Episode 214 – Jim Irvine

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Intro- Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society. This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, the 22nd of February, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talked with Jim Irvine of Buckeye Firearms about training teachers for self-defense
Rob: I’m Rob and my sheriff is in the news, so we’ll talk about NEWS and DGUS
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob:strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 214 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1 Personal news from each participant
Rachel: I’m in Oklahoma. Couldn’t find spices at Walmart, but can open carry down the street and go shopping.  I put on some training classes for the Texas party conventions. Texas has conventions at the local, district and state level. Not much sleep.
Rob: I introduced a friend of the family to firearms. We did a touch and ask session yesterday, and we took her to the range today. I was looking to rent a carry gun at the range, but the range selection was lame.
Paul: I’ve been sick. Tomorrow I get to watch the Datona 500. I’m a big motor racing fan.  Trying to get well.  Carrying now.

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Paul-A Republican proposal to repeal an antiquated law on out-of-state rifle and shotgun purchases has been approved unanimously by the Colorado Senate. The bill would undo a 1969 law that says Coloradans may purchase, but not take possession of, a shotgun or rifle unless they buy it in Colorado or a contiguous state.  Welcome, Colorado, to the 1990s and the age of the internet.

Rachel-Connecticut State law enforcement officials are now in the difficult position of dealing with one of the most widely ignored and despised laws since Prohibition.  By law, Connecticut will have to find space to imprison 300,000 residents for the next five years for disobeying a law that will not reduce crime.  Connecticut’s 15 prisons currently hold 16,839 behind bars at an annual cost of $620 million. Full compliance with Connecticut’s new gun laws means their prison costs would exceed the entire state budget.  It is hard to respect the law when the legislature disrespects the citizens.

Rob-We covered this self-defense case in our last episode, but Detroit Police Chief James Craig commented on the way a Detroit mother protected herself from three intruders who kicked in her back door.  The Chief acknowledging the mother gave a verbal warning prior to firing the weapon. Quote, “She protected herself and her young children. The victim did nothing at all wrong.  Even after the victim advises the suspects that she was armed, they continued an aggressive attempt to enter her home.”

Thank you, Chief Craig.

Paul- We reported earlier that Minnesota police challenged the NFL’s ban on firearms in their stadiums, their offices and their training areas.  Texas is going a step further and saying that the NFL’s regulations don’t apply in Texas.  Texas state law states that so long as off-duty law enforcement officers check in at specific gates and let stadium employees know where they’ll be sitting, they are allowed to carry a firearm.  Mac Tristan, president of the Texas Police Association, said the rules requiring off-duty police officers to inform stadium employees as to their whereabouts makes sense.

Rachel-County commissioners in Clark County, Washington requested a new policy allowing county employees to carry concealed weapons. The county’s current policy prohibits employees from bringing concealed firearms to work, even if they have a permit to carry in public. Other people, including elected officials and the public, are exempt from the policy and may bring weapons into some county buildings. Commissioners said loosening the county’s prohibition on employees carrying concealed guns would deter acts of workplace violence and ensure equal rights.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2022961874_clarkcountygunsxml.html?syndication=rss

Rob-In the “this is starting to get old” file, Guns Save Life tells us that a Chicago area school suspended an 11 year old boy after he voluntarily turned in his non-functioning toy gun to school officials. The toy was forgotten in his jacket pocket and he was subjected to intense questioning by school security and threats while his mother was not present.

Paul- Some school officials ASK children to turn in toy guns at schools. Which is it? Do children comply with the rules.. or is the toy gun merely a pretext to criticize a young child?

Paul: Gun Quotes
If you can’t trust citizens with freedom, then you sure can’t trust the government with power.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Seg 3 Interview with Jim Irvine, Chairman of Buckeye Firearms Association where we discuss training teachers for armed defense.

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Segment 4 DGUs
I learned a lot from Jim. As he said, this is not about guns. This is about saving children’s lives.No one cares how safe the school is, even if it is safe compared to other locations. The number one cause of injury in our schools is violence, not accidents. If the number one cause of injury and death was drowning then there is no question we would teach swimming and have life guards.

Rachel: DGU- A burglar remains in critical condition after he was shot by a business owner after breaking into an automotive repair shop in Beltsville, Maryland. Deryck Nedd forced his way into the shop around 11:20 p.m. He was confronted by the owner and shot during a confrontation inside the repair shop office. The burglar fled and crashed his car a short distance away. He is expected to survive. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/02/19/man-shot-breaking-into-business-in-beltsville/

Rob: DGU- A Jennings County, Indiana Grandmother shot a 28 year old man in the leg Saturday after she found him in her 16-year-old granddaughter’s bedroom.  Daniel Sidwell was taken to St. Vincent Hospital in Indianapolis for treatment of a gunshot wound to his right ankle after the incident.  The Grandmother was not charged, thought the case is not closed.

The guy is alive, so I think Grandma showed considerable restraint. http://www.therepublic.com/view/local_story/Woman-shoots-man-in-Jennings-C_1392777892

Paul: DGU- An un-named suspect tried to break into an East San Jose, California home and fired shots at the homeowner.  That is when the homeowner armed himself and returned fire.  Two people were seen getting into a vehicle and driving away.  A short time later a man was dropped off at an area hospital with at least one gunshot wound and declared dead. http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_25197380/san-jose-shooting-leaves-one-dead-police-say

Rachel: TAMPA — Ivette Ros is a the 37-year-old Tampa resident, a single mother of three children, and a bank manager.  At least she was.  Wells Fargo fired her for carrying her firearm to work.  Ros has filed a lawsuit in circuit court against Wells Fargo Bank, which she said fired her last year from her job as manager at the bank’s Oldsmar branch. Her lawsuit says the firing violated her constitutional right to carry arms and asks for monetary damages and attorney fees. http://tbo.com/news/crime/bank-manager-fired-after-carrying-gun-into-work-files-suit-20140221/

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Tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson

Rachel:  We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

paul: Listener e-mail discussion

Greg From Bremmerton sent in a story tells the story of a Texas voter who was turned away from early voting polls because he was wearing a pro-2nd Amendment t-shirt. The t-shirt, which had the slogan “The 2nd Amendment – America’s original Homeland Security was deemed to be electioneering. Electioneering is promoting a particular candidate or issue within a specified distance of a polling place.

Rob: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in Centerton Arkansas in early March.

Rachel:, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: I do.  The San Diego Union Tribune reports that San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore told his Board of Supervisors he will not appeal the recent ninth circuit court ruling.  The court  ruling established self-defense as sufficient cause to issue a concealed carry permit.  Sheriff Gore’s decision does not mean the case will not be appealed.  It means that San Diego won’t do so.  A judge on the circuit court could do so, but that is unlikely.

District of the Ninth Circuit Court

The ninth circuit district covers the western US and Hawaii and Alaska.  Anti-gun legislators outside the ninth circuit district don’t want the Peruta v. Gore case to rise to the Supreme Court.  This is because of the prejudicial nature of the Sheriff’s prior decisions and because of the thorough analysis by the three judge panel of the ninth circuit court.

This is good news for the residents of California, Hawaii and Guam.  Some California counties like Orange County have already changed their carry license policy.  San Diego will wait until the court ruling is finalized.   Because the decision was not appealed to the Supreme Court, it offers cold comfort to gun owners in New Jersey and Maryland.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening CSA and NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 213 – Valinda Rowe and Joe Chetwood

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Intro- Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society. This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, the 19th of Feburary, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and on tonights show we have an Interview with Valinda Rowe of Illinois Carry, as well as a large collection of firearms news and defensive gun use.
Paul: so climb aboard
Rob:strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 213 the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant

Before we go to break I have a bit of news, the Kathy Jackson class coming up on March 1st and 2nd in Centerton Arkansas is now a co-ed class! A listener got in touch with me yesterday and brought that to my attention, I called Kathy and confirmed it. So if you can get there in a week and a half get your seat now!

Also I want to put this out there. For those that are attending the Roadgunner MAG 40 class in May, I would like to see if I can “room” with someone and save a little bit of money. If you are going to be attending the class and would like to share a room to help alleviate some of the costs please email me at Paul@ad7.8f3.myftpupload.com.

Rob: Hmm.  Anyone want a non-smoking room mate at the NRA convention?

Also I want to say thank you to Mark Vanderberg of the Gun Rights Radio Network.  Word came down today that for various reasons Mark is shutting down GRRN for good on the 28th of this month. When I started this show it was my intent from the beginning to get on the network, and I have made a lot of good friends on GRRN . While it was predictable that GRRN would eventually go away it still saddens me to see it go.

As well one of my shows that I catch every time it is released is going away, the Bar Stool Discussion with Mark and Doc Wesson is not going to continue and will go away when the network shuts down.

I want to say a personal thank you to Mark Vanderberg. He is a large part of the reason that the show has turned out the way it has. In the early days of the show Mark taught me a lot about podcasting and has always been just a phone call away if I needed help or advice.. or just to gripe. Mark isn’t going anywhere, he just decided that it is time for a change. I for one am a little sad to see him leave podcasting and I will miss his presence here.

Mark and Doc can come on the show anytime!
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Paul-There are four bits of good news from the Oklahoma house.  One, the judiciary committee approved bills allowing citizens with licensed carry permits to carry in the state capital.  Two, they allow licensed carry holders to leave their firearm locked in their car in elementary and secondary school parking lots.  Three, they authorized state colleges, universities and technology centers to establish general policies for permit holders to bring weapons on campus rather than requiring written permission for each individual.  Four, a separate House committee made it illegal for any federal employee or agent to enforce any federal firearms regulations covering firearms, firearm accessories, or ammunition that is manufactured in Oklahoma and remains within the state’s borders.

Rob: I really wish I’d received that job offer in Tulsa.

Rob-The city of Erie, Pennsylvania can’t enforce a 38-year-old ordinance that banned firearms in city parks.  The ordinance was overturned by the state Commonwealth Court and the city did not appeal the ruling.  Now the city has to dismiss fines and convictions against eight local gun-rights activists found guilty of violating the ordinance at a rally in Perry Square last June.

Paul- Illinois lawmakers are already changing the state’s 7-month-old concealed-carry law.  This is only weeks before even the first batch of permits are sent out to approved applicants. Several proposed bills would roll back restrictions to Illinois strict carry law.  Bills would allow concealed carry in public parks, on Cook County Forest Preserve lands and on public transportation.

Senator Kyle McCarter said he wants to allow concealed firearms in public transit systems because otherwise, in high-crime areas, criminals could easily target citizens they know aren’t carrying guns. In addition to these bills, some anti rights bills have been introduced.

Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day is coming up soon, and Valinda Rowe’s interview will be running later in the show. If you live, work or travel through Illinois, then we encourage you to be at IGOLD.

Rob- From New Jersey, gun-control advocates frequently use scare tactics to mislead the public into supporting laws that unnecessarily restrict Second Amendment rights. The most stringent firearms laws in the country don’t satisfy the rabid activists there. They are pushing to lower the legal magazine size from 15 to 10. “Our top priority is a 10-round limit on magazine size,”  said Bryan Miller, executive director of Heeding God’s Call. The group’s sole purpose is to push for more gun control. Its primary tactic is to hold “prayer vigils” outside firearms stores. Mr. Miller claims, “Nobody needs a 15-round ammunition magazine unless they are a domestic terrorist or a gangster.”  However, Mr. Miller neglected to mention that virtually all law enforcement uses firearms with more than 10 rounds.

If this magazine restriction is such a good idea, then let’s start with the state police, the legislative security details, and local sheriff’s deputies.  Better yet, let the law enforcement officers go back to 6 shot revolvers.  Why would anyone need more than six shots?…  Yeah, just as I thought.

In New York, a union official said Saturday the Remington Arms Co.’s decision to open a manufacturing plant in Alabama does not bode well for Ilion, and he’s blaming New York’s SAFE Act restrictions on assault weapons. “It can’t be good,” said Fran Madore, president of United Mine Workers Local 717, which represents 1,180 of the 1,300 Remington employees in Ilion. “How can it be good?”Madore said plant officials told him they wanted to meet with him Monday. They did not say what they wanted to talk about, but Madore said he assumes it will be about the company’s reported plans to open a 500,000-square-foot manufacturing plant in Huntsville, Ala… Madore said he’s worried the company will move jobs out of Ilion, the Herkimer County village where the company has been making firearms since 1816.

-A failing newspaper in Connecticut called for state police to prosecute and incarcerate the hundreds of thousands of gun owners who refused to register their firearms and ammunition magazines.  This is in a state that already releases violent criminals due to prison overcrowding.  Our colleague David Codrea suggests Connecticut gun owners give the advertisers of the Hartford Courant a phone call and share their low opinion of the papers liberal editorials.  Dear listeners, there are many more of us than there are of them, so it is time Connecticut gun owners woke up and made themselves heard.
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Paul- Alabama Senator Scott Beason proposed a bill to allow drivers in Alabama to carry a loaded firearm in their car without a carry license.  Alabama currently permits unloaded carry in cars, but Senator Beason’s bill extends the castle doctrine to a person’s automobile — the thought being that you may have nowhere to retreat if you’re attacked in your car.

Rob -In the last step of the legislative process, the Virginia State Senate repealed a 19th Century Blue Law that outlawed hunting on Sunday. The House of Delegates passed the bill in January, but the bill now goes to Gov. Terry McAuliffe to be signed into law. The legislation allows Sunday hunting on private land during designated hunting seasons by hunters who have the written permission of landowners.

Why are states involved with this in the first place?

-Georgia lawmakers are discussing a change in airport regulations.  Concealed carry license holders would receive a warning and be asked to leave the secure area of the airport if they approach airport security screening with an undeclared firearm in their luggage.  One out of a million passengers at Atlanta’s Hartsfield airport forgets they have a firearm with them.  Airport security officials have arrested both politicians and clergy members who were then charged with a misdemeanor.  Former speaker of the State House, Terry Coleman, was arrested last year when security screeners found a pistol in his briefcase.  The bill probably won’t pass.. without your help.

You and I know where our guns are.  What about every round and shell casing?  How about an empty magazine you left in your briefcase if you carry at work?

-Also in Georgia a House bill which would expand the places where licensed individuals can carry a gun.  House Bill 875 passed after an emotional debate.  The vote was 119 to 56. The bill now goes to the Georgia Senate.  The bill applies to people over 21 years of age with a Georgia weapons license.  They would be allowed to carry in churches and bars that are not posted.  They could also carry in airports up to the security checkpoint and some public buildings with no security checkpoint. College campuses are not  included, but a weapons license holder caught with a gun on campus would only be subject to up to a $100 fine with no jail time. The bill also allows public school system to train and arm any staff members who volunteers. It also prohibits compiling and releasing a list of weapons license holders as some other states have done.

I wish I lived in Georgia so I could call my state senator.

-Florida respects gun owners.  That doesn’t stop south Florida cities from asking the state to define requirements for backyard gun ranges.  State law says you can fire from your backyard so long as the activity is not negligent or reckless.  There are no limits specifying distance from a property line, distance from a school or hours of operation.

-Since the Newtown tragedy, 7 states allow teachers to arm themselves and more are considering it this year.  Buckeye Firearms says that armed school staff are making a significant difference in keeping our schools safe. Buckeye Firearms spent $140,000 in the past year on training 150 teachers and other school officials, putting each of them through a 3 day training course.   According to Jim Irvine, President of Buckeye Firearms over 20 schools in the state currently have armed staff.  Great job Ohio and Buckeye Firearms!

Can other states learn from them before the next school tragedy?

-California is a strange state.  Eight Los Angeles police officers will not be disciplined after they fired 103 rounds at two unarmed women who were delivering newspapers from their car.  One of the officers thought the sound of the papers hitting the driveway was a gunshot, and then the other officers joined in the assault.  The unarmed mother and daughter received 4.2 million dollars from the Los Angeles taxpayers.  That is about 41 thousand dollars per shot.

Rob- Yep, there are laws for LA cops and there are separate laws for you and me.

Rob- In Texas it looks like Democrats are breaking the law in an attempt to turn the state blue. According to Breitbart when the Democrats sign up a new voter they keep that voters information, including telephone number and then make sure that on election day that that person gets out to vote. That in and of itself doesn’t sound too bad right? Except that that is against Texas election laws.

Paul -Two Minnesota police organizations have sued the National Football League, claiming that a policy prohibiting guns in football stadiums violates a state law by infringing on the right of off-duty police to carry weapons.  Since last September, NFL policy prohibits firearms in any league facilities, including team offices and practice facilities as well as stadiums. The only exceptions are for law enforcement officers that are specifically assigned to work at NFL games.  The lawsuit by the Minnesota Police and Peace Officers Association and Police Officers Federation of Minneapolis claims the NFL policy puts members of the public at an unnecessary risk by prohibiting licensed, off-duty police officers from carrying their weapons inside stadiums and parking lots.

Can you think of the last time an off duty police officer started a gunfights at an NFL game?

Rob: Gun Quotes
When liberty is taken away by force, it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default, it can never be recovered. — DOROTHY THOMPSON

Paul: Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Joe Chetwood, the gun doctor.
Do indirect piston systems help reliability? Only if the gun is unreliable in the first place. A well designed/manufactured firearm doesn’t need it. Some do.
Can you have too much rifling twist in your rifle barrel? Yes. There is an optimum twist rate for each bullet weight.
Can I use button mounts for a sling on a synthetic stock Ruger 10-22. Yes, but it might take some work.
V3 H&K ?? Can I swap out the trigger? There are liability issues. The H&K and FN don’t lend themselves to reliable trigger jobs. Some triggers are afterthoughts.
I’m getting some slop in my RIA 1911 rail to frame fit. Custom guns are tight. Tight guns won’t run in a dirty environment. Don’t worry until you notice a decrease in accuracy.
Can I retrofit a shorter trigger? Yes, you can find a trigger assembly with a shorter shoe.
Torus- PT92AF One out of 20 shots won’t cycle. This could be from low power ammo, a tight fit, try hotter ammo. Have a gunsmith put in a lighter main spring.
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More Joe Chetwood, the gun doctor
Mosin-Nagant has trouble extracting a fired round. Look at the chamber. Surface roughness can cause the case to bind. Clean really well with a chamber brush before you try to polish the chamber. You could have lacquer buildup from lacquer painted steel case ammo. See a gunsmith if cleaning doesn’t solve the problem.

I took my Beretta 75 to the range. A friend said the front sight was filed down. Can the front sight be replaced?  No. You’d need a new barrel. This is a smaller pistol that Beretta has not made in years.

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DGU A Detroit family was robbed only two weeks ago.  Someone tried again this week, but this time it was caught on video and the Detroit mom was ready with her rifle.  She was home with her two small children when three teenagers kicked in her door Monday night.  She grabbed her firearm and told them to leave because she had a gun.  They said, “no you don’t” and she proved them wrong.  The three ran away after she fired, and one of the intruders dropped his pistol in the snow.  He picked up his pistol and tried to enter the house a second time.  The homeowner fired again and this time the thief stayed away.  All three teenagers were apprehended by police.

The reports indicate she missed twice.  I think she needs some practice because the criminals didn’t get the message the first time.

DGU A Bell County, Texas man faced a pair of burglars early Monday.  22 year old Elijah Wong was awakened by family members at about 2 AM.  They told him that someone was trying to break into their home. The power was cut off as Wong walked to the kitchen.  Someone kicked in the back door and Wong fired twice at the man.  Wong then scared off a second man who was trying to break in through the front door.  Law enforcement found a man in the front yard who had been shot in the arm, and also detained his accomplice.

COP DGU- Well this was a Valentine’s day dinner they won’t forget.  An intoxicated patron at the Aroyo Cafe in Stockton California drew a handgun and threatened to kill everyone.  The restaurant emptied as hundreds of customers flooded out the doors, except for off duty police officer Joe Silva.  Silva is the public affairs officer for the Stockton PD, but this time he was making news rather than sharing it with reporters.  Silva drew his own firearm and arrested the man.. potentially saving dozens of lives.

The patrons at the restaurant were probably disarmed by county law.  Stockton is in San Joaquin County, and is May Issue rather than a Shall issue County.  Thank god for a good man with a gun.

DGU- This is sad news from Florida. A west Palm Beach man came home from lunch and found a young man going through his gun collection.  The juvenile was placing several of the firearms on a blanket to take them from the home.  The juvenile pointed one of the guns at the homeowner who then fought with the juvenile.  The homeowner shot the juvenile several times.  The juvenile was taken to the hospital where he later died.  The young man was on probation at the time of this robbery.

DGU- According to the Pasco County, Florida Sheriff’s Office, a chiropractor acted in a self-defense when he shot a man who came into his office Monday morning.  Jaime Velez brought a gun to the doctor’s office  before a dispute started.  Velez was shot several times by the doctor and the Sheriff’s office considers it self-defense.  Velez is listed in critical but stable condition.

DGU- Earlier this month, an Ossipee, New Hampshire homeowner faced a pair of robbers.  Armed with a knife, James Brooks entered a home and demanded money from the homeowner.  The homeowner grabbed a gun and fired at Brooks and his accomplice.  Brooks was arrested this week after police received tips about his location.  Ossipee police said they have a long history with Brooks, who has faced previous charges in connection with drugs and violent acts.  This time Brooks was charged with burglary, armed robbery, trespass, threatening and reckless driving. He is being held without bail.

A small-caliber pistol in a pocket holster is better than a full-caliber gun in the nightstand.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Greg from Bremmerton wrote in and shared this article: http://www.examiner.com/article/new-playbook-same-goal-masking-gun-control  The gist of the article seems to be that a super PAC is getting together and making a huge push for anti-gun candidates this fall in Washington state. They produced a 90 minute webinar a few days ago on how to push their anti-gun adgenda. Oh yeah, and this should surprise on one, the group is from Washington… Not Washington the state, Washington DC.

Also Greg sent in a DGU story:  Story 1:POULSBO — A man was shot during an argument early Sunday at a Poulsbo, Washington home.  At 3:33AM a.m., Kitsap County Sheriff’s Office patrol deputies and detectives, and a Poulsbo Fire Department medic unit were sent to a home in the 23800 block and found several people there.

A woman had allegedly been sexually assaulted by a man she knew and was taken to Harrison Medical Center in Bremerton by a private party to be examined. In the meantime, the suspect was reportedly shot by another man during an argument about the alleged sexual assault, according to the Sheriff’s Office.

The aid unit took him to Harrison where his injuries aren’t considered life-threatening. The 32-year-old man was charged with third-degree rape yesterday.

Later, A man who was shot early Sunday during a birthday party at a Moorgate Place home was booked into jail Monday on suspicion of second-degree rape.  After the homeowner’s live-in fiancée took the alleged rape victim, a 44-year-old woman, to Harrison Medical Center in Bremerton to be examined, an argument broke out at the home at about 3:30 a.m.

The homeowner, who was much smaller than the rape suspect, felt threatened and shot him with a handgun, which another guest had brought, unloaded and stashed in a safe place, according to Kitsap County sheriff’s spokesman Scott Wilson. The homeowner knew where the gun was and retrieved it when he felt threatened.

Deputies questioned and released the shooter at the home, determining the shooting was justified. The final determination will be up to the county prosecutor. The alleged rapist, a 32-year-old Bremerton man, was taken to Harrison in Bremerton. He’s now in Kitsap County Jail with bail of $100,000.

This story was edited to correct the age of the alleged victim.

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We’re experimenting with the show all the time. We started responding to comments as we record, and let us know if you like that. Please send us an e-mail to tell us anything you like or dislike. You can contact the show by e-mail. Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us. Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in Centerton Arkansas in early March.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Rob: Listen to other podcasts on  the Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Paul: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

since the Canadians are listening CSa and nfa

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Paul: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 210 – Bob Owens and Anthony Colandro

Seg 1

Catch up with each participant
Paul: We’re joined by Rachel Malone.
Rachel: Getting ready for 2A lobbying at the Texas State political conventions. Help set the tone at the primary rather than the general.
Rob: I remembered where I keep my guns, and put them on so I’d remember what it feels like. That is dry practice. Sort of.
Paul: Doing the firearms twostep as I drive from state to state. Leaving Illinois and heading to Georgia.
Tom: Bought a Ruger Mk I but have not shot it yet. I’m going to leave the show. I’ll tell you when I announce my new projects. I’m excited about the Polite Society meeting in two weeks. I’ll shoot either my Springfield XD or Baby Eagle. Both are 40 cal.
Break

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Seg 2- News
Tom: This article on police no-knock raids is from the Washington Post which included videos of a raid that took place in Des Moines, Iowa.  The homeowner was accused of credit card fraud.  He was sitting in the bathroom when his door was broken in.  He drew his firearm, heard the police announce themselves, re-holstered his weapon and sat back down to wait for the police.
The homeowner says he didn’t hear the police announcement until after one officer had already tried to kick in the door. Had that officer been successful in entering the first time, there’s a good chance that the homeowner, the police officer, or both would be dead. The police department would then have argued that the homeowner should have known that the people crashing into his home were law enforcement. Excuse me?!

The police can not simultaneously argue that these violent entries are necessary to take suspects by surprise and also claim the surprised suspects should not react violently because they already know they are being raided police rather than criminals. That line of pure propaganda is exactly what the police are selling. When citizens are injured, that is the propaganda that most prosecutors and judges are buying.

Des Moines police said they “do not have a written policy governing how search warrants are executed.” The Washington Post said that’s inexcusable.

Rachel -One Texas grand jury isn’t buying the no-knock excuses any more.  The grand jury in Burleson County refused to issue an indictment for murder after a drug dealer shot and killed a deputy during a no-knock raid.  The defendant, Henry Goedrich Magee was indicted on drug charges.  Magee said he thought the deputy was burglarizing their home and that Magee and his pregnant girlfriend were being robbed.

As a purely practical matter, it appears that Magee was growing several marijuana plants in his backyard.  That evidence wasn’t going to fit down the toilet while the police are knocking on the front door and presenting a warrant.

Rob – I guess I could mail in this news article.  The US senate took a baby step towards freedom when they required the US post office to allow firearms in their parking lots.  There has never been a federal law preventing guns in post offices, but the US post office has established its own regulations denying you arms.. and they have more lawyers than we do.

Paul:  But not more lawyers than the US senate.

Paul: -This is a case of putting your hands and feet where your heart guides you. Guns for Everyone was founded in 2010 as a joke.. until lawmakers in the Colorado legislature decided to write so many anti-gun laws.  Then, Guns for Everyone started offering free firearms training.  Their free training includes free kids handgun safety classes, and some of the classes are taught BY youngsters.  “What better way for kids to learn than with the help of other kids. These classes are also supervised by an NRA Certified Instructor.”  The class outline is pretty serious.

  • Handgun Rules and Etiquette
  • Handgun Safety
  • Fundamentals of Shooting
  • The kids get to shoot simulated guns

Their website is Concealed Carry for Free.com

Rachel: – Another piece of good news from Colorado, a bill received bi-partisan approval for CCW permit renewals in the county where you live.  Before it was the county where the permit was issued, so licensees could have quite a drive if they moved across the state.

Tom: -Two good Samaritans in Florida were trying to do a kid a favor by offering him a ride.  They quickly found themselves the victims of an attempted armed robbery or carjacking.

From the back seat of the car, Adrian Mangual-Ayala put a gun to their heads and threatened to kill the driver and passenger if they didn’t give him money.  The driver stopped the car and gave Ayala his money.  That is when the passenger jumped in the backseat and disarmed Manguel-Ayala, beating him so badly that his eye swelled shut.  The two good samaritans then held the gunman until the police arrived.  Authorities arrested 16 year old Mangual-Ayala on two counts of robbery with a firearm, unlawful possession of a firearm as well as violation of probation.

It isn’t a DGU, but I wanted to share a story with a happy ending.  Next time, carry concealed.

Rob: – Here is another Florida story with a happy ending, and it IS gun related.  Less than a week after Florida Carry filed its lawsuit, Eastern Florida State College revised its regulations to allow firearms in private vehicles on campus.  Florida Carry won a similar suit last December against the University of North Florida.  The reason these schools settled so fast is that Florida state law grants financial penalties against public entities and individuals who violate the rights of gun and defensive weapon owners.  Thank you, Florida Legislature and keep it up Florida Carry.

Paul: – Dennis Baxley is a Republican state representative in Florida.  He introduced a bill to protect children from being expelled due to educators “zero tolerance” of anything shaped like a gun in schools.  The representative calls it the “Pop-Tart Bill” after students were suspended for eating a corner of a poptart.

The bill would prohibit schools from taking disciplinary action for a range of possible infringements including vocalizing gun sounds, using hands to simulate a weapon, possessing a toy firearm made of legos, possessing a toy firearm that is smaller than two inches in length, and possessing a food item that resembles a firearm in shape.  The bill has received the support of the Florida House education Subcommittee which includes several educators and at least one Democrat.

Rachel: -South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley said she is eager to sign a bill working its way through the legislature to allow licensed gun owners to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol, though they can not consume while carrying.  Restraunt owners have the right to prohibit firearms in their businesses, but Governor Haley said she’d allow guns in if she owned a bar.

I knew there was a reason I like South Carolina.  South Carolina listeners should make a few phone calls and get that bill on the Governor’s desk.

Tom: Darn it, now I have to choose between South Carolina and Florida.  Nicki Goser help get the laws changed in Tennessee.

Rob: Did you know that the records of Florida license holders are NOT open to the public?  Plus-one for Florida.

Rachel: What about Texas?

Jump to Break:

Tom: Then how about New Mexico where a State Senate panel rejected a bill restricting firearms in the New Mexico Capitol. The Rules Committee voted 4-2 Wednesday against a measure that would have banned firearms, except by law enforcement officers, in the Senate chambers, galleries and committee rooms.

Rob: – Things aren’t so rosy in California.  U.S. District Judge Kimberly J. Mueller, an Obama appointed judge, will review California’s microstamping law as early as next week.  The state law demands civilian firearms must leave a unique mark on each shell casing.  Manufacturers say they can’t guarantee the microstamping, but the California Department of Justice and Attorney General Kamala Harris say the solution is to prohibit sales of all non-complying guns.  They state claims they didn’t outlaw the guns, they simply made requirements so no guns can be sold in the state.

There is stupid, and then there is California Stupid.. and I live there.

Paul: -This politician is telling the truth.  John Tkazyik, the mayor of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., said he quit the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns after he realized its objective was outright confiscation of firearms from law-abiding citizens.  “Under the guise of helping mayors facing a crime and drug epidemic, MAIG intends to promote confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens,” Tkazyik wrote in a Wednesday column in the Poughkeepsie Journal.  Mayor Tkazyik is one of about 50 mayors who left Illegal Mayors Against Guns.

Rachel: -This came item came from listener David Cole.  It is hard enough to become a commercial pilot.  It is doubly difficult to earn the right to fly armed for the defense of the aircraft, passengers and crew.  The Armed Pilots Program is one of the most rigorous, stringent and exclusive programs to put firearms in the hands of civilians, but that is the model Joe Kalil selected when he wanted to bring armed self-defense to public and private schools.  The project is called P.O.S.T. for Protect Our Students and Teachers, and it is a layered defense against an active murderer on school grounds.    Experts on public violence have moved far beyond the model of huddle and pray, but some school administrators remain stuck in the past.  The basics of the POST program include; only accept volunteers from school staff, pass initial interviews, background checks, drug tests, a polygraph test, and applicants must possess a state license to carry concealed.  That is before the several day training course begins.

Here is the good part.  This a non-political grass roots program that says we should remove the school board members who want to leave our children defenseless.  The program is initially directed at Kentucky schools, but could grow across the country.  Interested listeners should check out postky.org

Rob: I spoke with Joe Kalil.  Liability is not really an issue.

Tom: Gun Quotes
“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.” written 1700 years ago by the theologian Saint Augustine (Au-GUS-tin) of Hippo

Rob: We have two interviews coming up.  The first is Bob Owens talking about the terrible politicization of Connecticut gun laws.  The second is Anthony Colandro running for the NRA board of directors.

Paul: Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this.
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Segment 3  Interview with Bob Owens who writes at Bearing Arms.com
Interview with Anthony Colandro who owns Gun For Hire Range in Woodland Park, New Jersey  and is running for the NRA board of directors.

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob: DGU1- by an off duty officer.  Robert Lundy was at the wrong place at the wrong time.  He was at the local ford dealership in Taylor county Florida so his police car could be serviced.  A fifteen year employee of the dealership came in and started shooting people with a shotgun.  (Joe Biden, take note.)  Officer Lundy shot the madman within a minute and prevented a massacre.   Thank goodness there was a good man with a gun in the right place at the right time.

Rachel: DGU2- A DeKalb County, Georgia, woman came home early Tuesday and found two teenagers in her home.  Better late than never, she grabbed her gun.  One teen ran out the back door and the other tackled her to the ground. The woman fired several shots, but no one was injured.  , according to police. A neighbor’s security camera captured the teens, and the woman was able to lead police to the suspects.  DeKalb County police arrested a 16-year-old and a 17-year-old, whose names were not released.  “They were skipping school today,” Capt. Stephen Fore said.

Paul: You can share the show with a friend by sending them the link to our download page. You can also share any of our news or DGUs. We have the links to each article online at Polite Society Podcast.com
Segment 5 Show close
Tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson talking about cold weather carry.

Listener e-mail discussion
Paul: From Marc in Ohio
Guys,
I am a father of four girls with a baby on the way. I just listened to the Bold Departure Podcast episode with you guys as guests. Thank you guys for having a very frank discussion. Kids require parenting not legislation.
I’m going to expose my method of firearm instruction for my kids. My kids’ ages are 13, 11, 8 and 5. All of them shoot to some degree. The youngest doesn’t even aim but she enjoys some trigger time. They all shoot .22 pistols and rifles. My 13 year old started shooting the .40 caliber pistol last year. They all shoot the AR. I realize our vice president’s opinion of the AR is it’s difficult to shoot but my 5 year old does just fine. All my girls have their own safety glasses and hearing protection. None of them have ever been forced to shoot. When I announce I’m headed out to shoot Who ever speaks up gets to come. Sometimes all of them come sometimes only one will come. Occasionally they ask me to take them shooting.
Play guns have no rules at our house. They are toys and are used as such. Real guns have rules. My rule is the girls can handle any gun they want any time they want. The catch is mom or dad must make it safe first. Once in awhile one of the kids gets the itch to hold one of my EDC guns. They ask to hold it. I make it safe and hand it to them. I watch their muzzle discipline with amazement. They all understand the potential energy of firearms. They respect them and enjoy the shooting.
I was asked recently by my youngest to look at my Glock 22. I removed the mag and locked the slide back. I handed it to her. My 5 year old pointed the pistol at the ground, turned her body and raised the muzzle towards the field in back of the house. She makes some shooting noises. She will point the muzzle back at the floor and turn to hand it back to me. It’s amazing to see.
My kids see myself and their mother every day. There is no curiosity to be satisfied. They can touch any weapon they want any time it’s made safe. Just to make sure we don’t misjudge, all firearms are on our person or in the safe.

I have a great story to share. A police officer friend tells me about a ground hog in his back yard. He decided he needed to shoot this ground hog. He retrieved his service rifle from his cruiser. When he walked through his home carrying his M-16 his 10 year old daughter gasp in fear. She assumed terrible things were going to happen with daddy carrying that scary gun. In contrast, when I walk through my house carrying an AR I usually hear cheers and chants of, “Can I Come”. My kids know it’s time to go shooting!

Keep representing gun owners in a positive light.
Marc in Ohio.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Tom: That’s 605- 215- 1438 and we sprinkled salt on it so the answering machine has more traction.

Tom: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in early March.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Tom: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Colorado Second Amendment Association, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Paul, That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 103 – News and Cornered Cat Quick Tip #12

On this episode we have news from throughout the country and The Cornered Cat Quick Tip #12

News links:

Zimmerman Trial

New Gun Group

Colorado Sheriff says state tells him to break the law

Veto override in Illinois?

Background check violations almost never prosecuted.

Commit any felonies lately?

Postal Service tracks your mail.

Picture Toby talked about

 

Episode 78b – Shot Show Day 2

This episode we have interviews with 3 different coordinators of the rallys in the states coming up. Also an interview with Jason White of the NASCAR Camping World Truck Series. Finally all 5 of us get together for a talk about our first experiences at Shot Show.

Episode 60 – GRPC 2012 Orlando

In today’s show we we have the debut of Mick Swagger in the guns and gear segment and lots of interviews and audio from the Gun Rights Policy Conference that wrapped up last weekend in Orlando.

 

Guest links

Project Appleseed

Fran Becker

Florida Carry

No Lawyers Only Guns and Money

Truckerguns.net

Second Amendment Society

Review pictures

 

 

 

 

Episode 59a – GRPC 2012 Bar Stool Discussion meets Politics and Guns

In this episode Paul Lathrop Mark Vanderberg, Shane Thurston, and Eric Royce met after the closing of the Gun Rights Policy Conference 2012 and talked about the weekend in the grand tradition of the Bar Stool Discussion.

Warning in the making of this episode several adult beverages were harmed, and much humor was given out. This is not your every day Politics and Guns show. Grab a cold one of your own, kick back and enjoy!

 

Episode 45 – Fast and Furious is starting to move

Fast and furious news plus news from Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, and Florida.

Sen Cornyn demands Holder resign.

Blogger Vanderboegh reports ‘game changer’ DOJ whistleblowers have come forward

Story on political contributions

Leesburg changes gun policy after lawsuit by Florida Carry

AG Holder Sends Rep. Issa Letter Concerning ‘Fast and Furious’ Meeting

Ohio House gives gun-rights advocates another win

Gun Protest Rallies More Gun Rights Advocates

MORE KILLED IN CHICAGO THIS YEAR THAN AFGHANISTAN

Episode 26 – April 9, 2012

A TON of state news, a little national news, and I get a little personal.

Listen here

Links to stories mentioned in episode 26:

NBC Fires Producer Who Created False Zimmerman Audio

State’s gun laws have holes in them

West Virginia Governor Signs Three Pro-Gun Bills Into Law

BAE Systems and the Army Developing Non-Newtonian Fluid Body Armor

Concealed-carry law returns to Ill. General Assembly

At least 4 killed, 19 hurt in weekend gun violence

Two arrested in shootings of black people in Oklahoma

California Senate and Assembly Committees to Hear Firearm-Related Bills Tomorrow

George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin case will not go to grand jury

Gun rights advocate and former Obama colleague: President used to treat him as ‘evil’

One in Every 17 Floridians Can Carry a Concealed Gun

DC city councilman Marion Barry defends himself: ‘God gave me a great brain’