Episode 226 – Roadgunner Podcast

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, April fifth, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and tonight we have an interview with The Un-Named Trucker of the Roadgunner Podcast
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have news, DGUs, and listeners sent in some e-mails for us to talk over, so climb aboard.
John: strap in.
Paul: and hang on! Episode 226 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now. Show intro music.

Seg 1 Personal news from each participant Rob- John and I were going to run this show by ourselves, but Paul made it home. Excuse me while I tell the dancing girls they can’t be on the shoot this time. I dry practiced during the week because I knew I’d shoot a steel competition today. I also helped a couple shop for a new gun. She has small hands. His are large. She wants to concealed carry. He wants to compete. Somebody not gonna be happy. I also received one e-mail from a listener to meet at the NRA convention, and one e-mail asking if I’d speak at a local gun group.

John – After 3 months, I got rid of the boot cast on my broken ankle and have switched to a brace. It looks like I’ll be able to go to the range again! I wouldn’t wish this on my worst enemies even if they were gun prohibitionists.

Rob- John, you are a generous man.

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John – In sad news, Otis McDonald, Second Amendment champion and lead plaintiff in the case that bears his name, McDonald v. Chicago, died Friday after a long fight against cancer. He was 79. Mr. McDonald is survived by his wife Laura and their children; Chandra, Sheila, Jessie Marie and Dorsey, and several grandchildren. He was preceded in death by his son Kelvin.

Richard Pearson of the Illinois State Rifle Association may have said it best when he wrote, “I have always considered Otis as one of those people who lived everyday bravely and was not a hero because of one event but was a hero every day of his life.” Godspeed Mr. McDonald and may your soul rest in peace.

Rob- James Kaleda raised over $7500 dollars, but less than half the hoped for amount to fund his legal defense against New Jersey State Police.  Some of you asked to meet me at the NRA convention.  I’m going to ask you if you donated, so you might want to reconsider.  In short, I’m disappointed.

Paul -Chicago’s murder rate for the first three months of 2014 was the lowest since 1958. Six fewer people were murdered than in the same time frame in 2013 – a 9 percent drop – and 55 fewer murders than 2012, according to Chicago Police. There were 90 fewer shootings and 119 fewer shooting victims, over a 25 percent reduction.  Is it coincidence that concealed carry has come to Chicago?


Rob -Last week California Democrat Senator Leland Yee was charged.  This week Senator Yee and 26 others were indicted by a federal grand jury.  They will be arraigned on Tuesday of next week.  Yee is charged with six counts of scheming to defraud citizens by allegedly soliciting and taking campaign contributions in exchange for political favors.  Yee continues to receive his full salary from the California Senate.


John-TEXAS- The Texas Senate scheduled a surprise hearing on open carry.  This is short notice, as in THIS MONDAY MORNING, April 7th at 8:30 AM.  This is your chance to be heard, so be there is you live in the Austin Area.  More information is available at Texas Firearms Freedom.  http://www.texasfirearmsfreedom.com/

Paul-Also in Texas and short notice, gun advocacy group Open Carry Texas will hold a rally at a San Antonio Police substation Sunday at 1pm following what the organization says was an illegal arrest last weekend of one of its members.

Henry Vichique, 19 [sic], was taken into custody for violating the city ordinance that says, in part, that it is illegal “to carry a loaded rifle or shotgun on any public street.” Open Carry Texas believes the ordinance violates state law. The officer said he was going to follow him home to make sure he got there safely and that Vichique was not under arrest. But when Vichique acknowledged his weapon was loaded, a sergeant told the officers over the radio that a crime was committed, according to a police report. Officers then told Vichique they were going to grab his gun, which he said they couldn’t do. Vichique “made it clear he was not going to hand it over” and was subsequently stunned with a Taser, the police report states. He had five live rounds in the rifle, police noted.


Rob- Rachel, you get busy and Texas goes all to hell.  Why aren’t you here to read this?

Rob- Ares (AIR -ECE) Armor was raided by ATF agents last month after Ares secured a judge’s restraining order against the feds.  Ares scheduled a protest at the local ATF office in Carlsbad, California next Saturday, April 12th from 2 to 5 pm.  You can go to the Ares Armor website, their facebook page, or our show notes for a link.  I’ll be there.  If you listen to the podcast, please say Hi.

John- Here are two gun quotes written over 500 years old from Niccolo Machiavelli.

“There never was a new prince who has disarmed his subjects.  Rather, when he has found them disarmed, the prince has always armed them, because, by arming them, those arms become (his).

“When you disarm the people, you commence to offend them and show that you distrust them either through cowardice or lack of confidence, and both of these opinions generate hatred.”

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Seg 3 Interview with Chaz, the un-named chucker.
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Segment 4 DGUs

John – The first DGU from a Chicago resident with an Illinois concealed carry permit happened early this morning. Two men dressed in hoodies accosted a man as he was walking from his garage to the door of his home around 2:40am. One of them pulled a firearm and the homeowner pulled his own firearm and fired several shots. It doesn’t appear that either of the criminals were injured but more importantly neither was the homeowner. After the shooting, police responded and determined that the man was shooting in self-defense. The man had a valid firearm owner’s identification card, a valid concealed carry permit and police were able to determine that he had completed a required concealed carry class and was properly trained, CPD News Affair Officer Michael Sullivan said.

The man is not facing charges as police search for the two males, described as a tall male and a short male. Those two face charges.

Paul-A resident who lives just south of Slone lake area of Denver Colorado shot and killed a man wednesday.  The homeowner said he shot when the man lunged at him after discovering the intruder taking things from his home.  The intruder was identified as Dwayne Kelly, age 52.  Kelly has a lengthy criminal history including burglary, domestic violence and resisting arrest, according to Colorado Bureau of Investigation records.  The homeowner was not charged by police. http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25378523/man-fatally-shot-possible-self-defense-incident-identified

rob- A northeast Eugene, Oregon resident armed himself with a pistol and chased off two men who were trying to rob his home.  The incident was reported at 2:12 a.m. after the homeowner looked out his window and noticed a van parked with its headlights on. The man grabbed a .357 revolver.  Two men reportedly stepped inside the house, but turned and ran after the home’s resident pointed the gun at them.  The homeowner chased them a short distance.


(You’ve done what you can do.  If you wanted more evidence for police then you should buy a video security system, but don’t chase the bad guys once they leave your home.)

John -A wanted felon is back behind bars in Stephens County, Georgia.  The felon was fleeing from a Georgia Department of Natural Resources ranger when the felon rushed toward a woman working in her yard.  Evidently she felt threatened and drew her handgun and fired one round near him.  The felon fled in the opposite direction and was captured by County Sheriff Deputies. http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=273269

(“Warning shots” are not a good idea.)

Paul -A wheelchair bound gun owner defended himself in Moore, Oklahoma.  An intruder jumped into his yard while Steven Ferguson was working in his sunroom.  Steve says he turned to see the intruder draw a firearm, and that is when Steve drew his and fired.  The shot shattered his back window, but the intruder jumped back over his fence and ran into an empty field.  “Shooting at someone is not fun.”


Rob- A woman answered her door with gun in hand, and she is glad she did.  This homeowner lives between Selma and Montgomery Alabama, an her house is several hundred feet from the paved road.  It was also after midnight when 18 year old Mike Smith knocked on the front door and claimed he needed help with his broken car.  Smith forced his way into the home as the homeowner approached the door, knocking the homeowner to the ground.  Smith was armed with a knife.  The homeowner fired her handgun several times.

Smith was found 30 feet from the front door, having been dragged most of that distance.  Police picked up Bryan Vance as an accomplice to burglary and Smith’s death.  Police explained that it appears the homeowner was protecting herself and her niece and would not face charges


John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rob- Email #1
With regards to the discussion on video games and violence last episode: I want to see a study on video games and violence that factors in the effects of social isolation. I know from personal experience (I was bullied in middle school. Boo-hoo, pity me, right?) that social isolation makes kids withdraw from other people, and video games are a convenient escape. Most popular video games are violent, partly because we play video games to experience things we can’t do in reality (sports games aren’t popular because it’s pretty easy to go out and play football, for example). Socially isolated individuals who are heavily bullied are likely to lash out (Columbine was explicitly a response to social isolation and bullying, and most other mass murderers were bullied loners). Therefore, you see a correlation between violent video games and violent behavior. As we all know, correlation does not equal causation though – Both violence and playing of video games could be caused by social isolation and bullying.

Also, you referenced religion being an antidote to violence. This is quite the hornet’s nest, so I’ll just poke it gently by saying that 9/11, the crusades, thousands of murders of gays in america and across the world, and other atrocities are religiously motivated, too. Religion is a powerful tool that can be used to convince someone, partly because faith, by definition, can often bypass logic and evidence. This tool can be used for good or evil, much like guns. Religion isn’t inherently bad, but can be easily twisted towards evil by cultists and extremists.

Thanks for putting out the podcast, and keep asking the hard questions!

Email #2 (Paul wants this one)
Why do you have an email? I’ve emailed you on several different occasions about different things and you never email back

John – Email #3
Paul & Crew,
Just dropping you a note to say keep up the good work. I enjoy the show and info you all give to us on a bi-weekly basis. Although a few of the staff has left in recent months the group you have put together is equally informative and entertaining. Once again, keep up the good work & I’ll give Susan all the credit for seeing to it that the show goes off without a hitch.
Troy & Gwen Starkey

Paul- Email #4 Email string about Trek podcast. I had emailed Ken thanking him for the recommendation.

YAY! So happy I did some good. I’m not even that big a Trek Fan, but love what these guys are doing.
Ken S.
PS Just joined NRA last week. Just bought my first gun, ever, on Thursday. (Ruger LCP)

Listener voice mail from Mark in Ohio-
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Rob’s paraphrase ‘Lots of Mass murderers play video games. They also drink milk. That said, I don’t let my girls play violent video games. My family shoots and my youngsters know firearms are both real and dangerous.”

Rob- Mark, It is nice to hear you and thank you for sending your voicemail. I think you’re doing a good job raising your children. I think you’re doing a bad job with statistics. We compare those who play video games with those who don’t. The more violent imagery children see, the more violent behavior we observe in them.

Think of video games as a cumulative mental poison.
Mark, I can send you some physical poison in a medicine bottle. It tastes sweet so your kids will like it. They might like it a lot and ask for it. I know this poison won’t kill everyone with every dose. Odds are it won’t hurt them at all this time, but the odds are absolutely certain it will kill some. The fact that this poison did not make YOU sick THIS TIME does not mean it won’t sicken many people.

Do you really want to give poison to your children and find out? You, Mark, already answered that question for you and your family. I’ll repeat what I said before; I like your answer.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.


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Paul: That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is in Richmond Virginia on April 12 and 13.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts you want to mention from your SlowFacts blog?

Rob: I do. My message is that you gun owners rock!  The gun culture is growing despite the smears from the main stream media and millions of dollars from anti-gun politicians.  The article is called Gun Culture Turns the Tide.  It is on Clash Daily, Ammoland and my blog.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Robl: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network.

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

John: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,  Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware, and we’ll see you down the road.