Episode 330 – We’re Back!

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 24th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with John Pierce about Washington DC gun owners taking a step toward concealed carry.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we finally get a chance to talk with our own Rachel Malone about her progress supporting open carry legislation in Texas.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s, a neighbor did more than be a good witness, he saved his neighbor next door from an ongoing attack and abduction. Of course the good guy had a firearm and a concealed carry permit.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 330 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

John – Last weekend, I went to a family reunion. I got to see cousins whom I hadn’t seen in 30 years or more. Afterwards, we took time to visit the cemetery in which my dad and my grandparents were buried. Being this is Memorial Day weekend, I want to recognize those who served our country and died in its service. I think it is important to remember these men and women. My dad didn’t die while on active duty but did have to take a medical retirement due to non-combat health issues. I do think he had a reduced life span due to the stresses of his service as have many other veterans.

 

On the firearms front, I added a Spanish FR-8 to the collection thanks to Ken S., a fellow NC gunny, I met through Facebook. The FR-8 is a Mauser 98 design adopted by Spain in the 1950s. Given they didn’t have enough CETME auto rifles, some Spanish soldiers were issued these rifles which had some of the same features as the CETME including being in the 7.62 Nato caliber.

 

Gary- Shot the AR and the Para with no malfunctions.

 

Rob– It has been a while.  It is good to hear you again.  I shot the chiappa rhino revolver when I was down in Louisiana.  I bought and shot the Browning 1911-22 for my students with small hands.  (use of external safties) Competed in two IDPA matches.  One with my 1911 and the second with my Glock 19.  That was fun and I learned a lot.  John, I added the slightly extended magazine release and slide release to my 19.  I like the combat sights.  Thank you for those suggestions.

 

Got my concealed carry permit from Arizona.  I also had two awards at a dinner we had with the San Diego Chapter of Gun Owners of California.  One was a service award.  They also had a shooting simulator at the banquet. I won a T-shirt for having the best time that hour.  In fact I was the third or fourth fastest shooter competing, but sometimes it pays to be lucky and shoot after the rush.

 

I was on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady.  I’ll be on his show again next Friday to talk about one of my blog articles.  I also finished a book by gun blogger Jim Curtis.  I finished the first book in his Grey Man series.

 

Susan-   Didn’t take the Beyond Concealed Carry class, but got to meet Bob and Ben and went to dinner. Getting ready for the renaissance festival.

 

Paul – Took the Beyond Concealed Carry enhanced class. Had a great time and and learned a bunch. I want to thank Bob Mayne and Ben Branam for coming up and teaching and everyone who attended.  (I want to talk a little point shooting here.)

 

Problems replacing the magazine while in the holster. If you have a failure don’t quit moving! (Jamming drill while in static line)

 

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Seg 2- News

 

-A federal judge said Washington DC is again breaking the law.  A year ago DC was told its laws denying concealed carry were unconstitutional.  Then the city passed permit regulations that were so restrictive only one person in four thousand would be granted a concealed carry permit.  Judge  Frederick J. Scullin Junior said that was probably illegal and issued an injunction against DC’s regulations.  Quoting Judge Scullin,

 

“The District of Columbia’s arbitrary ‘good reason’/’proper reason’ requirement.. goes far beyond establishing.. reasonable restrictions. Rather, for all intents and purposes, this requirement makes it impossible for the overwhelming majority of law-abiding citizens to obtain licenses to carry handguns in public for self-defense, thereby depriving them of their Second Amendment right to bear arms.” End quote

 

It is unusual for a judge to issue a preliminary injunction.  The case isn’t out of court yet, but it is a small step towards recognizing the right of self-defense for DC citizens.. and for visitors to DC.  http://freebeacon.com/issues/federal-judge-says-dc-gun-carry-law-is-unconstitutional/

DC Police chief Cathy Lanier said of the ruling “It’s not a huge impact for us. We haven’t had a huge number of applicants,” Chief Lanier said during an interview Tuesday on NewsTalk with Bruce Depuyt. “Our residents have been pretty clear this is not something that they wanted. A very small number of D.C. residents have applied for concealed carry.”

 

Rob- people are the same.

 

-Besides hearing cases for the district of columbia, Judge Scullin hears cases for the northern district of New York.  Before he became a lawyer and a judge, Judge Scullin served active duty with the United States Army as a paratrooper, airborne ranger, and as an infantry commander with the 173rd Airborne Brigade in the Republic of Vietnam.  What do you think Judge Scullin might do to the New York SAFE act and the concealed carry laws in New York City?

 

-We have another court case to talk about.  The US Supreme Court in an unanimous decision said someone convicted of a crime may sell their guns to a third party so long as the accused never takes possession or control of the firearms.  The case started when a border patrol agent was convicted of smuggling drugs.  The FBI seized the agents guns, and then refused to sell them to a third party.  The court said the FBI acted illegally and that they must release the firearms for sale or transfer.  I guess some parts of the government have to obey the law after all.

http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/breaking-supreme-court-issues-decision-on-felons-gun-rights/

 

-We received news that United Parcel Service recently changed its policies.  UPS will no longer ship silencers.. even to FFL licensees.  This has always struck me as bizarre.  The US outlaws the same mufflers that are required for hunting in other countries.  We restrict mufflers that are sold over the counter in Europe.  Until our government comes to its senses, check how you ship your silencers.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/ups-refuses-to-ship-firearms-suppressors-used-for-hearing-protection/#axzz3aMQOUmRf

 

-We’ve seen some state legislatures pass new firearms restrictions.  That is why we have to ask if background checks work at all?  Last week was national law enforcement week.  Of all the officers shot and killed last year, half of them were shot by felons who were prohibited from having a firearm.  The criminals used stolen guns so the thugs never went through a background check.  Criminals simply don’t obey the law.  If background checks don’t stop criminals, then who is inconvenienced and perhaps deterred from buying a firearm?  Gun laws only inconvenience honest gun owners.  Is that failure a flaw in the law.. or is it a feature that was designed in from the start?

http://www.examiner.com/article/question-for-antis-how-do-you-background-checks-on-stolen-guns

 

Gary- I can hear it now.  Some fool is saying we should pass a law requiring criminals to obey the law.

Rob- The anti-rights politicians want to leave my family at risk so that crime pays.. and then the politicians want the police to fight crime.

 

-We have another story about a proposed gun law that won’t work.  New Jersey Representative Bonnie Watson Coleman is 70 years old.  She is a Democrat and was elected last year.  She introduced a bill in congress to restrict the sale of ammunition online.  The bill requires you to buy ammunition from federally licensed ammunition dealers.  It requires these dealers to confirm the identify of their customers with a photo identification.  It also requires the dealers to tell the US attorney general if anyone purchases more than 1,000 rounds within five consecutive days.

 

Rob- I typically order large lots of ammunition to reduce their shipping costs.  Do I become a terrorist of the month?

 

This bill will do nothing to stop crime or terrorism.   A terrorist can simply buy 100 rounds a day for days on end.. or buy from several different distributors.  In addition, our borders are wide open and millions of people and millions of pounds of drugs cross the border each year.  Smuggling ammunition to criminals would never be noticed.  Congresswoman Coleman’s bill has not chance of passage, but it will earn her campaign dollars from Bloomberg.

http://bearingarms.com/new-jersey-democrat-pushes-federal-ammunition-registration-scheme/

 

Rob- Could Obama impose this with an executive order?

 

Break –  I want to run the GRNC audio here  Let’s talk a bit about it before we run it.

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Democrats Urge Background Checks on All Guns Sold At Gun Shows

Some of Bloomberg’s other useful idiots have reintroduced the Gun Show Loophole Closing Act. This old bill once again claims to close the nonexistent gun show loophole by requiring background checks on all gun purchases. However, this bill hides a devious twist: it requires the transfer to be reported to the US Attorney General. That’s the office once controlled by Eric Holder, now under Loretta Lynch, that has become one of the most politicized and lawless of the federal government.

 

This bill, like the Jersey Democrat’s bill to create a database of ammunition purchasers, is part of the push by anti-gun Democrats to identify the armed citizen. The reasons behind their efforts must be chilling for those that still believe in the Bill of Rights. Please contact your Representative and urge a no vote on this insanity.

 

John – I’m ashamed to say Carolyn Maloney is a NC native.

 

-Our friend Jeff Knox pointed out that the impossible has happened.  The media tells us that gun owners are both dangerous AND impotent.  We’re called dangerous gun nuts who could kill hundreds of people.  We’re also told that a citizen with a discretely carried handgun is powerless to stop a violent criminal or terrorist.  Jeff points out where the impossible happens time and again.  It happened in Garland, and Chicago, and at the New Life Church in Colorado, and at dozens of other examples of firearms used for self-defense.  It IS possible to stop violent criminals, stop terrorists and stop deranged individuals bent on hurting innocent people.  That is to meet the attacker with deadly force. While a handgun is not the best option in a pitched gun battle, there’s an old saying that the best gun in a gunfight is the one you have, because the gun you don’t have is not going to do you any good.   Jeff’s article is up at World Net Daily.  The link is in our show notes.  http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/more-fairytales-guns-used-to-save-lives/#29JOXC3y88wISmvk.99

 

-Some of the media understands firearms.  Author Katie Pavlich writes at Town Hall.  Katie reports on a very liberal Texas woman who bought a gun.  The Texas lady made her choice to own a  gun because of two factors: Personal security and fun.  The liberal Texan had five burglaries at her home.  The break ins cost more than money; they stole her piece of mind.  To quote her, I would wake each time a squirrel ran the perimeter of my backyard fence, convinced someone was coming for me. My dreams were all of victimization, or revenge.  Close quote.

 

Then she bought a gun, and everything changed. First, she was shamed by her fellow liberals when they found out she was a gun owner.  Second, she also felt safe living in her home again.  The gun resting on her nightstand became her sleep aid.  We could have told her, but I glad she learned before she was injured.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/05/22/a-liberal-woman-admits-she-has-a-gun-and-its-awesome-n2002120

 

Gary- This is the power of taking someone shooting.  Their own experience pushes away the media myths.

Rob- I’m interested that her liberal tolerant friends wouldn’t tolerate her owning a gun.

 

Feral Youth

A Brooklyn McDonald’s was the scene of an attack that is unfortunately becoming too common. A pack of youths turned on a man trying to break up a fight between two girls. To shouts of KILL HIM!, twenty to forty school-aged teens beat and kicked the man, putting him into the hospital with life-threatening injuries. Several McDonald’s employees and another man were also assaulted. The attack was recorded by a boy shouting “Kill him right now!” and laughing. He posted the scene on Facebook, where it went viral.

No arrests have been made. Community activists are, of course, appalled, as required by their trade.  A Brooklyn mother said she’s disgusted and scared for her children. “To see something like that … it’s scary.”

It is scary – especially to someone who may be faced with a pack of these feral youths. Be aware, plan ahead – and avoid places where these types of kids congregate.

 

-Here is some good news from Oklahoma.  The legislature recently passed a law allowing trained school staff to carry on campus.  The bill’s sponsor was Representative Jeff Coody.  He said, “..the thinking has always been that if we eliminate guns, it makes it a safer place. The only problem is you cannot eliminate those (people) who are not willing to comply with the law. A gun-free zone is a target(…), a soft target.”  Representative Coody’s bill was supported by the Professional Oklahoma Educators.  These educators said the bill quote “(gives) options to school districts to protect their students.We cannot play games anymore. These are the lives of our children.” close quote.  The bill passed in the Oklahoma Senate by a vote of 40 to 5 and it passed the House by a vote of 82 to 12  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/21/oklahoma-legalizes-arming-teachers-and-staff-on-school-campuses/

 

Rob-  That is great news because of the reason they passed the bill.

Paul- It sounds like Oklahoma is catching up with Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, South Dakota and Wisconsin.

 

-There is more good news from Minnesota.  Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton signed several pro-rights bills into law.  At first the governor threatened not to sign these bills.  These bills had bipartisan support and the governor signed them.

 

  • Minnesota now recognizes concealed carry permits from several other states.  It now has reciprocity with 15 other states up from only 4 states.  That includes North Dakota citizens with a class-one permit.
  • They legalized firearms mufflers so gun owners can both own mufflers and use them for hunting or sport shooting.
  • They allow carry permit holders to bring handguns into the state Capitol area without requesting permission in advance.  In this case the Capital included a ten block by ten block area, but not anymore.
  • These new laws restricted the government’s ability to seize firearms from the public after a state emergency is declared.  This limits the ability of the police to seize firearms unless the person is arrested … and an arrest requires probable cause.
  • They allowed the purchase of long guns from any state.

Congratulations to Minnesota gun owners and the MInnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance.  Well done. http://www.keyc.com/story/29135382/gov-dayton-signs-public-safety-bill-containing-controversial-gun-provisions

 

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-A similar law passed last week in Florida.  Florida Governor Rick Scott signed a bill allowing Florida residents to carry concealed firearms –without a permit– during an emergency evacuation.  This permitless carry lasts for 48 hours. The 48-hour period may be extended per the governor.

 

-Laws matter.  Chicago politicians created gun-free zones.  Chicago politicians created drug prohibition.  Chicago politicians crushed industry with high taxes and regulations.  That is a well known recipe for disaster.  49 people were shot last weekend in Chicago.  I’m sorry. http://gunsnfreedom.com/gun-control-fail-chicago-had-49-shot-over-past-weekend/5138

 

-We have two more judicial rulings to report.  The first said that legal open carry is not probable cause for a police officer to make an arrest.  The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that open carry is not justification for an officer to stop, arrest, identify and question an individual.  The judge went further.  He said that the officer’s qualified immunity did not extend to detaining an individual who was lawfully open carrying a firearm.  That means officers can be sued and they are personally liable for court costs and damages.  That decision, if it stands, would put some teeth into the law protecting firearms owners.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-bernick/federal-appeals-court-to_b_7284562.html

 

-Listener Anthony Lucafo emailed us the link for this story. A 5th grader is in a bit of trouble in his New Jersey public school. It seems that he brought some ammunition to school. Ammunition for a NERF gun.  While pulling a late slip out of his pocket a foam projectile designed to be fired from a Nerf gun fell to the floor in front of a teacher. This violated the school’s zero tolerance policy for weapons. However as the late Billy Mays would say “but wait theres more!” our young nerf gunslinger had MODIFIED the ammunition! Our young nerf marksman had stuck a toothpick into the round so that it would stick when he fired the round towards the ground! That made the nerf ammo now a “self contained weapon” by the school’s definition. Of course the school immediately moved to expel the obviously dangerous young man, but eventually decided that a 5 day in-school suspension would suffice along with a mark on the student’s “permanent record”

 

Paul – zero tolerance means zero intelligence. It is the single most lazy way to administrate any group.

 

-Let’s end the news on a positive note.  A New Jersey Appellate court ruled that cities in New Jersey may not require added forms from firearm applicants beyond the forms that the state requires.  This is the third such decision from the New Jersey appellate court.  I hope we can now prosecute government officials who unlawfully harass New Jersey firearms applicants with additional paperwork.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/no-added-gun-forms-courts-slaps-down-nj-towns/#axzz3a9uSbGwI

 

Gun Quotes

One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Martin Luther King, Junior, in his letter from Birmingham Jail

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.  We have interviews with Rachel Malone and John Pierce coming up.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Rachel Malone– Licensed open carry passed in both the Texas House and Texas Senate.  Then the senate passed the house bill.  This was the bill Rachel was working on for the last four years.  The Senate passed an amendment so open carry is not probable cause.  One concern was racial profiling of open carriers.

Does it include a provision that removes qualified immunity if a police officer arrests someone who is openly carrying?

This open carry bill may require confirmation in the Texas House.

Thank Don Huffines.  Tell him we have his back.

The bill would take effect 1 Jan 2016.

Some Senators will take credit, but will deny they let the bill sit.

They will claim that open carry barely passed, so constitutional carry is out of reach.  We’ll bring constitutional carry when the legislature meets again in two years.

 

Rachel has been working with her younger brothers and homeschooling them.  She has been busy with 40 hours of music rehearsal.  Summer break starts in a few weeks.

Rachel missed the zombie run.  She hopes to run it in the fall.

 

John Pierce on DC ruling

The law offices of John Pierce

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

So You Woke Up Stupid This Morning?

“Honestly: That is one less guy I got to worry about bothering my mom when she’s out grocery shopping,” That’s how an Atlanta resident summed up his use of a firearm to stop a robbery.  He had pulled into a store’s parking space when a scruffy 61-year-old man slipped into the passenger seat and announced the car-jacking. The victim pulled his firearm and held the perp facedown on the asphalt until the police arrived, all the while laying down a line of smack talk. Our favorite: “So you woke up stupid this morning?”  When police arrived, you can see the victim wave them over and put his gun down. The police officer shakes his hand before slapping the cuffs on the suspect.

This textbook, and stylish, DGU was recorded on several cell phones; it’s the 21st Century after all. We add our commendations to this everyday hero – he’s a good son.

 

Armed robber changed his mind and wished concealed carrier a good day.

-A 49 year old concealed carrier had finished his dialysis appointment at a doctor’s office and was on his way to his car. A young man came out of the woods near the clarkston michigan doctors office carrying a revolver and demanded the concealed carrier’s wallet. at this point the concealed carrier drew his own gun and asked the 20 year old hispanic male “do you really want to do this?” The would be armed robber told his intended victim to “have a nice day”, then turned and ran back into the woods.

 

-A Pennsylvania woman was abducted and assaulted by her ex-boyfriend for over 20 hours.  The woman escaped and ran outside at about 10 in the morning.  Fortunately, neighbors heard the victim scream when she was attacked again in her backyard.  Rather than simply be a good witness, one neighbor grabbed his handgun and stopped the attack.  Neighbors moved the victim to the front yard to wait for an ambulance.  The attacker was held at gunpoint until police arrived.  The attacker was charged with Criminal Trespass, burglary, and Attempted Homicide.  The gun owner said he would do the same thing again in a heartbeat with no second thoughts and no reservations.  He has his concealed carry permit.

http://bearingarms.com/concealed-carrier-rescues-hostage-captures-naked-attacker/

 

-A man broke into a Memphis home at two in the morning.  The family woke up when they heard breaking glass.  The homeowner grabbed his gun.  When he found the intruder standing inside his home, the homeowner shot the intruder in the head.  The intruder was taken to the hospital in critical condition.  Police have not filed any charges against the homeowner.

http://bearingarms.com/memphis-home-invader-stopped-homeowner-gun/

 

-We’ve all heard the joke about criminals failing the victim selection process.  Well this is one of those stories.  Two men tried his carjack a doctor in Jackson, Mississippi.  The doctor was getting ready to attend a shooting competition and was loading up his truck.  The doctor was taken by surprise.  He was ordered at gunpoint to drive to a nearby bank and withdraw some cash.  The doctor complied, but was able to grab one of his handguns.  He shot and killed one of his attackers.  The other attacker fled on foot.  The shooter had the presence of mind to neither pursue a fleeing criminal nor shoot him as he fled.

http://www.kingfish1935.blogspot.com/2015/05/thugs-try-to-rob-competitive-shooter.html

 

Another Triumph For California’s Legal System

What can you say to a Redding, California woman who was forced to defend herself against a likely armed sex offender, freshly paroled from a weapons charge, wearing a GPS bracelet, probably high on an illegal substance, who had just escaped from deputies holding him at gunpoint? You can only shake your head at the awesome effectiveness of the California legal system.

 

Parolee Dillon Carmelo escaped deputies by reaching into his clothing as if he was going for a gun and fleeing into the neighborhood’s backyards. The deputies informed those nearby of the dangerous felon on the loose. Against the advice of California’s elite, resident Jennifer Doolittle armed herself and went into the backyard to get her dogs inside. There, she was confronted by Carmelo, who popped over a fence and moved toward her acting as if he was reaching for a weapon.

 

Doolittle fired several times, striking Carmelo and stopping the attack. Carmelo continued to struggle until subdued by a Sheriff’s K-9. It is not known at this time if the woman will be charged. A civil suit is almost a certainty.

Several of the Polite Society’s staff can attest to California’s collapsing catch-and-release legal system. It’s why we urge every citizen to be armed, trained and aware. It’s also a big part of why California wants desperately to disarm it’s citizens.

 

Break

 

Don’t torque off the old guy part 1
A 77 year old homeowner was in the shower recently when he heard strange noises. He got out of the shower to see what was going on and came face to face with 2 burglars. Apparently our guud guy had a handgun close to him in the shower as he exchanged gunfire with the burglars killing one and the other was sent to the hospital, but the condition of the second bad guy wasn’t known. One boy next door became concerned and called his father. The youngster told his dad that there were police everywhere and he had locked himself in the house. Another neighbor told reporters that she had recently been a victim of a burglary and had lost $80,000 in jewelry. The neighbor said of the homeowner who defended himself  “I think he’s 100 percent correct,They went to burglarize his house. And it’s not the first time he was burglarized.”

 

Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guys (Plural/ Nonsexist) part 2

Once again, we bring you a Tale of the Old Guys. Showing that it’s important to work together in a marriage as well as in a self defense situation, a couple of retirees successfully fought off two armed attacker at their Thomaston, Georgia home. Only a month before they had endured a home-invasion where they were tied-up and robbed at gunpoint. It seems that assault only made them mad — and ready for the next attack.

 

When the wife opened the garage door in the morning, the same two suspects ran at her from the nearby woods, waiving handguns. The Old Gal drew her own gun and whistled a couple of rounds at the suspects. The Old Guy ran to the porch and added his own fire against the suddenly unenthusiastic robbers, who reversed course with all due haste.

Kashif Mohammad, 20, and Daitrelle Saffo, 21, were arrested exiting the woods. They are facing a slew of felony charges, including Armed Robbery and Kidnapping. It is certain they’ll remember one critically important lesson: Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy — and Gal.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion No email this week, but I ran across this story that is somewhat related to our struggle. What if you called 911 and no one came AT ALL? http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=29060#.VWICK0_BzGf

 

A truck driver is involved in a  sideswipe accident. gets the truck under control and rolls to a stop almost a mile down the road. He calls 911 and reports the incident and complains of heart attack like symptoms No one responded to his 911 call. Nine hours later he is found by a driver that works for the same company.

 

-Also before we go to blog posts I want to encourage our listeners to call their Senators and DEMAND that they let the current version of the so-called patriot act die. The current funding for Big Brother is listening is ending at the end of this month and RINO Mitch Mcconnell is fighting hard for reauthorization. There has never been any evidence that any of this debacle has helped to apprehend 1 single terrorist, or jaywalker for that manner. It is time for it to go call (202) 224-3121, you don’t even have to know who your senators are, just the state you live in. (if you don’t know your state might we suggest that you live in the state of confusion and you can see the doc for meds for that.)

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

1- I talked about the twenty thousand gun laws that don’t work, and why Politicians want to write more of them.  Politicians sell themselves in the media as in order to get campaign cash.  https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/prohibiting-firearms-for-political-profit/

 

2- Gary, you had your mom on the show.  She and Doris Montrose inspired me to write an article.  Supporting the right of armed self-defense is not a black and white issue.  You don’t jump from hating every gun owner to lobbying for firearms rights.  I counted about twenty steps in between.  Changing someone’s mind is moving them by one small step.. but first you have to listen to them to know what they believe. https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/how-to-change-minds-about-self-defense/

 

The articles are up at Clash Daily, Ammoland and at slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog  you would like to talk about?

 

Since the last show, the issue of ridding North Carolina of our pistol purchase permit system has started to attract a lot of attention. The gun prohibitionists along with the NC Sheriffs Association are fighting to keep the law. Bloomberg is funding a media campaign to keep the law. I wrote a somewhat provocative post entitled, “If you support a law based on racism, are you a racist?” There is no question that the law mandating pistol permits was drafted with the intent to keep African-Americans unarmed and subservient to the white, segregationist Democrat power structure of NC. My conclusion is that supporting a law based upon such heinous intent does make you at least a little bit racist.

 

My blog can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Rachel and JOhn Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Episode 284 – John Pierce

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, November 12th, 2014.  I’m John Richardson
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talk with Attorney John Pierce about Alabama’s newest constitutional amendment.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we’ll have news from California and Texas, so climb aboard
Rachel- strap in
John and hang on!  Episode 284 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
John-Nothing much to report in gun related news for me.
Rachel- enjoyed some time off with friends this weekend but came back to windchill in the 20’s and a broken heater. Warmed up the house for now, but haven’t found any way to warm up the outside. Looks like my four range days this weekend will be pretty chilly.
-Rob- Gun repair.  Talked politics with a Sheriff’s Lieutenant.

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-Washington DC’s anti- rights handgun law was overturned because the district demanded that handguns and rifles be stored in an inoperative condition.  The US Supreme Court reminded them that guns, like fire extinguishers, only save lives when they are within reach.  Now the Los Angeles city council proposes a similar ordinance requiring that all guns be kept with a trigger lock  or in a gun safe.

-Emily Miller is a resident of the District of Columbia and the investigative reporter for Fox DC 5. She is now seeking to get a DC carry permit. She was told by Metro Police that the only way she could qualify is if she was in a business where she carried large amounts of money or jewelry or if her life was in danger. General levels of crime or living in a “bad neighborhood” didn’t count. She had to have specific threats against her life.  After telling her this, the police official said the Second Amendment  didn’t apply in DC because it was “for when the British were coming.” To make matters worse, there is currently no one in DC certified to teach the carry permit class. Alan Gura told Emily that the District’s new law is unconstitutional and doesn’t adhere to the court’s ruling. He is seeking a permanent injunction.
Rob Comment – I sense a second book from Emily coming soon!
Rachel Comment – I think it is now a race to see who gets a carry permit first – Rob or Emily. I’m guessing Rob.

-Michael Cargill and his employees at Central Texas Gun Works have somewhat of a secret language among them. That way when something is going wrong, they can signal each other for help.  So when a particular customer walked into the Austin Texas store Thursday afternoon, it wasn’t long before Cargill’s clerk had to send him one of those signals. The man asked for 500 rounds of Full Metal Jacket, 500 rounds of Ball, 500 rounds of Hollow Point ammunition.  He also wanted to purchase a Sig.  Cargill’s suspicions were confirmed when the customer said, “I’m gonna go over there to that hospital and I’m going to shoot everyone in that hospital,” That’s when Cargill presses the silent alarm. Police arrived and detained the man.  The man had been released from the hospital earlier that day because they didn’t have enough beds in the psych ward.”

6-With the election completed, Texas legislators aren’t wasting any time. Here’s some perspective for you: last year, the most significant bills were licensed open carry, filed at the end of January, and campus carry for CHL holders, filed in February. This year things are different. The session begins January 13, but pre-filing started this week. Already, we’ve seen two licensed open carry bills filed, as well as a full constitutional carry bill, HB 195 filed by Jonathan Stickland. Additionally, Rep. Kleinshcmidt filed a 2A protection against federal infringement (HB 176), and Rep. James White filed a bill to lower the age of CHL eligibility to 18 (HB 216). Another representative apparently has a good heart and a sense of humor; he filed HB 223 which says, in part, “A school district may not punish a student in kindergarten through grade five for .. brandishing a partially consumed pastry or other food item to simulate a firearm or weapon . . . ” The mommies demanding action are ….well, they’re seeing some action, and they’re not liking it. Guess what? I think the action is only beginning. Hang on for the ride, because it’s going to get fast-paced in the weeks and months to come.

11- It’s not often we can say these words, but – kudos to CNN for producing a very honest and favorable report on gun usage. Their video clip entitled “A Special Sisterhood” takes a heartwarming look at the lives of ladies in the Austin chapter of A Girl And A Gun Shooting League. The report includes personal thoughts from A Girl & A Gun founder, Juliana Crowder. Here’s what Juliana had to say: “Simply possessing a firearm – does that make you safer? Not if you don’t know how to use it. It’s how you prepare yourself as a firearms owner that makes you safer. . . . I do have friends who don’t own firearms; some don’t understand what I do. I learned early on not to convert anybody. All you can do is offer up the opportunity. . . . I just see so many more women open to the idea of learning to shoot. We have this really tight sisterhood of understanding of why we’re here, why we enjoy this particular hobby, why it’s important not only for the 2nd amendment issue, but as a sport and recreation, and ultimately as personal responsibility.”

Rachel comment- Juliana Crowder is one of the top five people I credit with propelling me into the world of firearms and politics. She was my CHL instructor when I was just starting to believe that gun carry was a positive thing but I was still very intimidated. She taught me, encouraged me, and inspired me. She’s a wonderful mentor and has touched many lives with her passion, care, and heartfelt desire to improve women’s lives. Thank you, Juliana.

13-If you have a deceased family member who had a pistol permit in Buffalo, New York, don’t be surprised when you get a visit from the Buffalo PD. Under Buffalo city code, a firearm can only be transferred if it goes to a FFL or gunsmith or by a testamentary bequest as in a will. Police Commissioner Daniel Derenda says this is an effort to prevent firearms from going back into circulation “off the books”. About the effort, Derenda said “We recently started a program where we’re cross referencing all the pistol permit holders with the death records, and we’re sending people out to collect the guns whenever possible so that they don’t end up in the wrong hands.”

Comment – So much for the lies that the proponents of registration tell when they say “we only want to know who has a gun; we don’t want to take them”.
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14-Also in New York, Remington Arms laid off more than 100 employees at its Ilion factory.  The fate of Remington’s operations in New York has been questioned since the passage of the SAFE Act in early 2013.  Remington laid off 125 New York workers in August as work continued to grow at Remingtons new plant in Alabama.  These latest layoffs came a week after election day.

15-Speaking of the wrong hands, a guy called in a tip to the police.. and then the cops shot him by mistake.  Now that hurts.  The Vancouver police were conducting a manhunt on Halloween morning as they looked for 59 year old John Kendall.  Kendall was involved with a shooting earlier the day.  A citizen called 911 to report a suspicious car.  The caller had the suspicious car in sight and waited for law enforcement.  Officers arrived to see the caller get out of his vehicle and walk towards the back of his vehicle. The cops then opened fire on the innocent man, shooting him in the leg.  The wounded tipster took cover behind a pile of gravel and then attempted to return fire with his own weapon.  The citizen then called 9-1-1 again to report that he had been shot by the cops, at which point the responding officers decided to forgo killing the wrong person and made contact with the innocent man.  The citizen was taken to the hospital and treated for his gunshot wound.  The real fugitive was later found to have committed suicide.

18-What if the politicians stopped trying to control the sale of guns, and instead decided to control guns directly.  Smart gun technology would allow a complex combination of electronics, WiFi communications and police enforcement to turn electronic guns on and off.  If you have nothing to hide then you have nothing to fear, right?  That’s what researchers from the University of Delaware are proposing.  They claim that technology can hack around the Second Amendment. Will they then allow guns into airports, court rooms and on airplanes?  Quote “We propose to address these safety areas within the firearm itself”.  close quote.
comment- I want the politicians and law enforcement officers to go first.

19-Some good news out of California. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals denied the motion by California Attorney General Kamala Harris and the Brady Campaign to intervene in the Peruta case. The Peruta case said self-defense was sufficient cause to be granted a concealed carry permit.  The Attorney General and the Brady Campaign did not take part in the case when it was on trial.  The Attorney General sought to intervene after San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore said he wouldn’t appeal the Court’s decision. The Court “held that the movants did not meet the heavy burden of demonstrating imperative reasons in favor of intervention on appeal. Noting that the movants sought intervention more than four years after the case began, the panel stated that the stage of the proceedings, the length of the delay, and the reason for the delay all weighed against timeliness. In the absence of a timely motion, intervention was unavailable. Attorney Dave Hardy notes they can appeal for an en banc hearing on their motion but he doesn’t hold out much hope for them.

Comment- There are two timelines at work here.  Normally the judges ruling would go into effect in 7 days.  However, any of the judges on the 9th circuit court of appeals could ask for an en-banc review during the next 21 days.  Rob might apply in a month.

21- There is more news for the California Attorney General, and this next story was sent in by listener Anthony.  .  Four California gun dealers filed a federal lawsuit against her because California law violates their First Amendment civil rights. Stephen Lindley heads the California Department of Justice Bureau of Firearms, and he is named as a co-defendant.  The Tracy Rifle and Pistol shooting range was cited by the Cal. Department of Justice for having pictures of three handguns visible through their window.  The California Penal Code section, written in 1923, bans gun stores from putting up signs advertising the sale of handguns, but not other firearms.  While California gun dealers cannot display even the word ‘handgun’ at their stores to passersby, adjacent businesses and anti-gun protesters are not prohibited from using the prohibited words and images.  Similar statutes banning handgun displays are on the books in Pennsylvania, Texas, and Washington, D.C.  The California Department of Justice appears to be the only state agency enforcing the laws.  The lawsuit is supported by the Second Amendment Foundation and the Calguns Foundation.  One of the lawyers representing the businesses is UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh.

23-Pennsylvania pre-empts local firearms regulation.  Legislators went so far as to pass a law requiring that cities pay the legal costs when they lose a lawsuit brought by citizens trying to overturn the cities gun regulations.  Now, Pennsylvania’s two largest cities sued the state opposing that law.  Philadelphia and Pittsburgh argued that lawmakers approved the measure in violation of state constitutional provisions designed to promote transparency in the legislative process.  Under the new law, a gun owner would no longer have to prove they had been harmed by the law to successfully challenge it, and “membership organizations” could stand in to sue on behalf of any Pennsylvania member. The challenger also could seek damages.

-This is a followup to a story we reported last week. It looks like Col. Martha McSally has maintained her lead over over Rep. Ron Barber in Arizona. This is the Congressional seat formerly held by Gabby Giffords. Her gun control organization put in over $2 million in independent expenditures for Barber and against McSally. With almost all the provisional and early ballots counted, McSally has a 133 vote lead. Unfortunately, this will trigger a recount.
Comment – I just hope Col. McSally isn’t “Al Frankened” with more and more ballots being found until Barber is declared the winner.
Comment – If McSally does win, this will have to hurt for Giffords and Mark Kelly.

Gun Quotes-  If you teach your kids how to shoot, when to shoot, what to shoot and where to shoot, freedom will easily be maintained. -Erin Canales.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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John Pierce.
Strict scrutiny protection for armed self-defense.
In theory, gun rights were protected.  In practice, they were not protected.  Amendment 3 gave the courts the required grounds to defend the right of self-defense.
Rational basis- legitimate interest
intermediate scrutiny (balancing test) important government interest and be narrowly tailored to achieve it
strict scrutiny- a compelling interest achieved in the least restrictive manner possible.
black letter law vs case law
What will we see in Alabama firearms litigation?  Places and manner of carry; schools, government buildings, bars, age to receive concealed/open carry.  Now we have a standard of review to question existing laws.
Other states could benefit from similar amendments.

Segment 4 DGUs

-A customer pointed a handgun at the clerk at the C & C convenience store in Dallas Texas.  Most of us are not at our best at 1 AM, but the clerk fought back and disarmed the robber.  He then shot the robber in the leg and held the robber down until the police arrived.  The robber was transported to a local hospital and is awaiting a hearing.  Neither the clerk, other staff or other customers were hurt.

-Two armed men and their getaway driver planned to rob an apartment in Aspen Hill, Maryland.  The two kicked in the door to find a man, two women, and two young children inside.  After the robbers took their money, one of the women grabbed the robbers gun and then shot the robber in the shoulder.  The other robber and the lookout escaped with the money, but the victims didn’t let the wounded robber escape.  They beat him after he was shot. and held him for police.  Dean Watts was hospitalized and charged with attempted murder, robbery, assault and felony handgun use.  Investigators believe the victims and the suspects knew each other, WUSA added.

-This DGU is not one of our normal ones. In this case, a West Springfield, Massachusetts man was alerted when he heard his self-described “ankle biter” dog barking in the yard on Friday night. The problem was a black bear. The homeowner made several attempts to scare it away but it just wouldn’t go away. Then it turned on his dog and got within a few feet of both the man and his dog. The homeowner put one pistol shot in the bear just above its eye. The bear tried to climb a tree and then collapsed. Police say the homeowner had a valid license to carry and was within his rights to protect his pet in his yard.
comment- Is that hunting over a baited trap if you dog is tied on a lead, and a bear tries to eat the dog?

-Four masked people broke in through the front door of this Atlanta home.  The couple and their children complied.  Three thieves took valuables upstairs while the adults and one of their children were held in the basement.  The husband attacked the robber when the robber put his hands on his wife and pulled her clothes down.  The homeowner said, “I realized he wasn’t holding the gun firmly. He wasn’t holding it strong. So I was waiting for a time when I could attack.”  During the fight the gun went off and shot the robber in the leg.  The gunman ran out through the front door but stopped at a neighbor’s yard asking for help.  Police took 18-year-old David Wilson into custody.
comment- Armed robbery and attempted rape by an 18 year old.

-On Monday night, a robber demanded money from an employee of a San Antonio, Texas Subway restaurant. He threatened to shoot the employees if they didn’t comply. The husband of a woman who was in the process of ordering was waiting outside. Fortunately, he not only realized what was going on but he was an armed!  He entered the store and attempted to hold the robber at gunpoint. At this point, the robber beat a fast retreat and police are still looking for him.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank John Pierce for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Episode 270 – John Pierce

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday September 17th 2014. I’m John Richardson
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have John Pierce to discuss the Washington State firearms initiatives.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and defensive gun use, so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John: and hang on! Episode 270 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I really haven’t done anything gun related since last week between visiting my step-daughter who is “with child” and work. I do hope to get out this Saturday to sight in some rifles.

Rob- I went to a new range nearby that opened a few weeks ago. I’m trying to get a tour so I can review them.

Rachel- I took advantage of a break in between students to run out to the range and shoot my newly set-up AR. I knew I was gonna love it, I just had no idea it was going to be THAT much fun. It was. 🙂

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LOOK FOR NEWS OF NEW JERSEY BILLBOARDS “Free Shaneen From Unfair Prosecution.”

John -You are the first responders.  That is hardly news to our listeners, but it is wonderfully refreshing to hear it from the county coroner in Winston County, Mississippi. Coroner Scott Gregory is fed up with the rash of home and car burglaries in the Louisville, Mississippi  area.  He posted on his facebook page “sit down before you read this.  I’m not encouraging anyone to go on a killing spree. If more folks would handle their own business, I think we would stop getting these calls of houses being broken into.  I say shoot the idiots and call the coroner!”  40 year old Scott Gregory isn’t your average coroner. He’s has been a radio host for 20 years and how hosts a morning show on a classic rock station.  He was a fireman and funeral home worker and was elected coroner in 2003.

Rob – Our listeners are also the first responders to defend our rights.  We received a message from the Minnesota gun owners political action committee.  Anti-self-defense activist Gabby Giffords and her husband Mark Kelly have been spreading their anti-gun money around the Minnesota election.  Giffords and Kelly spent more than $130,000 on a direct mail campaign supporting anti-gun politicians in Minnesota.

We will lose our right of self-defense if we sit back and do nothing.  Sending 15 dollars a year to the NRA is not enough.  Are you registered to vote?  Do you support and volunteer your time to candidates who defend your human rights?  The election season is here.

Rachel – Here is more on politics.  We reported a month ago when Washington DC lost a court decision.  The court told them to allow concealed carry for residents and visitors.  Mayor Vincent C. Gray, D.C. Council Chairman Phil Mendelson and council member Tommy Wells will announce details of the gun-carry proposal today.  We know the city council will put barriers in the way of concealed carriers.  Preliminary reports show the city will adopt a restrictive “demonstrated need” approach to concealed carry.  This is modeled after the laws of Hawaii, New Jersey, Maryland and Massachusetts.

DC residents would have to complete the onerous DC firearms permit process as well as additional safety and training requirements.  City officials say the bill will meet the letter of the law since they will “provide a means for those responsible and suitable firearms owners who can show they have a legitimate need for it to obtain a permit to carry a weapon in public in a concealed manner.”  The city’s police chief would have the authority to deny concealed-carry permits to those who don’t meet the standards.  Permit holders would also be barred from carrying guns in locations including government buildings, public transportation, bars and restaurants, stadiums and places where public officials need to be protected.

John – We have sore news on Panera Cafe.  Panera came out with an anti-gun stand last week when they “requested” that patrons leave their guns at home.  You and I resent the request to be disarmed victims.  We are not alone.  A poll by CNBC proves that point again.  By a ten-to-one ratio, respondents said this decision by Panera Bread Cafes made them think worse of Panera.  Only 9 percent approved the decision.  THAT is news you won’t hear on NBC or in a press release from a Bloomberg astroturf group.

rob – Kochanski’s Concertina Beer Hall was robbed a year ago.  Three men walked into the bar and staged a robbery.  Two of them were armed.  The bar owner shot two of them and killed one of the robbers before the thieves ran away.  100 people celebrated the event this year at Kochanski’s by taking a free concealed carry training class.

Rachel comment- I read the old article about the robbery and self-defense shooting and there were hundreds of comments in support.

John comment- this really is a neighborhood bar.  This is the second concealed carry class they had in the bar.  They had the first class nine days after the shooting last year.

Rachel- Voters in Alabama will vote on a state constitutional amendment designed to protect their right to bear arms for self-defense.  The amendment would preserve their legal rights even if the Second Amendment of the US Constitution were overturned or limited by federal judges.  If federal courts said that sheriffs could deny the right to bear arms, then the Alabama constitution would limit the right of state officials to infringe the right to legally bear arms.

John – Gun Quotes

The show used to be called politics and guns, and we are a few weeks away from the next election.  Our quote is “If your answer to every failure of government is MORE government, then you are like an alcoholic trying to drink yourself sober,” said Will Spencer

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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John Pierce- Washington initiative 594.  Assault weapons bans have failed.  Assault weapons were never a problem.  Gun control advocates now want to impose “universal background checks”.   Background checks are a way to register firearms.  This also requires a background check for any “transfer”.  594 increases the waiting period from 5 days to 10 days for all handguns.  A SBR requires a transfer.  They want to make firearms ownership too cumbersome to be practical.  Every firearm in the state requires registration.  This law does not read like the rest of Washington legislation.  It looks like this law was copied from New York legislation.

-DC proposes more regulation for concealed carry.  We have a statement of intent from the DC city council.  They want a “may issue” system based on an immediate need.  You need prior police reports to justify your future need.  The need requirement was approved by the 4th circuit court.  Reciprocity would depend on demonstrated need as well.

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- Stupid runs in this family.  Three men cased a Houston convenience store.  One came back wearing a mask and waving a shotgun at the owner and his family.  That is when 20-year-old Usman Seth snatched the 9mm Smith & Wesson handgun out of his father’s hands and shot the thief.  The thief fired back while Seth yelled at the thief to drop his weapon.  Seth finally shot him again and killed him.  Paramedics removed the thief’s mask and the store employees recognized the thief.  The thief’s brother came to the store the next day and threatened to murder the family.  The store had been robbed several times before.

Rob Comment- I hope the Houston police put the fear of death into the thiefs family.

John – Comment- it won’t be long until the dead robber’s family claim he was a good person and was turning his life around.

Rob – 60 year old Todd Taylor went to his estranged wife’s home in Swatara, Pennsylvania.  He fired several times at her home with his shotgun.  He walked inside and shot through doors, wounding people barricaded inside.  The homeowner’s nephew fled the house, but then returned and shot Taylor.  The nephew then disarmed Taylor and waited for police to arrive.  County prosecutors will not file charges.

John?- An employee for an armored car company walked up to a bank in Lakewood, Washington.  He noticed a man wearing an obvious disguise standing outside the bank.  Instead of entering the bank, he contacted another armored car employee inside.  As the armored car guard approached from inside the bank, the robber drew his weapon and fired.  The guard fired in self-defense.  The robber was hit in the head and the thigh, but managed to limp to a getaway car.  The criminal was later dumped at a near by hospital and rushed into surgery.  Police are looking for the female driver of the getaway car.

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Listener e-mail discussion

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

I did a post on Saturday morning about an offer from the Americans for Responsible Solutions – the Gabby Giffords – Mark Kelly organization. They were giving away a copy of their new book for a donation of ANY size. I gave them $1 and think that it will cost them about $7 plus for the book and postage. As Mike Vanderboegh said, quoting Chairman Mao, it is the duty of every guerrilla to sap the strength of his enemy by existing off that enemy’s substance. As I said, that is $6 plus dollars that won’t be going to their anti-gun cause.

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Episode 258 – Joe Kalil, Brandon Combs, Frank Fiamingo, John Pierce

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, August 6th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonights show we’ll talk with Joe Kalil from the organization Protect Our Students and Teachers.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have Brandon Combs with us from the Firearms Policy Coalition.
Paul We also talk with Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS about The Shaneen Allen situation, and of course we have our weekly news and stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 258 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

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Rob- My article about Shaneen Allen was mentioned on Armed American Radio with Mark Walters.

John – Nothing new with me other than work has suddenly gotten really busy. I shouldn’t complain as busy means more money as I’m on commission.

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Rob- Police work is hard, and I hate it when the police get it wrong.  LA county deputies were looking for Cedric Ramirez.  Ramirez was wanted for parole violations.  Ramirez saw the deputies and fled.  He also shot at them.  He fled through a stranger’s home.  When one of the occupants tried to escape, the occupant was shot three times by one of the deputies.  The father of eight died at the scene.  This is the second time this year that LA county sheriffs deputies shot the wrong person in a hostage situation.

John- This law enforcement officer gets it.  The Harnett County, North Carolina sheriff expressed his concern about a recent spike in violent crime.  He asked residents to arm themselves.

Over a hundred people packed the Spring Hill United Methodist Church during a community meeting on crime.   Sheriff Larry Rollins told the crowd that the violence is fueled by gangs and drugs. “When I am out with my family, even though I am a cop, I don’t go anywhere without a gun.. I want my deputies at your house just as fast as they can when you got a problem, but you better be able to take care of business until we get there if you have to protect your family.”

Several speakers urged the residents to call deputies if they see something suspicious, and to keep a sharp eye out for themselves and their neighbors.

Paul –  A small town police chief is facing big time trouble after he pulled his gun out twice at city hall.  One time the pointed it toward a city councilman. Security video taken inside Blakesburg, Iowa City Hall shows Police Chief Bob Lewis pointing a gun toward a city councilman.  City Councilman Bill Hinshaw says, “It may have been a joke, but somebody who is in a position of authority…it’s something that never should have been done.”

Rob – You or I would be in jail for such behavior.  If we did that, we would lose our ability to own firearms removed for life and probably spend time in jail.

John – Do you remember the man arrested at the Phoenix airport for carrying an AR?    I gave him a hard time, and Rachel said we should wait and see what really happened.  The man was a political protester, and a doctor.  Yesterday he issued a long statement and here is part of it

“I consider myself a freedom activist and a responsible American citizen. I respect the rule of law.  I am an educated and responsible gun owner who has earned the legal right to have a concealed weapons permit. I have received extensive training in the safe handling of firearms as well as the substantial legal responsibilities that accompany firearms ownership. I enthusiastically support the rights of my fellow Americans to peacefully and responsibly keep and bear arms. I also strongly oppose the irresponsible use of firearms by anyone. I take my constitutional rights and the constitutional rights of all people very seriously, and I believe those rights need to be exercised and protected or they will be lost.

“I am a political activist.  My purpose in walking around the airport with my AR-15 rifle was to make the point that a peaceful citizen can openly and responsibly carry a firearm – including an AR-15 – for the protection of themselves and their community. I wanted to help educate the public and employees at the airport on this point by allowing them to observe a peaceful person responsibly carrying an AR-15 while doing things that people normally do there, like waiting and drinking a coffee.

“I chose to make this lawful political demonstration at the airport because there are few places in our society where the contrast between our liberties and their erosion is so stark. On the one side of a line on the floor, in the shopping area, we are relatively free, and can safely keep and bear arms. On the other side of that line we have the TSA, a large federal bureaucracy which completely disarms people and subjects them to gross invasions of their privacy, simply because those people want to travel somewhere.

“As I was making this political statement, I was careful not to disturb or endanger anyone.  At all times I was extremely careful to ensure my firearm was never pointed at anyone. In addition to carefully handling my firearm, the safety was engaged at all times. I have no plans to repeat this demonstration as I believe I have now made the important point that peaceful and responsible people can safely be trusted to handle firearms, even AR-15’s, even at the airport. There is never anything to fear from peaceful responsible gun owners.  That is all I have to say.”

Rob- I thought the guy was a nut.  I was wrong and Rachel was right; I should have waited to pass judgement.

John – We can still argue if the protest was effective in changing minds to our side.

Rob- The National Shooting Sports Federation is the lobbying and research group for the US firearms industry.  They recently released a report on the trends in firearms ownership.  The report shows Gun Culture 2.0 in full bloom.

48 percent of today’s first time gun buyers are women.
Women most often purchased a gun for self defense or self-sufficiency.
Most first time gun buyers are between 22 to 30 years old and live in the suburbs.
Of all first time gun buyers, 87 percent said they bought a firearm for home-defense and 76 percent for said it was for self-defense. There is obviously some overlap.
First time buyers spent about $500 on their first gun.
The most frequent purchase was a semi-automatic handgun, followed by shotguns, and then revolvers.

John- No rifles?  This must make the appleseed instructors cry.. or work harder.

John – Our neighbors to the North are working on changing their gun laws…for the better. In late July, Canada’s Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney announced that the Government planned to introduce the “Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act” which is designed to cut red tape for legal gun owners. The new rules would create one license to both own and purchase firearms, make transporting firearms around an owner’s home province less restrictive and bar provincial chief firearms officers from denying guns from citizens under the “any reasonable condition” clause.“I am impressed by the way the firearms community and law abiding citizens are abiding by the law,” Blaney told Sun News. “For these people we need to cut red tape. … The firearms community is abiding by the law, and are exemplary citizens.”

Paul- Here is a shout out to some local activists.  An anti-gun group planned a booth at the National Night Out in Arlington Heights, a suburb in Cook County, Illinois.  National Night Out is focused on crime prevention, and is an opportunity for police and other emergency personnel to mix with local residents.  The Illinois State Rifle Association planned a counter protest.  After the event organizers heard of the counter protest, the anti- gun group withdrew their application.

Tom Gresham calls this the “don’t shrug” policy.  We will lose our rights if we sit back and accept the lies told by the anti-self-defense groups.  An activists is someone who won’t shrug and say “Someone else should fix this.”  If not you, then who?  If not now, then when?

Welcome to being an activist, Brother.

Rob- This is why I’m an activist.   20-year-old Dartmouth student says she may have to give up her Ivy League dream and drop out of school because the prestigious college won’t allow her to carry a gun — to protect herself against a predator.

Taylor Woolrich said Dartmouth administrators told her they won’t let her carry a gun on campus, even though she lives in fear of a man who has been stalking her since she was a high school student in San Diego.  Campus police asked her to stop calling them for escort service as she moves about the campus after dark.  Now she confines herself to her dorm.  She took out a restraining order. Her stalker was recently arrested after he came to her home in San Diego.

John- The stalker is 67 years old.

John- Speaking of anti-gun-groups.. you may have heard of “Nevadans for Background Checks”. The group is pushing to get a ballot measure on the Nevada ballot that would mandate background checks for private firearms sales.  With a name like that you’d think such a group was a home-grown, grassroots effort to bring more gun control to the desert. And you would be wrong. It is another astroturf effort by the Bloomberg financed Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors. Author David Codrea did some excellent sleuthing on the group, and its ties to Bloomberg are solid. For example, the PAC registration form filed with the Nevada Sec. of State’s office lists one Tara Paone as President. Ms. Paone is one busy woman as she is also the Treasurer for Everytown as well as the Director of a similar effort in Washington State. This is just another example of how instead of being a bottom’s up movement, gun control is a top-down effort by “our betters” to put their stamp on our lives and rights.

Rob – Who knew that Bloomberg money is the fertilizer of to grow Astroturf.

John – Finally, a couple of items from Missouri – one bad and the other good. Listeners may remember that in Episode 255 we reported on the efforts by Mayor Sly James to ban open carry within the city limits of Kansas City. Last Thursday, the KC City Council voted 9-0 to officially ban open carry within its city limits. This ban may be short-lived as the MO Legislature will meet in September to decide whether to override Gov. Jay Nixon’s veto of a bill that would have prohibited KC’s actions.

Paul- Now for the good. Yesterday, voters in the Missouri voted by a 2-1 margin to approve Amendment 5 which declared that the right to keep and bear arms is an “unalienable right” and that state government if obligated to uphold it. The fair ballot language that accompanied the ballot said: A “yes” vote will amend the Missouri Constitution to expand the right to keep and bear arms to include ammunition and related accessories for such arms. This amendment also removes the language that states the right to keep and bear arms does not justify the wearing of concealed weapons.” Approval of the measure led Bloomberg’s Moms to say that it was “a gun lobby-backed proposal that could gravely undermine public safety.”

Rob- I guess if you are an astroturf organization you wouldn’t know real grassroots action even if it bit you. And congratulations to the people of the Show Me State for standing up for their gun rights.

John – The amendment also mandates strict scrutiny.

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

John Pierce- http://johnpierceesq.com  NFA lawyer.  Could DC impose an anti-gun carry permit system and remain within the judge’s ruling?

Politicians spoke publicly for a restrictive policy.  Not as restrictive a Maryland’s policy.

Brandon Combs- Tell us about the Firearms Policy Coalition.  What is going on in California anti-gun legislation?  AB 1014, SB 808, SB 53, SB 580

How do we find out more?  www.demandrights.org

Frank Fiamingo- Apply national attention to New Jersey Governor Chris Christie for the unjust prosecution of Shaneen Allen.  Look for Frank on Kenn Blanchard’s Black Man With a Gun, Tom Gresham on GunTalk, and Mark Walters at Armed American Radio.  Go to NJ2AS.com and click on Shaneen’s picture.  Also, call Governor Christie at 609-292-6000.

Joe Kalil from Protect our Students and Teachers.

Segment 4 DGUs

Paul- Burglars will often return to a house they’ve robbed and try to rob it again.   A home in Stanton, Delaware was vacant and being repaired.  Neighbors said it had been broken into, and taken over for parties.  The female homeowner and her son arrived at 6 AM Tuesday morning and found someone inside her home.  The intruder fought with the homeowner.  Fortunately, the homeowner was armed.  She shot the assailant once in the lower body, and the assailant fled.  Police found him in a near by trailer park.  He was captured and is awaiting charges.

One neighbor said “It’s awesome. If someone was going to break into my house I’d want to do the same thing. You’ve got to protect yourself.”

Rob- A Norristown, Pennsylvania resident was awakened at 1:30 AM as 22 year old Daryl Marquis Evans was pounding on his door.  The homeowner brought his gun with him as he answered.  As the door opened, Evans pointed his gun at the homeowner and and started making demand.  The homeowner fired six times, striking Evans in the chest, pelvis and leg.  Evans fired once, but the homeowner was not reported as injured.  Evans died at the scene.  Evans was a convicted felon and was wanted on outstanding warrants for drugs and robbery in Montgomery County at the time of the shooting. The DA said he would not file charges against the homeowner.

John- Three men came to a home in Wellington, Florida seeking the homeowner’s son.  The homeowner met them and they argued.  One of the men presented a knife and threatened the homeowner with it.  The homeowner presented his firearm and shot the assailant.  The three men fled to Palms West Hospital, one of them with a non-life-threatening gunshot wound.  They were taken into custody and the wounded suspect was then taken to St. Mary’s Hospital.  Criminal charges are pending against all three of the suspects.

Rob- Who is going to say it?

Paul- I will.  Don’t bring a knife to a gun fight.

Paul- It was late morning when four masked men tried to rob a Baltimore, Maryland business at gunpoint.  The business owner drew his own gun and shot one of the robbers in the leg.  All four fled and police recovered the handgun that did not belong to the business owner.  None of the customers or store employees were hurt.

Rob Comments- more than one assailant.  bad shot placement.  we don’t know if the business owner had the firearm on him or had to retrieve it from under the counter.

Rob- Don’t mess with these brothers.  They both operate bodegas in New Haven, Connecticut.  One store was robbed by a gunman carrying a rifle.  While the police were at the first store, the store owner got a call from his brother saying he had been robbed as well, only this time the store owner defended himself.  The police rushed to the second store.  An ambulance transported the thief to Yale-New Haven hospital where he was pronounced dead.

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Email from TJ:

Hi Paul,

You seem to be a very religious man, but you also seem to be a very respectful and logical man, so I feel asking you this should get an explanation, other than pure feelings and emotion. If you chose not to address it, I respect your decision.

In the Declaration of Independence, it’s stated that all men “are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights”, but, as an atheist, my question is this: Who endows me my unalienable rights? I know we hear the argument of “God-given rights”, but what about the rest of us that don’t believe?

Religion seems to go hand-in-hand with a lot of gun owners’ ideals, but I guess I am in some sort of gray area in my political beliefs. That’s why I think the two-party system is nuts. You can’t just lump people into two perfect, cookie-cutter categories.

Thank you Paul,

TJ Gauthier
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Rob- Comment- You are endowed with rights by your nature. You are endowed with rights because of of the type of creature you are.
John – Even though the Declaration referred to god given rights, I think philosophers refer to them as natural law and natural rights.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
John: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.