Episode 237 – Anthony Colandro and Kathy Perkins

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Personal news from each participant

Paul is on his way to Mag40.

Rob- I cleaned my 1911s after a few thousand rounds of cheap ammunition. They needed it.

I changed to aperture sights on my Mosin. I was going to go out in the desert and shoot it, but I haven’t cleaned up from my last adventure yet, so that will have to wait.

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I traveled a few days this week so I got to listen to some podcasts that our listeners recommended.  Thank you Peter from Virginia who sent me a pro-liberty podcast.

I also donated to Dr. John Lott’s Crime Prevention Research Center.  Have you?

I have  an NRA basic pistol class this weekend, so I won’t be here on Saturday.

Rachel- Nothing much tactical lately – my neighbors have shot all the snakes around here lately, so I didn’t even get in on that. I’ve been watching some kids lately and having some fun helping them out with schoolwork. So, I spent my afternoon looking at Latin Roots.

John – As regular listeners know, I suffered a broken ankle just after Christmas. My physical therapist did his re-eval today and said I had exceeded the goals he had set earlier than expected. I think this means I can go shooting sooner than later.

Reminder that we don’t have a Saturday Show.
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News_Partner_whiteRachel’s “I Can’t” Rant!

My name is Rachel, but my friends call me Bullet. True to my nickname, I’m going to shoot straight with you tonight. This is the “I Can’t Rant.”

If I had a dollar for every time I’ve heard someone tell me they can’t be politically active, my ammo fund would be amply supplied for quite a while…or at least for a couple of good training sessions. 🙂 It goes like this: “Oh, I just LOVE what you’re doing in gun rights! You do such a great job…..I wish I could do that. But, I can’t.”

What they imply: “Some people can be activists because they just….came that way, but I didn’t come that way, therefore I’m off the hook.” The truth: political activism does come more naturally to some people, but believe me, those who have been there for a long time and made a major impact in public policy didn’t do so because they were just born that way. They WORKED.

Thomas Edison said, Genius is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration, and I would say that ratio probably holds true for political activism, too.

So, in order to bust this ridiculous I Can’t Syndrome, I’d like to cover a few FGE’s that I’ve heard more than once. What’s an FGE? Frequently-Given Excuse.

FGE #1: I can’t because I don’t live in the area.
This is 2014 and we are blessed with modern transportation to get us across the state – or even across the country. Driving a few hours to block walk or attend a meeting may seem too far at first, but you’ll get used to the drive – trust me, there are a lot of us who do it all the time for liberty activism. And, it’s always great to get to see what’s happening in other areas of the state.

FGE #2: I can’t because I don’t have the money.
I hear this all the time and I have to laugh and shake my head. Are you kidding me? Do I look like a rich young heiress?! I could talk all night about people who don’t have any spare cash who’ve made huge inroads and shaken up the whole political world – using the tiniest of budgets that would shock you.

Don’t have a car or gas money? Car-pool with other activists. If you have time, that’s an asset you need to utilize. Get connected with others who have other resources (cars, gas money). Successful grassroots activism is about working together – each of us using our own available skills and resources, combining all of those for greatest leverage.

I’m sure there is something happening close to you also. If not, make it happen. Find a liberty-loving neighbor or friend in your area to run for precinct chair, mayor, city council, school board….or run yourself. Host neighborhood get-togethers. Be proactive and make it happen.

If it turns out you really can’t get on location where the action is, you can STILL be a successful activist. Use your time to spread the word, to research information, to study liberty, to study the law. Use modern technology (internet, social media, etc.), which shouldn’t cost you much at all.

Learn to write well. Help the cause of liberty through thoughtful and articulate articles, blog posts, emails, newspaper editorials, or even through strategic use of social media.

FGE #3: I can’t because I don’t have time.
Find someone else to be boots on the ground – you can pay their gas to get there. Again, use whatever resources you do have to help accomplish the goal. Or perhaps you can re-prioritize….could you forego golfing or watching football or going to another movie or something less important than upholding liberty and standing up for gun rights?

FGE #4: I can’t because I’ve never done it before and I’m not that kind of person.
I’m not either. And once upon a time, none of us had ever done it before. The difference between the doer and the I Can’t excuse-giver usually has to do with work ethic and commitment. Are you willing to study up and learn? Can you commit to showing up and helping? Do it. Network with more experienced activists who can show you the ropes. Step out and be brave. Not only can you help the cause of liberty, but you can gain confidence in communicating with others.

I’m a music teacher, and I hear excuses all the time – at least, I used to, until I outlawed them. I’ve taught my students, never say “I can’t.” You can say it’s hard, or you don’t want to, or you refuse. That may not be good, but at least it’s honest. But don’t say you can’t. At least 98% of the time, for my students, the task isn’t impossible. They aren’t victims of their circumstances – they just didn’t complete it because of a personal choice (whether it was conscious or unconscious). For example: they decided not to practice because they chose to do something else with their time instead.

So, back to the “I Can’t” people: here’s the one thing I DO let people say.  I won’t because I have more important things to be doing.  I hope never to put anyone down for making a personal, rational, thoughtful, intentional choice not to engage in activism because they believe their time is better spent elsewhere.

I don’t push the cause of liberty in order to have the right to tell you how you should be spending your time.

By all means, do whatever you believe will be most effective and achieve the best results. If that means doing different political activism than I do, go for it. If that means spending time with your dying mother, going to your kid’s football game, having praying meeting, getting some sleep instead of pulling all-nighters….. do what you decide you need to be doing.

Remember: “Men do less than they ought unless they do all that they can.” (Thomas Carlyle)  Do all you can and don’t sweat the rest. Make your decisions wisely and don’t let anyone else beat you up for them. But please, don’t say, “I Can’t.”
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Rob- This in from Illinois.  A Hinsdale Central High School student is challenging a suspension he said he received for wearing a T-shirt that depicts an AK-47 to school.  Senior Chris Borg said he was stopped for wearing the shirt by hall monitors. Dean of students, Kimberly Dever, offered him the chance to turn the shirt inside out, wear another shirt or be suspended for the day. Chris decided to go home. Superintendent Bruce Law said the T-shirt is a violation of the dress code because it is vulgar, inappropriate, unsafe or disruptive to the educational process (examples include the  advertising/display of alcohol, drugs, tobacco, sexual innuendo), and this T-shirt was unsafe and disruptive. Chris said that pictures of firearms can be found in our history textbooks, but you don’t see people freaking out about that.  The school’s team mascot, which is a Devil, holds a trident, which is a weapon.

Can you say double standards in Illinois?

John-  Did you say double standards in Minnesota?  The Minnesota highway patrol closed a downtown Minneapolis freeway on Tuesday morning to make a quote “high-risk” traffic stop as they detained a motorist for brandishing a gun at another driver.  The alleged offender was a special agent of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.  Now the state police say the matter is under investigation.

Rob- I want to compare the criminal behavior of a licensed citizen versus the criminal record of law enforcement officers.

Civilians are more law abiding than the police for sexual assault and homicide.  But for other crimes, the rate for police is very similar to the general population.  In contrast, permit holders in North Carolina commit violent crimes with a firearm 82 percent less often than the average citizen and are convicted of a DUI 85 percent less often than the general population.  Texas permit holders are much safer too.  The point being that police are as safe .. or as dangerous.. as the average citizen, and licensed carry holders are the most law abiding group.

I doubt the BATF officer will be prosecuted.  Anyone want to bet against me?

Rachel- Remember the story about the Open Carry Texas group going to Jack in the Box for a burger?  The New York times reported that employees hid in the freezer and called police.  The source of the New York Times story was.. (drum roll)  Bloomberg’s Mom’s Demand Action.   The New York Times story was then repeated by Texas law enforcement officers.  Open Carry Texas produced photographs of their group being served while the Jack in the Box employees went about their business, and the Times retracted their story.  The Times and Bloomberg’s group are made for each other.  All the lies that are fit to print meets all the lies that are fit to tell.

John Richardson– Now Jack in the box has released a corporate statement.  It is a lot like that of Starbucks. They “ask” people not to carry in their stores. They don’t ban it. Nonetheless, Shannon Watts and Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors are claiming victory. Because they know how to play the media better than that group of open carry activists, it is perceived as a win for the gun prohibitionists. And for most people, their perception is their reality.

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Rachel- In legal news, the Second Amendment Foundation won a case in Arkansas this week when they got a permanent injunction against that state’s limitation of concealed carry permits for US citizens only. SAF argued correctly that permanent legal residents should have the same rights as citizens. Alienage is a suspect categorization and courts have applied strict scrutiny to these cases. SAF has won similar cases in Nebraska, Massachusetts, and New Mexico. The ACLU, not the most gun friendly organization, has actually won two similar cases in South Dakota and Kentucky.

John- Do you remember a few years ago when an armed citizen thwarted an armed robbery in a Spartanburg, South Carolina Waffle House restaurant?  The family of the deceased robbers say they didn’t have to die.  Newly released video shows the criminals pointing their guns at the patrons.  The armed citizen ignored the event, but did not lie on the floor as the robbers demanded.  When the armed men came back and pointed their gun at him, the citizen defended himself from a credible, immediate and lethal threat to his life.  The robber died right there.  The robber threatened other people’s lives, and he deserved to die so others might live.  The link to the security camera video is in our show notes, so see for yourself.

Gun Quotes
Rob- “Having heard all of this you may choose to look the other way but you can never again say that you did not know.” William Wilberforce 1791

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Seg 3 Interviews
Interview with Anthony Colandro about his run for NRA board of directors ( file Anthony Colandro election results nra2014 2.mp3)
Interview with Anthony Colandro about his NJ senate testimony (file Anthony Colandro NJ Senate and Drake 2.mp3)
Interview with Kathy Perkins of Moms with Guns Demand Action. (file Moms with guns demand action Kathy Perkins 2.mp3) Look at the bottom of her page where Kathy talks to her local school administration about armed security for schools and a Youtube video of that discussion

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Gary- An intruder was shot and killed Monday morning by an elderly man in Columbus, Ohio.  Emerson Frazier is 69 and his wife is 58. Police were called to 990 Bruckner Rd. shortly before 4 a.m. on a report of a burglary. A few days ago the alarm went off indicating an intruder was in the garage.  The intruder fled by the time the couple investigated. Early this morning, the alarm went off again and the couple went outside. Two men in the garage beat the homeowners.  Emerson Frazier was armed and shot one of the assailants. The other fled. The wounded man was taken to OhioHealth Grant Medical Center.

John- This is a DGU with no shots fired.  A rural homeowner called the Whitley County Kentucky Sheriff’s department reporting that a man had tried to force his way into the home through the front door. When that failed the intruder busted out a window and was swinging a knife.

Police found 67 year old Lonnie Paul partially in the home by way of the busted out window.  The homeowner was holding Paul at gunpoint with a shotgun in order to protect a two-year-old in the home.   Police found damage to the home’s front door, and Paul did have a knife in his possession.  Police said Paul appeared very intoxicated and that he confessed to drinking moonshine at a nearby residence.

Rachel- There are not many licensed firearms owners in Jamaica.  This license holder pulled to the side of the road with car problems just before dawn Tuesday morning.  A notorious robber called  ‘Pree Dem’ along with a young accomplice tried to rob the stranded motorist.  The license holder fired once striking  ‘Pree Dem’  in the head and killing him.  The teenage accomplice escaped.  The police described  ‘Pree Dem’ as a one man crime spree.. that is now at an end.

The single armed citizen was able to do what the Jamaican police have been trying to do for months.

John- Charlotte-Mecklenburg [NC] police say 22-year-old Darlanski Lamar Sherrill died Monday night a short time after an alleged robbery in northwest Charlotte. Police were called around 9 p.m. by a man who said he was in his yard when he was confronted by Sherrill who forced him inside and tried to rob him. The victim said Sherrill beat him with the gun. The victim also told police he was able to shoot his attacker. A short time later, a CMPD officer stopped a car driven by Don Antonio Morrison for driving erratically. His passenger was Sherrill who ran from the car and was found shortly thereafter. He was taken to Carolinas Medical Center where he died.

Mecklenburg County jail records indicate both Morrison and Sherrill had previous arrests. Morrison was charged in this case with charged with armed robbery and conspiracy to commit armed robbery.

Prosecutors will decide later if any charges will be brought against the homeowner who was attacked. Under North Carolina’s castle doctrine, the legal presumption is always in favor of a homeowner if threatened with severe bodily injury.

John- Jonathan Haith said he was asleep in his home in Henderson North Carolina.  It was around 9:45 a.m. when he heard a light knock on his backdoor. He ignored it at first. Then he heard a loud bang in the laundry room area.  Haith grabbed the AR-15 rifle he keeps under his bed. Quote “I crouched down, grabbed the firearm and was walking up the hallway.  As soon as I poked my head around the corner, I saw a tall male standing there with a gun. He shot first, I shot second.  He missed and I reckon I connected.” close quote.

The intruder was struck in the stomach. He ran out the home, and collapsed across the street in a church parking lot. Police arrested the suspect and the get-away-car driver.  The intruder is listed in critical condition.  When asked why he didn’t shoot more, the homeowner said he only needed one well placed shot.

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.  Next up is out tips and tricks segment.

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John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I do. I did a post yesterday about the Fencing Club at North Dakota State University. Thanks to a bizarre interpretation of the school’s weapons policy by the Director of University Police and Safety they cannot practice on campus. Why? Because the Director considers their blunt-tipped foils and epees to be dangerous weapons. He justifies this by saying the “safest way is simply to have no weapons, real or perceived, on campus.” Interestingly enough, the U of ND and Minnesota State Univ-Moorhead which are nearby both have fencing clubs and both allow them to practice on campus.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

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Rob: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

John: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Rachel: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode email them in and they will be!   Peter from Virginia sent us a couple new organizations to add, so thank you, Peter!

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Gary: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
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Episode 225 – Citizens for a Safer New Jersey

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, April 2nd. I’m Rob Morse
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with John Willit and Rich Petkevis about Citizens for a Safer New Jersey.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on! episode 225 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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John- The Connecticut Citizens Defense League has a rally scheduled on April 5th in Hartford Connecticut.  Connecticut deserves our support.  New York, Massachusets and Rhode Island gun owners are close enough to drive over.  http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally

Rob- Mail in your NRA ballot too!  Ballots must be received by April 6th.

Rachel and Tim -Fort Hood shooting- There was a shooting this afternoon on base at Ft. Hood in Texas. Latest official reports have 4 dead including the gunman and 14 wounded. The shooter was 34-year-old Ivan Lopez who is reported to have died from a self-inflicted wound. The advice given to soldiers on base was to “shelter in place”. This is just another shooting that happened in a gun-free zone, and brings back memories to troops and Texans of the last Ft. Hood shooting that happened in 2009.

Obama’s statement: “working with folks on the ground to find out exactly what happened and be sure everyone is secure, and we will get to the bottom of this.” “We’ll do everything we can do make sure the community at Fort Hood has what it needs…”

Rob- This is not workplace violence.  These service men and women were killed by political correctness.. by criminal negligence by a commanding officer.
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John -Albany, New York gun rights rally drew an estimated 3000 protesters saying repeal New York’s SAFE act that imposed magazine limits and outlawed many firearms.  The legislation takes effect in only two weeks and requires registration of all semi-automatic rifles.  http://www.wben.com/Trump–Astorino-Take-on-Cuomo-Over-NY-Gun-Control/18714252

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Rob -Colorado Sheriff’s take magazine ban to court.  Colorado’s new gun restrictions went on trial Monday as Second Amendment advocates seek to overturn the laws on grounds that they violate constitutional rights to keep and bear arms.  About 50 sheriffs said they would not enforce the new Colorado gun laws.  The state attorney general has the unfortunate task of defending Colorado’s new laws.  This trial is only a few hours old. http://denver.cbslocal.com/2014/03/31/colorado-gun-laws-argued-in-federal-court/

Paul- A West Virginia Sheriff refused to turn over list of gun owners after two newspapers asked for the information as a matter of public record.  Sheriff Patrick Butler said releasing information put the public, and the gun owners in particular, at risk.  West Virginia gun owners should give the sheriff some support.

Paul, should you comply with the law in order to oppose it?

Rachel- Iowa legislators have some explaining to do.  Speaker of the House, Kraig Paulsen, yesterday used a procedural rule to bury Constitutional Carry legislation yet again and kept it from coming up for a vote. Iowa gun owners were active and heard by both sides of the isle. The ruling class.. even republicans.. don’t support the right of self-defense in Iowa.  The message to Iowa gun owners is simple;  you snooze, you lose.

Paul- California’s top hypocrite Senator Leland Yee’s arrest for conspiracy to sell firearms without a license as well as many other crimes seems to have put a chill on 2 gun control bills that he introduced. You may recall from the last episode that Yee, who was rated A+ by the Brady Campaign and was on their Gun Violence Prevention Honor Roll, was arrested and has since posted bond.The Brady Campaign’s Amanda Knox said “I am very dismayed and upset, but his actions don’t make what is good policy any less good policy.”
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Rob -We knew Washington DC was crazy, and unfortunately, here is more proof.  Mark Witaschek was tried and convicted of having inert bullets used in a muzzleloading rifle in his DC townhouse.  These are ammunition components for a rifle that doesn’t require registration in DC.  You heard that right.  You now have to register your rifles you don’t have to register so you can register the ammunition you have to register.  That is what DC law says, though it took DC lawyers four hours to figure that one out.  After the so called trial, Witaschek registered himself on DCs Firearms Offenders Registry as part of his sentence.  No one in the DC registry office or DC attorney’s office could explain if Witaschek is now prohibited from owning firearms

To offer some perspective, there were TWO murders with firearms in DC the same night that SWAT teams raided Witaschek’s house in their first witch hunt for illegal guns.  This is DC law enforcement at play while disarmed citizens bleed. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/28/mark-witaschek-surrenders-to-dc-police-gun-offende/

John- New York state issued a guide to law enforcement concerning the New York SAFE act.  The guide recommends ignoring the magazine capacity requirements since they are most likely unconstitutional. They also suggest ignoring the muzzle brake restrictions as unenforceable vague. http://www.ammoland.com/2014/03/ny-state-police-guide-revised-to-reflect-unconstitutionality-of-ammunition-ban/#axzz2x8VvsnUT

Rachel- In Georgia liberal leaning talk show host Mike Malloy had some interesting things to say on his radio show. This is a direct quote “I would like to invite one of the NRA board members, and I’ll be armed, let’s just get this over with, OK? Come on down to Georgia and I’ll be packing heat and you be packing heat or whether you want to or not, I don’t give a damn, it’s up to you. And you come, meet me someplace, and all of a sudden, see, we have stand your ground here, and all of a sudden I’m going to feel real goddamned threatened by you! And I will shoot you! If I feel threatened. The law says I can! Ha ha ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha!”

John – In New Mexico on Monday, the Second Amendment Foundation won again. They had sought an injunction against New Mexico’s citizens-only CCW law and they got it. John Jackson is a citizen of Australia and a legal, and I emphasize LEGAL,  resident of the US and residing in Rio Rancho, NM. He wanted to obtain a New Mexico CCW permit. Discrimination based upon alienage or whether you are a citizen or legal resident is a constitutionally suspect. Because of this, the judge applied strict scrutiny and decided that the state of NM could not show that legal residents posed a great risk to public safety than citizens. Thus, she granted the injunction against that part of New Mexico’s law. The rest of the law stands and Mr. Jackson still has to meet all other requirements to get a permit.

Rob- Gun Quote of the day- Buy gold if you want a good return on your investment.  If you want a good return on your freedom, buy lead! John Kirkwood

Rob- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with the interview with John Willit and Rich Petkevis from Citizens for a Safer New Jersey.  right after this advertisement for Concealment Solutions.

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Rachel- Chicago citizens with carry licenses are not the only ones armed at home.  A Chicago police officer was at home with his 7 year old daughter during the middle of the day.  Men knocked at his front door and the officer ignored them thinking they were salesmen.  They weren’t.  They parked their van next to his house and then tried to force their way through the door.  The officer says one of the men drew a gun and the officer defended himself.  The injured man was taken to Advocate Christ Medical Center in Oak Lawn in serious-to-critical condition.

John – Police in Denver [CO] are investigating a shooting that occurred Tuesday afternoon... According to police, a homeowner shot a juvenile burglary suspect, who suffered injuries that aren’t considered life-threatening. “The homeowner was at home at the time and he heard some glass breaking and went on down,” said Sgt. Patrick Theriot from the Denver Police Department. The homeowner told CBS4’s Stan Bush the 17-year-old burglary suspect broke in through a back window of his him, lunged at him, and he shot him in the shoulder. The teen was who was reported to be in good condition was arrested. CBS-4 characterized the Colorado Castle Doctrine as “the make my day law”. Typical media bias.

Paul- Green light. gotta run. (err drive)

Rob- A Muskogee [OK] man shot and killed a robber last Saturday night.  Kyle Flood, age 30,told police that his 46 year old neighbor Dana Lewis knocked on his door and told Flood three men were burglarizing her home and needed help. Flood went inside his home and retrieved his pistol before he stepped back outside.  Three men were outside his neighbors home and Flood told the men to leave. Instead, the three men instead him.  Flood again told them to leave until one of the men came toward him in an aggressive manner.  Flood fired one shot at the man’s chest and all three suspects fled.

Police found the man a short time later in a nearby alley.  The injured burglar was transported to Eastar Hospital and died in hospital care.  Initial investigation shows Flood acted in self-defense.

Rachel- As defensive weapon carriers, we often hear the advice, “Carry 24/7 or guess right.” The obvious conclusion is that it’s impossible to guess right – but apparently, one woman did just that. A woman in Dallas, TX has had her CHL for 3 years but never carried. She decided to carry for the first time last week…..and that was the day she needed it. She was a witness as Kim Lamphone, a fellow rider on a DART train, was confronted by a shady-looking character who said, “Lady, I’ve got a gun; give me your bag.”  The armed bystander showed him her Glock and 23-year-old Jamil Karoma ran. It was later determined that Karoma had a BB gun. As for this witness….she has decided to not take her chances, and will be carrying more often from now on.

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.  We have a tips and tricks segment with Kenn Blanchard.

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Rob- Listener e-mail discussion
We had a voice mail, but Paul pulled away from the truck stop and has it with him. We will cover it this weekend.
Email from Ken
Hi, Paul.

To the one of you who said you are a Star Trek fan, if you aren’t listening to the Missionlog podcast, produced by Rod Roddenberry, you are missing a huge piece of the Star Trek universe. It’s almost like a Christmas present each and every week, as they review, discuss, and critique one episode at a time, or interview cast and crew.

They just finished TOS and currently are doing the cartoon series. Next will be Next Gen and the movies. They are doing it one episode at a time, and will get it all done in about 11 or 12 years from now!

Available on their website, or iTunes, and probably other places, too.
Ken
Laveen, AZ

Rob- Facebook message from Chad
Question for Rob – how do you dry fire a 1911?

John- Facebook message from Mick Swagger (former cast member)

Paul,
I know this is a little bit late but in Ep: 221 you rant about sheep dogs and you rant that you do not carry for others just for yourself and your family. I understand that you would rather be a good witness for the victim but MLK jr says this “The first question which the priest and the Levite asked was: “If I stop to help this man, what will happen to me?” But… the good Samaritan reversed the question: “If I do not stop to help this man, what will happen to him?””

Rachel: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time. Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike. You can contact the show by e-mail. Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us. Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

 

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

 

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Rob: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 221 – Canadians, Sheepdogs, New Jersey, and Glen Tate

Apple users! Please let us know if this fixed the issue with time encoding. We have switched to an Apple product to do our final encoding to MP3  (This took quite a bit because Paul HATES Apple)

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, March 19th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talk with Frank Fiamingo about the war on self-defense in New Jersey.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also have an interview with Glen Tate who makes a major announcement, and two crazy Canadians talking about the latest canadian firearms regulations.
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Paul: and hang on. Episode 221 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant
Paul- is parked and waiting for a load.. earning a few dollars an hour.
Rachel- is working politics by night and teaching music by day. I have no time to sleep. I’m connecting political activists to their county political conventions.

Rob- I was looking at mid sized 9mm firearms. I rented the Glock 17, the Springfield XD and the CZ-75. Each is a double stack 9mm with a four in inch barrel.. yet they are very different. The obvious missing comparison is the Smith and Wesson M&P, but someone was renting that at the time.

Weight- Glock 17 is lightest of the three. The XD is slightly heavier, though the XD and Glock both have polymer lowers. The CZ has a fairly heavy steel frame and is the heaviest by far. The CZ loaded with 10 rounds was almost as heavy as my empty 1911. The perceived recoil was directly related to the weight of the gun and the CZ didn’t move much when you fired it. The CZ would be fine if you were buying a competition gun or a house gun. The Glock and XD would be much better if you were going to carry them every day for self-defense. It also means that a new shooter who is recoil sensitive should consider the heavier firearms.

The three handguns have a different shape to the stock and feel entirely different in your hand. That is the reason you want to go to a range that rents a wide selection of firearms. The back of the Glock is broad and straight. It fits in your hand as if you’re grabbing the back of a thick hardcover book. I could reach around the stock (or grip) with my thumb, but people with smaller hands would have to roll their thumb around the Glock to get the gun to fit into the web between their thumb and forefinger. When you do that, it feels like you’re grabbing the side of the gun rather than grabbing the back of the gun. In contrast, the top of the CZ grip is nicely narrow and fits well into the groove between your thumb and index finger. I thought the CZ had the best fit in that it was narrower at the top and arched to fit into your palm. The XD is between the two. The XD has a slightly arched grip which also slightly narrows at the web of your thumb. The XD was not as good as the CZ but better than the Glock.

Here are the safety features for each firearm. The CZ has a single/double action trigger and a manual safety thumb safety. The XD has a grip safety and a trigger safety like the Glock. The Glock has only a trigger safety, but it has a considerably harder trigger pull.

Those are the features of the gun that are hard to change. The feel of the trigger can be changed, but I’ll report on the stock firearm.
You could identify each gun by its trigger. XD was actually a little light at 4-4.5 pounds. The CZ in single action was intermediate, and that surprised me. The double action was only a little heavier than the Glock. The Glock was heavy at 7 to 8 pounds. Again, triggers can be adjusted by a trained gunsmith.
When it came to trigger reset, the glock was the best. I thought the XD was next and my shooting buddy thought the CZ was next. Again, the perceived firmness of the reset was proportional to the weight of the trigger pull. You simply can’t have a light target trigger with a distinct reset.

I put about 20 rounds through each gun. I started with dry fire of each firearm. Then I shot a half dozen slow fire, and then went to controlled pairs. I did not test the CZ for accuracy shooting it as a double action handgun, but I did dry fire it in double action.

I tested the time it took to get a second shot. The XD was fastest due to the combination of features; it had the lighter trigger and a fairly good reset. In contrast, the good reset of the Glock was offset by the harder trigger pull. The low recoil of the CZ was offset by its mushy reset. A trigger job could reverse these rankings, but there are limits. I was looking for a carry gun, not a target gun or competition gun. Let me be clear that each firearm is absolutely acceptable in its speed to deliver a second shot.

Controls- For each of these handguns, the slide release is much easier to use than the forward position on the 1911. That is because of better engineering and a lighter recoil spring for a 9mm handgun. With my large hands, I bumped into the slide release by accident on the XD. In contrast, I had to hunt for the magazine release button into the grip on the Glock because they blend it into the stock. You can master it with practice, and they make extended magazine release buttons for the Glock.

I’m going to include this next comment in with controls because it affects how you handle the gun. The slide of the CZ is not very deep. The slide sits on top of the frame rather than wraps around it. The CZ also has an external hammer. It was harder to do a press check on the CZ than either of Glock or the XD because I had trouble getting a good grip on the slide. I couldn’t do a press check on the CZ if the hammer was down. This could be an issue with new shooters when they are learning to manipulate the slide of their firearm. The slide would be easier to manipulate if you have smaller hands. It isn’t a big issue, but it is a difference between the firearms. You won’t notice this issue after you’ve lived with the your gun for a month.

The CZ has a double action/ single action trigger system. That means you could carry it loaded and uncocked after you manually lower the external hammer. Your first trigger pull would be harder and longer, but the second pull would be single action only. I’m used to carrying a gun loaded, cocked and locked, so I don’t see the strong advantage of the double action trigger on the CZ, particularly when the CZ has a manual thumb safety to prevent negligent discharge.

I have long arms, so all the sights were too wide for me. By too wide I mean that the front blade filled up the notch in the rear sight. That is fine for target work, but not for everyday carry. A gunsmith can change sights. A gunsmith can change the weight and feel of a trigger. So each gun could be fitted to your preferences. Oddly enough, in slow fire I was most accurate with the Glock, and I think that was because of the slight difference in the sights that were fitted to this particular firearm.

As it came out of the box, I thought the XD had the best blend of features for a new shooter.

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Opening rant: It is time that we put “Sheepdogs, Sheep and Wolves” to bed.
1) Shepherds protect the flock. Sheepdogs take orders from shepherds and are nearly worthless without the training and direction that they get from the shepherds.
2) I am not a sheepdog. I am not your (or anyone elses) protector. If I witness you getting robbed, you are going to get robbed. Unless you are in imminent danger of being killed or permanently disabled I am going to try to be a good witness and try to help the police apprehend the bad guy by being a good witness. If I think that you are about to lose your life if I don’t act, I will act IF I CAN. I don’t carry for you, I carry for me and my family. If I am carrying at the time the crime is going on it means that YOU TOO have the ability to carry if you chose to. I don’t have a super duper license that allows me to carry in every circumstance everywhere. I have a South Dakota CPP, if you are in SD or a State that has reciprocity with SD you too can protect yourself.
3) I am not a sheep. I am aware of my surroundings. I am responsible for my own defense.
4) I am not a wolf. I am a card carrying good guy.
5) Unless you have taken an oath as a police officer you could easily make things a lot worse by getting involved. Please don’t delude yourself on citizens arrest. Also, are you SURE you are about to intervene on behalf of the good guy?
6) In our community we are really big on saying “whatever happened to personal responsibility?” when someone blames McDonald’s hot coffee for their own stupidity and wins a big settlement. The same question comes about when a criminal gets off with a light sentence for a heinous crime because he was abused as a child. Where is that same question when a person becomes a victim in a free state where he or she had the legal right to defend themselves? Didn’t the victim have the personal responsibility to take care of themselves including security? Don’t get me wrong here. I DO NOT want to start blaming victims for crimes. What I am saying is that if more people were protecting themselves the criminal population would dwindle dramatically because #1 the criminals don’t commit more crimes once they are incarcerated or in a grave, and #2 Once homey sees that a few of his friends are in jail for a long time and a few more are ventilated he might start thinking that going back to school might make the rest of his time on the planet a bit safer.
7) I have been accused a bit of being a jerk, and worse, for my stance. That is fine with me. The fact is that my #1 goal is to survive for my family. A few episodes ago we had a story about 2 men who entered a house that they didn’t live in and confronted a burglar. I was asked recently what would cause me to enter a house like that. To be honest not much. If my wife or member of my immediate family were in immediate danger and I knew that the police weren’t going to be there in time, then yes, of course. The number of people I would do that for on the face of the earth number less than 20, and most of them are directly related to me.
Am I a Sheep? No. Am I a Sheep Dog? No. I am Damn sure not a Wolf or a Shepherd. I am an independent and free citizen of the United States of America. I don’t fit into the little categories that you try to make so please don’t put me there.

(Commentary – And please feel free to let me have it if you think that I am full of it)
Rob- The original sheep versus sheepdog story was a simple contrast. Now you’ve gone and made it highbrow. You went from two pieces; sheep and sheepdog. Three pieces, sheep, sheepdog and shepard. You have four pieces, complacent citizens, criminal predators, law enforcement and a trained armed citizen who is self-controlled. Your description IS more accurate. But I see two problems with it.

First, most journalists and politicians aren’t smart enough to keep the characters straight until you put costumes and makeup on them. Second, how can you scare the public with a “return to the wild west with blood flowing in the streets” story if there are four characters. Public policy needs simple victims and heros. Your version is simply too complicated to make thrilling news or sound bites.

Oh, Paul… that is a good thing.
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Rachel: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here. The Shooting portion of the class is full, however you can still get in on the 2 day citizens rules of engagement. once completing the classroom portion you can get in touch with Chaz and schedule a Mag 20 live fire and complete the mag 40.

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob- Story #1 Ares Armor
Daniel Butcher is the Assistant U.S. Attorney that filed a response to temporary restraining order (TRO) obtained by Ares Armor against the ATF. He filed the response with a federal magistrate judge who allowed the raid to proceed. Butcher’s response conveniently “forgets” that the 80% lower receivers stocked and sold by Ares Armor are not generally considered firearms, according to the ATF’s own determination letters sent to numerous manufacturers over the years. Somehow, the all-important detail that the 80-percent polymer lower receivers have not been proven to be firearms didn’t seem to work it’s way into the DOJ’s “Factual Background” section of their response. I doubt the judge cares or will hold Attorney Butcher in contempt for misleading the court. If anything, Attorney Butcher sealed his nomination into a politically appointed DOJ position.

The owner of Ares Armor, Dimitrios Karras, has a sense of humor. The Ares website boasts that all of its products shipped this month have been personally inspected by the BATFE for product quality. Dimitrios is also a combat veteran. I also found out that the company pays employee bonuses in silver coins.

Paul- Oklahoma Sheriffs went to the state capitol to testify as they had in previous years.  This year, the 40 sheriffs met a surprising obstacle. They were turned away at the door because a state Senator complained they were armed.  Rather than disarm, the sheriffs went back to their counties and scheduled their testimony for another day.

(Rachel’s comments: (1) At least they were being consistent and applying the law equally to the sheriffs and to citizens, and (2) That’s *one* thing that Texas can hold over Oklahoma’s head at least for a little while longer: CHLers can carry in our Capitol building.)

Rob- http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th.  Connecticut deserves our support.

Rachel – Jacksonville College in East Texas wanted to increase campus safety, and allow employees to carry guns on campus. That’s when they hired chief of security Mike Morse, and began a security agency on campus. Morse is now teaching security officer certification, and concealed handgun classes. “We had a desire to provide courses to the community, and one of the needs we heard was handgun licenses.” Classes are available to the students, teachers, and entire community.

Paul- Armed baristas in Spokane, Washington

– Jitterz Java has had 3 break-ins in the past month
– Employees are now arming themselves with the approval and encouragement of the owner, Sara Chapel
– Employee Krystal Cogswell: “Before, I never felt an immediate threat, so I would just have it off to the side or somewhere hidden. But now I feel like if someone can see it, maybe it will just deter it right then and there and I won’t ever have to use it,” she explained.
– Customers have been overwhelmingly supportive. Only one complaint.
– Spokane Police said it is completely legal as long as the employees who are armed are 18 and older and do not have any prior convictions that restrict them from using firearms.

Rachel- It turns out that Delaware citizens don’t lose all their civil rights when they accept public housing.  This time their rights are protected by the Delaware constitution more so than the US constitution.  The Delaware Supreme Court read from the Delaware Constitution’s right to bear arms provision- “A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use” and the court noted that this language may justify broader protection than that given by the Second Amendment.  It looks like some of the Delaware housing projects will comply, but some housing administrators are crafting new regulations.  Two steps forward, and one step back, but it is progress.

Rob: Gun Quotes (here are two of them, so take your pick of great women on Wednesdays)

How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of.  – Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with lots of news about self-defense news in New Jersey. We start with an interview with Frank Fiamingo.  But first, here is a message a sponsor.

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Rob- That was a fascinating interview with Frank.  The link to the James Kaleda defense fund is at indiegogo.com  He needs another 10 thousand dollars for his defense, and he needs it in the next ten day.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund  Please donate $10 if that is all you can afford.  Please put in something to let James know he is not alone in this battle for our rights.  (Any comments?)

The issue of firearms restrictions is not that complex.  People are not criminals because they have 15 cartridges in their magazine versus 10 rounds.  The Youtube video of 9 year old firearms competitor Shyanne Roberts testifying at the Assembly hearing went viral.  Shayanne gets it.

Here is a one minute clip from my friend Anthony Colandro testifying at the New Jersey Assembly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUE6N5q65eQ&feature=youtu.be   He states that “he will not comply” with the new firearms restrictions.  For the last 20 years we have been in an era when laws are too numerous to know or obey.  Now we are entering an era when more and more citizens deliberately refuse to comply.  (comments?)
Paul- We have to go to break.
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Segment 6 DGUs
The chat room warriors contributed this, and thank you to them- “When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” Thomas Jefferson

Rob- A man was shot and killed early Monday morning as he was attempting to burglarize a home northwest of Corvallis, Montana.  The resident was awakened by noises around his home shortly before 4 a.m..  When he went to investigate, he found someone climbing through a window.  When the resident ordered the man to not move, the suspect turned toward him. The resident was armed with a handgun and shot the intruder, who then jumped back through the broken window and ran away from the home.  The intruder was later found dead near the home.  The dead man, Tobias Ian Bishop, age 39, had a long criminal history and was wanted on an outstanding warrant.  Bishop had burglarized several other properties in the area and had several stolen chainsaws stashed near his van.

Paul: Police say that one man is in critical condition after attempting to break into an Apache Junction Arizona Home. Three men gathered in the back of a home when they were noticed by the homeowner on surveillance video. Those gathered out back began to kick the back door. The homeowner grabbed a shotgun and one other person inside the house was armed with a handgun. Once the second person was illuminated with a laser sight, the homeowner and the second person in the home opened fire. The 3 attackers fled. one of them, 19 year old Sal Anthony Almos only made it to the neighbors yard where he collapsed from a shotgun wound to the groin and upper legs. Almos was taken into custody, and he later told investigators that the attackers were heavily armed and had zip ties and “were ready for whatever” I am thinking that a shotgun blast to the groin wasn’t included in whatever. Also the picture on the webpage that reports the story has a mug shot of an apparently easily standing Almos, something I seriously doubt he can do while in critical condition in a hospital, so it appears that this isn’t his first rodeo.

Rachel- Police are investigating the homicide of a 26-year-old man who was shot after police say he brandished a handgun and sexually assaulted a woman. The name of the man has not been released pending notification of family members. It happened around 9:25 p.m., Thursday, in the 3800 block of North Rampart Street [New Orelans LA]. Police said the 26-year-old man approached a man and woman as they were walking. They said he then produced a gun and demanded that they walk to a building that was being renovated. Once they entered the yard, investigators say, the man sexually assaulted the woman at which time the adult male disarmed the man and fatally shot him… (Once a gain, we see how much more common it is for a criminal to get shot with his own gun, by a victim, than vice versa.) http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/man-fatally-shot-in-new-orleans/24970126

Rachel – student speaks out against being disarmed
– University of Cincinnati campus
– engineering student came across 4 students being attacked on campus, jumped in to help them
– ended up beaten, hospitalized
– “One of the victims said that the area was usually safe, so the Saturday night assault was very surprising.”
– Good Samaritan said: “I’m personally a concealed carry permit holder. I’m not allowed to carry on campus so I’m not going to do that, but at the same time if the university is not going to provide significant resources to provide us the safety we need then at least let me take care of myself with it.
– The university’s response: send out safety ambassadors to create a “welcoming and engaging environment.”
– My response: any school that fails to exercise its right to authorize carry on -campus is responsible for any harm that comes to disarmed students, staff, or civilians.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Tips and tricks segment : Kathy Jackson’s reply to our feedback on episode 220

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Rob: I received this from one of my readers and I like what he said. He calls it “the Equal Protection Amendment”
1. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may keep or bear any arms except those that may be borne by all law abiding competent adult citizens both in his place of residence and in the location of his office.
2. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may be protected by any personal arms he is barred from keeping under the previous article.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!  Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and give our friend Chaz over at the roadgunner podcast a listen, he just put out a great episode with Daniel shaw of Gunfightercast fame.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 212 – Joe Kalil and Miguel Gonzalez

Stinger- You’re listening to the Polite Society Podcast.
Intro- Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society. This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded Sunday, February 16, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rob: I’m Rob, and on tonights show we interviewed Joe Kalil who is working on a program to arm and train Kentucky school teachers.
Paul: Rob also interviewed Miguel Gonzalez about violent riots in Venezuela where citizens are disarmed,so climb aboard
Rob:strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 212 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant
Please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in Centerton Arkansas in early March.
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Paul: A three judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Courts affirmed the right of law-abiding citizens to carry handguns for lawful protection in public.  The case was brought because  San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore had some very stringent requirement before he would grant a concealed carry license.  He required that each citizens demonstrate he faced a specific and immediate threat to his life or his application would be rejected.  Some judges agreed with him.  Some did not.

The trial court said the Sheriff knew best.  The Appeals Court said that citizens didn’t need concealed carry because they have open carry.  Then California outlawed Open Carry.

The 9th Circuit Court ruled that self-defense is sufficient cause to issue a license.  In a 2-1 opinion, the judges ruled that the Sheriff’s “good cause” provision violated the Second Amendment.  The district court has 14 days to render its reversal unless Sheriff Gore appeals the decision.

Rob: Of course those requirements don’t apply to lawyers in San Diego County.  Lawyers can get permits.  I’ve spoken with San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore.  I’ve heard him speak several times.  Each time he says he wants to issue CCW permits, but is blocked from doing so by state law.  Now we have hard legal evidence the Sheriff is wrong and that he can issue permits.  If he was telling the truth before, then this decision should be great news for Sheriff Gore.  We will see if he has been lying before and appeals the decision now.

I’ve heard conflicting reports on an appeal and I’ll hold my comments until I have solid news.

Paul: The state of Arizona could impose fines on cities and towns that enforce gun ordinances stricter than the state’s own laws. House Bill 2517, sponsored by Rep. Steve Smith, would impose a civil penalty of up to $5,000 on city and town governments that violate the statute. Smith said he wants the state “to have some teeth” in enforcing the law.  The legislature has repeatedly clarified its preemption over the regulation of both firearms and knives.  Arizona gun owners should call.

-Rob: In Idaho, Senator Marv Hagedorn wrote a bill that would punish law enforcement officials if they helped enforce any new federal firearms restrictions. The 2013 version passed in the Idaho House but died in an Idaho Senate Committee. This year Hagedorn is trying a different strategy by trying to get the bill passed in the Senate before heading to the Idaho House where the bill should have a better chance of passage.

-The Republican majority of the Idaho Senate State Affairs Committee overwhelmingly approved a measure which would allow citizens with Idaho’s enhanced carry license to carry concealed firearms onto public college campuses.  The bill has to go before the House and full Senate.  Some school administrators claimed blood would flow in the streets.. again.

-A vocal group of Indiana parents wants school employees to be able to carry a gun on campus.  Eight parents and community members spoke out to Twin Lakes school board members. They want school staff to be able to carry a concealed firearm on school grounds in order to protect the children in a time of need. However, the board heard a policy that would keep that from happening. The policy states that no school employee, volunteer, or school board member, even if they’re licensed in the state to carry a gun, should possess or handle one on school grounds.

That policy of unilateral disarmament is against the guidance of the best minds studying public violence.  Does the school board have any idea the liability they just assumed?

-Also in Indiana, should a sworn police officer be allowed to carry a gun on school property if he’s working there as a private citizen? A grounds keeper for Concord Community Schools says his status as an Elkhart County reserve officer means he can. But the Concord superintendent says that officer violated school policy and broke the law. On January 28, Rick Ball went into work at Concord. All of the corporation’s schools were closed because of weather, but as a grounds worker he still had to be there. That same day, Ball was involved in a car accident in a school vehicle and that’s when his boss found out Ball was carrying a gun. That supervisor reported the firearm to the school superintendent who met with Ball at the end of the week and told him he would either be fired or forced to resign.  As an Elkhart County Sheriff’s reserve deputy, Ball has a badge and gun and can arrest anyone at anytime. The only thing that makes him different from other deputies is the fact that he’s not paid for any of his service to the department – it’s all volunteer work.

This sounds like anti-gun bigotry to me.

It sounds like the school superintendent has too much time and money on his hands.

-Kansas gun owners would be able to carry a loaded handgun in cars regardless of whether they have a conceal-carry permit if a bill headed to the House floor becomes law. HB2473 would make gun laws uniform throughout the state by preventing local governments from enacting or enforcing regulations. The bill, sponsored by Rep. Jim Howell, R-Derby, passed without opposition in the Federal and State Affairs Committee on Wednesday. Rep. Michael Houser, R-Columbus, offered an amendment – which also passed without opposition – that would make it legal for all Kansans to carry a loaded handgun inside their automobiles. This treats a car as an extension of one’s home.

-Most were expecting an old-time argument with proponents and opponents facing off over New Hampshire House Bill 1589 to require background checks for all sales of firearms.  That never happened.  The House spent an hour-and-a-half in parliamentary maneuvering before finally killing the bill 242 to 118.

The vote wasn’t close.

-Athens County, Ohio Sheriff Pat Kelly made headlines a few weeks ago.  He refused to renew some current concealed handgun license-holders if the license holder had ever been arrested or charged.  The state Attorney General said that is a misapplication of Ohio law, but the Sheriff persists.  Now Sheriff Kelly has been indicted by a grand jury on 25 counts.  The Sheriff claims he is innocent of fraud and misuse of public funds, but by his own criteria, will he turn in his license to carry?

Laws for the Sheriff and different laws for us?

-Vets are being denied gun ownership.  Merely signing your financial affairs over to your spouse while you are deployed is now being used as cause for the VA to declare a veteran “incompetent”.  The VA sent out letters telling vets to turn in their guns and relinquish his 2nd Amendment Rights, or face going to prison.  Some vets have successfully appealed that decision to the FBI to have the unajudicated VA report of incompetence removed from their NICS file.

-The Connecticut Police are quite slow in arresting one of their own.  A Bridgeport police officer who accidentally shot himself in the leg in a crowded bagel shop has been arrested on a gun charge. State police said they charged 55-year-old Juan Santiago of Bridgeport with unlawful discharge of a firearm in connection with the Dec. 17 incident at the Bagel King on Main Street. Troopers say Santiago was sitting with three other Bridgeport officers when he mishandled a pistol that fired a shot [sic] through his left thigh. No one else was injured. Santiago was treated at a hospital. Local firearms owners protested the double standard of how a civilian would be charge with a negligent discharge versus a law enforcement officer.

Laws for them and laws for us?

-Reading, Writing and Firearms Responsibility- Knowing how to handle a gun is a vital part of being a responsible owner.. so a south Georgia technical college is working to make sure people buying guns know how to use them safely. The Southwest Georgia Technical College offers the NRA basic pistol course.  That course includes both classroom and range training for $70. The instructor says more women are signing up for the classes.

Rob: Compare this with Los Angeles area junior colleges where the NRA course was recently forbidden, and with Georgia that wants training to improve firearms safety.  Also note that Georgia does not require training to receive a carry license.

-“There are a lot of untrained people out there,” said former Riverton Police Captain and and gun safety instructor Mark Stone of Riverton, Wyoming. That’s a situation he would like to change.  Wyoming is now a “Constitutional Carry state so residents do not require training requirement to carry firearms or to receive a concealed carry license.  Captain Stone suggests training, and 60 to 65 percent of his students have been women.

I agree with Captain Stone.  Please get training.

-The Wyoming House advanced HB 111 to allow local school boards to permit teachers and other school workers who hold concealed carry permits to carry their guns at schools.

Representative Kendell Kroeker spoke against the bill. He co-sponsored another bill that would allow anyone who holds a concealed carry permit, not only school employees, to bring guns onto school and college campuses.

Toto, I don’t think we’re not in California any more.
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-Wyoming is leading a coalition of 19 states asking the U.S. Supreme Court to let them submit a brief supporting a New Jersey man’s challenge to New Jersey’s concealed weapons law.

The Wyoming Attorney General’s Office, acting as lawyer for Wyoming and the other states, asked the Supreme Court to grant a hearing challenging a recent appeals court ruling.  The brief says Wyoming and the other states are concerned that if the appeals court ruling stands, it could threaten their less-restrictive concealed carry laws.

-An Anne Arundel County Maryland police spokesman said the police department is re-examining its weapons policy. Last week an officer’s car was broken into in front of his home.  The officer noticed a department issued Colt 223 rifle, a Sig Sauer SRT 40-caliber handgun, ammunition and a ballistic vest were missing.

Would you leave your weapons in your car overnight?

-Remington Arms said they are opening a new plant in Alabama.  The existing plant in Ilion (ill-e-on), NY would remain open, but with reduced staff.

I’ll buy Remington equipment again when they close their plants in New York.

Gun Quote of the day- “Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it’s not an individual right or that it’s too much of a public safety hazard, don’t see the danger in the big picture. They’re courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don’t like.” Professor Alan M. Dershowitz

#2 As I have stood in the crosshairs of those who target Second Amendment freedoms, I’ve realized that firearms are not the only issue. No, it’s much, much bigger than that. I’ve come to understand that a cultural war is raging across our land, in which, with Orwellian fervor, certain acceptable thoughts and speech are mandated. — Charlton Heston

We have two interviews for you.  We interviewed Joe Kalil who advocates arming teachers in Kentucky.  Joe is an airline pilot and wants to use the same stringent guidelines used when qualifying armed pilots in a program to arm teachers.  We first heard about Joe from a listener tip.  His site is POST Ky.com

We also interviewed Miguel Gonzalez about violent riots in Venezuela where citizens are disarmed.  The police shoot unarmed protesters and throw opposition politicians in jail.  Miguel is from Venezuela and writes the blog “Gun Free Zone”.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 4 DGUs
DGU- Houston Police Department Officer J. Johnson was just leaving the movies with his girlfriend, when a sedan pulled up next to them.  One of the the men in the car pointed a handgun at the couple. Officer Johnson drew his concealed firearm and fired several shots at the vehicle.  The vehicle was sped away, but turned up a short time later at an area hospital. Two of the three occupants of the car were treated for non life threatening gunshot wounds and the third person was taken into custody by police. All three suspects are charged with aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon.  The officer and his girlfriend were not harmed.

DGU- The owner of a Rocky Mount North Carolina convenience store shot and wounded one of three armed men who tried to rob his store.  Three men entered Mix Mart at about 9 p.m. Two of the men were armed with handguns while the third suspect attempted to rob the 43-year-old man.  The three suspects fled when the store owner drew his own handgun and fired.  Police soon found an 18 year old shooting victim and flew him to a nearby medical center where he is listed in critical condition.

DGU- Two men were trying to break into a Houston, Texas Smoke Box.  The store was closed, but the manager was still inside.  The manager retrieved a gun and confronted the suspects when he shot one of the suspects in the head.  The suspect was transported to Ben Taub Hospital and the other suspect was taken into custody.

DGU- This is from my friend Jennifer Cruz at the Gun Rights Examiner-
An attempted robbery Sunday morning in Lincolnville, South Carolina ended fatally for the suspect after the 76-year-old intended victim shot him with a .38 revolver.  Charles Petit was walking towards his car when he was confronted by 25-year-old Robert Deziel. It wasn’t the first time that Petit, a jewelry store owner, had been robbed.  Petit was knocked to the ground with Deziel on top of him while the younger Dezel attempted to shock him with a stun gun.  The 76-year old Petit drew his own gun.  Quote, “I shot about three times before I hit him because he had me on the ground trying to tase me.”  Police found the mugger lying on the front of the carport, where he was pronounced dead.

DGU- 28 year old Stephan Aceves (ACE-VEZZ) knocked on a stranger’s house in west Pasco, Washington around 2:30 Friday morning.  One of the occupants is a security guard at a nearby nuclear site.  He retrieved his firearm and shouted for the intruder to go away.  Acevez entered the front of the house and the occupant, fired several shots.  Police found Aceves dead in the front yard.  The guard lived at the home with his girlfriend and young children.

DGU- Neilsson Owens, 41, was shot and arrested after witnesses caught him red handed. Neilsson was caught stealing copper from an apartment complex after witnesses heard some racket coming from the basement.. twice.  they went back the second and found Owens trying to steal the copper. “One of the witnesses had a gun. They were in the process of escorting Owen from underneath the apartment complex and they were in the process of calling the police when Mr. Owens started a struggle and he reached for the gun and that’s when one of the witnesses shot him in the leg,” said Lt. McDuffie. http://fox10tv.com/2014/02/11/suspect-shot-caught-stealing-copper/

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Segment 5 Show close
Tips and tricks segment with Kathy Jackson.
Paul: We don’t have any specific emails to talk about this episode, but I do want to talk a little bit about some feedback I have gotten personally about my run for office.
Rob: You might compromise your methods, but not your principles.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.
Rob: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Paul: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here. The shooting portion of the class is full, but there are seats for the Mag 20 classroom still available.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new blog posts you want to mention?
Rob: I commented on the Ninth Circuit decision and Sheriff Gore at my SlowFacts blog

Rob: Please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. There is also going to be a giveaway in June for Bob’s S&W Shield. All members of the shooters club are automatically entered to win. By joining you do help our show.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and don’t forget Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Paul: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 210 – Bob Owens and Anthony Colandro

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Catch up with each participant
Paul: We’re joined by Rachel Malone.
Rachel: Getting ready for 2A lobbying at the Texas State political conventions. Help set the tone at the primary rather than the general.
Rob: I remembered where I keep my guns, and put them on so I’d remember what it feels like. That is dry practice. Sort of.
Paul: Doing the firearms twostep as I drive from state to state. Leaving Illinois and heading to Georgia.
Tom: Bought a Ruger Mk I but have not shot it yet. I’m going to leave the show. I’ll tell you when I announce my new projects. I’m excited about the Polite Society meeting in two weeks. I’ll shoot either my Springfield XD or Baby Eagle. Both are 40 cal.
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Tom: This article on police no-knock raids is from the Washington Post which included videos of a raid that took place in Des Moines, Iowa.  The homeowner was accused of credit card fraud.  He was sitting in the bathroom when his door was broken in.  He drew his firearm, heard the police announce themselves, re-holstered his weapon and sat back down to wait for the police.
The homeowner says he didn’t hear the police announcement until after one officer had already tried to kick in the door. Had that officer been successful in entering the first time, there’s a good chance that the homeowner, the police officer, or both would be dead. The police department would then have argued that the homeowner should have known that the people crashing into his home were law enforcement. Excuse me?!

The police can not simultaneously argue that these violent entries are necessary to take suspects by surprise and also claim the surprised suspects should not react violently because they already know they are being raided police rather than criminals. That line of pure propaganda is exactly what the police are selling. When citizens are injured, that is the propaganda that most prosecutors and judges are buying.

Des Moines police said they “do not have a written policy governing how search warrants are executed.” The Washington Post said that’s inexcusable.

Rachel -One Texas grand jury isn’t buying the no-knock excuses any more.  The grand jury in Burleson County refused to issue an indictment for murder after a drug dealer shot and killed a deputy during a no-knock raid.  The defendant, Henry Goedrich Magee was indicted on drug charges.  Magee said he thought the deputy was burglarizing their home and that Magee and his pregnant girlfriend were being robbed.

As a purely practical matter, it appears that Magee was growing several marijuana plants in his backyard.  That evidence wasn’t going to fit down the toilet while the police are knocking on the front door and presenting a warrant.

Rob – I guess I could mail in this news article.  The US senate took a baby step towards freedom when they required the US post office to allow firearms in their parking lots.  There has never been a federal law preventing guns in post offices, but the US post office has established its own regulations denying you arms.. and they have more lawyers than we do.

Paul:  But not more lawyers than the US senate.

Paul: -This is a case of putting your hands and feet where your heart guides you. Guns for Everyone was founded in 2010 as a joke.. until lawmakers in the Colorado legislature decided to write so many anti-gun laws.  Then, Guns for Everyone started offering free firearms training.  Their free training includes free kids handgun safety classes, and some of the classes are taught BY youngsters.  “What better way for kids to learn than with the help of other kids. These classes are also supervised by an NRA Certified Instructor.”  The class outline is pretty serious.

  • Handgun Rules and Etiquette
  • Handgun Safety
  • Fundamentals of Shooting
  • The kids get to shoot simulated guns

Their website is Concealed Carry for Free.com

Rachel: – Another piece of good news from Colorado, a bill received bi-partisan approval for CCW permit renewals in the county where you live.  Before it was the county where the permit was issued, so licensees could have quite a drive if they moved across the state.

Tom: -Two good Samaritans in Florida were trying to do a kid a favor by offering him a ride.  They quickly found themselves the victims of an attempted armed robbery or carjacking.

From the back seat of the car, Adrian Mangual-Ayala put a gun to their heads and threatened to kill the driver and passenger if they didn’t give him money.  The driver stopped the car and gave Ayala his money.  That is when the passenger jumped in the backseat and disarmed Manguel-Ayala, beating him so badly that his eye swelled shut.  The two good samaritans then held the gunman until the police arrived.  Authorities arrested 16 year old Mangual-Ayala on two counts of robbery with a firearm, unlawful possession of a firearm as well as violation of probation.

It isn’t a DGU, but I wanted to share a story with a happy ending.  Next time, carry concealed.

Rob: – Here is another Florida story with a happy ending, and it IS gun related.  Less than a week after Florida Carry filed its lawsuit, Eastern Florida State College revised its regulations to allow firearms in private vehicles on campus.  Florida Carry won a similar suit last December against the University of North Florida.  The reason these schools settled so fast is that Florida state law grants financial penalties against public entities and individuals who violate the rights of gun and defensive weapon owners.  Thank you, Florida Legislature and keep it up Florida Carry.

Paul: – Dennis Baxley is a Republican state representative in Florida.  He introduced a bill to protect children from being expelled due to educators “zero tolerance” of anything shaped like a gun in schools.  The representative calls it the “Pop-Tart Bill” after students were suspended for eating a corner of a poptart.

The bill would prohibit schools from taking disciplinary action for a range of possible infringements including vocalizing gun sounds, using hands to simulate a weapon, possessing a toy firearm made of legos, possessing a toy firearm that is smaller than two inches in length, and possessing a food item that resembles a firearm in shape.  The bill has received the support of the Florida House education Subcommittee which includes several educators and at least one Democrat.

Rachel: -South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley said she is eager to sign a bill working its way through the legislature to allow licensed gun owners to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol, though they can not consume while carrying.  Restraunt owners have the right to prohibit firearms in their businesses, but Governor Haley said she’d allow guns in if she owned a bar.

I knew there was a reason I like South Carolina.  South Carolina listeners should make a few phone calls and get that bill on the Governor’s desk.

Tom: Darn it, now I have to choose between South Carolina and Florida.  Nicki Goser help get the laws changed in Tennessee.

Rob: Did you know that the records of Florida license holders are NOT open to the public?  Plus-one for Florida.

Rachel: What about Texas?

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Tom: Then how about New Mexico where a State Senate panel rejected a bill restricting firearms in the New Mexico Capitol. The Rules Committee voted 4-2 Wednesday against a measure that would have banned firearms, except by law enforcement officers, in the Senate chambers, galleries and committee rooms.

Rob: – Things aren’t so rosy in California.  U.S. District Judge Kimberly J. Mueller, an Obama appointed judge, will review California’s microstamping law as early as next week.  The state law demands civilian firearms must leave a unique mark on each shell casing.  Manufacturers say they can’t guarantee the microstamping, but the California Department of Justice and Attorney General Kamala Harris say the solution is to prohibit sales of all non-complying guns.  They state claims they didn’t outlaw the guns, they simply made requirements so no guns can be sold in the state.

There is stupid, and then there is California Stupid.. and I live there.

Paul: -This politician is telling the truth.  John Tkazyik, the mayor of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., said he quit the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns after he realized its objective was outright confiscation of firearms from law-abiding citizens.  “Under the guise of helping mayors facing a crime and drug epidemic, MAIG intends to promote confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens,” Tkazyik wrote in a Wednesday column in the Poughkeepsie Journal.  Mayor Tkazyik is one of about 50 mayors who left Illegal Mayors Against Guns.

Rachel: -This came item came from listener David Cole.  It is hard enough to become a commercial pilot.  It is doubly difficult to earn the right to fly armed for the defense of the aircraft, passengers and crew.  The Armed Pilots Program is one of the most rigorous, stringent and exclusive programs to put firearms in the hands of civilians, but that is the model Joe Kalil selected when he wanted to bring armed self-defense to public and private schools.  The project is called P.O.S.T. for Protect Our Students and Teachers, and it is a layered defense against an active murderer on school grounds.    Experts on public violence have moved far beyond the model of huddle and pray, but some school administrators remain stuck in the past.  The basics of the POST program include; only accept volunteers from school staff, pass initial interviews, background checks, drug tests, a polygraph test, and applicants must possess a state license to carry concealed.  That is before the several day training course begins.

Here is the good part.  This a non-political grass roots program that says we should remove the school board members who want to leave our children defenseless.  The program is initially directed at Kentucky schools, but could grow across the country.  Interested listeners should check out postky.org

Rob: I spoke with Joe Kalil.  Liability is not really an issue.

Tom: Gun Quotes
“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.” written 1700 years ago by the theologian Saint Augustine (Au-GUS-tin) of Hippo

Rob: We have two interviews coming up.  The first is Bob Owens talking about the terrible politicization of Connecticut gun laws.  The second is Anthony Colandro running for the NRA board of directors.

Paul: Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this.
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Segment 3  Interview with Bob Owens who writes at Bearing Arms.com
Interview with Anthony Colandro who owns Gun For Hire Range in Woodland Park, New Jersey  and is running for the NRA board of directors.

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob: DGU1- by an off duty officer.  Robert Lundy was at the wrong place at the wrong time.  He was at the local ford dealership in Taylor county Florida so his police car could be serviced.  A fifteen year employee of the dealership came in and started shooting people with a shotgun.  (Joe Biden, take note.)  Officer Lundy shot the madman within a minute and prevented a massacre.   Thank goodness there was a good man with a gun in the right place at the right time.

Rachel: DGU2- A DeKalb County, Georgia, woman came home early Tuesday and found two teenagers in her home.  Better late than never, she grabbed her gun.  One teen ran out the back door and the other tackled her to the ground. The woman fired several shots, but no one was injured.  , according to police. A neighbor’s security camera captured the teens, and the woman was able to lead police to the suspects.  DeKalb County police arrested a 16-year-old and a 17-year-old, whose names were not released.  “They were skipping school today,” Capt. Stephen Fore said.

Paul: You can share the show with a friend by sending them the link to our download page. You can also share any of our news or DGUs. We have the links to each article online at Polite Society Podcast.com
Segment 5 Show close
Tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson talking about cold weather carry.

Listener e-mail discussion
Paul: From Marc in Ohio
Guys,
I am a father of four girls with a baby on the way. I just listened to the Bold Departure Podcast episode with you guys as guests. Thank you guys for having a very frank discussion. Kids require parenting not legislation.
I’m going to expose my method of firearm instruction for my kids. My kids’ ages are 13, 11, 8 and 5. All of them shoot to some degree. The youngest doesn’t even aim but she enjoys some trigger time. They all shoot .22 pistols and rifles. My 13 year old started shooting the .40 caliber pistol last year. They all shoot the AR. I realize our vice president’s opinion of the AR is it’s difficult to shoot but my 5 year old does just fine. All my girls have their own safety glasses and hearing protection. None of them have ever been forced to shoot. When I announce I’m headed out to shoot Who ever speaks up gets to come. Sometimes all of them come sometimes only one will come. Occasionally they ask me to take them shooting.
Play guns have no rules at our house. They are toys and are used as such. Real guns have rules. My rule is the girls can handle any gun they want any time they want. The catch is mom or dad must make it safe first. Once in awhile one of the kids gets the itch to hold one of my EDC guns. They ask to hold it. I make it safe and hand it to them. I watch their muzzle discipline with amazement. They all understand the potential energy of firearms. They respect them and enjoy the shooting.
I was asked recently by my youngest to look at my Glock 22. I removed the mag and locked the slide back. I handed it to her. My 5 year old pointed the pistol at the ground, turned her body and raised the muzzle towards the field in back of the house. She makes some shooting noises. She will point the muzzle back at the floor and turn to hand it back to me. It’s amazing to see.
My kids see myself and their mother every day. There is no curiosity to be satisfied. They can touch any weapon they want any time it’s made safe. Just to make sure we don’t misjudge, all firearms are on our person or in the safe.

I have a great story to share. A police officer friend tells me about a ground hog in his back yard. He decided he needed to shoot this ground hog. He retrieved his service rifle from his cruiser. When he walked through his home carrying his M-16 his 10 year old daughter gasp in fear. She assumed terrible things were going to happen with daddy carrying that scary gun. In contrast, when I walk through my house carrying an AR I usually hear cheers and chants of, “Can I Come”. My kids know it’s time to go shooting!

Keep representing gun owners in a positive light.
Marc in Ohio.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Tom: That’s 605- 215- 1438 and we sprinkled salt on it so the answering machine has more traction.

Tom: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in early March.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Tom: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Colorado Second Amendment Association, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Paul, That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 196 – Frank Fiamingo as Co-Host

Open: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded on Sunday Jan 5 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Tom: I’m Tom and on tonights show we have a monster news segment
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have several DGU stories, including a revisit to a recent one.
Frank: I’m Frank Jack Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, they talked me into joining this train wreck, so Climb Aboard
Tom: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 196 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Paul: we were talking with Toby last night, and he is trying to corner the ammunition market the Omaha area. He’s busy paying the bills and working today.
Rob: I shot a handgun steel match yesterday, and finally ran some solvent through my Mosin Nagant. The gods of firearms are no longer scowling at me.
Frank- Will shoot with Bill Anderson of Chasing New Jersey on Monday.
Tom: Went to an indoor range to try out our new Christmas toys. My S. O. loves her compact 9mm. I rented a glock because I’ve never shot many of them. Shot the G-19 and G-21. Thought the G-21 is too fat for my hands. Range USA has a date night!
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Frank: Gov. Chris Christie’s administration doesn’t want to touch its anti-gun agenda in court. To distance himself, the New Jersey Governor had a county prosecutor’s defend the state’s anti-handgun law before the New Jersey Supreme Court.  If you’re not familiar with New Jersey politics, please understand that a deaf girl-scout could defend New Jersey laws in front of that State court.  A spokesman for the Republican governor, along with the Monmouth County prosecutor’s office and attorney general’s office all claim it is not unusual for a county prosecutor to defend a law before the State Supreme Court.

It is more likely that Christie does not want to call attention to the state’s restrictive gun policy because of his political ambitions for the 2016 presidential election.

Tom – Florida gun owners need to call their legislators.  Malicious prosecutors abuse Florida’s “Three Strikes Law” their 10-20-LIFE law, by using the law against Florida gun owners who threaten to use deadly force in self-defense.  The 10-20-LIFE law was intended to force prosecutors to press charges against repeat criminals.  Senator Greg Evers sponsored Florida Senate bill SB-448 to prevent malicious prosecution of Florida gun owners.  The NRA ILA asks Florida gun owners to write their legislators.  The link on Florida SB-448 is in our show notes and available at NRA ILA.

Paul – Listener Chris G  saw the picture of hundreds of Connecticut firearms owners standing in line to register their weapons and posted the picture on our facebook page.  The picture has been compared to the historic pictures of gun registration in nazi Germany.  We interviewed Kitty Worthman on our show, and she witnessed nazi gun registrations and confiscations first hand.  We include her commentary and video in our show notes.  The comparisons between Connecticut and Germany are not as far fetched as they might sound.  Over 30 thousand Connecticut firearms owners have registered their guns and magazines as required by state law.  This registration was designed to punish lawful firearms owners and will have zero effect on crime or the actions of the mentally ill.  This is what the voters of Connecticut inflicted on their fellow citizens.Gun-lines-firearm-gun-registration_1388417797521_4955477_ver1.0_640_480

Rob – Speaking of the mentally ill, President Obama wrote executive orders limiting the gun-rights of mental health patients and making the Justice Department and HHS revise regulation submiting mental health patients to the National Instant Background Check system.  There is a natural antagonism between patient confidentiality, legal due process, and prompt reporting of the dangerously mentally ill.  Congress looked at these issues and declined to act.

 Frank- A proposed Utah law defines disorderly conduct with a firearm as the firearm being outside a holster. The author of the bill, republican resentative Paul Ray said, “If someone is carrying a gun around in their hand they can be cited.”  Representative Ray sponsored similar legislation in years past.

 Tom- On a happier note from the Salt Lake City area, gun manufacturer Desert Tech refused a mufti-million dollar sale of precision rifles to Pakistan.  Company president Mike Davis declined the sale because of his concerns their weapons could be used against US troops in Afghanistan.  Most US casualties in the war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda occur in the Afghan regions bordering Pakistan.  Thank you, Desert Tech.

 Paul – Detroit Police Chief James Craig said armed civilians reduce crime.  That is an amazing statement since most chiefs are appointed by politicians rather than elected by the voters.  The chief said similar things over the last several weeks during radio interviews and press conferences.  That’s good if it continues, and I hope Chief Craig isn’t told to change his mind.

 Rob- Doctor John Lott weighs in on the New York SAFE act that was recently upheld in Federal District Court.  The judge claims he upheld the law based on testimony by academic Chris Koper who claimed crime with assault weapons went down after the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994.  Doctor Lott cites Koper’s later research which said “we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence. And, indeed, there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence.”  As one judge told me, you generally decide a case using your emotions and then scrape together some facts to bolster your conclusion.  A- yeap.

Frank- There is some good news on the legal front from Florida.  Several well publicized court cases from Florida questioned a firearm owner’s right to stand their ground when faced with a clear threat of great bodily harm.  A Florida Appeals court overturned a verdict and confirmed a citizen’s right to stand their ground.  The court found that the defendants had every legal right to be where they were, faced a threat, and that the lower court should have overturned the verdict against them.  Sometimes the courts get one right.

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Tom- Illinois citizens can finally apply for concealed carry licenses.  Now, Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart complains he can not stop every citizen with a criminal record from receiving a Firearms Owners ID card and eventually a concealed carry permit.  Illinois state law clearly states the number and type of infractions that preclude a citizen from obtaining a license to carry.  Frankly it sounds like Sheriff Dart wants to write his own laws.  I wonder if he can be trusted to enforce Illinois law as written by the legislature and interpreted by the courts.

Paul- It’s cold outside, and this story is easy to understand, though it isn’t easy to explain.  Washington DC tow truck driver Corey Stoddard was attacked by Kevin Crouch in the tow impound lot.  Crouch had a firearm and pointed his pistol at Stoddard.  Stoddard ran and fell.  While on the ground, Crouch beat Stoddard on the head with his pistol.  Stoddard threw his wallet in one direction and again ran to his nearby tow truck.  Stoddard hit Crouch with the truck.. and was later charged with second degree murder.  Crouch has previous carjacking convictions along with assault and gun charges.  The DC prosecutor must show that a tow truck can outrun a pistol bullet.  I think you shouldn’t bring a handgun to a truck fight.

Rob: Concealed carry licenses increased by 6 percent in California. That is an increase of 30,000.  California is not gun-friendly, but some California counties are shall issue.  Calguns and the Second Amendment Foundation helped with their Sunshine and Compliance initiatives.  Together these organizations asked California sheriffs their criteria for granting concealed carry licenses.   Sometimes they took the sheriff to court to get that information.  Next, they reviewed the applications citizens submitted to the sheriff’s written criteria.  They held the sheriffs to their word.  Thank you, Calguns and SAF.  I’m glad to see California citizens take up the right of self-defense where they can, and wrote about it on my blog.

Frank- More Fast and Furious guns are involved in drug cartel murders.  These murders were in Mexico at the seaside resort in Pureto Peñasco in mid- December.  The guns were originally sold in the fall of 2010 to mexican smugglers with the help of the BATFE and FBI.  No federal agents have been charged and tried for their illegal activities.

Tom- From the “We told you so” file- Corporate officials at Magpul said they would leave Colorado if the state made their products illegal to own.  They said that back in May when we talked with them, and they kept their word.  Magpul makes firearms accessories including ammunition magazines.  Magpul is leaving Colorado and moving their manufacturing, distribution and shipping facilities to Cheyenne.  The corporate headquarters is headed to Texas.  I noted they have a letter of welcome from both Wyoming Governor Matt Mead and Texas Governor Rick Perry. Congratulations to our friends in Texas and Wyoming.  You deserve this win.  Yes, elections have consequences and I know a number of people who won’t apply for work in Colorado.

Frank: Under New Jersey gun control laws, children – and adults alike – could face steep penalties for illegally owning BB guns, which according to the Graves Act, makes little distinction between the childhood classic rite of passage and illegal big boy weapons like machine guns and sawed-off shotguns.

As reported by Fox News last month, various states across the country have different laws when it comes to airsoft or BB guns, but New Jersey by far has the strictest regulations. Violating the act, which includes mandatory registration and permits to purchase BB guns, can produce a minimum three-year jail sentence and hefty fines.

In fact, 22-year-old Idyriss Thomas was arrested in October after police received several reports of a man brandishing a firearm. As it turned out, Thomas was simply shooting a rubber ducky with an airsoft gun for target practics in the back yard of his Glassboro, New Jersey, home.

When officers responded to the calls, they determined that the airsoft gun was unlicensed. Thomas was arrested and charged with unlawful possession of a weapon.  Slingshots are illegal in NJ too.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this and close out the show.
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Frank: News from NJAS.  We have to talk to the average citizen, the average voter.  We started these home and personal security seminars in different regions of NJ.  The next seminar is scheduled for March 6th in Sayerville the senior center.

We also have a Carry License Submission Project.  Police departments will tell you your application will be denied.  http://nj2as.com/EVENTS?eventId=813286&EventViewMode=EventDetails

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Paul: DGU#1 is actually an update of a DGU we covered a few episodes ago.  You may remember a story about a robber that held up a Chicago cell phone store and then assumed room temperature. It turns out that the stick up man had been released from prison only a few months ago after serving less than half of his 13 year sentence for armed robbery.  Also, the weapon he was using in the latest holdup was used in the shooting of a police officer only a few days before the robbery.

Rob: DGU #1a Is almost not a DGU, because the gun came into the house in the hands of an intruder.

Police say a South Philly homeowner turned the tables on an armed robber who broke into his house.  The intruder was armed with a shotgun and demanded drugs and money.  The homeowner fought the suspect, took away his shotgun and then beat him with it.  Police arrived promptly and took the suspect into custody. Police have not yet revealed the identities of the suspect or homeowner.  Well, that is one way to use a gun for self-defense.. and it is another example that thieves are more likely to lose their firearms than are honest citizens.  I think that’s because most honest citizens are not drug addicts.

Frank: DGU #2 comes from the Atlanta journal Constitution.  An East Point homeowner shot and killed an intruder on Tuesday morning. The homeowner was in his basement when he heard  disturbance upstairs and retrieved his firearm.  The burglar had smashed through a patio door with a shovel to enter the home.  The homeowner said the intruder approached him with the shovel raised and he fired one shot.  The burglar fled and collapsed in the front yard and was pronounced dead at the scene.  “I had to do what I had to do to protect my house and my family.  I just hate to see young men really just wasting their lives,” said the homeowner.  The homeowner said he was traumatized by the experience.

Tom: DGU#3  A homeowner shot and killed a man during an attempted break in and robbery in Maxton, North Carolina.  It appears that the home was used for illegal video poker.  Four armed robbers presented a gun and pushed their way into the home.  The homeowner shot one robber and all four fled.  The homeowner called police who found the thief, Christopher Deshon Page, dead in his car.  The other suspects were captured and charged with attempted robbery, conspiracy to commit robbery with a dangerous weapon and felonious breaking and entering.  A criminal bet his life that his gun would be the only weapon on scene.. and lost.

Paul: How can you help that distant friend who received a firearm for Christmas?  The National Shooting Sports Federation has a menu-driven list of places to shoot at wheretoshoot.org  You don’t need to live near the new shooter in order to help them.  That is wheretoshoot.org  There is also an I-phone and Android application to find a nearby range.

Let’s suggest they get a little training.. and get some ourselves.  Give the gift of training.  Some ranges offer free classes for beginners.  If you think a class is expensive, try the cost of ignorance!

Listener e-mail #1
Tom: From Kyle
Subject: New Years Resolutions – buy Milsurp
Happy New Year – Paul, Sticks, Rob, and Toby!
My new years resolution is to build a military surplus collection of guns. I started off the year by purchasing a 1945 Mosin Nagant M44 carbine and have gotten the bug for more. I already have my eye on gun number two from my local gun shop, either a Mauser 98 or a Lee Enfield.  What other great military guns should I be looking into besides of course the Springfield M1 to build my collection?  It would be great if you had a segment discussing good military guns on one of your shows.  Happy New Year, thanks again for another year of Politics and Guns!
– Kyle

Rob: Email # 2 From Marc

Tom: Email #3 from Greg.  This is a shout out to Concealment Solutions, headed out to church with the family this morning, stopped by Safeway on the way home, after we got home I was heading to let the dog out and change my shirt, only then did my wife notice that I was  carrying my 1911R1, she exclaimed, what, as soon as you walk thru the door you put your gun on. I said no, I’ve been wearing it all day, to that she said, you were not carrying it in church, to that was both mine & my son’s reply, Oh yes I was.

Great job Jason, keep up the outstanding work!!!!
Greg, Bremerton

Paul: We have Politics and Guns Podcast download applications out on Amazon for Android and I-phone is coming.

Paul: You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Tom: That’s 605- 215- 1438 and operators are standing by.  We should get the operators a chair ‘cause we don’t pay them enough to stand up all day.

Tom: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: I wrote about the Magpul move from Colorado, and the increased CCW permits in California.  You know we often beat the news sources with our blogs and podcasts? The networks are so two days ago.

Frank: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen. also there is another show that is sponsored by our good friends at NJ2AS that you should check out it is the Bold Departure podcast. John, one of the co-hosts will join us on the midweek show this week.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump and I don’t want to shot with you.

Frank: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Paul, A quick reminder that there won’t be a weekend show next weekend. We are all going to be either getting ready to go or on the way to SHOT show and so a show will be impossible. There will be several shows from SHOT next week though. That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.

Until the mid-week show..
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Frank, be strong,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 189 – R.P. Ruggiero

Open: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded Wednesday, the 11th of December, 2013. I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and on tonight’s show we’ll talk with R. P. Ruggiero, author of the Brushfire Plague series of books.
Paul: We’ve got the latest gun news and DGUs to share with you, so climb aboard
Rob: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 189 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1 Catching up
Tom is shopping for Christmas – Pawnshop for guns?
Rob- Dry Practice from concealment, slow, fast, trigger reset, strong and weak handed slow fire, reloads and malfunctions.  My hoodie drawstrings got caught in the safety.
Paul – on the road, dry fire, figured out a way to do dry fire trigger reset on the glock.

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Jersey City, New Jersey now includes civics questions along with its bids to purchase firearms for police.  The city asks vendors if the manufacturer allows images of its products to appear in video games and what the company does to combat illegal gun trafficking. Don’t you feel better now.  Let’s go ask the nice police officer if whale parts were used to manufacture his gun.

The New York City Police Department has sent out more than 500 letters demanding gun owners turn in their weapons, weapons made illegal by New York City’s preemptive gun laws.  These laws made long guns illegal if they hold over 5 rounds.  Gun owners can turn in their guns, leave New York City, or sell the guns outside New York City.  Have any of our listeners received a Bloomberg love letter yet?  Can anyone remember when registering a long gun prevented a crime?

Also from the big apple- The New York Police Department sent two detectives to Kenya to collect lessons learned from mass murders in the Nairobi Westgate mall.  They learned there were only four attackers.  The attackers never fired automatic weapons.  They had a few grenades. They killed 67, wounded over 200, and slipped out of the mall and escaped at night after 18 hours in the mall.  The responding Kenyan military shot two SWAT officers by mistake, killing the commander of the Nairobi SWAT unit.  The lessons learned for civilians are to leave the building rather than hide in place.. and carry your gun if you can and shoot on the move.
This could happen here!

The New Jersey Second Amendment Society sponsors a Home Defense seminar on Thursday evening, December 19th in Brick, New Jersey.  The seminar includes presentations on how to harden your home, prepare a safe room, alert the police, and how to apply for a New Jersey Firearms Identification Card.  The event is free, yes FREE!  But, registration is required and the event is expected to fill up quickly.  See the NJ2AS site or check our show notes for the link.
(Reminds me that best defense against an armed attacker is a locked door.)

In the next segment we have an interview with author RP Ruggiero.  RP wrote Brushfire Plague and Brushfire Plague Reckoning, available in paperback and Kindle.  It was an interesting interview, and we have links in the show notes if you want to buy his books for Christmas.

 Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after the interview with our DGU segments and close out the show.

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DGU1- From Toledo, Ohio- A burglar called 911 to ask for help after being shot. 21 year old Randy Estrada was charged with burglary after being shot by a homeowner while climbing in the homeowner’s window.  Estrada left the scene, but called 911 for help.  Getting shot and arrested is a tough way to learn a lesson.

DGU2- A 37 year old burglar was shot in the arm by a 76 year old homeowner in Hampton, Virginia.  The homeowner called police when he heard glass breaking downstairs.  The police searched the premises and left empty handed.  The homeowner found the burglar in a closet of the barbershop attached to his home.  The burglar was shot and fled, but then captured by police and taken to the hospital for treatment of minor wounds.  It has to hurt twice being shot by someone twice your age.

DGU3- Defensive gun use number 3 is reported in the Chicago Tribune.  A 25 year old man out on parole for a previous armed robbery tried to rob a cellphone store at gunpoint Tuesday evening.  The store owner drew his handgun and killed the thief.  Imagine that, a previously convicted criminal got a gun in the gun-control paradise of Chicago.  Times have changed now that honest Chicago citizens can legally own firearms for self-defense.

Humorous photograph- Obama gets all gaga over Danish Prime Minister, Michelle is nearly drawn on by the secret service just from the looks she is giving the Prez. She then MAKES HIM SWITCH SEATS!

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Email from listener Jeff
Couple holsters with tlr laser light attachments.  Blade Tech, Safariland
Jeff

We have cellphone applications out now for Android at the Amazon store and I-phone is coming.

Contact us by e-mail at Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Tom (sticks@), Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us. Of course you can always call 605-215-1438 and leave a voice message.

Roadgunner mag 40 class in Centerton, Arkansas at Shoot House USA May 15th thru 19th 2014

Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen (NSFW).

Please join the National Rifle Association, the Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.

Also join your local civil rights groups, like New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Michigan Gun Owners, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.  Maybe there are other groups out there, but their members have not e-mailed us.  In that case, send us a snail mail if you’re a Detroit Lions fan and can’t figure out how to use e-mail.  Don’t worry, you can buy self-adhesive stamps and envelopes so you won’t get hurt by papercuts.

(For the web page- Join your local civil rights group like NJ2AS, Illinois carry, Illinois rifle association, Arizona citizens defense league, Texas rifle association, Texas Firearms Freedom, Buckeye Firearms.  (And if we left your group out, that means you didn’t e-mail us yet.)  Join a local group even if they are in an adjacent state.)

Paul, We have another Glen Tate interview on the weekend. That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the weekend show…
Rob, stay safe,
Paul, be aware,
Rob, and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 170- Brian Aitken Interview and Licensed Carry News

Open: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast for Wednesday, October 9th. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and on tonight’s show we talk bout the new state Senators in Colorado, and talk with Brian Aitken about his legal battle in New Jersey!
Paul:  We’ll also cover the government slowdown, and several armed citizens in the news from around the world,
so climb aboard,
Rob: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 170 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Brian, when did you begin your adventure with New Jersey’s gun laws?

Brian moved from Colorado to New Jersey.  He asked the police for instructions on transportation of firearms and ammunition.  He was pressured by the police for a search of his loaded car.  The police threatened to put him in a psychiatric hospital on a 72 hour hold so they could search his car.  He was falsely arrested and prosecuted. (Mirandized after two hours!)  He wouldn’t accept a plea deal.  Before trial, a New Jersey family court declared him a dangerous person, so he had his visitation rights revoked and he can’t see his son. Brian was tried, convicted, and served time in a New Jersey prison on felony firearms violations.

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Brian’s sentence was commuted, but not overturned. The appeals court reversed two of the three charges, but upheld the third.  There is no legal way to transport ammunition in NJ when you move from house to houlse.

Brian wrote a book and started an indegogo project.  www.bannedbykickstarter.com  Brian Aitken said, “I want the conviction overturned so I can see my son!”

Help him, because if it could happen to him then it can happen to anyone.

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New Colorado senators take office.  Bernie Herpin of Colorado Springs and George Rivera of Pueblo were sworn in last Thursday.  There are now three republican candidates running against Hickenlooper.   Democrats are looking for a new senate president after Senator Morse was recalled.

US Senate has time to declare national chess week, but no time to ratify a budget.

Lots of CCW news
NFL bans off duty cops from carrying at football games.  That seems stuck on stupid to me.  The NFL is ignoring evidence from the last 20 years of public violence in “gun-free zones”.

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We talked about licensed carriers last week.  Some of the first responders in the Nairobi Mall attack were described as “Members of a local gun club” and as “off duty police”.  Perhaps they are both.  One was wearing an IDPA patch on his vest as well as shooting glasses.  My guess is that he heard gunfire and grabbed his gear from his car.  Click on the picture for a larger image.Nairobi first responders

The gun-control crowd says guns are dangerous.  Now we have data from the last three years that shows gun owners are much SAFER than the general public.  We already knew that gun owners are more law abiding than the police.  Dean Weingarten looked at domestic homicides in Florida.  He found that people with carry licenses are 10 times safer than the general public, and three times safer than police.

Emily Miller exposed how the DC police would allow Diane Feinstein to parade “Assault weapons” in front of the TV cameras, but the NRA couldn’t bring a hunting rifle to a congressional hearing to point out that is was NOT an assault weapon.  Laws for them and laws for us.

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extra love to-
-Sticks Appleseed, orange hat Instructor-trainee.
-California, there is time to call Governor Brown about the bad bills on his desk and give the Left Coast some gun-love.

Listener e-mail discussion- Grovel for gear. Praise for patches. Slander for swag. Your call.
List emails to contact us
Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, or Onair to reach all of us.  How about Ewok@politics and guns?

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Rob’s blog- a satire comparing the middle east to Washington DC

Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network. Listen to the other shows on the Crusader podcasts network.  Give the Roadgunner podcast a listen.

You need to multiply your voice to protect our civil rights.  Join the NRA, SAF, GOA, and JPFO, at least two of them.
Also join your local civil rights group like NJ2AS, Illinois carry, Illinois rifle association, Gun owners of California, Arizona citizens defense league, Texas rifle association, Buckeye Firearms.  (And if we left your group out, that means you didn’t e-mail us yet.) but join a local group even if they are in an adjacent state.

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the weekend show…
Rob, stay safe,
Paul, be aware,
Rob, and we’ll see you down the road.
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