Episode 238 – Memorial Day and Frank Fiamingo

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Personal news from each participant
Paul- Memorial day
Paul- mag 40 and the bucket list

John- I’m wearing my CalGuns Tee in honor of their latest lawsuit against Kamala Harris. I’d like to also like to remember those who have died in the service of our country. Without their sacrifice – and that of their families – we wouldn’t be the nation that we are.

Rachel- Last weekend, I visited the Silencer Shop here in Austin along with a friend who was picking up a suppressor he’s been waiting for five or six months. This week, a friend suggested I take a stress-relieving trip to the range (brilliant) – but the best I’ve been able to do is to wear my T-shirt that says “Bullets Make Me Happy” and dream about shooting cool guns.

Rob- I’m now an NRA pistol instructor. That was a long 2 day course, but it definitely changed my attitude. I took the course so I would be consistent and teach my friends. I changed my mind because I don’t want to be an average instructor even if I only teach a few friends. That means that I have to go back and unpack the class notes I just crammed. I have my reading set out for me for the next few weeks as I study and re-study the material. Second, we learn to teach by teaching. That means I have to work with and watch better instructors if I’m going to do justice to my students. I have to apprentice myself.

In the class I met a guy who makes custom holsters, so I have three new kydex holsters and mag pouches on order for my 22 handguns.

Today I visited a brand new firearms store with a laser training simulator in my town.

John, I still haven’t gotten to shoot the Mosin Nagant with Mojo sights. Did you see the pictures of the sights?Mojo sight rear

Gary –
Paul- Link to Mag 20 class schedule
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Rob- Have you guys seen the new episode of Colion Noir’s interview show called Noir on NRA Freestyle TV?  It stars Colion and Amy Robbins.  Episode two is out.  I’ll watch a few more episodes.

Comments- Why is this program about pop-culture and firearms important?

Paul- A murderer near the University of California at Santa Barbara killed for 10 minutes in streets filled with university students walking, biking and skateboarding in the beach community.  The murderer acted in a way that was similar to the threats he posted on a  YouTube video posted that same night. Seven people were killed in all, including the shooter.

During the statement by the murderer’s family’s attorney, it was revealed that the family is staunchly anti-gun and support gun control laws. Quote “This country, this world, needs to address mental illness and the ramifications from not recognizing these illnesses.”

Comment- Where have we seen this before?  Arapahoe High School, Colorado

Comment- Crazy people, particularly rich crazy people who want sex and resent their social awkwardness do a lot of damage when no one can stop them.

Comment- gun free zone in a “won’t issue” California county.

John- We told you about the Hinsdale Illinois eagle scout who was suspended for a day after he wore a shirt with an outline of a gun that advertised his shooting team.  Highschool senior Chris Borg spoke at the school board meeting.  Both the school board and the school administration were evasive enough to make my stomach turn.  The school said they would remove the suspension from Borg’s record.

Comment- Why is it important to publicly ridicule anti-gun bureaucrats?

Rachel- Remington Arms is moving another two of its firearms models from its Ilion, New York facility to its new plant in Huntsville, Alabama.  This includes its line of Bushmaster rifles and its 1911 handguns.  Federal legislators like New York Senator Charles Schumer and New York Governor Cuomo endorsed gun control, and then claimed it wouldn’t cost jobs.  It looks like the New York politicians were wrong again.. not that they care.  Ilion New York is closer to the Canadian border than it is to New York City.. and probably didn’t vote for them anyway.

Comment- Why does this matter to New York gun owners and New York voters?  Why does it matter to the rest of us outside NY?

Rob- My sheriff Bill Gore, the Sheriff of San Diego County, now says he wants the California Attorney General Kamala Harris to appeal the Peruta court decision.  Kamala Harris also said she did not want to be part of the Peruta case.. until the gun grabbers lost the case.  Originally Gore said he wanted to hand out carry licenses, but the law prevented it.  Then he said he would obey any decision handed down by the courts. Now he says he wants someone else to appeal the case.  Sheriff Gore’s changing his story doesn’t surprise me at bit.  The only amendment Gore supports is the fifth.

Comment- What is the political cost if an incumbent Sheriff lies to his constituents?

John- This is what happens when corrupt anti-gun politicians can “interpret” the law in Colorado.  Sara Warren has her carry license.  She was in a traffic accident and the police collected her firearm from the EMTs.  Now, Sara can’t get her gun back because the Fort Collins city attorney won’t give it to her.  First the city attorney said they needed a background check, so Sara gave them all the information they needed.  Then the city attorney said they needed an FFL, so Sara brought along a police officer she knew who was an FFL and who would transfer her firearm back to her.  The anti-gun city attorney threatened to prosecute any officer who transferred the firearm to Sara Warren.

The police are allowed to temporarily hold a firearm for 72 hours without a transfer.  They should have returned her firearm at that time.  The Fort Collins city attorney only agreed to return her firearm when the press started pestering him.

Comment- Who is politically responsible for these decisions?  (The mayor or city council appointed Steve Roy as City Attorney.
Why is this important to Colorado gun owners?
Why is this important to all Colorado citizens?
Should Sara have reported the firearm stolen since it was taken by extra-legal means?

Rob- How many of you have heard about Doctor John Lott?  He wrote the books on guns and crime.  Books like “more guns less crime” and “The Bias Against Guns.”  Dr Lott digs out the anti-gun lies and destroys them root and branch.  I’ve read three of his books and shaken his hand at the GRPC conferences.  Dr. Lott started a research institute about guns and crime, and he wants to fund the institute with crowdsourcing.  Bloomberg dropped a few million dollars on a university so the purchased professors would spew out the anti-gun research papers that Mayor Mike wants.  Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor Lott.  I said we.  I did.  Now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Comments- Why is accurate research important to the right of self-defense?

John- Just because the Brady Campaign has been made largely irrelevant by Michael Bloomberg’s money and Everytown Moms for Illegal Guns doesn’t mean that they still can’t cause trouble. On Monday, they filed suit in conjunction with their NJ chapter to force the Acting Attorney General of New Jersey to file the required “personalized handgun” report. If the AG attests that a “smart gun” has been either offered for retail sale or that a manufacturer has delivered a production model of one to a FFL, then the 3-year clock starts. After that time ONLY “personalized handguns” will be allowed to be sold in the state of New Jersey. The timing of the filing of the suit came a day after Ernst Mauch who is the head of Armatrix had an op-ed in the Washington Post about “smart guns”.  While it could just be a coincidence, that is highly unlikely.

Comment- Rob- The legal tactic is called sue and settle.  A politician finds a special interest group to sue the state, and then the state offers no defense.  The presiding judge dictates the terms of the settlement.

Comment- What problem is the smart gun supposed to solve?
Comment- Why are LEOs exempt from the smart gun law?

Rachel – The CalGuns Foundation and Cal-FFL have filed suit against CA AG Kamala Harris in Sacramento Superior Court. Harris has recently issued a new interpretation of a long standing law in California which would limit those who have a FFL and a Cal DOJ Certificate of Eligibility to one handgun per month. This impacts those who have the Curios & Relics FFLs and a DOJ certificate. Harris is saying the exemption in the law to the 1 handgun in 30 limit is only for C&R handguns and not more modern handguns. Attorney Bradley Benbrook says this blocks individuals from exercising rights granted to them by the Legislature. The case is called Doe v. Harris.

Comment- What is the problem with Attorneys General adopting their own interpretation of standing law?

Paul- Rob had a rant about smart activism versus simply grabbing public attention.  Now the chain of Chipotle restaurants has asked citizens not to carry on their property.  The Denver-based company has traditionally complied with local laws regarding open and concealed firearms.  Guys, I’d ask you to carry concealed or carry smart.

Other businesses took a different approach.  “Dunkin’ Donuts and Baskin-Robbins restaurants are owned and operated by individual franchisees who are required to follow all federal, state and local laws with regard to firearms,” said a Dunkin’ Brands spokeswoman.

Rich Jeffers, director of communications at Darden Restaurants, the parent company of Olive Garden, Red Lobster and LongHorn Steakhouse said “Our approach has always been that we abide by all local and state laws.”

McDonald’s spokeswoman Lisa McComb said: “For franchisee-owned restaurants, operational decisions regarding open carry weapon laws are made by the independent franchisee.”

Comment – Shannon Watts and her minions are trolling the Internet looking for pictures of open carry in Texas. It doesn’t matter if it hasn’t been done in a year, she’ll try to make an issue of it. She posted year-old pictures of OC at a Smashburger even though they had to stop allowing open carry last year.

Rachel- Here in Texas, several open carry groups have made a joint statement calling their members to be responsible and wise as they exercise their right to open carry firearms. I applaud them for this self-regulation. Their new policies are designed to keep their stated mission in focus, and include instructions to notify law enforcement, use slings, leave a business quietly without a problem when asked to, and, when carrying inside a business, try to keep to local small businesses that are 2A friendly. While the Huffington Post reported this as “backing down” by the open carry groups, I see it as moving forward. Regulating themselves responsibly is a wise, strategic move as they present a positive image of gun ownership and bearing of arms to the American public.

John- The Pit Authentic Barbecue restaurant in Durham, North Carolina was the site of an armed robbery last Sunday night. Three masked men with pistols entered the back door, assaulted a couple of employees, and got away. NC Gun Blog points out, “The robbers had all the power. No one could resist them. Why? Because the owner of The Pit Authentic Barbecue has banned guns in his restaurant.”

Blogger Sean Sorrentino also states, “I am very glad that no one was seriously injured. But everyone involved needs to face one very important fact. They were not murdered only because the robbers did not decide to kill them.” It appears that the restaurant owner was making an intentional political statement with his gun-free zone. Last year, his restaurant hosted part of  Gabby Gifford’s anti-gun tour. Looks like the robbers made a statement of their own.

Jack in the Box fast food restaurants issued a similar no-guns policy for company owned stores, and three of their stores were robbed.

Comment- Are gun-free stores safe for anyone?

Stores have to properly post their no-guns policy in accordance with state regulations or the signs don’t have the force of law.

Rob-This is the season of primary elections.  That means we’re sure to be disappointed, but it also means we have to take joy in other’s successes.  In West Virginia, a 17 year old high school student ran against a sitting state delegate.  Sara Blair is graduating from high school later this month and will be in the general election in the fall after her electoral win.  Sara describe herself as a fiscal conservative who is pro gun rights, anti abortion and pro business. She is expected to win the election in the fall.

Comment- Why is it important to have young pro-gun politicians in office?

Paul-Voting along party lines, the Democrat controlled New Jersey legislature sent Governor Chris Christie a bill limiting firearms magazine capacity to 10 rounds or less.  There is neither a grandfather clause in the bill, nor is there a provision for reimbursements so citizens can make their firearms comply with New Jersey law.  The law isn’t clear if the magazine capacity is only determined by the standard ammunition used in the firearms, since 22 shorts can be loaded into a tubular magazine as well as 22 long rifle cartridges.  Of course, the restrictions to not apply to law enforcement officers.  Please write Governor Christie and ask him to veto the bill.

Comment- This is cultural cleansing of firearm owners from New Jersey.  The Democrats want firearm owners to leave the state.

Rob- Gun Quotes
“When the law disallows both the means and moral authority to defend one’s self and property, crime and violence fill the void between common sense and the hoped for utopia.”  – JD Filkins

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this advertisement Concealment Solutions and the interview with Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS.

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- Don’t mess with Texas, and certainly don’t mess with 17 year old Samantha Mayhue’s who lives in Cypress, Texas near Houston.  There have been half a dozen car break ins this year on this otherwise quiet street.  That explains why there are dual electronic locks on the front door at Samantha’s home.  She still thinks someone would have to be crazy to try and break into her house where a Texas flag flies on the driveway.  She heard someone try her front door before the alarm sounded.  Samantha went straight for her father’s Glock and called the police.

“Everyone knows we have guns in here.  Daddy taught me right. I wasn’t afraid to do what I needed to do.  I was going to pull the trigger and aim for the chest and keep pulling it until the 17 rounds out of my dad’s Glock 19 was gone,” Mayhue said.  Luckily, the alarm scared the would-be intruder away.  Samantha Mayhue wants to be a tactical firearms instructor in a few years.

Comment- Does disarming a young lady make her safer or put her at risk from others?

John- Muncie [IN] police say a convicted bandit got more than he bargained for when he tried to hold up a south side liquor store late Friday. Authorities said Anthony J. Williams, 47, was shot in the pelvic region as he struggled with a female clerk over possession of a handgun. Williams entered the liquor store about 11:15 p.m., pretended to have a weapon and demanded cash from the female clerk. The clerk believed Williams was trying to grab a handgun that was behind the store’s counter. A struggle then ensued between the clerk and Williams, ending when the gun discharged, seriously wounding the would-be bandit, police said. Williams was transported to IU Health Ball Memorial Hospital. Police at first thought his wound was potentially life-threatening, but later reports that his condition is believed to have stabilized..

Comment- Rachel, this sounds like having a gun under the counter is as ill advised as purse carry.  Why not carry on body?

Rachel- Back in Houston Texas- A man was walking through an apartment complex late Wednesday night when he was approached by a man who demanded he surrender his wallet and cell phone.  The victim felt threatened enough to draw his concealed handgun and open fire on the suspect.  The suspect was hit twice, but still managed to run to a waiting getaway car. He was picked up by police at a nearby hospital.  The suspect was in surgery early Thursday morning.  Police don’t expect to file charges filed against the robbery victim.

Comment- Robberies, like other accidents, happen where we are, and we are often near home.

John- A Granville County, North Carolina homeowner is safe and unharmed after burglars tried to break into his home Tuesday morning. The same cannot be said for one of the burglars. 20 year old Rodney Hanks Junior broke into a home Tuesday morning with a gun and a knife.  The homeowner shot him.  His fellow burglars were seen leaving the scene and are still on the loose.

Sheriff Brendell Wilkins said they are not releasing the name of the homeowner for his safety. He went on to add regarding the homeowner, ““They were breaking into his house; you’ve got the right to defend yourself. The suspect had a gun and a knife.” That is a sheriff who gets it.

Paul- Don’t bring a crowbar to a gunfight.. at least in Fort Wayne, Indiana.  Nathan Simmerson and four other masked men broke into a home Tuesday night.  Simmerson went upstairs.. where he met the armed home owner.  Simmerson, armed with a crowbar, fled and locked himself in a bathroom.  One of the downstairs victims yelled for the homeowner to come down with his assault rifle.. and the four downstairs robbers fled.  Simmerson tried to run but was tackled by the residents and held for police.  Simmerson says he doesn’t know the names of his accomplices.  I noticed that the papers already had his picture on file.

Gary- Don’t bring a baseball bat to a gunfight either.  A Toledo, Ohio woman and her boyfriend were attacked by a man wielding a bat Monday afternoon.  The boyfriend was struck on his arm with the bat.  The woman has her concealed carry permit and drew her pistol from her purse as the attacker moved toward her.  She fired twice and the attacker ran.  The attacker drove to the University of Toledo Medical Center in a private vehicle seeking treatment for gunshot wounds to his legs.

Comment- How quickly could you react to an attack?

Paul- More from Struthers, Ohio this last Wednesday.  Two teens entered a Sami Quickstop convenience store just after midnight in this Youngstown suburb.  One of the teens raised a rifle and pointed it at the store clerk.  The criminal fired and missed.  The 20 year old store clerk with a CCW drew his own handgun, shot and hit the 17 year old gunman Ja’Braelyn Bunn.  Both teens ran from the store.  The teen gunman is in the hospital while his accomplice is in juvenile detention.  Both face charges for armed robbery.

Comments- What would you do if you were in the store?

John- We have more, and it’s not from Houston, Detroit or Ohio.  I hope you’ve heard about the 300 young Christian girls taken as slave by the Islamist group Boko Haram in Nigeria.  Note that civilian ownership of firearms is forbidden in Nigeria.  Thank god some villages break the law.  Several villages armed themselves and counter attacked against Boko Haram.  They claim to have seized 90 motorcycles, several heavy trucks, and to have killed approximately 250 of the terrorists.  One villager was quoted as saying that they would kill the terrorists themselves since the army wasn’t doing its job.  Note that defenders typically have a three-to-one advantage over attackers.

Comment- Is this any different than the problem faced by citizens of New York or Chicago of a few years ago?

Gary- 24 year old Victor Navarro walked into the HealthMart Pharmacy in Hialeah, Florida, a suburb of Miami, just after noon.  The 24 year old demanded Xanax and was turned away by the pharmacist.  Victor Navarro came back to the pharmacy and pulled up his shirt showing a handgun, and again demanded drugs.  This time the pharmacy manager, 70 year old Angel Navarro Betancourt, no relation to the victim, shot and killed Victor Navaro.  The young man was said to have a severe drug addiction.. and the gun in his waistband was a BB gun.

Comment- Threatening people will get you killed.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles on our website at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

After this advertisement from NJ2AS, we have a tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson.
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Paul- Here is our listener e-mail segment.  This one is from listener Rob

-Hi guys,
I hope I can help end the spitting match over Facebook likes with the Polite Society. I’m a big fan of both polite society & slam fire radio podcasts. As a U.S. citizen I’m partial to my American podcasts. Buuuuuuuut, my wife of 10 years is a Canadian citizen. I obviously like Canadians too.  I listen to both Trevor’s podcasts for the content, hosts and because I enjoy the accent. You know what I’m talking aboat, eh?

So let’s get down to reality and accuracy with the Facebook likes. I really enjoy Paul, Rob & Rachel but Slam Fire Radio is ahead by a long shot.
The math is very simple. Polite Society has more Facebook likes but when you factor in 236 vs 57 episodes and a population approximately 300 million vs 30 million. Slam Fire is kicking some serious Facebook ass.
I’m just say’n
Rob
Hudson Valley, NY
Ps. One good thing about Canadian gun laws is, it makes my New York State gun laws look pretty awesome.

Rachel-Here is another e-mail from listener Rick.

-Hey, guys
When Paul returns you will have to give him time to recover from Mag40.  He will be mentally drained, physically exhausted and amazed at all the new like-minded friends he made.
Oh, and he’ll be saying “I digress” a lot.
Still listening.
Rick

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Paul- We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rachel- That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rachel- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John- Rob(?) do you have an article you want to talk about?

Rob- I have an article on Clash Daily and Ammoland.  It is called Criminals Commit Suicide by Citizen and it came from the news stories we read on this podcast.  

Rachel- John, do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John- One hiker is dead and one in critical condition after being robbed and shot while hiking in Tehama County, California. Neither were armed. The robber asked for their property and then killed Pat Gregory, 69, of West Tisbury, MA. His 76 year old companion was left for dead on the trail and is in the hospital. People ask why you should carry while out hiking and communing with nature. This is why you carry!

Comment-  What is the moral of this story?  You can’t guarantee your safety by complying with criminals.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

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John: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Iowas Firearm Coalition, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Rachel: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

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Episode 221 – Canadians, Sheepdogs, New Jersey, and Glen Tate

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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, March 19th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talk with Frank Fiamingo about the war on self-defense in New Jersey.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also have an interview with Glen Tate who makes a major announcement, and two crazy Canadians talking about the latest canadian firearms regulations.
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Paul: and hang on. Episode 221 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant
Paul- is parked and waiting for a load.. earning a few dollars an hour.
Rachel- is working politics by night and teaching music by day. I have no time to sleep. I’m connecting political activists to their county political conventions.

Rob- I was looking at mid sized 9mm firearms. I rented the Glock 17, the Springfield XD and the CZ-75. Each is a double stack 9mm with a four in inch barrel.. yet they are very different. The obvious missing comparison is the Smith and Wesson M&P, but someone was renting that at the time.

Weight- Glock 17 is lightest of the three. The XD is slightly heavier, though the XD and Glock both have polymer lowers. The CZ has a fairly heavy steel frame and is the heaviest by far. The CZ loaded with 10 rounds was almost as heavy as my empty 1911. The perceived recoil was directly related to the weight of the gun and the CZ didn’t move much when you fired it. The CZ would be fine if you were buying a competition gun or a house gun. The Glock and XD would be much better if you were going to carry them every day for self-defense. It also means that a new shooter who is recoil sensitive should consider the heavier firearms.

The three handguns have a different shape to the stock and feel entirely different in your hand. That is the reason you want to go to a range that rents a wide selection of firearms. The back of the Glock is broad and straight. It fits in your hand as if you’re grabbing the back of a thick hardcover book. I could reach around the stock (or grip) with my thumb, but people with smaller hands would have to roll their thumb around the Glock to get the gun to fit into the web between their thumb and forefinger. When you do that, it feels like you’re grabbing the side of the gun rather than grabbing the back of the gun. In contrast, the top of the CZ grip is nicely narrow and fits well into the groove between your thumb and index finger. I thought the CZ had the best fit in that it was narrower at the top and arched to fit into your palm. The XD is between the two. The XD has a slightly arched grip which also slightly narrows at the web of your thumb. The XD was not as good as the CZ but better than the Glock.

Here are the safety features for each firearm. The CZ has a single/double action trigger and a manual safety thumb safety. The XD has a grip safety and a trigger safety like the Glock. The Glock has only a trigger safety, but it has a considerably harder trigger pull.

Those are the features of the gun that are hard to change. The feel of the trigger can be changed, but I’ll report on the stock firearm.
You could identify each gun by its trigger. XD was actually a little light at 4-4.5 pounds. The CZ in single action was intermediate, and that surprised me. The double action was only a little heavier than the Glock. The Glock was heavy at 7 to 8 pounds. Again, triggers can be adjusted by a trained gunsmith.
When it came to trigger reset, the glock was the best. I thought the XD was next and my shooting buddy thought the CZ was next. Again, the perceived firmness of the reset was proportional to the weight of the trigger pull. You simply can’t have a light target trigger with a distinct reset.

I put about 20 rounds through each gun. I started with dry fire of each firearm. Then I shot a half dozen slow fire, and then went to controlled pairs. I did not test the CZ for accuracy shooting it as a double action handgun, but I did dry fire it in double action.

I tested the time it took to get a second shot. The XD was fastest due to the combination of features; it had the lighter trigger and a fairly good reset. In contrast, the good reset of the Glock was offset by the harder trigger pull. The low recoil of the CZ was offset by its mushy reset. A trigger job could reverse these rankings, but there are limits. I was looking for a carry gun, not a target gun or competition gun. Let me be clear that each firearm is absolutely acceptable in its speed to deliver a second shot.

Controls- For each of these handguns, the slide release is much easier to use than the forward position on the 1911. That is because of better engineering and a lighter recoil spring for a 9mm handgun. With my large hands, I bumped into the slide release by accident on the XD. In contrast, I had to hunt for the magazine release button into the grip on the Glock because they blend it into the stock. You can master it with practice, and they make extended magazine release buttons for the Glock.

I’m going to include this next comment in with controls because it affects how you handle the gun. The slide of the CZ is not very deep. The slide sits on top of the frame rather than wraps around it. The CZ also has an external hammer. It was harder to do a press check on the CZ than either of Glock or the XD because I had trouble getting a good grip on the slide. I couldn’t do a press check on the CZ if the hammer was down. This could be an issue with new shooters when they are learning to manipulate the slide of their firearm. The slide would be easier to manipulate if you have smaller hands. It isn’t a big issue, but it is a difference between the firearms. You won’t notice this issue after you’ve lived with the your gun for a month.

The CZ has a double action/ single action trigger system. That means you could carry it loaded and uncocked after you manually lower the external hammer. Your first trigger pull would be harder and longer, but the second pull would be single action only. I’m used to carrying a gun loaded, cocked and locked, so I don’t see the strong advantage of the double action trigger on the CZ, particularly when the CZ has a manual thumb safety to prevent negligent discharge.

I have long arms, so all the sights were too wide for me. By too wide I mean that the front blade filled up the notch in the rear sight. That is fine for target work, but not for everyday carry. A gunsmith can change sights. A gunsmith can change the weight and feel of a trigger. So each gun could be fitted to your preferences. Oddly enough, in slow fire I was most accurate with the Glock, and I think that was because of the slight difference in the sights that were fitted to this particular firearm.

As it came out of the box, I thought the XD had the best blend of features for a new shooter.

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Opening rant: It is time that we put “Sheepdogs, Sheep and Wolves” to bed.
1) Shepherds protect the flock. Sheepdogs take orders from shepherds and are nearly worthless without the training and direction that they get from the shepherds.
2) I am not a sheepdog. I am not your (or anyone elses) protector. If I witness you getting robbed, you are going to get robbed. Unless you are in imminent danger of being killed or permanently disabled I am going to try to be a good witness and try to help the police apprehend the bad guy by being a good witness. If I think that you are about to lose your life if I don’t act, I will act IF I CAN. I don’t carry for you, I carry for me and my family. If I am carrying at the time the crime is going on it means that YOU TOO have the ability to carry if you chose to. I don’t have a super duper license that allows me to carry in every circumstance everywhere. I have a South Dakota CPP, if you are in SD or a State that has reciprocity with SD you too can protect yourself.
3) I am not a sheep. I am aware of my surroundings. I am responsible for my own defense.
4) I am not a wolf. I am a card carrying good guy.
5) Unless you have taken an oath as a police officer you could easily make things a lot worse by getting involved. Please don’t delude yourself on citizens arrest. Also, are you SURE you are about to intervene on behalf of the good guy?
6) In our community we are really big on saying “whatever happened to personal responsibility?” when someone blames McDonald’s hot coffee for their own stupidity and wins a big settlement. The same question comes about when a criminal gets off with a light sentence for a heinous crime because he was abused as a child. Where is that same question when a person becomes a victim in a free state where he or she had the legal right to defend themselves? Didn’t the victim have the personal responsibility to take care of themselves including security? Don’t get me wrong here. I DO NOT want to start blaming victims for crimes. What I am saying is that if more people were protecting themselves the criminal population would dwindle dramatically because #1 the criminals don’t commit more crimes once they are incarcerated or in a grave, and #2 Once homey sees that a few of his friends are in jail for a long time and a few more are ventilated he might start thinking that going back to school might make the rest of his time on the planet a bit safer.
7) I have been accused a bit of being a jerk, and worse, for my stance. That is fine with me. The fact is that my #1 goal is to survive for my family. A few episodes ago we had a story about 2 men who entered a house that they didn’t live in and confronted a burglar. I was asked recently what would cause me to enter a house like that. To be honest not much. If my wife or member of my immediate family were in immediate danger and I knew that the police weren’t going to be there in time, then yes, of course. The number of people I would do that for on the face of the earth number less than 20, and most of them are directly related to me.
Am I a Sheep? No. Am I a Sheep Dog? No. I am Damn sure not a Wolf or a Shepherd. I am an independent and free citizen of the United States of America. I don’t fit into the little categories that you try to make so please don’t put me there.

(Commentary – And please feel free to let me have it if you think that I am full of it)
Rob- The original sheep versus sheepdog story was a simple contrast. Now you’ve gone and made it highbrow. You went from two pieces; sheep and sheepdog. Three pieces, sheep, sheepdog and shepard. You have four pieces, complacent citizens, criminal predators, law enforcement and a trained armed citizen who is self-controlled. Your description IS more accurate. But I see two problems with it.

First, most journalists and politicians aren’t smart enough to keep the characters straight until you put costumes and makeup on them. Second, how can you scare the public with a “return to the wild west with blood flowing in the streets” story if there are four characters. Public policy needs simple victims and heros. Your version is simply too complicated to make thrilling news or sound bites.

Oh, Paul… that is a good thing.
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Rachel: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here. The Shooting portion of the class is full, however you can still get in on the 2 day citizens rules of engagement. once completing the classroom portion you can get in touch with Chaz and schedule a Mag 20 live fire and complete the mag 40.

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob- Story #1 Ares Armor
Daniel Butcher is the Assistant U.S. Attorney that filed a response to temporary restraining order (TRO) obtained by Ares Armor against the ATF. He filed the response with a federal magistrate judge who allowed the raid to proceed. Butcher’s response conveniently “forgets” that the 80% lower receivers stocked and sold by Ares Armor are not generally considered firearms, according to the ATF’s own determination letters sent to numerous manufacturers over the years. Somehow, the all-important detail that the 80-percent polymer lower receivers have not been proven to be firearms didn’t seem to work it’s way into the DOJ’s “Factual Background” section of their response. I doubt the judge cares or will hold Attorney Butcher in contempt for misleading the court. If anything, Attorney Butcher sealed his nomination into a politically appointed DOJ position.

The owner of Ares Armor, Dimitrios Karras, has a sense of humor. The Ares website boasts that all of its products shipped this month have been personally inspected by the BATFE for product quality. Dimitrios is also a combat veteran. I also found out that the company pays employee bonuses in silver coins.

Paul- Oklahoma Sheriffs went to the state capitol to testify as they had in previous years.  This year, the 40 sheriffs met a surprising obstacle. They were turned away at the door because a state Senator complained they were armed.  Rather than disarm, the sheriffs went back to their counties and scheduled their testimony for another day.

(Rachel’s comments: (1) At least they were being consistent and applying the law equally to the sheriffs and to citizens, and (2) That’s *one* thing that Texas can hold over Oklahoma’s head at least for a little while longer: CHLers can carry in our Capitol building.)

Rob- http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th.  Connecticut deserves our support.

Rachel – Jacksonville College in East Texas wanted to increase campus safety, and allow employees to carry guns on campus. That’s when they hired chief of security Mike Morse, and began a security agency on campus. Morse is now teaching security officer certification, and concealed handgun classes. “We had a desire to provide courses to the community, and one of the needs we heard was handgun licenses.” Classes are available to the students, teachers, and entire community.

Paul- Armed baristas in Spokane, Washington

– Jitterz Java has had 3 break-ins in the past month
– Employees are now arming themselves with the approval and encouragement of the owner, Sara Chapel
– Employee Krystal Cogswell: “Before, I never felt an immediate threat, so I would just have it off to the side or somewhere hidden. But now I feel like if someone can see it, maybe it will just deter it right then and there and I won’t ever have to use it,” she explained.
– Customers have been overwhelmingly supportive. Only one complaint.
– Spokane Police said it is completely legal as long as the employees who are armed are 18 and older and do not have any prior convictions that restrict them from using firearms.

Rachel- It turns out that Delaware citizens don’t lose all their civil rights when they accept public housing.  This time their rights are protected by the Delaware constitution more so than the US constitution.  The Delaware Supreme Court read from the Delaware Constitution’s right to bear arms provision- “A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use” and the court noted that this language may justify broader protection than that given by the Second Amendment.  It looks like some of the Delaware housing projects will comply, but some housing administrators are crafting new regulations.  Two steps forward, and one step back, but it is progress.

Rob: Gun Quotes (here are two of them, so take your pick of great women on Wednesdays)

How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of.  – Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with lots of news about self-defense news in New Jersey. We start with an interview with Frank Fiamingo.  But first, here is a message a sponsor.

Seg 3 Interview with Frank Fiamingo

Rob- That was a fascinating interview with Frank.  The link to the James Kaleda defense fund is at indiegogo.com  He needs another 10 thousand dollars for his defense, and he needs it in the next ten day.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund  Please donate $10 if that is all you can afford.  Please put in something to let James know he is not alone in this battle for our rights.  (Any comments?)

The issue of firearms restrictions is not that complex.  People are not criminals because they have 15 cartridges in their magazine versus 10 rounds.  The Youtube video of 9 year old firearms competitor Shyanne Roberts testifying at the Assembly hearing went viral.  Shayanne gets it.

Here is a one minute clip from my friend Anthony Colandro testifying at the New Jersey Assembly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUE6N5q65eQ&feature=youtu.be   He states that “he will not comply” with the new firearms restrictions.  For the last 20 years we have been in an era when laws are too numerous to know or obey.  Now we are entering an era when more and more citizens deliberately refuse to comply.  (comments?)
Paul- We have to go to break.
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Interview with Matthew McLatchey of Slam Fire Radio and Peter Dawson(Ten- X) about the Canadian RCMP gun ban.

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Segment 6 DGUs
The chat room warriors contributed this, and thank you to them- “When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” Thomas Jefferson

Rob- A man was shot and killed early Monday morning as he was attempting to burglarize a home northwest of Corvallis, Montana.  The resident was awakened by noises around his home shortly before 4 a.m..  When he went to investigate, he found someone climbing through a window.  When the resident ordered the man to not move, the suspect turned toward him. The resident was armed with a handgun and shot the intruder, who then jumped back through the broken window and ran away from the home.  The intruder was later found dead near the home.  The dead man, Tobias Ian Bishop, age 39, had a long criminal history and was wanted on an outstanding warrant.  Bishop had burglarized several other properties in the area and had several stolen chainsaws stashed near his van.

Paul: Police say that one man is in critical condition after attempting to break into an Apache Junction Arizona Home. Three men gathered in the back of a home when they were noticed by the homeowner on surveillance video. Those gathered out back began to kick the back door. The homeowner grabbed a shotgun and one other person inside the house was armed with a handgun. Once the second person was illuminated with a laser sight, the homeowner and the second person in the home opened fire. The 3 attackers fled. one of them, 19 year old Sal Anthony Almos only made it to the neighbors yard where he collapsed from a shotgun wound to the groin and upper legs. Almos was taken into custody, and he later told investigators that the attackers were heavily armed and had zip ties and “were ready for whatever” I am thinking that a shotgun blast to the groin wasn’t included in whatever. Also the picture on the webpage that reports the story has a mug shot of an apparently easily standing Almos, something I seriously doubt he can do while in critical condition in a hospital, so it appears that this isn’t his first rodeo.

Rachel- Police are investigating the homicide of a 26-year-old man who was shot after police say he brandished a handgun and sexually assaulted a woman. The name of the man has not been released pending notification of family members. It happened around 9:25 p.m., Thursday, in the 3800 block of North Rampart Street [New Orelans LA]. Police said the 26-year-old man approached a man and woman as they were walking. They said he then produced a gun and demanded that they walk to a building that was being renovated. Once they entered the yard, investigators say, the man sexually assaulted the woman at which time the adult male disarmed the man and fatally shot him… (Once a gain, we see how much more common it is for a criminal to get shot with his own gun, by a victim, than vice versa.) http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/man-fatally-shot-in-new-orleans/24970126

Rachel – student speaks out against being disarmed
– University of Cincinnati campus
– engineering student came across 4 students being attacked on campus, jumped in to help them
– ended up beaten, hospitalized
– “One of the victims said that the area was usually safe, so the Saturday night assault was very surprising.”
– Good Samaritan said: “I’m personally a concealed carry permit holder. I’m not allowed to carry on campus so I’m not going to do that, but at the same time if the university is not going to provide significant resources to provide us the safety we need then at least let me take care of myself with it.
– The university’s response: send out safety ambassadors to create a “welcoming and engaging environment.”
– My response: any school that fails to exercise its right to authorize carry on -campus is responsible for any harm that comes to disarmed students, staff, or civilians.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Tips and tricks segment : Kathy Jackson’s reply to our feedback on episode 220

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Listener e-mail discussion
Rob: I received this from one of my readers and I like what he said. He calls it “the Equal Protection Amendment”
1. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may keep or bear any arms except those that may be borne by all law abiding competent adult citizens both in his place of residence and in the location of his office.
2. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may be protected by any personal arms he is barred from keeping under the previous article.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!  Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and give our friend Chaz over at the roadgunner podcast a listen, he just put out a great episode with Daniel shaw of Gunfightercast fame.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 220 – Joe Chetwood and Miguel Gonzalez

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Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, march 15th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we have an interview with Miguel Gonzalez of “Gun Free Zone”
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Joe: I’m guest host Joe Chetwood from Crusader Weaponry
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 220 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1 Personal news from each participant

Joe Chetwood- finding my way out of boxes.

John: I just finished reading Jm Curtis’ The Grey Man: Vignettes. Jim, also known as Old NFO, blogs at the blog “Nobody Asked Me.”  The novel is Jim’s first and a great start. I highly recommend it to anyone who likes a good story that has guns interwoven through it.

Rob: I got in some dry practice with reloads and malfunction clearance.  I invited a friend over, so practice can be fun.  So was dinner, but dry practice is always a good excuse to throw a party.

Rachel: Got a CWW pin from whiskey5a today, doing online training tomorrow for Texas Firearms Freedom activists for the next convention to help move gun legislation along, and scheming for how I can clone myself so next weekend I can staff the A Girl & A Gun conference, teach at an Appleseed shoot, and be a delegate in my county convention all at the same time.

Paul is in Soux Falls and jumped home from Wisconsin.  We’re podcasting from ABN surplus.

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Seg 2- News

Paul: In Rob’s backyard, Ares Armor machines AR lowers and sells polymer lowers.  The BATF asked for its inventory and customer list.  Dimitrios Karras, owner of Ares Armor, asked for a restraining order against the ATF.. and he received it.  So far the customer list is safe.  Ares is also being harassed by a local city council for its sign that shows a modern sporting rifle.  Anti-gun bigotry is not dead in San Diego.

In late breaking news, the ATF broke into Ares Armor’s national city office and seized records. That is the real price of having a weak sheriff in San Diego County.

Rob- Idaho Governor Butch Otter signed a bill allowing people with enhanced Idaho concealed carry permits to carry firearms on state school campuses.  The law takes effect July first when anti-gun journalists forecast the streets will run with blood.  I doubt it since eight states allow some firearms onto school campuses.

John:  Retired elementary school teacher Laura Getty was diagnosed with breast cancer on Valentine’s Day. Her son Jeffrey, also a teacher, developed a lesson plan to help her conquer her fear. Since she had never fired a gun before, he took her to the Palmetto State Armory range in Greenville, SC where they live. Laura says she found it very therapeutic as all she had to do was focus on the target. Afterwards, Jeffrey sent the range a thank you note explaining the circumstances. PSA was so touched that they built up a hot pink custom AR-15 for Laura  as a gift. They also made a second one that they are raffling to raise money for her treatment. They have now put that raffle online because demand was so strong.

Rachel- Shane Kinney is an NRA member.  He is also a 16 year old and works a part time job at his local gun club.  He wore an NRA shirt to school and served a one day suspension when the school vice principal told him to turn the shirt inside out.  Shane refused.  “I’ve worn other shirts before with guns on them.  I was never asked to cover up. I think this happened because it was an NRA shirt.”  Officials at the school cited the dress code which prohibits any clothing that might incite or encourage “violent activities.”  Grand Island High School is located between Niagara Falls and Buffalo, New York.  Sounds like the school administrator flunked the Zero Tolerance for Stupid test.

Rachel – A group of over 100 Texans with CATI-TX (“Come And TAke It”) open carried their rifles and shotguns through downtown Austin during the SXSW festival again today, and I was again privileged to be among them. The light rain might have dampened our clothes and rifles, but it didn’t dampen spirits among the men, women, and children who participated. During the months that these activists have faithfully done their safe, peaceful, friendly open carry walks, the attitude of the APD has changed, and they now come out and shake our hands and even escort us to make sure no one messed with us. Hooray for peaceful, effective grassroots activism!

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On a sad note: a car plowed through barricades a couple of nights ago and killed a few SXSW participants and injured almost 2 dozen more. I guess barricades and signs don’t work so well – for banning either guns or cars….

John: We all know it is easier to ride a bicycle downhill.  It is also easier to promote a cause with a sympathetic news media to inflate your claims.  But what would the media say if they had an anti-gun rally and nobody came?  26 bicycle riders rode from Newtown Connecticut to Washington DC to carry their anti-gun message to the nations capital and provide a media moment for politicians who hate self-defense.  If you look closely at the photos of the rally, it looks like the riders and politicians were larger than the crowd.  Some of the bicycle riders said they received considerable support along the route from the New Jersey police.  Let’s see a show of hands if you’re surprised.

Anyone?

Rachel – A statewide grassroots group in California gathered over 60,000 signatures to date proposing  quote- “a state constitutional initiative ensuring the right to bear arms for all individuals and guarantee the right of all individuals to lawfully use a firearm for personal and property protection, hunting and sport shooting.” California Gun Rights is attempting to collect over a million valid signatures by the May 20 deadline. They posted downloadable copies of their petition in both legal and letter sizes for circulators to use.  California is one of only six states that lack second amendment language in their constitutions.

We have an interview with Miguel Gonzalez about the Florida bill that might permit school staff to go armed.  Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Seg 3 Interview with Miguel Gonzalez from the blog “Gun Free Zone”.  Miguel talks about the Florida bill that might permit school staff to go armed and how the Miami Herald lost their mind.

Ask the GunDoc questions with Joe Chetwood.
1. I have a savage 357 over 20 ga, it has a crack on the wood near the selector switch with the piece about to come off, is there any type of glue made just for this type of repair? i don’t do anything with this gun but shoot every now and then so its not critical, just want it to look right

2. I have a pt1911 ar pistol made by taurus and the grip safety does not work. The safety is a little loose at the pin that holds it in place. If i push up on the beavertail safety right under the hammer the safety works. Has anyone had this problem with theirs and if so how was it fixed without sending it back to taurus for repairs. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks

3. My Thompson SMG is now back together, but I can’t use it because the ‘headspace’ is off. Is this something that can be repaired (gun is about 25yrs old), or do I have a 45cal paperweight?

4. I have a 1911 and the front sight came off at the range and I couldn’t find it. How can I figure out what height I need if I still have the rear sight?

5. I have a TCP 380. When firing, the slide isn’t cycling and it’s not feeding the next round. Could this be a future gunsmith visit or is there something I can do myself?

6. I have a gorgeous Remington 48 sc 12 gauge. It’s not ejecting the empty shells. It pulls up a new shell but still, the empty isn’t being grabbed out. Is this a common problem with this gun?

7. Type 53 nagant sight removal. I want to remove the entire front sight so I can slide the bayonet lug off, but is the front sight mount also soldered on?
Break and Shelly Sorensen when we come back.

8. Interdynamic KG-99 pistol (9mm) with a 30 round clip. When I put the loaded clip in the weapon and rack the lever to load it, it is tossing the first cartridge out on the ground. The motion of the bolt seems to be catching the first round and tossing it out or, the motion is dislodging the first round just enough that it becomes loose enough for the magazine spring is spitting it out. Or something… Any ideas what the problem may be?

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Rob: Lisa Atkin was sick in bed Wednesday morning and couldn’t go to work.  She was surprised when her three labradors wouldn’t stop barking.  Then she heard another loud noise from the front of her house and grabbed her firearm from the nightstand.  She slowly cleared her way into her home and found Joseph Baker.  She drew her weapon and told Baker to lie down on the floor while she called police.  The police arrived 23 minutes later.  The  Junction City Oregon homeowner said, “We’ve been through the Oregon Firearms Academy courses so we were trained to deal with these kinds of situations.  Twenty three minutes is a long time and while most people in town wouldn’t have to wait that long for a response, it was an incredibly quick response for where we live.” (close quote) The burglar is in the Lane County Jail facing charges of burglary, resisting arrest, menacing, and criminal mischief.

Any comments?

John:  A pizza delivery woman in Fayetteville, North Carolina made an unexpected delivery.  26 year old Ashley Marie Hurd approached a house at about 10pm and asked the man standing outside to be paid for the pizza.  A second man walked up behind her, put something against Ashley’s head and demanded money.  She drew her handgun and both suspects ran.

If I was a pizza delivery driver, male or female, in Fayetteville, I’d carry a handgun, too.

I’d also like to make a comment on this DGU. It is important to note that no shots were fired and it was the mere presence of a firearm that ended this encounter safely for Ms. Hurd.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Segment 5 Show close and listener e-mail discussion

Paul and Crew,

Got behind listening due to problems with downloading the show via itunes after the name change so these comments are over a few shows.

I. For the guy who disliked the British accent. My father didn’t care much for the British either. No idea why, something dealing with his stay during WWII. I enjoyed my too short stay in England back in the 80’s. Really fell in love with the beer, real beer; definitely not PBR. The Brits do need to take some lessons on how to season their fool Having to salt and pepper pizza to make it edible just isn’t right. I personally like the accent. Brings back memories of watching Mrs. Emma Peel in those nice leather cat suits she wore.

II. With regard to the posting of home addresses and pictures of the various congress vermin. I agree with you however we must not be too worried about taking the high road in this war. There does become a point where one must fight fire with fire. The problem is that there are very few, and mostly ineffective ways, to hold these people accountable for their malicious acts. I don’t think many states have a recall option and it is very rarely possible to hold them legally accountable for the damage and hurt they cause. Roman senators and tribunes were completely immune for their actions but at least once they left office they could be brought to account. No so with out system. They can get away with anything. Look at the disdain the state shyster Corey is getting away with in Florida.

For an interesting, and highly questionable result I suggest reading “Unintentional Consequences” by John Ross. The book is way too long and quite slow in getting started but still entertaining. I just hope it never actually comes down to that extreme. It is rather scary of how some rather radical ideas are much more commonly heard than they were just a few short years ago. In fact, if the state of Connecticut doesn’t get its act together things could quickly degenerate into something very similar and those who are truly responsible, the idiots who made the ridiculous law will never be made to really answer for all the tears that will be shed.

III. With regard to Kathy Jackson’s comments on training. I completely agree that one shouldn’t come in with the attitude that keeps them from taking suggestions on how to improve. However I don’t see the problem with people wanting validation. If one is doing something correctly I can understand them wanting conformation of that. Kind of like how you liked having your skills as a driver trainer validated. Now if they are not willing to accept correction, that is another issue.

She sounded like she really doesn’t like seeing people taking classes who seem to not really need them. Depending on the reason for that happening I don’t understand the problem. There are some who are ready and would like to take an intermediate or more advanced course but can’t due to no formal training. Many instructors and training institutions won’t let people sign up for more advanced training due to them not having any formal training. They have their prerequisites. Completely understandable but someone who managed to acquire the basic skills on their own really have no choice but to take beginning classes. They need to have their skill level formally validated if they want to continue their training. Yes, there are some, many perhaps, who just want to boost their egos, but there are some caught in the middle.

There are also those who repeat classes as a way to renew their skills. It sounded like she didn’t really like having them in her classes.

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These are just some thoughts. I thoroughly enjoy your program and look forward to each episode. Your show, along with Doc Wessons’s “The Gun Nation” are the first two I check for new episodes.

Oh, what happened to Sticks? Did I miss something?

William Harvey

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Castle Rock, Colorado.

There is a rally scheduled for saturday, April fifth from 12 to 3pm.  See the Connecticut Citizens Defense League.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I do.  The ninth circuit rendered a decision a month ago.  The decision was not acted on by the San Diego Sheriff.  There have been four THOUSAND violent crimes in San Diego in that month.  Judges and Sheriffs fiddle while citizens bleed.  The post was up at Clash Daily and I put it up at Slow Facts this morning.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, Also give our friends over at Modern Rifleman Radio a listen!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 218 – Keith Morgan

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday March 8th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonight’s show we’ll talk about firearms news from the wonderful citizens and gun owners of West Virginia.
John: And I’m John Richardson, we’ll talk about defensive gun use.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and could drone on for hours about shooting another IDPA competition.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John:strap in
Rob: And hang on!
Paul: Episode 218 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
John: Nothing new from me since midweek.
Rachel: Slept in today, exhausted from the political work for Texas Firearms Freedom from the past two weeks. Yesterday attended the memorial service of Terry Holcomb, Jr., son of the gun rights activist Terry Holcomb, Sr.. Missed the CATI-Austin walk today but hope to jump in next week.
Rob: How long do I have to talk about IDPA? The competition had 6 stages and took about 80 rounds. El Presedente in 9.6 seconds. (12 shots on six targets with a reload). Barrel stage with 8 targets, 14 rounds, and you had to push two plastic barrels out of the way to get to the bad guys, 16.4 seconds. The plastic barrels were your friends who forgot to run or duck. 85 degrees F when we finished. Ahhh.

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Rob: This bad news has a happy ending.  Mary Shepard and another woman were beaten as they worked in their rural Illinois church back in 2009.  Mary has concealed carry permits in several states, but was disarmed because she couldn’t carry in Illinois.  Laws change with time.  Illinois law changed because of civil-rights activists who defend the right of self-defense and then took on the Chicago political machine.  Illinois gun owners lobby day was last Wednesday.  Mary Shepard received her Illinois carry license on Tuesday.  Congratulations Mary Shepard and Illinois gun owners.  Mary is not sure if she’ll carry in church because she remains afraid to go there during the week.

John: A push for  Bloomberg-style universal background checks failed in the Oregon State Senate this week as it failed to get out of the Senate Judiciary Committee just like it failed last year.

The chairman of the Judiciary Committee, Democrat Floyd Prozanski (PRO ZAN SKI) of Eugene, isn’t giving up his push for more gun control. He has a new bill that would give judges more leeway to deny gun rights to mentally ill people in outpatient programs. It would also require that local law enforcement be notified if someone fails a NICS check while trying to purchase a firearm. However, with time running out in the legislative session, it is doubtful it would have time to be enacted.

John: Scott Zawierucha (ZA WAH ROO CHA) believes in both free speech and gun rights. He had placed a banner of his fence in Hamburg, New York saying “New York is Not SAFE – Stop Cuomo – Preserve Your Rights”. Because of his banner, he was given a summons by the town’s zoning code enforcement officer when he refused to take it down. The town says it violates their zoning ordinance which bans signs or banners on fences.

Mr Zawierucha was to appear in court on Friday. As to the banner, he said, ““I am not taking this down. I have been targeted,”  “I’ve had nothing but positive feedback from people.”

Paul – A bill is making it’s way through the South Dakota Legislature that would make it harder for those that are mentally ill to get guns. This makes me nervous because once on a list it can be exceedingly hard to get off of it.

Paul – A Kansas City Mo state legislator is having to increase security after sponsoring a bill that essentially trashes the castle doctrine and makes a requirement that you retreat before using a gun. This is a bad bill. This is also a bill that it seems has no chance of passing in gun friendly Missouri. This is no reason to make threats. I would not be surprised if the supposed threats were entirely manufactured by the other side, but lets be certain that it isn’t one of our side that is involved.

We ARE above this. we are right, and we are winning. What we don’t need is for someone to make the other side’s argument stronger.

Rachel – The West Virginia Civilian Defense League has had an exhausting couple of weeks working to get some important gun bills through their legislature before the session ended. Their main bill was SB317, the statewide preemption bill dubbed as “One state, one law” – which would prohibit cities and municipalities from making their own restrictions on handgun carry. With deadlines looming, they passed the bill and I bet you anything they’d say it was well worth the work.

From Keith Morgan, president WVCDL:
This is a fight that’s occurred with varying intensity for 21 years. But in the past three, I’ve seen this organization explode in size, scope, and legislative influence. In 2009, Jim Mullins, myself, and two members were laughed out of Charleston’s city council. Danny Jones exact statement was “I’m not interested in talking about that.” This is where we were.

For the past two weeks, I’ve not spent a single day in the capitol alone. WVCDL members have been showing up on their own time and dime, walking the halls with us in black t-shirts, talking to legislators, explaining our point, and sometimes, arguing intensely defending our positions and explaining our logic. Members have seen so many parts of the meat grinder that is our legislature. They’ve seen our legislative friends stand at our side and fight our fight. They’ve seen our enemies come to us with smiles and lies.

Over the past two years, we’ve been in the legislature. We’ve been in the streets. We’ve held dozens of public protests and meetings, and we’ve had thousands of private conversations with friends and associates. And not only have we gotten involved, but we’ve convinced others to join us in the fight for our liberty.

Our membership loves to thank me and our board. Sean Dill‘s favorite response to that is “without all of you we’re just nine people trying to get something done.” With all of you, we are a political force to be reckoned with. And the post powerful piece of that is not the nine of us, and it’s damn sure not me. It’s the thousands of conversations that have happened on facebook, at your work, on ranges, at gun counters, and with your friends and neighbors. It is an awakening that is occurring in this state, and it is YOU that rings the alarm bell raising the apathetic from their slumber.

The next time you look at your membership card or your t-shirt, allow yourself a tinge of pride. Know that your voice is heard, and know that you’ve been responsible for changing the direction of the great state of West Virginia.”

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Rob: There is a lot more to New York state than New York City.  Grace Baptist Church in Troy, New York wants to attract new parishioners to a special Sunday service later this month.  The church sent out a flyer advertising a raffle.  The flyer reads “Win a free AR-15” and “…my peace I give unto you…” John 14:27  Yes, the winning prize is a New York compliant AR-15 rifle.

One state assemblyman supported the raffle saying the rifle is a product that is legal to sell and churches have raffles all the time.  Another Troy pastor said he has been trying to get guns out of the community.  A city councilwoman said there must be a better way to get people into church.  As usual with guns and religion, most speakers talk past each other as they try to make their own point.

I’m for freedom of religion, and for raffles.. and for AR rifles.  What’s not to like?

Gun Quotes
That the said Constitution shall never be construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the press or the rights of conscience; or to prevent the people of The United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms…  Samuel Adams
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this.

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http://www.examiner.com/article/conn-police-refuse-to-enforce-new-gun-laws
We’ve received preliminary and unconfirmed reports that the head of the Connecticut Peace Officers’ Assn has released an open letter stating that the police will not “be party to the oppression of the people of the state by enforcing an unconstitutional law.” So far 250 LEOs have cosigned the letter.

Paul: NRA letter.

Rob: There was an attempted robbery last Wednesday in Maryland.  I know that Maryland has strict gun laws, but these two guys didn’t get the memorandum.  Two men walked into a jewelry store when one of the men pulled a handgun from his waistband.  He demanded the clerk behind the counter hand over money and put jewelry into their backpacks.  That is when the store owner in the back room grabbed his shotgun and pointed it at the robbers.  They fled in an extreme hurry and were last seen driving away in a brown car.

The good news is that the store owner saved the life of the clerk and no shots were fired.  I bet the brown car matched their brown pants.

John: DGU- There was a daytime home invasion in my neck of the woods this week. In Leicester, which is a small rural community just west of Asheville, 2 men kicked in the door of a home on Dix Creek Rd No. 1 around 11 Thursday morning. The homeowner grabbed a pistol and shot one of the intruders which caused them to flee. A half hour later a man showed up with a gunshot wound at Mission Hospital. This led investigators to arrest Stacey Eugene Lail, 40, and Chico Talbert, 37, for attempted robbery with a dangerous weapon and conspiracy to commit robbery.

Sheriff Van Duncan said the homeowner was within his rights to fire at the intruders. The homeowner was fortunately not hurt in this home invasion.

Rachel: DGU- Miami’s Little Havana is a little safer today.  A security guard at Presidente Supermarket had to take on a machete wielding mad man.  Last Wednesday, the swordsman walked into the store and announced he was going to kill everyone.  They knew he was serious when he stabbed one of the customers.  The store security guard then shot the swordsman.  The report isn’t clear if the security guard pushed the attacker outside or if the attacker pursued the security guard who ran outside.  The sword wielding attacker was shot outside the store and fell to the ground.  He is listed in critical condition.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Greg from Bremmerton sent in a link about a Michigan credit union that changed an anti gun policy.  http://www.m1ccu.org/BeHeard_116.html

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, John, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

John: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

John: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new blog posts you want to mention?
Rob.  I wrote about Connecticut gun laws in an article that came out yesterday.  Politicians and judges can make bad decisions and make us less safe, or they can choose to make all of us safer.  If the judges get it wrong, then innocent gun owners could get killed by police.  At the other extreme, a wise judge could enjoin the Connecticut gun laws until the courts rule on them.  The other 700 words are at my SlowFacts blog.  John, do you have any posts you want to talk about?

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

John: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Paul: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida CarryGeorgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

John: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rachel: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 216 – John McGregor

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, the first of March, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on tonights show we interviewed John McGregor from the Sig Sauer Academy.
Rob: I’m Rob and we’ll also have news, defensive gun use, and a tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson.
John: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 216 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Rob: Shopped for a gun on Friday.
John: You were at a Law Review symposium on the Second Amendment.
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Seg 2- News

Rob -New Jersey, heads up!  The Association of New Jersey Rifle and Pistol Clubs told us that the State Assembly is considering a bill reducing firearms capacity to 10 rounds.  There is no grandfathering or amnesty period in Assembly bill A2006.  This legislation outlaws many tube fed 22 caliber rifles by Browning, Marlin, Mossberg, Remington and Winchester.  Remember, magazines in New Jersey are fixed.  First the state required that magazines can’t be removed.. and then outlawed the part they required be fixed to the gun.  Violation of the law is a felony with a three year minimum sentence.

John- From our colleague David Codrea, the California Department of Justice added a so called “smart gun” to the handgun roster.  Of course, the smart gun doesn’t meet the required microstamping requirements.  Cal DOJ said the gun was admitted before the microstamping requirements went into effect.  No schedule was released.

Paul- Also from David,  a knife wielding gang killed 27 people in a China train station.  109 were injured.  Eventually the police arrived and shot some of the attackers.  Once again, disarming innocent citizens does not protect them.

John- It proves that Chinese politicians care as much about the safety of their citizens as New York politicians.

Rob -So much for background checks.  A total of 9 new rifles were stolen from the gun safe at a Memphis area Wallmart.  Most of our listeners are aware that criminals use stolen guns for crime and don’t bother with registering their firearms.

Paul- Criminals know background checks won’t stop them.  If only politicians were as smart as criminals.

John -One of the first prosecutions under New York’s SAFE act was brought to court, tried.. and dismissed.  Police officers stopped Paul Wojdan when Wojdan was a passenger in a car the police pulled over for speeding.  His registered and permitted firearm was in the glove compartment.  He had more rounds in the magazine than are permitted by New York law.  Lockport City Judge William Watson dismissed the misdemeanor charges since the the magazine was searched without a warrant.  Now, Wojdan wants all six of his firearms back since the Niagara County Sheriff’s Office confiscated all of the guns listed on his pistol permit.

Rob: California Attorney General Kamila Harris requested an en banc review and reversal of Peruta V San Diego.  She is shocked that the common people want to protect themselves.  Why, law enforcement has to grant licenses to mere commoners, gasp.  Harris used to be the District Attorney of San Francisco.

Paul- Also in California, Sheriff Adam Christianson of Stanislaus County, California wrote a defense of concealed carry licenses for the local newspaper.  The court’s recent rulings have no effect since Sheriff Christianson already issued permits on a shall issue basis with licenses increasing by another ten percent last year.  The police budget is being cut and the Sheriff hopes that criminals think twice now that citizens are armed.  The biggest problem the sheriff faces with license holders is that some drive while intoxicated.  Quoting the Sheriff, “I’ve heard plenty of rhetoric about abuse, vigilantism and other predictions of doom and gloom related to the issuance of concealed carry permits. To date, we’ve not had a single incident or occurrence where that has happened.”

John: Sounds like the sheriff is smarter than the attorney general.

John- A Michigan state senator has introduced legislation simplifying the process to receive a concealed carry license.  Sen. Mike Green introduced Senate Bill 789 which would decrease the renewal fee from $105 to $90 and use the Michigan State Police to run background checks.

John: Comment on Canadian RCMP changing their regulations. On Feb 27th at 10 pm, the RCMP reclassified the Swiss Arms PE90 – the Canadian equivalent of the SIG 551 – from being either unrestricted or restricted to prohibited. 10 years earlier that had said the firearm was OK to own. The approximately 1,800 Canadians who bought one over the last 10 years have to turn them in and will not be compensated. They have suggested gun owners ask their dealers for refunds.

Rob- In Illinois, the first 5 thousand concealed carry licenses were scheduled to be printed and mailed yesterday.  These licenses are for the initial applicants who helped check out the statewide applications system.  Most of them are firearms instructors.  We should be getting pictures from our friends in Illinois by mid-week.

Paul- That reminds me that Illinois Gun Lobby Day (IGOLD) is coming up next Wednesday, march 5th.  The website is I G O L D . I S R A .org  of do a websearch on IGOLD.

John- Comment on the gun owners law seminar.  Blackman talked about 3D printing of guns.  Plans and drawings are protected speech under the first amendment.

Rob- Domestic violence victims in Kentucky could apply for an expedited permit to carry a concealed gun under a bill passed by the Kentucky House. House Bill 351 would allow the state to quickly issue concealed-carry permits for 45 days to people who have received court protective orders in abuse cases. The Senate Judiciary Committee approved a similar bill, SB 106, on Thursday.  That is some good news for people in trouble.
Paul- Gun Quotes-
“Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect every one who approaches that jewel.” —Patrick Henry
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back with listener comments after this

Segment 3
Mike Vanderboegh strongly worded letter-
Paul: We had a comment on the website:
I took Robs side on Mike Vanderbough releasing names of the politicians voting for CT’s latest anti gun legislation. I completely understand where you were coming from with not releasing addresss’s.
That was until you validated your opinion. That’s when I felt stabbed in the back. You said “they did nothing wrong” until they do i.e. gun confiscation, the names and address shouldn’t be released.
That means you don’t believe that anti 2A bill CT just passed is wrong. They totally infringed our 2A rights. They already did wrong, you just pulled a Guns & ammo Metcalf moment.
That’s really bad, real bad.

John:
Rob: We disagree. Did you read Mike’s letters? You trust Connecticut gun owners with an AR, but not an address? I’m sorry, but I don’t get it.

Mike posted the names and addresses of Connecticut legislators who outlawed the AR15 and standard capacity mags. You say that Mike Vanderboegh is inciting violence by posting the names and addresses of Connecticut politicians. I think he is helping to reduce the likelihood of violence. You say he is creating a problem. I say the Connecticut politicians created the problem and Mike is trying to minimize the result.

This is how we got here. The Connecticut politicians outlawed the most common rifle in America. In legal terms, it is a firearm in common use”. Existing rifles must be registered. Most gun owners declined. These same politicians then told CT gun owners to turn in their firearms or face arrest and prosecution.

I paraphrase Mike for brevity, but this is what he asked honest gun owners to do- “First, we must — we have a moral duty to — use every peaceful way to avoid violence right up to the moment they open fire on innocent civilians.”

Mike asked Connecticut politicians to stop their war on gun owners before it turns bloody. “I am BEGGING you.. to use your power to suspend the enforcement of the new gun laws until they are ruled constitutional or not by the United States Supreme Court.”

We’ve seen police use unnecessary no-knock warrants. We report on them several times a month. We’ve seen honest citizens get killed in those no-knock entries. The blood of honest citizens is not the correct solution for a political problem, a problem the Connecticut politicians created for themselves.

I am afraid the political status quo will lead to bloodshed and I think the Connecticut politicians are to blame. Mike asked moral gun owners to hold politicians accountable for the problem the politicians created. Mike said, “People victimized by their own state authorities in an unconstitutional law.. will blame the people who sent the killers to their door.”

Honest gun owners are not a risk to public safety so there is no pressing need for police action. None. The only risk is to some politician’s reputation. THAT is precisely the problem, and some of the politicians want to mask their political failure with innocent blood. That is despicable. A police state oppressing honest citizens is not a good political solution.

Politicians work for us. They are public figures. They need to be seen and known to the public they serve. That is how the American system works. It promotes violence when government officials live in secret and are insulated from the people they serve. History has taught us that. Mike asked Connecticut citizens to walk up to the front door of these politicians and ask them to overturn their oppressive gun laws. Welcome to democracy, face to face. That is exactly what Rachel is advocating in the Texas caucuses.

If you don’t want to meet and talk to the citizens then don’t become a politician.

Speaking for myself, I don’t want the police to come between the people and the politicians. A violent police state is profoundly dangerous. We’ve seen the police step out of the way before. It is called the blue flu.

It is time for the state police to step back and stop being pawns.

We have a three segment interview coming up with John McGregor. John is an active law enforcement officer as well as being an instructor at the Sig Sauer Academy in New Hampshire.

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John- DGU-A homeowner in Pine County Minnesota heard someone unexpectedly open the door to his his  home at two in the morning.  The homeowner grabbed his handgun and confronted the intruder standing in his living room.  The homeowner held the intruder at gunpoint and called police.  When the police were arriving, the intruder reached for his waistband.  The homeowner fired and the intruder fled.  Police followed tracks in the snow and located a man hiding in a snow bank behind a tree. The man was treated for hypothermia then booked into the Pine County Jail.  A vehicle, connected to the suspect, was found nearby.

Paul- DGU- This is sad news.  A young robber died and three young people face murder charges.  Two young men attempted a robbery armed with a 20 gauge shotgun.  Two accomplices waited in a get away car.  They demanded drugs and money from a homeowner in Hubert, North Carolina.  The homeowner secured and fired his 22 caliber pistol wounding the gunman.  The four fled, but crashed their car into another vehicle while en route to the hospital.  The 21 year gunman was taken to Camp Lejeune Naval Hospital for treatment, but was later pronounced dead.

Rob- DGU- A pizza delivery driver shot and wounded two robbers Thursday night in northwest Harris County, Texas.  Two men armed with guns and wearing bandanas over their faces entered the Domino’s Pizza Parlor and demanded money.  The delivery driver was in the store at the time, and had 25 years experience as a Harris County  Deputy Sheriff.  He drew his duty weapon and fired, injuring the two gunmen.  The gunmen were transported to Taub Medical Center in critical condition.  Neither the deputy nor other Domino’s employees were injured.  A Vice President at Domino’s pizza said they have a no weapons policy, but this a very unusual situation since their delivery driver was also an officer of the law.
Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rob: Listener e-mail discussion
Email from Shawn in Ohio:
Enjoyed the show. I am a resident of Ohio and a graduate of TDI’s F.A.S.T.E.R. Program sponsored by Buckeye Firearms Ass. It was great to hear your interview with Jim Ervin.
Shawn

Email from Ian:
Hi Paul, your initial reaction was not too surprising at the guy who wanted the English lady’s introduction removed. Your justification and emotional response was a pleasure to hear.

Thank you.
The reason I thank you?

I’m English, and I am also partner in a firearms training company called FAST OC down here in California… where I have had the pleasure of teaching quite a few Americans how to shoot. With my English accent.

I am also very community orientated and grow sick of the small minded idiocy of a percentage of gun owners that simply do not understand what they are saying… and how bigoted they are. It gets really weird when they are contradicting the fact that we are talking about, as you rightly pointed out, a human right. So few people seem to want to push back and explain that, and so the ignorance perpetuates itself.

Wouldn’t it be a bit weird if only American Citizens could keep and bear arms? It would make American citizens a protected class, missing the whole damn point of the 2nd Amendment!

As for Piers Morgan… I know the UK doesn’t want him back. There are two types of people back in the homeland. Those who despise Piers Morgan, and those who REALLY despise Piers Morgan.

Anyway, thanks again for making your position clear and thanks for the podcast. It’s one of the finest.
Regards,
Ian

John: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Paul: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: I have two of them.  One of them covers the expected backlog of carry licenses.  We expect 60 thousand applications in my county alone.

I wrote another post called Crazy Gun Laws for Us, but Not for Them.   Over and over we’re told gun regulations are essential to save lives, yet each time these public safety laws are written, public safety officers are the first to receive exemptions.  You can tell an abusive law when the politicians exempt themselves and other government employees.  That post was picked up at Clash Daily and Ammoland.  Both are on my blog.

John, do you have any blog posts that you want to talk about?  I wrote about the Canadian RCMP re-regulation at http://onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com/2014/02/interesting-controversy-going-on-in.html

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Rob: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

John: since the Canadians are listening, join CSA and NFA And Grass Roots North Carolina.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 215 – John Richardson and Frank Fiamingo

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Intro- Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society. This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, the 26th of February 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we interviewed Frank Fiamingo from the New Jersey Second Amendment Society.
John: I’m John Richardson from the Blog “No Lawyers, only Guns and Money”. We have our usual firearms news and defensive gun use. So climb aboard
Paul: strap in
Rob: And hang on! Episode 215 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Paul-
Rob- Shopping for a concealed carry gun in California. The Glock 17 looks good. As I was shopping I found that the Ruger SR 22 is now off list in California. The Ruger SR9 is going off list in a few months. This is becoming the revolver state! The lines are crazy! I was at a gun store where you had to take a number to ask a question. (Now serving number 39.)
John?
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Paul- Texas has a lot of political conventions. It has conventions at the Precinct, County and State level, and Texas has 254 counties! These conventions lead up to the primary vote. Our regular co-host Rachel Malone is conducting training sessions in advance of these conventions and urging second amendment activists to attend. Someone has to expose the record of lazy legislators. There are also petitions to allow open carry and extend where licence holders may carry. Thank you, Rachel. Please give her a hand if you’re in Texas, and contact her at Texas Firearms Freedom .com

John- More news from Texas.  The citizens of Texas open carry the only way they can.  A group of civil rights activists openly carried their long arms last month when two of them were arrested, but not charged.  That irritated these honest gun owners.  Last week they had an open carry march in Andrews, Texas, and participation doubled in size to 80 participants.  No arrests were reported this time.

 

Rob- Staying out west, we have an update to these two stories from New Mexico that we covered a few months back, and here is a “thank you” to Mick who sent them in.

First, the good news out of New Mexico is that several gun control bills failed to pass out of the state legislature.  Some made it out of committee on party line votes, but they lacked the backing to pass both houses.  This includes a bill to block concealed carry in the capital.

Paul- The second New Mexico story is about 64-year-old David Eckert who was stopped by the Demming Police.  Eckert was taken to a local hospital and subject to an involuntary cavity search and x-ray to see if he was transporting drugs.  No evidence was ever found of drugs or any other illegal activity.  The police and sheriff departments involved have agreed to pay Eckert 1.6 million dollars.  The suit against the Gila Regional Medical Center has not been settled.  Unfortunately, several other citizens were treated this way, and no discipline or termination of the officers has not been made public.

John- You may remember an earlier report about two police officers who were holding down a mentally disturbed 90 pound high school student they had just tazed.  That is when a Southport, North Carolina detective stepped between the officers and killed the teenager with a single shot to the chest.  District Attorney Jon David convened a grand jury.  The grand jury indicted detective Byron Vassey on charges of voluntary manslaughter and bail was set at 50 thousand dollars.  District Attorney David said, “After I reviewed the case I found that a crime almost certainly took place.  It was a ‘bad shoot’ and a grand jury agreed.”  Detective Vassey has been suspended without pay.

Rob- That news you just read from North Carolina belongs in our NOT A Defensive Gun Use column!

Paul- We took this news item from our Stupid Government File, Washington DC prosecutors rested their case against against Mark Witaschek.  (WHIT-A-SHEK) Witaschek is charged with having a misfired shotgun shell in his DC apartment.  He was prosecuted under DC’s laws outlawing all ammunition components unless they fit a gun you’ve previously registered in the district.  Witaschek keeps his guns in Virginia.  Spokesman for the DC attorney general claimed  the dud-shotgun shell was technically operational and that Witaschek was prosecuted because he posed an ongoing and serious danger to the public.  Despite that claim, the DC prosecutors downgraded charges against Witaschek to avoid a jury trial.  Appearing before a judge, Witaschek still faces thousands of dollars in fines, hundreds of thousands of dollars in legal costs, and six months in jail.

John- But that doesn’t deserve a jury trial?
Rob- I know why they are prosecuting Witaschek. Most of the evidence in the case was suppressed because the police did not have a warrant for their earlier no-knock raid. DC continues to prosecute him in the hope they can get him convicted of any crime so the city can use that conviction to stop Witaschek from suing the city for unlawful entry. I hope the city fails and pays.
John- The Stupid Government file is bulging these days.

Rob- San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore has a schedule extending past September for the initial interviews for concealed carry licenses. Orange County is taking applications for November. They delay the “initial interview” since California law (Penal Code 26205) requires that permits must be processed within 90 days. The waiting list will get longer, and Sheriff Gore leaves citizens at risk while he fumbles.

Just this week, a masked gunman robbed a San Ysidro hotel at gunpoint Monday night. He struck the night clerk and threatened him with a handgun. In another part of San Diego, a masked man threatened the gas station clerk with a gun and demanded cash. He fled on foot with an undisclosed amount of money. There are another 180 violent crimes in San Diego each day, and the Sheriff tells us to wait.

John- There are still 30 violent crimes each day in the richest Los Angeles suburbs, and interim Sheriff John L. Scott thinks that is acceptable. Scott will wait until the courts force him to issue permits for armed self-defense in public.

Paul- There is another California story in store.
Rob: Of course there is. There is stupid, and there is California Stupid.

Someone invented what they call a “smart gun.”  Sometimes the gun recognizes when it is close to an electronic watch, and it will let you fire it when you’re close to this watch.  Sometimes it won’t.  That is why the police don’t want it.  California requires that we use smart guns despite the fact they don’t work.

New Jersey has similar laws.  They claim that a police officer should use “smart guns” so their weapon can’t be used against them, but the New Jersey police are not that stupid.  Yes, the requirement is being appealed to the courts, but the courts are weak protection of our rights at best.

Paul- I thought the police were citizens.  No?

Rob- Is it an accident that they require us to use a gun that doesn’t work, or is it on purpose?

John- California Stupid could be coming to a legislature near you.

Rob- Oh, like microstamping?

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Paul – Connecticut officials have a problem on their hands.  Some Connecticut gun owners registered their firearms as required by new laws.  Some missed the deadline.  Now Connecticut has told the gun owners who filed late to get rid of their unregistered firearms.  So far state officials have ignored the 90 percent of Connecticut gun owners who did not register their guns.  Are law enforcement officers going to start kicking in doors?  Mike Vanderbough of the Blog Sipsy Street has posted the names, addresses and photographs of the legislators who passed the latest anti-gun bills.

Y’all stay safe out there.

John- Some lawmakers are smarter than others.  A concealed carry holder in Michigan is usually prohibited from carrying at schools, churches, sporting events and restaurants that serve alcohol.  A bill introduced by Michigan representative Tim Kelly gives permission to carry in those prohibited places to victims of domestic violence and stalking.  The bill is HB 5355.  Quoting Kelly, “Anyone who needs to take out a restraining order to protect themselves from violent crimes like domestic violence should be given the same rights as those who work with violent criminals.  The unfortunate reality is that some violent offenders.. take advantage of a gun-free zone to inflict further pain on the victim.”

Rob: Yep, that makes Tim Kelly smarter than my California legislators.

Rob- Ukraine’s Interior Minister, Vitaliy Zakharchenko (ZAK HAR SHEN KO), said the use of automatic weapons and long range rifles against unarmed civilians in Kiev was “in line with the law”.  That attitude by a government official explains why Ukraine’s citizens would not back down and recently overthrew their government.  My thought has always been that the individuals right to own a weapon ought only to be limited by their financial situation.  You should be able to own anything you can afford all the way from a 10-22 to an F-22.  Finland allows citizens to own their own anti-tank guns.

John- Now that they deposed Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych (YAN UH KO VITCH) and are seeking him for warcrimes,  the Ukraine Gun Owners Association wants changes to Ukrainian constitution.  They said they will work on amendments which would provide an unconditional right for Ukrainian citizens to bear arms.  Over 70 people died during protests this last week, and amateur videos showed snipers shooting at unarmed protesters.

Quotes from the protesters,
“People should have the right to bear arms, which will be put in written into the Constitution.”
“Authorities should not, and will not, be stronger than the people!”
“Armed people are treated with respect!”
Paul : These Ukrainians figured out why we have a second amendment here in the US.

Rob: I’ve always wondered what a trained SWAT sniper would do if he saw police shooting first aid worker and other civilians.

Paul: Our Gun Quote today is in honor of Ukraine and Venezuela- ”They tell us that we are weak and unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Three million people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us.”
~Patrick Henry
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 4 DGUs
Rob- DGU- A Cincinnati dog owner was trying to retrieve her dog when the dog attacked the owner’s friend.  A nearby postman tried to get the dog to let go but was unsuccessful.  A stranger walked by, drew his firearm, and killed the dog.  The victim was bitten on her arms and legs.  She returned home after a few hours of medical treatment.  The unidentified stranger kept walking.
The dog’s owner said the man who shot her dog did the right thing.  Police said the man who shot the dog didn’t do anything wrong and would not be charged with a crime.
Rob: Doing the same thing in Washington DC makes you a criminal.

Paul DGU- Detroit has two legged predators.  A Detroit woman arrived home just after midnight.  Two carjackers pointed a gun at her head as she walked to her front door.  She drew her own gun and shot the gunman seven times.  He died at the scene.
About 90 minutes later a second pair of robbers burst into a home and that homeowner killed one of them.  The second criminal escaped.

As of Sunday morning, the score is
Detroit gun owners -2
Detroit criminals- zero

John DGU- A burglar broke a window to enter a Dyersburg, Tennessee apartment, but got more than he intended.  Hearing his apartment being broken into, the unnamed resident fired a single shot hitting thirty year old David Miles Junior in the groin.  Police found Mr. Miles a short distance from the apartment complex, the same complex where he is also lived.  Miles was transported to a Memphis hospital where he was treated for the non-life threatening gunshot wound and released into police custody.  Miles is now charged with aggravated burglary, but he also has pending domestic violence charges.

Another apartment resident said it was a good example for others, “Don’t break into houses, because you could get shot like that.” The District Attorney’s office said charges would not be filed against the resident who defended his home.

Rob DGU- A homeowner is safe and an armed robber is in jail.  A homeowner in western Washington was in his garage with a friend working on a car.  That is when two masked men entered the garage and tried to rob them at gunpoint.  The homeowner’s friend retrieved a gun from his car and shot one of the robbers.  The other thief fled.  After police arrived, the wounded criminal was transported to a local medical center with serious injuries.

Paul DGU- An 11-year-old girl shot a cougar that followed her 14-year-old brother to their home in north-central Washington.  The female cougar was about 4 years old and weighed about 50 pounds, or half of what it should weigh.  It was the third cougar killed in a week in the area just outside Twisp.
The children’s father, Tom White, had chased the cougar away from their calves twice before. The next day, his son went out to feed the dogs and was returning home when the cougar followed to the door. The 11 year old had a hunting tag to shoot the cougar.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rob: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Paul: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in Centerton Arkansas on March 1st and 2nd.

John: Rob do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: I posted an article about armed school staff called “A Good Teacher with a Gun”.  Did you know that Connecticut school boards can allow armed staff in schools?  They didn’t, and Sandy Hook teachers died fighting with their bare hands.  Let’s give them the tools they need.  That is at SlowFacts.wordpress.com

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Robl: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rob: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

 

John; add Grass Roots North Carolina, and since the Canadians are listening, join C S A and N F A.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 210 – Bob Owens and Anthony Colandro

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Catch up with each participant
Paul: We’re joined by Rachel Malone.
Rachel: Getting ready for 2A lobbying at the Texas State political conventions. Help set the tone at the primary rather than the general.
Rob: I remembered where I keep my guns, and put them on so I’d remember what it feels like. That is dry practice. Sort of.
Paul: Doing the firearms twostep as I drive from state to state. Leaving Illinois and heading to Georgia.
Tom: Bought a Ruger Mk I but have not shot it yet. I’m going to leave the show. I’ll tell you when I announce my new projects. I’m excited about the Polite Society meeting in two weeks. I’ll shoot either my Springfield XD or Baby Eagle. Both are 40 cal.
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Tom: This article on police no-knock raids is from the Washington Post which included videos of a raid that took place in Des Moines, Iowa.  The homeowner was accused of credit card fraud.  He was sitting in the bathroom when his door was broken in.  He drew his firearm, heard the police announce themselves, re-holstered his weapon and sat back down to wait for the police.
The homeowner says he didn’t hear the police announcement until after one officer had already tried to kick in the door. Had that officer been successful in entering the first time, there’s a good chance that the homeowner, the police officer, or both would be dead. The police department would then have argued that the homeowner should have known that the people crashing into his home were law enforcement. Excuse me?!

The police can not simultaneously argue that these violent entries are necessary to take suspects by surprise and also claim the surprised suspects should not react violently because they already know they are being raided police rather than criminals. That line of pure propaganda is exactly what the police are selling. When citizens are injured, that is the propaganda that most prosecutors and judges are buying.

Des Moines police said they “do not have a written policy governing how search warrants are executed.” The Washington Post said that’s inexcusable.

Rachel -One Texas grand jury isn’t buying the no-knock excuses any more.  The grand jury in Burleson County refused to issue an indictment for murder after a drug dealer shot and killed a deputy during a no-knock raid.  The defendant, Henry Goedrich Magee was indicted on drug charges.  Magee said he thought the deputy was burglarizing their home and that Magee and his pregnant girlfriend were being robbed.

As a purely practical matter, it appears that Magee was growing several marijuana plants in his backyard.  That evidence wasn’t going to fit down the toilet while the police are knocking on the front door and presenting a warrant.

Rob – I guess I could mail in this news article.  The US senate took a baby step towards freedom when they required the US post office to allow firearms in their parking lots.  There has never been a federal law preventing guns in post offices, but the US post office has established its own regulations denying you arms.. and they have more lawyers than we do.

Paul:  But not more lawyers than the US senate.

Paul: -This is a case of putting your hands and feet where your heart guides you. Guns for Everyone was founded in 2010 as a joke.. until lawmakers in the Colorado legislature decided to write so many anti-gun laws.  Then, Guns for Everyone started offering free firearms training.  Their free training includes free kids handgun safety classes, and some of the classes are taught BY youngsters.  “What better way for kids to learn than with the help of other kids. These classes are also supervised by an NRA Certified Instructor.”  The class outline is pretty serious.

  • Handgun Rules and Etiquette
  • Handgun Safety
  • Fundamentals of Shooting
  • The kids get to shoot simulated guns

Their website is Concealed Carry for Free.com

Rachel: – Another piece of good news from Colorado, a bill received bi-partisan approval for CCW permit renewals in the county where you live.  Before it was the county where the permit was issued, so licensees could have quite a drive if they moved across the state.

Tom: -Two good Samaritans in Florida were trying to do a kid a favor by offering him a ride.  They quickly found themselves the victims of an attempted armed robbery or carjacking.

From the back seat of the car, Adrian Mangual-Ayala put a gun to their heads and threatened to kill the driver and passenger if they didn’t give him money.  The driver stopped the car and gave Ayala his money.  That is when the passenger jumped in the backseat and disarmed Manguel-Ayala, beating him so badly that his eye swelled shut.  The two good samaritans then held the gunman until the police arrived.  Authorities arrested 16 year old Mangual-Ayala on two counts of robbery with a firearm, unlawful possession of a firearm as well as violation of probation.

It isn’t a DGU, but I wanted to share a story with a happy ending.  Next time, carry concealed.

Rob: – Here is another Florida story with a happy ending, and it IS gun related.  Less than a week after Florida Carry filed its lawsuit, Eastern Florida State College revised its regulations to allow firearms in private vehicles on campus.  Florida Carry won a similar suit last December against the University of North Florida.  The reason these schools settled so fast is that Florida state law grants financial penalties against public entities and individuals who violate the rights of gun and defensive weapon owners.  Thank you, Florida Legislature and keep it up Florida Carry.

Paul: – Dennis Baxley is a Republican state representative in Florida.  He introduced a bill to protect children from being expelled due to educators “zero tolerance” of anything shaped like a gun in schools.  The representative calls it the “Pop-Tart Bill” after students were suspended for eating a corner of a poptart.

The bill would prohibit schools from taking disciplinary action for a range of possible infringements including vocalizing gun sounds, using hands to simulate a weapon, possessing a toy firearm made of legos, possessing a toy firearm that is smaller than two inches in length, and possessing a food item that resembles a firearm in shape.  The bill has received the support of the Florida House education Subcommittee which includes several educators and at least one Democrat.

Rachel: -South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley said she is eager to sign a bill working its way through the legislature to allow licensed gun owners to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol, though they can not consume while carrying.  Restraunt owners have the right to prohibit firearms in their businesses, but Governor Haley said she’d allow guns in if she owned a bar.

I knew there was a reason I like South Carolina.  South Carolina listeners should make a few phone calls and get that bill on the Governor’s desk.

Tom: Darn it, now I have to choose between South Carolina and Florida.  Nicki Goser help get the laws changed in Tennessee.

Rob: Did you know that the records of Florida license holders are NOT open to the public?  Plus-one for Florida.

Rachel: What about Texas?

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Tom: Then how about New Mexico where a State Senate panel rejected a bill restricting firearms in the New Mexico Capitol. The Rules Committee voted 4-2 Wednesday against a measure that would have banned firearms, except by law enforcement officers, in the Senate chambers, galleries and committee rooms.

Rob: – Things aren’t so rosy in California.  U.S. District Judge Kimberly J. Mueller, an Obama appointed judge, will review California’s microstamping law as early as next week.  The state law demands civilian firearms must leave a unique mark on each shell casing.  Manufacturers say they can’t guarantee the microstamping, but the California Department of Justice and Attorney General Kamala Harris say the solution is to prohibit sales of all non-complying guns.  They state claims they didn’t outlaw the guns, they simply made requirements so no guns can be sold in the state.

There is stupid, and then there is California Stupid.. and I live there.

Paul: -This politician is telling the truth.  John Tkazyik, the mayor of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., said he quit the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns after he realized its objective was outright confiscation of firearms from law-abiding citizens.  “Under the guise of helping mayors facing a crime and drug epidemic, MAIG intends to promote confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens,” Tkazyik wrote in a Wednesday column in the Poughkeepsie Journal.  Mayor Tkazyik is one of about 50 mayors who left Illegal Mayors Against Guns.

Rachel: -This came item came from listener David Cole.  It is hard enough to become a commercial pilot.  It is doubly difficult to earn the right to fly armed for the defense of the aircraft, passengers and crew.  The Armed Pilots Program is one of the most rigorous, stringent and exclusive programs to put firearms in the hands of civilians, but that is the model Joe Kalil selected when he wanted to bring armed self-defense to public and private schools.  The project is called P.O.S.T. for Protect Our Students and Teachers, and it is a layered defense against an active murderer on school grounds.    Experts on public violence have moved far beyond the model of huddle and pray, but some school administrators remain stuck in the past.  The basics of the POST program include; only accept volunteers from school staff, pass initial interviews, background checks, drug tests, a polygraph test, and applicants must possess a state license to carry concealed.  That is before the several day training course begins.

Here is the good part.  This a non-political grass roots program that says we should remove the school board members who want to leave our children defenseless.  The program is initially directed at Kentucky schools, but could grow across the country.  Interested listeners should check out postky.org

Rob: I spoke with Joe Kalil.  Liability is not really an issue.

Tom: Gun Quotes
“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.” written 1700 years ago by the theologian Saint Augustine (Au-GUS-tin) of Hippo

Rob: We have two interviews coming up.  The first is Bob Owens talking about the terrible politicization of Connecticut gun laws.  The second is Anthony Colandro running for the NRA board of directors.

Paul: Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this.
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Segment 3  Interview with Bob Owens who writes at Bearing Arms.com
Interview with Anthony Colandro who owns Gun For Hire Range in Woodland Park, New Jersey  and is running for the NRA board of directors.

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob: DGU1- by an off duty officer.  Robert Lundy was at the wrong place at the wrong time.  He was at the local ford dealership in Taylor county Florida so his police car could be serviced.  A fifteen year employee of the dealership came in and started shooting people with a shotgun.  (Joe Biden, take note.)  Officer Lundy shot the madman within a minute and prevented a massacre.   Thank goodness there was a good man with a gun in the right place at the right time.

Rachel: DGU2- A DeKalb County, Georgia, woman came home early Tuesday and found two teenagers in her home.  Better late than never, she grabbed her gun.  One teen ran out the back door and the other tackled her to the ground. The woman fired several shots, but no one was injured.  , according to police. A neighbor’s security camera captured the teens, and the woman was able to lead police to the suspects.  DeKalb County police arrested a 16-year-old and a 17-year-old, whose names were not released.  “They were skipping school today,” Capt. Stephen Fore said.

Paul: You can share the show with a friend by sending them the link to our download page. You can also share any of our news or DGUs. We have the links to each article online at Polite Society Podcast.com
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Tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson talking about cold weather carry.

Listener e-mail discussion
Paul: From Marc in Ohio
Guys,
I am a father of four girls with a baby on the way. I just listened to the Bold Departure Podcast episode with you guys as guests. Thank you guys for having a very frank discussion. Kids require parenting not legislation.
I’m going to expose my method of firearm instruction for my kids. My kids’ ages are 13, 11, 8 and 5. All of them shoot to some degree. The youngest doesn’t even aim but she enjoys some trigger time. They all shoot .22 pistols and rifles. My 13 year old started shooting the .40 caliber pistol last year. They all shoot the AR. I realize our vice president’s opinion of the AR is it’s difficult to shoot but my 5 year old does just fine. All my girls have their own safety glasses and hearing protection. None of them have ever been forced to shoot. When I announce I’m headed out to shoot Who ever speaks up gets to come. Sometimes all of them come sometimes only one will come. Occasionally they ask me to take them shooting.
Play guns have no rules at our house. They are toys and are used as such. Real guns have rules. My rule is the girls can handle any gun they want any time they want. The catch is mom or dad must make it safe first. Once in awhile one of the kids gets the itch to hold one of my EDC guns. They ask to hold it. I make it safe and hand it to them. I watch their muzzle discipline with amazement. They all understand the potential energy of firearms. They respect them and enjoy the shooting.
I was asked recently by my youngest to look at my Glock 22. I removed the mag and locked the slide back. I handed it to her. My 5 year old pointed the pistol at the ground, turned her body and raised the muzzle towards the field in back of the house. She makes some shooting noises. She will point the muzzle back at the floor and turn to hand it back to me. It’s amazing to see.
My kids see myself and their mother every day. There is no curiosity to be satisfied. They can touch any weapon they want any time it’s made safe. Just to make sure we don’t misjudge, all firearms are on our person or in the safe.

I have a great story to share. A police officer friend tells me about a ground hog in his back yard. He decided he needed to shoot this ground hog. He retrieved his service rifle from his cruiser. When he walked through his home carrying his M-16 his 10 year old daughter gasp in fear. She assumed terrible things were going to happen with daddy carrying that scary gun. In contrast, when I walk through my house carrying an AR I usually hear cheers and chants of, “Can I Come”. My kids know it’s time to go shooting!

Keep representing gun owners in a positive light.
Marc in Ohio.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Tom: That’s 605- 215- 1438 and we sprinkled salt on it so the answering machine has more traction.

Tom: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in early March.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Tom: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Colorado Second Amendment Association, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Paul, That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.
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Episode 77 – Bob Mayne and Glen Tate

News from Congress on gun bans, and gun bans working through legislatures in Illinois, New Jersey and New York. Bob Mayne and Glen Tate are guests.

299 Days

Handgun World Podcast

Today’s Survival

 

I must apologize for not getting the website links updated in a timely manner. I was without my laptop for most of this week. ~ Paul

Episode 76a – News from Illinois and Frank Fiamingo.

In this episode Toby and and Paul talk about an attempt in Illinois to quickly pass a gun ban, and Paul interviews Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS about the Connecticut shooting and other topics.