Episode 354 – Guns, in London?

 

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/354.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment 

2- News Segment 1

3- News Segment 2

4- News Segment 3

5- Interview Segment 1: Don Irvine

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:

 

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to episode 354 sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday, November 8th, 2015.  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Don Irvine about his organization, Accuracy in Media.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we have news about the Washington Post saying criminals shouldn’t be shot when they rob stores at gunpoint.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and our first story of defensive gun use talks about a Texas homeowner who not only defended his home, but he stopped a one-man crime spree.  So climb aboard,

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 354 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Went shooting with some new friends.  Signed up for the Texas Firearms Festival that is going on next week.  I also registered for a training course in two weeks.  I joined Dan and Cheryl Todd on their program Gun Freedom Radio out of Phoenix, Arizona.

 

John – I booked my room and flight to Las Vegas for the 2016 SHOT Show. I got some great advice on places to stay from Gary. Even with an upgraded room, I came in hundreds less than if I stayed on the LV Strip. I figure that could pay for a lot of taxi rides or even a visit to the Machine Gun Experience in LV. Now to start looking for a place to stay at the NRA Annual Meeting. For those looking for a place to stay, fellow blogger Tom at Daddy Bear’s Den has a guide on where to stay in Louisville – and where not to stay.

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

 

Paul/Susan – Working a lot. Registration is now open for the MAG 40 and we are off to a good start.

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

2- News 1

 

2-1 Thug’s family complains with the help of the Washington Post

After a long criminal record, Reginald Gildersleeve was just turning his life around.. again.  Last week we covered the defensive gun use where Gildersleeve wore a mask, walked into a small grocery store in Chicago, pulled a gun, and announced a robbery.  A concealed carry holder in the market fired several shots at Gildersleeve.  Now the criminal’s family says he didn’t deserve to die.. and why did he have to be shot more than once.  Their comments are getting play at the Washington Post.  The family says someone has to pay now that their brother’s been shot.

 

For the foggy journalists near foggy bottom, here are the rules.  If you dress like a thief with a mask over your face, act like a thief, and sound like a thief, then you will be treated like a thief.  If you look like you’re putting people’s lives in immediate danger with a weapon, then you can be shot and killed.. even if your family thinks you’re about to turn your life around.. again.

 

To be precise, the criminal was not shot too many times.  He was shot until he was no longer a threat.  Those are the same criteria used in either a civilian shooting or a police shooting.  Those are the real rules used in the real world.  Too bad the Washington Post is in its own little world.

 

CF – Mas Ayoob teaches that the most unloved, despised, waste-of-skin converted to room temperature in a righteous situation will have family members that haven’t wanted to see him in decades him rushing to court claiming harm and wanting justice. The type of justice that can only be had by folding money.   BTW: The CCW carrier will not be charged in the shooting. A good shoot – even in Chicagoland.  

 

John – When you work in a building with security guards…

 

2-2 Ha-Ooooo, a sub-gun in London

Anti-rights gun grabbing politicians here in the US say we should adopt European models of gun regulation to make America safer.  Really?  Fully automatic firearms were outlawed in England in 1936.  Semi-automatic rifles and shotguns were banned in 1988.  England outlawed handguns in 1996.  That means an automatic loading gun firing a pistol caliber cartridge has been outlawed in England for at least the last 80 years.  Yet three police officers in London were shot at by a criminal who had a submachine gun.

 

Gary- You mean criminals don’t obey gun laws?

Paul- No, Gary.(snicker) Thugs don’t obey gun laws any more than they obey the laws against robbery and assault. (chuckle)

Gary- Someone had better let our chicago politicians know that gun control doesn’t work.. even in England.

John- The weapon could have been a glock 18, and that model pistol has been around for 30 years.  Our thoughts and prayers go out to the British Bobbies who have to work on the crazy streets, and for the crazy politicians, of London, England.

Gary- I bet the British haven’t tried gun buy backs like Chicago.

(reaction)

Gary- That is called sarcasm, you guys.

 

2-3 Guns, Guns for sale.. from your local cop shop

It is hard to take the idea of gun control very seriously.  The anti-self-defense gun grabbers claim we could disarm honest gun owners and then criminals wouldn’t have any guns.  That might make sense if you only spent a second reading the headlines, but it is a failed idea if you read the next story.  Shotguns and handguns issued to police have turned up missing in an audit of the rural town of  Memphis, Michigan.  The small police department has had four chiefs in five years.

 

Criminals don’t stand in line for a background check.  They “borrow” a legal gun from a relative or another gang member.  Stolen guns are only 10 to 15 percent of the guns used in crime, but with a quarter million guns stolen each year, it is is foolish to imagine that criminals don’t have access to firearms.

 

John – I have read about “community” guns hidden in bad neighborhoods.

 

2-4  Where do thugs get their guns?

We talked about the gangs in Chicago, and how they borrowed their guns from friends and family members.  Let’s look a little deeper into that, and ask why the friends and family of the thugs are not prosecuted for giving guns to criminals. The gangs in Oakland use their single-mother girlfriends to buy guns.  The reason is simple.  Oakland prosecutors don’t want “baby mama drama” in the courtroom, so the women were rarely if ever prosecuted for straw purchases.

 

The same thing happened in Georgia where a 26 year old woman bought a pistol, spare magazine and ammunition for her felon boyfriend.  The boyfriend then murdered a pregnant female police officer.  The straw purchaser was sentenced to half a year of home confinement and parole.  That is why thugs get guns in broken Democrat cities.

 

The contrast could not be sharper when compared to the Pennsylvania police officer who bought a handgun for his father-in-law using his police discount.  The officer then had his father in law go through a background check at a licensed gun dealer.  The officer was sentenced to 5 years probation because it was considered a straw purchase. The Supreme Court of the United States agreed with the prosecutor.

 

This is why the NRA says we don’t need more laws, but need to apply the laws that exist fairly and quickly.

 

John – Tell me again how so-called universal background checks are going to keep thugs from getting guns.

 

2-5 Drug Enforcement Agency says drugs more dangerous than guns

The US Drug Enforcement Agency released a report on the dangers of drugs and self-medication.  They reported that 44 thousand people died from non-prescription drug overdose, and an additional 22 thousand died from overdose with prescription drugs.  That far exceeds the rate for fatalities from motor vehicles, drunk driving, and accidental falls.  Gun homicide and gun accidents barely made it onto the list of relevant risks.

 

Rob- I dislike Governor Chris Christie, but the Governor said we need to treat addicts with compassion and medical care, not with stiffer prison sentences.

Gary- Ok, so where are the billionaires funding drug treatment?

Paul- (Crickets)  No, they only want to disarm honorable citizens.

 

3-  News 2

 

3-1 Thank them when the media gets it right

We criticize the media when they get the story wrong about citizen self-defense.  That means we also have to say “thank you” when the media gives us fair coverage.  The Blaze wrote an article about the pro-rights organization, Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  They quoted both Rabbi David Bendory and executive director Charles Heller.  Heller said, “The purpose of our organization is plain and simple: to destroy gun control. Gun control is poison, [its] that simple.”  Rabbi Bendory said self-defense and owning firearms are an inherently Jewish value.  Quote “God has given you the precious gift of life, and just like any precious gift, you have the responsibility to care for that and treat it with the proper respect… while initiating violence is not ever an appropriate thing to do, violence when used in defense of self is not only righteous, but a required responsibility.”

 

The Blaze asked executive director Heller why so many jews support gun control.  He said, “Jews tend to be legalistic…we tend to be law obeyers and tend to rely on law rather than rely on force, that’s just the way we’re oriented.. Most jews grow up outside a gun culture.”  Bendory added “There’s this stereotype of redneck, anti-Semitic gun owners.  Jews are very surprised by what they found [after I take them to a shooting range.]”

 

It is always good to hear from JPFO, and thank you to The Blaze for a fair interview.

Gary –

Rob- I’m reading Loesh’s book, Hands off My Guns

John – I just was reading about the IDF and was struck how multi-cultural it is.

 

3-2 What is an elitist anti-rights billionaire to do?

 

We talked about the money in politics last week.  You could argue that there is too much money in politics.. or too little money invested in political campaigns.  What you can’t argue is that anti-rights billionaire Michael Bloomberg has invested tens of millions of dollars to buy politicians.  Any sharp investor knows that a politician is worth much more when his party is in the majority.  Bloomberg helped put Democrat McAuliffe (MC-CALL-IF) into the Virginia Governor’s seat.  Bloomberg spent millions trying to turn the Virginia Senate from a Republican majority to Democrat control.  Despite his multi-million dollar spending spree on two state senate seats, Bloomberg failed in last week’s election.  The Virginia Senate remains in Republican hands as Republicans retained all of their seats.  This is important so that both houses can block Governor McAuliffe’s anti-gun regulations in Virginia.

 

John- Bloomberg has a terrible record at buying politicians.  He lost the Colorado Senate seat and the Milwaukee Sheriff’s race to name a few.

Gary- He bought some of the Colorado Senate, and he bought the Colorado Governor, John Hickenlooper.

Rob- Money talks, but so does citizen activism.

John – You forgot the attorney general of PA.

 

Extra- 3-2

-Four Wisconsin Democrats proposed sweeping firearms regulations last week.  Their bill would outlaw most semi-automatic rifles, shotguns, and pistols.  The Wisconsin Assemblymen released a long list of cosmetic features they want outlawed on firearms.  There is no grandfather clause, so existing firearms would have to be turned in or the owner imprisoned.  At the same time that there is federal legislation to legalize firearms mufflers, this legislation would outlaw any gun with a threaded barrel that could accept a muffler.

 

-A New York Democrat Congresswoman proposed a bill in the House of Representatives that would add a one hundred dollar tax on every firearm sold.  The congresswoman admitted it was a way to keep guns out of the hands of poor people.

 

We conclude these democrats agree with Democrat Senator Hillary Clinton and Democrat Governor Martin O’Malley.. and think gun-grabs will get them elected.  Well that didn’t work in Virginia, now did it.

 

-Who knew, but Oregon is still a state for gun lovers.  Coos County Oregon just passed a pro-gun initiative with a 60 percent majority of the vote.  The initiative declared any state or federal infringement on gun owners to be void.  The initiative also stops the county from spending any money on enforcement of gun control laws.. like the mandatory background check law the Oregon legislature passed this year.  Well done.

 

3-3 How is that gun-free zone working for you, Governor Jerry Brown?

Faisal Mohammad brought a knife to school at the Merced campus of the University of California.  Mohammad stabbed two students until a construction worker, who was working on campus, pulled Mohammad away.  The construction worker had to kick Mohammad repeatedly to avoid being stabbed again.  Mohammad then ran outside the classroom building and stabbed a female student advisor.  Mohammad ran again and was shot by campus police.

 

The construction worker said being in a knife fight changed his opinion on concealed carry.  He wishes he had a concealed firearm when the mass stabbing unfolded.  It was almost exactly a month ago when California Jerry Brown signed a law banning concealed carry on campus.  I doubt that new law makes any of the school staff or parent of a student feel safer.  It looks like Mohammad didn’t obey the gun free zone sign either.

 

Rob- Several unconfirmed law enforcement sources in Merced say the assailant was on a terrorist watch list.  The islamic terror group ISIS praised his attack.  It looks like federal, state and local law enforcement let Mohammad attack students while Governor Brown disarmed both students and staff on campus.

 

John- Elections have consequences but I fear the voters of California won’t heed this message.

 

Break

 

News 3

4-1 NYT gets it wrong.. again and again

The New York Times reported that licensed concealed carry holders have killed almost a thousand people other than in self-defense over the last eight years.  The Times has used that number before.. and been corrected before.  How did the Times get their story so wrong.. so many times?

 

The Times takes its statistics from the Bloomberg funded Violence Policy Center.  The Times list of murderers also included any concealed carry holder who committed suicide, even if they did not use a gun to take their own life.  The Times did not include the fact that licensed concealed carry holders are 60 percent less likely to commit suicide than their peers.  They counted any self-defense homicide by a license holder as a murder until the case was adjudicated as self-defense.  The Times also added up each news report of a homicide, so a single shooting might be counted three or four times.

 

Using that method, a justified single defensive gun use might be counted as a murder each time it is in the papers, and only counted as self-defense one time when the grand jury gives their report.

 

The Times has been corrected several times before.. but they are not interested in using the truth when a lie serves their purpose of smearing honest and honorable firearms owners.

 

John – If they ever make a correction, you have to search to find it.

Gary –

Paul- The Zimmerman case must have been worth 200 or so murders

 

4-2 Self-defense news matters, because the media DOESN’T cover it.

This is our chance to thank our listeners.  We hear about it when a crazy murderer shoots children.  The media covers that event for hour after hour, and day after day.  Then the media and the gun-grabbers say we should ban guns because guns only hurt people.  This actually sounds reasonable to the average TV viewer because they get their news from the mainstream media, and the media never mentions the examples where guns save lives.  That is the pernicious bias of the news media against gun owners.  Let’s set the record straight.

 

This month, John Lott of the Crime Prevention Research Center collected 21 examples of legal gun owners using their firearm for self-defense.  Each example was covered by the local media, but none were covered by the mainstream media.  This distorts how the public views a firearm in civilian hands.  Hundreds of people might see the local news when a gun owner saves his family, millions of people see the national news if the gun was locked away and the murderer kills the entire family.  Those 21 examples from October are the ones you didn’t hear about where ordinary citizens stopped carjackings, bank robberies, delivery man robberies, and numerous assaults.

 

Gary – Thank you John Lott.

 

We only bring you a few of these stories each week, but we wanted our informed listeners to know how many self-defense stories were out there, and how important these stories are.  Thank you for listening.  Please tell a friend.

 

JOHN- Gun Quotes- A lie doesn’t become truth, wrong doesn’t become right and evil doesn’t become good, just because it is accepted by a majority.  Pastor Rick Warren

 

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest, Don Irvine after this advertisement.

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5- Interview 1

Welcome. Don Irvine.  You’re the chairman of Accuracy in Media and its sister organization Accuracy in Academia.  You also started the American Journalism Center and the Center for Investigative Journalism.  Don, I also like that the name of your blog is “On Target”.

 

Tell us about your organization, Accuracy in Media.

We report on slanted news articles.  Once is an accident, but you see a consistent pattern of bias.

You posted an article in you sister organization calling for the end of “gun free school zones”.

 

How do you collect and report those stories?

 

How are you funded?

Where can our listeners learn more about you and your organization?

 

6- DGUs

6-1 A homeowner living north east of san antonio, Texas had a hard night this week.  There

have been over a dozen burglaries in the area, and many homeowners were spending nervous nights wondering if they would be next in line.  Each robbery involved a thief prying open a back door in the early morning.  This time was different.  This time the homeowner heard the intruder and armed himself.  The thief advanced until he was shot.  The police took the thief into custody and transported him to the local hospital for treatment of a gunshot wound to the groin.  The police also found gloves, a pry bar and a head lamp with a red lens at the crime scene, and the articles did not belong to the homeowner.  Checking with local pawn shops, the thief had pawned a large number of objects in the last few weeks.  It looks like this homeowner stopped a crime wave.

 

6-2 Three armed and masked thieves entered Longs Jewelry store in Winston-Salem, North Carolina.  Two of the robbers waved guns around threatening customers and employees.  The third thief stood guard at the front door.  The thieves then smashed the display cases and grabbed the jewelry.  The store is family owned, and one of the managers took his own firearm and fired twice at one of the thieves.  One of the criminals was struck twice.  All the thieves fled, with the injured thief collapsing on the ground outside the store.  The two other criminals were long gone by the time the police arrived.  Medical responders pronounced the wounded criminal dead at the scene.  The dead man had two prior felony convictions for armed robbery in North Carolina.  A spokesman for the local district attorney’s office said the store owner acted in defense of himself and others so no charges would be filed.

 

Rob- That is a tough problem for a gun owner to solve.

 

Paul-

Gary –

John- Also under NC law, the family of the thief cannot sue the jeweler.

 

6-3 Elderly Man Fires a McLatchy and Scares Off Invaders

 

Hey, someone actually took vice-president Joe Biden’s advice! An elderly Utah couple opened their door Halloween night, not to a pack of sugar-crazed munchkins, but to four invaders pointing a shotgun and a rifle.  However, the homeowner was no Biden: he had a pistol on him. He drew and put one round — into the ceiling. That warning shot, know as a McLatchy North of the Border, shocked the invaders into dropping their weapons and beating feet. Score one, well: one half, for the homeowner.  He survived, but he does have a hole in his roof.


Gary will tell you that with his warning shot, the homeowner was likely every bit as dumb as Slow-Joe and his advice to “fire two blast outside the house”. Thankfully, the home-invaders were even dumber and panicked themselves into fleeing. If they had been a little smarter – or somehow even dumber – the situation could have quickly turned very bad for the owner.  With four armed thugs inside the home there is absolutely zero time for anything but direct action.The good guy has to immediately start evening the odds, and the criminals holding the shotgun and rifle would be excellent places to start. Wasting precious seconds, some very limited ammunition, and perhaps endangering an innocent in the path of the warning shot was not the thing to do.

Thankfully, it all worked out for the better.  We guess: better lucky than good.

John – There are a lot of good trainers in Utah and I’d suggest some training for this couple.

Paul – A great example of how not to do it.

Rob-

6-4   Love Beats 911
They say love conquers all — especially when love is armed with a self-defense pistol.  A San Antonio, Texas woman was grabbing her purse from her apartment when three suspects tried to rob her. She called for help – not from 911, but from her boyfriend – who got there a whole lot faster. In the confrontation, one robber was shot in the shoulder and one in the leg.

The suspects escaped by car, but investigators found them lying on the sidewalk at another apartment complex. Naturally, they claimed to be the victims of the robbery. The cops weren’t buying it, and the perforated duo will be charged with aggravated robbery. The boyfriend is not expected to face criminal charges. We suspect he will be rewarded in other ways for his timely and brave actions.

 

Paul – Call 911 as well!

John – Doesn’t Mas Ayoob always say be the first to call 911?

 

Rob- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Mike from the Reloading podcast emailed in:

 

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote two articles that I hope interest our listeners.  The first is called “Of Course They Want Our Guns.”  The second is called “What We Know About the Next Mass Murder”  These articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

 

Last Sunday night I watched 60 Minutes and their report on so-called Smart Guns. It was what one would expect from CBS and the mainstream media. Among the interviewees was NJ State Senator Loretta Weinberg who was the sponsor of New Jersey’s “smart gun law”. Lesley Stahl asked her a lot of questions but it was the one that wasn’t asked that was important. That is, if smart guns are such a good idea and if police officers have often been shot with their own firearms, why is law enforcement specifically excluded from the requirements of that law? The answer is that cops like anyone with a modicum of commonsense don’t trust them to work when they need to work.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

Paul – john you are one of the 6 viewers they have left.

 

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Rob- We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 350 – Back From GRPC

 

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guests Tina Maldonado and Brittany Sutton

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

 

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to episode 350 of the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday October 11th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about the murders at Umpqua Community College .

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with

Tina Maldonado and Brittany Sutton about Texas students for concealed carry.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s  we talk about a Houston criminal that made a very poor choice in the victim selection process. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 350 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I carried at GRPC.  I had an additional adventure on the way home because I had a gun.  Here is a pro-tip for traveling with a gun.  Carrying a gun only adds a few minutes to your travel time at the airline counter, but it could add one problem.  You CAN NOT be late at the airport, not even by one minute, if you’re carrying a gun in your bag.  There are hard cut-off times for checking a bag before your flight.

 

You can’t dash to the gate and then check your bag as you walk down the boarding ramp.  We have to check our bags at the counter if we’re flying with a gun.    I missed my flights so I had to rent a car and drive the last hundred miles.

 

One of the highlights of the trip was to meet AWR Hawkins.  He has been writing a lot these days.  I also got to talk with Jim Irvine.  One of my disappointments was the people who did NOT go to GRPC.  Come on, guys.  Go to Tampa and stop making excuses.  Really, I lost respect for some people who didn’t go to the conference.

 

You know we have to shout out a thank you.  You know that, don’t you?  Guys?  Who do we owe a thank you?

 

I was on Mark Walter’s Armed American Radio and on Bill Frady’s Lock and Load Radio program a couple of times.  We have to tell them that we’ll hold a seat in the front row for them in Tampa.

 

I’ve also stopped carrying concealed in Louisiana.  I carried as a non-resident because I had nonresident reciprocity from my licenses in other states.  Those licenses are not valid for carry in Louisiana now that I’m a Louisiana resident.  I’m applying for my new permit and going unarmed.. unless I go to Texas, where I can carry again.  Don’t you all feel safer?!

 

I made room reservations for nra convention in May.

 

I have some training coming up.  I’ll be a line coach with Jeff and Robyn Street in Naples Florida on October 24th.  They are having a glock range day at the LouLand Gun Club.  The entry fee is $5, and they have loaner guns.  If you’re on the South West coast of Florida and are free on Saturday, October 24th, you should look into it.  Maybe you have a friend who talked about self-defense.  Look for glock range day at step by step gun training in Naples, Florida.

 

John – I spent yesterday morning at the local gun show working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth. We got a number of people to sign our petition saying no more gun control at the Federal level. It will be delivered to our US Senators and Congressmen. While at the show, I bought enough ammo that Hillary Clinton would say I need a license to purchase – if she had her way.

 

I have talked to a number of people about attending the next GRPC in Tampa including fellow GRNC volunteers. I think this past GRPC in Phoenix had to rank as one of the best. I talked to more activists than ever before from a number of states. I credit the podcast for this as I was more visible and people sought me out. The other thing I enjoyed about this GRPC is that I finally got to meet Gary and Rachel in person. It’s one thing meeting a person over the Internet, it is another to meet them in person.

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

We have a weekday evening ILFCCL class coming up October 19-22 it will be four evenings from 6-10pm.

I had to block a friend on Facebook for posting a name calling article to me. That really makes me sad, when someone reverts to name calling they are admitting they have lost the argument. Please try to avoid this in your conversations with the anti-gun crowd. This brings me to this post on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CourageCampaign/photos/a.164423892567.119987.7364882567/10153300704932568/?type=3 This is a post about the concealed carry school ban in California. The horrible things people are saying to each other, from both sides of the argument, are despicable. Please remember we are a polite society. Aside from that, someone posted “…no armed bystander has ever stopped a mass shooting. Ever.” and it got 8 thumbs up. There were also several posts about how a concealed carriers will just start wild west shoot outs with the bad guys and cause more carnage and kill innocents. I just want to say with no animus and only love in my heart, if you believe this you are flat out wrong.

 

I and most concealed carriers take carrying a self defense tool as seriously as most people do driving a car or surgeons do when operating on people. If you think me being in your proximity while I am carrying a concealed firearm puts you in more danger again you are just wrong.

 

Oh, yah GRPC…the water slide was awesome. Seriously, amazing, got to meet so many positive minded gun rights people that it recharged my energy to do whatever I can in my own small way to support gun rights. Take your time and watch all of the video that we recorded at GRPC, I promise something from the speakers or one of our exclusive interviews will make you say to yourself, “Wow, that was interesting or I hadn’t thought of that.” The listeners have been so helpful in the past I’m reaching out to them again. I have a student that is interested in switching to a shoulder holster for the winter and since it’s been over 20 years since I did bodyguard work and wore a shoulder holster under a suit I’m sure things have changed, so if anybody out there is currently using a shoulder holster please share your experiences with us at OnAir@PoliticsandGuns.com Sig P938

 

Paul – WOW what a GRPC in Phoenix. Had a great time while we were down there and an amazing trip back. Highlight of my time down there had to be Dave Workman giving us a little grief and then jumping on the mic after finding out we were on the air and coming through like a trooper. Also getting Alan Gottlieb (my personal hero in the gun rights arena) on the air.

Highlight of the trip down was a tie between meeting Laura Carno for lunch and taking US 160 just east of Pagosa Springs Colorado. Really experienced truckers that spend a lot of time in the west or southwest will know the reference to Wolf Creek Pass, made famous in the C.W. McCall song. It is a BEAUTIFUL drive… in a car… I can only imagine what a pain in the butt it is in a truck.

The Trip back was highlighted by a stop for breakfast at the Shooters Grill in Rifle colorado. A few things about this stop, first there isn’t any truck parking close by. the nearest truck parking is about a mile and a half away at a rest area.  Secondly the food is REALLY good. I was expecting that they were getting business off of the gimmick of the staff open carrying, but I was pleasantly surprised!  Yes, our waiter was open carrying (he carried an XD) and was super attentive to us. Another surprise about Rifle is that of the 3 cafe’s that were on Main street 2 were open for breakfast and of the 3, two had pro gun signage up. Also there were 2 ummm marijuana dispensaries and both had very clear no guns allowed signs.

 

Was on the GunBlog Variety Cast this past  week, thanks to Sean for asking me to come on and doing a masterful job of editing my ramblings. We talked GRPC and why more people should be there.

 

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Seg 2- News

 

UCC shooting

The members of the Polite Society Podcast would like to extend our sincere condolences to the family, friends and community of the nine victims off the Umpqua Community College tragedy. Trapped by madness and religious hatred and bigotry, the students and staff of UCC paid a fierce price in what the school administration had declared as a gun-free zone. Not even the school’s single security guard was allowed a firearm to preserve the fantasy of an unarmed oasis.  

Obama didn’t wait for the bleeding to stop before he rushed before his cameras. In twelve minutes of rambling petulence, he expressed his frustrations with his six years of gun-control failures. Referring to himself 28 times, much more than twice a minute, he personalized the gun-control debate, holding it as a personal affront that his desires had not been granted. He trotted out the usual non-sensical “common sense” demands, backed by discredited studies, half-truths and outright lies. And he pledged to politicize the tragedy even further and push the usual gun banner’s dreams – NONE of which would have prevented the murders.

Obama targeted a unnamed, sinister, shadowy organization that was wholly responsible for frustrating his whims. His willing minions in the media were quick to take up the boogeyman fallacy. More than a few people who should have known better responded and demanded that the NRA be labeled as a terrorist organization. No mention was made of the millions of people that actually make up, support and guide the NRA.

 

It’s hard to believe this latest divisive distraction from his collapsing presidency will go anywhere legislatively. The Congress is in relatively friendly hands, even if Boehner and McConnell roll over once more for old times sake. The danger is in Obama’s lawless and unConstitutional executive actions.  The one phone and pen action that has been floated will do absolutely nothing to affect violent crime, other than possibly criminalizing some wives for selling their late husband’s firearm collection.

What the Obama tantrum did is identify his desired end state for the gun “problem.”  He favors the British and Australian models of gun control. Have no doubt those models mean draconian bans on nearly every firearm in private hands, door to door confiscation, mass destruction, and the centralization of all arms and power in the hands of the government. This, Mr President, we will resist.  

It’s going to be a long, difficult wait until the Twentieth of January, 2017.  

 

Comments:  Okay – I’m outta here. The Princess is back.  Thanks again

How’s the tone for the above rant?  OK, Dan.

 

-john – I want to point out the killer passed background checks.

 

Paul -There were widespread protests in Roseburg, Oregon when the president came to visit.  Roseburg is a deeply red working class town.  The president and the media were widely resented as using the town’s tragedy for their personal profit.

 

Rob- I want to talk about gun control.  Oregon has mandatory firearms registration.  The murderer registered his firearms.  Oregon has mandatory background checks.  The murderer passed those background checks.  The school campus is restricted as a gun free zone, and honest students were disarmed as the murderer went to a gun-free zone.  Oregon is a gun control paradise, and the state is ranked 18th out of 50 by the Brady campaign because of its strict gun control laws.  Obama had to speak out quickly.  Not because he has a solution, but because his policies failed so miserably and he needed to distract the public from noticing his failure.

 

As to the news media, they have been horribly corrupt in their coverage.  Here is a thought experiment for you. Do you think the media would be chanting for more “gun-free zones” if the murderers we’ve seen this last year were attacking newsrooms rather than schools? I think the newsies would start carrying at work.  The CNN studios in New York had armed guards the day after the Charlie Hebdo murders in France. and they do today as well.  They have armed security every day.. yet they say we should put our children in disarmed schools.. and blame the National Rifle Association even though the NRA has begged for armed school guards.

 

Open comment- If gun free zones are such a good idea, then start with the White House.

 

-John – I will say that some Republican presidential candidates responded appropriately. I want to mention Bobby Jindal and Ben Carson in particular. Jindal asked where the father was and Carson asked why more people didn’t fight back.

 

Rob- Did you hear where 22 people were stabbed when a 16-year-old boy went on a  rampage.  It happened in Pennsylvania.. in a gun-free school zone.

 

Hate to the NRA

Top strategists in the Democrat party have decided this is the year to attack gun owners.  We’ve heard several outbursts from politicians condemning honorable gun owners and the National Rifle Association after this last public murder.

  • Hillary Clinton said “You know, the NRA’s position reminds me of negotiating with the Iranians or the Communists. You know there is no possible discussion and it’s for political purposes.”
  • President Obama asked America’s gun owners ..to think about whether your views are properly being represented by the organization that suggests it’s speaking for them.
  • Bernie Sanders said “we have got to come together on common sense approaches.. to ban semi-automatic assault weapons, guns which have no other purpose but to kill people.”
  • The Chicago Sun Times says every politician in washington should pass a law making it illegal to sell a gun online or at a gun show to anybody who is a convicted felon, repeat domestic abuser or seriously mentally ill.  How unreasonable would that be?

Obviously the Chicago Sun Times and leading democrats don’t know existing firearms laws that already make those transfers illegal.  They don’t know how mass murderers actually get their guns.. or they don’t care, because they only need to sell voters and advertisers, not solve a real problem.

 

Gary?  open comment-  The NRA is the only organization that gets blamed for things its members never do.

  • John – I don’t have a problem with neg. like the Iranians. They got the bomb and the USA got nada.

 

Rob- I called the NRA and asked them how NRA membership numbers look.  In particular, I asked the membership office in Fairfax, Virginia  if people were calling up and cancelling their memberships.  They aren’t.  The rate of new memberships and renewals is up, but they have noticed a particular surge in new lifetime memberships.  Life memberships are usually a thousand dollars, but the NRA runs a promotion at each annual meeting where they drop the rates.  You can become a life member, an endowment, patron or benefactor member.

 

A friend of mine in New York City is a photographer.  She doesn’t own a gun, but after hearing the progressive politicians dump hate gun owners and the NRA, she became a member.

 

John- Now your friend gets daily e-mails from Fairfax.   

 

CF- She doesn’t have to get them if she doesn’t want them. The NRA is EXTRAORDINARILY good about respecting their members desires. My Father bitched and moaned until I talked to the NRA for him. They immediately took him off all their mailing lists. This forced my Dad to find something else to bitch and moan about. 😉

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Do Non-Badged Citizens With Guns Ever Stop Mass Shootings?
In his televised fit only hours after the UCC murders, Obama dismissively asked if more guns actually reduce crime? Eugene Volokh, of the Volokh Conspiracy blog, answers definatively: Yes they do!

 

Professor Volokh cites ten times where a civilian with a gun stopped a mass shooting.  Of course, such instances are relatively rare, as the diseased mass killer usually chooses places where he will not be restrained in his sick fantasy. Areas like gun-free zones. As an example, the Aurora theater killer deliberately bypassed nine closer venues and choose a smaller movie house – because it was the one protected by a gun-free zone sign.   

It seems the only logical way to reduce these mass killings is to eliminate gun-free zones.   

 

Rob- I’ve written about this.  John has written about the failures of gun control.

Gary- Massad Ayoob has written about this. He references an article that talks about a dozen cases where a concealed carriers stopped mass shootings.  It is good to see other journalists weigh in.

 

-John – I love what Mas calls GFZs – hunting preserves for psychopaths.

 

Cuomo Throws an Anti-Gun Tantrum

Speaking of petulant tantrums, New York Governor Cuomo threw a beaut at the funeral of an ex-aide. His former aide and friend was shot at an early morning party in the Bronx. Instead of eulogizing his friend, the rabidly anti-gun Governor of New York City and Albany delivered a political anti-gun stump speech. He demanded the Democrats shut down the nation’s government until the gun control laws that are not working in New York are legislated nation-wide.   

 

We certainly agree with Cuomo’s demand to shut down the non-essential portions of the federal government. However, the laws that the citizens of his state are roundly ignoring are nothing we could tolerate under our Constitutionally guaranteed Rights. Better try again, Stumpy.    

 

Ronald Reagan Carried a Gun While President
Another President had very different ideas about personal gun possession and use. Brian Meltzer, author of the new book The President’s Shadow, reports that President Reagan carried a weapon in a bag or briefcase with him after the assassination attempt. A Secret Service agent revealed this info to Meltzer while he was researching the book.  

Looks like the nickname Ronnie Raygun was a little bit closer to the truth than his detractors would have hoped. Good on you, Mr. President!   

For any commentator: Sooooo, what gun do you think Reagan carried?  A 1911?  ;^)’  Old School Cool.  

 

Paul- I remember an old interview where RR stated that he saved a woman from an attack from his room by pointing an unloaded handgun at the perpetrator. It was widely thought of as a made up story until NPR (seriously!) tracked down the nurse who corroborated the story.

 

CF-Yep, a 45 Colt single action, if I remember correctly.  Definitely old school cool.

 

Felon Shoots and Paralyzes a Veteran Outside of St Louis Cardinal Stadium
This story strikes too close to home for one of our staff members. A 43 year old veteran celebrating his mother’s birthday at a St Louis Cardinals game was shot and paralyzed by a felon with a decades long rap sheet.

Chris Sanna and his girlfriend were walking back to their car after the Cardinals game when they were assaulted by two armed robbers. Despite giving the criminals everything they wanted, Sanna was shot in the back. The bullet punctured his liver and lung after destroying two vertebrae and his spinal cord. Doctors do not expect Sanna to walk again. There has been a recent spate of victims being shot after a robbery, perhaps related to the racial tensions in the city.  


Several days later, police arrested Kilwa Jones for the assault. Jones was already in jail for beating the mother of his two children. Police found video of Jones using Sanna’s credit cards. They’ve also recovered a 9mm Hi-Point from the career criminal’s car.


The Cardinals do not allow any weapons in their stadium; that includes knives and pepper spray. They do back up their policy with metal detectors, but that works only inside the stadium walls. Fans must walk the downtown streets to get to get to their cars. The fans are known to be weaponless – and very attractive to criminals. From personal observation, city police and security guards are largely absent from the streets after the games.  Fans disarmed – and abandoned – Cardinals games will be few and far between.      

 

Rob- Gun free zone.  fugitive from justice.  Tell me again how the state will protect us from thugs.

 

Governor Brown Vetoes SB347
It’s a sad commentary on the state when “Flaky Jerry” Brown, Governor Moonbeam of California, is one of the more rational political voices.

 

Senate Bill 347, authored by Senator Hannah Beth Jackson, a member of the Barking Moonbat Caucus, would have eliminated Second Amendment rights for some minor firearm-related misdemeanors. For example, possession of a single round of ammunition on school grounds could have cost a citizen their firearm rights for ten years. Brown vetoed this bill and eight others, stating; “Each of these bills creates a new crime — usually by finding a novel way to characterize and criminalize conduct that is already proscribed …without commensurate benefit.”

 

Congratulations Governor Brown, for bringing a small amount of common sense to California.

 

Unfortunately, sanity was apparently only a fleeting acquaintance, as Jerry has signed Senate Bill 707. The bill, despite the experience of the UCC murders, prohibits licensed, law-abiding CCW holders from carrying firearms on school property. The law further criminalizes the simple possession of ammunition on campus, even without the firearm. Apparently, the politicians decided to Gun-Free Zone HARDER!

 

Rob- This is more of the culture war on gun owners in California.  So the inadvertent possession of ammunition on school grounds was vetoed in one bill and then passed in the next bill.  The democrat politicians of California are abusing gun owners while they build another school shooting.  The California Attorney General said the legislature should show autopsy photographs of the murdered students in order to pass more gun laws.  I like that.  I want to show the pictures of the murdered students to show how their gun free school zones failed again and again.

 

John – I think Gov. Brown is trying to split the baby. He vetoes one anti-rights bill and then signs another. It doesn’t work that way. You are either pro-rights or anti-rights. There is really no in-between. The fact that SB 707 creates a privileged class – retired LEO – is wrong.

 

Professor leaves Texas for Australia

Here is a lighthearted take on the very somber subject of guns on campus.  MIssouri and Texas passed laws allowing carry on campus.  A local campus denied its staff the right to carry.  In similar situations, some professors have written articles saying students are at a greater risk once licensed concealed carriers are disarmed.  One law school professor at the University of Missouri is suing the school for a civil rights violation by denying him the right to carry. A business professor at Purdue in Indiana is also fighting for that same right.

 

John- William A. Jacobson is a clinical professor of law at Cornell Law School.  He also blogs at the Legal Insurrection website, and he came out against gun-free schools.

 

In contrast, one professor at the University of Texas at Austin said he will leave Texas and go to Australia to teach because of Texas carry laws.  Another 390 faculty members from UT said they would not allow students with CHLs to carry in their classrooms.  Given that few of their students are over 21, that is a hollow threat.

 

John- They could be 18 if they were in the military.

John –

 

Susan- Rachel had this to say about her fellow texans.

Maybe all the anti-gun professors will leave and get replaced by a friendlier faculty.

I hoped that someone who has the credentials and education to be a professor would understand some basic logic, including but not limited to the following points:

-We’ve already had campus carry for almost 2 decades, just not inside the school buildings

-this new law does not allow 18 year old freshmen to have any more access to guns, nor does it permit them to use guns to murder professors

-someone intent on shooting a professor out of anger is not super likely to go to the trouble, expense, and time of obtaining a chl.

Unfortunately, UT Austin professors are baffled by such simple arguments.

 

Rob- Most of these professors are elitists.  A university president with either conviction or bravery would accept their resignation and say good riddance.  If you’re carrying in class, it is not a sin to tell a lie to someone who does not deserve to know the truth.

 

Gun Quotes- Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.  Martin Luther King, Jr.  I would add, do you love your family and community enough to protect them?

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Campus Carry in Texas

Campus Carry goes into effect on August 1. It will allow CHL holders to carry concealed inside buildings on campus. Schools in Texas are currently deciding what their policies will be, since they are allowed to restrict carry in areas of their choosing. Our activists are speaking up to try to prevent carry restrictions.

 

Guests:

Tina Maldonado, UT staff member and chapter facilitator of A Girl & A Gun

Brittany Sutton, student leader of Texas A&M Students for Concealed Carry on Campus

 

Action items:

  1. UT-Austin is conducting a survey. Please share it with your people who are connected to UT and ask them to fill it out. This includes students, staff, faculty, and also anybody in the community. Link: https://utexas.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9QrRbfdWtcjk0Bf
  2. Everybody in Texas knows somebody connected to A&M. Find those pro-gun students and tell them to join the facebook group Texas A&M Students for Concealed Carry on Campus. There will be public forums – make sure they go and speak up. Link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/tamusccc/
  3. Befriend a college student and take him or her shooting.

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Houston Deputy Shoots Home Invader

A Houston, Texas criminal made a very poor choice in the victim selection process. Behind Door #1 stood a Harris County Deputy Sheriff and his duty weapon. When his door was kicked down and the invader rushed into his home, the deputy fired. The suspect fled in a car likely driven by a second suspect. Because blood was found in the hallway, it is almost certain the Deputy wounded the invader. Area hospitals have been alerted to watch for a black male with a gunshot wound.


We note that the Deputy was in the same desperate situation that many normal homeowners are finding themselves. He relied on his weapon to save his life, as many of the other homeowners have done – and will do in the future. That’s certainly a common sense reason to own a firearm.  

 

Three Against One Turns Out Poorly For Home Invaders

A homeowner turned the tables on three home invaders – through the use of a firearm.  A Dallas-Fort Worth homeowner found himself under attack by three invaders. Their robbery and assault was going as planned until the homeowner was able to grab a gun. Neighbors heard the five shots that hit all three invaders. The criminals ran from the house and escaped in a car driven by an accomplice. The driver abandoned the car at an intersection, and the three wounded robbers were arrested and taken to a hospital. The feckless fourth remains at large.

 

Rob- Point shooting was taught at an NRA safety class.

John- look for one handed point shooting Col. Rex Applegate.

 

Husband Shoots From Behind a Robber
As they say: Location, Location, Location. An elderly Indianapolis couple is together today because the husband used the advantages of position, stealth and a firearm to stop a deadly attack.

The 75-year-old woman was at their property rental office when she found herself under the gun of a 27-year-old attacker. Her husband heard the commotion from the front office, entered the room from behind the attacker and saw the gun pointed at his wife’s head. The man describes his fear for her life and shooting into the robber’s back. When the criminal got up and pointed his gun again, the elderly man fired twice more. Those shots struck the thief in the head. The attacker is in critical condition in a local hospital. He has a long rap sheet with several outstanding warrants for his arrest.

 

Police will not charge the elderly man. A spokesman stated that if someone comes into your home and you’re in imminent fear of danger for your life, you have a right to protect yourself.

In such a deadly situation, an armed citizen is under no obligation to warn the attacker, nor chivalrously face him. The elderly man was completely justified in shooting the attacker in the back without warning. He rightly used every advantage he had in that deadly situation.

 

However, most firearm instructors advise to shoot until the threat stops. Allowing the criminal to regain his feet and point the gun again is not a good strategy. Many self defense instructors also believe that with a finger on the gun’s trigger, a central nervous system hit is best. For immediate incapacitation, without the reflexive tightening of the trigger finger, a shot to the brainstem, the medulla oblongata, is recommended. However, the citizen must be able to make the shot to a racquet ball sized target at the base of the brain. Education, training and practice are a must.  

This episode is just one more common sense reason to have a gun — and to know how to use it.  

 

Rob-

 

Another Craigslist Ambush

Police say at least two criminals were shot after a Craigslist ambush was foiled by an intended victim.
A father and son from Grand Rapids drove into Battle Creek, Michigan to buy a car. When they arrived, they were jumped by three robbers. The son, a concealed carry license holder, fired twice, hitting two of the alleged attackers. The third criminal is still on the loose. Because of the son’s action, neither father nor son were injured.  

 

It should come as no surprise that people with cash or valuables meeting anonymous strangers at an unfamiliar location are in a risky situation. Buyers and sellers should both take precautions. Many police departments are setting up Craigslist Transaction Zones outside of their stations. We urge our listeners to stay careful, observant, and prepared.     

 

Don’t Torque Off The Old Guy

“I wanted to shoot him really bad. I really wanted to shoot him”; said Old Guy Robert Hamm, who had his 10 AM nap interrupted by a man carrying an armful of his tools. “I just pointed the gun at him and told him I’d blow him in two if he moved.” The very expressive Old Guy made the thief lie on the floor until the Carter County, Kentucky Sheriff’s Department arrived. Hamm said he’d known the suspect from birth and he has a reputation for this sort of thing.

Unfortunately, the 75-year-old might get his shot, as the home-invader is still at large. The suspect was so intoxicated from pills and booze that he was taken to a hospital to detox. A day or so later, the thief checked himself out of the hospital — and disappeared. Hamm felt it’s inexcusable that a man who broke into his home carrying a knife was given a chance to walk away. “It made me madder than hell.” The Old Guy had predicted the legal system would let the burglar off lightly. “I’ve seen where they’ve turned people loose who’ve done it four or five times,” he said. Officials say the burglar could be held in contempt of court (ooooo!) since he didn’t turn himself in.

Hamm’s not overly concerned about a return visit. The Old Guy said, “I wish he would. I would finish the job.” The thief should know that you just Don’t Torque-Off The Old Guys. And you certainly don’t interrupt their naps.  

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Email #1

Subject: Guns in the cold

 

Apologies for the delay in sending this in. You had a guest on recently discussing the effects of extreme cold on the functioning of semiautomatic weapons. Immediately it made me remember the exploits of my “cousins” back in Finland during the Winter War with Russia at the outset of WW2. The winter of 39 was one of the coldest on record, so cold that the Baltic Sea froze ships in place. The Finns had to change how they handled the cleaning of their guns, adding gasoline to their gun oil for their rifles,  mainly Mosin Nagants.  For automatics and their artillery they used a mix of alcohol and glycerine to avoid the freeze. I’ll attach an image from William Trotters book Frozen Hell (an amazing read FYI).

 

As a side note, this would have been the practice of Simo Hyha during the war. Hyha is by far the highest numbered sniper in World history, especially confounding when you consider the short time span of his engagement. Also his weapon of choice was an iron sighted Mosin, scopes raised his head too high.

 

Love the show, keep it up.

 

Aaron

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Email from Bud with the Subject line Crazy Gun Studies

 

I happen to run across this interview today and couldn’t believe what this professor was stating.  I immediately posted it on Facebook, with a detailed overview and the links, to show to my pro-rights friends and followers.  I couldn’t locate it on Facebook, so I reposted it later in the day.  I think that I will post it daily and in different areas of Facebook and other social media sites to ensure that it is seen by many.

 

Here is my posting

 

Is anyone buying what this “Professor” is selling when it comes to CHL’s, guns and crime rates?  “There isn’t any correlation between concealed handgun license holders and crime” according to the professor and his colleagues at Texas A&M.   He also describes how they collected and formulated their data, which is drastically different than normal research performed by others.  You can listen to a short interview that the professor gave on Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at http://dfw.cbslocal.com/audio/minute-with-mitch.

 

Texas A&M Regents Professor Emeritus Dr. Charles Phillips states that he was not surprised by their findings.  He said a couple of things during this short interview that leads me to believe that he has an agenda in obtaining his results.  One is he states that “according to the NRA, if you don’t carry a weapon, you are a CHUMP”.  And secondly, “the NRA’s definition of a victim is someone who doesn’t own a gun.”  I’ve never heard anyone from the NRA state this and I’ve never seen it written on their website.  Maybe the Dr. can point this out or provide a link where I can find this information?

 

He states that their research shows that the number of CHL holders in Texas counties has a direct correlation with the number of firearm dealers in that county, but nothing due to crime rates.  CHL holders are very seldom convicted of crimes, but when they do happen they are big time serious crimes. He references previous studies that he or Texas A&M have done named “When CHL Holders Break Bad”.   In these studies they found:

  • There are very few convictions or occurrences of crimes by CHL holders
  • They are violent crimes
  • A firearm is usually involved
  • There is a death

 

He also states that “easy access to a means of deadly force means that it is likely to be used.”

 

Dr. Phillips cites 3 recent studies conducted by the American Journal of Public Health which conclude that more guns (he doesn’t state whether legal or illegal, and I have not read them yet) equal:

  • More police officers are killed
  • Higher rates of young male suicides
  • Guns are more likely to be used by, or on, another occupant of the home, rather than to protect you from an outsider or stranger (criminal).

 

The Dr. provides the following advice – “If you are thinking of buying a firearm for home defense, consider the following:

  • Guns in households are dangerous
  • It is more likely that GUN suicides will occur
  • Don’t believe that you are going to save yourself from, or during, a criminal encounter.”

 

Just for the record, I am biased on gun ownership, CHL holders and I’m a lifetime member of the NRA.

 

I hope that you guys can create a research topic on firearm studies and results in a near future podcast.  I would really like to hear someone have Dr. Phillips on their show to challenge him on his research tactics and conclusions. Maybe having Dr. John Lott on the show to discuss specific issues with the way that studies such as this one is slanted for certain results would also be very enlightening?  We all hear of different studies, with major differences in their results and are often left wondering who is right.

 

Keep up the good work on the Polite Society podcast.  I look forward to listening to it each week and I have even gone back and listened to the older podcasts to hear topics of the times and the fine DGU stories.

 

Thank you,

Bud

 

-John – Believe or not, I actually know Charles Phillips. Or did. He was an asst prof of political science at UNC-Chapel Hill when I was in grad school. He got there in about 1981 and left in 1987 when he didn’t get tenure. He was one of the young liberal professors. I didn’t know he had become a prof of public health.

 

Rob- I’ve read the studies.  They count a criminal bringing a gun on your property as if it was your gun… and therefore you had a gun on premises.

 

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Jacob emailed us a video of a hero who stepped in and ended up losing his life trying to help rescue a woman being threatened by a man with a gun

 

http://higherperspectives.com/homeless-man/?utm_source=cleo&utm_content=inf_10_34_2&ts_pid=2

 

This guy is a hero. Full stop. He made a risky move when he saw an opportunity, and it could have turned out very poorly, but I find it hard to fault a man who is so clearly willing to give his life for a stranger. He gets shot, mortally wounded, and continues fighting to subdue the attacker and save the victim. I hesitate to call him a victim in return, because I doubt he would want that – I think he knew the trade he was making and went in knowing he might not come out. I think it really drives home what Paul always says – weapons and tactical advantages might make defending yourself easier, but the fight is never over as long as you’re conscious and willing to fight back.

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William also emailed us.

 

Greetings All,

I’d sent this weeks ago but I am a world class master procrastinator. I’ll reference several shows.

You had referenced the wonderful NY trigger and kind of equated it to that of a double action revolver.

While that can be true it really depends on the revolver, specially the time frame of it’s design and build. My wife has an old Webley revolver made back in the early 1900’s. It was carried by her grandfather who served as a sheriff somewhere in West Texas. We don’t shoot it but the trigger pull is such that I’m tempted to use two fingers when I play with it. (Not very often due to its on hammer firing pin.) I suspect that is very close to the NY trigger. I hear the new S&W J-frames are as bad but haven’t pulled the trigger on one to see. On the other hand the K-frames made back in the 50’s and 60’s when the police were using them were very nice. Maybe 7 to 8 pounds, smooth and were a joy to shoot, if you used proper trigger technique. Still kicking myself for selling one that I had. And while python’s stack a bit differently I’ve heard few complaints about their triggers.

Next topic. Several time you, and those on other podcasts, seem to make a distinction between the police and civilians. Unless a police officer is also a member of the military they are also civilians. While that is nitpicking word usage we really need to be careful as those opposed to our views will use anything they can against us. Perhaps “private citizen” would be a better term to use for distinction.

Last topic for this email is the apparent misconception with regard to using a gun to protect property in Texas. In spite of what has been said Texans can no more use guns just to protect property than anyone else. We do however have a bit more leeway. As it was explained to me back when I took a concealed carry class in the 90’s. The teacher was a police officer and what he said summarized and in my words.

If I see someone in my workshop I can go out and confront him. However unless he has a weapon, picks up something to use as such, or makes a furtive movement I can’t just shoot him. I can however have a gun in my hand. At night things are a bit different because I can’t see as well. Does he have a weapon I’m not seeing? What during the day time might look innocent might look like a dangerous furtive motion at night. Is someone else hiding in the darkness. It all comes down to whether we think we are in mortal danger.

>From past episodes I know you will say that you shouldn’t go out and confront them. While that may be true it is a personal decision and realize that when people live in rural areas things are a bit different. That 911 call which may take 10 long minutes in town can take hours in the country. The last time I needed an officer’s assistance they had to patch me through to the responding officer so I could talk him in. Couldn’t find the place.

Either way, I for one, don’t want to just sit and watch while someone carries off all my stuff. I guess it boils down to the feeling that if something is worth having it is worth fighting for. It is a decision I’d just have to make at the time and the situation. If there is a team, they can take what they want. My life isn’t worth the risk.

 

Is a human life worth my table saw? I don’t know. Is the bad guy really human or a predatory animal? While legally human you have to wonder what will he do on his next job? I think we all would do what was necessary to stop him if he was stealing a firearm. It’s a very complex issue with lots of what ifs.

Enjoy your show. Keep up the good work or I’ll cut what I pay for your show. 8->

William

 

Rob- badged and unbadged civilians

Gary-

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I posted the links to the Gun Rights Policy Conference along with a list of the speakers.  I did that for each of the three segments we recorded.  I also wrote up a review of the conference.

 

After the recent murders in Oregon, we’ve heard the howls for more gun control.  The politicians and news media got me thinking, and I asked myself if gun control works.  We know it doesn’t work in schools, but I wondered if I was missing something, so I looked at the data from each of the 50 states.  I put the states in order based on their level of gun control, and then looked at the FBI data for the crime rates in each state.  I printed the data out as a graph so anyone can see it.  After looking at the results, I can say that gun control does not reduce violent crime.  The article is called “Does Gun Control Work”  I’ve seen several other authors write similar articles, so it is a good time to study that question.

 

This may sound simplistic to our long time listeners, but most people have not studied these issues at all.  They think violent crime has increased when violent crime has fallen since the early 1990s.  I want to thank our listeners for reading past the headlines and staying informed.

 

In another article I said gun-free zones and fatherless boys are killing us.  That was in the article called Liberal Politicians Blinded by Feel-Good Policy on Guns.

 

My articles are up at Ammoland and Clash Daily.  After the shooting in Oregon, I noticed I had 55 entries in my category called Public Violence.  You can find all of them on my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I’ve done a number of posts since GRPC but this is one I want to highlight. Dr. Carson said that if the Jews had not been disarmed it could have made a difference with regard to the Holocaust. He was correct and the mainstream media piled on trying to discredit his statements. They are trying to make out like he is a kook and trigger happy. Frankly, they are afraid of the truth. One need only listen to our friends in JPFO and read the writings of Stephen Halbrook to know that.

 

I will have an important post coming out on the 15th. It will be called Every Picture Tells A Story, Part 3. It will be in honor of Maine going live with Constitutional Carry on that day. It graphically shows the growth of freedom from 1986 through 2014.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1: 

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Interview Segment 1: Lance Reeter from www.theShootersHangout.com

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

 

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to episode 349 sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday, September 20th, 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Lance Reeter who started The Shooters Hangout.com

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll discuss a poll saying that registered voters don’t want any new gun laws.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our self-defense stories we find that it took the police over an hour to arrive .. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 349 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

John – I am still trying to get over this crud. However, I have brought in the big guns to clear it up before I leave for Phoenix – the high-powered cough syrup that pharmacists keep in a safe. Seems to be working. I am also working on what I plan to say in my presentation at GRPC. As the only person coming from new media, I see myself as representing all of us who blog or podcast. I only have five minutes and that can be a lot of time or not enough.  I’m open to suggestions.

 

Rob- Got my standard capacity magazines.  Nothing else.

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

rob

Paul – Sorry that I wasn’t on last weekend’s show, and sorry that it took so long to get the episode out. What usually releases Sunday evening didn’t release until six days later on Saturday afternoon. On Friday of last week I got the call that I needed to take a California run for a driver that couldn’t make the run that night. So on Sunday while everyone else was recording I was driving to make a Monday drop. After we finish tonight I get to tear down the studio and pack it up as we leave on Tuesday afternoon to start the drive to Phoenix.

Break

 

Seg 2- News

 

Poll show Registered Voters Resist Additional Gun Laws

This had to have hurt: A CNN/ ORC International poll shows that the nation’s registered voters are increasingly becoming concerned with gun rights as well as other internal issues. A significant majority of us now believe that gun laws are about right or too restrictive. The recent poll showed a loss of faith in gun control, as 56 percent of registered voters doubted more gun control “would be able to prevent those with mental health problems from buying guns” and 58 percent doubted more laws “would keep guns out of the hands of convicted criminals.”

(here, this will make it feel better.)

 

The above findings are a significant improvement over prior years. The difference is the ongoing, broad-based efforts of communication and education. Gun rights leaders, gun owners and activists, like our listeners should be proud of their success.  And mindful that there’s still so much to be done.  

 

John – I think people are seeing more restrictive gun laws don’t stop anything.

 

California Residents: “Attention Scum, You Loot We Shoot.”

When an out of control brush fire forced residents of Pope Valley, California to flee, they left behind a pointed message: “Attention Scum, You Loot  – We Shoot.” There have been many reports of looting with the 70,000 acre wildfire. Residents who were able to stay behind will be keeping their eyes open.

 

Only media, first responders, and those authorized by law enforcement are allowed to enter the area. However, tech-savvy looters are using social media to locate evacuated homes. Two were arrested with burned-out safes in their vehicle. When things get hot, it’s comforting to have some way of protecting yourself from those all too willing to take advantage of a crisis.  

The Obama Administration Is Doing Something Good On Guns
It’s probably just one more screw-up, but it does look like the Obama administration Is doing something right on guns. The U.S. Department of Justice granted $2.4 million for firearm-safety education and free gun locks through NSSF’s Project ChildSafe program.

Show friend Miguel Gonzalez saw the antis immediately lose their minds. The misnamed gun-banning group Committee to Stop Gun Violence (CSGV) took to Twitter to write a frothing damnation of the grant. They ignored the long running successes of Project ChildSafe and the NRA’s Eddie Eagle to complain about the NSSF. Apparently, the CSGV’s hatred of their blood enemy overwhelms their concern for the children. Shame on them.  

We haven’t been able to say this in a very long time, but Good on the Obama administration.

John – CSGV believes that the state should have the monopoly on violence.

Appeals Court Strikes Down Some DC Gun Laws  

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit ruled 2-1 that the city of Washington DC must allow gun owners to register several firearms at a time.  The city had claimed that honest gun owners only needed to register one gun a month.  The judge said “the suggestion that a gun trafficker would bring fewer guns into the District because he could not register more than one per month there lacks the support of experience and of common sense.”  This lawsuit was brought by Dick Heller, the same human rights advocate who was the title plaintiff in the original DC VS Heller case.  The court also said gun owners cannot be forced to re-register their firearms every three years, and the city cannot demand gun owners bring their guns to city hall, or pass a test on firearms laws.

 

Unfortunately, the court upheld other parts of the law, such as requiring that rifles and shotguns must be registered along with handguns. The ruling upheld that gun owners pay certain fees, complete a firearms safety training course, and be fingerprinted and photographed.

 

But wait.. there is more and we’ve saved the best news for last.   DC copied its oppressive firearms laws from the laws in New York City and Maryland.  That means we have regulations in New York and Maryland that have been found to be illegal in Washington, DC.  A federal district court will have to decide who is correct.

 

Rob- bullets- re I wonder about the bullets outlawed in DC. Mark Witaschek was found guilty of “attempted possession of unlawful ammunition” for having antique replica muzzleloader bullets.  Because they called it attempted possession, Witaschek was denied a jury trial.  DC says you can only have ammunition for guns you register.  DC also says you don’t have to register muzzle loading rifles, but you can still be convicted of owning muzzle loading ammunition.  That is insane bigotry against gun owners.  Anyone heard of a criminal using a muzzleloading firearm in the last hundred years?

 

DC still has their special need requirement before citizens can get a carry permit.  The city will be back in court.

 

John – I think the ruling Heller II should be helpful in the Wynn case or so I hear.

 

BREAK

 

Papa John’s Pizza Stands By Employe Who Used a Gun

Here something we can all sink our teeth into: A Decatur, Georgia Papa John’s Pizza franchise will stand behind their delivery driver who used a gun to defend her life. While Papa John’s prohibits their employees from carrying a gun, the woman will not be fired, but moved to another position within the firm.

The woman’s Sunday night pizza delivery turned into a violent ambush. A thug pulled the  driver from her car while another got behind the wheel. She was slammed to the ground and things were looking bleak for her. However, the woman had a pistol in her pocket; she fired from the ground, striking Donquaz Stevenson, 24, in the face.  Stevenson was captured hiding in a backyard, abandoned by his confederate escaping in the woman’s car. Authorities said the woman was protecting her life and there will be no charges.  

 

The job of delivery driver is one of the most dangerous in the States. We applaud the company’s recognition that the drivers do not have to die for Papa John.

 

Mmmmmm, Papa John’s Pizza

 

John – While I’m not a fan of Papa John’s pizza I may have to reconsider.

Paul

 

You don’t have to take a bullet for your boss

The Utah Supreme Court said you don’t have to choose between your life or your job.  Walmart fired six employees because they fought back against threatening customers.  Store policy says  employees must withdraw when threatened.  The court said that employees could be safer if the defended themselves.  Those situations included cases where they could not retreat or if they were immediately threatened with injury or death.  After the court’s ruling, those employees who sued for their jobs will have their case go to trial.

 

Rob- Walmart said everyone is safer if employees retreat.  They judge said everyone is safer if employees use their judgement and management does not second guess them.

Chicago mocked in the satire site “The Onion”

We talked about Chicago last week, the city where jobs, gun rights and honest citizens go to die?  Chicago’s reputation is so bad that the city was mocked at the online satire site “The Onion”.

 

Quote “Chicago officials unveiled Monday the city’s new gun-sharing service, “QuikShot,” which allows individuals to check out a loaded firearm for short periods of time.

The municipal initiative, through which users can rent semi-automatic pistols, shotguns and rifles at more than 250 self-service kiosks, has reportedly been designed to make firepower easily available to residents and tourists alike nearly everywhere within the city limits.”

 

Thanks to listener Greg for sending in the link.

 

Rob-  I know it is only average satire, but I think a business like that has possibilities in free america.

 

The Donald on Guns

We’re seeing position papers come out from the presidential candidates.  Trump posted his position on guns this week.  We summarize it.

 

Enforce laws on the books and put criminals in jail.

Stop ignoring mental illness and fix our broken mental health system.

Defend the rights of law abiding gun owners and stop gun bans and magazine bans.

Fix NICS so states report criminals and the mentally ill.

Form a national right to concealed carry.

Allow the military to carry on base.

 

Rob- I didn’t know The Donald was a listener to our podcast.

 

Gun Quote

I will fight to defend liberty because my family knows what it’s like to lose it. Ted Cruz

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with Lance Reeter from The Shooters Hangout.

 

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Segment 3 Interviews

Lance Reeter from www.theShootersHangout.com

I’m talking to Lance Reeter from San Diego, California.  Lance started TheShootersHangout.com  It is a regional online clearing house of shooting activities.  Lance also includes news articles of interest to most shooters.

Lance, how is it being a gun owner in Southern California.

 

Here in Krazyfornia gun owners have to deal with a lot of things that most of the rest of the country do not have to deal with.

 

Things such as:

Not having a concealed weapon permit in California?

Being limited to 10 rounds in your handgun AND your rifle?

Being required to have an asinine bullet button on your rifle?

Not being able to own a short-barreled rifle for home protection?

Being limited to buying only handguns on an approved CA roster?

Why is it that the rest of the country doesn’t have to worry about these backwards things, but here in Krazyfornia our gun rights are severely limited!

The reason is that individually we have no power against liberal politicians. By myself I cant change things, by yourself you cant change things. Together we can change everything!

So what sort of things have you done to change the firearms culture in San Diego?

 

How?

We do that the same way Colorado did it, by unseating and ending the careers of anti-2nd Amendment politicians! Thus putting career ending fear into all other politicians who even THINK about taking away the peoples gun rights!

We cannot sit and simply HOPE that things will get better. That tactic only results in more gun rights being taken away.

We cannot sit and HOPE someone else will change things for us, we get the same results.

We all have to work together, and together it is not hard work.

Usually all that it takes to make major changes is to shoot off an email or fax when a gun right bill is up for a vote. Or vote for the right candidate in a political race. Just that easy!

But we all have to be on the same page so that you know that an email needs to be sent out, or a certain candidate needs your vote.

That is where gun rights organizations like Gun Owners of California come in. They are a force multiplier buy leveraging the power of hundreds of thousands of gun owners in California. Also media organizations like the news site TheShootersHangout.com work hard to keep the gun owning public informed and educated on important issues.

On August 25th the shooting community came out to meet both of these organizations at a free social event 2nd Amendment Night!

They dont ask a lot from anyone, but if every gun owner is willing to carry one small cup of water then we can flood the political landscape in Krazyfornia and get our gun rights back!

Tuesday, August 25th the free news site TheShootersHangout.com and gun rights organization Gun Owners of California hosted a 2nd Amendment Night at a large microbrewery in San Diego county.

-There were drink specials, woodfired pizzas and BBQ.

-They also set up a mini gun show set up with 25 local firearms businesses setting up display tables, showing the products and services they provide.

400 people showed up for this event, including almost a dozen pro 2nd Amendment politicians.

This event was all about bringing the shooting community together to form a cohesive and powerful coalition that will be successful in restoring Californias gun rights. This coalition being made up of the shooting enthusiasts, manufacturers, retailers, instructors, gun rights organizations, the media, and pro 2nd Amendment politicians.

 

To follow the activities of Gun Owners of California and TheShootersHangout.com simply go to www.TheShootersHangout.com and subscribe to their free email newsletter.

 

Segment 4 DGUs


A Long Wait For 911

We covered this terrifying story last week: A Detroit woman had to shoot an invader who broke into her home for the second time in two years. What we didn’t know was that the woman had called 911 an hour before the shooting to plead for the police. She was told she would have to wait her turn. She huddled in fear until the violent felon finally found her. Fortunately, she had a firearm, and she was able to defend herself when her government would not.

When seconds count… the cops could be an hour, or a lifetime, away.  

John – Unlike the story we covered from Pope Valley, Detroit isn’t a rural area. It is a major US city.

Paul-  young lady from Oklahoma took an hour as well but she was in VERY rural Oklahoma

Gary –

 

Sometimes There’s a High Cost For Defending The Family

Nothing is certain in this life. Sometimes self-defense comes at a very high price. The very same price that not defending oneself might incur.  A Houston area man paid the ultimate price to protect the lives of his wife and daughter.  A price that all who carry concealed or keep a weapon for home defense should consider.  

 

A family’s trip to a Houston ice cream parlor was interrupted by an armed robber. The felon jumped into the vehicle and pointed a gun at the wife demanding “everything you have.” The husband struggled with the robber, enabling his wife to escape. However, their two year old daughter was still in the car, requiring the father to continue the struggle. The fight eventually went to guns, and both the father and the crook were mortally wounded. However, in the end, the daughter and wife were unhurt.  

We salute the young man. The epitaph “Died Defending His Family” is a harsh and bitter one, but very honorable.  

High Cost For Defending A Business Incorrectly

There can also be a price for doing things wrong. An Albuquerque, New Mexico used car dealership owner will likely pay a high price for defending his firm. He shot a burglar — when maybe he shouldn’t have.  

Jorge Mateo-Segura was tired of his dealership being burglarized. The police didn’t seem to do anything. So when the alarm went off once again, he told the alarm company not to send police and that he’d check it out himself.

Mateo-Segura found Joe Gutierrez breaking into cars at the dealership. The owner said he thought Gutierrez was reaching for a gun and he shot him. As part of their investigation, the police arrested Gutierrez, who had an outstanding warrant for breaking and entering. Mateo-Segura was cuffed for assault with a deadly weapon and battery with great bodily harm, citing his inconsistent and changing story. Gutierrez, who admitted to breaking into the cars, has filed a criminal complaint against the owner, saying he was running away when he was shot. A civil complaint is sure to follow.  

Self-defense law is clear, the victim cannot take the law into his own hands. If life is not endangered, the victim cannot employ deadly force. In many jurisdictions, the victim cannot be the aggressor. So if the criminal is running away, it’s Vaya con Dios. If Mr Mateo-Segura had taken some self-defense training, this would have been explained in significant detail. Enough, perhaps, to prevent him from throwing his life away.  

Gary –

John – Very rarely does state law allow you to use deadly force to defend property. The case of Joe Horn in Pasadena TX is the exception.

 

Pacifist Kills a  Home Invader

Reality came a-knockin’ in the early hours for a 59 year old New Mexico man. The avowed pacifist had his dog pepper-sprayed and a shot fired at him. He used his cane to knock the gun from the invader’s hand. And used that gun to fire the fatal shot into the suspect.  

Paid liar… excuse me, lawyer Richard Cravens said his client suffered a broken arm and cuts to his face. Other reports have the homeowner’s injuries as minor. My client is completely traumatized, Cravens said. He’s a pacifist and was forced to deal with an extremely violent situation. As author Robert Heinlein observed, “A pacifist male is a contradiction in terms. Most self-described pacifists are not pacific; they simply assume false colors. When the wind changes, they hoist the Jolly Roger.

 

By the way, police found found a large amount of cash and more than 200 marijuana plants in the home. No mention was made of a Jolly Roger.   

 

Five to One Odds
Five against one is horrendous odds, but it really helps if your opponents are Floridians. Five proto home-invaders staged themselves in a stairwell outside the target apartment. However, they did so with enough hubbub to attract the attention of the designated victim. So when they finally got organized and bum-rushed the door, they ran right down the barrel of a gun. The 18 year old female ringleader and three of her accomplices are in jail, charged with home-invasion with a firearm. Their point man is cooling his heels – permanently. The survivors will likely be charged with the felony murder of their accomplice

 

The Stupid is Strong With NBC

In our DGUs, much of our discussion is based on the broad range of advice from leading self-defense thinkers, authors and instructors. They’re people with literally centuries of cumulative experience; Mas Ayoob, Kathy Jackson, Michael Bane, Andrew Branca, etc. We try to stay well within the accepted span of the opinions of people who know the best.

 

NBC’s Today Show apparently felt none of these obligations to their viewers. In a September 8th scare piece on home invasions, contributor Jeff Rossen spoke with William Zeins, a retired NYPD detective and hostage negotiator. How his 22 years as a negotiator made him an expert on home invasions was never explained. Zeins has almost no Google or web presence, nor any books or articles we could find. He does, however, have a bullet-proof hair-spray pompadour.  

Zeins’ advice runs counter to much of the accepted advice for home invasions. Among other things, Zeins wants the victims to treat the invaders like royalty, sleep with bedroom doors open, run throughout the house gathering the family, and keep a can of wasp spray by the bed. There was no mention of training, awareness, on hardening the perimeter of the house, dealing with strangers at the door, hunkering down in defensible spaces, nor any any active defense with firearms or other weapons; with the exception of the long-discredited wasp spray.

In our opinion, The Today Show has put their viewers at significant risk with their poor advice. Bad show, NBC. Get professional trained people, and don’t listen to the mainstream media: they don’t know what they’re babbling about — and they likely don’t care.

 

John – Too bad another former NYPD officer has passed away. I doubt Jim Cirillo would have given the same advice.

Gary –

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Segment 5 Show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion : Beg and plead for emails.

 

Paul: Rob, what did you write this week at your SlowFacts blog?

 

Rob- I posted the second second part of a series on the virtue of self-defense.  Society often treats self-defense as a right we are barely willing to tolerate.  It should be more.  I have some ideas about what we can do today if we really value life and the virtue of self-defense.

 

First, if self-defense were a virtue, then a private school would include self-defense as a required element in the school curriculum.  If we’re going to value human life then we need to children to defend theirs.

 

The second point is that several anti-gun states have passed pre-emption laws so bigoted politicians can pass local gun-prohibition.  Those same laws could allow pro-rights politicians to advance the right of self-defense.. for example, by issuing non-resident permits.

 

There is lots more.  The series is called “Guerrilla Tactics in the Culture War”  It has been shared about 600 times on facebook.  You can find my articles at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my Slowfacts blog. That website is slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

John-  I did a post on Thursday about an attack on Sen. Rand Paul in which the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence referred to him as an “insurrectionist thug”. My response that it is Senator Insurrectionist Thug to the likes of them, thank you very much. I pointed out the hypocrisy of CSGV who would be all up in arms if we had called Josh Horwitz or Ladd Everitt a “Commie traitor” or “jack-booted, regime supporting authoritarianists,” At the end of the day, they are hypocrites who like to dish it out but can’t take it in return.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Lance Reeter for joining us today.  Rachel will be back with us next week.  We’ll all be at the Gun Rights Policy Conference in Phoenix.  Please come see us there, or watch us online at youtube dot com and polite society podcast dot com…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

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Episode 340 – Terrorism Strikes Our Marines

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest Ed Levine

Interview Segment 2: Guest Alexander Roubian

Interview Segment 3: Anette Wachter:

DGU Segment 1:

DGU Segment 2: 

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, July 19th, 2015 I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk about the military service members shot in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a new proposal by the Obama Administration to add even more people to the NICS prohibited list.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and I’ll be giving a tribute to one of my first and strongest shooting mentors, Michael Adam.

Anette: I’m Anette Wachter, the 30 cal gal, and I’m headed to Camp Perry for the world long range shooting championships

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about defending yourself as you sit in your car, so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 340 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Last Sunday I spoke on Armed American Radio with Mark Walters.  Tuesday morning I spoke on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady. We talked about the Kate Steinle murder in San Francisco.

 

I wrote and read the news for Kenn Blanchard on his Black man with a gun podcast.

 

Intro to guns for a neighbor.  Studied Louisiana firearms laws and started giving away my reference books on California gun law.

 

John – This week was taken up mostly with work. Nothing gun related except for blogging. Even though I had free time, I didn’t even practice dry firing. I’m a slug, what can I say. However, next weekend, I am going to demo day held by SilencerCo. It is part of their Quiet Riot Tour and we’ll get a chance to shoot a number of weapons including submachine guns and SBRs that have been suppressed.

 

I would also like to note with some sadness that one of my favorite podcasts has ridden off into the sunset. Of course I’m talking about the Gun Dudes. They have decided after 340 episodes to call it quits. I wish them the best.

 

Rachel- This week my shooting community was stunned by the sudden tragic passing of Michael Adam, also known as Scout. Michael was a long-time Appleseed Master Instructor and also the co-founder of Battle Road. He’s been a guest here on the podcast, talking about our history and heritage. He was one of the best people I’ve known, and he heavily influenced all his shooting students, not just in the world of shooting, but also in the way he saw them as people and gave them hope and light and encouragement that reached to the very depths of their souls.

 

I can’t even begin to describe the breadth and depth of his impact on those he came into contact with, both those from Texas and all over the US. I can only try to sum up briefly some of what he mean to me personally.

 

Michael Adam taught me to shoot; to be an instructor; to value, respect, and care for those around me; to work harder and go farther than I thought I ever could; to never stop learning.

 

He warmly welcomed everyone I brought out to Davilla for Appleseed and Battle Road courses with a rare kind of hospitality and care. He brought together a team I was honored to be a part of. He always had stories to share, always crazy ideas for another great Zombie Run obstacle that he’d try to get Mark to agree to smile emoticon, and always a heart bigger than I remembered the last time.

 

His sudden passing leaves an immense hole in many lives, and my life will not be the same without Scout around. But his life left a lasting impact on everyone around him, and my life is not the same because he was a part of it. For that, I am grateful.

 

Gary-

 

Anette-

 

Paul: New to me truck that I have for a few weeks. I am driving a Volvo, and it has enough room I can actually dry fire in the truck.

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

 

(Ed levine is waiting on skype!)

Break

 

Seg 2- News

John reads

Service Member Shootings in Chattanooga
The staff of the Polite Society Podcast would like to express our sincere condolences to the family and friends of the five Service members killed at the Navy Operations Support Center in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Godspeed Gunnery Sgt. Thomas J. Sullivan, Staff Sgt. David A. Wyatt, Sgt. Carson A. Holmquist, Lance Cpl. Squire K. Wells and Petty Officer 2nd Class Randall Smith. Rest in Peace. Well done.

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Our thoughts and prayers are also with the two men wounded in the attack. Another attack in this unacknowledged but escalating war on the United States.

Governor Asa Hutchinson quickly acted to allow Arkansas’ Service personnel a chance to fight back by authorizing Arkansas National Guard Adjutant General Mark Berry to arm full-time military personnel. Arkansas National Guard bases will no longer be gun-free zones. Hutchinson acted in the memory of Arkansas’ native son; Sgt. Wyatt, who was killed in the terror attack. Then, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott announced he’s authorizing Texas National Guard Adjutant Gen. John Nichols to arm troops at facilities across the state in response to the deadly shooting rampage in Tennessee. Now, Gov. Mary Fallin has authorized the state’s adjutant general to arm full-time Oklahoma National Guardsmen at military facilities in Oklahoma.  Where our military men and women remain disarmed by executive order, armed Americans have been spontaneously showing up to protect those who protect us.

It seems that common sense is staging a comeback in these troubling times.

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John – I just read this morning that Indiana Gov. Mike Pence has authorized the Indiana National Guard and their recruiting stations to have armed personnel.

Rob- https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/07/19/while-obama-looks-the-other-way-citizens-and-governors-defend-military/

 

Will obama make recruiting centers gun free zones?

 

A New Class of Prohibited Persons

The LA Times reported on Saturday morning that the Obama Administration will be proposing that Social Security recipients – retirees and those that are on disability – who need help managing their money will now be included in the FBI’s NICS check system as prohibited persons.

 

Given that there is no reliable way to identify those recipients who have mental conditions, Alzheimers, dementia, disabilities due to brain injuries, etc., the Social Security Administration is proposing to use the VA standard. This standard is that anyone who has trouble managing their own financial affairs and needs a fiduciary is a prohibited person and is reported to the FBI for inclusion into the NICS database.  These people would be included in the category “mentally defective.”

 

Mental health professionals, advocates for the disabled, and people who support gun rights say this is not right. “Someone can be incapable of managing their funds but not be dangerous, violent or unsafe,” said Dr. Marc Rosen, a Yale psychiatrist who has studied how veterans with mental health problems manage their money. “They are very different determinations.”

 

Comment – John – I am furious over this. My mom died after suffering Alzheimers for years and now my mother in law is suffering from it. This proposal robs them and others of what shred of dignity they have left. As for stopping so-called “gun violence”, when was the last time you heard Grandma involved in a mass murder.

 

Comment- Rachel – I often encounter people who think measures like these are a great step forward. I can often change their minds simply by asking the question: who gets to decide who’s not allowed to have a gun, and what gives them that right?

 

Last week, Maine Governor Paul LePage signed constitutional carry into law.  Maine is the eighth state that does not require a permit to carry concealed weapon.  Constitutional carry applies to all non-prohibited persons over 21 years of age, or over 18 and in the military.  Quoting one maine legislator, “You can open carry in Maine now. All this does is allow open carry gun owners to put on a jacket.”

BREAK

 

Gary-  We have two pieces of good news to report from Oregon. First, the Oregon Supreme court said that law enforcement could not routinely ask if a citizen had a firearm on their person without probable cause.  In this case, the citizen was stopped for J-walking.  Concealed carriers in Oregon do not have a duty to inform a police officer when they are stopped.

 

The second news story is that the anti-gun Democrat House Majority Leader Val Hoyle will no longer face a recall.  Pro-rights groups collected enough signatures to force Hoyle into a recall election, but the recall stopped when Hoyle announced she was leaving office.  Well done Oregon gun owners.   [We did this last week]

 

-Mayor Stephen Reed was indicted.  The Mayor of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania was charged with hundreds of counts covering some 17 separate charges of of theft, bribery and fraud.  Why would we cover the prosecution of a democrat mayor of Harrisburg, pennsylvania.  Mayor Reed is a proud member of Bloomberg’s Mayors against illegal guns.. also known as illegal mayors against guns.

 

Reed used the former Harrisburg funding Authority as a political ATM and withdrew hundreds of thousands of dollars charged to “administrative fees.”

The Mayor bribed members of Harrisburg City Council to pass questionable city bonds.

The Mayor is also charged with taking funds from the city Parking Authority, the Civic Baseball Club and the city School District.

 

With a record like that, Mayor Reed could run for office in Chicago or Trenton.. once he gets out of prison.

 

So far the decision as to whether Catholic churches in Chicago will open their doors to licensed concealed carry holders is left up to each church.  The Catholic Conference of Illinois says it is studying the matter.  Last week Chicago Archbishop Blase Cupich said he supports banning licensed concealed carry holder from entering his churches.

 

Quote “I know that in many dioceses there are policies that firearms are not permitted in churches, and I think that’s that’s only reasonable.. I surely would be supportive of not having any firearms in our churches.”  close quote.

 

From what I read, a Catholic church in Chicago will open its doors to a criminal illegal alien, but turn away a licensed concealed carry holder.  Hmm.

 

Comment – MDA of NJ is starting a Twitter campaign to get Pope Francis to endorse their campaign for “gunsense”.

 

Rob- Church liability?

 

-I wonder if Chicago Archbishop Cupich reads reports from John Lott’s Crime Prevention Research Center.  Last week Dr. Lott summarized recent trends in concealed carry, and here is the news we can use.

 

-You know that concealed carry is growing in popularity.  Since President Obama was elected, the number of concealed handgun permits has grown from just under 5 million to almost 13 million today.

-Not only that, but the rate of growth is increasing each year.  Last year the number of permits grew by a record 15% , and this is while more states adopt constitutional carry and don’t require permits.

-The murder rate fell by 25 percent during that same period showing that our guns don’t cause crime.

-Today, the national average is that one out of 19 adults has a permit to carry.

-In five states the licensed carry rate is more common than one in ten adults.

-In ten states, a permit is no longer required to carry almost everywhere.

-The face of concealed carry is changing.  Since 2007, permits for women have increased by 270% while permits have only grown by 156% for men.

Evidence suggests that permit holding by minorities is increasing more than twice as fast as for whites.

That is good news.

– As you would expect, the number of federal background checks set a new record in June.

 

Rachel- Gun Quotes-

Prohibiting the means of self-defense is clearly the same as prohibiting the right of self-defense.  Unknown Author

 

You know what is really (screwed) up? That Michael Bloomberg and Shannon Watts have more firepower with them than the Marines had in Chattanooga.

Miguel Gonzalez

 

So what symbol of hate needs to come down in Chicago to stop the violence there?

George Hill

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Ed Levine from DC carry-  Ed Levine talks about the murder of Kevin Joseph Sutherland on a Washington DC metro train.

What happened.

media coverage

gun free zone

stay of issuing cc permits in DC

 

Alexander Roubian from nj2as-

Sweeney recall

fear from NJ citizens

85 year old ww 2 vet

reason for fear- event was cancelled

 

gun ranges won’t support the recall

 

more signature gathering events

weekends

mid-week

 

protest ban a sweeney’s house

website- contact events: New Jersey Second Amendment Society

recall sweeney.com  http://www.recallsweeney.com/

 

Anette Wachter-

bolt action 308 155 gr, iron sight, sling support

1000 yds

read the mirage before trusting the flags (every 100 yds along the range)

rifle- rpi quad lock action, stock- jim cloward, kreeger barrel, warner sights.

single and team event, crew served weapon

Palma and Long distance

Palma requires a 3.5 lb trigger.

Precision rifle is more of a sniper layout, magazine feed and uses optics.

Leupold mark 6 (3 to 18 power)

mirage

coriolis effect

wind (flags, mirage drift, near wind, far wind0

elevation

spin drift

 

Rob- Segment 4 DGUs

 

Could you defend yourself as you sit in your car?

Our first story starts late at night in Nashville Tennessee.  A 74 man had just gotten into his car when two teens robbed him.  They took his cell phone and demanded he get out of his car.  The elderly man climbed from his car.. and drew his concealed carry pistol.  He shot one of the robbers but missed the second.  The second robber ran.  The elderly man held the wounded thief for police.  Police are looking for the thief who took the man’s cell phone, but police already determined the shooting was in self-defense.

 

Do you think you’re ready for a gunfight?

Four men pulled up to a convenience store.  The getaway driver stayed in the car while the other three put on masks, drew their guns and stormed into a Super K convenience store in Houston, Texas.  The thieves grabbed a customer and used her as a human shield.  The thieves demanded money from the clerk behind the counter.  Then they beat the clerk when he did not comply fast enough.  Another stove employee heard the robbery and walked into the store from the back room.  He drew his handgun and shot two of the three thieves.  All three fled to their waiting get-away car.  The two wounded criminals later died in a local hospital.  Police are still looking for one of the robbers.  The clerk required stitches to the back of his head.

 

The store owner said most of the employees are armed because the store had already been robbed within the previous month.  Are you ready to take on three armed men?  This store owner didn’t have a choice.

 

Red Molly
A Tallahassee couple’s waking nightmare was a man outside their bedroom door screaming I’m gonna kill you! I’m gonna kill you! She grabbed a phone; he grabbed a gun. The gun got to the scene a lifetime quicker than the cops. The wide-eyed, frothing invader was only five feet from the homeowner when he fired. Struck in the chest, Jarod Clemons, 27, staggered out the smashed front door and back into the night, where he died.

Mr Clemons had had a busy night. It started with a hit of a new street drug Molly, a synthetic variant of Ecstasy cut with unknown substances. It involved jumping from his girlfriend’s moving car, seeking help in a police station, breaking out of an ambulance on the way to a hospital, terrorizing a neighborhood, and finally throwing a planter through the front door of the house where he met his end.

 

In the past year, ERs have seen a sharp increase in patients taking Molly. “Somebody who comes in on Molly is actively psychotic. They’re usually very combative.” said an ER  physician. Our listeners should be aware of the growing threat of the many, new synthetic street drugs. The people they encounter may be impervious to pain, stronger, faster, more aggressive and far less rational than the ordinary criminal. This situation has reminded one cop of the bad old days of Angel Dust, only worse.

 

Man Stops a Firearm Robbery With Open Carry Weapon

“I was at the counter buying bullets with my cousin and I heard some loud bangs. I look up and they are just loading up weapons from the counter and then they run off and my instincts kicked in.” Joey Tapley followed the three robbers outside the store, pulled his open carry weapon and stopped one of the thieves. “I told him drop the gun man, mine is loaded, just drop the gun. We made eye contact for a second or two and he dropped two guns and ran,” Police later arrested the three teenagers and an unidentified woman.

Tapley carries a gun openly and says his effort wouldn’t have been possible without Governor Brownback’s approval of the open-carry law that took effect on July 1.

While we applaud the results of Tapley’s actions, we must point out that he took an awful lot upon himself. As no lives were being threatened, many self-defense instructors would advise the armed citizen not to get involved in these situation. The risks are huge. Things could have gone south very quickly, as they did in the following DGU:
Break
John- Customer Follows/ Shoots Robber
An early morning trip to a New Orleans gas station turned  into a fight for survival for an armed citizen attempting to stop a robbery suspect. The thief got the stations cash as well as the man’s wallet. The victim went to his car, retrieved a firearm, and confronted the escaping robber.  Shots were exchanged and the thief collapsed after running a few steps. The criminal is in critical condition and will be booked on two counts of armed robbery, possession of stolen property and possession of illegal narcotics if he survives.

Again in this instance, the armed citizen acted when there was no active threat to himself or others. He put his life, his future, his family and his finances all on the line. Many jurisdictions would not look kindly upon these actions. The man luckily survived the shootout. It’s unknown if he will have similar luck with the legal system.

 

For all of us that carry a firearm in public, it’s up to us to educate ourselves and decide in advance what we would do if we were confronted by a similar situation.

 

Vietnam Vet Shoots Robber
Sometimes, you just have to do what you have to do. A Vietnam Vet found himself in the proverbial box one afternoon. His trip to a Sycamore, Georgia gas station was altered with the words; “Put the money in the bag!” Don Rogers looked up and saw a man pointing a pistol at the clerk.

 

With another’s life and his own in obvious danger, Rogers acted. He pulled his CCW. “When I did, he looked over at me and turned my way and I fired a shot. And he grabbed his side and then I fired two more shots before he got out the door,” Rogers said.

 

A shaken Rogers related; “Well, I was hoping nothing like this would ever happen, but I was glad I had my weapon with me… I just did what I had to do.” The store clerk says Don Rogers may have saved his life. Turner County Sheriff Andy Hester observed; “These people that’ll go out and do this kind of stuff need to realize – it ain’t always gonna fare to their favor, just because they’re a predator.”

The predator and his female accomplice called 911 from three miles away. She’s in jail as an accessory to armed robbery, he’s in a Macon hospital in critical condition. A gas station clerk and Don Rogers are alive and well — he just did what he had to do.

 

A Robber’s Here, Daddy

Out of the mouths of babes… A three year old toddler startled his father with the words “A robber’s here, daddy.” Seconds later, the Eldorado, Ohio homeowner faced a masked, obscenity-shouting gunman. Forced to protect the five members of his family, the man shot once, hitting the intruder in the chest. Police found the robber unconscious in the home’s front hallway. He died at nearby hospital. The parents say they did not know the 22-year-old criminal.

Stay armed, stay alert, and stay safe out there – it’s an increasingly dangerous world.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

I wrote about Taxing Washington State Politicians.  The Seattle City Council wanted to tax law abiding gun owners because of the harm criminals do with guns.  I proposed a new tax on all politicians because of the harm some politicians have done.

 

I have a second series of posts wrote about armed citizens standing guard outside military recruiting centers and armories.  These articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland,  and at my blog, slow facts dot word press dot com

 

John do you want to mention anything off of No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

 

Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors has started a campaign to get Cabela’s to not release firearms purchases after the three day period if the NICS check comes back as “delay/hold”. As I said in my blog post, has anyone from that organization ever bought a firearm at Cabela’s? I have and they have the most comprehensive process for gun sales I’ve ever seen. It is computerized, it involves double checking entries, and it involves managers. Moreover, according to the FBI itself, a person is assumed to be eligible to purchase a firearm unless they find a disqualifying factor. A delay or hold means the FBI wants to check a little deeper but they haven’t found a reason to deny the person. Under Federal law, after three days, the dealer is allowed to transfer the firearm. It is not an “incomplete check” as stated by the gun prohibitionists.

 

You can find this post and many more at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank alexander roubian from the new Jersey second amendment society, Anette Wachter- the thirty call gal, and Ed Levian from dc carry for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 330 – We’re Back!

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 24th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with John Pierce about Washington DC gun owners taking a step toward concealed carry.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we finally get a chance to talk with our own Rachel Malone about her progress supporting open carry legislation in Texas.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s, a neighbor did more than be a good witness, he saved his neighbor next door from an ongoing attack and abduction. Of course the good guy had a firearm and a concealed carry permit.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 330 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

John – Last weekend, I went to a family reunion. I got to see cousins whom I hadn’t seen in 30 years or more. Afterwards, we took time to visit the cemetery in which my dad and my grandparents were buried. Being this is Memorial Day weekend, I want to recognize those who served our country and died in its service. I think it is important to remember these men and women. My dad didn’t die while on active duty but did have to take a medical retirement due to non-combat health issues. I do think he had a reduced life span due to the stresses of his service as have many other veterans.

 

On the firearms front, I added a Spanish FR-8 to the collection thanks to Ken S., a fellow NC gunny, I met through Facebook. The FR-8 is a Mauser 98 design adopted by Spain in the 1950s. Given they didn’t have enough CETME auto rifles, some Spanish soldiers were issued these rifles which had some of the same features as the CETME including being in the 7.62 Nato caliber.

 

Gary- Shot the AR and the Para with no malfunctions.

 

Rob– It has been a while.  It is good to hear you again.  I shot the chiappa rhino revolver when I was down in Louisiana.  I bought and shot the Browning 1911-22 for my students with small hands.  (use of external safties) Competed in two IDPA matches.  One with my 1911 and the second with my Glock 19.  That was fun and I learned a lot.  John, I added the slightly extended magazine release and slide release to my 19.  I like the combat sights.  Thank you for those suggestions.

 

Got my concealed carry permit from Arizona.  I also had two awards at a dinner we had with the San Diego Chapter of Gun Owners of California.  One was a service award.  They also had a shooting simulator at the banquet. I won a T-shirt for having the best time that hour.  In fact I was the third or fourth fastest shooter competing, but sometimes it pays to be lucky and shoot after the rush.

 

I was on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady.  I’ll be on his show again next Friday to talk about one of my blog articles.  I also finished a book by gun blogger Jim Curtis.  I finished the first book in his Grey Man series.

 

Susan-   Didn’t take the Beyond Concealed Carry class, but got to meet Bob and Ben and went to dinner. Getting ready for the renaissance festival.

 

Paul – Took the Beyond Concealed Carry enhanced class. Had a great time and and learned a bunch. I want to thank Bob Mayne and Ben Branam for coming up and teaching and everyone who attended.  (I want to talk a little point shooting here.)

 

Problems replacing the magazine while in the holster. If you have a failure don’t quit moving! (Jamming drill while in static line)

 

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Seg 2- News

 

-A federal judge said Washington DC is again breaking the law.  A year ago DC was told its laws denying concealed carry were unconstitutional.  Then the city passed permit regulations that were so restrictive only one person in four thousand would be granted a concealed carry permit.  Judge  Frederick J. Scullin Junior said that was probably illegal and issued an injunction against DC’s regulations.  Quoting Judge Scullin,

 

“The District of Columbia’s arbitrary ‘good reason’/’proper reason’ requirement.. goes far beyond establishing.. reasonable restrictions. Rather, for all intents and purposes, this requirement makes it impossible for the overwhelming majority of law-abiding citizens to obtain licenses to carry handguns in public for self-defense, thereby depriving them of their Second Amendment right to bear arms.” End quote

 

It is unusual for a judge to issue a preliminary injunction.  The case isn’t out of court yet, but it is a small step towards recognizing the right of self-defense for DC citizens.. and for visitors to DC.  http://freebeacon.com/issues/federal-judge-says-dc-gun-carry-law-is-unconstitutional/

DC Police chief Cathy Lanier said of the ruling “It’s not a huge impact for us. We haven’t had a huge number of applicants,” Chief Lanier said during an interview Tuesday on NewsTalk with Bruce Depuyt. “Our residents have been pretty clear this is not something that they wanted. A very small number of D.C. residents have applied for concealed carry.”

 

Rob- people are the same.

 

-Besides hearing cases for the district of columbia, Judge Scullin hears cases for the northern district of New York.  Before he became a lawyer and a judge, Judge Scullin served active duty with the United States Army as a paratrooper, airborne ranger, and as an infantry commander with the 173rd Airborne Brigade in the Republic of Vietnam.  What do you think Judge Scullin might do to the New York SAFE act and the concealed carry laws in New York City?

 

-We have another court case to talk about.  The US Supreme Court in an unanimous decision said someone convicted of a crime may sell their guns to a third party so long as the accused never takes possession or control of the firearms.  The case started when a border patrol agent was convicted of smuggling drugs.  The FBI seized the agents guns, and then refused to sell them to a third party.  The court said the FBI acted illegally and that they must release the firearms for sale or transfer.  I guess some parts of the government have to obey the law after all.

http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/breaking-supreme-court-issues-decision-on-felons-gun-rights/

 

-We received news that United Parcel Service recently changed its policies.  UPS will no longer ship silencers.. even to FFL licensees.  This has always struck me as bizarre.  The US outlaws the same mufflers that are required for hunting in other countries.  We restrict mufflers that are sold over the counter in Europe.  Until our government comes to its senses, check how you ship your silencers.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/ups-refuses-to-ship-firearms-suppressors-used-for-hearing-protection/#axzz3aMQOUmRf

 

-We’ve seen some state legislatures pass new firearms restrictions.  That is why we have to ask if background checks work at all?  Last week was national law enforcement week.  Of all the officers shot and killed last year, half of them were shot by felons who were prohibited from having a firearm.  The criminals used stolen guns so the thugs never went through a background check.  Criminals simply don’t obey the law.  If background checks don’t stop criminals, then who is inconvenienced and perhaps deterred from buying a firearm?  Gun laws only inconvenience honest gun owners.  Is that failure a flaw in the law.. or is it a feature that was designed in from the start?

http://www.examiner.com/article/question-for-antis-how-do-you-background-checks-on-stolen-guns

 

Gary- I can hear it now.  Some fool is saying we should pass a law requiring criminals to obey the law.

Rob- The anti-rights politicians want to leave my family at risk so that crime pays.. and then the politicians want the police to fight crime.

 

-We have another story about a proposed gun law that won’t work.  New Jersey Representative Bonnie Watson Coleman is 70 years old.  She is a Democrat and was elected last year.  She introduced a bill in congress to restrict the sale of ammunition online.  The bill requires you to buy ammunition from federally licensed ammunition dealers.  It requires these dealers to confirm the identify of their customers with a photo identification.  It also requires the dealers to tell the US attorney general if anyone purchases more than 1,000 rounds within five consecutive days.

 

Rob- I typically order large lots of ammunition to reduce their shipping costs.  Do I become a terrorist of the month?

 

This bill will do nothing to stop crime or terrorism.   A terrorist can simply buy 100 rounds a day for days on end.. or buy from several different distributors.  In addition, our borders are wide open and millions of people and millions of pounds of drugs cross the border each year.  Smuggling ammunition to criminals would never be noticed.  Congresswoman Coleman’s bill has not chance of passage, but it will earn her campaign dollars from Bloomberg.

http://bearingarms.com/new-jersey-democrat-pushes-federal-ammunition-registration-scheme/

 

Rob- Could Obama impose this with an executive order?

 

Break –  I want to run the GRNC audio here  Let’s talk a bit about it before we run it.

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Democrats Urge Background Checks on All Guns Sold At Gun Shows

Some of Bloomberg’s other useful idiots have reintroduced the Gun Show Loophole Closing Act. This old bill once again claims to close the nonexistent gun show loophole by requiring background checks on all gun purchases. However, this bill hides a devious twist: it requires the transfer to be reported to the US Attorney General. That’s the office once controlled by Eric Holder, now under Loretta Lynch, that has become one of the most politicized and lawless of the federal government.

 

This bill, like the Jersey Democrat’s bill to create a database of ammunition purchasers, is part of the push by anti-gun Democrats to identify the armed citizen. The reasons behind their efforts must be chilling for those that still believe in the Bill of Rights. Please contact your Representative and urge a no vote on this insanity.

 

John – I’m ashamed to say Carolyn Maloney is a NC native.

 

-Our friend Jeff Knox pointed out that the impossible has happened.  The media tells us that gun owners are both dangerous AND impotent.  We’re called dangerous gun nuts who could kill hundreds of people.  We’re also told that a citizen with a discretely carried handgun is powerless to stop a violent criminal or terrorist.  Jeff points out where the impossible happens time and again.  It happened in Garland, and Chicago, and at the New Life Church in Colorado, and at dozens of other examples of firearms used for self-defense.  It IS possible to stop violent criminals, stop terrorists and stop deranged individuals bent on hurting innocent people.  That is to meet the attacker with deadly force. While a handgun is not the best option in a pitched gun battle, there’s an old saying that the best gun in a gunfight is the one you have, because the gun you don’t have is not going to do you any good.   Jeff’s article is up at World Net Daily.  The link is in our show notes.  http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/more-fairytales-guns-used-to-save-lives/#29JOXC3y88wISmvk.99

 

-Some of the media understands firearms.  Author Katie Pavlich writes at Town Hall.  Katie reports on a very liberal Texas woman who bought a gun.  The Texas lady made her choice to own a  gun because of two factors: Personal security and fun.  The liberal Texan had five burglaries at her home.  The break ins cost more than money; they stole her piece of mind.  To quote her, I would wake each time a squirrel ran the perimeter of my backyard fence, convinced someone was coming for me. My dreams were all of victimization, or revenge.  Close quote.

 

Then she bought a gun, and everything changed. First, she was shamed by her fellow liberals when they found out she was a gun owner.  Second, she also felt safe living in her home again.  The gun resting on her nightstand became her sleep aid.  We could have told her, but I glad she learned before she was injured.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/05/22/a-liberal-woman-admits-she-has-a-gun-and-its-awesome-n2002120

 

Gary- This is the power of taking someone shooting.  Their own experience pushes away the media myths.

Rob- I’m interested that her liberal tolerant friends wouldn’t tolerate her owning a gun.

 

Feral Youth

A Brooklyn McDonald’s was the scene of an attack that is unfortunately becoming too common. A pack of youths turned on a man trying to break up a fight between two girls. To shouts of KILL HIM!, twenty to forty school-aged teens beat and kicked the man, putting him into the hospital with life-threatening injuries. Several McDonald’s employees and another man were also assaulted. The attack was recorded by a boy shouting “Kill him right now!” and laughing. He posted the scene on Facebook, where it went viral.

No arrests have been made. Community activists are, of course, appalled, as required by their trade.  A Brooklyn mother said she’s disgusted and scared for her children. “To see something like that … it’s scary.”

It is scary – especially to someone who may be faced with a pack of these feral youths. Be aware, plan ahead – and avoid places where these types of kids congregate.

 

-Here is some good news from Oklahoma.  The legislature recently passed a law allowing trained school staff to carry on campus.  The bill’s sponsor was Representative Jeff Coody.  He said, “..the thinking has always been that if we eliminate guns, it makes it a safer place. The only problem is you cannot eliminate those (people) who are not willing to comply with the law. A gun-free zone is a target(…), a soft target.”  Representative Coody’s bill was supported by the Professional Oklahoma Educators.  These educators said the bill quote “(gives) options to school districts to protect their students.We cannot play games anymore. These are the lives of our children.” close quote.  The bill passed in the Oklahoma Senate by a vote of 40 to 5 and it passed the House by a vote of 82 to 12  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/21/oklahoma-legalizes-arming-teachers-and-staff-on-school-campuses/

 

Rob-  That is great news because of the reason they passed the bill.

Paul- It sounds like Oklahoma is catching up with Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, South Dakota and Wisconsin.

 

-There is more good news from Minnesota.  Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton signed several pro-rights bills into law.  At first the governor threatened not to sign these bills.  These bills had bipartisan support and the governor signed them.

 

  • Minnesota now recognizes concealed carry permits from several other states.  It now has reciprocity with 15 other states up from only 4 states.  That includes North Dakota citizens with a class-one permit.
  • They legalized firearms mufflers so gun owners can both own mufflers and use them for hunting or sport shooting.
  • They allow carry permit holders to bring handguns into the state Capitol area without requesting permission in advance.  In this case the Capital included a ten block by ten block area, but not anymore.
  • These new laws restricted the government’s ability to seize firearms from the public after a state emergency is declared.  This limits the ability of the police to seize firearms unless the person is arrested … and an arrest requires probable cause.
  • They allowed the purchase of long guns from any state.

Congratulations to Minnesota gun owners and the MInnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance.  Well done. http://www.keyc.com/story/29135382/gov-dayton-signs-public-safety-bill-containing-controversial-gun-provisions

 

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-A similar law passed last week in Florida.  Florida Governor Rick Scott signed a bill allowing Florida residents to carry concealed firearms –without a permit– during an emergency evacuation.  This permitless carry lasts for 48 hours. The 48-hour period may be extended per the governor.

 

-Laws matter.  Chicago politicians created gun-free zones.  Chicago politicians created drug prohibition.  Chicago politicians crushed industry with high taxes and regulations.  That is a well known recipe for disaster.  49 people were shot last weekend in Chicago.  I’m sorry. http://gunsnfreedom.com/gun-control-fail-chicago-had-49-shot-over-past-weekend/5138

 

-We have two more judicial rulings to report.  The first said that legal open carry is not probable cause for a police officer to make an arrest.  The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that open carry is not justification for an officer to stop, arrest, identify and question an individual.  The judge went further.  He said that the officer’s qualified immunity did not extend to detaining an individual who was lawfully open carrying a firearm.  That means officers can be sued and they are personally liable for court costs and damages.  That decision, if it stands, would put some teeth into the law protecting firearms owners.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-bernick/federal-appeals-court-to_b_7284562.html

 

-Listener Anthony Lucafo emailed us the link for this story. A 5th grader is in a bit of trouble in his New Jersey public school. It seems that he brought some ammunition to school. Ammunition for a NERF gun.  While pulling a late slip out of his pocket a foam projectile designed to be fired from a Nerf gun fell to the floor in front of a teacher. This violated the school’s zero tolerance policy for weapons. However as the late Billy Mays would say “but wait theres more!” our young nerf gunslinger had MODIFIED the ammunition! Our young nerf marksman had stuck a toothpick into the round so that it would stick when he fired the round towards the ground! That made the nerf ammo now a “self contained weapon” by the school’s definition. Of course the school immediately moved to expel the obviously dangerous young man, but eventually decided that a 5 day in-school suspension would suffice along with a mark on the student’s “permanent record”

 

Paul – zero tolerance means zero intelligence. It is the single most lazy way to administrate any group.

 

-Let’s end the news on a positive note.  A New Jersey Appellate court ruled that cities in New Jersey may not require added forms from firearm applicants beyond the forms that the state requires.  This is the third such decision from the New Jersey appellate court.  I hope we can now prosecute government officials who unlawfully harass New Jersey firearms applicants with additional paperwork.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/no-added-gun-forms-courts-slaps-down-nj-towns/#axzz3a9uSbGwI

 

Gun Quotes

One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Martin Luther King, Junior, in his letter from Birmingham Jail

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.  We have interviews with Rachel Malone and John Pierce coming up.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Rachel Malone– Licensed open carry passed in both the Texas House and Texas Senate.  Then the senate passed the house bill.  This was the bill Rachel was working on for the last four years.  The Senate passed an amendment so open carry is not probable cause.  One concern was racial profiling of open carriers.

Does it include a provision that removes qualified immunity if a police officer arrests someone who is openly carrying?

This open carry bill may require confirmation in the Texas House.

Thank Don Huffines.  Tell him we have his back.

The bill would take effect 1 Jan 2016.

Some Senators will take credit, but will deny they let the bill sit.

They will claim that open carry barely passed, so constitutional carry is out of reach.  We’ll bring constitutional carry when the legislature meets again in two years.

 

Rachel has been working with her younger brothers and homeschooling them.  She has been busy with 40 hours of music rehearsal.  Summer break starts in a few weeks.

Rachel missed the zombie run.  She hopes to run it in the fall.

 

John Pierce on DC ruling

The law offices of John Pierce

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

So You Woke Up Stupid This Morning?

“Honestly: That is one less guy I got to worry about bothering my mom when she’s out grocery shopping,” That’s how an Atlanta resident summed up his use of a firearm to stop a robbery.  He had pulled into a store’s parking space when a scruffy 61-year-old man slipped into the passenger seat and announced the car-jacking. The victim pulled his firearm and held the perp facedown on the asphalt until the police arrived, all the while laying down a line of smack talk. Our favorite: “So you woke up stupid this morning?”  When police arrived, you can see the victim wave them over and put his gun down. The police officer shakes his hand before slapping the cuffs on the suspect.

This textbook, and stylish, DGU was recorded on several cell phones; it’s the 21st Century after all. We add our commendations to this everyday hero – he’s a good son.

 

Armed robber changed his mind and wished concealed carrier a good day.

-A 49 year old concealed carrier had finished his dialysis appointment at a doctor’s office and was on his way to his car. A young man came out of the woods near the clarkston michigan doctors office carrying a revolver and demanded the concealed carrier’s wallet. at this point the concealed carrier drew his own gun and asked the 20 year old hispanic male “do you really want to do this?” The would be armed robber told his intended victim to “have a nice day”, then turned and ran back into the woods.

 

-A Pennsylvania woman was abducted and assaulted by her ex-boyfriend for over 20 hours.  The woman escaped and ran outside at about 10 in the morning.  Fortunately, neighbors heard the victim scream when she was attacked again in her backyard.  Rather than simply be a good witness, one neighbor grabbed his handgun and stopped the attack.  Neighbors moved the victim to the front yard to wait for an ambulance.  The attacker was held at gunpoint until police arrived.  The attacker was charged with Criminal Trespass, burglary, and Attempted Homicide.  The gun owner said he would do the same thing again in a heartbeat with no second thoughts and no reservations.  He has his concealed carry permit.

http://bearingarms.com/concealed-carrier-rescues-hostage-captures-naked-attacker/

 

-A man broke into a Memphis home at two in the morning.  The family woke up when they heard breaking glass.  The homeowner grabbed his gun.  When he found the intruder standing inside his home, the homeowner shot the intruder in the head.  The intruder was taken to the hospital in critical condition.  Police have not filed any charges against the homeowner.

http://bearingarms.com/memphis-home-invader-stopped-homeowner-gun/

 

-We’ve all heard the joke about criminals failing the victim selection process.  Well this is one of those stories.  Two men tried his carjack a doctor in Jackson, Mississippi.  The doctor was getting ready to attend a shooting competition and was loading up his truck.  The doctor was taken by surprise.  He was ordered at gunpoint to drive to a nearby bank and withdraw some cash.  The doctor complied, but was able to grab one of his handguns.  He shot and killed one of his attackers.  The other attacker fled on foot.  The shooter had the presence of mind to neither pursue a fleeing criminal nor shoot him as he fled.

http://www.kingfish1935.blogspot.com/2015/05/thugs-try-to-rob-competitive-shooter.html

 

Another Triumph For California’s Legal System

What can you say to a Redding, California woman who was forced to defend herself against a likely armed sex offender, freshly paroled from a weapons charge, wearing a GPS bracelet, probably high on an illegal substance, who had just escaped from deputies holding him at gunpoint? You can only shake your head at the awesome effectiveness of the California legal system.

 

Parolee Dillon Carmelo escaped deputies by reaching into his clothing as if he was going for a gun and fleeing into the neighborhood’s backyards. The deputies informed those nearby of the dangerous felon on the loose. Against the advice of California’s elite, resident Jennifer Doolittle armed herself and went into the backyard to get her dogs inside. There, she was confronted by Carmelo, who popped over a fence and moved toward her acting as if he was reaching for a weapon.

 

Doolittle fired several times, striking Carmelo and stopping the attack. Carmelo continued to struggle until subdued by a Sheriff’s K-9. It is not known at this time if the woman will be charged. A civil suit is almost a certainty.

Several of the Polite Society’s staff can attest to California’s collapsing catch-and-release legal system. It’s why we urge every citizen to be armed, trained and aware. It’s also a big part of why California wants desperately to disarm it’s citizens.

 

Break

 

Don’t torque off the old guy part 1
A 77 year old homeowner was in the shower recently when he heard strange noises. He got out of the shower to see what was going on and came face to face with 2 burglars. Apparently our guud guy had a handgun close to him in the shower as he exchanged gunfire with the burglars killing one and the other was sent to the hospital, but the condition of the second bad guy wasn’t known. One boy next door became concerned and called his father. The youngster told his dad that there were police everywhere and he had locked himself in the house. Another neighbor told reporters that she had recently been a victim of a burglary and had lost $80,000 in jewelry. The neighbor said of the homeowner who defended himself  “I think he’s 100 percent correct,They went to burglarize his house. And it’s not the first time he was burglarized.”

 

Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guys (Plural/ Nonsexist) part 2

Once again, we bring you a Tale of the Old Guys. Showing that it’s important to work together in a marriage as well as in a self defense situation, a couple of retirees successfully fought off two armed attacker at their Thomaston, Georgia home. Only a month before they had endured a home-invasion where they were tied-up and robbed at gunpoint. It seems that assault only made them mad — and ready for the next attack.

 

When the wife opened the garage door in the morning, the same two suspects ran at her from the nearby woods, waiving handguns. The Old Gal drew her own gun and whistled a couple of rounds at the suspects. The Old Guy ran to the porch and added his own fire against the suddenly unenthusiastic robbers, who reversed course with all due haste.

Kashif Mohammad, 20, and Daitrelle Saffo, 21, were arrested exiting the woods. They are facing a slew of felony charges, including Armed Robbery and Kidnapping. It is certain they’ll remember one critically important lesson: Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy — and Gal.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion No email this week, but I ran across this story that is somewhat related to our struggle. What if you called 911 and no one came AT ALL? http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=29060#.VWICK0_BzGf

 

A truck driver is involved in a  sideswipe accident. gets the truck under control and rolls to a stop almost a mile down the road. He calls 911 and reports the incident and complains of heart attack like symptoms No one responded to his 911 call. Nine hours later he is found by a driver that works for the same company.

 

-Also before we go to blog posts I want to encourage our listeners to call their Senators and DEMAND that they let the current version of the so-called patriot act die. The current funding for Big Brother is listening is ending at the end of this month and RINO Mitch Mcconnell is fighting hard for reauthorization. There has never been any evidence that any of this debacle has helped to apprehend 1 single terrorist, or jaywalker for that manner. It is time for it to go call (202) 224-3121, you don’t even have to know who your senators are, just the state you live in. (if you don’t know your state might we suggest that you live in the state of confusion and you can see the doc for meds for that.)

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

1- I talked about the twenty thousand gun laws that don’t work, and why Politicians want to write more of them.  Politicians sell themselves in the media as in order to get campaign cash.  https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/prohibiting-firearms-for-political-profit/

 

2- Gary, you had your mom on the show.  She and Doris Montrose inspired me to write an article.  Supporting the right of armed self-defense is not a black and white issue.  You don’t jump from hating every gun owner to lobbying for firearms rights.  I counted about twenty steps in between.  Changing someone’s mind is moving them by one small step.. but first you have to listen to them to know what they believe. https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/how-to-change-minds-about-self-defense/

 

The articles are up at Clash Daily, Ammoland and at slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog  you would like to talk about?

 

Since the last show, the issue of ridding North Carolina of our pistol purchase permit system has started to attract a lot of attention. The gun prohibitionists along with the NC Sheriffs Association are fighting to keep the law. Bloomberg is funding a media campaign to keep the law. I wrote a somewhat provocative post entitled, “If you support a law based on racism, are you a racist?” There is no question that the law mandating pistol permits was drafted with the intent to keep African-Americans unarmed and subservient to the white, segregationist Democrat power structure of NC. My conclusion is that supporting a law based upon such heinous intent does make you at least a little bit racist.

 

My blog can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Rachel and JOhn Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 328 – Laura Carno and Jeff Street

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 3 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with Laura Carno about her post, “no, I will not shut my pie hole”.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Baltimore riots.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a homeowner uses a handgun to defend themselves after their home was burglarised for the second time in a week…  so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 328 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Gary- Waiting for my AR to arrive by mail.  Added lights to my safe.  I’m going to hear Sonal Shah speak.

 

John – I had a hearing exam on Monday. I have tinnitis or ring in the ears that is due to exposure to loud noise when I was younger. I did something stupid but that was common back then – I shot without hearing protection. Now I have both ringing in the ears and high frequency drop out. I’m sure there will come a time when I need hearing aids. In other firearm related personal news, I finally weighed the lightweight AR I built. Without optics and a backup rear sight, it comes in at 5 lb, 12 oz. With those attached, I’m still only at 6 lbs 2.7 oz. I just need to find time to try it at the range! I’m also gathering parts now to make a retro style AR. This AR building is addictive!

 

Rob- I was in Los Angeles earlier this week, so I dropped in and heard Alan Korwin speak.  Alan owns and runs Bloomfield press.  He wrote many books and has a great blog called page nine.  Doris started the group, Children of Jewish Holocaust Survivors and the group Jews can shoot.  Alan spoke about what to do after you’ve defended yourself.  That was interesting, and the audience was interesting.  Also, Doris gave me a great hat.  I shot IDPA and mentored another group of doctors for their first shots.  Someone brought a FN 5.7 and they let me shoot it.  It is loud, but doesn’t have much recoil.

 

Paul – RANT

 

I need to go off a bit here. I had a friend and dedicated fighter for our rights post a video to my wall asking if he knew who the person was that was in the video that he posted. The video was of a single person doing an “open carry” demonstration of the sidewalk in front of the federal courthouse in Sioux Falls. The video came in 2 parts and never showed the face of the person who recorded the video. I did not recognize the voice of the person and so I replied and said that I didn’t although the kid was a bit of a ummm jerk. I said worse on Facebook, but I keep the show very family friendly.

 

It turns out that I do know the person. They replied on Facebook and let’s just say that the butthurt was strong in that one.

 

Let me take just a minute here and let me let you know how I feel about open carry, although for many of you this may be a bit of going over well trodden ground I think that it is important.  Actually let me read a post I made to facebook and I will continue on after that.

 

I support your Second Amendment rights, I believe that you have the right to posses and peacefully use any weapon that you can afford. This includes everything from the 10-22 to the F-22. I also support your 1st Amendment rights to say whatever you feel, to worship whatever God you believe in and associate with whomever you chose to.

My hobby and part time side business ( Polite Society Podcast) relies and advocates heavily on both of those rights guarantees the Constitution offers.

However if you are one of those that are being a jerk about your 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, doing some of the myriad of things that hurt us. Things such as open carrying in a manner that causes public alarm; carrying a rifle in a place of business (some leniency given to those in Texas and other states where open carry of handguns isn’t allowed);, or making videos while egging police on just to hopefully make a “YouTube celebrity” out of yourself while using a fake name you are hurting us badly.

I use my real name both here on Facebook and on my show. I don’t hide behind some made up moniker. If you cannot put your real name to what you are doing, if you would not be proud to have your social media posts displayed to your parents, to your preacher, to your doctor or to your grandchildren (whether or not they agree with you) then PLEASE for the love of God DON’T post them!

A lot of people have “friended” me on Facebook because of the show. Thank you to all of you who have, even if I haven’t met you personally or interacted with you often. If you think that I might be referring to you in this post then it’s possible that I am. I beg of you to please look at what you are doing and think to yourself “Is what I am doing going to alarm someone who may be neutral to our fight and make them think that the other side may be right?” (end of FB post)

 

I support your right to open carry. I open carry my handgun while at home. I have participated in organized open carry walks. If done correctly open carry can be a powerful tool to help us. If done incorrectly it can be a tool for Bloomberg’s demanding mommies, CSGV (coalition to stop gun violence, and the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence? )and others to point and say “look at the loonies that they have! Even worse, it can make the average citizen who votes, and is neutral to our side turn away from us.

 

While you are open carrying EVERYTHING that you do is magnified. If you are polite and respectful, if you are dressed well and well groomed, and if you inspire confidence in those around you that helps us.

 

If however you are a jerk to those that you interact with, if you are untidy or unkempt, or most importantly if you instil fear you are doing more damage than demanding mommies or the brady bunch ever has.

 

Again I ask, if your actions could be seen to intimidate PLEASE think twice about doing them.

 

Rob- We are ambassadors.  Are you a good ambassador who will appeal to the average citizen?

 

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Paul- Leading the news we have conflicting statements from Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake.

 

The mayor said the following in a press conference when things started to get ugly in her city. (Audio clip #1)

 

After getting some criticism she then decided that she never actually said that at all, and that we were just twisting her words. (audio clip #2)

 

-Paul- this is classic Progressivism. She is going on as if nothing ever happened. Making it up as she goes along. I would suggest Mayor Rawlings-Blake that you mark the block that your personal residence is on as a place set aside as room to destroy That sounds like a better balance to me than places where hard working people are trying to make a living.

 

We are going to take a quick side trip here. while perusing Facebook one evening I came across a video that puts the Police violence thing in perspective. Here is some audio. (Audio clip #3)

 

-Paul-  A couple of things about this caught my attention. First that they looked not just at deaths but at all charges of excessive force by officers, Second that they broke things down by contact.

I am one that doesn’t respond well to percentages and so did some of my own math on the figures they presented. If 2000 people are contacted in one form or another by police 1 person will file an excessive force complaint. Of all the complaints only 8 percent had merit, so if police were to contact 25000 people on average only 1 complaint of excessive force would have any merit. That is a DAMN good track record.

 

Rob- there are 20 gang murders for every gun related homicide that involves a policeman.  The vast majority of the police involved shootings are ruled to be justified by self-defense.  That puts violence into perspective.

 

Rob-  Taxes and regulations in Baltimore drove businesses out of the city.  Unemployment jumped.  Addiction rose to record levels.  Fatherlessness rose as young men could not find jobs and start families.  People who still had jobs left Baltimore because of increasing crime.  The price and quality of housing crashed, just as it has in Detroit.  While all of this was happening, the city, state and federal governments poured extraordinary amounts of money into housing projects and schools.  Now a black drug addict whose mother was a drug addict was injured by a mostly black police force controlled by black politicians.  People rioted and burned stores owned by koreans. Government policies killed Baltimore.. and now they are looking for someone to blame.  The politicians will blame racism.. and propose the police wear body cameras.

 

Let’s also ask every elected official to wear body cameras too.. with another camera placed in their office.  That is leading by example.  Anything else is politics as usual.

 

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John-

Waiting periods

There are several myths about gun control.  The first is that waiting periods save lives.  A waiting period is the delay between purchasing a firearm and taking possession of it,.  It has been called a “cooling off” period that could stop impulsive actions.  That doesn’t make sense if the buyer already owns a gun.  That is what a Federal Judge said in California, but California politicians appealed the judge’s decision anyway.

 

One Wisconsin lawmaker finally had the courage to state the obvious about waiting periods.  Wisconsin Senator Van Wanggaard served as a traffic investigator and graduated from the Racine police academy.  He said waiting periods don’t work.  Studies backed him up.  Waiting periods don’t change the overall suicide rate or homicide rate.  Some studies found a decrease in violence while other studies found an increase in violence associated with waiting periods.  The results hinge on a critical distinction, are we disarming a violent criminal.  or a potential victim.  The proposed change in Wisconsin law eliminating waiting periods goes to the Wisconsin Assembly and then, hopefully, to Governor Scott Walker for his signature.

 

Background checks fail again

Background checks are another gun-control myth.  Making honest gun owners re-register their firearms is somehow going to stop criminals from getting a gun.  Would it stop car theft if we had to go to the department of motor vehicles so I could drive your car?  Mandatory background checks are being proposed in the Oregon legislature.  Background checks are already mandatory in Washington state so we can see if they are effective.

 

Despite their gun prohibitions, the impossible happened this week in Thurston, Washington.  A high school student brought a gun to school and started shooting.  He was tackled by a teacher, and no one was injured.

The student was sixteen years old, so couldn’t own a gun.

The student was on probation, so couldn’t touch a gun.

Thank goodness Washington State has mandatory background checks so the student couldn’t take someone elses gun.. but he did.  Detectives say the student wanted to commit suicide by cop.

It looks like gun prohibition doesn’t work, but that won’t stop bigoted anti-rights politicians.

 

– In New York state, any pretext is good enough for another firearms restriction.   Now an Amish man is suing New York because of state gun laws.  New York requires a background check whenever guns change hands.  The background check requires a photo identification card.  The Amish don’t have photo identification, so now they can’t buy or sell guns in New York.  Tell me again who new york laws are protecting us from?? from the Amish?

 

– In Vermont, Bloomberg’s anti gun groups were pushing for mandatory background checks each time you took possession of a gun.  They spent almost 138 thousand dollars promoting the legislation.  Pro-rights groups spent only 20 cents for every bloomberg dollar.. and the pro-rights groups won.  There are no mandatory background checks in Vermont.  That took work from vermont gun owners.  Well done!

 

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Rob- 7th Circuit Upholds Assault Weapon Ban

On Monday, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals upheld an Illinois city’s ban on so called assault weapons and high capacity magazines. This stunning ruling specifically dismisses the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and recent case law and instead relies upon the presumed feelings of the public. The majority of the three judge panel held that “if a ban on semi‐automatic guns and large‐capacity magazines reduces the perceived risk from a mass shooting, and makes the public feel safer as a result, that’s a substantial benefit.” In other words, if some the public can be convinced that the ban could make them safer, it’s OK; facts be damned. It’s hard to imagine a more incoherent legal justification.

In his dissenting opinion, the third panel judge wrote that the ruling is “at odds with the central holdings of Heller and McDonald: that the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home.”

 

This issue will almost certainly go before the Supreme Court at some time. For the citizens of Highland Park, Illinois, and of this nation, we can only hope it’s soon.

 

John – Why do I have the song Feelings running through head. “Feelings, nothing but feelings, oh, oh, oh”

 

Gary- Two  judges side with the politicians to give them more power.  Judges say all it takes is a good sounding headline to justify disarming the public.  The uninformed public will “feel safer” after they read the political spin.

 

Anti-Gun Researcher Refuses to Debate Dr. John Lott

The research director for Bloomberg’s astroturfing Everytown for Gun Safety, recently refused to debate gun law researcher John Lott. While we can’t blame Bloomberg’s mouthpiece for being chicken, after all, Dr. Lott is a force of nature with facts and statistics, his refusal to talk face-to-face is telling: antis just don’t have the facts on their side.

 

C-SPAN invited both gentlemen to discussed a recent Pew Research Center study that found more Americans now think protecting gun rights is more important than controlling gun ownership. Everytown’s Mr. Alcorn declined  to appear at the same time as  Dr. Lott, resorting to personal attacks to explain his refusal. Alcorn was allowed to appear after Dr. Lott, completely eliminating every possibility of give and take.

 

Lott said he was disappointed someone from Everytown wasn’t willing to discuss the Pew Center’s findings. The Pew study showed Americans who had once worried about crime and favored strict gun control, now wanted no more laws or even to loosen gun restrictions. “In short, we are at a moment when most Americans believe crime rates are rising and when most believe gun ownership — not gun control — makes people safer,” wrote Pew’s Andrew Kohut. “Every country in the world that’s banned guns has seen an increase in murder rates,” said Dr. Lott, president of the Crime Prevention Research Center and the author of “More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws.” Lott said that with more stories about defensive gun use being distributed in the new media, people are catching up to research on the issue. He reiterated that predictions of gun control advocates have never come to pass.

 

Spreading the word of lawful defensive gun uses is a big part of what we do here at the Polite Society Podcast.  It seems we are helping to make a difference.

 

Michael Moore Relies on the 2nd Amendment?

Big screen fabulist, virulent anti-gunner, noted hypocrite and left-wing barking moonbat Michael Moore may be supporting Michelle Obama’s claim that chronic obesity can lead to early-onset senility.

 

Very early Thursday morning, the big chunk took to Twitter to demand the immediate release of every African-American in prison for drug or nonviolent offenses. For his next belly-flop into insanity, Moore imperiously demanded that all police instantly disarm. Oddly enough, he justified that stupidity by noting; “We have a 1/4 billion 2nd amendment guns in our homes 4 protection.” Although true, that’s very odd reasoning from someone who wants the public’s firearms seized at gunpoint by the police. However, apparently even that blind pig can find an acorn of 2nd Amendment truth once in a while.

Go to bed Mikey, you’re drunk on yourself.

 

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Gun Quotes

It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. Upton Sinclair

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Jeff Street teaches firearms safety at his church.

First Baptist Church Naples

3000 Orange Blossom Drive

Naples FL 34109

 

Do you charge? Free.  Can’t charge when we use the church buildings.

How long have you been teaching at the church? About 2 years

How many attend the classes? 10 – 45

What is the goal of the class? This class is a great refresher for those current firearm owners and a wonderful introduction for those who are seeking information to start their firearm journey.

Emphasis on Dry Practice Training drills you can do at home to improve your fundamental skills including but not limited to grip, stance, trigger press. We also work on safe handling while drawing from holster, strong hand to off hand gun transitioning, etc. We also discuss personal defense ideas and issues. Mindset, The Law and Physical Skills.

What equipment do you use?  Blue Guns, SiRT Laser Pistols, Train Safe Barrel Blocks, Clearly marked dummy ammo (no live ammo is allowed in the classroom), LASR software from centroloutions using Infrared cameras and infrared SiRT pistols.

What is the overall reception to the training? They like it very much.  They also come to our live fire classes at LouLand Gun Club.  We put on Scoot and Shoot events at least twice a month.  The scoot and shoot is competition with yourself.  Some come to improve their competitive skills and some come to practice their self-defense skills. Some do both on the same day.

What are your credentials?  We have instructor certifications from; the NRA, Defense Training International John Farnam, RangeMaster Tom Givens, and Gabe Suarez.

 

Contact Jeff Street at Step by Step Gun Training

http://stepbystepguntraining.com/drypracticeclass/

 

Laura Carno’s blog post on legislative stategy-  No, I Will Not “Shut My Pie Hole!

Laura’s other websites are-

I am created equal.

Laura Carno.com

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

(WHY DO WE WANT TO LIST EXAMPLES OF WHAT NOT TO DO? -ROB)
I see it as part of our charter to teach and inform. I think it is an important story, as long as this type of issue is not overdone. However, I could certainly be wrong – I’m married after all.  😉 Dan

 

XX- The news media won’t call it a defensive gun use, but we saw it in Ferguson, Missouri.  We saw it again this week in Baltimore, Maryland as well.  We saw stores smashed, looted and burned during riots.  We also saw store owners protect their businesses by standing there with a firearm.. and with no shots fired.

A Baltimore Sun reporter left his Crips gang member protection and was maced by a looter demanding his cell phone. The attack was stopped when the reporter ran to a store owner with a shotgun.  More guns, less crime.

 

Tennessee Homeowner Shoots Robber

An East Knox County, Tennessee homeowner was startled awake early Wednesday morning by the sound of breaking glass. From his bedroom, the homeowner saw an intruder climbing through a living room window. The owner fired once, and the robber fell backwards. Police found the perpetrator dead on the porch.

The late James Melvin Vinson had accumulated an extensive criminal record in his 40 years, including multiple theft and drug charges. At the time of his final crime, he had two outstanding warrants; for theft and for violating the parole that put him back on the street once again. Mr Vinson was the very definition of an outlaw; largely unrestrained by the legal system.

 

The homeowner is not expected to face charges. Under Tennessee’s Stand Your Ground law the man was within his rights when he used a gun to defend his home and his family.

 

Misuse of a Citizen’s Firearm

With rights come responsibility. A North Carolina man failed to use his rights responsibly in a shoplifting incident at a store. A man ran from the Beasley Power Equipment store with a pilfered a chainsaw. The thief jumped into a vehicle with two others while being pursued by the store owner’s son. They sped off after the son brandished the pistol and ordered them to stop. Two shots were fired at the departing vehicle and the driver was hit in the head. The store employee reported those facts to a 911 operator, along with an admission that he had seen no firearm. Their conversation, of course, was being recorded.

 

Our DGUs usually show the proper lifesaving use of firearms. For educational purposes, we do comment when their use could have been better. As such, we must point out when someone is legally and morally wrong when employing a weapon.

 

Most states hold that firearms can only be used in the defense of one’s self and others. A fleeing thief is simply not a danger to the CCW holder. Only a few states allow deadly force in defense of property; North Carolina is probably not one of them. In any case, a chainsaw cannot be equated with a human life. The pistol owner simply should not have fired in that situation. He should have been a good witness and reported the license plate numbers to the police.

The driver has been hospitalized in critical condition, his two confederates charged with felony theft. At this time, the shooter is under investigation by the district attorney. The shooter and his business will almost certainly face civil lawsuits. Self-defense classes like Massad Ayoob’s MAG 20 would have would have certainly made this mistake less likely.

 

Homeowner Shoots Two in Second Home Invasion in a Week

In the warped world of the criminal, they can come to feel they own something merely by desiring it. This can lead to repeated, seemingly improbable, attempts to possess the thing. This may be what happened to a California homeowner this week.

 

In the normally peaceful Pittsburg, California neighborhood, a homeowner shot and killed two home invaders Friday evening. This was the second time in a week that their home had been a burglarized. In the earlier incident, four people had been arrested. At this time, it is not known if the two deceased were somehow related to the earlier incident.

 

A neighbor wondered if there was a the connection between the two home invasions. “There’s no way of knowing,” he said. “They broke in and ransacked the place, and maybe they saw something they liked and came back.”  “If I was in (the homeowners) position, I would have done the same thing,” he said.

 

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Paul-

Salt Lake City Warning Shot

A his and her burglary team broke into a pricy Salt Lake City area home Monday morning. Alerted by the family’s dog, a neighbor called 911 and the homeowner grabbed a gun. At one point, the homeowner fired a warning shot, chasing the duo out of the house – and straight into the arms of the arriving police. Authorities report that the suspects have previous criminal histories.

 

Warning shots are rarely a good idea. The self-defense use of a firearm is usually limited to life or death situations. If the victim has time for a warning shot, almost by definition the situation cannot be that critical. That bullet has to go somewhere, perhaps threatening someone in the home or some distance away. And the victim has thrown away a significant portion of their life-saving device’s resources.

 

Quality formal training may have kept the homeowner from making this possible error. That being said, we commend the homeowner, the neighbor and police for the happy resolution to this home invasion.

 

Store manager shoots would-be robber in East Houston

The manager of an East Houston Cash-n-Carry was assaulted in the front door of his store Thursday morning. A robber put a gun to his back and demanded his cash. It apparently wasn’t the manager’s first rodeo, as underneath the package in his arm – he held a legally concealed handgun.

 

In that extreme situation, the manager used his gun and put two or three shots into the chest of the armed robber. The robber died at the hospital. An accomplice may have fled the scene in a getaway vehicle.

 

The robber paid the ultimate price for nothing, as the manager’s bag didn’t contain the hoped-for cash, instead only toiletries. To the good, the manager was able to stop the theft of his own life through his foresight and preparedness.

 

Utah CCW Stops Carjacking

 

A Utah CCW holder stopped a carjacking at a Macy’s in Orem, Utah on Saturday and ended a crime spree. The unidentified CCW holder, a 31 y.o. male,  had been shopping and came out into the parking lot to see a woman screaming as she was being pulled out of her Mercedes. The carjacker had stolen a truck earlier and was “trading cars”. The CCW holder ordered the carjacker out of the car. The carjacker then lunged at the man and tried to take his firearm upon which he was shot and killed. Police are treating this as a legitimate use of deadly force and are not charging the CCW holder. The carjacker, whose name is being withheld pending an autopsy, was wanted on several felony warrants. Police are searching for two other accomplices who fled.

 

Houston CCW Stops Carjacking

Wednesday evening a man was sitting in his vehicle in downtown Houston when two men asked for a ride. The motorist naturally refused and the two men left, but they came back. At gunpoint, the driver was ordered to kneel behind the car. When both men got in, the victim drew his legally possessed CCW and fired at the driver. The 30 year old carjacker died a short distance away, his accomplice escaped on foot.

 

The case will be referred to the grand jury to determine what, if any, charges will be filed.

 

Man Shoots Attacker With Attacker’s Gun

And lastly, a hapless New Orleans thief was shot with his own gun after his armed robbery attempt went dramatically sideways. The intended victim was having none of the assault, won the struggle for the gun, and immediately employed it in self-defense.

Good on the victim for turning the tables on the feckless thief. However, it’s usually best if you bring your own concealed weapon, rather than relying on the perpetrator to supply one for you.

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

We got this comment on our website and we thought that we would share it.

 

Great show. I was surprised to hear that more firearm genre radio programs could not be recalled, so allowe me. There is the “Lock Stock and Daria” out of Rhode Island (local), “On Target” broadcasting out of Illinois (local), Georgia Carry.org out of Atlanta (Local), now these are just off the top of my head. But you all are correct Gun Talk was the first nationally (key word) syndicated radio show and it was decades before they were challenged. As with National Media’s bias towards gun self defense stories, what they are not realizing or unwilling to realize is that local media has to report such events in their news cycle. What happens is average Joe one night watches the local channel 5 and learns of a single mother with two kids suffer a home invasion possibly ending with death, the following week average Joe watches a story of an 85 year pistol packing Ethel putting six in a bad guy saving her sick husband’s life. Now average Joe starts to think, and begins to talk to friends and so on and so on, the whole time national media sit in their New York bubble believing they are controlling the message, and fortunately with new gun friendly media that is no longer a true statement.

Keep pumping them out, I’ll keep listening.

 

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I asked the question, How Does a Business Survive a Riot?  We saw it in Los Angeles.  We saw it in Ferguson.  Now we’ve seen it in Baltimore.  I have answers from Charles Heller, Dave Cole, Miguel Gonzalez, George Hill, Stephen Wegener, Ben Branam and Layla Sumners.  You can find their answers at SlowFacts dot wordpress dot com

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

 

I just want to quickly mention two posts that are related. First, I posted about Lonnie and Sandy Phillips. They were the plaintiffs who are now liable for attorneys’ fee for having sued Lucky Gunner and Sportsman’s Guide. We expressed some sympathy for them in the podcast last week. Turns out they are Brady Campaign employees and have been since 2013. Second, I did post the first of my Bad Apple Lawyer series featuring Prof. David Kairys who developed the public nuisance theory that was used in many municipal lawsuits against gun makers.

 

Both of these and more can be found at my blog. The address is onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 277 – Frank Fiamingo and Ebola Prepping

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday October 19, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and I think Cook County, IL is trying to create a gun registry

Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we have a discussion about gas masks and surgical masks

Gary D: so climb aboard

John: strap in

Gary H: and hang on!

Paul: Episode 277 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I spent yesterday morning at a gun auction. It was the auction of a guy’s accumulated gun collection. It was mostly hunting guns. The thing I found most interesting is what people would bid up. For example, a Chinese SKS that reputedly was a Vietnam War bring-back with no proof or documentation went for $900. I could see this with proof but otherwise it is just another Norinco SKS that should have sold for $3-400.

Paul – Not much gun related. No recent donations to our GoFundMe page to get equipment for streaming GRPC 2015, but we still have about 11 months to go. I want to say a public thank you to both John and Gary D for making contributions. Lots of planning for next year. confirmed final plans for Citizen First Response with Chaz Murray, Ken Kowalski and Jon Hodoway. Also going to have Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced and Cornered Cat classes next summer.  Add that to doing Shot Show this winter and GRPC next fall and trying to arrange going up to the great white north to do the Slam Fire Radio Charity shoot in June and it is looking to be a REALLY busy year next year.

Gary D. – I got to shoot the new guns, both very nice. Because they will eventually be PDFs I will shoot some PD ammo through them before the get put into service in that capacity. I wanted to do a quick follow up from the end of the last show. Rob and Rachel were talking about situational awareness and coincidently at around the same time I was talking to a student about exactly the same thing. This student has his permit but chooses not to carry, and I was explaining Jeff Cooper’s levels of awareness and how if we walk around in condition white we aren’t able to control the escalation of our awareness. We just get surprised by a bad guy and are thrown into condition black. If you are unfamiliar check out the link in the show notes, and be aware whether you are carrying or not.

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John –Politico is reporting that in true Rahm Emanuel fashion a group of Democrats are using the current Ebola scare to try and push for confirmation of Dr. Vivek Murthy as Surgeon General. You may recall that Murthy has been held up in the past because of his rather extreme anti-gun views. The Democrats making the most noise about this are members of the house, and since the Senate confirms appointees we don’t have a lot to worry about on this subject right now, but we will keep an eye on it.

Paul comment – a surgeon general has recently been a cheerleader with no real power and as such wouldn’t help much with Ebola, and if the position ever got real power we definitely would have issues with someone like Murthy.

Paul – Shocking as it may sound, CNN actually ran a story illustrating a young shooter in a positive light. They profiled Shyanne Roberts, age 10, of Franklinville, NJ who is a 3-Gun and USPSA competitor. Last year, she was second highest woman in the New Jersey Ruger Rimfire Challenge. Shyanne started learning the rules of gun safety at age 5 from her dad Dan and began shooting at age 6. She says, “”I want to be an inspiration to other kids and be a leader. Kids and guns don’t always mean bad things happen.”

Gary D – Cook County, IL started a gun registry and I missed it.

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Paul  -A few episodes back we mentioned that GOA hadn’t yet released their 2014 voter guide. Well it is out now. It seems to us  that it is a little late in the game for this to come out with the elections being just a few weeks out, and early voting already started in several states, but better late than never.

John – Comment – While I generally agree with the grades, it could be better organized. For example, in South Carolina which has both US Senate seats up for grabs, all the candidates are lumped together instead of by each contest.

Gary -We are mostly pro law enforcement here, and actively look for places to promote positive police stories, and it could be said that when speaking of the rank and file officers of the Asheville NC police department that that is the case here. wlos.com is reporting that 44 of the rank and file officers have signed a petition that states they believe that their chief should step down immediately. There are allegations of corruption as well as complaints about short staffing and mandatory overtime.

John – I live in the Asheville area. Chief William Anderson doesn’t take responsibility for when things go wrong. An example recently was a number of radar guns having outdated certification which led to dismissal of a number of speeding tickets. Anderson denied knowing about it which is either a failure of communication or a failure of management.

John -While the last story was about average cops doing the right thing, the next story comes right out of the you have got to be kidding me department. A 5 year old in Alabama was kicked out of class and was forced to sign a contract stating that she will tell an adult before she commits suicide or murders someone. Her offense – holding a crayon and stating “pew pew.” The girl’s mother was understandably outraged and infuriated when the 5 year old was forced to sign the contract without her parent’s knowledge or consent.

Paul comment – in most states a contract signed by someone under 18 years old is unenforceable. In a few instances the person requiring the signature can face criminal penalties.

Gary –MyFoxDC is reporting that DC police chief Cathy Lanier thinks that people who have a carry permit should be able to be arrested without warning if they are carrying in the area of a Presidential motorcade. She thinks that a policemen giving a warning and asking the person to leave the area is too large a burden. “The fact that the event is a gun-free event and is both posted and advertised should be sufficient notice,” she said. She also stated that it was difficult to provide advance notice of motorcades carrying dignitaries through city streets and said it was reasonable for gun owners in the vicinity of such events to be personally warned.

John -Miguel over at the Gun Free Zone Blog had a post this week discussing the story that South Carolina prosecutors are no longer allowing the victims of domestic violence to use the “stand your ground” defense.  Here is a quote from that post from a South Carolina prosecutor. “(The Legislature’s) intent … was to provide law-abiding citizens greater protections from external threats in the form of intruders and attackers,” prosecutor Culver Kidd told the Post and Courier. “We believe that applying the statute so that its reach into our homes and personal relationships is inconsistent with (its) wording and intent.”  So now you have a law that protects you in your home… except when it doesn’t.  Also you can defend yourself… except when you can’t.

Paul (I REALLY want to do this story) – long time listeners to the show know that I have had my issues with Robert Farago and The Truth About Guns. However the story that he posted Thursday has a lot  of people up in arms. The police chief of Watervliet NY (water FLEET) is asking for Facebook usernames AND PASSWORDS in pistol permit applications. Robert called the police department and had a conversation with Chief Ron Boisvert. The following is directly from the post

The Chief told TTAG that the sheet shouldn’t have been in the application packet – and won’t be in future. “It’s for internal use only,” he said.

Yes, well, the Chief said he uses the form to gather the applicant’s Facebook deets during a face-to-face interview. Why make note of the password? “We don’t,” he insisted. “We ask the applicant to log on to Facebook in front of us.” So the Chief scrolls through the applicant’s Facebook page searching for . . . ?

“Pages they’re looked at, friends – anything that reflects on the character of the applicant.” I pointed out that there’s a big difference [in terms of privacy] between viewing a Facebook page as a friend and viewing it as the owner. The Chief wasn’t bothered by the distinction.

When I pointed out that checking someone’s Facebook page (in front of them no less) was unnecessary, unfair and unconstitutional, the Chief said “I’m just the middleman here” and “it is what it is.” He said the information gets sent to a Superior Court judge who makes the final decision. The Facebook search is, in fact, the judiciary’s idea. I mean, requirement.

I asked the Chief what would happen if someone refused to log on to their Facebook account. “I’d just note the fact and send it to the Judges.”

Gun Quotes

Paul – We put out a post asking for gun quotes this morning on our Facebook page and we got a LOT of them. So many of them are good so we will be using them over the next several shows. Today’s quote was submitted by Kathy Jackson, (yes THAT Kathy Jackson)  “The way you get shot by a concealed weapons permit holder is you point a gun at him.” – Spartanburg County Sheriff Chuck Wright

Hang on everybody, Our interview with Frank Fiamingo is up right after this.

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Paul – Our first DGU comes from a Montana newspaper and we just LOVE the headline: Failed fumbler fears fleeing

Quoting directly from the article

ROLLINS – It appears alleged burglar Cole J. Johnson was more afraid of the neighbor holding a loaded gun on him than he was of the four cops who showed up to arrest him.

Under the barrel of his neighbor, Johnson, 20, of Lake County, remained still, caught in the act of burglarizing a Rollins-area home in North County. But when the police arrived, Lake County Undersheriff Dan Yonkin said Johnson tried to run.

The incident started about 10 p.m., Oct. 9, when a woman called 9-1-1 to report that her husband and two sons went to her neighbor’s house with a loaded gun, interrupted an attempted burglary and were holding the suspect at gunpoint.

While three Lake County Sheriff’s deputies and a Montana Highway Patrol trooper responded to the scene, another neighbor called dispatch to report they heard gunfire. The first 911 caller suspected Johnson was highly intoxicated, according to the call.

Johnson hid in a dark place inside the house where the gun-toting neighbor could not see him, emergency dispatchers said. But the gun-toting neighbor already saw the broken window and knew he was hiding.

“Don’t move or I’ll shoot,” the neighbor said. According to Yonkin, the gun-holding neighbor was just trying to scare the failed burglar, shot a warning into the air and held him at gunpoint until cops arrived.

When officers arrived on scene they noted that Johnson was “very drunk,” and had an active warrant out for his arrest and he tried to flee when taken into custody, Yonkin said.

Johnson was cited for attempted burglary and felony criminal mischief and taken to CSKT Tribal Jail.

John -Two armed home invaders in Shawnee, Oklahoma ignored the security system sign, the motion sensors, and the alarm system when they broke into Frances and Cardell Banks’ home around 2:30am Wednesday morning. The elderly couple had lived there for 40 year. When one of the armed home invaders broke into their bedroom, pointed his shotgun at the couple, and told them to get on the floor, Mr. Banks responded “You get out of here.” He then shot the intruder in the chest. The intruder along with his accomplice then fled the house. Justin Ray Harjo, age 26,  was later found under a truck and taken to the OU Medical Center for emergency surgery. He is in the ICU is serious condition.

There is more to this story. According to Mr. Banks, he didn’t have any experience with firearms. “No! That’s my first time shooting a gun,” he said. His wife Frances said they bought the gun hoping to never need it, but now she’s glad it was there. Mr. Banks also said his gun jammed after the first shot.

Comment – The Banks were lucky.

Gary -A strange DGU came out of Lakeland Florida on Saturday. According to theledger.com Michael Thomas White trespassed on 2 properties on Saturday morning. At the second he encountered the homeowner. When she asked him to leave he brandished a 12 ½ inch double edged dagger. The homeowner then got her husband and his Mossberg 12ga shotgun.  When the husband asked him to leave White stated that his sister was a witch and had been burned at the stake on that property and therefore the property was his. He then threw the dagger, at which point the husband shot white in the arm. According to the article White started dancing around and flailing his arms, then exited the property.  He was found in a grocery store parking lot a few blocks away and was arrested and taken to the hospital with non life threatening injuries.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Jacob sent in our first email

Last podcast you all had a wonderful debate about the trainer refusing to train Muslims.  I enjoyed listening to the responses, and like so many other times when listening to intelligent debate, I could appreciate the opinions expressed, even if I didn’t always agree.  I found myself often bringing up counterpoints in my head, only to hear someone bring the very same point up on-air, which was satisfying, to say the least.  One point was not brought up, so I felt I should say something about it.

It is definitely a reality that if you soak a crucifix in urine and try and call it “art,” you’ll get a “tsk-tsk” from the Christian community, whereas if you draw an image of Muhammed with a bomb under his turban you may very well have a firebombing at your house.  That said, someone (I don’t recall who) said that while it was only an extremist minority committing violence or terrorism, the rest of the Muslim world wasn’t protesting or condemning them publicly, which makes them complicit.  This would be true, if the media chose the very condemnations we’re looking for.  I remember recently reading a pretty cool point-by-point condemnation of ISIS in an open letter from over 100 Muslim clerics.  I’ve included a link to both the text, and a news article discussing it.

http://lettertobaghdadi.com/index.php

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2014/09/24/More-100-Muslim-Clerics-Sign-Letter-Condemning-ISIS

A few gems:

“10. It is forbidden in Islam to harm or mistreat in any way Christians or any ‘People of the Scripture’”

“13. It is forbidden in Islam to force people to convert”

“16. It is forbidden in Islam to enact legal punishments (hudud) without following the correct procedures that ensure justice and mercy.”

“17. It is forbidden in Islam to torture people”

About 9/11 – On the very day of the attack (or so this article indicates), American Muslims spoke out and condemned the attacks.

http://www.islamicity.com/articles/Articles.asp?ref=AM0109-335

“American Muslims utterly condemn what are apparently vicious and cowardly acts of terrorism against innocent civilians. We join with all Americans in calling for the swift apprehension and punishment of the perpetrators. No political cause could ever be assisted by such immoral acts.”

It happens, but it appears it gets the same coverage in the American media that is given for attempted mass shootings stopped by CCW holders.  That is to say, not very much

 

Paul – Mike in NJ wrote in a brief email stating that Ah-Ha’s Take On Me was the best music video ever made, not Robert Palmer’s Addicted to Love. I emailed him back and stated that while Take On Me was likely in the top 10 it was not even close to the best ever… Must be something in New Jersey’s water. Bad gun laws and bad taste in music’ videos.

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Greg in Bremerton emailed this in.

Paul,

Your opinion, is this worthwhile?  You can answer in an Email or cover it on your next show.

Thanks for your time.

Greg, Bremerton

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Paul : stay safe,

Gary D. : be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 274 – Vikram Khanna at GRPC 2014

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, October 8th, 2014. I’m Rachel Malone.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we have a recorded interview with Vik Khanna from the gun rights policy conference.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly news and stories of defensive gun use.. so climb aboard.
John: strap in!
Rachel: and hang on!  Episode 274 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Rachel- I had a girls’ shopping date with a friend of mine today…..a holster and ammo shopping date, that is. We found her a great holster at GT Distributors that allows her to carry a Glock 23 concealed. For a girl with a smaller frame, that’s pretty sweet.

John – Nothing really to report since Sunday afternoon. I’m waiting for my invitation to Media Day at SHOT Show. I understand that Paul and Susan have gotten their invitations. I hope they will put in a good word for me!

Rob- Dry practice and work.
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John -The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms has a long history.  Recently it is a history of corruption and incompetence.  There is a website called “clean up ATF” where the field agents complain about their management.  Unfortunately, the management retaliates if anyone complains too loudly.  They tried to make an example of ATF field agent Vincent Cefalu.  Agent Cefalu went to court in his wrongful termination case last week.  This week the judge dismissed ATF’s attempt to fire Cefalu. The judge ruled that unfounded charges must be removed from his personnel record, the ATF owes Cefalu for his legal costs, the agency must restore Cefalu’s retirement funds by the end of the month, and they must pay an undisclosed settlement award.  After the verdict, agent Cefalu made an open post addressed to ATF Director B. Todd Jones and Deputy Director Thomas E. Brandon.

“You allowed the agency to abuse me and my family for eight years only to admit you were wrong. Nothing in the case changed over the last two years, yet you refused to settle, continued wasting taxpayers’ dollars and precious court time only to do what you should have done years ago..  You still have to reconcile not only keeping the managers responsible for this on your payroll, but promot[ing] them.  You have been aware of the perjury, false statements … gross mismanagement and waste, fraud and abuse by members of your executive staff and field managers and have done nothing. In fact you went to heroic measures to defend them.

“My true win comes from the knowledge that the field does not and will not accept your reckless leadership and [is] not afraid to call you out anymore.”

With bad managment like this, no wonder there is a morale problem at the ATF.  Yeah, and their agency lawyers are spending time fighting internal lawsuits rather than prosecuting violent criminal behavior.

Rob- There are similar problems at the Federal Bureau of Investigation.  Senator Chuck Grassley of Iowa said eleven whistleblowers in the FBI say the bureau is targeting them for termination in retaliation for their revelations about FBI wrongdoing.  Senator Grassley is the ranking Republican on the Senate Committee on the Judiciary.  The FBI set out to punish whistleblowers in a way the whistleblowers could not oppose.  They were served with Loss of Effectiveness orders and warned that their performance is suffering and that they could soon be fired.  These letters bypass the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility, so the whistleblowers would never have a chance to protest their evaluation.  Quoting Senator Grassley, “It’s stereotypical treatment of whistleblowers by the executive branch.”  These letters sent to the FBI employees mark the first major case showing how newly appointed FBI Director James B. Comey may react to internal whistleblowers.  If these allegations are true, the FBI’s treatment of whistleblowers stands in stark contrast with how it treats agents who have been found by [internal investigators] to have committed actual, disciplinable offenses,”  The senator cited the case of an FBI agent who was having a relationship with a foreign citizen and had divulged sensitive information. The agent was never sent a Loss of Effectiveness (LOE) letter, and the agent’s case was handled through the Office of Professional Responsibility, he said.

Rachel- The Indianapolis Star researched violent crimes committed with a firearm during the last five years.  They found three thousand of examples where prosecutors bargained away the firearms charges for a guilty plea to a lesser offense.  The plea bargains make life easier for prosecutors.  The plea bargains also cost lives when violent criminals are returned to the streets to kill again.  One such criminal was Leandrew Beasley.  Beasley was a drug dealer who shot several people while he should have been serving time in jail for his prior convictions.  Many of the criminals studied had a long list of prior arrests.  This was particularly true of murderers.  Evidently murder takes practice.  The report concluded that prosecuting repeat felons under existing laws would save lives.

Rob -Indianapolis is not alone in costing innocent lives.  Los Angeles is stuck on stupid and passes more gun restrictions while their crime rate goes up. The LA City Council voted to ban the possession of “high capacity” magazines within city limits. While the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that restrictions on concealed carry had to be eased, the LA County Sheriffs Department refused to comply with the judges’ ruling. The LA City Council lobbied the state legislature to ban “single shot” handguns, a ban which was implemented on the state level. At the state level, California restricted lead ammo, expanding criminal firearm storage rules, requiring safety certificates for owners of long guns, and expanding background checks.  All the while, crime rose in Los Angeles.  According to the Los Angeles Times, LA’s “overall violent crime rate is up 7.6 percent year to year.  Aggravated assaults increased by nearly 20 percent. and the incidence of rape was up 7 percent.

rachel comment- Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results.

john comment- the politicians will keep selling gun control as long as the voters will buy it.

Rachel- Pro-Mag is a magazine and gun component manufacturer with a considerable share of the market.   They moved their business from anti-gun California to pro-gun and pro-business Arizona.  General manager Mike Kurvink said that the move was sparked by California’s gun and business laws that made it nearly impossible to do business.  They took 200 employees and 40 truck loads of equipment with them as they moved to Phoenix.
comment- well done, Pro-Mag

John -Here is a story of progress for Alabama gun owners.  The use of sound suppressors for hunting became legal as of October first.  Federal tax stamps are still required.  Until earlier this year, the Alabama Department of Conservation and Natural Resources prohibited the use of suppressors/silencers.  Now Alabama joins thirty other states who allow hunters to use suppressors while hunting.

Several countries consider hunting without a suppressor to be rude since the noise bothers the neighbors.  Those countries didn’t have alcohol prohibition in the 1930s and didn’t have our firearms laws that were supposed to control the organized crime that grew out of prohibition.
comment- using a suppressor makes you a good neighbor.
comment- John, are you going to get a suppressor for your pig gun?

Rob -A lie can travel halfway around the world before the truth pulls on its pants.  Anti-gun activist Mark Kelly lied on national television about how firearms transactions occur without a background check.  Kelly said only 60 percent of all gun sales occur with a background check.  The statistic is false and misleading.  The data comes from a few hundred phone interviews conducted 20 years ago.  The limited data includes sales made before background checks were required by law.  That is a fact you won’t hear on CNN.

comment-John – And THAT is why we have listeners to the Polite Society Podcast

Rachel -The intolerance of anti-gunners has reached a new high. Nino Ferlaino, a seasonal landscaping employee of the Crown Point, Indiana Lakes of the Four Seasons gated community was fired on July 2nd for merely owning a gun. His supervisor asked him if it was true he carried a firearm to which Mr. Ferlaino replied that he owned a firearm but did not carry it at work. Ferlaino was fired because the gated community had a “no tolerance policy”. Mr. Ferlaino is now suing the Lakes of the Four Seasons Property Owners Association Inc. for actual and punitive damages, attorney’s fees, and an injunction preventing them from taking similar actions against other employees. The homeowner’s association’s are in violation of an Indiana law passed in 2011 which forbids employers from asking if their employees own guns.  Moreover, most employees have the right to store their firearm in their vehicles while at work.

john Comment – I hope this group of anti-gunners has deep pockets
rob Comment – and that Mr. Ferlaino takes a lot of their money.

John – With Election Day less than a month away, it is important for gun owners and gun right supporters to know who our friends are, who only pays lip service to the Second Amendment, and who really is after our guns. To find who who is pro-gun, we suggest checking out the NRA Political Victory Fund site as well as those from the many state-level organizations. To make it easier to figure out who  pays lip service or hates us, Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors have released their own endorsements. As Bob Owens of BearingArms points out, Bloomberg didn’t want to be seen doing the endorsements himself. You will find such anti-gun luminaries as Cal AG Kamala Harris, CT Gov Dan Malloy, and NY Gov Andrew Cuomo on the list along with others who pretend to support the Second Amendment like Senators Kay Hagan, Mark Udall, and Mary Landrieu.

John – The Durham County (NC) Sheriffs Department finally has destroyed a handgun registry that had been in existence since 1935. While the county repealed the law authorizing the registry as mandated by the General Assembly, they were unwilling to actually destroy the records claiming they had historical relevance. It was only after Grass Roots North Carolina threatened to sue the Sheriffs Department and the county that steps were taken to shred the record cards. Clerk of Court Archie Smith and Sheriff Mike Andrews filmed the destruction of the records which can be seen on YouTube.

Rob -Connecticut got this one wrong. Scott Lazure was a security guard.  He had a concealed carry permit in Connecticut.  You may not know that Connecticut allows open carry with a concealed carry license, and Scott was open carrying.  The police certainly forgot that open carry is allowed.  In Connecticut, there is also no requirement to inform the police that you have a concealed carry permit.  Police approached Scott, and asked to see his identification.  He refused, since a citizen is not required to produce identification unless they are charged with a crime.  This went to court and Scott won.  The judge told the police to return Scott’s firearm.  That is when the issuing authority, the state Board of Firearms Permit Examiners, revoked Scott’s permit to carry.  Now that decision is headed to court.  It seems likely that Michael Lawlor, the undersecretary for criminal justice policy and planning for Governor Dannel Malloy, sent down word to deny Scott Lazure’s permit.  Governor Malloy is in a heated race for Governor against the pro-gun candidate Tom Foley.  The police need guidance and leadership.  That starts from the top, and Connecticut gun owners should be involved in this race for governor.

Comment – Mike Vanderboegh wrote about Lawlor in the past speculating that he was a KGB plant.

Rachel- This officer has his internal compass set and it guides his actions.  Officer Ben Hall was going to cite a woman for driving her 5 year old without a car seat.  The woman agreed that she needed a car seat, but said her family had fallen on some hard times recently.  Her car had been repossessed along with her daughter’s car seat.  Now they didn’t have the money for a new car seat.  The officer could have fined her and given her a ticket.  He’s done exactly that before, but not this time.  Officer Hall bought her a car seat instead.  Hall said “..what she was going through.. was something anyone could have been going through.  Giving her a ticket.. doesn’t solve the problem..  I talked to the mother about different organizations that give out car seats but it was Friday night.. and we needed something right now.”

They found a 55 dollar car seat at Walmart and Officer Hall paid for it.  I hope the rest of the officers in Emmett Township, Michigan are that thoughtful.  He has helped us all with his example.

john comment- Why talk about this on the Polite Society Podcast?

rob comment- because if we criticize the police when they get it wrong then we have to recognize them when they get it right.

John -Law enforcement understands violence, but the politicians are playing games with people’s lives in New York,  Tony Oliva writes at his blog “Bullets First”.  He documented a one man crime spree by a convicted rapist in New York.  The criminal attempted one abduction in a gun-free zone of a shopping center parking lot.  He later kidnapped and raped a second woman at gunpoint.  The criminal kidnapped a second man and made him drop him off at a college campus.  Another gun free zone. In short, a violent rapist gets released from jail, quickly gets a gun despite the New York SAFE Act, chooses gun free zones to attack victims and is finally caught on a gun free zone college campus about to repeat his crimes all over again.  This is as close to proof as we will ever find that firearms restrictions disarm honest citizens and not criminals.

Rob- Gun Quotes- “We shall have lost something vital and beyond price on the day when the state denies us the right to resort to force…” – Justice Louis Brandeis in The Brandeis Guide to the Modern World, 1941.

Rachel- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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Rachel -This DGU was sent in by Scott who lives in Texas.  Three intruders broke into a home just west of Houston in Katy, Texas.  One of the homeowners was jumped and tackled by two masked intruders who taped his arms and feet.  They tried to get into his safe.  The homeowner played dead when the thieves tried to choke him. Quote “All I could think about was my daughter.”  The thieves ransacked the two-story home.  At one point the homeowner raised his head and the the thieves said, quote “if you look up again, we’ll kill you.”  The homeowner opened his gun safe and waited for the thieves.

Two of the thieves were airlifted to the hospital for emergency surgery because of multiple gunshot wounds.  The third suspect is being sought by police.

John -Despite its western reputation, Texas has some work to do on its firearms laws.  Four armed men entered a bar in Northwest Harris County.  Most of the crowd had gone home.  It was after closing time as the staff cleaned up EJ’s Place.  A few customers lingered.  One was a regular who routinely walked the female staff to their cars after closing.  The four criminals ordered everyone to lie face down on the ground.  That is when one of the regular customers shot and killed two of the armed thieves.  The other two criminals fled.  Under Texas law, even licensed carriers can’t have guns in bars. That could explain why the armed customer who saved lives left the bar before police arrived.

Rob -The police are minutes away when you need them.  A Lake Elsinore, California couple called police when an intruder tried to enter their house just before 11 pm Sunday night.  The male homeowner retrieved his handgun and shouted to the intruder that he was armed.  The intruder smashed in a window anyway.  The homeowner fired and the intruder fled.  Paramedics took the intruder to a local medical center where he died of his injuries.  The police do not expect to press charges against the homeowner.

rachel comment- There is some justice even in California.
john comment- I wonder if the criminal was stupid, or intoxicated.

rachel -A domestic dispute escalated and ended in a self-defense shooting.  An unmarried couple in Lima, Ohio argued in front of the woman’s parents.  First the man was asked to leave, and then the man was forced to leave.  The homeowners called police.  The man returned later after the police had left..  That is when the man and a friend, Markquis Hall and Ja’Taven Dukes began shooting at the house.  The family called police again and the pregnant woman hid with her 9 month old baby in a hall closet.  The woman is recorded on the 911 call saying, ““He’s shooting. He has a gun and he’s shooting on the inside and there’s an infant in here.  Can you all please hurry up.”  Hall and Dukes, both in their mid 20s, were shot as they broke through a window to enter the home.  Dukes died and Hall was arrested by police at St. Rita’s Medical Center seeking treatment for a gunshot wound.

comment- Thank god someone had a gun.

Rob- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
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Rachel- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rachel, that article about armed women I promised you was picked up by Ammoland and Keep and Bear Arms.

Rob John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John- Go fund me for Paul.  Here is the link- http://www.gofundme.com/fg2dhw

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

John: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 269 – Frank Fiamingo

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday, September 14th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll discuss some updates in the Shaneen Allen prosecution with Frank Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly news and self-defense stories.
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: and strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 269 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rachel- I visited with Texas GOP Chairman Steve Munisteri at a local Republican club meeting last week and reminded him about the resolution we passed at the State Convention in June to prioritize gun legislation. Hopefully he will encourage the State Republican Executive committee to take up that issue. However, it looks like we’re going to have to wait until the December meeting for that; I attended the quarterly SREC meeting yesterday and, unfortunately, gun right legislation was nowhere on their radar.

Sometimes political activism involves high-energy, fast-action, heavily-involved intense work. This weekend was quite the opposite. On the surface, nothing was accomplished for gun rights or liberty. It was the slow, behind-the-scenes work of meeting people in positions of authority and power, networking, holding them accountable, letting them know we WILL be back, and being supportive of those who have supported us in the past. Our time is all limited, and political activism can be discouraging; I believe we must each pick what we feel is the most valuable way to use our time. For me, this past weekend, that was the SREC meeting, and I’m glad I went.

Rob- Steel shoot with two new shooters. The other three friends that were supposed to join me called in sick. I chose the slow and sure approach and had one miss out of 30 targets. That was good enough to win a pin.

Paul – Had Monday and Tuesday off for truck repairs and since I want to go to GRPC I worked Saturday. That means that we record this one on Sunday. I did get some exciting gun related stuff done this week though. I secured the range for 2 REALLY cool weekends next year. We have already released that Bob Mayne and Ben Branam are coming up to do their Beyond Concealed Carry class in May, and Just this week we finalised plans for Kathy Jackson to come back to Sioux Falls next August to to another Cornered Cat co-ed class! I have one more that I am working on that I am SUPER excited about that just isn’t ready to talk about yet. I REALLY wish that I could because it is super cool, but stay tuned I hope to be able to give out details in the near future.

Had a bit of a scare when I got to SF last night. I was backing my truck into a spot at a receiver where we do drop trailer loads. There wasn’t supposed to be anyone there, and as I drove around the building there wasn’t. As I finished my back a SUV pulls around to the back of the building (where I am backing in) and has it’s bright lights shining right at my truck. (when I back I have the driver’s side window rolled all the way down and at some points in the back I am actually sticking my head out of the window as I look back) I had no night vision now, and all I could see was these bright headlights pointing at me. I stopped the truck, set the breaks, rolled the window up and grabbed my phone. After a few minutes the SUV started rolling again and when he turned his headlights away from me I could see that it was the security patrol. Just a gentle reminder, if you are around a truck that is backing at night, even your low beams can hurt the drivers eyes if you are pointing them at the truck as he is backing up. High beams will mostly blind him and really get him paranoid.

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Episode 266 – Laura Carno and Assemblyman Brian Jones

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2014
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll have interviews with Laura Carno and California Assemblyman Brian Jones
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news, so climb aboard
Rachel strap in
Rob: and hang on! Episode 266 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- Dry practice, buying ammunition and writing. The article I wrote about my “may issue” sheriff was picked up by Ammoland. From there it was picked up by NRA news. Scheduling some training.

Rachel- Not much news, just work and homeschooling. Enjoyed our trip to the beach last weekend and watched a great football game in which my brother’s team won.

John – My Next Level Training SIRT pistol arrived yesterday. And I love it! I have been doing some dry fire practice and trying out all the features of it.

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Rachel -John Katso was a New York prosecutor.  He prosecuted organized crime.  He prosecuted street gangs in Syracuse, and put 130 gang members in jail.  He and his family were threatened.  Katso asked for and received permission to carry a firearm.  His car was robbed in the church parking lot while Mr. Katso and his family were inside.  His firearm was taken from the car.  A few weeks later, the thieves used the stolen firearm in a strongarm robbery of an illegal gambling house.  All that happened 14 years ago.  This November, John Katso is running for congress.  Katso’s opponent says he negligently gave firearms to criminals.  Here are points to ponder;

One- Take your gun with you when you go to church.
Two- Read political comments in New York media very carefully.

John Comment- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms loses about 15 firearms a year.

Rob- A police officer in New York city stopped at a Bronx bodega on his way to work at the 44th precinct.  Three thugs beat him and grabbed his firearm.  Fortunately, they did not kill the officer.  Backup officers caught the thugs and recovered the pistol.. this time.

John Comment- The 44th precinct is where John Cardillo was a patrolman.  We’ve had John on the show.
Rob Comment- I’ve heard an officer say he can never lose a fight.  The officer can run away, but if he loses a fight then the odds are the thugs will kill him with his own gun.
Rachel Comment- Here is an important safety tip- don’t fight a police officer.

John- Welcome back from your long Labor Day weekend.  In New York City, 15 people were shot on Saturday and Sunday, and another 10 were shot on Labor Day.  4 of them died from the gunshots.  In Chicago, 33 people were shot and three of them died over the three day weekend.

Rob Comment- Ouch.  Those gun free zones aren’t working, are they!

Rachel- This phrase has become a joke, “Trust me.  I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”  The US military was going to help local law enforcement by giving them surplus military weapons.  They received M-4’s, M-14s and M-16s.  They received shotguns, handguns and armored vehicles.  As you’d expect, the local police departments are not as careful with other people’s property as they might be with their own equipment.  184 state and local police departments have been suspended from program and the entire program is under review.  Weapons are missing from police arsenals.. as well as two humvees.

In Mississippi, the Meridian Police Department was suspended from the program after their inventory showed four missing M14s.  In neighboring Arkansas, the Lawrence County Sheriff’s Department was suspended after it lost an M14 assault rifle and a night vision scope that was “damaged and destroyed” without prior approval.  The Huntington Beach, California Police Department was suspended from the program after losing an M16 assault rifle.  Quote

“The loss was discovered during an internal audit, and an investigation was inconclusive as to how that occurred.”

John Comment- I have a curio and relics license, and I don’t think the lost weapons were transferred with a 4473.
Rachel Comment- No, probably not.

Rob – This law enforcement officer knows his citizens.  Maryland politics are dominated by Baltimore and the DC suburbs.  Rural Maryland is another country entirely.  Wicomico [wy-KAHM-ih-koh] County Sheriff Mike Lewis reminded the citizens of his county that he will not violate the Constitution.  “I made a vow and a commitment.  As long as I am sheriff of this county, I will not allow the federal government to come in here and strip my citizens of the right to bear arms.”  Sheriff Lewis is mindful of keeping firearms out of the hands of dangerous felons, but also explained, “We do not need to strip law abiding citizens of their Second Amendment right to bear arms. That I get upset over. I really do.  I can tell you this.  If they attempt to do that, it will be an all-out civil war. No question about it.”

Rachel Comment- I bet he is part of the Constitutional Sheriff’s and Peace officers association.
rob Commnet- I wish he were my Sheriff.
John Comment- Yeah, but then you’d have to live in Maryland.
Rob Comment- Good point.

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John- Welcome back. The California legislature did not close business until 5am Saturday morning.  There were several proposed bills that attacked the right of armed self-defense.  Some of them died in the legislature, and some of them are sitting on the Governor’s desk waiting for his signature.  The Firearms Policy Coalition wants to flood California Governor Jerry Brown’s office with e-mails and faxes.  Give them some clicks at VetoGunControl.com  These bills establish firearms restraining orders, mandate firearms registration, and mandate a gun owner re-transfer his own firearms each time he leaves or enters the state.

Rachel Comment- Let’s give California gun owners some help.

Rob – Here is some more news from the land of the fruits and nuts.   A junior high school vice principal in California was arrested after he didn’t break the law.  Bakersfield police took 51 year old Kent Williams, into custody sometime after 9 am.  Williams is Vice Principal of Tevis Junior High School.  Assistant Superintendent Gerrie Kincaid said she immediately notified police when a district administrator called her with an anonymous tip that a staff member had a gun on campus.

Vice Principal Williams cooperated with the school resource officer and said his licensed  firearm was secured in his office.  It took the Bakersfield police several hours to conclude that no laws had been broken because the Vice Principal holds a valid Kern County concealed weapons permit that allows him to have a firearm on a school campus.  The Vice Principal remains on paid administrative leave from the Panama-Buena Vista Union School District for violating district policy by bringing the firearm on campus before he received permission from Superintendent Gerrie Kincaid.  Superintendent Kincaid said “We’re a gun-free zone.”

Rachel Comment- Evidently they are far from a gun free zone.
John Comment- A gun free fantasy zone maybe, but not a gun free zone.
Rachel Comment- Does an “anonymous tip” sound suspect to you too?

Rachel- Here’s some breaking news from Texas. Today, Michael Keoughan stood trial regarding his arrest in Andrews, TX last January when he was openly carrying a rifle. Michael is a part of Come And Take It Texas but was doing a solo walk in a new location as part of a brand-new CATI chapter. CATI-TX has stood with him through his legal harassment this year, and today he was vindicated as the jury returned the verdict: Not Guilty.

Rob Comment-  It is legal if we all do it but not legal if you open carry alone?

John – The Washington Times described the booming business from pro-gun restaurants.  There are some 57 thousand businesses that welcome the armed citizen.  The Cajun Experience in Leesburg, Virginia, has Second Amendment Wednesdays, where patrons are encouraged to either go concealed carry or open carry.  Shiloh Brew & Chew in Maryville, Tennessee gained national media attention by putting a sign in the window of her restaurant welcoming firearm owners with permits.  The Chicken Express in Bossier City, Louisiana, gave a free combo meal to patrons who showed up with a concealed carry license.   John Kavanaugh owns Kavanaugh’s Esquire Club in Madison, Wisconsin decided not to disarm his honest patrons with a “no guns” sign. Quote ”..what if a crook came in and realized he was the only one with a firearm? Why should I post that? There’s never been an issue about it. We have such a variety of customers — older, younger, a lot of families.”  Some restaurants ask their customers to disarm.  The Pit Authentic Barbecue in Durham, North Carolina, decided to  hang a “No Weapons, No Concealed Firearms” sign in the window.  The barbecue restaurant was robbed at gunpoint in May. Two employees were injured, with one ending up in the hospital. Their Raleigh restaurant is the one  that hosted Gabby Giffords on her so-called listening tour.

Rachel Comment- Gun check! Who has their gun?
Rob Comment- Podcasting makes me hungry!

Rachel- Last episode we talked about more school districts with armed school staff on campus.  This is why they are critically important.  A teenager threatened to shoot her classmates and teachers at Franklin High School near Cincinnati, Ohio.  The 15 year old student told her friends she wanted “to do a mass school shooting and end it with suicide by cop.”  Her friends told school officials and the student was arrested.  She is being held at the Warren County Juvenile Detention Center.

Rob Comments-???  I’m sad that this young lady is suicidal.  We’re lucky she was stopped in time.  I’m glad more school staff are armed.

Rob- This is a story about someone who hates gun owners.  The self-proclaimed liberal democrat Mike Dickinson sent out a tweet saying “Dear god, please use Ebola to infect the NRA and it’s various members. For they are a true virus and true terrorists in America.  There would be no funnier thing then to see the NRA members in a death clutch of their gun while dealing with Ebola.”  Dickinson used shock media to get attention before.  In July he offered 100 thousand dollars for nude photos of the hunter and college cheerleader Kendall Jones.   Dickinson also attacked the The Tea Party and Christians.

John Comment-  I don’t think reaching out as a kinder and gentler gun owner is going to help with this guy.  He hates us.
Rachel Comment- Haters are going to hate, and it isn’t about us.

John – We have discussed the impact of concealed carry on the murder rates in Chicago a number of times on the podcast. A different take on this comes from Kurt Hofmann writing for the JPFO. Kurt holds that it is unnecessary to rely upon statistics to make our case for gun rights. Kurt states, “I don’t care because fundamental human rights–and the right to self-defense must be seen by any rational, ethical person as chief among those–cannot legitimately be held hostage to a requirement for a favorable statistical outcome.” He goes on to make the point that using numbers to justify our rights tacitly surrenders those rights if the numbers turn against us. He concludes by saying that our opponents try to bolster their weak arguments using stats like “a gun in the home is 43 times as likely to kill a family member” etc and that we must be better than that.

Rachel – This might seem philosophical, but we can do that every now and again.  Some liberal politicians want us to turn in our guns.  All of them.  Those are their words, not our words.  Their  “common sense regulation” is simply a series of stepping stones to disarmament.  We’ve taken about 23 thousand such steps in the United States so far, and the gun grabbers are still not satisfied.  Let me modify that last statement; citizens will be disarmed, not the government.  In fact, as citizens are disarmed and crime soars, the police claim they need more and more arms.  We’re told again and again that officer safety is paramount.  We have another example of where totalitarian power leads.  This example comes from Iraq.  ISIS, the Al-Qaeda associated group, issued this declaration for all land under its control.   in Iraq . . .

No public gathering are allowed other than those organised by ISIS. No guns are allowed other than those belonging to ISIS and carried by its supporters.

It has been said many times that power grows out of the barrel of a gun, and it looks like ISIS is embracing that idea.

Rob- Gun Quotes- To trust arms in the hands of the people at large has, in Europe, been believed…to be an experiment fraught only with danger. Here by a long trial it has been proved to be perfectly harmless…If the government be equitable; if it be reasonable in its exactions; if proper attention be paid to the education of children in knowledge and religion, few men will be disposed to use arms, unless for their amusement, and for the defence of themselves and their country. — Timothy Dwight, Travels in New England and New York [London 1823]

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

Laura Carno at 5:10 Defend Colorado, bring the second amendment supporters into this election.  Raise money and keep it in Colorado.  When was the event?  Where was the event? Who spoke?  Celebrities or candidates at the event?  How many attended?  What else is happening in Colorado politics?  Hickenlooper pardon, and Udall lied.  Laura’s I am created equal site is here, and Udall Lied is here.

Assemblyman Brian Jones of the California Assembly Republican Caucus.  The legislative session closed for the year.  The right of self defense had some wins and some losses this year.  Second amendment supporters are in the minority in the California legislature.  They fought SB 53 to a tie and it died.  Could you tell us about SB 53 and how you managed to stop the bill?

What are the other bills you managed to stop?
What anti-gun bills passed?
What should self-defense advocates do now?
Call the Governor.  Citizens in California have to vote and help get out the vote.

Here is a video of Assemblyman Brian Jones defending armed self-defense on the Assembly floor.  Here is the Assemblyman’s website, and here is his facebook page.  You can thank Assemblyman Jones by e-mail- brian@electbrianjones.com

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel-This defensive gun use story is from Orchard Park, New York.  A homeowner and his son heard unusual sounds from an upstairs room at 1am.  They saw two people dressed in dark clothing use a ladder to break into an upstairs window.  The homeowner called police.  The homeowner and his son also grabbed their firearms and held the two intruders at gun point until police arrived.    Police arrested 18-year-old Jacob Rappleye and 22-year-old Anthony Guarino.  Both are charged with attempted burglary, criminal mischief, and unlawful possession of marijuana.

Rob Comment-

Rob – Also from New York, a homeowner called police.  She said two people were trying to break into her home in Crystal Lake.  By the time officers arrived, the thieves had broken in, and one of them had been shot in the stomach.  The homeowner fired after the intruders kicked in her locked door and advanced on her and her children.  Nicholas Porcayo, 18, and Brandon Mendez, 19, were charged with intimidation, a Class 3 felony, and criminal trespass to a residence, a Class 4 felony.  Mendez was taken to an undisclosed hospital with injuries that were not life-threatening.  Mendez already has a pending case in which he has been charged with two counts of criminal damage to property of less than $300, Class A misdemeanors, and mob action, a Class C misdemeanor.  He also is under court supervision for a misdemeanor battery charge, a case in which he also was charged with aggravated battery, a Class 2 felony; resisting or obstructing a police officer resulting in injury, a Class 4 felony; and theft of less than $500, a Class A misdemeanor. Those charges were dismissed.

Rachel Comment- Another frequent flyer.

John – This is why you carry.  It happened along a walking path in Lancaster, Ohio.  Dinah Burns was walking her dog when two young white men came out of the woods along her path.  One of them held a baseball bat and said she was coming with them.  The two men were not afraid of her dog, but they fled after she drew her handgun and pointed it at them.  Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she’d only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Rachel- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

We’ll be back..

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Listener e-mail discussion.

Rob- I got an e-mail from listener John in Texas who recently got his pistol instructors certificate.  He also has a SIRT pistol and promised to share his training tips with me.  Congratulations, John, and I want to hear your ideas.

Rachel- Here is an e-mail from TJ

Hey everyone,
Can you guys give some tips on keeping front sight focus while transitioning between targets and shooting while moving? I tend to shift my focus from my sight to the next target and then have trouble refocusing on the front sight to make my next shot. Any tips would be greatly appreciated!

Thank,
TJ Gauthier

Rachel- practice slowly and perfectly
Rob- distance. point shoot versus slow aimed fire.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?  Only that my post on my “may issue” sheriff was picked up by NRA news.  How about you John?

John do you want to mention anything off of your Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

I wrote a post on Tuesday regarding Tamara Keele’s decision to suspend her very long-running and very popular gun blog, View from the Porch. At the heart of her decision was having to deal with a cyberstalker. I said the person involved needed to be charged, convicted, and imprisoned. While I have been informed of his name, I don’t feel it proper to state it on the podcast as that would be giving him more attention than someone of his ilk deserves.

John- Rob, what do you have up on SlowFacts?
Rob- I’ll have a post comparing self- defense in two cities.

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Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the next time…
John: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.