to intelligent debate, I could appreciate the opinions expressed, even if I didn’t always agree.  I found myself often bringing up counterpoints in my head, only to hear someone bring the very same point up on-air, which was satisfying, to say the least.  One point was not brought up, so I felt I should say something about it.

It is definitely a reality that if you soak a crucifix in urine and try and call it “art,” you’ll get a “tsk-tsk” from the Christian community, whereas if you draw an image of Muhammed with a bomb under his turban you may very well have a firebombing at your house.  That said, someone (I don’t recall who) said that while it was only an extremist minority committing violence or terrorism, the rest of the Muslim world wasn’t protesting or condemning them publicly, which makes them complicit.  This would be true, if the media chose the very condemnations we’re looking for.  I remember recently reading a pretty cool point-by-point condemnation of ISIS in an open letter from over 100 Muslim clerics.  I’ve included a link to both the text, and a news article discussing it.

http://lettertobaghdadi.com/index.php

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2014/09/24/More-100-Muslim-Clerics-Sign-Letter-Condemning-ISIS

A few gems:

“10. It is forbidden in Islam to harm or mistreat in any way Christians or any ‘People of the Scripture’”

“13. It is forbidden in Islam to force people to convert”

“16. It is forbidden in Islam to enact legal punishments (hudud) without following the correct procedures that ensure justice and mercy.”

“17. It is forbidden in Islam to torture people”

About 9/11 – On the very day of the attack (or so this article indicates), American Muslims spoke out and condemned the attacks.

http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=AM0109-335

“American Muslims utterly condemn what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.”

It happens, but it appears it gets the same coverage in the American media that is given for attempted mass shootings stopped by CCW holders.  That is to say, not very much

 

Paul – Mike in NJ wrote in a brief email stating that Ah-Ha’s Take On Me was the best music video ever made, not Robert Palmer’s Addicted to Love. I emailed him back and stated that while Take On Me was likely in the top 10 it was not even close to the best ever… Must be something in New Jersey’s water. Bad gun laws and bad taste in music’ videos.

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Greg in Bremerton emailed this in.

Paul,

Your opinion, is this worthwhile?  You can answer in an Email or cover it on your next show.

Thanks for your time.

Greg, Bremerton

http://concealedcarryloophole.com/classroom/

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John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about? – NOTHING from ME.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Paul : stay safe,

Gary D. : be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 269 – Frank Fiamingo

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday, September 14th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll discuss some updates in the Shaneen Allen prosecution with Frank Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly news and self-defense stories.
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: and strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 269 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rachel- I visited with Texas GOP Chairman Steve Munisteri at a local Republican club meeting last week and reminded him about the resolution we passed at the State Convention in June to prioritize gun legislation. Hopefully he will encourage the State Republican Executive committee to take up that issue. However, it looks like we’re going to have to wait until the December meeting for that; I attended the quarterly SREC meeting yesterday and, unfortunately, gun right legislation was nowhere on their radar.

Sometimes political activism involves high-energy, fast-action, heavily-involved intense work. This weekend was quite the opposite. On the surface, nothing was accomplished for gun rights or liberty. It was the slow, behind-the-scenes work of meeting people in positions of authority and power, networking, holding them accountable, letting them know we WILL be back, and being supportive of those who have supported us in the past. Our time is all limited, and political activism can be discouraging; I believe we must each pick what we feel is the most valuable way to use our time. For me, this past weekend, that was the SREC meeting, and I’m glad I went.

Rob- Steel shoot with two new shooters. The other three friends that were supposed to join me called in sick. I chose the slow and sure approach and had one miss out of 30 targets. That was good enough to win a pin.

Paul – Had Monday and Tuesday off for truck repairs and since I want to go to GRPC I worked Saturday. That means that we record this one on Sunday. I did get some exciting gun related stuff done this week though. I secured the range for 2 REALLY cool weekends next year. We have already released that Bob Mayne and Ben Branam are coming up to do their Beyond Concealed Carry class in May, and Just this week we finalised plans for Kathy Jackson to come back to Sioux Falls next August to to another Cornered Cat co-ed class! I have one more that I am working on that I am SUPER excited about that just isn’t ready to talk about yet. I REALLY wish that I could because it is super cool, but stay tuned I hope to be able to give out details in the near future.

Had a bit of a scare when I got to SF last night. I was backing my truck into a spot at a receiver where we do drop trailer loads. There wasn’t supposed to be anyone there, and as I drove around the building there wasn’t. As I finished my back a SUV pulls around to the back of the building (where I am backing in) and has it’s bright lights shining right at my truck. (when I back I have the driver’s side window rolled all the way down and at some points in the back I am actually sticking my head out of the window as I look back) I had no night vision now, and all I could see was these bright headlights pointing at me. I stopped the truck, set the breaks, rolled the window up and grabbed my phone. After a few minutes the SUV started rolling again and when he turned his headlights away from me I could see that it was the security patrol. Just a gentle reminder, if you are around a truck that is backing at night, even your low beams can hurt the drivers eyes if you are pointing them at the truck as he is backing up. High beams will mostly blind him and really get him paranoid.

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Episode 258 – Joe Kalil, Brandon Combs, Frank Fiamingo, John Pierce

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, August 6th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonights show we’ll talk with Joe Kalil from the organization Protect Our Students and Teachers.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have Brandon Combs with us from the Firearms Policy Coalition.
Paul We also talk with Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS about The Shaneen Allen situation, and of course we have our weekly news and stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 258 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rob- My article about Shaneen Allen was mentioned on Armed American Radio with Mark Walters.

John – Nothing new with me other than work has suddenly gotten really busy. I shouldn’t complain as busy means more money as I’m on commission.

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Rob- Police work is hard, and I hate it when the police get it wrong.  LA county deputies were looking for Cedric Ramirez.  Ramirez was wanted for parole violations.  Ramirez saw the deputies and fled.  He also shot at them.  He fled through a stranger’s home.  When one of the occupants tried to escape, the occupant was shot three times by one of the deputies.  The father of eight died at the scene.  This is the second time this year that LA county sheriffs deputies shot the wrong person in a hostage situation.

John- This law enforcement officer gets it.  The Harnett County, North Carolina sheriff expressed his concern about a recent spike in violent crime.  He asked residents to arm themselves.

Over a hundred people packed the Spring Hill United Methodist Church during a community meeting on crime.   Sheriff Larry Rollins told the crowd that the violence is fueled by gangs and drugs. “When I am out with my family, even though I am a cop, I don’t go anywhere without a gun.. I want my deputies at your house just as fast as they can when you got a problem, but you better be able to take care of business until we get there if you have to protect your family.”

Several speakers urged the residents to call deputies if they see something suspicious, and to keep a sharp eye out for themselves and their neighbors.

Paul –  A small town police chief is facing big time trouble after he pulled his gun out twice at city hall.  One time the pointed it toward a city councilman. Security video taken inside Blakesburg, Iowa City Hall shows Police Chief Bob Lewis pointing a gun toward a city councilman.  City Councilman Bill Hinshaw says, “It may have been a joke, but somebody who is in a position of authority…it’s something that never should have been done.”

Rob – You or I would be in jail for such behavior.  If we did that, we would lose our ability to own firearms removed for life and probably spend time in jail.

John – Do you remember the man arrested at the Phoenix airport for carrying an AR?    I gave him a hard time, and Rachel said we should wait and see what really happened.  The man was a political protester, and a doctor.  Yesterday he issued a long statement and here is part of it

“I consider myself a freedom activist and a responsible American citizen. I respect the rule of law.  I am an educated and responsible gun owner who has earned the legal right to have a concealed weapons permit. I have received extensive training in the safe handling of firearms as well as the substantial legal responsibilities that accompany firearms ownership. I enthusiastically support the rights of my fellow Americans to peacefully and responsibly keep and bear arms. I also strongly oppose the irresponsible use of firearms by anyone. I take my constitutional rights and the constitutional rights of all people very seriously, and I believe those rights need to be exercised and protected or they will be lost.

“I am a political activist.  My purpose in walking around the airport with my AR-15 rifle was to make the point that a peaceful citizen can openly and responsibly carry a firearm – including an AR-15 – for the protection of themselves and their community. I wanted to help educate the public and employees at the airport on this point by allowing them to observe a peaceful person responsibly carrying an AR-15 while doing things that people normally do there, like waiting and drinking a coffee.

“I chose to make this lawful political demonstration at the airport because there are few places in our society where the contrast between our liberties and their erosion is so stark. On the one side of a line on the floor, in the shopping area, we are relatively free, and can safely keep and bear arms. On the other side of that line we have the TSA, a large federal bureaucracy which completely disarms people and subjects them to gross invasions of their privacy, simply because those people want to travel somewhere.

“As I was making this political statement, I was careful not to disturb or endanger anyone.  At all times I was extremely careful to ensure my firearm was never pointed at anyone. In addition to carefully handling my firearm, the safety was engaged at all times. I have no plans to repeat this demonstration as I believe I have now made the important point that peaceful and responsible people can safely be trusted to handle firearms, even AR-15’s, even at the airport. There is never anything to fear from peaceful responsible gun owners.  That is all I have to say.”

Rob- I thought the guy was a nut.  I was wrong and Rachel was right; I should have waited to pass judgement.

John – We can still argue if the protest was effective in changing minds to our side.

Rob- The National Shooting Sports Federation is the lobbying and research group for the US firearms industry.  They recently released a report on the trends in firearms ownership.  The report shows Gun Culture 2.0 in full bloom.

48 percent of today’s first time gun buyers are women.
Women most often purchased a gun for self defense or self-sufficiency.
Most first time gun buyers are between 22 to 30 years old and live in the suburbs.
Of all first time gun buyers, 87 percent said they bought a firearm for home-defense and 76 percent for said it was for self-defense. There is obviously some overlap.
First time buyers spent about $500 on their first gun.
The most frequent purchase was a semi-automatic handgun, followed by shotguns, and then revolvers.

John- No rifles?  This must make the appleseed instructors cry.. or work harder.

John – Our neighbors to the North are working on changing their gun laws…for the better. In late July, Canada’s Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney announced that the Government planned to introduce the “Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act” which is designed to cut red tape for legal gun owners. The new rules would create one license to both own and purchase firearms, make transporting firearms around an owner’s home province less restrictive and bar provincial chief firearms officers from denying guns from citizens under the “any reasonable condition” clause.“I am impressed by the way the firearms community and law abiding citizens are abiding by the law,” Blaney told Sun News. “For these people we need to cut red tape. … The firearms community is abiding by the law, and are exemplary citizens.”

Paul- Here is a shout out to some local activists.  An anti-gun group planned a booth at the National Night Out in Arlington Heights, a suburb in Cook County, Illinois.  National Night Out is focused on crime prevention, and is an opportunity for police and other emergency personnel to mix with local residents.  The Illinois State Rifle Association planned a counter protest.  After the event organizers heard of the counter protest, the anti- gun group withdrew their application.

Tom Gresham calls this the “don’t shrug” policy.  We will lose our rights if we sit back and accept the lies told by the anti-self-defense groups.  An activists is someone who won’t shrug and say “Someone else should fix this.”  If not you, then who?  If not now, then when?

Welcome to being an activist, Brother.

Rob- This is why I’m an activist.   20-year-old Dartmouth student says she may have to give up her Ivy League dream and drop out of school because the prestigious college won’t allow her to carry a gun — to protect herself against a predator.

Taylor Woolrich said Dartmouth administrators told her they won’t let her carry a gun on campus, even though she lives in fear of a man who has been stalking her since she was a high school student in San Diego.  Campus police asked her to stop calling them for escort service as she moves about the campus after dark.  Now she confines herself to her dorm.  She took out a restraining order. Her stalker was recently arrested after he came to her home in San Diego.

John- The stalker is 67 years old.

John- Speaking of anti-gun-groups.. you may have heard of “Nevadans for Background Checks”. The group is pushing to get a ballot measure on the Nevada ballot that would mandate background checks for private firearms sales.  With a name like that you’d think such a group was a home-grown, grassroots effort to bring more gun control to the desert. And you would be wrong. It is another astroturf effort by the Bloomberg financed Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors. Author David Codrea did some excellent sleuthing on the group, and its ties to Bloomberg are solid. For example, the PAC registration form filed with the Nevada Sec. of State’s office lists one Tara Paone as President. Ms. Paone is one busy woman as she is also the Treasurer for Everytown as well as the Director of a similar effort in Washington State. This is just another example of how instead of being a bottom’s up movement, gun control is a top-down effort by “our betters” to put their stamp on our lives and rights.

Rob – Who knew that Bloomberg money is the fertilizer of to grow Astroturf.

John – Finally, a couple of items from Missouri – one bad and the other good. Listeners may remember that in Episode 255 we reported on the efforts by Mayor Sly James to ban open carry within the city limits of Kansas City. Last Thursday, the KC City Council voted 9-0 to officially ban open carry within its city limits. This ban may be short-lived as the MO Legislature will meet in September to decide whether to override Gov. Jay Nixon’s veto of a bill that would have prohibited KC’s actions.

Paul- Now for the good. Yesterday, voters in the Missouri voted by a 2-1 margin to approve Amendment 5 which declared that the right to keep and bear arms is an “unalienable right” and that state government if obligated to uphold it. The fair ballot language that accompanied the ballot said: A “yes” vote will amend the Missouri Constitution to expand the right to keep and bear arms to include ammunition and related accessories for such arms. This amendment also removes the language that states the right to keep and bear arms does not justify the wearing of concealed weapons.” Approval of the measure led Bloomberg’s Moms to say that it was “a gun lobby-backed proposal that could gravely undermine public safety.”

Rob- I guess if you are an astroturf organization you wouldn’t know real grassroots action even if it bit you. And congratulations to the people of the Show Me State for standing up for their gun rights.

John – The amendment also mandates strict scrutiny.

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

John Pierce- http://johnpierceesq.com  NFA lawyer.  Could DC impose an anti-gun carry permit system and remain within the judge’s ruling?

Politicians spoke publicly for a restrictive policy.  Not as restrictive a Maryland’s policy.

Brandon Combs- Tell us about the Firearms Policy Coalition.  What is going on in California anti-gun legislation?  AB 1014, SB 808, SB 53, SB 580

How do we find out more?  www.demandrights.org

Frank Fiamingo- Apply national attention to New Jersey Governor Chris Christie for the unjust prosecution of Shaneen Allen.  Look for Frank on Kenn Blanchard’s Black Man With a Gun, Tom Gresham on GunTalk, and Mark Walters at Armed American Radio.  Go to NJ2AS.com and click on Shaneen’s picture.  Also, call Governor Christie at 609-292-6000.

Joe Kalil from Protect our Students and Teachers.

Segment 4 DGUs

Paul- Burglars will often return to a house they’ve robbed and try to rob it again.   A home in Stanton, Delaware was vacant and being repaired.  Neighbors said it had been broken into, and taken over for parties.  The female homeowner and her son arrived at 6 AM Tuesday morning and found someone inside her home.  The intruder fought with the homeowner.  Fortunately, the homeowner was armed.  She shot the assailant once in the lower body, and the assailant fled.  Police found him in a near by trailer park.  He was captured and is awaiting charges.

One neighbor said “It’s awesome. If someone was going to break into my house I’d want to do the same thing. You’ve got to protect yourself.”

Rob- A Norristown, Pennsylvania resident was awakened at 1:30 AM as 22 year old Daryl Marquis Evans was pounding on his door.  The homeowner brought his gun with him as he answered.  As the door opened, Evans pointed his gun at the homeowner and and started making demand.  The homeowner fired six times, striking Evans in the chest, pelvis and leg.  Evans fired once, but the homeowner was not reported as injured.  Evans died at the scene.  Evans was a convicted felon and was wanted on outstanding warrants for drugs and robbery in Montgomery County at the time of the shooting. The DA said he would not file charges against the homeowner.

John- Three men came to a home in Wellington, Florida seeking the homeowner’s son.  The homeowner met them and they argued.  One of the men presented a knife and threatened the homeowner with it.  The homeowner presented his firearm and shot the assailant.  The three men fled to Palms West Hospital, one of them with a non-life-threatening gunshot wound.  They were taken into custody and the wounded suspect was then taken to St. Mary’s Hospital.  Criminal charges are pending against all three of the suspects.

Rob- Who is going to say it?

Paul- I will.  Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

Paul- It was late morning when four masked men tried to rob a Baltimore, Maryland business at gunpoint.  The business owner drew his own gun and shot one of the robbers in the leg.  All four fled and police recovered the handgun that did not belong to the business owner.  None of the customers or store employees were hurt.

Rob Comments- more than one assailant.  bad shot placement.  we don’t know if the business owner had the firearm on him or had to retrieve it from under the counter.

Rob- Don’t mess with these brothers.  They both operate bodegas in New Haven, Connecticut.  One store was robbed by a gunman carrying a rifle.  While the police were at the first store, the store owner got a call from his brother saying he had been robbed as well, only this time the store owner defended himself.  The police rushed to the second store.  An ambulance transported the thief to Yale-New Haven hospital where he was pronounced dead.

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Email from TJ:

Hi Paul,

You seem to be a very religious man, but you also seem to be a very respectful and logical man, so I feel asking you this should get an explanation, other than pure feelings and emotion. If you chose not to address it, I respect your decision.

In the Declaration of Independence, it’s stated that all men “are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”, but, as an atheist, my question is this: Who endows me my unalienable rights? I know we hear the argument of “God-given rights”, but what about the rest of us that don’t believe?

Religion seems to go hand-in-hand with a lot of gun owners’ ideals, but I guess I am in some sort of gray area in my political beliefs. That’s why I think the two-party system is nuts. You can’t just lump people into two perfect, cookie-cutter categories.

Thank you Paul,

TJ Gauthier
Paul- Comment-
Rob- Comment- You are endowed with rights by your nature. You are endowed with rights because of of the type of creature you are.
John – Even though the Declaration referred to god given rights, I think philosophers refer to them as natural law and natural rights.

The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
John: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 250 – Kathy Jackson and Frank Fiamingo

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday July 5th 2014 I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with author and instructor Kathy Jackson as well as Frank Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society.
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we have our weekly self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 250 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- Dry practice with my SIRT pistol and handgun on Independence day.

John – We had family in town from Missouri yesterday and we all enjoyed the various displays of fireworks. They also brought me a T-Shirt from the MO Univ of Sci & Tech where my nephew is think of attending. The shirt said, “My mascot carries a gun” on the front and “Does Yours?” on the back. The school’s mascot is an old miner with a six-gun on his hip. I love it!

Paul – We have brought up our dog Dakota several times on the show. This week she left us. On the day she left us Dakota was 14 ½ years old exactly. Is seems to me that one of the cruel tricks that is played on us by God, or Mother nature, or whomever you believe in is that while humans have a lifespan that lasts 75 years or so our companions have life spans that are about ⅕ of that. I got home this morning and we got a call from the Veterinarian’s office saying that her ashes were back, and we brought her home.

Those that have had a 4 legged family member know the pain that Susan and I are going through. Dakota came to be a part of our family when she was 6 month’s old. She had been abused by her prior owner, and it took a lot of work for her to trust men, but after several months and a ton of love she finally trusted me and eventually she became comfortable around all adult males.
Like any canine family member Dakota took it on herself to be the family’s guardian, confidant, and occasionally troublemaker. She gave so much and all she ever wanted or expected in return was our love and attention. Those 2 things we poured on her. She was always our “Puppy” and “our baby girl” If you ever want to know what unconditional love is just get a pet like our little puppy. It didn’t matter what kind of day you were having, or if something wasn’t going right, or if she wasn’t feeling the best, we were the very focus of her entire existence always.

I posted that we lost Dakota on facebook Tuesday stating something to the effect that if I earned a spot in heaven and our Dakota was not there I would move along and find her because if she wasn’t good enough for heaven than I definitely had no place there. Thank you to everyone who replied offering kind words. There are 2 that I would like to bring up specifically. First Ben Cook said “If my animal friends are not in heaven, I’ll be sure to leave a trail to where I find them so that you can find us all there

Second there were several references to a poem called the rainbow bridge. If you all would indulge me I would like to read this short poem

Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.

When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge.
There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together.
There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by.
The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. Her bright eyes are intent; Her eager body quivers. Suddenly she begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, her legs carrying her faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross the Rainbow Bridge together….

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John 1- Gun-rights advocates won another victory in Chicago.  A judge approved almost a million dollars in legal fees that the city must pay to attorneys who challenged Chicago’s gun store ban.  The original lawsuit was filed in 2010 by an Illinois offshoot of the National Shooting Sports Foundation.  That battle isn’t over.  Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, anticipates a legal challenge to the city’s new rules regulating gun stores out of 99.5 percent of the city.  He said, “The ordinance is prohibitive.  If you look at the hidden costs of opening a gun store, I don’t know how a person could make a living selling firearms in the city of Chicago.”

Rob 2- There was another victory for the right to choose armed self-defense.  A Florida appellate court ruled that college and university campuses must allow students to store firearms in their cars on campus.  This allows adult students to attend school and remain armed when they work those late night jobs.  Contrary to the public claims of school administrators, negligent discharges remain extremely rare.  This is another small step toward self-protection in Florida.

John 3- A Kansas open carry bill went into effect on Tuesday.  It is now legal to openly carry a gun in a holster, in your hand, or carry a rifle on a sling.  Captain Rance Quinn of the Kansas City Police Department said they will still respond to calls of man with a gun, but the department will change how they handle the encounter.  Quote “…How are you doing today. I see that you are exercising your right to bear firearms. Is there anything I can do for you today?”

Rob Comment- Why yes, officer.  May I buy you a cup of coffee while we talk about your department sponsoring more firearms training for the general public?

Rob 4- The attention seeking anti-gun Virginia State Delegate, Joe Morrissey, once carried an AK-47 onto the Virginia statehouse floor.  Now he faces criminal charges for having sex with the 17-year-old receptionist in his office.  A special grand jury charged the Virginia politician with supervisory indecent liberties with a minor, electronic solicitation of a minor, possession of child pornography, distribution of child pornography and contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

Comment- He was only following Bill Clinton’s example.

John – This is the same Joe Morrissey who as the State’s Atty for Richmond was disbarred for among other things, fist fights in the courtroom. Why is that anti-gun activists are so violent?

John 5- Here is a good example from law enforcement, and from a small police department at that.  Police Chief Michael Combs found out there were no firearms safety courses offered in the county, so  Chief Combs decided to offer his own course.  The department will host a classroom and firing range sessions at the Goodwill Fire Company on July 19th.  Pennsylvania is a shall-issue state and there are no training requirement for ownership or a carry license.  I think the Chief’s decision makes citizens safer!

Rob Comment- Thank you, Chief Combs.

Rob 6- Some gun-grabbing activist groups tell you that real women want to be helpless.  Not me.  I’ll remind you that the number of women who own guns has been rising rapidly.  The percentage of women who own a gun nearly doubled from 2005 to 2011.  Those guns are not gathering dust.  A growing number of women are at the range and taking classes.  Women are on the cutting edge of self-defense.  I offer as example of the students I see and the students of our frequent guest Kathy Jackson.

Rob- There is a list of women’s gun groups on my blog site Everytown for Gun Safety.wordpress.com

John 7- We’re not sure if it was on purpose or an accident.  On the first of July, a poorly written law in Mississippi exempted disabled military veterans from paying some hunting and registration fees.  Unfortunately, the law it required veteran submit to a disability review by the Veterans Administration.  Many veterans will decline that opportunity, thank you.  The bill also required non-veterans to submit to a mental health exam at the will of the Mississippi state police.  It isn’t clear how the bill will be implemented by law enforcement.  Gun owners need a strong state organization that takes a critical look at legislation.  This legislation may have taken Mississippi back to “may issue” status.

Paul 8- This probably wasn’t the answer they were looking for.  The MSNBC network conducted a poll asking, “Do you think people should be allowed to carry guns in public?” 84 thousand people answered.  88% chose “Yes! The Second Amendment guarantees the right to carry in pubic.  Another 4% chose “Only for self-defense.” and 8 percent said carrying a gun is too dangerous.

John Comment- I didn’t know MSNBC had 84 thousand viewers.

John 9- Because of changes in the Georgia gun laws, churches in Georgia now have an opt-in or opt-out policy towards concealed carry while at church.  An Episcopal bishop in Georgia said he will forbid concealed carry in church.  Other congregations have accepted concealed carry. Pastor Tom Rush said, “Quite frankly, we may have some people in our church that are uncomfortable with the idea… You know, I grew up in a day when we left the sanctuary doors open so people could come in at any time and pray. Unfortunately, we don’t live in those days anymore.”

This is part of a larger social trend of our culture splitting into isolated tribes.  Honest gun owners have had to choose which stores to enter based on the store’s no-guns policy.  Now that decision includes churches as well.

Rob- This issue isn’t confined to Georgia.  I live in California.  Last year a nearby church took an anti-self-defense petition to a city council.  The church’s public statements sounded inclusive, but their claims were wildly inaccurate.  I asked to speak with the church committee but they ignored me and never returned my calls.

Rob 10- In California, Assembly bill 1014 remains in committee.  The bill creates a new law aimed directly at California gun owners.  The bill requires police to proactively confiscate firearms and hold them for one year with no due process based solely on an accusation made by an immediate family member, a law enforcement officer or any health professional.

The person filing the complaint only has to believe quote “the gun owner poses a significant risk of personal injury to himself, herself, or another by having under his or her custody and control, owning, purchasing, possessing, or receiving a firearm.”  close quote.  One anti-gun doctor could declare all California gun owners mentally unfit.

John Comment- so will every vindictive divorce lawyer.

Rob Comment- We commented last week on California’s failing grades for mental health treatment.  They aren’t doing any better this week.

Paul Gun Quotes- The American Revolution was a beginning, not a consummation, said by President Woodrow Wilson.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Seg 3 Interview with Kathy Jackson and Frank Fiamingo

Questions for Frank
Frank, earlier this week Governor Christie vetoed the magazine capacity bill that was on his desk, could you talk a little bit about that?

Are there any other bills related to gun rights that are still on his desk?
Why are gun owners blamed for violence?
Politicians want a soundbite solution.

What else is going on with the NJ2AS?

Questions for Kathy

Thanks for coming on Kathy, It’s been a while since we were able to have you on for a long form interview and I am so happy that we found a hole in your schedule so that you could join us tonight! I would like to discuss a few of the more recent blog posts. The first one that I would really like to cover is one you titled “Strength and Weakness” where you talk about a the recent Miss USA pageant winner and her take on self defense, in reference to a Larry Correa post. Could you talk a little bit about that?

Another post that I really liked was one of your shorter posts from late May entitled “He Didn’t Deserve That” One unfortunate side effect of our society is that everyone seems to be suing for everything. I thought that this post was quite illuminating in that it seems to have spread to some sectors of public opinion. Could you talk a little bit about that post?

Rob- Kathy, in one of your posts you said You’re never disarmed. “Your ultimate resource for self-defense are the things you carry inside yourself.” Would you tell our listeners more about that?

Guns and alcohol?

Normalcy bias- When someone chokes we want permission to help.
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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob 1- Two young men walked into Marlene’s jewelry store in Fresno, California.  The two men looked at the display cases and slowly moved towards the cash register in the back of the store.  That is where one of the thieves pulled out a gun and pointed it at one of the store employees while demanding cash and jewelry.  Seconds later, the store owner pointed his shotgun around the corner from the back room of the store.  The unarmed thief yelled “shoot them” as he dropped and ran towards the door, but the armed thief turned and followed his cowardly compatriot.  Both young thieves were caught on video and are very lucky to be alive.

Paul 2- Thieves tried to steal a vehicle parked in front of a home in Wasilla, Alaska.  When that failed, they tried to force their way inside the home through the kitchen door.  The 65-year-old homeowner called 911 and then fired a single shot.  She missed, but the criminals turned and ran.  They were long gone by the time state troopers arrived.

Citizens are the first responders, either as witnesses or as victims.

John – comment – if the homeowner was a few years older, I might have guessed it was my first cousin Ginny who lives in Wasilla!

John 3- This man is my hero.  A Centralia, Washington man and his girlfriend were sitting in their living room when a homeless 43-year-old stranger entered their home armed with a knife.  The homeowner grabbed his shotgun and ordered the intruder out of the house. They both walked outside, but instead of leaving, the intruder pushed the homeowner down a flight of stairs on the back porch. The intruder then grabbed a machete sitting on the porch and approached the homeowner.  Rather than shooting his attacker, the homeowner hit him with the butt of his shotgun, putting him on the ground and holding him there until the police arrived.  The homeowner preserved the life of a drug addled man.  Sheriff Steve Mansfield said. “This is another example of why citizens need to take all possible precautions and be prepared if something like this occurs.”

Do you have that much restraint after getting pushed down the stairs?

Rob 4- Well your hero has some competition.   My hero is Orlandous Brown who suffers from cerebral palsy and needs a wheelchair.  Orlandous came home Thursday morning in the company of his friend Latisha Vernon and Latisha’s 17-year-old daughter.  That is when he discovered that someone was already inside his Easly, South Carolina home and was robbing the place.  The thief was armed, but so was Orlandous.  Latisha and her daughter fled the home and called 911.  Deputies moved the women a safe distance away, and entered the home a few minutes later.  They found 33 year old Orlandous wounded from a single round and they also found the intruder, 26-year-old Darin Lowe, dead from multiple gunshot wounds.

Orlandous was transported by ambulance to the local hospital where he underwent surgery and is expected to make a full recovery. Police believe Orlandous may have been targeted because he is disabled and the dead intruder thought he was an easy target.

Comment- The thief thought wrong.

Paul 5- There is no way and no reason to pretty this up.  Gun control kills.  Two armed teenagers shot a couple as they walked on the sidewalk of Newark, New Jersey.  The murderers told the couple to kneel.  They shot 17-year-old Cheyanne Bond in the head execution style.  Her boyfriend survived.  The money Bond’s family had set aside for the teenager’s tuition at nursing school will go toward her funeral.  The crime rate in New Jersey has exploded since gun-prohibition was enacted in the late 1960s.  Now, long time politician and anti-gun Newark Mayor Ras Baraka has the murder rate he worked for.

New Jersey murder rate

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 249 – Jim Irvine and Molly Pitcher

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on wednesday, July 2nd, 2014, I’m Rachel Malone.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we have an interview with Jim Irvine of Buckeye Firearms talking about training school staff to protect our children.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and have an interview with Molly Pitcher of CATI-Austin talking about the upcoming Gunpowder and Lace ladies open carry walk.
Rachel, we have our usual weekly news and stories of defensive gun use, as well as Mary Ann Schow talking about gun games for our tips and tricks segment, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Rachel: Episode 249 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Rob- Dry practice and wondering about new training techniques.

John- Still waiting for a SIRT pistol coming out in M&P since I’m not a Glock fanboi.

Rachel- Gave a presentation along with a local CATI leader for TAG (Texans for Accountable Government). We talked about gun legislation in Texas – why it failed, good outcomes from that, and what we need from activists to get stuff done next spring in the legislative session. I like the way TAG functions – they encourage their members to take charge in their area of interest and provide support by facilitating communication to other activists who can help out.

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News_Partner_whiteRob- To open the news we have a rant from Rachel Malone. This one is about the heart of leadership, so let us know what is on your mind, Miss Malone.
Rachel-

I was asked the other day, “How many people do you have who would blindly follow you?”

My response: “Nobody, I hope.”

I don’t want people to follow me. Now, that might sound strange. I AM the leader of a gun rights organization, am I not? Aren’t I supposed to be leading the way? Why on earth would I NOT want people to follow me?!

I’ve got three reasons.

#1 – I’m not going to do your work for you.

The responsibility of running this country and holding elected officials accountable belongs to We the People. Last time I checked, I wasn’t a plural entity. I’m one person, and I’m responsible for myself. You’re another person, and you’re responsible for yourself. Get out there and do what you’re supposed to do.

Even though I am the director of a gun rights organization here in Texas – I want all you Texans out there to know, I’m not going to lobby for you. I’m going to lobby for myself. I’ll teach you how to lobby, I’ll teach you how to be involved, but I won’t do your work for you. Get out there and do the job yourselves!

Even if I wanted to be nice and do your work for you….

#2 – I’m not always right.

As hard as I work to research thoroughly and get my facts straight and present 100% correct information, I’m still very human. I’m going to mess up sometimes. It’s happened before, and it will certainly happen again. I’ll be responsible for my own mistakes, but please don’t try to make me responsible for yours.

Also, I may simply hold to a slightly different position than you on some things. So, perhaps our beliefs line up perfectly in most things but diverge in 10%. You’d be wrong to just blindly follow because you’d be violating your conscience in that 10%.

Even if I were always right and you knew you would always agree with me…

#3 – I want you to think for yourself.

If you end up following me, that’s great, but it has to be because you took time to consider the issue, look at the facts, and come to your own strong conviction that just happened to match up with mine.

A large part of what I’ve done with Texas Firearms Freedom is to take the time to do extensive research on an issue or on a piece of legislation, and then give people pertinent information on that bill. I DO give them my own conclusions and suggested action items as a convenience for them, but I always try to avoid pressuring people to just fall in line and do what I say.

My hope is that I can persuade people with logical arguments and facts, so that they take up my position with strong conviction. I don’t want passive agreement. I would rather have people believe what they believe with strong conviction whether they agree or disagree with me.

A person will fight for a belief with the same strength he believes it. So if you reach your conclusion by examining the facts and thinking for yourself, I think you’ll fight for it more strongly. You’ll have more reason to do so and more conviction that you’re right. You’ll be fighting for what YOU believe in. And THAT is what I want.

CONCLUSION:
I don’t want to have people blindly follow me. I want people to think for themselves and reach their own conclusions and chart their own courses to complete their own missions. I want to help them understand the process of effecting change so they can achieve their goals. Sure, I’ll tell them what I think and try to be persuasive, but at the end of the day, I don’t want them to agree with me just because I said something and they follow me. If they agree, I want it to be because they believe strongly the same things that I do, and they have reached those conclusions themselves.

Beware of anyone who asks you to blindly follow. Be very wary of any organization that sends you an action item without any explanation. Be extremely cautious and ready to cut ties with anyone who tries to get you to quit thinking and just do what they want you to do. That’s not their place. It makes your job a little bit easier right now, but it’s a cop out. Quit copping out. Do your own thinking.

I should also note that I consciously operate in the same way. You can’t buy my vote or agreement just because you’re my friend or you voted with me or helped me with some project. I won’t decide to agree with you as a favor to you, or because I “owe you one.” I’m not just going to follow you blindly no matter who you are and how much I like you as a person (and, I’m not going to refuse to work with you no matter how much I dislike you). No, you have to earn my vote or agreement. You have to persuade me. You have to show me that you’re right and convince me of the reasons. Do that, and you earn my support.

And I hope, for at least some of you, I will help you to think through issues and convince you of my position and earn your support. But please – make me EARN it. Don’t ever blindly follow me.

-Comments? Thoughts?

Rob- Rachel, that is why we give our listener news and DGU, so they can make up their own mind.

John- Hear-hear

1- John – Let’s start off with good news. Thanks to your efforts, Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) has listened to us. He vetoed the bill, A2006/S993, which would have banned possession of magazines with greater than 10 round capacity. Christie said in his veto message that the bill was one of those “cheaply recycled answers that never really address the root causes” of violence”.  He goes on to say, “These advocates argue that forcing an unstable, untreated, and likely clinically ill shooter to pause to reload during a rampage will humanely spare lives. This is the very embodiment of reform in name only. “ ANJRPC Executive Director Scott Bach said, “The Governor clearly recognizes the difference between legislation that punishes violent criminals vs. legislation that targets the rights of law-abiding citizens.”

Rob 2 -It wasn’t a quiet weekend in the windy city or the big apple.  21 people were shot in New York city and 42 people shot in Chicago over the weekend.  Both cities are the epitome of gun control and big government.  Both your big gulp and your magazine capacity are regulated and registered, but the violent crimes just keep on coming.  Strange, but the city government hasn’t learned that over-regulating the honest people hasn’t controlled the behavior of criminals at all.

Rachel- Maybe their gun free zone sign is broken, and no one told them?
John- I don’t think they want to learn.
Rachel- I don’t think they care. Regulation is the goal, not the means.
Rob- I think you’re right.

Rachel- Here is more news from Chicago.  Richard Hernandez was supposed to stop gang violence as a paid “interrupter” in the anti-gang CeaseFire program.  Now Chicago cops have another name for Hernandez. They call him a rapist.  Hernandez faces 36 counts of sexual assault and kidnapping of a teenage girl while he worked for the anti-violence program.  Hernandez is one of  nine employees of the CeaseFire who faced serious criminal charges in recent years.  Their convictions included illegal weapons possession and drug charges.

John 4- Outside the corrupt city of Chicago, Illinois now has over 60 thousand licensed concealed carry holders since the state started accepting application in January.  Firearms sales often slump during the summer as people get busy, but sales of handguns and the request for training and licensing courses have continued to grow.

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Rob- 5 As part of the American Civil Liberties Union’s recent report on police militarization, the Massachusetts chapter of the organization sent open records requests to SWAT teams across that state. They received a very interesting answer.  Small police department pool their resources and share a SWAT team.  The teams are operated by law enforcement councils, or LECs. These LECs are funded by several police agencies in a given geographic area and overseen by an executive board, which is usually made up of police chiefs from member police departments.  The LECs also facilitate technology and information sharing and oversee other specialized units, such as crime scene investigators and computer crime specialists.

This is the interesting part, the SWAT teams said they do not have to respond to freedom of information requests because they are not a state agency.  On the one hand, they claim that corporate status exempts them from open-records laws. On the other, they still claim the privilege of using deadly force on behalf of the state, and their evidence is admissable as a law enforcement officer.  I think someone has something to hide and needed better legal advice.

6 John – The California Legislature has now passed AB 1964 and sent it to Gov. Jerry Brown. The bill would eliminate the single-shot exemption to the Cal Handgun Roster. Only handguns originally made as single shots would be exempted. A firearm that was converted would have to be on the roster or it would be outlawed for sale. The Firearms Policy Coalition has an page up urging Gov. Brown to veto the bill. Links are in the show notes. They are also asking people to make their voice heard on SB 53 which would ban online sales of ammo in California (among other things). A link for that is up as well.

Rachel 7- Will the last manufacturer to leave the blue states please turn out the lights.  PTR left Connecticut and gave a commemorative rifle to the Governor of its new home in South Carolina.  Remington moved some of its production lines from New York to Alabama.  Sturm Ruger & Co Inc is building a 220,000-square-foot building in North Carolina. Colt which is also headquartered in Connecticut, moved its shop to Texas at the end of 2013.  Beretta abandoned Maryland and moved to Tennessee shortly after Maryland lawmakers banned assault weapons’ sales.  The reasons are simple.  These companies moved because of laws, costs and people.  They found more of what they wanted in other states.

John – comment – I hope to visit the PTR factory in a couple of weeks when we vacation at Myrtle Beach. Maybe I’ll come back with an interview.

Rob- They don’t build airplanes in California any more, and they don’t build cars in detroit any longer.

John 8- If you felt a bump in the night, it was a wave of freedom felt on July 1 as several states recognized more rights of self defense.  In Georgia, the guns everywhere bill went into effect with 12 new pro-defense provisions in state law.  Even purple Virginia had seven new pro hunting provisions take effect.  Mississippi had three bills become law that limit local pre-emption, exempts disabled veterans from paying hunting license fees, and created a tax holiday for hunting and fishing equipment.  A Tennessee bill will allow a gun owner to carry his firearm in his car without a permit while a second Tennessee bill makes it illegal to harass hunters and fishermen with drones.  Blue state Maryland allowed Sunday hunting, expanded hunting season, and instituted special classes to teach hunters to cull the overpopulation of deer in some Maryland counties.

Rob 9-Ahh, smell the freedom.. except in Los Angeles, California.  There the stupid is still strong.  The LA City Council proposed a 10 round magazine capacity ban.  That would make possessing large-capacity magazines a misdemeanor.  It would eliminate any grandfather exemption and demand standard capacity magazines be surrendered in 60 days.  There are of course exceptions for law enforcement and museum collections.  None of these new laws would have stopped the latest killer in Santa Barbara.

John Comment-  Somehow the criminals will ignore our 23 thousand gun laws, but obey this one.

Rob Comment- The stupid is everywhere in LA.

Rachel 10- Last episode we reported on the Federal district judge who denied the appeal of Colorado sheriffs to rescind the new Colorado gun restrictions.

Rob- Comment- Is this the same judge who took data from before the background check law went into effect to show that people didn’t use background checks?

Rachel – Yep, that is the judge.  Well the sheriffs have decided to appeal her ruling.

Weld County Sheriff John Cooke said,  “These laws are unconstitutional and unenforceable due to the way they are written.”

Rob- John and I met Sheriff Cooke.  I remember him.

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11 John- The Bloomberg funded group “Moms demand action” was asked to leave a Target department store in San Antonio, Texas.  The group demand that Target refuse service to licensed concealed carry holders.  The daughter of one of the protesters was murdered in a gun free zone.. so they want to turn all Target stores into gun-free zones.

Rob- What?  I can imagine this in Dallas, but Austin.

12 John – Unfortunately, Target has now issued a “Starbucks” type of statement regarding the carry of firearms in their stores. They say, “But starting today we will also respectfully request that guests not bring firearms to Target – even in communities where it is permitted by law.” I take this to mean that while they won’t post their stores, they want their stores to be unofficially gun-free zones. While Everyday Moms for Illegal Mayors is claiming victory, a spokewoman for Target clarified that “It is not a ban,” she said. “There is no prohibition.” Nonetheless, it is a PR win for the anti’s.

Rachel- There is stupid even in Texas, but not much.

Rob 13- Really, Rachel, then explain this.  Dallas County has an agreement with a private gun range to accept the firearms taken from people charged with domestic abuse or the subject of a protective order.  Jan Langbein, CEO of Genesis Women’s Shelter said, “Imagine how much better victims would sleep at night knowing all the guns had been removed.”  I say, “Imagine how helpless the victims will feel if their abuser drops a dime on them and has the victim disarmed by the cops.”

John- My lawyer can beat up your lawyer.

Rob- Exactly.

Rachel- Comment- Are you guys picking on Texas?

Rob- I know restraining orders are fairly common in divorce cases, but I’ve never found an example of someone charged for making false claims of domestic abuse.  The liars are simply never prosecuted.

Rachel 14-  There  is no workable definition of an assault rifle, yet many anti-gun politicians use exactly that pejorative term Assault Rifle to ban modern sporting rifles.  Well Ares Defense has come up with an AR-15 configuration that going to frustrate the gun grabbers.  It doesn’t have a flash suppressor or bayonet lug.  It has a conventional stock, yet it uses stock AR uppers.  It operates like an AR.  Eats ammo like an AR, and it shoots like an AR, but it looks just like any other semi-automatic hunting rifle.

Comment- A few pounds of freedom coming to an over-regulated gun-banning jurisdiction near you.

John15-More cops are doing it right.  The Paragould, Arkansas Police Department trained citizens  to carry concealed.  The one-day class covered the laws surrounding handguns and how to properly handle, fire and care for them. Students then went to the range with instructors for a live-fire practice session.  One instructor said the class is important because it also teaches students how to avoid becoming a victim. “Not just teaching them the specifics about carry and conceal, where you can carry, where you can’t carry, but give them information that they can use in their daily lives.  Be aware of your surroundings and reduce the chances, of having to use that concealed handgun to defend themselves or a loved one.”  Classes are available each month until October.  This is the department’s nineteenth year teaching the class.

Rob, I read about some other departments doing this.  Good for them.

John – Kathi Jackson will join us on Saturday night.

Rob Gun Quotes

A gun is no more dangerous than a cricket bat in the hands of a madman. Prince Philip

Rachel-Coming right up, we have an interview with Molly Pitcher of CATI-Austin regarding an upcoming special event, as well as an interview with Jim Irvine of Buckeye Firearms, so stay tuned.

The Gunpowder and Lace Walk sponsored by CATI Austin will be held Saturday, July 12, 10:30 AM at the Capitol Visitors Parking Garage (12th st. and San Jacinto). Participants will meet on the corner for a safety briefing and then walk down Congress Ave. to 6th Street. Ladies, bring your black powder pistols and/or long guns. Chamber checks will be conducted as always to ensure safety (no round in the chamber for long guns). Long guns should be carried on a sling in a way that keeps the muzzle in a safe direction at all times.  More Info.  Facebook event page.  CATI TX page

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this interview with Jim Irvine of Buckeye Firearms.

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Rachel 1- It is good to have friends with guns in Pennsylvania.  Christopher Vazques and an associate robbed a 60 year old man in front of the victim’s house, taking his valuables and keys.  The victim recognized them and called police.  Because his keys were taken, the victim stayed outside to protect his car.  The thieves came back to take the car and they began beating the victim when he said he’d reported the earlier crime to police.  Moments later a neighbor yelled for the two men to stop beating the victim.  The neighbor fired one shot, striking Vazquez in the chest.  The criminal died at the hospital.  The shooter was taken into custody and released without charges.

Rob- Police were called to the Step-N-Style in Dayton Ohio before noon.  Two armed and masked men entered the store and demanded cash.  The store had been robbed before, only this time the store owner was armed.  He shot one of the armed robbers, and his accomplice fled.  Police later identified the dead criminal as 16 year old Isiah Haggins, Jr.

He lived with his grandmother, and the family was surprized by his armed criminal behavior.

Very few criminals start with armed robbery.  The start with stealing property, then burglary, then, finally muggings and armed robbery.  Maybe this young man was different, but for most criminals committing armed robbery, it isn’t their first crime.

John – The manager of La Bodega Mexican restaurant was happy that an off-duty Midland (Texas) Police detective was eating in his restaurant this past Friday night. That is because Nyocomus Garnett, 35, entered the restaurant through its backdoor intent on committing armed robbery. After Garnett fired several shots in the kitchen, he exited into the restaurant where he was met by the off-duty detective who told him to drop his handgun. Garnett refused and then tried to shoot the detective. That is when the detective shot and killed Garnett. No patrons or restaurant staff were injured in the robbery attempt. Police say that Garnett had an “extensive history” with Midland law enforcement.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Rachel- From listener Chris Gillespie
I was a local store purchasing a monthly gun magazine. I reached the check out counter and the clerk asked if I concealed carry. I was thrown off guard by this question. I said “lets hope we never have to find out if I do.” How would you guys have answered that question?
Comments- Rachel? John? Rob?

Rob: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rachel John, do you have any new posts from your Blog, No Lawyers, only guns and money you want to mention?

John: I do. I did a post Monday about the story we discussed a bit earlier. It was about the Target store in San Antonio that ushered the gun control protesters off their property. The organizer made a comment that stuck me with me. She said they were “armed with children and clipboards.” The UN and all responsible and moral people have condemned the use of children as soldiers. While qualitatively different than the warlords in the Congo and elsewhere, it is still using innocent children as tools and props in a war against gun rights.

Rob- Well said, John Richardson.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 238 – Memorial Day and Frank Fiamingo

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Paul- Memorial day
Paul- mag 40 and the bucket list

John- I’m wearing my CalGuns Tee in honor of their latest lawsuit against Kamala Harris. I’d like to also like to remember those who have died in the service of our country. Without their sacrifice – and that of their families – we wouldn’t be the nation that we are.

Rachel- Last weekend, I visited the Silencer Shop here in Austin along with a friend who was picking up a suppressor he’s been waiting for five or six months. This week, a friend suggested I take a stress-relieving trip to the range (brilliant) – but the best I’ve been able to do is to wear my T-shirt that says “Bullets Make Me Happy” and dream about shooting cool guns.

Rob- I’m now an NRA pistol instructor. That was a long 2 day course, but it definitely changed my attitude. I took the course so I would be consistent and teach my friends. I changed my mind because I don’t want to be an average instructor even if I only teach a few friends. That means that I have to go back and unpack the class notes I just crammed. I have my reading set out for me for the next few weeks as I study and re-study the material. Second, we learn to teach by teaching. That means I have to work with and watch better instructors if I’m going to do justice to my students. I have to apprentice myself.

In the class I met a guy who makes custom holsters, so I have three new kydex holsters and mag pouches on order for my 22 handguns.

Today I visited a brand new firearms store with a laser training simulator in my town.

John, I still haven’t gotten to shoot the Mosin Nagant with Mojo sights. Did you see the pictures of the sights?Mojo sight rear

Gary –
Paul- Link to Mag 20 class schedule
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Rob- Have you guys seen the new episode of Colion Noir’s interview show called Noir on NRA Freestyle TV?  It stars Colion and Amy Robbins.  Episode two is out.  I’ll watch a few more episodes.

Comments- Why is this program about pop-culture and firearms important?

Paul- A murderer near the University of California at Santa Barbara killed for 10 minutes in streets filled with university students walking, biking and skateboarding in the beach community.  The murderer acted in a way that was similar to the threats he posted on a  YouTube video posted that same night. Seven people were killed in all, including the shooter.

During the statement by the murderer’s family’s attorney, it was revealed that the family is staunchly anti-gun and support gun control laws. Quote “This country, this world, needs to address mental illness and the ramifications from not recognizing these illnesses.”

Comment- Where have we seen this before?  Arapahoe High School, Colorado

Comment- Crazy people, particularly rich crazy people who want sex and resent their social awkwardness do a lot of damage when no one can stop them.

Comment- gun free zone in a “won’t issue” California county.

John- We told you about the Hinsdale Illinois eagle scout who was suspended for a day after he wore a shirt with an outline of a gun that advertised his shooting team.  Highschool senior Chris Borg spoke at the school board meeting.  Both the school board and the school administration were evasive enough to make my stomach turn.  The school said they would remove the suspension from Borg’s record.

Comment- Why is it important to publicly ridicule anti-gun bureaucrats?

Rachel- Remington Arms is moving another two of its firearms models from its Ilion, New York facility to its new plant in Huntsville, Alabama.  This includes its line of Bushmaster rifles and its 1911 handguns.  Federal legislators like New York Senator Charles Schumer and New York Governor Cuomo endorsed gun control, and then claimed it wouldn’t cost jobs.  It looks like the New York politicians were wrong again.. not that they care.  Ilion New York is closer to the Canadian border than it is to New York City.. and probably didn’t vote for them anyway.

Comment- Why does this matter to New York gun owners and New York voters?  Why does it matter to the rest of us outside NY?

Rob- My sheriff Bill Gore, the Sheriff of San Diego County, now says he wants the California Attorney General Kamala Harris to appeal the Peruta court decision.  Kamala Harris also said she did not want to be part of the Peruta case.. until the gun grabbers lost the case.  Originally Gore said he wanted to hand out carry licenses, but the law prevented it.  Then he said he would obey any decision handed down by the courts. Now he says he wants someone else to appeal the case.  Sheriff Gore’s changing his story doesn’t surprise me at bit.  The only amendment Gore supports is the fifth.

Comment- What is the political cost if an incumbent Sheriff lies to his constituents?

John- This is what happens when corrupt anti-gun politicians can “interpret” the law in Colorado.  Sara Warren has her carry license.  She was in a traffic accident and the police collected her firearm from the EMTs.  Now, Sara can’t get her gun back because the Fort Collins city attorney won’t give it to her.  First the city attorney said they needed a background check, so Sara gave them all the information they needed.  Then the city attorney said they needed an FFL, so Sara brought along a police officer she knew who was an FFL and who would transfer her firearm back to her.  The anti-gun city attorney threatened to prosecute any officer who transferred the firearm to Sara Warren.

The police are allowed to temporarily hold a firearm for 72 hours without a transfer.  They should have returned her firearm at that time.  The Fort Collins city attorney only agreed to return her firearm when the press started pestering him.

Comment- Who is politically responsible for these decisions?  (The mayor or city council appointed Steve Roy as City Attorney.
Why is this important to Colorado gun owners?
Why is this important to all Colorado citizens?
Should Sara have reported the firearm stolen since it was taken by extra-legal means?

Rob- How many of you have heard about Doctor John Lott?  He wrote the books on guns and crime.  Books like “more guns less crime” and “The Bias Against Guns.”  Dr Lott digs out the anti-gun lies and destroys them root and branch.  I’ve read three of his books and shaken his hand at the GRPC conferences.  Dr. Lott started a research institute about guns and crime, and he wants to fund the institute with crowdsourcing.  Bloomberg dropped a few million dollars on a university so the purchased professors would spew out the anti-gun research papers that Mayor Mike wants.  Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor Lott.  I said we.  I did.  Now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Comments- Why is accurate research important to the right of self-defense?

John- Just because the Brady Campaign has been made largely irrelevant by Michael Bloomberg’s money and Everytown Moms for Illegal Guns doesn’t mean that they still can’t cause trouble. On Monday, they filed suit in conjunction with their NJ chapter to force the Acting Attorney General of New Jersey to file the required “personalized handgun” report. If the AG attests that a “smart gun” has been either offered for retail sale or that a manufacturer has delivered a production model of one to a FFL, then the 3-year clock starts. After that time ONLY “personalized handguns” will be allowed to be sold in the state of New Jersey. The timing of the filing of the suit came a day after Ernst Mauch who is the head of Armatrix had an op-ed in the Washington Post about “smart guns”.  While it could just be a coincidence, that is highly unlikely.

Comment- Rob- The legal tactic is called sue and settle.  A politician finds a special interest group to sue the state, and then the state offers no defense.  The presiding judge dictates the terms of the settlement.

Comment- What problem is the smart gun supposed to solve?
Comment- Why are LEOs exempt from the smart gun law?

Rachel – The CalGuns Foundation and Cal-FFL have filed suit against CA AG Kamala Harris in Sacramento Superior Court. Harris has recently issued a new interpretation of a long standing law in California which would limit those who have a FFL and a Cal DOJ Certificate of Eligibility to one handgun per month. This impacts those who have the Curios & Relics FFLs and a DOJ certificate. Harris is saying the exemption in the law to the 1 handgun in 30 limit is only for C&R handguns and not more modern handguns. Attorney Bradley Benbrook says this blocks individuals from exercising rights granted to them by the Legislature. The case is called Doe v. Harris.

Comment- What is the problem with Attorneys General adopting their own interpretation of standing law?

Paul- Rob had a rant about smart activism versus simply grabbing public attention.  Now the chain of Chipotle restaurants has asked citizens not to carry on their property.  The Denver-based company has traditionally complied with local laws regarding open and concealed firearms.  Guys, I’d ask you to carry concealed or carry smart.

Other businesses took a different approach.  “Dunkin’ Donuts and Baskin-Robbins restaurants are owned and operated by individual franchisees who are required to follow all federal, state and local laws with regard to firearms,” said a Dunkin’ Brands spokeswoman.

Rich Jeffers, director of communications at Darden Restaurants, the parent company of Olive Garden, Red Lobster and LongHorn Steakhouse said “Our approach has always been that we abide by all local and state laws.”

McDonald’s spokeswoman Lisa McComb said: “For franchisee-owned restaurants, operational decisions regarding open carry weapon laws are made by the independent franchisee.”

Comment – Shannon Watts and her minions are trolling the Internet looking for pictures of open carry in Texas. It doesn’t matter if it hasn’t been done in a year, she’ll try to make an issue of it. She posted year-old pictures of OC at a Smashburger even though they had to stop allowing open carry last year.

Rachel- Here in Texas, several open carry groups have made a joint statement calling their members to be responsible and wise as they exercise their right to open carry firearms. I applaud them for this self-regulation. Their new policies are designed to keep their stated mission in focus, and include instructions to notify law enforcement, use slings, leave a business quietly without a problem when asked to, and, when carrying inside a business, try to keep to local small businesses that are 2A friendly. While the Huffington Post reported this as “backing down” by the open carry groups, I see it as moving forward. Regulating themselves responsibly is a wise, strategic move as they present a positive image of gun ownership and bearing of arms to the American public.

John- The Pit Authentic Barbecue restaurant in Durham, North Carolina was the site of an armed robbery last Sunday night. Three masked men with pistols entered the back door, assaulted a couple of employees, and got away. NC Gun Blog points out, “The robbers had all the power. No one could resist them. Why? Because the owner of The Pit Authentic Barbecue has banned guns in his restaurant.”

Blogger Sean Sorrentino also states, “I am very glad that no one was seriously injured. But everyone involved needs to face one very important fact. They were not murdered only because the robbers did not decide to kill them.” It appears that the restaurant owner was making an intentional political statement with his gun-free zone. Last year, his restaurant hosted part of  Gabby Gifford’s anti-gun tour. Looks like the robbers made a statement of their own.

Jack in the Box fast food restaurants issued a similar no-guns policy for company owned stores, and three of their stores were robbed.

Comment- Are gun-free stores safe for anyone?

Stores have to properly post their no-guns policy in accordance with state regulations or the signs don’t have the force of law.

Rob-This is the season of primary elections.  That means we’re sure to be disappointed, but it also means we have to take joy in other’s successes.  In West Virginia, a 17 year old high school student ran against a sitting state delegate.  Sara Blair is graduating from high school later this month and will be in the general election in the fall after her electoral win.  Sara describe herself as a fiscal conservative who is pro gun rights, anti abortion and pro business. She is expected to win the election in the fall.

Comment- Why is it important to have young pro-gun politicians in office?

Paul-Voting along party lines, the Democrat controlled New Jersey legislature sent Governor Chris Christie a bill limiting firearms magazine capacity to 10 rounds or less.  There is neither a grandfather clause in the bill, nor is there a provision for reimbursements so citizens can make their firearms comply with New Jersey law.  The law isn’t clear if the magazine capacity is only determined by the standard ammunition used in the firearms, since 22 shorts can be loaded into a tubular magazine as well as 22 long rifle cartridges.  Of course, the restrictions to not apply to law enforcement officers.  Please write Governor Christie and ask him to veto the bill.

Comment- This is cultural cleansing of firearm owners from New Jersey.  The Democrats want firearm owners to leave the state.

Rob- Gun Quotes
“When the law disallows both the means and moral authority to defend one’s self and property, crime and violence fill the void between common sense and the hoped for utopia.”  – JD Filkins

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this advertisement Concealment Solutions and the interview with Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS.

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Rachel- Don’t mess with Texas, and certainly don’t mess with 17 year old Samantha Mayhue’s who lives in Cypress, Texas near Houston.  There have been half a dozen car break ins this year on this otherwise quiet street.  That explains why there are dual electronic locks on the front door at Samantha’s home.  She still thinks someone would have to be crazy to try and break into her house where a Texas flag flies on the driveway.  She heard someone try her front door before the alarm sounded.  Samantha went straight for her father’s Glock and called the police.

“Everyone knows we have guns in here.  Daddy taught me right. I wasn’t afraid to do what I needed to do.  I was going to pull the trigger and aim for the chest and keep pulling it until the 17 rounds out of my dad’s Glock 19 was gone,” Mayhue said.  Luckily, the alarm scared the would-be intruder away.  Samantha Mayhue wants to be a tactical firearms instructor in a few years.

Comment- Does disarming a young lady make her safer or put her at risk from others?

John- Muncie [IN] police say a convicted bandit got more than he bargained for when he tried to hold up a south side liquor store late Friday. Authorities said Anthony J. Williams, 47, was shot in the pelvic region as he struggled with a female clerk over possession of a handgun. Williams entered the liquor store about 11:15 p.m., pretended to have a weapon and demanded cash from the female clerk. The clerk believed Williams was trying to grab a handgun that was behind the store’s counter. A struggle then ensued between the clerk and Williams, ending when the gun discharged, seriously wounding the would-be bandit, police said. Williams was transported to IU Health Ball Memorial Hospital. Police at first thought his wound was potentially life-threatening, but later reports that his condition is believed to have stabilized..

Comment- Rachel, this sounds like having a gun under the counter is as ill advised as purse carry.  Why not carry on body?

Rachel- Back in Houston Texas- A man was walking through an apartment complex late Wednesday night when he was approached by a man who demanded he surrender his wallet and cell phone.  The victim felt threatened enough to draw his concealed handgun and open fire on the suspect.  The suspect was hit twice, but still managed to run to a waiting getaway car. He was picked up by police at a nearby hospital.  The suspect was in surgery early Thursday morning.  Police don’t expect to file charges filed against the robbery victim.

Comment- Robberies, like other accidents, happen where we are, and we are often near home.

John- A Granville County, North Carolina homeowner is safe and unharmed after burglars tried to break into his home Tuesday morning. The same cannot be said for one of the burglars. 20 year old Rodney Hanks Junior broke into a home Tuesday morning with a gun and a knife.  The homeowner shot him.  His fellow burglars were seen leaving the scene and are still on the loose.

Sheriff Brendell Wilkins said they are not releasing the name of the homeowner for his safety. He went on to add regarding the homeowner, ““They were breaking into his house; you’ve got the right to defend yourself. The suspect had a gun and a knife.” That is a sheriff who gets it.

Paul- Don’t bring a crowbar to a gunfight.. at least in Fort Wayne, Indiana.  Nathan Simmerson and four other masked men broke into a home Tuesday night.  Simmerson went upstairs.. where he met the armed home owner.  Simmerson, armed with a crowbar, fled and locked himself in a bathroom.  One of the downstairs victims yelled for the homeowner to come down with his assault rifle.. and the four downstairs robbers fled.  Simmerson tried to run but was tackled by the residents and held for police.  Simmerson says he doesn’t know the names of his accomplices.  I noticed that the papers already had his picture on file.

Gary- Don’t bring a baseball bat to a gunfight either.  A Toledo, Ohio woman and her boyfriend were attacked by a man wielding a bat Monday afternoon.  The boyfriend was struck on his arm with the bat.  The woman has her concealed carry permit and drew her pistol from her purse as the attacker moved toward her.  She fired twice and the attacker ran.  The attacker drove to the University of Toledo Medical Center in a private vehicle seeking treatment for gunshot wounds to his legs.

Comment- How quickly could you react to an attack?

Paul- More from Struthers, Ohio this last Wednesday.  Two teens entered a Sami Quickstop convenience store just after midnight in this Youngstown suburb.  One of the teens raised a rifle and pointed it at the store clerk.  The criminal fired and missed.  The 20 year old store clerk with a CCW drew his own handgun, shot and hit the 17 year old gunman Ja’Braelyn Bunn.  Both teens ran from the store.  The teen gunman is in the hospital while his accomplice is in juvenile detention.  Both face charges for armed robbery.

Comments- What would you do if you were in the store?

John- We have more, and it’s not from Houston, Detroit or Ohio.  I hope you’ve heard about the 300 young Christian girls taken as slave by the Islamist group Boko Haram in Nigeria.  Note that civilian ownership of firearms is forbidden in Nigeria.  Thank god some villages break the law.  Several villages armed themselves and counter attacked against Boko Haram.  They claim to have seized 90 motorcycles, several heavy trucks, and to have killed approximately 250 of the terrorists.  One villager was quoted as saying that they would kill the terrorists themselves since the army wasn’t doing its job.  Note that defenders typically have a three-to-one advantage over attackers.

Comment- Is this any different than the problem faced by citizens of New York or Chicago of a few years ago?

Gary- 24 year old Victor Navarro walked into the HealthMart Pharmacy in Hialeah, Florida, a suburb of Miami, just after noon.  The 24 year old demanded Xanax and was turned away by the pharmacist.  Victor Navarro came back to the pharmacy and pulled up his shirt showing a handgun, and again demanded drugs.  This time the pharmacy manager, 70 year old Angel Navarro Betancourt, no relation to the victim, shot and killed Victor Navaro.  The young man was said to have a severe drug addiction.. and the gun in his waistband was a BB gun.

Comment- Threatening people will get you killed.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles on our website at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul- Here is our listener e-mail segment.  This one is from listener Rob

-Hi guys,
I hope I can help end the spitting match over Facebook likes with the Polite Society. I’m a big fan of both polite society & slam fire radio podcasts. As a U.S. citizen I’m partial to my American podcasts. Buuuuuuuut, my wife of 10 years is a Canadian citizen. I obviously like Canadians too.  I listen to both Trevor’s podcasts for the content, hosts and because I enjoy the accent. You know what I’m talking aboat, eh?

So let’s get down to reality and accuracy with the Facebook likes. I really enjoy Paul, Rob & Rachel but Slam Fire Radio is ahead by a long shot.
The math is very simple. Polite Society has more Facebook likes but when you factor in 236 vs 57 episodes and a population approximately 300 million vs 30 million. Slam Fire is kicking some serious Facebook ass.
I’m just say’n
Rob
Hudson Valley, NY
Ps. One good thing about Canadian gun laws is, it makes my New York State gun laws look pretty awesome.

Rachel-Here is another e-mail from listener Rick.

-Hey, guys
When Paul returns you will have to give him time to recover from Mag40.  He will be mentally drained, physically exhausted and amazed at all the new like-minded friends he made.
Oh, and he’ll be saying “I digress” a lot.
Still listening.
Rick

John: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Paul- We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rachel- That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rachel- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John- Rob(?) do you have an article you want to talk about?

Rob- I have an article on Clash Daily and Ammoland.  It is called Criminals Commit Suicide by Citizen and it came from the news stories we read on this podcast.  

Rachel- John, do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John- One hiker is dead and one in critical condition after being robbed and shot while hiking in Tehama County, California. Neither were armed. The robber asked for their property and then killed Pat Gregory, 69, of West Tisbury, MA. His 76 year old companion was left for dead on the trail and is in the hospital. People ask why you should carry while out hiking and communing with nature. This is why you carry!

Comment-  What is the moral of this story?  You can’t guarantee your safety by complying with criminals.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

John: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Iowas Firearm Coalition, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Rachel: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Gary: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.

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Personal news from each participant
Rob- Magazines. One jam and done. This one lasted about 1500 rounds and has been dropped many many times.
Tried to order ammunition online after the vendor announced a sale. I forgot my login information. Couldn’t reset. by the time the company got back to me, the ammunition was out of stock. Went to Walmart.

Rachel: My Texas Firearms Freedom news – our activists have filled up a table at a fundraiser dinner for a State Rep candidate here in Texas who strongly supports gun rights, including Constitutional Carry (TJ Fabby). That’s Tuesday, April 22, if any fellow Texans want to come, too. I’ve packed my shoot box and am ready for nearly 60 shooters for Friday’s “Ïntroduction to Appleseed” event.

John – I spent the weekend at the Mother Earth News Expo in Asheville. I wasn’t sure what to expect but I had a good time and saw a number of gun rights supporters based upon their T-shirts. I also attended a few presentations on essential life skills like making sausage and cutting up a sheep and a hog.

Paul: I am taking a new position at my company. I am going to start running regional. That means that I will only be on about ½ of the Wednesday recording sessions and starting April 26th EVERY Saturday broadcast will be live from ABN Army Surplus! This is a huge move for me. It means home time on a more regular basis and while my income might theoretically drop a small amount over time it will be far more stable.

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Rachel-36 citizens were shot in Chicago over the weekend, or about one an hour. Four of the shootings were fatal. None of them were by licensed concealed carry holders. Chicago Police Department spokesman Adam Collins blamed others by saying “..we continue to be challenged by lax state and federal gun laws.” It looks like the Chicago model of destroying jobs and disarming citizens is hazardous to your health.

Rob- As many as one million New York residents broke the law yesterday. That was the deadline to register their rifles under the New York SAFE Act. It looks like most citizens decided to practice civil disobedience rather than submit to arbitrary laws. This is a serious decision. Connecticut and New Jersey take note.

John- Barry Elliot of the youtube channel Iraqveteran died of a heart attack this weekend. Barry posted a lot of videos about guns, shooting and firearms history. He offered his insights and experience to new shooters and experts alike, from odd firearms to the outstanding. Barry hosted more than 80 episodes.

Paul -Elections have consequences, and so do votes in Tennessee. Pressure from Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam killed a bill to allow open carry of a handgun without a permit. The legislation had already passed the state senate, but Haslam had the bill killed in house committee. Remember this vote when a political party asks you for money or campaign help. These days I only donate to individual candidates or campaigns.

Rachel- The US department of justice criticized the Albuquerque police department for a pattern of excessive use of force in a practice that routinely violated people’s constitutional rights. The Albuquerque department killed 23 and wounded 14 others over 37 events in the last four years. The DOJ report said officers were not officially reprimanded after officers violently restrained, kicked or punched non-threatening individuals. Quoting the New York Times, “Many of the victims suffered from mental illnesses, and some were disabled, elderly or drunk.” The report suggested 44 remedies, but did not suggest a federal monitor of the department.

Paul- We’ve pointed out many times that concealed carry holders are more law abiding and less likely to injure the innocent than are police. I’d like the police to improve their record.

Rob- One Utah Sheriff is being proactive. Weber county sheriff Terry Thompson said he is still shaken by the murders at Sandy Hook and wants to train school staff to make sure Utah schools are prepared. Utah is one of a handful of states that allow loaded firearms on school property with a concealed carry permit — as long as the firearm remains on the employee’s person and not in their desk, purse or jacket. Sheriff Thompson said, “Our interest is to make sure our academic environments are able to protect our kids. The program actually began after teachers asked us what they can do to be prepared. A lot of parents were also coming forward to their children’s teachers asking ‘What are you going to do to protect my child?’.”

Besides granting a concealed carry permit, the classes teach Weber county educators what law enforcement’s response will be and how to best work with police, while keeping their students out of harm’s way. Some instructors took the class simply to know how police respond to an emergency. One employee said “In the end, we’re responsible for the kids we teach. In fact we always refer to them as ‘our kids.’ Nothing is more important to us than ensuring their safety.”

Utah PTA President Liz Zentner said the option to carry a firearm should be up to the school district and the individual. The next classes are scheduled for late June or early July after school closes for the year.

John- Anthony, one of our listeners sent in an email telling us about this next story. -On a different planet than Utah, former New York City mayor Michael Bloomberg plans to spend $50 million campaigning against the National Rifle Association. Bloomberg is spending the cash to create a new grassroots network with members around the nation who support gun registration and confiscation. He’s calling it Everytown for Gun Safety.

Bloomberg’s initial advertisement is aimed at scaring women away from owning firearms and scaring women away from those who support a woman’s right to choose armed self-defense.

Larry Pratt, director of Gun Owners of America, said he’s not feeling the threat, however. “Bloomberg’s got the money to waste, so I guess he’s free to waste it. But frankly, I think he’s going to find out why his side keeps losing.”

Isnt’ that a contradiction for a billionaire to spend millions on a “grass roots” movement? The NRA has 5 million members who pay a few bucks a year.

Rob- Rachel, have people told you that self-defense isn’t appropriate for women?

Rachel- :mini-rant: 🙂 (more please) (remember you asked for it…..) (yep, I asked.)

Rob- Bloomberg’s group wanted to confiscate guns from any household where there was a report of domestic violence. That disarms every victim of domestic violence. I hear Laura Carno saying “Don’t you dare tell me how to defend myself!”

John – I know this might not be polite to say on the Polite Society Podcast but anti-gun politicians are like cockroaches: They hate to have the light shined on their actions. Illinois State Sen. Dan Kotowski who was the Exec Director of the Illinois Council Against Handgun Violence prior to his being elected to the Illinois State Senate in 2007 says his town hall meeting tomorrow in Roselle is not about gun control. He is accusing the Illinois State Rifle Association of lying about it in an alert to their members. He has called their alert, “reckless, irresponsible, and dangerous.” Richard Pearson of ISRA responds that he wants the gun controllers to realize that we are out there and watching their actions. Kotowski tried to get a new Illinois assault weapons ban (sic) plus a mag ban passed last year and narrowly failed thanks to the opposition of the NRA, ISRA, and other gun rights organizations.

John- Here is a quote from a college professor and fellow North Carolinian. “The gun control extremist has at least two things in common with the Islamic extremist. He has a willingness to die for his fundamental beliefs. And he has the sanctimony to demand that others go with him.” – Dr. Mike Adams who teaches Criminology at UNC-Wilmington.

Rob- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this interview with Kyle Coplin of the Armed Citizen Project.
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Segment 4 DGUs
Rob- John and Rachel, do you remember Kyle when we were in Houston?

Rob- While making a delivery, a pizza delivery man was attacked by four people in Buffalo, New York. They hit him on the head and body. At least one of the assailants was masked and used a hammer to beat the driver. This delivery driver has a licence to carry concealed. He was, and used his pistol to defend himself. He shot the masked man, one 18 year old DeJuan Coleman, who is now in police custody and listed in fair condition.

John – In keeping with Paul’s dictum that nothing good happens after midnight, a Flint MI homeowner shot and killed a 17 year old home invader sometime after midnight on Monday morning after the homeowner heard the sounds of his house being broken into. The 17 year old’s body was found about a block away. His 3 accomplices are now in jail awaiting arraignment on home invasion charges. This makes the third home invasion in Flint for the month of April in which the homeowner had to respond with lethal force to a home invasion. Unlike the criminals, no homeowner was injured in these home invasions.

Rachel- Last Monday, 41-year-old Robert Trevino decided to go jewelry shopping at Harpers Jewelry Store in Elgin, Texas, just a few miles east of Austin – except, he apparently had decided he didn’t want to pay for his jewelry. He approached the owner, Juan Torres, with a hammer in his hand. Torres responded with some well-placed shots from his 12-gauge shotgun – and then, with the main burglar dead, turned his attention to the accomplices in the parking lot. When he finished, two were wounded (and later taken into custody), and several others had simply fled the scene. It turns out that Trevino’s criminal record includes a burglary at this same store a couple of weeks ago. Guess this one didn’t turn out so well for him.

Paul-We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend. We’ll be right back after this Tips-and-Tricks segment with Kenn Blanchard.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Paul- Anthony sent us this email
Funny. When I read the article, I didn’t see “gun violence” stated, but rather “gang violence.”
Huh. I must have missed something.
Love the show. Keep it up.
http://my.chicagotribune.com/#section/545/article/p2p-79917002/
(“In his first visit to Chicago since becoming director of the FBI, James Comey said today he is “painfully aware” of the city’s seemingly intractable gun violence and plans to direct more federal resources at the problem.
Comey, who was in town meeting with staffers in his Chicago field office, told reporters in a brief news conference at the FBI’s headquarters on the West Side that new congressional funding will allow for 2,000 new hires nationally over the next year and a half.”)
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John – This email comes from Jake:

I know this would be the third week you’ve addressed this topic, but I recently read this interesting article and thought I’d pass it along.

http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26921743
This study claims that violence related to video gaming is correlated with how frustrating the video game is, and not how violent it is. Games modified to have counter-intuitive controls or where the player was not given a tutorial on how to play were the ones that produced violent behavior, whereas there was no difference between the group that played the violent version and the one that played the neutered, non-violent one.
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Rachel- This email comes from Ken
Paul,

My Mom taught us to never point our toy guns at anyone. We only pointed our guns at make-believe bad guys. Never at our friends. It was true that the Shootin’ Shell snubbies could put your eye out, so it was a valuable lesson.

50 years between my gun acquisitions, I still hear that admonition ringing in my head. Lessons learned young do indeed stay with us. Thanks, Mom.

Ken Silva
Phoenix, AZ

PS Here are the 2 guns I reference. Shootin’ Shell 38 by Mattel. LCP .380 by Ruger. 50 years since my last gun!

Rob- Finally a comment off of our website from Fred:
Listen to you guys all the time. You ask for state firearm organizations well I am in Nebraska and we have The Nebraska Firearms Owners Association. (NFOA). Hard to believe Toby never mentioned it when he was there. Love the pod cast.

Thanks
Fred

I’d like to wish Paul good luck on his new political endeavor. Way to set the example for us and get involved. I think Rachel is getting through to you guys.
Keep representing gun owners in a positive light.

Rachel: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes. They are located by our old name, Politics and guns. Hot links are in our show notes.

John: We’re experimenting with the show all the time. Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike. You can contact the show by e-mail. Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com.. Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rachel: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on the the Crusader Podcast Network.
Also please listen to The Modern Self Protection Podcast, Ben Branham isn’t on our network, but he will be a guest on our show we record on the 26th of this month.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Joining two makes you a hero. Supporting all four makes you a super hero. (Do we get a cape?) 🙂

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, ,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

John: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rachel: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.
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