Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, June 11th, 2018 I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Marc Macyoung and Jenna Meek about their new book, “What you don’t can kill you.”
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Broward County Sheriff’s captain removed from office.
Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and tonight we’ll talk with James Kaleda about his new podcast, Out of Order.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a DGU involving a teacher… so climb aboard
Belle: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 451 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)
Rob- I went to a two day training course at Tactical Response in Camden, Tennessee. This is a beginning pistol course and the emphasis was on mindset. It is about as good as a two day course can be.
Paul – Do you feel that even when you take a new course even as a beginner course you still learn things?
John – Since the Second Amendment isn’t limited to firearms, I’ve been investigating buying a crossbow. Models and prices are all over the place. At the top end you can pay over $2,500! I’ve also been at work on designing my Form 1 .22 LR suppressor. I picked up a shop press from Harbor Freight yesterday to use to form the freeze plugs as baffles.
Tracy- The MAG-180 starts 13 days from today! This class hasn’t been taught in 11 years, and I’ll be traveling to Wisconsin to attend it. I have to shoot Mas’ quad-speed qualification, which I’ll shoot with my STI Trojan. Our own Rachel Malone will be at the 180 working as a range officer. Our own Dr. John Edeen will be taking the class as well. Stay tuned to future podcast episodes for my AAR of the 180. Everyone wish me luck!
Belle- Been teaching and competing pretty much every weekend since I was on last. Just took my last registration for our MAG40 at FAS today, its officially full. I am officially in the busiest time of the year and it’s a non stop ride thru September.
Paul/Susan : Quit my job – Ren Fair
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Rob- BROWARD COUNTY SHERIFF CAPTAIN REMOVED FROM OFFICE
In the four months since seventeen people were murdered at a high school in Parkland, Florida, a number of truly disturbing revelations have come to light.
Consider the perpetrator. It has since been shown that he was known as disturbed, and a disciplinary problem for the school and local enforcement officials. The local Sheriff’s department lied about the extent of the problem, citing 23 calls when records show at least 45. These calls started when the murderer was only 9 years old. He had been reported twice to the FBI. However, a progressive discipline policy had prevented legal action being taken, preserving the school’s stellar discipline record.
Then there was the School Resource officer, who chose to stay outside the school instead of entering to confront the murderer, and who subsequently resigned amidst an outcry for his prosecution.
Then there was the role of the person in charge of the Sheriff response on that day. It was Captain Jan Jordan who ordered her officers to form a perimeter around the school, rather than enter. The deputy chief of the local fire-rescue squad asked six times… SIX TIMES… for permission to enter the school and each time Captain Jordan said “no”. She even continued to decline permission after the murderer had been arrested. The fire-rescue commander cited Jordan as saying that she “..would have to check..” before allowing the squats inside. Captain Jordan had no training in incident command, or tactical command.
Now, after dithering a decision that cost the lives of students and staff, Captain Jordan has been removed. Mayor Payton said that this is one of many coming changes. Broward County Commissioner Michael Udine added, “When you have what you had on February 14th, there’s got to be accountability.”
Listeners, let’s hope that this extends to the school principal, the schools superintendent and the Broward County Sheriff, because we would hate anyone to think that this hapless Captain, who was out of her depth, is being scapegoated. WE’d also like to see your emails about whether the rescue squad commander should have asked for permission in the first place, considering his two suads each contained armed police officers
John – There is a story that broke this weekend that a former Secret Service Agent was asked to check security of the school 2 months ago. He did and made many recommendations. Nothing was done.
John – Sheriff Israel – “Lions don’t care about the opinions of sheep”
Rob- Ask your school board when they had an audit and if they acted on the recommendations.
Belle-RECYCLING MONEY FROM GUN BUYBACKS TO SEND KIDS TO GUN SCHOOL
The Illinois gun rights group “Guns Save Lives” has once again exploited the actions of anti-gunners to promote safe and responsible gun handling.
Once again, this shrewd and focused group of dedicated 2nd Amendment activists has used money it has garnered from turning in junk guns to Chicago gun buybacks, to send young people to an NRA summer shooting camp. Previous events have been in 2007 and 2012.
Six years ago, Guns Save Lives gave their first black eye to Mayor Emmanuel by harvesting $6,000 from the buyback and using it to send kids to the NRA summer camp. As a consequence, the city ended its buyback program and the leader of Guns Save Lives was banned from ever taking part in once again.
But, just a few days ago, Guns Save Lives was back with a vengeance to take advantage of a $100 per gun, no questions asked event. Turning in guns that were old, broken, rusty and looking like they “..dated from the Prohibition era..”. The group were not able to sellback all 60 guns they offered but did “..very well..”
Listeners – what do you think of this idea? Can you run it in your area?
John – COMING TO A SAFE SPACE NEAR YOU… THE PARKLAND KIDS’ SUMMER TOUR
Listeners.. do the parents of these whiny little babies know that they have escaped their cots and cribs? Is there some definition of child abuse that encompasses allowing your children to be exploited for political ends? We’d like to know what you think because we are bemused by the coming “Parkland Survivors’ Summer Tour”.
Yes, listeners you too can enjoy Mr Angry Foul-Mouth, aka David Hogg, as he “Bangs” his pouty little fist on the podium to “Demand Common Sense” gun control, and shakes his triangular little bobble-head against the “Child Murdering NRA members”.
You can watch in AMAZEMENT as Selfie-Hopping Emma Gonzalez tells people that politicians who don’t support this are “.. looking like they are going against kids.”
You’ll collapse in AWE as they ride a bus to 75 stops over 60 days, attempting to register young people to vote and indoctrinate them into hatred of the Constitution of these United States, and to voluntarily giving up their Natural Rights, all the while quietly backed by the Democratic party and leftist activists.
You’ll remember with a tear in your eye, how script-reading Delany Tarr, haltingly quoted her handling Democrat move-makers with “When you give us that inch, that bump-stock ban, we will take a mile.”
And here’s some things you won’t hear these little pediatric puppets pronouncing purposefully on:
* the leftist discipline policies that made the murders possible
* the inept leadership that allowed their classmates to bleed to death while help was ready
* the history of racism and bigotry embraced and pushed by the Democratic party
* that their politicians are bought and paid for not by the NRA, but more likely by Big Pharma
Listeners, make no mistake. This is one of the most shrewd and well-developed pieces of gun bam ideology ever developed by the left. They ARE coming for our guns.
John- I’ve seen some Democratic congressman saying they need to hire Parkland students as interns this summer.
Paul – SO CALLED RED-FLAG LAWS SPREAD LIKE FLEAS
Listeners.. one of the most insidious new tactics of the antigunners is the so-called “Red Flag” or “Extreme Protection” laws being signed onto the books all over the country.
Most recently, New Jersey joined the tide. Massachusetts Senate passed a bill. New York Governor Cuomo called to widen the list of people who can rain down gun confiscation terror on otherwise law abiding citizens.
So, what are these bills and laws about?
At their core, they allow a range of people… teachers, neighbors, family members, marriage counselors, doctors, psychologists and so on… to call the police if they believe that someone who owns firearms is a risk to themselves or others. The police are then obliged to visit and temporarily confiscate the firearms. The burden of proof (and expense) then falls on the gun owner to prove that they are not, in fact, a risk.
Many of the laws, such as that about to be signed in New Jersey explicitly involve “ex parte” decisions – that is, the target of the action (eg, you, Listener) is unaware that the accusation has been brought until the confiscation is enacted. Many (also including New Jersey) do not allow for action against those who would use this law mischevosly or maliciously, by launching a baseless attack on, say, a neighbor, for petty or vengeful reasons.
Many of these bills and laws even allow “current and former romantic partners” to launch the attacks – the one in MA allows suspension of gun rights for up to a year. Law enforcement agencies are not required to return seized guns after the order expires.
Listeners, these bills and laws should scare you. A lot. They empower people you don’t know to hold a hearing in your absence that may strip you of your 2nd Amendment rights forever.
This concept is a HUGE strategic win for the antigunners. Imagine your ex-partner decides to do the dirty on you. Imagine your kid’s teacher is anti-gun and is worried about little John or Jane. Imagine your neighbor gets annoyed when you run your lawnmower. The possibilities are endless. Listeners, they ARE coming for your guns.
Stripped of their veneers, martial arts and firearms training teach you how to harm another person. But society and the legal system have some definite ‘opinions’ about you doing that. There’s enough instruction out there on the physical parts of self-defense so we’re not going to spend much time on it. (There’s a lot of instruction on “how” so we’ll spend time on “when” and “how much.”) We’re going to invest more time on the other topics that aren’t as fun and sexy. These topics deal with how society and the cops will react to your defending yourself. Honestly, has your previous training covered them? Or does the dominant attitude contend that “it will obviously be self-defense, so let’s focus on the physical part”? No matter how much force you’re being taught to use.
2) Again from the chapter titled Courts in your book
Ours is not a justice system. Ours is a legal system. It’s about what the laws say and how they are interpreted. This includes how your case applies to the law, not the other way around. Think of the law as a test that your case will be run through to see if it passes. A very brutal test in that once the machine is put into gear, it must run its course.
3) Let’s talk a little bit about Tyler.
Rob- 5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.
Rob- Worchester, Massachusetts
Around 8:40 PM on a Saturday night, paramedics were driving by No Name Market when they say a 26-year-old man lying on the sidewalk. The man had been shot three times.
The man had entered the store with a large knife. He walked up behind one of two female customers and put his arm around her neck and held the knife to her neck. Before he demanded any money or made any threats, the store clerk pulled his gun. The hostage fell to the ground and the clerk shot the suspect three times.
The man dropped the knife and ran from the store with the clerk in pursuit who ordered to him to the ground before running back to check on customers.
The thugs injuries were not life-threatening. The clerks gun and license to carry were confiscated while the investigation is ongoing.
The other man was charged with 3 assault related charges.
Police: Knife-Wielding Man Shot By Store Clerk While Attacking Customer
Tracy – Ackerman Mississippi
On a recent afternoon, a mother had left to go to work, taking her daughter with her, her troubled brother-in-law decided to carry through on threats made against the family. The man was armed with a hatchet when he attempted to break into his brother’s home.
Unfortunately for him, his 16-year-old nephew was home and was armed with a .270 caliber rifle.
When the man made a sudden and aggressive move toward the young man, he fired a single shot, striking his uncle in the chest. When police arrived, they found the man on the porch, unresponsive and later he died.
The family has videos of the uncle walking around their yard with two machetes, threatening the father and the entire family.
Paul- I want to give kudos to the 16 year old young man.. Actually 16 year old man by his actions to arm himself and stop the threat. Also bad guy brought a hatchet to a rifle fight. John, I consider you a LOT more of an expert on rifle cartridges than I am, what is the .270 performance like and what is it generally used for?
John – the muzzle energy was approximately 2700 ft pounds of energy at that range.
A high school teacher would often wonder what would happen if she came face to face with an intruder. It is a common practice to visualize your reaction to various self-defense scenarios.
On a recent Saturday, her wonderings became real.
Her husband wasn’t expected home for another hour when she heard noises in the backyard. The family dog was also acting strangely.
She thought the sounds she was hearing was her husband coming home but when she looked out the window and spotted a man breaking into her car. She confronted the man and called 911. The man refused to leave so she told the dispatcher that she was going to get her gun. They tried to dissuade her from doing that but she persisted.
As soon as she stepped on the porch with her gun, the intruder decided that it was probably best to not be there anymore. When she looked in her car, she discovered that the man had dropped crystal meth in her passenger seat.
A 32-year-old man and woman were attempting to break into a home on the eastside of Gary recently. The homeowner heard banging at his door at 1 AM. He retrieved his gun because he thought someone was trying to break in.
When the door broke open, the 29-year-old homeowner fired once.
The want-to-be home intruders fled. Within 10 minutes of the first call of a shot fired, the police were dispatched to a local hospital due to a report of a patient with a gunshot wound.
The female intruder was arrested and an arrest warrant was issued for the male intruder.
We want to see things as black and white. Unfortunately, when it comes to allowing school staff to carry a firearm on campus, those laws come in shades of gray. Can a school board decide to have armed volunteer school staff on campus? Are the state requirements so restrictive that the school board can’t find a sufficient number of volunteers?
We are in a culture war with those who would suppress our god-given right to self-defense. The latest salvo was fired by YouTube which arbitrarily terminated Brownells’ YouTube page this weekend. There was no warning and no notice. Brownells is about as mainstream and Midwestern as you can get. After the outcry the page was restored sometime on Sunday with no explanation as to why it was deleted or why they reversed themselves. Big social media companies are not our friend and we need to remember that. While there are alternatives, they don’t have the same ubiquity as the YouTubes, the Facebooks, and the Twitters.
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (James Kalida, Jenna Meek, and Marc MacYoung) for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday February 26th 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Jenna Meek about her new book entitled “Calling the Shots”.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the death of Justice Antonin Scalia.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we have new data showing gun free zones attract criminals.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a lot of listener feedback including some text messages! .. so climb aboard
Rachel: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 368 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)
Rob- Carried every day. Early voted in my state primary. Read more of Massad Ayoob’s book Deadly Force. I read Chris Knox recommendations for NRA board.. and I looked for my NRA ballot. Anyone received theirs yet? Spoke with Bill Frady on Lock and Load Radio. He spoke highly of our podcast, and I speak highly of him.
John – I got my ballot this week around Wednesday. I will have a blog post out with a roundup of endorsements by next week.
I dealt with internet problems this week. After three service calls, my third cable modem, a new and expensive router, and the service tech actually listening to what I thought was causing the problem, I am back to normal. I hope I sound OK to the listeners. Other than that, we spent last weekend celebrating Olivia Grace’s first birthday. It is incredible to see how she has grown week by week over the year.
shooting: working for precision and accuracy on my DPMS, preparing for a long-range course in mid-March. .308 is plenty comfortable even with 175 grain….until that one shot that I didn’t have it all the way into my shoulder
reading to prepare for the course: accuracy and precision for the long-range shooter (Bryan Litz)
Paul/Susan I went back to work this week the outpouring of support is amazing I want to thank each and every person that has contributed commented posted texted or reached out in anyway. I am currently not armed. The state of Nebraska still has my firearm and it looks like they will continue to keep it for a while. I must say, it feels great to be able to work again. I took a load to Georgia this week, and then got delayed for a day coming back. That is why we are recording the show on Friday instead of on Thursday.
I want to take just a moment to have a little bit of a mini rant here. This is not a full blown rant just a few seconds to talk about something that is very important this week. On this coming Tuesday is what is known as Super Tuesday. There are a lot of states, 10 of them, that are having primary elections this Tuesday. It is critically important that you get out and vote this Tuesday, if your state has elections. Right now Donald Trump is in the lead in the Republican primaries.
I must say that Mr Trump scares me more than just a bit. it seems as though he’s come across as just about the same time he decided to run for president. It seems to me that is a dangerous man he comes across as someone who will say anything and do anything to promote his own agenda. Speaking for myself personally all way through I am NOT going to endorse any candidate before the national conventions this summer,. however I can say that I cannot support Mr Trump at this time. I think that any other person running for the nomination would likely be a better choice than Mr Trump. Should it happen that Mr Trump wins the Republican nomination for President I will support him and I will vote for him over Hillary or Bernie Sanders. However in the primaries I think we could do much better for the country than Mr Trump.
John – I heard a good comment about Trump today. Trying to persuade people not to vote for him is like talking to a friend who is planning to marry a stripper. You just know it isn’t going to work out but they still go ahead and do it.
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Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia Dies
Two weeks ago, America lost a brilliant mind, an unbridled legal thinker, a steadfast believer in the rule of law, and a courageous advocate for the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and Freedom. Justice Antonin Scalia died in his sleep Friday night, after a day of hunting quail at a West Texas ranch. He had lived a full, productive life in his 79 years.
Scalia is honored by the Rights community for his support of the legal theories that directly resulted in the Heller and McDonald decisions. He championed the use of the original intent of the Founders. As a result, the words of the 2nd Amendment meant what they meant as written, not some fanciful modern reinterpretation. His Heller majority opinion is a triumph of facts, logic and clarity,admired and praised even by his opponents. His 30 years on the Supreme Court have left an indelible impression on American jurisprudence and on the fabric of the United States. Antonin Scalia leaves a huge hole in the Court. One that Obama has already promised to fill. Another hard left ideologue, like his two prior nominees Kagan and Sotomayor, would shift the Court from a soft Right majority to a hard Left one. Ted Cruz haswarned that Scalia’s death leaves us “one justice away from the Second Amendment being written out of the Constitution altogether.” Much depends on the Senate Majority Leader to block or delay the nomination, under by rules written decades ago by the Democrats. The charitably described linguini-spined Mitch McConnell immediately equivocated, saying that the next president should appoint Scalia’s successor. It was a weak declaration, leaving plenty of room for surrender. Even more frightening, Justice Ginsberg’s frail health means another vacancy is certainly plausible before the 20th of January. Our listeners need to call their Senators and insist that they stand firm in the memory of Scalia and all he stood for.
Scalia’s replacement was immediately personalized by the president. Obama seems petulantly offended by any thought that his choice would be questioned. His petulance extended to refusing to attend the funeral of a 30 year Justice. At a recent press conference, Obamaclaimed that the Republican-controlled Senate has a duty to vote on his nominee to replace Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. Even the partisan Washington Post had to admit that the Constitution does not require the Senate to give judicial nominees a vote. Seems there is some Constitutional confusion. President Obama will likely be challenged by the words of Senator Obama; “I believe firmly that the Constitution calls for the Senate to advise AND consent. I believe that it calls for meaningful advice and consent that includes an examination of a judge’s philosophy, ideology, and record.” Joe Biden and others are also on Memorex stating that George Bush’s appointments more than a year before the end of his term should not be acted upon. We guess the Constitutional tables have turned.
In the words of legal scholar Cass Sunstein; “[Antonin Scalia] was a great man, and a deeply good one.” He will be missed – and we fear he will be greatly missed.
John – I am still reeling from the news that President Obama did not attend the funeral. Given that Justice Scalia was the first sitting justice to die since 1954, regardless of their philosophical differences, Obama should have been there. That he didn’t shows what a shallow, immature human being he really is.
John – One impact already is that the NY SR&PA is not going to appeal their loss in the appeals court on the NY SAFE Act.
Paul – (202) 224-3121
Rob- It is easy to be disheartened and cynical. Scalia inspires. His depth was optimistic
Rachel-a new president doesn’t guarantee a good nominee. We need standards upheld
The study compiled data from 2002 to recent times, where three or more shooting victims were injured or killed (not including the shooter.) Gang or drug related activities were not included. Within these definitions, 153 incidents were recorded. The Heritage Foundation found that in 54 of the 153 incidents (35 percent) involved random people who were not relatives or adversaries of the attempted murderer’s. Of those 54 incidents, the shooter chose locations where guns were banned 37 times (69 percent), showing the murderers strong preference for unprotected victims. There has been a large amount of anecdotal evidence supporting the findings. For example: the Colorado movie shooter passed on seven similar venues to attack a theater protected only by a Gun-Free Zone sign. Of significant interest to CCW carriers; in the 17 shootings where citizens could carry firearms, 5 (almost a third) were ended when the gunman was stopped or slowed by a gun permit holder’s intervention.
The results were clear: avoid gun-free zones if you want to lessen your chances of becoming involved in a mass murder. And carry when and where you can; if ill fortune strikes, you can make a difference.
Rob- Makes sense.
Michigan Jihadi Planned to Attack Where “People Are Not Allowed to Carry Guns”
The state of Michigan has helped further a Jihadi’sdreams of murder. Michigan prohibits the concealed carry of firearms in a place of worship. Khalil Abu-Rayyan, 21, planned to exploit that misguided legislation by shooting up one of Detroit’s biggest churches. “It’s easy, and a lot of people go there. Plus people are not allowed to carry guns in church. Plus it would make the news. Everybody would’ve heard.” <unquote> Fortunately, the wanna-be martyr was frustrated in his plans despite buying ammunition and practicing reloading his weapons. On Twitter, he later discussed his plans with another ISIS adherent, who was actually a FBI agent. The failed terrorist told the agent he decided to target a church specifically because people are not allowed to carry guns there. Abu-Rayyan also bragged about his dreams of beheading, saying he had gotten a large knife to use. The targeted church was described as having 6000 seats in the Federalcomplaint. That’s a very large hunting preserve for the terrorist; who would have been the only one armed thanks to Michigan’s fatally-flawed law.
What were we saying about gun-free zones?
Paul – Pay attention – the bad guys are practicing
Rob- Can you imagine having that job? What did you do today, Dad?
Criminologists, Economists Find Benefits to Gun Ownership
The Crime Prevention Research Center recently released asurvey of experts in Criminology and Economics. The study found that researchers supported what Second Amendment advocates have known all along regarding concealed handgun laws, gun-free zones, self-defense and crime, and suicide and guns. The researchers believe guns are used more for self defense than crime; gun-free zones fail to deter criminals, rather, they attract them; guns in the house don’t increase the risk of suicide; those who hold concealed handgun permits are more law-abiding than the average American; and permitted concealed handguns lower the murder rate.
“Economists and criminologists have very different approaches to research and different political views, but they both generally find benefits from gun ownership,” Dr. John Lott told Townhall via email. For example: By a factor of 12-to-1, economists believe that permitted concealed handguns reduce rather than increase murder rates. Criminologists also believe this, but by a factor of just 2-to-1. This type of data should certainly help the discussion of the benefits of arms in civilian hands.
John – Economists deal more with hard facts than criminologists and bring more quantitative rigor to their research.
Rob- Which billionaire supports self-defense.
Deaths Rise 9.3% – Reversing a Long Trend
American deaths have jumped an unprecedented 9.3 percent in the first 9 months of 2015. This unprecedented rise reversed decades of declining deaths and will likely increase the calls for more laws and tighter regulations. There are already moves to restrict the availability of high capacity vehicles and fully automatic transmissions.
Wait? — What?
It’s true, deaths have significantly increased on the Nation’s roadways according to the Department of Transportation. The increase comes despite all the government’s studies, regulations, laws, and increased enforcement. “We’re seeing red flags across the U.S. and we’re not waiting for the situation to develop further,” said the NHTSA Administrator. The bureaucrats immediately announced aseries of cross-cutting regional summits, junkets and boondoggles to drive (really?) behavioral changes.
It all sounds distressingly familiar. We can hardly wait for Moms Against Cars to screech in.
John – I blame the availability of cheap gas prices as well as assault cars.
Rob- High capacity gas tanks?
Thugs get guns.. even in Australia
We reported on the research study that showed US criminals never use a background check to get their guns. Both of our Democratic Presidential candidates then proposed a ban on civilian firearms. They cited the ban in Australia. The ban on private firearms in Australia occurred after a mentally ill individual used a semi-automatic rifle to murder shoppers and store owners back in 1996. Honest Australian citizens were disarmed by the gun ban. Australian criminals did what criminals do; they created a black market for guns. The number of guns and ammunition found on criminals has more than doubled since the 2005 to 2010 time frame. The Australian press looked at those reports, and rather admit that gun prohibition fails, they said they need even more restrictive gun laws.
We could have told the Australians that would happen. Ammunition is assembled in home workshops all across the United States. Guns are easily smuggled across borders, even on island nations like Britain and Australia. Prohibition fails time after time. In fact, the only thing that succeeds is the way politicians keep selling prohibition to the next gullible generation of voters.
We don’t report this story to point out that Australians are politically foolish. Far from it. Their experience is a cautionary tale for American voters who are fundamentally no wiser than their Australian cousins.
Disarming honest people does not make us safer. Not there. Not here. Not ever.
Rob- politicians sell a fantasy. Being informed means recognizing when you’re being lied to.
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Twitter Banning Conservative Commentators Several weeks ago, we told you about Facebook’s heavy-handed elimination of gun groups in their supposed effort to end legal private party guns sales on their site. Now, Twitter has apparently started banning or restricting members whose speech they find uncomfortable. Blogger Stacy McCain, with 90,000 followers, has been removed from Twitter. Other conservative voices, from Breitbart tech editor Milo Yiannopoulos ( ;^)’ CF), to actor Adam Baldwin and New York Times Book List author and gun advocate Larry Correia have felt the wrath of Twitter. Twitter has established the orwellian-named Trust and Safety Council to save their users from uncomfortable comments, ideas and wrong-think. The council is composed of leftists like Anita Sarkesian, infamous for her overwrought accusations in Gamergate. Not one conservative or free speech organization has been included in the group charged with ensuring that Twitter is “global and inclusive” in its future policies and practices.
If you haven’t noticed, there has been a long-term resistance to the ideas and issues the progressive elites find unacceptable. The possession of firearms is just one of the freedoms they object to. Now, two major-new media communication channels have suddenly and decisively moved to limit the spread of ideas they find troubling. We have been warned. To communicate with one another, we will need to rely upon ourselves rather than the unfriendly left-leaning elites of the internet.
John – I have been trying out quitter.se which uses GNU Social – whatever the heck that is. That plus MeWe.
Rob- GNU is a free open source follow-on operating system to replace Linux.
Rachel-social media thrives on controversy
John – I do use Twitter. I just checked and I have over 14K tweets with 929 followers. I did set it up to post links to my blog posts. However, I do retweet a lot of stuff and have engaged in guerrilla tweeting with the anti’s.
Because Only the Police Are Responsible Enough to Have Guns In a situation eerily similar to the Fast and Furious scandal, the Metropolitan Police Department of Washington DC <quote> “lost” <unquote> 24 firearms from their evidence lockers. Those firearms were later found at other crime scenes. One figured in a murder, several others were involved in violent crimes. An internal memo from the D.C. Department of Forensic Sciences found that 24 guns confiscated between 2005 and 2012 vanished from the MPD evidence locker and were later confiscated again in other crimes. There was no mention of the guns that went missing and had not yet been found. Poor record keeping is suspect, as well as criminally negligent physical security and outright theft. To date, no one has been implicated. Remember, only the police in progressive-controlled cities are responsible enough to have guns.
Rob- Cops or city employees sold the guns to criminals. Police Chief Kathy Lanier says YOU are too irresponsible to own a firearm.
Leland Yee Sentenced to Five Years in Club Fed
One of California’s most virulent anti-gunners has been sentenced to five years in federal prison — for gun-running. Yee made his bones in San Francisco with his unquestioning support of progressive policies and anti-gun efforts. Winning a state senate seat, he quickly became known for his staunch support of every piece of anti-gun legislation dreamed up in the fever-pit of Sacramento. So, it was a bit of a shock when he was indicted and then convicted for influence peddling as well as illegal international trade in weapons with Muslim terrorists and Asian drug gangs. This week, Yee received his sentence of five years in federal custody. Facing the possibility of hundreds of years of prison time, the five year sentence is certainly disappointing. Especially when you consider he was trying to bring fully automatic weapons and rocket grenade launchers for the ultra-violent Chinese drug gangs that own the underside of San Francisco, while doing his damndest to disarm the populace facing those criminals. The judge called Yee hypocritical and his actions vile. Yet the sentence was years less than the prosecutors had asked for. Yee’s confederate Raymond “Shrimp Boy” Chow and his political consultant both received stiffer sentences. It must be good to be among California’s elite. In the show notes there’s a link to gun-rights attorney Chuck Mitchell’s excellent analysis of the Yee debacle.
Paul – John could you please remind us of Leland Yee’s accomplice?
Rob- There is no justice.
The Real Australian-Style Gun Control Experience
Obama and Hillary have made much of the so called Australian-style gun-control – a disingenuous code-name for gun confiscation. In a two part series, Justin Luke, a family man of Sydney, Australia aims to educate Americans about the realities of Australia’s gun control experiment.
The link to the series can be found in the shownotes: Frightening stuff.
Undoubtedly some think that the Second Amendment is outmoded in a society where our standing army is the pride of our Nation, where well-trained police forces provide personal security, and where gun violence is a serious problem. That is perhaps debatable, but what is not debatable is that it is not the role of this Court to pronounce the Second Amendment extinct. –Justice Antonin Scalia
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Jenna Meek.
A gun is a compromise. A good gun will not be great at everything, but the right gun isn’t horrible at anything you need to do with it.
Any gun fits one purpose. We can use it for any task, but it fits ONE purpose well, even if that purpose is to be average at several tasks.
We all do “holster research” by buying the wrong holster. We need a “holster range” where we can try before we buy.
People new to carrying their gun concealed are not surprised at the weight of the gun and holster. In fact the opposite thing happens; they often touch the gun to make sure it is still there.
Buckle your belt when your pants are down.
Situational awareness. Know the difference between what is normal, abnormal and dangerous for a given environment. Be aware as you enter fringe areas where people thin out. Criminals look for prey at the edge of the herd.
5- Interview 2 Kathy Jackson
Las Vegas Homeowner Shoots Invader in the Face
A man with a 12 inch knife terrorized a quiet Las Vegas neighborhood late one night. He assaulted several homes before choosing the wrong doggie door. Alexander Gonzales, 40, has been charged with burglary with a deadly weapon; attempted burglary with a deadly weapon; and possession of a controlled substance. It seems likely that the controlled substance led him on the midnight rampage in South Las Vegas. He tried to break down the doors of at least three homes before trying his luck one more time. A neighbor warned the targeted owner by phone, and he was at least somewhat prepared. When Gonzales tried to force his way through the doggy-door, the homeowner shot the knifeman in the face. When the police finally arrived, the owner met them with raised arms and told the officers where his gun was located. Gonzales was treated at a local hospital for a minor wounds and released into police custody. The large caliber bullet entered the criminals face between the eyes, traveled beside the nose, through the lips and exited out the jaw. The thug should never buy another lottery ticket; he’s used up all his luck. The show notes contain a link to the thug’s picture. Be advised, it’s very graphic. Neighbor Nicole Stokken said; “I think it was very brave. I’m glad he did it. It made me feel better — that he’s armed.” Slokken believes the outcome would’ve been different if a neighbor had not called her with a heads up and if her next door neighbor did not shoot the suspect. “The detective told me the neighbor very well could have saved our lives.”
Guns in good hands have a tendency to do that.
Clerk and Thug Exchange Shots
Sometimes life can be a game of inches, as a Washington state convenience store clerk and a criminal found out. During the robbery, clerk Seul Lim, 30, and the accused robber, Tyrone Prophet Jr., 23, each got off one shot. His bullet clipped Lim, her’s barely missed.
On the surveillance video, the masked gunman is seen entering the store with a drawn gun, pointing it at Lim’s face and demanding money. She surrendered the cash but the agitated accused continued to wave the gun at her head. When Prophet looked away, she pulled a gun from near the register and fired. The thug fired at almost the same instant and then fled. His bullet hit Lim in the abdomen, her’s missed the assailant’s head by inches.
Police tracked the getaway car to a motel and arrested Prophet and detained the female driver. Investigators recovered a .380 semi-automatic pistol, as well as clothing seen in the video. He is being held on 1 million dollars bail. Prophet is also suspected in another convenience store robbery where the clerk was shot in the hand without provocation.
Lim was treated at the hospital and released. She’s tough. her husband said, She’s a tough cookie.
We’re glad the criminal is in custody and that Seul Lim will be okay. We’re especially glad that her husband made the “tough cookie” crack and not us.
Rob- training lets us make better judgements.
Tampa Liquor Store Robber Dies Freelance Bernie Sanders-ing a local store is tough and dangerous work. A young thief, Cody Bolesta, 20, and a partner tried their wealth redistribution scheme at Cut Rate Liquors of Tampa, Florida. The two entered the store wearing ski masks and hoodies; pointing guns and demanding money. Store clerk Willie Morris, 57, pulled his own gun in self defense and exchanged gunshots with the criminals. Bolesta was struck and made it back to the sidewalk before collapsing. His partner left Bolesta to die and fled. Morris was not hit.
At this time, police believe the shooting to be justifiable self-defense, but the case will be presented to the State Attorney’s Office for final determination.
John – I guess these thieves were not persuaded by the prices of cut rate liquors.
Rob- Video saves prosecution.
Self-Defense in Cali Self defense can be necessary, even in the gun-controlled paradise of California. A homeowner shot and killed a man attempting to burglarize the Ontario, California home. The owner confronted the 26 year-old-man in the home’s entryway, where they struggled. The intruder attempted to take the man’s gun and was shot a single time in the chest. The unnamed burglar was pronounced dead at the scene. As Bob Owens of Bearing Arms wrote; Even in anti-gun California this appears to be a very cut-and-tried case of self-defense, and it is not expected that the homeowner is at any risk of facing charges for defending his home, himself, and his spouse.
Failure in the Victim Selection Process – Armed Robber Gets Only Lead
An armed thief prowled a Minneapolis–Saint Paul neighborhood one night. But instead of money, a smart phone, jewelry — or a life — he got lead. You see, the thief’s chosen victim was a CCW permit holder who was carrying his gun.
Official information is sketchy, but there was certainly an exchange of gunfire. The concealed permit holder was standing at the end of a driveway when the 20-year-old male tried to rob him at gunpoint. It was the criminal who was mortally wounded; his victim was not hit. Police recovered both weapons from the scene as part of the investigation. No other suspects are being sought. Witnesses corroborated the victim’s story, and the legal CCW carrier was not arrested and was not expected to be charged. The alleged robber was well known to police. The city’s Police Chief said the man “goes back and forth between Brooklyn Park and Minneapolis. He’s an individual we’ve known from previous contact. He certainly hangs out around here.” <Unquote> Or used to.
State Rep. Pat Garofalo (R-Farmington) said, “A loss of life is a tragedy. But when a criminal pulls a gun, they risk ending their life. Concealed carry works.” Roughly 1 in 19 eligible Minnesota adults now has a permit to carry a gun for self-defense. Criminals should take note.
Rob- 20 crimes before they are caught.
Another Failure in the Victim Selection Process: Thief Tries to Rob a Policeman’s Home
A home invader is in guarded condition after kicking in a home’s back door. Unfortunately (for the thug), the home belonged to a Memphis police officer. The off-duty officer was forced to defend the lives of his two young children and shot the man as he entered through the door. Neighbors saw the policeman running across the street to a neighbor’s’ house with a kid under each arm to get them away from the scene. Only the criminal was injured.
Neighbors said that several police officers live nearby, and they are prepared if someone chooses to target them. A neighbor continued; In general, it’s as safe a neighborhood as you’re going to find any place nowadays. I do feel safe, but when I walk, I still carry my gun, my taser and my pepper spray. You have a lot of people here who hunt, a lot of people here who carry guns; and Mississippi is probably not a good state to just kick in somebody’s door and try to rob them.”
We can only hope the criminals will learn this harsh truth soon enough.
John – Tom Givens – only 3 students injured in over 65 gunfights involving his students – they weren’t carrying. The rest were.
Man shot dead Tuesday during a home invasion
“Guy just tried to come in here and cut my throat and he’s dying on the floor.” Those chilling words said to a 911 operator hardly do justice to the life or death struggle in a Lockland, Ohio home.
The resident reported that four people entered the home and threatened to kill him with a knife. Three others were still on the scene when police arrived Tuesday afternoon. A fourth person fled the scene in a gold vehicle. Police found a man inside the home with a gunshot wound to the chest. He was pronounced dead at the scene.
Neighbors said it is surprising that violence hit this particular home. “He’s a defender, you know, he defends his community. He defends himself, quite naturally,” Lockland resident Dwayne Palmore said. “What would you do if somebody came in your home?”
We all need to ask ourselves that question…. Continuously.
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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close
Listener e-mail discussion
We have a couple text messages that came into the show. The first person didn’t leave their name with the text message and we’re not going to read phone numbers over the air’
The first one says “Advice. You could say the text phone number slower on the podcast.”
Our second text message is “
Hi guys, love the podcast. Listening from Governor Cuomo’s New York State (upstate that is). Love the show. Saving this number now. Thanks. Matt in NY”
Just one voice mail this week.
John – From what I could find it involves retention screws on the firing pin.
Rob- Snap caps let you dry practice. You can use snap caps for a rimfire.
-Our 1st email this one from Carl
Since you need emails again, I thought I would relate my first, and so far only, negligent discharge.
I was very fortunate in a number of ways. First, I learned a valuable lesson. Second, the negligent discharge involved a small caliber air rifle. Third, the only damage was to my garden hose. Fourth, and perhaps the most important, is that my wife’s car was not in the garage!
Here is the story:
It was a cold rainy day outside and I was getting an itchy trigger finger. One of the nice things about air guns is that you can easily set up a shooting range indoors. As a lead catcher, I often use a cardboard box filled with old phone books or similar booklets. This will easily stop the pellets. I had set up shooting catty-cornered in our 2-car garage, probably a distance of 20 feet or more. I was shooting my old Chinese Norinco TS-45 in 0.177 caliber. The TS45 is a side-lever, spring action air rifle. Muzzle velocity has been reported as being around 700fps. There is no mechanical safety. Back to the story. I was sitting in a chair and shooting at a paper target. At one point, I loaded a pellet, which means cocking the gun, and went to shift positions in the chair. Ffffffftt! Uh oh. Where did it hit? I walked over to the corner at which I was shooting and started looking for a hole in the drywall or the garage door when I noticed the water leaking onto the floor. Yep, hit the garden hose. Fortunately the water valve was turned off. The pellet completely penetrated the first wall of the hose but remained inside. Since I had a repair kit handy, I cut out the damaged part and spliced the 2 ends. Then I was able to find the pellet inside the piece I had cut out.
All together, say it with me, “Keep your finger off the trigger until you are on target and ready to fire.”
Even though it was “only an air gun” and little damage was done, this episode left a lasting impression on me. I sincerely hope no one ever experiences a negligent discharge of any kind, but if they do I hope it will be as “harmless” as mine was.
Stay safe, stay diligent, and stay dangerous.
This is my TS-45
Below is a typical target. It is mounted on a piece of ¼” plywood which leans against my phonebook pellet trap.
Rob- Defense in depth. Follow all the rules.
Next comes in from a listener who signed the email Anonymous
Hi all, I just wanted to clarify that your listening last week wasn’t suggesting anyone break the law, and especially wouldn’t expect you guys to put that advice out. He was asking for use in states just like South Dakota where “no guns allowed” signs on private businesses (or people’s place of employment) are not stating that “You shall not carry guns here.” Rather it means “Leave your guns elsewhere, pretty please?” It is not illegal to carry in these locations until you’re discovered, asked to leave, and additionally refuse to do so. Since being asked to leave a business or being fired from a job are far better options that being killed, I always recommend my students disobey these signs and conceal a firearm. I personally keep a five inch duty pistol, with two spare mags, giving me 52 rounds to protect myself at my “gun free zone” job because I refuse to be a victim. Thank you for your time, stay dangerous. -Anonymous
John – Check your state laws. They differ in how they treat it.
Rachel-Texas is the same. To have the force of law, the signs must meet specific requirements (30.06 or 30.07). However, verbal notice is always valid.
Next is an email from Jerry
I love your podcast and would value your collective input on something I have struggled with.
By way of background, I am a middle aged former trauma surgeon who believes strongly in the second amendment and our personal responsibility for self defense. I have taken the advanced defensive handgun courses, shoot at least twice monthly and had the good future to participate in an active shooter drill with law enforcement. I carry either a chambered Glock 19 or Ruger LCP each with an extra mag depending on how I’m dressed. I usually carry at the 4:00 position with a hybrid IWB holster or a Fobus OWB holster.
I like all of the benefits of appendix carry (comfort, conceal ability, quickdraw, security, etc) but cannot yet accept the risk pointing the muzzle at my femoral artery. I have worked hard at practicing the “Israeli Carry” and can draw, rack and shoot in just under 2 seconds, but I need two hands to do it.
I would like to hear your thoughts on appendix carry and perhaps I can change my mindset!
Rob- I carry the same way you do, Jerry. I use a shoulder holster if I have to drive or sit all day.
John – I would look at a cross draw holster for driving. I know Ted Blocker makes a good one. As to Israeli Carry, from what the videos suggest, you have to rack the slide and do a somersault while doing it.
I was listening to the voicemail segment and the listener who had questions about carrying in his motorcycle.
I am an avid rider and I also follow the “pants on, gun on” belief. What works for me is being proactive with my riding gear choices. I have two jackets that I wear based upon temperature. Both have pockets just off of the main zipper. The cold weather jacket has an exterior accessible left breastfeeding pocket.
When I get off the bike I transfer the weapon to my normal carry position, or to a lockbox in the hardbags, which I also lock.
Thanks for the show,
P.S. My brother drives truck also, he complains about people who don’t understand physics, too. He used to drive trains, people think they can stop on a dime, too.
Rob- Our listeners might enjoy an article I wrote called You Stopped Mass Murder. It is up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog.. slow facts dot wordpress dot com.
John, you’ve been busy at your blog Only Guns and Money.
I posted earlier in the week about the HB 2406 – the SHARE Act or Sportsmen’s Heritage and Recreational Enhancement Act of 2015 – coming up for a vote in the US House of Representatives. Despite the name, this is not just a bill for Fudd’s. It contains a lot for Gun Culture 2.0 including money for shooting ranges, preventing the Army Corps of Engineers from prohibiting legal possession of firearms on Corps lakes and campgrounds for the purpose of self-defense, and prohibiting certain Federal agencies from banning lead ammo. As of this afternoon – Friday, Feb. 26th – the bill has passed the House by a vote of 242-161. Now it goes on to the Senate where it has died in years gone by. We need to keep the pressure up on this bill as it helps all of us.
We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank Jenna Meek for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan and Rob,
(Paul, stop talking now)
Rob: until the next time…
Gary: stay safe, (stay dangerous?)
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.
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