Episode 224 – Andrew Rothman, Joe Kalil and Rants

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded Saturday March 29th 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we have a return interview with Joe Kalil from Protect Our Students and Teachers.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also talked with Andrew Rothman of Minneota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance. So climb aboard!
John: Strap in!
Paul: And hang on! Episode 224 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant

John: I am going to pre-empt Rob a bit. I made my contribution to James Kaleda’s legal defense fund on Wednesday. I engaged in a bit of multi-tasking during the show!

Rob- Dry practiced. My local tea party asked me if I could get a gun donated so they could raffle one off on April 15th. I had to give them a refresher on California gun laws.

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Seg 2- News
John- Rob has a speech, a lecture, a tirade. He is about to espouse, advocate, lecture and pontificate. Oh, No. Here is his rant.

Rob- Young boys and girls who play videogames are more likely to think and act in aggressive ways. That is old news, but it was reconfirmed with a study of more than 3,000 schoolchildren in Singapore. Published in the pediatric journal of the American Medical Association, the research sampled children over the course of three years. Frequent use of video games was linked to higher rates of aggressive behaviors and thoughts. The participants’ average age was 11 at the start of the study, and three-quarters of them were boys. The study also found that answers were similar between boys and girls, and that parental involvement was not likely to change the likelihood of violent behavior. http://news.yahoo.com/video-games-linked-aggressive-behavior-kids-203144445.html

This simply confirms what I’ve thought for a long time.  (More notes at Fantasy Violence and Fantasy Solutions)

John: The first thing I’d say about this study is that it was of schoolchildren in Singapore. Given the cultural differences between Singapore and the United States, the applicability of the study to American kids has to be called into question. They are a multi-ethnic society crowded into a very small space.

Next, I’d like to add a personal observation based upon Barb’s nephews Kyle and Aaron. They both have played Halo thousands of hours each. In fact they have played Halo professionally in both team and individual competitions. Between the two of them, they have literally won hundreds of thousands of dollars. Indeed, in the Halo 4 Global Championship, Aaron was the champion and took home $200,000.  With such exposure to a first-person shooter game such as Halo, if you are to accept the AMA study findings at face value, they should be rather aggressive and even violent. Nothing could be further from the truth. Kyle is a college graduate and Aaron in a junior majoring in chem engineering. I think it goes back to the parents and how they are raised as well as the expectations. Aggressive, violent anti-social would not have been tolerated by their parents and they knew it.

Paul: I would like to remind everyone that we aren’t looking to ban video games, and if you listen to this show you will see that I think that they may be a small benefit to society. The numbers of people who are affected negatively by these games is tiny, and they do supply a bonding of sorts for my boys and I. Like alcohol there can be therapeutic effects and they can me abused. Parenting is the key.

 
Gun Quotes
No law ever written has stopped any robber, rapist or killer, like cold blue steel in the hands of their last intended victim. — W. Emerson Wright

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Seg 3 Interviews
-Andrew Rothman from Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance and
-Joe Kalil from Protect our Students and Teachers
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Segment 4 DGUs

Paul- James Kaleda needs us fund his legal defense against New Jersey.  Do it here, and I will ask when I meet you. I did! http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund

John- The Connecticut Citizens Defense League has a rally scheduled on April 5th in Hartford Connecticut  Connecticut deserves our support.  New York, Massachusets and Rhode Island gun owners are close enough to drive over.  http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally

Rob- Mail in your NRA ballot too!  Ballots must be received by April 6th.

John- We don’t have a lot of details in tonight’s first DGU, Early Friday morning a group of thugs invaded a home in North Beaver Township, Pennsylvania. The three attackers proceeded to pistol whip one of the residents of the home, who during the attack was able to retrieve his rifle and opened fire on the attackers. All of whom immediately fled. a neighbor reported “ I heard 3 shots, quick ones. Then staggered there were 3 more after that.” One of the attackers wound up at a local hospital where he is in critical condition.The other 2 have not yet been found.

Paul – This isn’t a “ New” DGU. Susan fired off a link to a story where last November an armed citizen noticed an armed robbery taking place. The armed citizen called 911 from outside the Reading Pennsylvania store where the robbery was occurring. As the robbers came out of the store he hollered at the men to stop and that the police were on the way. The thugs then pointed guns at the armed citizen. The armed citizen then drew and fired his own weapon killing the 2 who threatened him while a 3rd thug, the getaway driver, fled the scene and was arrested by police later that day. If only the story ended there. Families for the 2 criminals have threatened to file lawsuits seeking “Justice” for the violent felons. The mother of one of the two killed in while committing an armed felony stated “It’s not fair, it’s not fair. People painted a picture like he is a bad person. He is not a bad person.”  Pennsylvania does have a castle doctrine that prevents those who are injured or the families of those who are killed in a justifiable shooting from filing lawsuits against those who defend themselves.  I haven’t been able to find any more information on the outcome of the threatened lawsuits or if indeed they ever did get filed. If I can find information I will put it in a later show. Meanwhile if you want to get our blood boiling a little bit I encourage you to go watch the video, the link is in the show notes and I was HOPPING mad for quite a while after watching it.

John- A Tulsa, Oklahoma homeowner woke up to the sound of his burglar alarm.  The homeowner got his gun and then surprised a man and a young girl in his garage. The man ran away and the homeowner fired several shots but police officers don’t believe the intruder was hit.  The homeowner held the 16-year-old girl at gunpoint until police arrived and took her to jail.

This is a great example of what NOT to do.  Unless your loved ones are involved, don’t clear your house.  Call the police and let them send in a dog.  Also, don’t shoot at fleeing suspects.  This is not a game!  The homeowner should have been charged with murder had he killed the fleeing intruder. http://www.newson6.com/story/25014302/police-tulsa-man-shoots-at-burglar-in-his-home

Rob- Back to Pennsylvania, a man kicked in the front door of a York County home, only to find a woman waiting for him with her handgun at the ready.  The 31-year-old Glenville woman was alone when she heard someone trying to force their way inside.  She  trains on a regular basis and grabbed her handgun.  THEN she called 911 and reported a burglary in progress.  When the man made it through her front door, the homeowner leveled her gun and told the intruder not to come any closer.  The intruder was found sitting on the front porch of a neighbor’s home when an officer arrived. http://www.abc27.com/story/25101495/home-intruder-found-pistol-packing-woman-police-say

Paul- A 17 year old teenager from Kingman Arizona was hospitalized in critical condition after being shot while illegally entering a home through a window. The teenager walked away from the scene, but was found by police lying on the ground a few blocks away.  Paramedics took the teenager to Kingman Regional Medical Center and from there he was flown to Sunrise Medical Center in Las Vegas.  The 22 year old homeowner was not charged and released by police.   http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/25092723/sheriff-teen-shot-while-illegally-entering-home

John- An off-duty Rowan (ROE-ann) County Sheriff’s Deputy was eating at the China Buffet in Salisbury (SAULS-berry), NC this past Tuesday when a masked man armed with a shotgun tried to rob the restaurant. Deputy John Kempf, Jr. confronted Sakhar Robinson, 20, showed his badge, and tried to end it peacefully. Robinson continued to threaten the customers with the shotgun whereupon the deputy shot him 3 times in the chest with his Glock killing him. The case, like all officer involved shootings, is being investigated by the State Bureau of Investigation. That said, it looks like Deputy Kempf prevented an armed robbery and protected both staff and customers.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul- Feedback on Facebook from Michael B

Great show guys!! Love what you said. I cringe when I hear all this “I will not comply” stuff because I know most don’t mean it. In fact I’ll bet most don’t even vote or join NRA just like you said. Anyway you said what needed to be said. That’s why I also like Paul Markel. He always tells it the way it is without worrying about hurting someone’s feelings. I love that. We need to get tough with each other. Thanks guys.

Rob: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

John: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

 

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

 

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?  I do.  This one is titled “self-defense versus political power”  Our rights are ignored by politicians who chase money from their big donors.  https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2014/03/29/self-defense-versus-political-power/

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Rob: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

John: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 222 – Shooter Ready Radio, George Hill and Ken Kowalski

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, March 22nd, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have shooter ready radio as guests.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
George: I’m George Hill, author of Uprising USA
Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop, the one who REALLY runs the show here. So climb aboard!
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 222 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Rob: I donated to James Kaleda. Have you? I also mailed in my NRA ballot. I voted for Collandro and Hill.

John: I’m sorry I couldn’t make it on Wednesday. I had an out of town business meeting that wasn’t optional. Like Rob, I mailed in my NRA ballot which included Anthony Colandro who was on the show Wednesday.

I’d like to ask our listeners to remember Bob Mayne of the Handgun World Podcast and David Codrea, the National Gun Rights Examiner, in their thoughts and prayers. Bob is battling a serious illness ( do we want to say cancer?) and David is in the hospital recovering from two broken ribs plus pneumonia.

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Rob’s rant- Please take this to heart. This is from my friend Jay Wells. Last week her friend got tangled up with New York City. You know something is wrong when you hear the words, “I spent the weekend in jail.” This guy was visiting family in New York when the good Samaritan called 911 while he was driving because his passenger became sick and needed immediate aid. The passenger got medical attention, but the police arrived as well. Then, the law searched my friend’s vehicle. No one was inhospitable or uncooperative nor aggressive. The polite policeman in charge calmly explained about how there were times to ignore minor offenses, but they could not overlook the tool laying all by its lonesome on the console. The man spent the weekend of March 15th in jail for a pocket knife. I am surprised no one goes to jail for possession of a butter knife.

This is like a speeding ticket. The city is simply raising money by picking on travelers. Pay the fine or pay the consequence. For most of us it’s like stepping into a whole other world, a different dimension that transports you back to small town southern sheriffs who fine you “because you not from around here, are ya” I expect this from corrupt third world police, but not from New York City cops who arrive with emergency medical personnel.

Believe it. It will happen to you, and it is a felony. You will pay thousands of dollars to your New York City lawyer and more in fines to get the charges pled down to a misdemeanor.

I know something else. I know why you don’t believe this story. You don’t want to face the injustice in our own backyard. I don’t visit New York. Not even the airports. Nada.
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http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th and it is sponsored by Connecticut Citizens Defense League.  Connecticut deserves our support.

1) -In a decision released Thursday by the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, in the case of Baker v. Kealoha, the court followed the lead of the recent Peruta case to declare Hawaii’s restrictions on firearms carry unconstitutional under the Second Amendment.

The case was heard by the same trio of judges who sat on the earlier Peruta and Richards cases in California, which challenged the state’s restrictive ‘may issue’ policies that required concealed carry permit applicants to show “good cause” to warrant a permit. The judges, O’Scannlain,  Thomas and  Callahan, heard Baker in December 2013 and issued their findings Thursday.

Next Wednesday is the last day to file an appeal for a review by the entire court.  There is no timeline for the court to accept the case. (Rob has coments)

2) -There are also California counties who won’t wait for the judges to rule. Yvonne Freeman is 66 years old and has lived in California more than 30 years. She says the darn notice she got from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department about her concealed weapon permit application is unreasonable.  Her interview appointment was July 26 which seems more than three months away.. at first.   Then Yvonne looked closer.  “It was July 26, 2016.  I might be dead by 2016, she said.  By law, the application process can only take 90 days, which is why the sheriff’s department delays the “initial interview”.

3)- The school curriculum expanded unexpectedly at the Riverside campus of Austin Community College.  There were two separate incidents of carjacking next to the school.  That makes sense for a criminal, because while it could be a zone of overlapping law enforcement from both Austin and the college, in this case both departments were caught unaware.  The victims said two men brandishing a handgun tapped on the window and told the student to get out of the car.  Remember that campus carry is outlawed in Texas, so students are disarmed both on campus, and as they travel to school.  Those gun free school zones leave students at greater risk.  The Austin police issued an “alert” to students telling them they are likely victims.

4)- Here is a different lesson from school. Pueblo county, Colorado students went to a shooting range after studying Revolutionary War history. Well done, Craver middle school and Project Appleseed. The appleseed program has a history segment for the classroom called Libertyseeds.  These teachers took advantage of it.  They brought history alive and made sure the students learned gun safety.  Pueblo, Colorado is a long way from Boulder.

Rob’s comment- We were talking about school education on the Polite Society staff page only the other day. Dreams do come true.

5)-A local gun range is stepping up to host a crime prevention workshop. A few days ago we commented on Jitterz Java, a coffee shop that had been robbed three times in the last month, and now the baristas are armed.  Jitterz is in a neighborhood that has suffered a crime wave.  There have been eight Spokane business robberies in the last month.  Sharp Shooting gun range, as well as the Spokane County Sheriff’s Department, want people to know how to safely use their weapons. Even more importantly, they want them to know the law!  That is why Sharp Shooting wants to educate business owners about safe business practices whether they carry a firearm or not.

6)-The crazy senator from California is at it again.  Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein circulated a letter on Capitol Hill calling for a ban on importing semi-automatic rifles.  The ban reinterprets the 1968 gun control act and would target attributes like “thumbhole stocks” and “semi-automatic rifles with fixed or detachable magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds”.  This would prohibit import of tube-fed .22 rimfire rifles.  Crazy Dianne said “Prohibit the importation of assault pistols, in addition to assault rifles.”  Dianne took her language right from the Brady Campaign by calling common handguns “assault pistols”.  The letter does not appear on her Senate.gov webpage where the people of california can read it.  We have a link to the entire letter in our show notes.

Rob has comments.  I’m sorry the fruits and nuts of California elected Feinstein.Will President Barack Obama use his phone and his pen to circumvent the legislature?

John: In other news from the US Senate, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is pushing a bill called the Media Shield Law. As part of the bill, it would define who is and isn’t a journalist and thus protected by the First Amendment’s guarantee of a free press. This bill would protect what David Codrea has long called “authorized journalists” but would not protect us here at the Polite Society Podcast nor Rob or myself as bloggers. Given that Operation Fast and Furious – the ATF’s gun walking effort – was discovered through the efforts of bloggers – or, more appropriately,  citizen journalists -, this bill is a travesty. If we had a press that was something more than an adjunct to the White House Office of Communications or Democratic National Committee, it might not be so critical. However, we don’t and it is critical that this bill be stopped. Unfortunately, it looks likes at least five Senate Republicans have bought into this nonsense. It is time to call your Senator on this one and say no.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

Gun Quotes
Our Founding Fathers were proud that Americans were trusted with arms because they knew that only when people are armed could they truly be thought of as free citizens. And that’s where the circle closes. Those who want to deprive you of your right to keep and bear arms are intending to deprive you of your freedom, period. Like the criminals their policies encourage, these elitists know that it is always best to disarm victims before you enslave them. — Charley Reese

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-Early this past Monday morning in Charlotte, NC , Issac Ray Carelock thought it would be a smart thing to do to try and force his way into his ex-girlfriend’s house by kicking in the door. Unfortunately for him, she was armed. When he pointed his firearm at her, she fired four times. Police found him dead on the porch when they arrived. The Mecklenburg County DA is examining the case to see whether any charges will be brought.

(Paul’s comment – Flowers and chocolates always work better than kicking in a door.)

-Neighbors noticed a burglary in progress and called police to a locked and unoccupied home in Red Bluff, California.  They saw a man pushing a riding lawn mower from the back yard to the road in front of the house along with a full golf club caddie and tools.  An armed neighbor intervened and safely held Camron Michael Crismon at gun point for the short time until deputies arrived.  Deputies found that Crismon, age 39, had caused damage to the residence and surrounding gates and had spray painted graffiti on the residence.  Crismon was booked at Tehama County Jail for felony burglary, possession of stolen property and vandalism.  His bail was set at $80,000.

(Paul has a comment on this one too)

-An attempted robbery in Memphis, Tennessee early Tuesday left the attacker dead.  A man and a women in their 20s were the intended victims.  They were inside an apartment complex in the Whitehaven neighborhood when a man approached with a gun and demanded their valuables.  The couple fought back instead.  The female victim grabbed the suspect’s gun during the struggle and fired several shots, striking both the suspect and her male companion.  The suspect was pronounced dead when police arrived. The male victim was taken to a local hospital where he is expected to recover.  The news reports include comments from the neighbors who have little sympathy for the dead assailant.

Rob’s comments-  Wouldn’t it be better to bring your own gun rather than have to borrow the criminal’s gun?  Also, I can hear the liberal city councilwoman from Memphis saying they need more gun control and we’d save lives by stopping these illegal gun transfers.. when a victim disarms a criminal.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
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Paul – From Logan on our Facebook site:

In response to Paul’s rant about the Sheep, Wolf, Sheep dog analogy. This is my take on it.

Sheep = people in condition white, “Someone will always be there to keep me safe and take care of me.”

Wolf = The bad guy, armed and dangerous with little to no moral compass.

Sheep Dog = Anyone who has taken their safety and their family’s safety as their responsibility and are alert for dangers. Not necessarily the good guy arresting the bad guys, or the good guy who “saves the helpless sheep”. While there are situations where that would be the case (Aurora, Colorado) in most situations you’re right, it could do more harm than good if you don’t know what’s really going on. And like you said, the sheep dog takes directions from the Shepherd.

Shepherd = God (or your source of guidance for your moral compass pointing to good)

Love the show, I’ve been a listener for about a year and look forward to having a chance to listen every week. Thanks for all you guys and gal do.

Rob – Jeremy from Email:

Just listening to the latest podcast (not done with it yet) I had to write about the sheep and sheepdog thing.  Wolves are not evil or bad, they do what they do to survive.  That is different than criminals that go out looking for trouble because they won’t get regular work.  That is why I have never liked that analogy.
I do agree it is an easy concept for people to understand, but has always been flawed.  That is in contrast to your wonderful show.  Keep it up!

John – Rick in Wyoming also sent an Email

How about adding my state’s freedom group to your list?  WyGO (Wyoming Gun Owners Ass.)  I listen to every show while driving, and sometimes WATCH from truck stops all over the west.  Too cool.

Rob & Rachel: I know Paul can be a rough boss, but hang in there.  The mix of personalities is great.

Keep it up, guys.

Rick in Wyoming.  (Well, sometimes I’m in Wyoming.   I’m a truck driver.)

Paul – James emailed this in:

I thought y’all might be interested to know what is going on in the Arizona Legislature this year. Here is the latest update from AZCDL:

All AzCDL-requested bills passed out of their originating chamber (House or Senate) last week and were heard in committee this week before the March 21 deadline.  With the state budget being negotiated as this is written, the session could come to an end within weeks, and so all bills must effectively be immediately ready to send to the Governor.  We will need your assistance in contacting your Legislators as bills approach Committee of the Whole (COW) and floor votes.

The following firearms bills have crossed chambers, passed out of committee and are still viable.  The status of all the bills that AzCDL is watching this session can be found on our Bill Tracking page.

HB 2103, the AzCDL-requested bill lowering the age limit for CCW permit eligibility to 19 for those with military service, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2322, which was amended in the House so that it would only provide data on mental health adjudications to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background System (NICS) system, as required by federal law, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee hearing on March 19.  As long as no further amendments are added to the current language of this bill, our position will remain neutral.

HB 2336, which clarifies that law enforcement officers cannot carry a firearm and consume alcohol at licensed liquor establishments unless in the performance of their duties, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2338, the AzCDL-requested bill that adds to the definition of Aggravated Assault the illegal taking, or attempted taking, of a legally possessed (i.e., your) firearm, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2339, the AzCDL-requested bill that would allow CCW permit holders to carry in public buildings unless everyone entering is screened for weapons, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2443, which would allow active duty military personnel stationed in Arizona to obtain hunting permits, passed out of the Senate Natural Resources and Rural Affairs (NRRA) committee hearing on March 19.

HB 2483, which would strengthen the protection of the lawful use of firearms, air guns and archery equipment on private property, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2517, which would add penalties for cities and counties violating state firearms preemption law, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2535 (amended), which would require local law enforcement to sign required NFA transfers within 60 days after receiving a request for certification, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

SB 1063, the AzCDL-requested bill that would make “no firearms” signs on public buildings unenforceable unless the statutory weapons storage requirements are followed, passed out the House Judiciary Committee on March 20.

SB 1118, dealing with criminal trespass by hunters, passed out of the House Public Safety, Military and Regulatory Affairs (PSMRA) Committee on March 12 and House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1266 (amended), which would allow judicial officials to carry non-prohibited weapons in their workplace, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13 and the House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1366 (replaced SB 1064), which clarifies that a firearm, by definition, uses a burning propellant, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13.

The following bills did not survive the March 21 deadline.

HB 2412, which would allow designated individuals meeting certain training requirements to carry firearms on K-12 school grounds, was never scheduled for a House Committee of the Whole (COW) debate or Third Read vote.

SB 1294, which would void (in Arizona) any federal law that violates the Second Amendment, was never scheduled for a Senate COW debate or Third Read vote.

As bills progress we will keep you informed via these alerts.  Watch for our Action Alerts on bills needing your help using our Legislative Action Center.

Don’t forget!  Every AzCDL member who sends the emails we generate from our Legislative Action Center will be entered into our raffles for Brownells gift certificates.

These alerts are a project of the Arizona Citizens Defense League (AzCDL), an all-volunteer, non-profit, non-partisan grassroots organization.

AzCDL – Protecting Your Freedom .

James

John – Finally we got an email from a Listener who wishes to remain nameless

http://m.wmctv.com/#!/newsDetail/25018724
Paul
This is a link to a local story. This , to me , is a perfect argument for not restricting magazine capacity. Ten shots fired and no one hit. As you often say, a little inside baseball. Since we are a relatively small suburb of Memphis, and I have family that works for the police dept. , I have had the opportunity to train with some of these guys and in my eyes, they are good. I talked to one of the guys on the swat team and asked him how this happens. His only response was that you have no way to train for the amount of stress that this puts on a person, even those with high levels of training. I don’t know if you would use
this on a show, but if you feel it is airworthy, then by all means use it. I only ask that you not use my name because I don’t know if anyone of my contacts in the pd listen, and I would not want to compromise any of my friends and family. One question about the podcast, what is going on with the timer ?
Recently, I have noticed the stated time for the show is actually shorter than the actual show. If the show says it is say 1 hour long, my timer will run to 0:00 and the show is still going strong.  Not that this is a big deal, just wondering what was up. I love the show and I love the cohorts past and present.

Keep up the good work and if you ever travel I-40 through the Memphis area I would like to meet with up and maybe buy you lunch or a cold beverage , or maybe hit the range, since there is a nice indoor range just a couple of miles off 40 with a nice big parking lot.
This email is beginning to drag, and I really need to get back to work. Thanks again for all you are doing.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John : We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association Wyoming Gun Owners Association, and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 221 – Canadians, Sheepdogs, New Jersey, and Glen Tate

Apple users! Please let us know if this fixed the issue with time encoding. We have switched to an Apple product to do our final encoding to MP3  (This took quite a bit because Paul HATES Apple)

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, March 19th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talk with Frank Fiamingo about the war on self-defense in New Jersey.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also have an interview with Glen Tate who makes a major announcement, and two crazy Canadians talking about the latest canadian firearms regulations.
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Paul: and hang on. Episode 221 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Paul- is parked and waiting for a load.. earning a few dollars an hour.
Rachel- is working politics by night and teaching music by day. I have no time to sleep. I’m connecting political activists to their county political conventions.

Rob- I was looking at mid sized 9mm firearms. I rented the Glock 17, the Springfield XD and the CZ-75. Each is a double stack 9mm with a four in inch barrel.. yet they are very different. The obvious missing comparison is the Smith and Wesson M&P, but someone was renting that at the time.

Weight- Glock 17 is lightest of the three. The XD is slightly heavier, though the XD and Glock both have polymer lowers. The CZ has a fairly heavy steel frame and is the heaviest by far. The CZ loaded with 10 rounds was almost as heavy as my empty 1911. The perceived recoil was directly related to the weight of the gun and the CZ didn’t move much when you fired it. The CZ would be fine if you were buying a competition gun or a house gun. The Glock and XD would be much better if you were going to carry them every day for self-defense. It also means that a new shooter who is recoil sensitive should consider the heavier firearms.

The three handguns have a different shape to the stock and feel entirely different in your hand. That is the reason you want to go to a range that rents a wide selection of firearms. The back of the Glock is broad and straight. It fits in your hand as if you’re grabbing the back of a thick hardcover book. I could reach around the stock (or grip) with my thumb, but people with smaller hands would have to roll their thumb around the Glock to get the gun to fit into the web between their thumb and forefinger. When you do that, it feels like you’re grabbing the side of the gun rather than grabbing the back of the gun. In contrast, the top of the CZ grip is nicely narrow and fits well into the groove between your thumb and index finger. I thought the CZ had the best fit in that it was narrower at the top and arched to fit into your palm. The XD is between the two. The XD has a slightly arched grip which also slightly narrows at the web of your thumb. The XD was not as good as the CZ but better than the Glock.

Here are the safety features for each firearm. The CZ has a single/double action trigger and a manual safety thumb safety. The XD has a grip safety and a trigger safety like the Glock. The Glock has only a trigger safety, but it has a considerably harder trigger pull.

Those are the features of the gun that are hard to change. The feel of the trigger can be changed, but I’ll report on the stock firearm.
You could identify each gun by its trigger. XD was actually a little light at 4-4.5 pounds. The CZ in single action was intermediate, and that surprised me. The double action was only a little heavier than the Glock. The Glock was heavy at 7 to 8 pounds. Again, triggers can be adjusted by a trained gunsmith.
When it came to trigger reset, the glock was the best. I thought the XD was next and my shooting buddy thought the CZ was next. Again, the perceived firmness of the reset was proportional to the weight of the trigger pull. You simply can’t have a light target trigger with a distinct reset.

I put about 20 rounds through each gun. I started with dry fire of each firearm. Then I shot a half dozen slow fire, and then went to controlled pairs. I did not test the CZ for accuracy shooting it as a double action handgun, but I did dry fire it in double action.

I tested the time it took to get a second shot. The XD was fastest due to the combination of features; it had the lighter trigger and a fairly good reset. In contrast, the good reset of the Glock was offset by the harder trigger pull. The low recoil of the CZ was offset by its mushy reset. A trigger job could reverse these rankings, but there are limits. I was looking for a carry gun, not a target gun or competition gun. Let me be clear that each firearm is absolutely acceptable in its speed to deliver a second shot.

Controls- For each of these handguns, the slide release is much easier to use than the forward position on the 1911. That is because of better engineering and a lighter recoil spring for a 9mm handgun. With my large hands, I bumped into the slide release by accident on the XD. In contrast, I had to hunt for the magazine release button into the grip on the Glock because they blend it into the stock. You can master it with practice, and they make extended magazine release buttons for the Glock.

I’m going to include this next comment in with controls because it affects how you handle the gun. The slide of the CZ is not very deep. The slide sits on top of the frame rather than wraps around it. The CZ also has an external hammer. It was harder to do a press check on the CZ than either of Glock or the XD because I had trouble getting a good grip on the slide. I couldn’t do a press check on the CZ if the hammer was down. This could be an issue with new shooters when they are learning to manipulate the slide of their firearm. The slide would be easier to manipulate if you have smaller hands. It isn’t a big issue, but it is a difference between the firearms. You won’t notice this issue after you’ve lived with the your gun for a month.

The CZ has a double action/ single action trigger system. That means you could carry it loaded and uncocked after you manually lower the external hammer. Your first trigger pull would be harder and longer, but the second pull would be single action only. I’m used to carrying a gun loaded, cocked and locked, so I don’t see the strong advantage of the double action trigger on the CZ, particularly when the CZ has a manual thumb safety to prevent negligent discharge.

I have long arms, so all the sights were too wide for me. By too wide I mean that the front blade filled up the notch in the rear sight. That is fine for target work, but not for everyday carry. A gunsmith can change sights. A gunsmith can change the weight and feel of a trigger. So each gun could be fitted to your preferences. Oddly enough, in slow fire I was most accurate with the Glock, and I think that was because of the slight difference in the sights that were fitted to this particular firearm.

As it came out of the box, I thought the XD had the best blend of features for a new shooter.

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Opening rant: It is time that we put “Sheepdogs, Sheep and Wolves” to bed.
1) Shepherds protect the flock. Sheepdogs take orders from shepherds and are nearly worthless without the training and direction that they get from the shepherds.
2) I am not a sheepdog. I am not your (or anyone elses) protector. If I witness you getting robbed, you are going to get robbed. Unless you are in imminent danger of being killed or permanently disabled I am going to try to be a good witness and try to help the police apprehend the bad guy by being a good witness. If I think that you are about to lose your life if I don’t act, I will act IF I CAN. I don’t carry for you, I carry for me and my family. If I am carrying at the time the crime is going on it means that YOU TOO have the ability to carry if you chose to. I don’t have a super duper license that allows me to carry in every circumstance everywhere. I have a South Dakota CPP, if you are in SD or a State that has reciprocity with SD you too can protect yourself.
3) I am not a sheep. I am aware of my surroundings. I am responsible for my own defense.
4) I am not a wolf. I am a card carrying good guy.
5) Unless you have taken an oath as a police officer you could easily make things a lot worse by getting involved. Please don’t delude yourself on citizens arrest. Also, are you SURE you are about to intervene on behalf of the good guy?
6) In our community we are really big on saying “whatever happened to personal responsibility?” when someone blames McDonald’s hot coffee for their own stupidity and wins a big settlement. The same question comes about when a criminal gets off with a light sentence for a heinous crime because he was abused as a child. Where is that same question when a person becomes a victim in a free state where he or she had the legal right to defend themselves? Didn’t the victim have the personal responsibility to take care of themselves including security? Don’t get me wrong here. I DO NOT want to start blaming victims for crimes. What I am saying is that if more people were protecting themselves the criminal population would dwindle dramatically because #1 the criminals don’t commit more crimes once they are incarcerated or in a grave, and #2 Once homey sees that a few of his friends are in jail for a long time and a few more are ventilated he might start thinking that going back to school might make the rest of his time on the planet a bit safer.
7) I have been accused a bit of being a jerk, and worse, for my stance. That is fine with me. The fact is that my #1 goal is to survive for my family. A few episodes ago we had a story about 2 men who entered a house that they didn’t live in and confronted a burglar. I was asked recently what would cause me to enter a house like that. To be honest not much. If my wife or member of my immediate family were in immediate danger and I knew that the police weren’t going to be there in time, then yes, of course. The number of people I would do that for on the face of the earth number less than 20, and most of them are directly related to me.
Am I a Sheep? No. Am I a Sheep Dog? No. I am Damn sure not a Wolf or a Shepherd. I am an independent and free citizen of the United States of America. I don’t fit into the little categories that you try to make so please don’t put me there.

(Commentary – And please feel free to let me have it if you think that I am full of it)
Rob- The original sheep versus sheepdog story was a simple contrast. Now you’ve gone and made it highbrow. You went from two pieces; sheep and sheepdog. Three pieces, sheep, sheepdog and shepard. You have four pieces, complacent citizens, criminal predators, law enforcement and a trained armed citizen who is self-controlled. Your description IS more accurate. But I see two problems with it.

First, most journalists and politicians aren’t smart enough to keep the characters straight until you put costumes and makeup on them. Second, how can you scare the public with a “return to the wild west with blood flowing in the streets” story if there are four characters. Public policy needs simple victims and heros. Your version is simply too complicated to make thrilling news or sound bites.

Oh, Paul… that is a good thing.
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Rachel: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here. The Shooting portion of the class is full, however you can still get in on the 2 day citizens rules of engagement. once completing the classroom portion you can get in touch with Chaz and schedule a Mag 20 live fire and complete the mag 40.

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob- Story #1 Ares Armor
Daniel Butcher is the Assistant U.S. Attorney that filed a response to temporary restraining order (TRO) obtained by Ares Armor against the ATF. He filed the response with a federal magistrate judge who allowed the raid to proceed. Butcher’s response conveniently “forgets” that the 80% lower receivers stocked and sold by Ares Armor are not generally considered firearms, according to the ATF’s own determination letters sent to numerous manufacturers over the years. Somehow, the all-important detail that the 80-percent polymer lower receivers have not been proven to be firearms didn’t seem to work it’s way into the DOJ’s “Factual Background” section of their response. I doubt the judge cares or will hold Attorney Butcher in contempt for misleading the court. If anything, Attorney Butcher sealed his nomination into a politically appointed DOJ position.

The owner of Ares Armor, Dimitrios Karras, has a sense of humor. The Ares website boasts that all of its products shipped this month have been personally inspected by the BATFE for product quality. Dimitrios is also a combat veteran. I also found out that the company pays employee bonuses in silver coins.

Paul- Oklahoma Sheriffs went to the state capitol to testify as they had in previous years.  This year, the 40 sheriffs met a surprising obstacle. They were turned away at the door because a state Senator complained they were armed.  Rather than disarm, the sheriffs went back to their counties and scheduled their testimony for another day.

(Rachel’s comments: (1) At least they were being consistent and applying the law equally to the sheriffs and to citizens, and (2) That’s *one* thing that Texas can hold over Oklahoma’s head at least for a little while longer: CHLers can carry in our Capitol building.)

Rob- http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th.  Connecticut deserves our support.

Rachel – Jacksonville College in East Texas wanted to increase campus safety, and allow employees to carry guns on campus. That’s when they hired chief of security Mike Morse, and began a security agency on campus. Morse is now teaching security officer certification, and concealed handgun classes. “We had a desire to provide courses to the community, and one of the needs we heard was handgun licenses.” Classes are available to the students, teachers, and entire community.

Paul- Armed baristas in Spokane, Washington

– Jitterz Java has had 3 break-ins in the past month
– Employees are now arming themselves with the approval and encouragement of the owner, Sara Chapel
– Employee Krystal Cogswell: “Before, I never felt an immediate threat, so I would just have it off to the side or somewhere hidden. But now I feel like if someone can see it, maybe it will just deter it right then and there and I won’t ever have to use it,” she explained.
– Customers have been overwhelmingly supportive. Only one complaint.
– Spokane Police said it is completely legal as long as the employees who are armed are 18 and older and do not have any prior convictions that restrict them from using firearms.

Rachel- It turns out that Delaware citizens don’t lose all their civil rights when they accept public housing.  This time their rights are protected by the Delaware constitution more so than the US constitution.  The Delaware Supreme Court read from the Delaware Constitution’s right to bear arms provision- “A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use” and the court noted that this language may justify broader protection than that given by the Second Amendment.  It looks like some of the Delaware housing projects will comply, but some housing administrators are crafting new regulations.  Two steps forward, and one step back, but it is progress.

Rob: Gun Quotes (here are two of them, so take your pick of great women on Wednesdays)

How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of.  – Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with lots of news about self-defense news in New Jersey. We start with an interview with Frank Fiamingo.  But first, here is a message a sponsor.

Seg 3 Interview with Frank Fiamingo

Rob- That was a fascinating interview with Frank.  The link to the James Kaleda defense fund is at indiegogo.com  He needs another 10 thousand dollars for his defense, and he needs it in the next ten day.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund  Please donate $10 if that is all you can afford.  Please put in something to let James know he is not alone in this battle for our rights.  (Any comments?)

The issue of firearms restrictions is not that complex.  People are not criminals because they have 15 cartridges in their magazine versus 10 rounds.  The Youtube video of 9 year old firearms competitor Shyanne Roberts testifying at the Assembly hearing went viral.  Shayanne gets it.

Here is a one minute clip from my friend Anthony Colandro testifying at the New Jersey Assembly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUE6N5q65eQ&feature=youtu.be   He states that “he will not comply” with the new firearms restrictions.  For the last 20 years we have been in an era when laws are too numerous to know or obey.  Now we are entering an era when more and more citizens deliberately refuse to comply.  (comments?)
Paul- We have to go to break.
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Interview with Matthew McLatchey of Slam Fire Radio and Peter Dawson(Ten- X) about the Canadian RCMP gun ban.

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Segment 6 DGUs
The chat room warriors contributed this, and thank you to them- “When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” Thomas Jefferson

Rob- A man was shot and killed early Monday morning as he was attempting to burglarize a home northwest of Corvallis, Montana.  The resident was awakened by noises around his home shortly before 4 a.m..  When he went to investigate, he found someone climbing through a window.  When the resident ordered the man to not move, the suspect turned toward him. The resident was armed with a handgun and shot the intruder, who then jumped back through the broken window and ran away from the home.  The intruder was later found dead near the home.  The dead man, Tobias Ian Bishop, age 39, had a long criminal history and was wanted on an outstanding warrant.  Bishop had burglarized several other properties in the area and had several stolen chainsaws stashed near his van.

Paul: Police say that one man is in critical condition after attempting to break into an Apache Junction Arizona Home. Three men gathered in the back of a home when they were noticed by the homeowner on surveillance video. Those gathered out back began to kick the back door. The homeowner grabbed a shotgun and one other person inside the house was armed with a handgun. Once the second person was illuminated with a laser sight, the homeowner and the second person in the home opened fire. The 3 attackers fled. one of them, 19 year old Sal Anthony Almos only made it to the neighbors yard where he collapsed from a shotgun wound to the groin and upper legs. Almos was taken into custody, and he later told investigators that the attackers were heavily armed and had zip ties and “were ready for whatever” I am thinking that a shotgun blast to the groin wasn’t included in whatever. Also the picture on the webpage that reports the story has a mug shot of an apparently easily standing Almos, something I seriously doubt he can do while in critical condition in a hospital, so it appears that this isn’t his first rodeo.

Rachel- Police are investigating the homicide of a 26-year-old man who was shot after police say he brandished a handgun and sexually assaulted a woman. The name of the man has not been released pending notification of family members. It happened around 9:25 p.m., Thursday, in the 3800 block of North Rampart Street [New Orelans LA]. Police said the 26-year-old man approached a man and woman as they were walking. They said he then produced a gun and demanded that they walk to a building that was being renovated. Once they entered the yard, investigators say, the man sexually assaulted the woman at which time the adult male disarmed the man and fatally shot him… (Once a gain, we see how much more common it is for a criminal to get shot with his own gun, by a victim, than vice versa.) http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/man-fatally-shot-in-new-orleans/24970126

Rachel – student speaks out against being disarmed
– University of Cincinnati campus
– engineering student came across 4 students being attacked on campus, jumped in to help them
– ended up beaten, hospitalized
– “One of the victims said that the area was usually safe, so the Saturday night assault was very surprising.”
– Good Samaritan said: “I’m personally a concealed carry permit holder. I’m not allowed to carry on campus so I’m not going to do that, but at the same time if the university is not going to provide significant resources to provide us the safety we need then at least let me take care of myself with it.
– The university’s response: send out safety ambassadors to create a “welcoming and engaging environment.”
– My response: any school that fails to exercise its right to authorize carry on -campus is responsible for any harm that comes to disarmed students, staff, or civilians.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Tips and tricks segment : Kathy Jackson’s reply to our feedback on episode 220

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Listener e-mail discussion
Rob: I received this from one of my readers and I like what he said. He calls it “the Equal Protection Amendment”
1. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may keep or bear any arms except those that may be borne by all law abiding competent adult citizens both in his place of residence and in the location of his office.
2. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may be protected by any personal arms he is barred from keeping under the previous article.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!  Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and give our friend Chaz over at the roadgunner podcast a listen, he just put out a great episode with Daniel shaw of Gunfightercast fame.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 220 – Joe Chetwood and Miguel Gonzalez

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Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, march 15th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have an interview with Miguel Gonzalez of “Gun Free Zone”
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Joe: I’m guest host Joe Chetwood from Crusader Weaponry
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 220 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1 Personal news from each participant

Joe Chetwood- finding my way out of boxes.

John: I just finished reading Jm Curtis’ The Grey Man: Vignettes. Jim, also known as Old NFO, blogs at the blog “Nobody Asked Me.”  The novel is Jim’s first and a great start. I highly recommend it to anyone who likes a good story that has guns interwoven through it.

Rob: I got in some dry practice with reloads and malfunction clearance.  I invited a friend over, so practice can be fun.  So was dinner, but dry practice is always a good excuse to throw a party.

Rachel: Got a CWW pin from whiskey5a today, doing online training tomorrow for Texas Firearms Freedom activists for the next convention to help move gun legislation along, and scheming for how I can clone myself so next weekend I can staff the A Girl & A Gun conference, teach at an Appleseed shoot, and be a delegate in my county convention all at the same time.

Paul is in Soux Falls and jumped home from Wisconsin.  We’re podcasting from ABN surplus.

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Seg 2- News

Paul: In Rob’s backyard, Ares Armor machines AR lowers and sells polymer lowers.  The BATF asked for its inventory and customer list.  Dimitrios Karras, owner of Ares Armor, asked for a restraining order against the ATF.. and he received it.  So far the customer list is safe.  Ares is also being harassed by a local city council for its sign that shows a modern sporting rifle.  Anti-gun bigotry is not dead in San Diego.

In late breaking news, the ATF broke into Ares Armor’s national city office and seized records. That is the real price of having a weak sheriff in San Diego County.

Rob- Idaho Governor Butch Otter signed a bill allowing people with enhanced Idaho concealed carry permits to carry firearms on state school campuses.  The law takes effect July first when anti-gun journalists forecast the streets will run with blood.  I doubt it since eight states allow some firearms onto school campuses.

John:  Retired elementary school teacher Laura Getty was diagnosed with breast cancer on Valentine’s Day. Her son Jeffrey, also a teacher, developed a lesson plan to help her conquer her fear. Since she had never fired a gun before, he took her to the Palmetto State Armory range in Greenville, SC where they live. Laura says she found it very therapeutic as all she had to do was focus on the target. Afterwards, Jeffrey sent the range a thank you note explaining the circumstances. PSA was so touched that they built up a hot pink custom AR-15 for Laura  as a gift. They also made a second one that they are raffling to raise money for her treatment. They have now put that raffle online because demand was so strong.

Rachel- Shane Kinney is an NRA member.  He is also a 16 year old and works a part time job at his local gun club.  He wore an NRA shirt to school and served a one day suspension when the school vice principal told him to turn the shirt inside out.  Shane refused.  “I’ve worn other shirts before with guns on them.  I was never asked to cover up. I think this happened because it was an NRA shirt.”  Officials at the school cited the dress code which prohibits any clothing that might incite or encourage “violent activities.”  Grand Island High School is located between Niagara Falls and Buffalo, New York.  Sounds like the school administrator flunked the Zero Tolerance for Stupid test.

Rachel – A group of over 100 Texans with CATI-TX (“Come And TAke It”) open carried their rifles and shotguns through downtown Austin during the SXSW festival again today, and I was again privileged to be among them. The light rain might have dampened our clothes and rifles, but it didn’t dampen spirits among the men, women, and children who participated. During the months that these activists have faithfully done their safe, peaceful, friendly open carry walks, the attitude of the APD has changed, and they now come out and shake our hands and even escort us to make sure no one messed with us. Hooray for peaceful, effective grassroots activism!

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On a sad note: a car plowed through barricades a couple of nights ago and killed a few SXSW participants and injured almost 2 dozen more. I guess barricades and signs don’t work so well – for banning either guns or cars….

John: We all know it is easier to ride a bicycle downhill.  It is also easier to promote a cause with a sympathetic news media to inflate your claims.  But what would the media say if they had an anti-gun rally and nobody came?  26 bicycle riders rode from Newtown Connecticut to Washington DC to carry their anti-gun message to the nations capital and provide a media moment for politicians who hate self-defense.  If you look closely at the photos of the rally, it looks like the riders and politicians were larger than the crowd.  Some of the bicycle riders said they received considerable support along the route from the New Jersey police.  Let’s see a show of hands if you’re surprised.

Anyone?

Rachel – A statewide grassroots group in California gathered over 60,000 signatures to date proposing  quote- “a state constitutional initiative ensuring the right to bear arms for all individuals and guarantee the right of all individuals to lawfully use a firearm for personal and property protection, hunting and sport shooting.” California Gun Rights is attempting to collect over a million valid signatures by the May 20 deadline. They posted downloadable copies of their petition in both legal and letter sizes for circulators to use.  California is one of only six states that lack second amendment language in their constitutions.

We have an interview with Miguel Gonzalez about the Florida bill that might permit school staff to go armed.  Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Seg 3 Interview with Miguel Gonzalez from the blog “Gun Free Zone”.  Miguel talks about the Florida bill that might permit school staff to go armed and how the Miami Herald lost their mind.

Ask the GunDoc questions with Joe Chetwood.
1. I have a savage 357 over 20 ga, it has a crack on the wood near the selector switch with the piece about to come off, is there any type of glue made just for this type of repair? i don’t do anything with this gun but shoot every now and then so its not critical, just want it to look right

2. I have a pt1911 ar pistol made by taurus and the grip safety does not work. The safety is a little loose at the pin that holds it in place. If i push up on the beavertail safety right under the hammer the safety works. Has anyone had this problem with theirs and if so how was it fixed without sending it back to taurus for repairs. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

3. My Thompson SMG is now back together, but I can’t use it because the ‘headspace’ is off. Is this something that can be repaired (gun is about 25yrs old), or do I have a 45cal paperweight?

4. I have a 1911 and the front sight came off at the range and I couldn’t find it. How can I figure out what height I need if I still have the rear sight?

5. I have a TCP 380. When firing, the slide isn’t cycling and it’s not feeding the next round. Could this be a future gunsmith visit or is there something I can do myself?

6. I have a gorgeous Remington 48 sc 12 gauge. It’s not ejecting the empty shells. It pulls up a new shell but still, the empty isn’t being grabbed out. Is this a common problem with this gun?

7. Type 53 nagant sight removal. I want to remove the entire front sight so I can slide the bayonet lug off, but is the front sight mount also soldered on?
Break and Shelly Sorensen when we come back.

8. Interdynamic KG-99 pistol (9mm) with a 30 round clip. When I put the loaded clip in the weapon and rack the lever to load it, it is tossing the first cartridge out on the ground. The motion of the bolt seems to be catching the first round and tossing it out or, the motion is dislodging the first round just enough that it becomes loose enough for the magazine spring is spitting it out. Or something… Any ideas what the problem may be?

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob: Lisa Atkin was sick in bed Wednesday morning and couldn’t go to work.  She was surprised when her three labradors wouldn’t stop barking.  Then she heard another loud noise from the front of her house and grabbed her firearm from the nightstand.  She slowly cleared her way into her home and found Joseph Baker.  She drew her weapon and told Baker to lie down on the floor while she called police.  The police arrived 23 minutes later.  The  Junction City Oregon homeowner said, “We’ve been through the Oregon Firearms Academy courses so we were trained to deal with these kinds of situations.  Twenty three minutes is a long time and while most people in town wouldn’t have to wait that long for a response, it was an incredibly quick response for where we live.” (close quote) The burglar is in the Lane County Jail facing charges of burglary, resisting arrest, menacing, and criminal mischief.

Any comments?

John:  A pizza delivery woman in Fayetteville, North Carolina made an unexpected delivery.  26 year old Ashley Marie Hurd approached a house at about 10pm and asked the man standing outside to be paid for the pizza.  A second man walked up behind her, put something against Ashley’s head and demanded money.  She drew her handgun and both suspects ran.

If I was a pizza delivery driver, male or female, in Fayetteville, I’d carry a handgun, too.

I’d also like to make a comment on this DGU. It is important to note that no shots were fired and it was the mere presence of a firearm that ended this encounter safely for Ms. Hurd.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Segment 5 Show close and listener e-mail discussion

Paul and Crew,

Got behind listening due to problems with downloading the show via itunes after the name change so these comments are over a few shows.

I. For the guy who disliked the British accent. My father didn’t care much for the British either. No idea why, something dealing with his stay during WWII. I enjoyed my too short stay in England back in the 80’s. Really fell in love with the beer, real beer; definitely not PBR. The Brits do need to take some lessons on how to season their fool Having to salt and pepper pizza to make it edible just isn’t right. I personally like the accent. Brings back memories of watching Mrs. Emma Peel in those nice leather cat suits she wore.

II. With regard to the posting of home addresses and pictures of the various congress vermin. I agree with you however we must not be too worried about taking the high road in this war. There does become a point where one must fight fire with fire. The problem is that there are very few, and mostly ineffective ways, to hold these people accountable for their malicious acts. I don’t think many states have a recall option and it is very rarely possible to hold them legally accountable for the damage and hurt they cause. Roman senators and tribunes were completely immune for their actions but at least once they left office they could be brought to account. No so with out system. They can get away with anything. Look at the disdain the state shyster Corey is getting away with in Florida.

For an interesting, and highly questionable result I suggest reading “Unintentional Consequences” by John Ross. The book is way too long and quite slow in getting started but still entertaining. I just hope it never actually comes down to that extreme. It is rather scary of how some rather radical ideas are much more commonly heard than they were just a few short years ago. In fact, if the state of Connecticut doesn’t get its act together things could quickly degenerate into something very similar and those who are truly responsible, the idiots who made the ridiculous law will never be made to really answer for all the tears that will be shed.

III. With regard to Kathy Jackson’s comments on training. I completely agree that one shouldn’t come in with the attitude that keeps them from taking suggestions on how to improve. However I don’t see the problem with people wanting validation. If one is doing something correctly I can understand them wanting conformation of that. Kind of like how you liked having your skills as a driver trainer validated. Now if they are not willing to accept correction, that is another issue.

She sounded like she really doesn’t like seeing people taking classes who seem to not really need them. Depending on the reason for that happening I don’t understand the problem. There are some who are ready and would like to take an intermediate or more advanced course but can’t due to no formal training. Many instructors and training institutions won’t let people sign up for more advanced training due to them not having any formal training. They have their prerequisites. Completely understandable but someone who managed to acquire the basic skills on their own really have no choice but to take beginning classes. They need to have their skill level formally validated if they want to continue their training. Yes, there are some, many perhaps, who just want to boost their egos, but there are some caught in the middle.

There are also those who repeat classes as a way to renew their skills. It sounded like she didn’t really like having them in her classes.

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These are just some thoughts. I thoroughly enjoy your program and look forward to each episode. Your show, along with Doc Wessons’s “The Gun Nation” are the first two I check for new episodes.

Oh, what happened to Sticks? Did I miss something?

William Harvey

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Castle Rock, Colorado.

There is a rally scheduled for saturday, April fifth from 12 to 3pm.  See the Connecticut Citizens Defense League.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I do.  The ninth circuit rendered a decision a month ago.  The decision was not acted on by the San Diego Sheriff.  There have been four THOUSAND violent crimes in San Diego in that month.  Judges and Sheriffs fiddle while citizens bleed.  The post was up at Clash Daily and I put it up at Slow Facts this morning.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, Also give our friends over at Modern Rifleman Radio a listen!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 218 – Keith Morgan

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday March 8th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonight’s show we’ll talk about firearms news from the wonderful citizens and gun owners of West Virginia.
John: And I’m John Richardson, we’ll talk about defensive gun use.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and could drone on for hours about shooting another IDPA competition.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John:strap in
Rob: And hang on!
Paul: Episode 218 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
John: Nothing new from me since midweek.
Rachel: Slept in today, exhausted from the political work for Texas Firearms Freedom from the past two weeks. Yesterday attended the memorial service of Terry Holcomb, Jr., son of the gun rights activist Terry Holcomb, Sr.. Missed the CATI-Austin walk today but hope to jump in next week.
Rob: How long do I have to talk about IDPA? The competition had 6 stages and took about 80 rounds. El Presedente in 9.6 seconds. (12 shots on six targets with a reload). Barrel stage with 8 targets, 14 rounds, and you had to push two plastic barrels out of the way to get to the bad guys, 16.4 seconds. The plastic barrels were your friends who forgot to run or duck. 85 degrees F when we finished. Ahhh.

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Seg 2- News
Rob: This bad news has a happy ending.  Mary Shepard and another woman were beaten as they worked in their rural Illinois church back in 2009.  Mary has concealed carry permits in several states, but was disarmed because she couldn’t carry in Illinois.  Laws change with time.  Illinois law changed because of civil-rights activists who defend the right of self-defense and then took on the Chicago political machine.  Illinois gun owners lobby day was last Wednesday.  Mary Shepard received her Illinois carry license on Tuesday.  Congratulations Mary Shepard and Illinois gun owners.  Mary is not sure if she’ll carry in church because she remains afraid to go there during the week.

John: A push for  Bloomberg-style universal background checks failed in the Oregon State Senate this week as it failed to get out of the Senate Judiciary Committee just like it failed last year.

The chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Democrat Floyd Prozanski (PRO ZAN SKI) of Eugene, isn’t giving up his push for more gun control. He has a new bill that would give judges more leeway to deny gun rights to mentally ill people in outpatient programs. It would also require that local law enforcement be notified if someone fails a NICS check while trying to purchase a firearm. However, with time running out in the legislative session, it is doubtful it would have time to be enacted.

John: Scott Zawierucha (ZA WAH ROO CHA) believes in both free speech and gun rights. He had placed a banner of his fence in Hamburg, New York saying “New York is Not SAFE – Stop Cuomo – Preserve Your Rights”. Because of his banner, he was given a summons by the town’s zoning code enforcement officer when he refused to take it down. The town says it violates their zoning ordinance which bans signs or banners on fences.

Mr Zawierucha was to appear in court on Friday. As to the banner, he said, ““I am not taking this down. I have been targeted,”  “I’ve had nothing but positive feedback from people.”

Paul – A bill is making it’s way through the South Dakota Legislature that would make it harder for those that are mentally ill to get guns. This makes me nervous because once on a list it can be exceedingly hard to get off of it.

Paul – A Kansas City Mo state legislator is having to increase security after sponsoring a bill that essentially trashes the castle doctrine and makes a requirement that you retreat before using a gun. This is a bad bill. This is also a bill that it seems has no chance of passing in gun friendly Missouri. This is no reason to make threats. I would not be surprised if the supposed threats were entirely manufactured by the other side, but lets be certain that it isn’t one of our side that is involved.

We ARE above this. we are right, and we are winning. What we don’t need is for someone to make the other side’s argument stronger.

Rachel – The West Virginia Civilian Defense League has had an exhausting couple of weeks working to get some important gun bills through their legislature before the session ended. Their main bill was SB317, the statewide preemption bill dubbed as “One state, one law” – which would prohibit cities and municipalities from making their own restrictions on handgun carry. With deadlines looming, they passed the bill and I bet you anything they’d say it was well worth the work.

From Keith Morgan, president WVCDL:
This is a fight that’s occurred with varying intensity for 21 years. But in the past three, I’ve seen this organization explode in size, scope, and legislative influence. In 2009, Jim Mullins, myself, and two members were laughed out of Charleston’s city council. Danny Jones exact statement was “I’m not interested in talking about that.” This is where we were.

For the past two weeks, I’ve not spent a single day in the capitol alone. WVCDL members have been showing up on their own time and dime, walking the halls with us in black t-shirts, talking to legislators, explaining our point, and sometimes, arguing intensely defending our positions and explaining our logic. Members have seen so many parts of the meat grinder that is our legislature. They’ve seen our legislative friends stand at our side and fight our fight. They’ve seen our enemies come to us with smiles and lies.

Over the past two years, we’ve been in the legislature. We’ve been in the streets. We’ve held dozens of public protests and meetings, and we’ve had thousands of private conversations with friends and associates. And not only have we gotten involved, but we’ve convinced others to join us in the fight for our liberty.

Our membership loves to thank me and our board. Sean Dill‘s favorite response to that is “without all of you we’re just nine people trying to get something done.” With all of you, we are a political force to be reckoned with. And the post powerful piece of that is not the nine of us, and it’s damn sure not me. It’s the thousands of conversations that have happened on facebook, at your work, on ranges, at gun counters, and with your friends and neighbors. It is an awakening that is occurring in this state, and it is YOU that rings the alarm bell raising the apathetic from their slumber.

The next time you look at your membership card or your t-shirt, allow yourself a tinge of pride. Know that your voice is heard, and know that you’ve been responsible for changing the direction of the great state of West Virginia.”

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Rob: There is a lot more to New York state than New York City.  Grace Baptist Church in Troy, New York wants to attract new parishioners to a special Sunday service later this month.  The church sent out a flyer advertising a raffle.  The flyer reads “Win a free AR-15” and “…my peace I give unto you…” John 14:27  Yes, the winning prize is a New York compliant AR-15 rifle.

One state assemblyman supported the raffle saying the rifle is a product that is legal to sell and churches have raffles all the time.  Another Troy pastor said he has been trying to get guns out of the community.  A city councilwoman said there must be a better way to get people into church.  As usual with guns and religion, most speakers talk past each other as they try to make their own point.

I’m for freedom of religion, and for raffles.. and for AR rifles.  What’s not to like?

Gun Quotes
That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms…  Samuel Adams
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this.

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Seg 3 Interviews with Keith Morgan of West Virginia Citizens Defense League

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Segment 4 DGUs
http://www.examiner.com/article/conn-police-refuse-to-enforce-new-gun-laws
We’ve received preliminary and unconfirmed reports that the head of the Connecticut Peace Officers’ Assn has released an open letter stating that the police will not “be party to the oppression of the people of the state by enforcing an unconstitutional law.” So far 250 LEOs have cosigned the letter.

Paul: NRA letter.

Rob: There was an attempted robbery last Wednesday in Maryland.  I know that Maryland has strict gun laws, but these two guys didn’t get the memorandum.  Two men walked into a jewelry store when one of the men pulled a handgun from his waistband.  He demanded the clerk behind the counter hand over money and put jewelry into their backpacks.  That is when the store owner in the back room grabbed his shotgun and pointed it at the robbers.  They fled in an extreme hurry and were last seen driving away in a brown car.

The good news is that the store owner saved the life of the clerk and no shots were fired.  I bet the brown car matched their brown pants.

John: DGU- There was a daytime home invasion in my neck of the woods this week. In Leicester, which is a small rural community just west of Asheville, 2 men kicked in the door of a home on Dix Creek Rd No. 1 around 11 Thursday morning. The homeowner grabbed a pistol and shot one of the intruders which caused them to flee. A half hour later a man showed up with a gunshot wound at Mission Hospital. This led investigators to arrest Stacey Eugene Lail, 40, and Chico Talbert, 37, for attempted robbery with a dangerous weapon and conspiracy to commit robbery.

Sheriff Van Duncan said the homeowner was within his rights to fire at the intruders. The homeowner was fortunately not hurt in this home invasion.

Rachel: DGU- Miami’s Little Havana is a little safer today.  A security guard at Presidente Supermarket had to take on a machete wielding mad man.  Last Wednesday, the swordsman walked into the store and announced he was going to kill everyone.  They knew he was serious when he stabbed one of the customers.  The store security guard then shot the swordsman.  The report isn’t clear if the security guard pushed the attacker outside or if the attacker pursued the security guard who ran outside.  The sword wielding attacker was shot outside the store and fell to the ground.  He is listed in critical condition.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Greg from Bremmerton sent in a link about a Michigan credit union that changed an anti gun policy.  http://www.m1ccu.org/BeHeard_116.html

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, John, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

John: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

John: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new blog posts you want to mention?
Rob.  I wrote about Connecticut gun laws in an article that came out yesterday.  Politicians and judges can make bad decisions and make us less safe, or they can choose to make all of us safer.  If the judges get it wrong, then innocent gun owners could get killed by police.  At the other extreme, a wise judge could enjoin the Connecticut gun laws until the courts rule on them.  The other 700 words are at my SlowFacts blog.  John, do you have any posts you want to talk about?

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

John: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Paul: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida CarryGeorgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

John: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rachel: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 216 – John McGregor

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, the first of March, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonights show we interviewed John McGregor from the Sig Sauer Academy.
Rob: I’m Rob and we’ll also have news, defensive gun use, and a tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson.
John: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 216 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Rob: Shopped for a gun on Friday.
John: You were at a Law Review symposium on the Second Amendment.
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Seg 2- News

Rob -New Jersey, heads up!  The Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs told us that the State Assembly is considering a bill reducing firearms capacity to 10 rounds.  There is no grandfathering or amnesty period in Assembly bill A2006.  This legislation outlaws many tube fed 22 caliber rifles by Browning, Marlin, Mossberg, Remington and Winchester.  Remember, magazines in New Jersey are fixed.  First the state required that magazines can’t be removed.. and then outlawed the part they required be fixed to the gun.  Violation of the law is a felony with a three year minimum sentence.

John- From our colleague David Codrea, the California Department of Justice added a so called “smart gun” to the handgun roster.  Of course, the smart gun doesn’t meet the required microstamping requirements.  Cal DOJ said the gun was admitted before the microstamping requirements went into effect.  No schedule was released.

Paul- Also from David,  a knife wielding gang killed 27 people in a China train station.  109 were injured.  Eventually the police arrived and shot some of the attackers.  Once again, disarming innocent citizens does not protect them.

John- It proves that Chinese politicians care as much about the safety of their citizens as New York politicians.

Rob -So much for background checks.  A total of 9 new rifles were stolen from the gun safe at a Memphis area Wallmart.  Most of our listeners are aware that criminals use stolen guns for crime and don’t bother with registering their firearms.

Paul- Criminals know background checks won’t stop them.  If only politicians were as smart as criminals.

John -One of the first prosecutions under New York’s SAFE act was brought to court, tried.. and dismissed.  Police officers stopped Paul Wojdan when Wojdan was a passenger in a car the police pulled over for speeding.  His registered and permitted firearm was in the glove compartment.  He had more rounds in the magazine than are permitted by New York law.  Lockport City Judge William Watson dismissed the misdemeanor charges since the the magazine was searched without a warrant.  Now, Wojdan wants all six of his firearms back since the Niagara County Sheriff’s Office confiscated all of the guns listed on his pistol permit.

Rob: California Attorney General Kamila Harris requested an en banc review and reversal of Peruta V San Diego.  She is shocked that the common people want to protect themselves.  Why, law enforcement has to grant licenses to mere commoners, gasp.  Harris used to be the District Attorney of San Francisco.

Paul- Also in California, Sheriff Adam Christianson of Stanislaus County, California wrote a defense of concealed carry licenses for the local newspaper.  The court’s recent rulings have no effect since Sheriff Christianson already issued permits on a shall issue basis with licenses increasing by another ten percent last year.  The police budget is being cut and the Sheriff hopes that criminals think twice now that citizens are armed.  The biggest problem the sheriff faces with license holders is that some drive while intoxicated.  Quoting the Sheriff, “I’ve heard plenty of rhetoric about abuse, vigilantism and other predictions of doom and gloom related to the issuance of concealed carry permits. To date, we’ve not had a single incident or occurrence where that has happened.”

John: Sounds like the sheriff is smarter than the attorney general.

John- A Michigan state senator has introduced legislation simplifying the process to receive a concealed carry license.  Sen. Mike Green introduced Senate Bill 789 which would decrease the renewal fee from $105 to $90 and use the Michigan State Police to run background checks.

John: Comment on Canadian RCMP changing their regulations. On Feb 27th at 10 pm, the RCMP reclassified the Swiss Arms PE90 – the Canadian equivalent of the SIG 551 – from being either unrestricted or restricted to prohibited. 10 years earlier that had said the firearm was OK to own. The approximately 1,800 Canadians who bought one over the last 10 years have to turn them in and will not be compensated. They have suggested gun owners ask their dealers for refunds.

Rob- In Illinois, the first 5 thousand concealed carry licenses were scheduled to be printed and mailed yesterday.  These licenses are for the initial applicants who helped check out the statewide applications system.  Most of them are firearms instructors.  We should be getting pictures from our friends in Illinois by mid-week.

Paul- That reminds me that Illinois Gun Lobby Day (IGOLD) is coming up next Wednesday, march 5th.  The website is I G O L D . I S R A .org  of do a websearch on IGOLD.

John- Comment on the gun owners law seminar.  Blackman talked about 3D printing of guns.  Plans and drawings are protected speech under the first amendment.

Rob- Domestic violence victims in Kentucky could apply for an expedited permit to carry a concealed gun under a bill passed by the Kentucky House. House Bill 351 would allow the state to quickly issue concealed-carry permits for 45 days to people who have received court protective orders in abuse cases. The Senate Judiciary Committee approved a similar bill, SB 106, on Thursday.  That is some good news for people in trouble.
Paul- Gun Quotes-
“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel.” —Patrick Henry
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back with listener comments after this

Segment 3
Mike Vanderboegh strongly worded letter-
Paul: We had a comment on the website:
I took Robs side on Mike Vanderbough releasing names of the politicians voting for CT’s latest anti gun legislation. I completely understand where you were coming from with not releasing addresss’s.
That was until you validated your opinion. That’s when I felt stabbed in the back. You said “they did nothing wrong” until they do i.e. gun confiscation, the names and address shouldn’t be released.
That means you don’t believe that anti 2A bill CT just passed is wrong. They totally infringed our 2A rights. They already did wrong, you just pulled a Guns & ammo Metcalf moment.
That’s really bad, real bad.

John:
Rob: We disagree. Did you read Mike’s letters? You trust Connecticut gun owners with an AR, but not an address? I’m sorry, but I don’t get it.

Mike posted the names and addresses of Connecticut legislators who outlawed the AR15 and standard capacity mags. You say that Mike Vanderboegh is inciting violence by posting the names and addresses of Connecticut politicians. I think he is helping to reduce the likelihood of violence. You say he is creating a problem. I say the Connecticut politicians created the problem and Mike is trying to minimize the result.

This is how we got here. The Connecticut politicians outlawed the most common rifle in America. In legal terms, it is a firearm in common use”. Existing rifles must be registered. Most gun owners declined. These same politicians then told CT gun owners to turn in their firearms or face arrest and prosecution.

I paraphrase Mike for brevity, but this is what he asked honest gun owners to do- “First, we must — we have a moral duty to — use every peaceful way to avoid violence right up to the moment they open fire on innocent civilians.”

Mike asked Connecticut politicians to stop their war on gun owners before it turns bloody. “I am BEGGING you.. to use your power to suspend the enforcement of the new gun laws until they are ruled constitutional or not by the United States Supreme Court.”

We’ve seen police use unnecessary no-knock warrants. We report on them several times a month. We’ve seen honest citizens get killed in those no-knock entries. The blood of honest citizens is not the correct solution for a political problem, a problem the Connecticut politicians created for themselves.

I am afraid the political status quo will lead to bloodshed and I think the Connecticut politicians are to blame. Mike asked moral gun owners to hold politicians accountable for the problem the politicians created. Mike said, “People victimized by their own state authorities in an unconstitutional law.. will blame the people who sent the killers to their door.”

Honest gun owners are not a risk to public safety so there is no pressing need for police action. None. The only risk is to some politician’s reputation. THAT is precisely the problem, and some of the politicians want to mask their political failure with innocent blood. That is despicable. A police state oppressing honest citizens is not a good political solution.

Politicians work for us. They are public figures. They need to be seen and known to the public they serve. That is how the American system works. It promotes violence when government officials live in secret and are insulated from the people they serve. History has taught us that. Mike asked Connecticut citizens to walk up to the front door of these politicians and ask them to overturn their oppressive gun laws. Welcome to democracy, face to face. That is exactly what Rachel is advocating in the Texas caucuses.

If you don’t want to meet and talk to the citizens then don’t become a politician.

Speaking for myself, I don’t want the police to come between the people and the politicians. A violent police state is profoundly dangerous. We’ve seen the police step out of the way before. It is called the blue flu.

It is time for the state police to step back and stop being pawns.

We have a three segment interview coming up with John McGregor. John is an active law enforcement officer as well as being an instructor at the Sig Sauer Academy in New Hampshire.

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John- DGU-A homeowner in Pine County Minnesota heard someone unexpectedly open the door to his his  home at two in the morning.  The homeowner grabbed his handgun and confronted the intruder standing in his living room.  The homeowner held the intruder at gunpoint and called police.  When the police were arriving, the intruder reached for his waistband.  The homeowner fired and the intruder fled.  Police followed tracks in the snow and located a man hiding in a snow bank behind a tree. The man was treated for hypothermia then booked into the Pine County Jail.  A vehicle, connected to the suspect, was found nearby.

Paul- DGU- This is sad news.  A young robber died and three young people face murder charges.  Two young men attempted a robbery armed with a 20 gauge shotgun.  Two accomplices waited in a get away car.  They demanded drugs and money from a homeowner in Hubert, North Carolina.  The homeowner secured and fired his 22 caliber pistol wounding the gunman.  The four fled, but crashed their car into another vehicle while en route to the hospital.  The 21 year gunman was taken to Camp Lejeune Naval Hospital for treatment, but was later pronounced dead.

Rob- DGU- A pizza delivery driver shot and wounded two robbers Thursday night in northwest Harris County, Texas.  Two men armed with guns and wearing bandanas over their faces entered the Domino’s Pizza Parlor and demanded money.  The delivery driver was in the store at the time, and had 25 years experience as a Harris County  Deputy Sheriff.  He drew his duty weapon and fired, injuring the two gunmen.  The gunmen were transported to Taub Medical Center in critical condition.  Neither the deputy nor other Domino’s employees were injured.  A Vice President at Domino’s pizza said they have a no weapons policy, but this a very unusual situation since their delivery driver was also an officer of the law.
Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rob: Listener e-mail discussion
Email from Shawn in Ohio:
Enjoyed the show. I am a resident of Ohio and a graduate of TDI’s F.A.S.T.E.R. Program sponsored by Buckeye Firearms Ass. It was great to hear your interview with Jim Ervin.
Shawn

Email from Ian:
Hi Paul, your initial reaction was not too surprising at the guy who wanted the English lady’s introduction removed. Your justification and emotional response was a pleasure to hear.

Thank you.
The reason I thank you?

I’m English, and I am also partner in a firearms training company called FAST OC down here in California… where I have had the pleasure of teaching quite a few Americans how to shoot. With my English accent.

I am also very community orientated and grow sick of the small minded idiocy of a percentage of gun owners that simply do not understand what they are saying… and how bigoted they are. It gets really weird when they are contradicting the fact that we are talking about, as you rightly pointed out, a human right. So few people seem to want to push back and explain that, and so the ignorance perpetuates itself.

Wouldn’t it be a bit weird if only American Citizens could keep and bear arms? It would make American citizens a protected class, missing the whole damn point of the 2nd Amendment!

As for Piers Morgan… I know the UK doesn’t want him back. There are two types of people back in the homeland. Those who despise Piers Morgan, and those who REALLY despise Piers Morgan.

Anyway, thanks again for making your position clear and thanks for the podcast. It’s one of the finest.
Regards,
Ian

John: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Paul: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: I have two of them.  One of them covers the expected backlog of carry licenses.  We expect 60 thousand applications in my county alone.

I wrote another post called Crazy Gun Laws for Us, but Not for Them.   Over and over we’re told gun regulations are essential to save lives, yet each time these public safety laws are written, public safety officers are the first to receive exemptions.  You can tell an abusive law when the politicians exempt themselves and other government employees.  That post was picked up at Clash Daily and Ammoland.  Both are on my blog.

John, do you have any blog posts that you want to talk about?  I wrote about the Canadian RCMP re-regulation at http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2014/02/interesting-controversy-going-on-in.html

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Rob: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

John: since the Canadians are listening, join CSA and NFA And Grass Roots North Carolina.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 214 – Jim Irvine

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Intro- Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society. This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, the 22nd of February, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talked with Jim Irvine of Buckeye Firearms about training teachers for self-defense
Rob: I’m Rob and my sheriff is in the news, so we’ll talk about NEWS and DGUS
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob:strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 214 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1 Personal news from each participant
Rachel: I’m in Oklahoma. Couldn’t find spices at Walmart, but can open carry down the street and go shopping.  I put on some training classes for the Texas party conventions. Texas has conventions at the local, district and state level. Not much sleep.
Rob: I introduced a friend of the family to firearms. We did a touch and ask session yesterday, and we took her to the range today. I was looking to rent a carry gun at the range, but the range selection was lame.
Paul: I’ve been sick. Tomorrow I get to watch the Datona 500. I’m a big motor racing fan.  Trying to get well.  Carrying now.

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Paul-A Republican proposal to repeal an antiquated law on out-of-state rifle and shotgun purchases has been approved unanimously by the Colorado Senate. The bill would undo a 1969 law that says Coloradans may purchase, but not take possession of, a shotgun or rifle unless they buy it in Colorado or a contiguous state.  Welcome, Colorado, to the 1990s and the age of the internet.

Rachel-Connecticut State law enforcement officials are now in the difficult position of dealing with one of the most widely ignored and despised laws since Prohibition.  By law, Connecticut will have to find space to imprison 300,000 residents for the next five years for disobeying a law that will not reduce crime.  Connecticut’s 15 prisons currently hold 16,839 behind bars at an annual cost of $620 million. Full compliance with Connecticut’s new gun laws means their prison costs would exceed the entire state budget.  It is hard to respect the law when the legislature disrespects the citizens.

Rob-We covered this self-defense case in our last episode, but Detroit Police Chief James Craig commented on the way a Detroit mother protected herself from three intruders who kicked in her back door.  The Chief acknowledging the mother gave a verbal warning prior to firing the weapon. Quote, “She protected herself and her young children. The victim did nothing at all wrong.  Even after the victim advises the suspects that she was armed, they continued an aggressive attempt to enter her home.”

Thank you, Chief Craig.

Paul- We reported earlier that Minnesota police challenged the NFL’s ban on firearms in their stadiums, their offices and their training areas.  Texas is going a step further and saying that the NFL’s regulations don’t apply in Texas.  Texas state law states that so long as off-duty law enforcement officers check in at specific gates and let stadium employees know where they’ll be sitting, they are allowed to carry a firearm.  Mac Tristan, president of the Texas Police Association, said the rules requiring off-duty police officers to inform stadium employees as to their whereabouts makes sense.

Rachel-County commissioners in Clark County, Washington requested a new policy allowing county employees to carry concealed weapons. The county’s current policy prohibits employees from bringing concealed firearms to work, even if they have a permit to carry in public. Other people, including elected officials and the public, are exempt from the policy and may bring weapons into some county buildings. Commissioners said loosening the county’s prohibition on employees carrying concealed guns would deter acts of workplace violence and ensure equal rights.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2022961874_clarkcountygunsxml.html?syndication=rss

Rob-In the “this is starting to get old” file, Guns Save Life tells us that a Chicago area school suspended an 11 year old boy after he voluntarily turned in his non-functioning toy gun to school officials. The toy was forgotten in his jacket pocket and he was subjected to intense questioning by school security and threats while his mother was not present.

Paul- Some school officials ASK children to turn in toy guns at schools. Which is it? Do children comply with the rules.. or is the toy gun merely a pretext to criticize a young child?

Paul: Gun Quotes
If you can’t trust citizens with freedom, then you sure can’t trust the government with power.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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I learned a lot from Jim. As he said, this is not about guns. This is about saving children’s lives.No one cares how safe the school is, even if it is safe compared to other locations. The number one cause of injury in our schools is violence, not accidents. If the number one cause of injury and death was drowning then there is no question we would teach swimming and have life guards.

Rachel: DGU- A burglar remains in critical condition after he was shot by a business owner after breaking into an automotive repair shop in Beltsville, Maryland. Deryck Nedd forced his way into the shop around 11:20 p.m. He was confronted by the owner and shot during a confrontation inside the repair shop office. The burglar fled and crashed his car a short distance away. He is expected to survive. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/02/19/man-shot-breaking-into-business-in-beltsville/

Rob: DGU- A Jennings County, Indiana Grandmother shot a 28 year old man in the leg Saturday after she found him in her 16-year-old granddaughter’s bedroom.  Daniel Sidwell was taken to St. Vincent Hospital in Indianapolis for treatment of a gunshot wound to his right ankle after the incident.  The Grandmother was not charged, thought the case is not closed.

The guy is alive, so I think Grandma showed considerable restraint. http://www.therepublic.com/view/local_story/Woman-shoots-man-in-Jennings-C_1392777892

Paul: DGU- An un-named suspect tried to break into an East San Jose, California home and fired shots at the homeowner.  That is when the homeowner armed himself and returned fire.  Two people were seen getting into a vehicle and driving away.  A short time later a man was dropped off at an area hospital with at least one gunshot wound and declared dead. http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_25197380/san-jose-shooting-leaves-one-dead-police-say

Rachel: TAMPA — Ivette Ros is a the 37-year-old Tampa resident, a single mother of three children, and a bank manager.  At least she was.  Wells Fargo fired her for carrying her firearm to work.  Ros has filed a lawsuit in circuit court against Wells Fargo Bank, which she said fired her last year from her job as manager at the bank’s Oldsmar branch. Her lawsuit says the firing violated her constitutional right to carry arms and asks for monetary damages and attorney fees. http://tbo.com/news/crime/bank-manager-fired-after-carrying-gun-into-work-files-suit-20140221/

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Rachel:  We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

paul: Listener e-mail discussion

Greg From Bremmerton sent in a story tells the story of a Texas voter who was turned away from early voting polls because he was wearing a pro-2nd Amendment t-shirt. The t-shirt, which had the slogan “The 2nd Amendment – America’s original Homeland Security was deemed to be electioneering. Electioneering is promoting a particular candidate or issue within a specified distance of a polling place.

Rob: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in Centerton Arkansas in early March.

Rachel:, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: I do.  The San Diego Union Tribune reports that San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore told his Board of Supervisors he will not appeal the recent ninth circuit court ruling.  The court  ruling established self-defense as sufficient cause to issue a concealed carry permit.  Sheriff Gore’s decision does not mean the case will not be appealed.  It means that San Diego won’t do so.  A judge on the circuit court could do so, but that is unlikely.

District of the Ninth Circuit Court

The ninth circuit district covers the western US and Hawaii and Alaska.  Anti-gun legislators outside the ninth circuit district don’t want the Peruta v. Gore case to rise to the Supreme Court.  This is because of the prejudicial nature of the Sheriff’s prior decisions and because of the thorough analysis by the three judge panel of the ninth circuit court.

This is good news for the residents of California, Hawaii and Guam.  Some California counties like Orange County have already changed their carry license policy.  San Diego will wait until the court ruling is finalized.   Because the decision was not appealed to the Supreme Court, it offers cold comfort to gun owners in New Jersey and Maryland.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening CSA and NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 212 – Joe Kalil and Miguel Gonzalez

Stinger- You’re listening to the Polite Society Podcast.
Intro- Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society. This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded Sunday, February 16, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Rob: I’m Rob, and on tonights show we interviewed Joe Kalil who is working on a program to arm and train Kentucky school teachers.
Paul: Rob also interviewed Miguel Gonzalez about violent riots in Venezuela where citizens are disarmed,so climb aboard
Rob:strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 212 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in Centerton Arkansas in early March.
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Paul: A three judge panel of the Ninth Circuit Courts affirmed the right of law-abiding citizens to carry handguns for lawful protection in public.  The case was brought because  San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore had some very stringent requirement before he would grant a concealed carry license.  He required that each citizens demonstrate he faced a specific and immediate threat to his life or his application would be rejected.  Some judges agreed with him.  Some did not.

The trial court said the Sheriff knew best.  The Appeals Court said that citizens didn’t need concealed carry because they have open carry.  Then California outlawed Open Carry.

The 9th Circuit Court ruled that self-defense is sufficient cause to issue a license.  In a 2-1 opinion, the judges ruled that the Sheriff’s “good cause” provision violated the Second Amendment.  The district court has 14 days to render its reversal unless Sheriff Gore appeals the decision.

Rob: Of course those requirements don’t apply to lawyers in San Diego County.  Lawyers can get permits.  I’ve spoken with San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore.  I’ve heard him speak several times.  Each time he says he wants to issue CCW permits, but is blocked from doing so by state law.  Now we have hard legal evidence the Sheriff is wrong and that he can issue permits.  If he was telling the truth before, then this decision should be great news for Sheriff Gore.  We will see if he has been lying before and appeals the decision now.

I’ve heard conflicting reports on an appeal and I’ll hold my comments until I have solid news.

Paul: The state of Arizona could impose fines on cities and towns that enforce gun ordinances stricter than the state’s own laws. House Bill 2517, sponsored by Rep. Steve Smith, would impose a civil penalty of up to $5,000 on city and town governments that violate the statute. Smith said he wants the state “to have some teeth” in enforcing the law.  The legislature has repeatedly clarified its preemption over the regulation of both firearms and knives.  Arizona gun owners should call.

-Rob: In Idaho, Senator Marv Hagedorn wrote a bill that would punish law enforcement officials if they helped enforce any new federal firearms restrictions. The 2013 version passed in the Idaho House but died in an Idaho Senate Committee. This year Hagedorn is trying a different strategy by trying to get the bill passed in the Senate before heading to the Idaho House where the bill should have a better chance of passage.

-The Republican majority of the Idaho Senate State Affairs Committee overwhelmingly approved a measure which would allow citizens with Idaho’s enhanced carry license to carry concealed firearms onto public college campuses.  The bill has to go before the House and full Senate.  Some school administrators claimed blood would flow in the streets.. again.

-A vocal group of Indiana parents wants school employees to be able to carry a gun on campus.  Eight parents and community members spoke out to Twin Lakes school board members. They want school staff to be able to carry a concealed firearm on school grounds in order to protect the children in a time of need. However, the board heard a policy that would keep that from happening. The policy states that no school employee, volunteer, or school board member, even if they’re licensed in the state to carry a gun, should possess or handle one on school grounds.

That policy of unilateral disarmament is against the guidance of the best minds studying public violence.  Does the school board have any idea the liability they just assumed?

-Also in Indiana, should a sworn police officer be allowed to carry a gun on school property if he’s working there as a private citizen? A grounds keeper for Concord Community Schools says his status as an Elkhart County reserve officer means he can. But the Concord superintendent says that officer violated school policy and broke the law. On January 28, Rick Ball went into work at Concord. All of the corporation’s schools were closed because of weather, but as a grounds worker he still had to be there. That same day, Ball was involved in a car accident in a school vehicle and that’s when his boss found out Ball was carrying a gun. That supervisor reported the firearm to the school superintendent who met with Ball at the end of the week and told him he would either be fired or forced to resign.  As an Elkhart County Sheriff’s reserve deputy, Ball has a badge and gun and can arrest anyone at anytime. The only thing that makes him different from other deputies is the fact that he’s not paid for any of his service to the department – it’s all volunteer work.

This sounds like anti-gun bigotry to me.

It sounds like the school superintendent has too much time and money on his hands.

-Kansas gun owners would be able to carry a loaded handgun in cars regardless of whether they have a conceal-carry permit if a bill headed to the House floor becomes law. HB2473 would make gun laws uniform throughout the state by preventing local governments from enacting or enforcing regulations. The bill, sponsored by Rep. Jim Howell, R-Derby, passed without opposition in the Federal and State Affairs Committee on Wednesday. Rep. Michael Houser, R-Columbus, offered an amendment – which also passed without opposition – that would make it legal for all Kansans to carry a loaded handgun inside their automobiles. This treats a car as an extension of one’s home.

-Most were expecting an old-time argument with proponents and opponents facing off over New Hampshire House Bill 1589 to require background checks for all sales of firearms.  That never happened.  The House spent an hour-and-a-half in parliamentary maneuvering before finally killing the bill 242 to 118.

The vote wasn’t close.

-Athens County, Ohio Sheriff Pat Kelly made headlines a few weeks ago.  He refused to renew some current concealed handgun license-holders if the license holder had ever been arrested or charged.  The state Attorney General said that is a misapplication of Ohio law, but the Sheriff persists.  Now Sheriff Kelly has been indicted by a grand jury on 25 counts.  The Sheriff claims he is innocent of fraud and misuse of public funds, but by his own criteria, will he turn in his license to carry?

Laws for the Sheriff and different laws for us?

-Vets are being denied gun ownership.  Merely signing your financial affairs over to your spouse while you are deployed is now being used as cause for the VA to declare a veteran “incompetent”.  The VA sent out letters telling vets to turn in their guns and relinquish his 2nd Amendment Rights, or face going to prison.  Some vets have successfully appealed that decision to the FBI to have the unajudicated VA report of incompetence removed from their NICS file.

-The Connecticut Police are quite slow in arresting one of their own.  A Bridgeport police officer who accidentally shot himself in the leg in a crowded bagel shop has been arrested on a gun charge. State police said they charged 55-year-old Juan Santiago of Bridgeport with unlawful discharge of a firearm in connection with the Dec. 17 incident at the Bagel King on Main Street. Troopers say Santiago was sitting with three other Bridgeport officers when he mishandled a pistol that fired a shot [sic] through his left thigh. No one else was injured. Santiago was treated at a hospital. Local firearms owners protested the double standard of how a civilian would be charge with a negligent discharge versus a law enforcement officer.

Laws for them and laws for us?

-Reading, Writing and Firearms Responsibility- Knowing how to handle a gun is a vital part of being a responsible owner.. so a south Georgia technical college is working to make sure people buying guns know how to use them safely. The Southwest Georgia Technical College offers the NRA basic pistol course.  That course includes both classroom and range training for $70. The instructor says more women are signing up for the classes.

Rob: Compare this with Los Angeles area junior colleges where the NRA course was recently forbidden, and with Georgia that wants training to improve firearms safety.  Also note that Georgia does not require training to receive a carry license.

-“There are a lot of untrained people out there,” said former Riverton Police Captain and and gun safety instructor Mark Stone of Riverton, Wyoming. That’s a situation he would like to change.  Wyoming is now a “Constitutional Carry state so residents do not require training requirement to carry firearms or to receive a concealed carry license.  Captain Stone suggests training, and 60 to 65 percent of his students have been women.

I agree with Captain Stone.  Please get training.

-The Wyoming House advanced HB 111 to allow local school boards to permit teachers and other school workers who hold concealed carry permits to carry their guns at schools.

Representative Kendell Kroeker spoke against the bill. He co-sponsored another bill that would allow anyone who holds a concealed carry permit, not only school employees, to bring guns onto school and college campuses.

Toto, I don’t think we’re not in California any more.
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-Wyoming is leading a coalition of 19 states asking the U.S. Supreme Court to let them submit a brief supporting a New Jersey man’s challenge to New Jersey’s concealed weapons law.

The Wyoming Attorney General’s Office, acting as lawyer for Wyoming and the other states, asked the Supreme Court to grant a hearing challenging a recent appeals court ruling.  The brief says Wyoming and the other states are concerned that if the appeals court ruling stands, it could threaten their less-restrictive concealed carry laws.

-An Anne Arundel County Maryland police spokesman said the police department is re-examining its weapons policy. Last week an officer’s car was broken into in front of his home.  The officer noticed a department issued Colt 223 rifle, a Sig Sauer SRT 40-caliber handgun, ammunition and a ballistic vest were missing.

Would you leave your weapons in your car overnight?

-Remington Arms said they are opening a new plant in Alabama.  The existing plant in Ilion (ill-e-on), NY would remain open, but with reduced staff.

I’ll buy Remington equipment again when they close their plants in New York.

Gun Quote of the day- “Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it’s not an individual right or that it’s too much of a public safety hazard, don’t see the danger in the big picture. They’re courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don’t like.” Professor Alan M. Dershowitz

#2 As I have stood in the crosshairs of those who target Second Amendment freedoms, I’ve realized that firearms are not the only issue. No, it’s much, much bigger than that. I’ve come to understand that a cultural war is raging across our land, in which, with Orwellian fervor, certain acceptable thoughts and speech are mandated. — Charlton Heston

We have two interviews for you.  We interviewed Joe Kalil who advocates arming teachers in Kentucky.  Joe is an airline pilot and wants to use the same stringent guidelines used when qualifying armed pilots in a program to arm teachers.  We first heard about Joe from a listener tip.  His site is POST Ky.com

We also interviewed Miguel Gonzalez about violent riots in Venezuela where citizens are disarmed.  The police shoot unarmed protesters and throw opposition politicians in jail.  Miguel is from Venezuela and writes the blog “Gun Free Zone”.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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DGU- Houston Police Department Officer J. Johnson was just leaving the movies with his girlfriend, when a sedan pulled up next to them.  One of the the men in the car pointed a handgun at the couple. Officer Johnson drew his concealed firearm and fired several shots at the vehicle.  The vehicle was sped away, but turned up a short time later at an area hospital. Two of the three occupants of the car were treated for non life threatening gunshot wounds and the third person was taken into custody by police. All three suspects are charged with aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon.  The officer and his girlfriend were not harmed.

DGU- The owner of a Rocky Mount North Carolina convenience store shot and wounded one of three armed men who tried to rob his store.  Three men entered Mix Mart at about 9 p.m. Two of the men were armed with handguns while the third suspect attempted to rob the 43-year-old man.  The three suspects fled when the store owner drew his own handgun and fired.  Police soon found an 18 year old shooting victim and flew him to a nearby medical center where he is listed in critical condition.

DGU- Two men were trying to break into a Houston, Texas Smoke Box.  The store was closed, but the manager was still inside.  The manager retrieved a gun and confronted the suspects when he shot one of the suspects in the head.  The suspect was transported to Ben Taub Hospital and the other suspect was taken into custody.

DGU- This is from my friend Jennifer Cruz at the Gun Rights Examiner-
An attempted robbery Sunday morning in Lincolnville, South Carolina ended fatally for the suspect after the 76-year-old intended victim shot him with a .38 revolver.  Charles Petit was walking towards his car when he was confronted by 25-year-old Robert Deziel. It wasn’t the first time that Petit, a jewelry store owner, had been robbed.  Petit was knocked to the ground with Deziel on top of him while the younger Dezel attempted to shock him with a stun gun.  The 76-year old Petit drew his own gun.  Quote, “I shot about three times before I hit him because he had me on the ground trying to tase me.”  Police found the mugger lying on the front of the carport, where he was pronounced dead.

DGU- 28 year old Stephan Aceves (ACE-VEZZ) knocked on a stranger’s house in west Pasco, Washington around 2:30 Friday morning.  One of the occupants is a security guard at a nearby nuclear site.  He retrieved his firearm and shouted for the intruder to go away.  Acevez entered the front of the house and the occupant, fired several shots.  Police found Aceves dead in the front yard.  The guard lived at the home with his girlfriend and young children.

DGU- Neilsson Owens, 41, was shot and arrested after witnesses caught him red handed. Neilsson was caught stealing copper from an apartment complex after witnesses heard some racket coming from the basement.. twice.  they went back the second and found Owens trying to steal the copper. “One of the witnesses had a gun. They were in the process of escorting Owen from underneath the apartment complex and they were in the process of calling the police when Mr. Owens started a struggle and he reached for the gun and that’s when one of the witnesses shot him in the leg,” said Lt. McDuffie. http://fox10tv.com/2014/02/11/suspect-shot-caught-stealing-copper/

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Segment 5 Show close
Tips and tricks segment with Kathy Jackson.
Paul: We don’t have any specific emails to talk about this episode, but I do want to talk a little bit about some feedback I have gotten personally about my run for office.
Rob: You might compromise your methods, but not your principles.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.
Rob: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Paul: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here. The shooting portion of the class is full, but there are seats for the Mag 20 classroom still available.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new blog posts you want to mention?
Rob: I commented on the Ninth Circuit decision and Sheriff Gore at my SlowFacts blog

Rob: Please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. There is also going to be a giveaway in June for Bob’s S&W Shield. All members of the shooters club are automatically entered to win. By joining you do help our show.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and don’t forget Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Paul: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 210 – Bob Owens and Anthony Colandro

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Catch up with each participant
Paul: We’re joined by Rachel Malone.
Rachel: Getting ready for 2A lobbying at the Texas State political conventions. Help set the tone at the primary rather than the general.
Rob: I remembered where I keep my guns, and put them on so I’d remember what it feels like. That is dry practice. Sort of.
Paul: Doing the firearms twostep as I drive from state to state. Leaving Illinois and heading to Georgia.
Tom: Bought a Ruger Mk I but have not shot it yet. I’m going to leave the show. I’ll tell you when I announce my new projects. I’m excited about the Polite Society meeting in two weeks. I’ll shoot either my Springfield XD or Baby Eagle. Both are 40 cal.
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Tom: This article on police no-knock raids is from the Washington Post which included videos of a raid that took place in Des Moines, Iowa.  The homeowner was accused of credit card fraud.  He was sitting in the bathroom when his door was broken in.  He drew his firearm, heard the police announce themselves, re-holstered his weapon and sat back down to wait for the police.
The homeowner says he didn’t hear the police announcement until after one officer had already tried to kick in the door. Had that officer been successful in entering the first time, there’s a good chance that the homeowner, the police officer, or both would be dead. The police department would then have argued that the homeowner should have known that the people crashing into his home were law enforcement. Excuse me?!

The police can not simultaneously argue that these violent entries are necessary to take suspects by surprise and also claim the surprised suspects should not react violently because they already know they are being raided police rather than criminals. That line of pure propaganda is exactly what the police are selling. When citizens are injured, that is the propaganda that most prosecutors and judges are buying.

Des Moines police said they “do not have a written policy governing how search warrants are executed.” The Washington Post said that’s inexcusable.

Rachel -One Texas grand jury isn’t buying the no-knock excuses any more.  The grand jury in Burleson County refused to issue an indictment for murder after a drug dealer shot and killed a deputy during a no-knock raid.  The defendant, Henry Goedrich Magee was indicted on drug charges.  Magee said he thought the deputy was burglarizing their home and that Magee and his pregnant girlfriend were being robbed.

As a purely practical matter, it appears that Magee was growing several marijuana plants in his backyard.  That evidence wasn’t going to fit down the toilet while the police are knocking on the front door and presenting a warrant.

Rob – I guess I could mail in this news article.  The US senate took a baby step towards freedom when they required the US post office to allow firearms in their parking lots.  There has never been a federal law preventing guns in post offices, but the US post office has established its own regulations denying you arms.. and they have more lawyers than we do.

Paul:  But not more lawyers than the US senate.

Paul: -This is a case of putting your hands and feet where your heart guides you. Guns for Everyone was founded in 2010 as a joke.. until lawmakers in the Colorado legislature decided to write so many anti-gun laws.  Then, Guns for Everyone started offering free firearms training.  Their free training includes free kids handgun safety classes, and some of the classes are taught BY youngsters.  “What better way for kids to learn than with the help of other kids. These classes are also supervised by an NRA Certified Instructor.”  The class outline is pretty serious.

  • Handgun Rules and Etiquette
  • Handgun Safety
  • Fundamentals of Shooting
  • The kids get to shoot simulated guns

Their website is Concealed Carry for Free.com

Rachel: – Another piece of good news from Colorado, a bill received bi-partisan approval for CCW permit renewals in the county where you live.  Before it was the county where the permit was issued, so licensees could have quite a drive if they moved across the state.

Tom: -Two good Samaritans in Florida were trying to do a kid a favor by offering him a ride.  They quickly found themselves the victims of an attempted armed robbery or carjacking.

From the back seat of the car, Adrian Mangual-Ayala put a gun to their heads and threatened to kill the driver and passenger if they didn’t give him money.  The driver stopped the car and gave Ayala his money.  That is when the passenger jumped in the backseat and disarmed Manguel-Ayala, beating him so badly that his eye swelled shut.  The two good samaritans then held the gunman until the police arrived.  Authorities arrested 16 year old Mangual-Ayala on two counts of robbery with a firearm, unlawful possession of a firearm as well as violation of probation.

It isn’t a DGU, but I wanted to share a story with a happy ending.  Next time, carry concealed.

Rob: – Here is another Florida story with a happy ending, and it IS gun related.  Less than a week after Florida Carry filed its lawsuit, Eastern Florida State College revised its regulations to allow firearms in private vehicles on campus.  Florida Carry won a similar suit last December against the University of North Florida.  The reason these schools settled so fast is that Florida state law grants financial penalties against public entities and individuals who violate the rights of gun and defensive weapon owners.  Thank you, Florida Legislature and keep it up Florida Carry.

Paul: – Dennis Baxley is a Republican state representative in Florida.  He introduced a bill to protect children from being expelled due to educators “zero tolerance” of anything shaped like a gun in schools.  The representative calls it the “Pop-Tart Bill” after students were suspended for eating a corner of a poptart.

The bill would prohibit schools from taking disciplinary action for a range of possible infringements including vocalizing gun sounds, using hands to simulate a weapon, possessing a toy firearm made of legos, possessing a toy firearm that is smaller than two inches in length, and possessing a food item that resembles a firearm in shape.  The bill has received the support of the Florida House education Subcommittee which includes several educators and at least one Democrat.

Rachel: -South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley said she is eager to sign a bill working its way through the legislature to allow licensed gun owners to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol, though they can not consume while carrying.  Restraunt owners have the right to prohibit firearms in their businesses, but Governor Haley said she’d allow guns in if she owned a bar.

I knew there was a reason I like South Carolina.  South Carolina listeners should make a few phone calls and get that bill on the Governor’s desk.

Tom: Darn it, now I have to choose between South Carolina and Florida.  Nicki Goser help get the laws changed in Tennessee.

Rob: Did you know that the records of Florida license holders are NOT open to the public?  Plus-one for Florida.

Rachel: What about Texas?

Jump to Break:

Tom: Then how about New Mexico where a State Senate panel rejected a bill restricting firearms in the New Mexico Capitol. The Rules Committee voted 4-2 Wednesday against a measure that would have banned firearms, except by law enforcement officers, in the Senate chambers, galleries and committee rooms.

Rob: – Things aren’t so rosy in California.  U.S. District Judge Kimberly J. Mueller, an Obama appointed judge, will review California’s microstamping law as early as next week.  The state law demands civilian firearms must leave a unique mark on each shell casing.  Manufacturers say they can’t guarantee the microstamping, but the California Department of Justice and Attorney General Kamala Harris say the solution is to prohibit sales of all non-complying guns.  They state claims they didn’t outlaw the guns, they simply made requirements so no guns can be sold in the state.

There is stupid, and then there is California Stupid.. and I live there.

Paul: -This politician is telling the truth.  John Tkazyik, the mayor of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., said he quit the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns after he realized its objective was outright confiscation of firearms from law-abiding citizens.  “Under the guise of helping mayors facing a crime and drug epidemic, MAIG intends to promote confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens,” Tkazyik wrote in a Wednesday column in the Poughkeepsie Journal.  Mayor Tkazyik is one of about 50 mayors who left Illegal Mayors Against Guns.

Rachel: -This came item came from listener David Cole.  It is hard enough to become a commercial pilot.  It is doubly difficult to earn the right to fly armed for the defense of the aircraft, passengers and crew.  The Armed Pilots Program is one of the most rigorous, stringent and exclusive programs to put firearms in the hands of civilians, but that is the model Joe Kalil selected when he wanted to bring armed self-defense to public and private schools.  The project is called P.O.S.T. for Protect Our Students and Teachers, and it is a layered defense against an active murderer on school grounds.    Experts on public violence have moved far beyond the model of huddle and pray, but some school administrators remain stuck in the past.  The basics of the POST program include; only accept volunteers from school staff, pass initial interviews, background checks, drug tests, a polygraph test, and applicants must possess a state license to carry concealed.  That is before the several day training course begins.

Here is the good part.  This a non-political grass roots program that says we should remove the school board members who want to leave our children defenseless.  The program is initially directed at Kentucky schools, but could grow across the country.  Interested listeners should check out postky.org

Rob: I spoke with Joe Kalil.  Liability is not really an issue.

Tom: Gun Quotes
“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.” written 1700 years ago by the theologian Saint Augustine (Au-GUS-tin) of Hippo

Rob: We have two interviews coming up.  The first is Bob Owens talking about the terrible politicization of Connecticut gun laws.  The second is Anthony Colandro running for the NRA board of directors.

Paul: Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this.
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Segment 3  Interview with Bob Owens who writes at Bearing Arms.com
Interview with Anthony Colandro who owns Gun For Hire Range in Woodland Park, New Jersey  and is running for the NRA board of directors.

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob: DGU1- by an off duty officer.  Robert Lundy was at the wrong place at the wrong time.  He was at the local ford dealership in Taylor county Florida so his police car could be serviced.  A fifteen year employee of the dealership came in and started shooting people with a shotgun.  (Joe Biden, take note.)  Officer Lundy shot the madman within a minute and prevented a massacre.   Thank goodness there was a good man with a gun in the right place at the right time.

Rachel: DGU2- A DeKalb County, Georgia, woman came home early Tuesday and found two teenagers in her home.  Better late than never, she grabbed her gun.  One teen ran out the back door and the other tackled her to the ground. The woman fired several shots, but no one was injured.  , according to police. A neighbor’s security camera captured the teens, and the woman was able to lead police to the suspects.  DeKalb County police arrested a 16-year-old and a 17-year-old, whose names were not released.  “They were skipping school today,” Capt. Stephen Fore said.

Paul: You can share the show with a friend by sending them the link to our download page. You can also share any of our news or DGUs. We have the links to each article online at Polite Society Podcast.com
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Tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson talking about cold weather carry.

Listener e-mail discussion
Paul: From Marc in Ohio
Guys,
I am a father of four girls with a baby on the way. I just listened to the Bold Departure Podcast episode with you guys as guests. Thank you guys for having a very frank discussion. Kids require parenting not legislation.
I’m going to expose my method of firearm instruction for my kids. My kids’ ages are 13, 11, 8 and 5. All of them shoot to some degree. The youngest doesn’t even aim but she enjoys some trigger time. They all shoot .22 pistols and rifles. My 13 year old started shooting the .40 caliber pistol last year. They all shoot the AR. I realize our vice president’s opinion of the AR is it’s difficult to shoot but my 5 year old does just fine. All my girls have their own safety glasses and hearing protection. None of them have ever been forced to shoot. When I announce I’m headed out to shoot Who ever speaks up gets to come. Sometimes all of them come sometimes only one will come. Occasionally they ask me to take them shooting.
Play guns have no rules at our house. They are toys and are used as such. Real guns have rules. My rule is the girls can handle any gun they want any time they want. The catch is mom or dad must make it safe first. Once in awhile one of the kids gets the itch to hold one of my EDC guns. They ask to hold it. I make it safe and hand it to them. I watch their muzzle discipline with amazement. They all understand the potential energy of firearms. They respect them and enjoy the shooting.
I was asked recently by my youngest to look at my Glock 22. I removed the mag and locked the slide back. I handed it to her. My 5 year old pointed the pistol at the ground, turned her body and raised the muzzle towards the field in back of the house. She makes some shooting noises. She will point the muzzle back at the floor and turn to hand it back to me. It’s amazing to see.
My kids see myself and their mother every day. There is no curiosity to be satisfied. They can touch any weapon they want any time it’s made safe. Just to make sure we don’t misjudge, all firearms are on our person or in the safe.

I have a great story to share. A police officer friend tells me about a ground hog in his back yard. He decided he needed to shoot this ground hog. He retrieved his service rifle from his cruiser. When he walked through his home carrying his M-16 his 10 year old daughter gasp in fear. She assumed terrible things were going to happen with daddy carrying that scary gun. In contrast, when I walk through my house carrying an AR I usually hear cheers and chants of, “Can I Come”. My kids know it’s time to go shooting!

Keep representing gun owners in a positive light.
Marc in Ohio.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Tom: That’s 605- 215- 1438 and we sprinkled salt on it so the answering machine has more traction.

Tom: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in early March.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Tom: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Colorado Second Amendment Association, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Paul, That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 204 – with Allen Gottlieb, Pete Brownell and Kathy Jackson

Rob: An armed society is a polite society.. and welcome to the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: We’re recording today’s episode on Sunday, the 19th of January, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, on this show we have an interview with Allen Gottlieb and Pete Brownell
Paul: and we have a lots of news and DGUs as well as the return of Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat segment, so climb aboard.
Rob: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 204 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news- recovering from SHOT show.

Topic 1 BIG NEWS! The Polite Society Podcast will be running on http://www.ahib.us/ Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting is a West Virginia internet radio station that has been focusing on local high school sports and is expanding to include topical talk radio. We will be the morning drive show, on from 7 to 9 am weekdays eastern time!

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Paul: News #1 – Hollywood producer Harvey Weinstein said he is developing an anti-gun movie with actress Meryl Streep. Weinstein said “I’ll make a movie that makes the National Rifle Association wish they weren’t alive.”  Texas Senator Ted Cruz said “The Hollywood liberal elites, they have their view of things,” “Left-wing propaganda films” rarely do well at the box office and Senator Cruz predicted the movie would be a flop.
My thought is that the same guy who produced ultra-violent movies like Pulp Fiction, Halloween 3 and Kill Bill is suddenly a pacifist and against common citizens having tools for self-defense. The NRA trains firearms safety councilors, “Don’t Be a Victim” instructors, and puts on Women On-Target seminars. I can smell the hypocrisy from here.

Rob: News #2 One of Bloomberg’s MAIG cronies gets sent to jail for a gun crime.  Despite impassioned pleas from family and friends of former Marcus Hook Mayor James Schiliro, a Delaware County Court judge on Monday sent him to jail. Schiliro was sentenced to 10 to 20 months for an alcohol-fueled episode last February in which he had a police car bring a former neighbor – a 20-year-old to whom he said he was attracted – to his home, made him drink wine, and refused to let him leave for 31/2 hours. During the encounter, Schiliro threatened to kill himself and fired a gun into a stack of papers. The man eventually left and later called police… Schiliro is a past member of Bloomberg’s front Mayors Against Illegal guns, also known – thanks to several members of this sort – as Illegal Mayors Against Guns. Schiliro was among 600 local lawmakers who signed a letter to Congress calling for gun-control legislation. His name was dropped from the letter and the MAIG website after his arrest in March.

Paul: News #3 The vast majority of New York county law enforcement has refused to support the New York SAFE act.   Some of the act was declared unconstitutional.  A year after the law was passed, the mandatory registration scheme lacks necessary database software in a failure too reminiscent of the Obamacare website.  Law enforcement officers said the law would do not reduce crime, but could easily trap honest gun owners.

Rob: News  #4 Ruger says it is being forced out of California for sales of its semi-automatic pistols.  “We’re being forced out of the state by the California Department of Justice,” said Ruger CEO Mike Fifer. “The DOJ insists on microstamping, which doesn’t work, and is denying you your rights to have access to these guns.”
California law enforcement agencies are exempt from these state requirements.

Paul: News #5 Very Long time listeners to the show know that I have been incensed by the “Fast and Furious” scandal that the Obama administration wants to go away. This is the DOJ and BATFE operation where guns were intentionally allowed to “walk” across the border after being sold to known straw purchasers.

Now comes word via Forbes Magazine that the whole thing may have been set from the beginning as a secret agreement between the Obama administration and the Sinaloa drug cartel. The Sinaloa would provide information on other drug gangs in return for the US government leaving them to do their business.

The Obama administration has a long history of picking winners and losers economically, now it seems that they are doing the same with terrorist drug smugglers and enemies of governments that border us as well.

Host asks for comments before moving on.
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Segment 4 DGUs
Rob: DGU#1  In Chester PA, a robbery victim pulled a weapon on his attacker outside a Chester bar early Sunday, fatally shooting him. A 31-year-old Chester man with a history of previous arrests was armed with a handgun when he tried to rob 22-year-old Marcus Hook about 12:55 a.m.  Hook had a permit to carry a concealed weapon and exchanged fire with the robber, who carried the gun illegally. Both men were wounded and taken to a local Medical Center.  The robber was pronounced dead at the hospital, while the intended victim and successful self-defense victor was in serious condition.

DGU#2  A male suspect is in stable condition after being shot during a home invasion Saturday night in south Houston [TX], police said. According to the Houston Police Department, the suspect smashed in the front window of the Houston home with a piece of concrete just before 11 p.m.   The homeowner heard the noise and grabbed his gun. He then saw the suspect at his front door. The homeowner shot one time through the window, hitting the suspect in the stomach, police said. The suspect tried to get up and come after the homeowner, who then shot him a second time. The suspect was hit in the hand with the second shot. He was then taken to Ben Taub Hospital in serious but stable condition, police said.

DGU#3  A homeowner shot and killed an intruder in his home early Friday morning. It happened after 3 a.m. at the North-West Phoenix suburb.  The 77-year-old homeowner woke up to discover an intruder in his home. The homeowner grabbed his shotgun and fired once. The suspect, identified as 30-year-old William Thomas Mackey, was pronounced dead at the scene. Police spokesman said Mackey did not appear to be armed. One neighbor who heard the shot said she didn’t think much about it because crime has become a common occurrence in the neighborhood.  Police will forward the case to the Maricopa County Attorney’s Office for review after they conclude their investigation.

DGU#4 Also in Phoenix, Arizona, a 70 year old jewelry store owner put a young robber in the hospital.  The woman in her late twenties entered the store in a northern Phoenix suburb and tried to rob the store at gunpoint.  The store owner shot the thief several times and she fled the store.  The intended victim was slightly injured while the thief is hospitalized in critical condition.

DGU#5 From The Blaze and sent in to us from multiple listeners.
An armed man entered a Orrville, Ala., Dollar General on Thursday, waved his gun in the air and threatened to kill everyone, AL.com reports. Though motive is unclear, he never got the chance to hurt anyone because a customer carrying a concealed handgun neutralized him with a deadly shot.

Dallas County Sheriff Harris Huffman Jr. told WSFA-TV that the gunman held a cashier and customer at gunpoint, forcing them toward a break room area. It was at this point that the customer reportedly drew his firearm and shot the suspect one time in the chest. The entire incident took less than five minutes, police say.  The gunman was pronounced dead on the scene.

The sheriff said the customer is not currently facing any charges over the shooting death, however, investigators are working to confirm he had a valid concealed carry permit. Open carry is legal in Alabama, but a permit is required to carry a concealed handgun.

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Email from Marc in Ohio
I know you guys are busy with shot show but I just had a chat with my kids about the scenario of an active shooter in their school. Maybe you can touch on this in the future.

I asked my kids what they would do if someone came to the school shooting. They answered, the school calls out a code word like “Red” (to protect their actual code I’m using “red”). They turn off the lights close the curtains and hide quietly together in a corner.

I asked them to pretend to be the shooter for a minute. Your intent is to shoot kids. Where do you find kids at a school. They said classrooms. I asked them if it’s easier to shoot a moving target or one holding still. They answered a moving target is harder to hit. Is it easier to hit 10 small targets spread out or all the targets in a small single pile. I asked them why would they hide where a bad guy would expect to find them and hold still in a large group. My kids stared at me in wonderment.

I have instructed my kids to leave the building at any cost. I think it’s better to leave and get to a phone to call the police. Running from a shooter is better than holding still. Being away from the group would be my preference.

Another thing to consider is the school isn’t going to tell the kids what’s happening. It’s going to be hard for my kids to make a judgment call that goes against the teachers.

I have had some active shooter training from the local Sheriffs office. The sheriff told us they won’t do anything other than set up a Perimeter until a swat team arrives. That could take an hour in my remote burg. I don’t want my kid hiding defenseless for an hour. Why is the first instinct a lock down? As you can see I strongly disagree on the lockdown idea in an active shooter situation.

What are your guys thoughts?
Marc from Ohio…..again.
Rob: I have an opinion.  The sheriff is 10 years behind and the huddle and pray response is no long considered best practice.  Law enforcement is now trained to immediately enter the building, and potential victims are not trained to exit immediately.

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You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Tom: That’s 605- 215-1438 and operators are standing by.  Or they were before they threatened to go on strike because of low pay.

Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register at http://nighthawkcustomtraining.com/classes.html

Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen.

Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump.

Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Polite Society Podcast. Until the Monday show…

Rob, stay safe,
Paul, be aware,
Rob, and we’ll see you down the road.