Episode 328 – Laura Carno and Jeff Street

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 3 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with Laura Carno about her post, “no, I will not shut my pie hole”.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Baltimore riots.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a homeowner uses a handgun to defend themselves after their home was burglarised for the second time in a week…  so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 328 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Gary- Waiting for my AR to arrive by mail.  Added lights to my safe.  I’m going to hear Sonal Shah speak.

 

John – I had a hearing exam on Monday. I have tinnitis or ring in the ears that is due to exposure to loud noise when I was younger. I did something stupid but that was common back then – I shot without hearing protection. Now I have both ringing in the ears and high frequency drop out. I’m sure there will come a time when I need hearing aids. In other firearm related personal news, I finally weighed the lightweight AR I built. Without optics and a backup rear sight, it comes in at 5 lb, 12 oz. With those attached, I’m still only at 6 lbs 2.7 oz. I just need to find time to try it at the range! I’m also gathering parts now to make a retro style AR. This AR building is addictive!

 

Rob- I was in Los Angeles earlier this week, so I dropped in and heard Alan Korwin speak.  Alan owns and runs Bloomfield press.  He wrote many books and has a great blog called page nine.  Doris started the group, Children of Jewish Holocaust Survivors and the group Jews can shoot.  Alan spoke about what to do after you’ve defended yourself.  That was interesting, and the audience was interesting.  Also, Doris gave me a great hat.  I shot IDPA and mentored another group of doctors for their first shots.  Someone brought a FN 5.7 and they let me shoot it.  It is loud, but doesn’t have much recoil.

 

Paul – RANT

 

I need to go off a bit here. I had a friend and dedicated fighter for our rights post a video to my wall asking if he knew who the person was that was in the video that he posted. The video was of a single person doing an “open carry” demonstration of the sidewalk in front of the federal courthouse in Sioux Falls. The video came in 2 parts and never showed the face of the person who recorded the video. I did not recognize the voice of the person and so I replied and said that I didn’t although the kid was a bit of a ummm jerk. I said worse on Facebook, but I keep the show very family friendly.

 

It turns out that I do know the person. They replied on Facebook and let’s just say that the butthurt was strong in that one.

 

Let me take just a minute here and let me let you know how I feel about open carry, although for many of you this may be a bit of going over well trodden ground I think that it is important.  Actually let me read a post I made to facebook and I will continue on after that.

 

I support your Second Amendment rights, I believe that you have the right to posses and peacefully use any weapon that you can afford. This includes everything from the 10-22 to the F-22. I also support your 1st Amendment rights to say whatever you feel, to worship whatever God you believe in and associate with whomever you chose to.

My hobby and part time side business ( Polite Society Podcast) relies and advocates heavily on both of those rights guarantees the Constitution offers.

However if you are one of those that are being a jerk about your 1st and 2nd Amendment rights, doing some of the myriad of things that hurt us. Things such as open carrying in a manner that causes public alarm; carrying a rifle in a place of business (some leniency given to those in Texas and other states where open carry of handguns isn’t allowed);, or making videos while egging police on just to hopefully make a “YouTube celebrity” out of yourself while using a fake name you are hurting us badly.

I use my real name both here on Facebook and on my show. I don’t hide behind some made up moniker. If you cannot put your real name to what you are doing, if you would not be proud to have your social media posts displayed to your parents, to your preacher, to your doctor or to your grandchildren (whether or not they agree with you) then PLEASE for the love of God DON’T post them!

A lot of people have “friended” me on Facebook because of the show. Thank you to all of you who have, even if I haven’t met you personally or interacted with you often. If you think that I might be referring to you in this post then it’s possible that I am. I beg of you to please look at what you are doing and think to yourself “Is what I am doing going to alarm someone who may be neutral to our fight and make them think that the other side may be right?” (end of FB post)

 

I support your right to open carry. I open carry my handgun while at home. I have participated in organized open carry walks. If done correctly open carry can be a powerful tool to help us. If done incorrectly it can be a tool for Bloomberg’s demanding mommies, CSGV (coalition to stop gun violence, and the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence? )and others to point and say “look at the loonies that they have! Even worse, it can make the average citizen who votes, and is neutral to our side turn away from us.

 

While you are open carrying EVERYTHING that you do is magnified. If you are polite and respectful, if you are dressed well and well groomed, and if you inspire confidence in those around you that helps us.

 

If however you are a jerk to those that you interact with, if you are untidy or unkempt, or most importantly if you instil fear you are doing more damage than demanding mommies or the brady bunch ever has.

 

Again I ask, if your actions could be seen to intimidate PLEASE think twice about doing them.

 

Rob- We are ambassadors.  Are you a good ambassador who will appeal to the average citizen?

 

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Seg 2- News

 

Paul- Leading the news we have conflicting statements from Baltimore Mayor Stephanie Rawlings-Blake.

 

The mayor said the following in a press conference when things started to get ugly in her city. (Audio clip #1)

 

After getting some criticism she then decided that she never actually said that at all, and that we were just twisting her words. (audio clip #2)

 

-Paul- this is classic Progressivism. She is going on as if nothing ever happened. Making it up as she goes along. I would suggest Mayor Rawlings-Blake that you mark the block that your personal residence is on as a place set aside as room to destroy That sounds like a better balance to me than places where hard working people are trying to make a living.

 

We are going to take a quick side trip here. while perusing Facebook one evening I came across a video that puts the Police violence thing in perspective. Here is some audio. (Audio clip #3)

 

-Paul-  A couple of things about this caught my attention. First that they looked not just at deaths but at all charges of excessive force by officers, Second that they broke things down by contact.

I am one that doesn’t respond well to percentages and so did some of my own math on the figures they presented. If 2000 people are contacted in one form or another by police 1 person will file an excessive force complaint. Of all the complaints only 8 percent had merit, so if police were to contact 25000 people on average only 1 complaint of excessive force would have any merit. That is a DAMN good track record.

 

Rob- there are 20 gang murders for every gun related homicide that involves a policeman.  The vast majority of the police involved shootings are ruled to be justified by self-defense.  That puts violence into perspective.

 

Rob-  Taxes and regulations in Baltimore drove businesses out of the city.  Unemployment jumped.  Addiction rose to record levels.  Fatherlessness rose as young men could not find jobs and start families.  People who still had jobs left Baltimore because of increasing crime.  The price and quality of housing crashed, just as it has in Detroit.  While all of this was happening, the city, state and federal governments poured extraordinary amounts of money into housing projects and schools.  Now a black drug addict whose mother was a drug addict was injured by a mostly black police force controlled by black politicians.  People rioted and burned stores owned by koreans. Government policies killed Baltimore.. and now they are looking for someone to blame.  The politicians will blame racism.. and propose the police wear body cameras.

 

Let’s also ask every elected official to wear body cameras too.. with another camera placed in their office.  That is leading by example.  Anything else is politics as usual.

 

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John-

Waiting periods

There are several myths about gun control.  The first is that waiting periods save lives.  A waiting period is the delay between purchasing a firearm and taking possession of it,.  It has been called a “cooling off” period that could stop impulsive actions.  That doesn’t make sense if the buyer already owns a gun.  That is what a Federal Judge said in California, but California politicians appealed the judge’s decision anyway.

 

One Wisconsin lawmaker finally had the courage to state the obvious about waiting periods.  Wisconsin Senator Van Wanggaard served as a traffic investigator and graduated from the Racine police academy.  He said waiting periods don’t work.  Studies backed him up.  Waiting periods don’t change the overall suicide rate or homicide rate.  Some studies found a decrease in violence while other studies found an increase in violence associated with waiting periods.  The results hinge on a critical distinction, are we disarming a violent criminal.  or a potential victim.  The proposed change in Wisconsin law eliminating waiting periods goes to the Wisconsin Assembly and then, hopefully, to Governor Scott Walker for his signature.

 

Background checks fail again

Background checks are another gun-control myth.  Making honest gun owners re-register their firearms is somehow going to stop criminals from getting a gun.  Would it stop car theft if we had to go to the department of motor vehicles so I could drive your car?  Mandatory background checks are being proposed in the Oregon legislature.  Background checks are already mandatory in Washington state so we can see if they are effective.

 

Despite their gun prohibitions, the impossible happened this week in Thurston, Washington.  A high school student brought a gun to school and started shooting.  He was tackled by a teacher, and no one was injured.

The student was sixteen years old, so couldn’t own a gun.

The student was on probation, so couldn’t touch a gun.

Thank goodness Washington State has mandatory background checks so the student couldn’t take someone elses gun.. but he did.  Detectives say the student wanted to commit suicide by cop.

It looks like gun prohibition doesn’t work, but that won’t stop bigoted anti-rights politicians.

 

– In New York state, any pretext is good enough for another firearms restriction.   Now an Amish man is suing New York because of state gun laws.  New York requires a background check whenever guns change hands.  The background check requires a photo identification card.  The Amish don’t have photo identification, so now they can’t buy or sell guns in New York.  Tell me again who new york laws are protecting us from?? from the Amish?

 

– In Vermont, Bloomberg’s anti gun groups were pushing for mandatory background checks each time you took possession of a gun.  They spent almost 138 thousand dollars promoting the legislation.  Pro-rights groups spent only 20 cents for every bloomberg dollar.. and the pro-rights groups won.  There are no mandatory background checks in Vermont.  That took work from vermont gun owners.  Well done!

 

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Rob- 7th Circuit Upholds Assault Weapon Ban

On Monday, the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals upheld an Illinois city’s ban on so called assault weapons and high capacity magazines. This stunning ruling specifically dismisses the Constitution, the Bill of Rights and recent case law and instead relies upon the presumed feelings of the public. The majority of the three judge panel held that “if a ban on semi‐automatic guns and large‐capacity magazines reduces the perceived risk from a mass shooting, and makes the public feel safer as a result, that’s a substantial benefit.” In other words, if some the public can be convinced that the ban could make them safer, it’s OK; facts be damned. It’s hard to imagine a more incoherent legal justification.

In his dissenting opinion, the third panel judge wrote that the ruling is “at odds with the central holdings of Heller and McDonald: that the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self-defense within the home.”

 

This issue will almost certainly go before the Supreme Court at some time. For the citizens of Highland Park, Illinois, and of this nation, we can only hope it’s soon.

 

John – Why do I have the song Feelings running through head. “Feelings, nothing but feelings, oh, oh, oh”

 

Gary- Two  judges side with the politicians to give them more power.  Judges say all it takes is a good sounding headline to justify disarming the public.  The uninformed public will “feel safer” after they read the political spin.

 

Anti-Gun Researcher Refuses to Debate Dr. John Lott

The research director for Bloomberg’s astroturfing Everytown for Gun Safety, recently refused to debate gun law researcher John Lott. While we can’t blame Bloomberg’s mouthpiece for being chicken, after all, Dr. Lott is a force of nature with facts and statistics, his refusal to talk face-to-face is telling: antis just don’t have the facts on their side.

 

C-SPAN invited both gentlemen to discussed a recent Pew Research Center study that found more Americans now think protecting gun rights is more important than controlling gun ownership. Everytown’s Mr. Alcorn declined  to appear at the same time as  Dr. Lott, resorting to personal attacks to explain his refusal. Alcorn was allowed to appear after Dr. Lott, completely eliminating every possibility of give and take.

 

Lott said he was disappointed someone from Everytown wasn’t willing to discuss the Pew Center’s findings. The Pew study showed Americans who had once worried about crime and favored strict gun control, now wanted no more laws or even to loosen gun restrictions. “In short, we are at a moment when most Americans believe crime rates are rising and when most believe gun ownership — not gun control — makes people safer,” wrote Pew’s Andrew Kohut. “Every country in the world that’s banned guns has seen an increase in murder rates,” said Dr. Lott, president of the Crime Prevention Research Center and the author of “More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun Control Laws.” Lott said that with more stories about defensive gun use being distributed in the new media, people are catching up to research on the issue. He reiterated that predictions of gun control advocates have never come to pass.

 

Spreading the word of lawful defensive gun uses is a big part of what we do here at the Polite Society Podcast.  It seems we are helping to make a difference.

 

Michael Moore Relies on the 2nd Amendment?

Big screen fabulist, virulent anti-gunner, noted hypocrite and left-wing barking moonbat Michael Moore may be supporting Michelle Obama’s claim that chronic obesity can lead to early-onset senility.

 

Very early Thursday morning, the big chunk took to Twitter to demand the immediate release of every African-American in prison for drug or nonviolent offenses. For his next belly-flop into insanity, Moore imperiously demanded that all police instantly disarm. Oddly enough, he justified that stupidity by noting; “We have a 1/4 billion 2nd amendment guns in our homes 4 protection.” Although true, that’s very odd reasoning from someone who wants the public’s firearms seized at gunpoint by the police. However, apparently even that blind pig can find an acorn of 2nd Amendment truth once in a while.

Go to bed Mikey, you’re drunk on yourself.

 

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Gun Quotes

It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. Upton Sinclair

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Jeff Street teaches firearms safety at his church.

First Baptist Church Naples

3000 Orange Blossom Drive

Naples FL 34109

 

Do you charge? Free.  Can’t charge when we use the church buildings.

How long have you been teaching at the church? About 2 years

How many attend the classes? 10 – 45

What is the goal of the class? This class is a great refresher for those current firearm owners and a wonderful introduction for those who are seeking information to start their firearm journey.

Emphasis on Dry Practice Training drills you can do at home to improve your fundamental skills including but not limited to grip, stance, trigger press. We also work on safe handling while drawing from holster, strong hand to off hand gun transitioning, etc. We also discuss personal defense ideas and issues. Mindset, The Law and Physical Skills.

What equipment do you use?  Blue Guns, SiRT Laser Pistols, Train Safe Barrel Blocks, Clearly marked dummy ammo (no live ammo is allowed in the classroom), LASR software from centroloutions using Infrared cameras and infrared SiRT pistols.

What is the overall reception to the training? They like it very much.  They also come to our live fire classes at LouLand Gun Club.  We put on Scoot and Shoot events at least twice a month.  The scoot and shoot is competition with yourself.  Some come to improve their competitive skills and some come to practice their self-defense skills. Some do both on the same day.

What are your credentials?  We have instructor certifications from; the NRA, Defense Training International John Farnam, RangeMaster Tom Givens, and Gabe Suarez.

 

Contact Jeff Street at Step by Step Gun Training

http://stepbystepguntraining.com/drypracticeclass/

 

Laura Carno’s blog post on legislative stategy-  No, I Will Not “Shut My Pie Hole!

Laura’s other websites are-

I am created equal.

Laura Carno.com

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

(WHY DO WE WANT TO LIST EXAMPLES OF WHAT NOT TO DO? -ROB)
I see it as part of our charter to teach and inform. I think it is an important story, as long as this type of issue is not overdone. However, I could certainly be wrong – I’m married after all.  😉 Dan

 

XX- The news media won’t call it a defensive gun use, but we saw it in Ferguson, Missouri.  We saw it again this week in Baltimore, Maryland as well.  We saw stores smashed, looted and burned during riots.  We also saw store owners protect their businesses by standing there with a firearm.. and with no shots fired.

A Baltimore Sun reporter left his Crips gang member protection and was maced by a looter demanding his cell phone. The attack was stopped when the reporter ran to a store owner with a shotgun.  More guns, less crime.

 

Tennessee Homeowner Shoots Robber

An East Knox County, Tennessee homeowner was startled awake early Wednesday morning by the sound of breaking glass. From his bedroom, the homeowner saw an intruder climbing through a living room window. The owner fired once, and the robber fell backwards. Police found the perpetrator dead on the porch.

The late James Melvin Vinson had accumulated an extensive criminal record in his 40 years, including multiple theft and drug charges. At the time of his final crime, he had two outstanding warrants; for theft and for violating the parole that put him back on the street once again. Mr Vinson was the very definition of an outlaw; largely unrestrained by the legal system.

 

The homeowner is not expected to face charges. Under Tennessee’s Stand Your Ground law the man was within his rights when he used a gun to defend his home and his family.

 

Misuse of a Citizen’s Firearm

With rights come responsibility. A North Carolina man failed to use his rights responsibly in a shoplifting incident at a store. A man ran from the Beasley Power Equipment store with a pilfered a chainsaw. The thief jumped into a vehicle with two others while being pursued by the store owner’s son. They sped off after the son brandished the pistol and ordered them to stop. Two shots were fired at the departing vehicle and the driver was hit in the head. The store employee reported those facts to a 911 operator, along with an admission that he had seen no firearm. Their conversation, of course, was being recorded.

 

Our DGUs usually show the proper lifesaving use of firearms. For educational purposes, we do comment when their use could have been better. As such, we must point out when someone is legally and morally wrong when employing a weapon.

 

Most states hold that firearms can only be used in the defense of one’s self and others. A fleeing thief is simply not a danger to the CCW holder. Only a few states allow deadly force in defense of property; North Carolina is probably not one of them. In any case, a chainsaw cannot be equated with a human life. The pistol owner simply should not have fired in that situation. He should have been a good witness and reported the license plate numbers to the police.

The driver has been hospitalized in critical condition, his two confederates charged with felony theft. At this time, the shooter is under investigation by the district attorney. The shooter and his business will almost certainly face civil lawsuits. Self-defense classes like Massad Ayoob’s MAG 20 would have would have certainly made this mistake less likely.

 

Homeowner Shoots Two in Second Home Invasion in a Week

In the warped world of the criminal, they can come to feel they own something merely by desiring it. This can lead to repeated, seemingly improbable, attempts to possess the thing. This may be what happened to a California homeowner this week.

 

In the normally peaceful Pittsburg, California neighborhood, a homeowner shot and killed two home invaders Friday evening. This was the second time in a week that their home had been a burglarized. In the earlier incident, four people had been arrested. At this time, it is not known if the two deceased were somehow related to the earlier incident.

 

A neighbor wondered if there was a the connection between the two home invasions. “There’s no way of knowing,” he said. “They broke in and ransacked the place, and maybe they saw something they liked and came back.”  “If I was in (the homeowners) position, I would have done the same thing,” he said.

 

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Paul-

Salt Lake City Warning Shot

A his and her burglary team broke into a pricy Salt Lake City area home Monday morning. Alerted by the family’s dog, a neighbor called 911 and the homeowner grabbed a gun. At one point, the homeowner fired a warning shot, chasing the duo out of the house – and straight into the arms of the arriving police. Authorities report that the suspects have previous criminal histories.

 

Warning shots are rarely a good idea. The self-defense use of a firearm is usually limited to life or death situations. If the victim has time for a warning shot, almost by definition the situation cannot be that critical. That bullet has to go somewhere, perhaps threatening someone in the home or some distance away. And the victim has thrown away a significant portion of their life-saving device’s resources.

 

Quality formal training may have kept the homeowner from making this possible error. That being said, we commend the homeowner, the neighbor and police for the happy resolution to this home invasion.

 

Store manager shoots would-be robber in East Houston

The manager of an East Houston Cash-n-Carry was assaulted in the front door of his store Thursday morning. A robber put a gun to his back and demanded his cash. It apparently wasn’t the manager’s first rodeo, as underneath the package in his arm – he held a legally concealed handgun.

 

In that extreme situation, the manager used his gun and put two or three shots into the chest of the armed robber. The robber died at the hospital. An accomplice may have fled the scene in a getaway vehicle.

 

The robber paid the ultimate price for nothing, as the manager’s bag didn’t contain the hoped-for cash, instead only toiletries. To the good, the manager was able to stop the theft of his own life through his foresight and preparedness.

 

Utah CCW Stops Carjacking

 

A Utah CCW holder stopped a carjacking at a Macy’s in Orem, Utah on Saturday and ended a crime spree. The unidentified CCW holder, a 31 y.o. male,  had been shopping and came out into the parking lot to see a woman screaming as she was being pulled out of her Mercedes. The carjacker had stolen a truck earlier and was “trading cars”. The CCW holder ordered the carjacker out of the car. The carjacker then lunged at the man and tried to take his firearm upon which he was shot and killed. Police are treating this as a legitimate use of deadly force and are not charging the CCW holder. The carjacker, whose name is being withheld pending an autopsy, was wanted on several felony warrants. Police are searching for two other accomplices who fled.

 

Houston CCW Stops Carjacking

Wednesday evening a man was sitting in his vehicle in downtown Houston when two men asked for a ride. The motorist naturally refused and the two men left, but they came back. At gunpoint, the driver was ordered to kneel behind the car. When both men got in, the victim drew his legally possessed CCW and fired at the driver. The 30 year old carjacker died a short distance away, his accomplice escaped on foot.

 

The case will be referred to the grand jury to determine what, if any, charges will be filed.

 

Man Shoots Attacker With Attacker’s Gun

And lastly, a hapless New Orleans thief was shot with his own gun after his armed robbery attempt went dramatically sideways. The intended victim was having none of the assault, won the struggle for the gun, and immediately employed it in self-defense.

Good on the victim for turning the tables on the feckless thief. However, it’s usually best if you bring your own concealed weapon, rather than relying on the perpetrator to supply one for you.

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

We got this comment on our website and we thought that we would share it.

 

Great show. I was surprised to hear that more firearm genre radio programs could not be recalled, so allowe me. There is the “Lock Stock and Daria” out of Rhode Island (local), “On Target” broadcasting out of Illinois (local), Georgia Carry.org out of Atlanta (Local), now these are just off the top of my head. But you all are correct Gun Talk was the first nationally (key word) syndicated radio show and it was decades before they were challenged. As with National Media’s bias towards gun self defense stories, what they are not realizing or unwilling to realize is that local media has to report such events in their news cycle. What happens is average Joe one night watches the local channel 5 and learns of a single mother with two kids suffer a home invasion possibly ending with death, the following week average Joe watches a story of an 85 year pistol packing Ethel putting six in a bad guy saving her sick husband’s life. Now average Joe starts to think, and begins to talk to friends and so on and so on, the whole time national media sit in their New York bubble believing they are controlling the message, and fortunately with new gun friendly media that is no longer a true statement.

Keep pumping them out, I’ll keep listening.

 

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I asked the question, How Does a Business Survive a Riot?  We saw it in Los Angeles.  We saw it in Ferguson.  Now we’ve seen it in Baltimore.  I have answers from Charles Heller, Dave Cole, Miguel Gonzalez, George Hill, Stephen Wegener, Ben Branam and Layla Sumners.  You can find their answers at SlowFacts dot wordpress dot com

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

 

I just want to quickly mention two posts that are related. First, I posted about Lonnie and Sandy Phillips. They were the plaintiffs who are now liable for attorneys’ fee for having sued Lucky Gunner and Sportsman’s Guide. We expressed some sympathy for them in the podcast last week. Turns out they are Brady Campaign employees and have been since 2013. Second, I did post the first of my Bad Apple Lawyer series featuring Prof. David Kairys who developed the public nuisance theory that was used in many municipal lawsuits against gun makers.

 

Both of these and more can be found at my blog. The address is onlygunsandmoney.blogspot.com

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 266 – Laura Carno and Assemblyman Brian Jones

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2014
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll have interviews with Laura Carno and California Assemblyman Brian Jones
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news, so climb aboard
Rachel strap in
Rob: and hang on! Episode 266 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- Dry practice, buying ammunition and writing. The article I wrote about my “may issue” sheriff was picked up by Ammoland. From there it was picked up by NRA news. Scheduling some training.

Rachel- Not much news, just work and homeschooling. Enjoyed our trip to the beach last weekend and watched a great football game in which my brother’s team won.

John – My Next Level Training SIRT pistol arrived yesterday. And I love it! I have been doing some dry fire practice and trying out all the features of it.

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Rachel -John Katso was a New York prosecutor.  He prosecuted organized crime.  He prosecuted street gangs in Syracuse, and put 130 gang members in jail.  He and his family were threatened.  Katso asked for and received permission to carry a firearm.  His car was robbed in the church parking lot while Mr. Katso and his family were inside.  His firearm was taken from the car.  A few weeks later, the thieves used the stolen firearm in a strongarm robbery of an illegal gambling house.  All that happened 14 years ago.  This November, John Katso is running for congress.  Katso’s opponent says he negligently gave firearms to criminals.  Here are points to ponder;

One- Take your gun with you when you go to church.
Two- Read political comments in New York media very carefully.

John Comment- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms loses about 15 firearms a year.

Rob- A police officer in New York city stopped at a Bronx bodega on his way to work at the 44th precinct.  Three thugs beat him and grabbed his firearm.  Fortunately, they did not kill the officer.  Backup officers caught the thugs and recovered the pistol.. this time.

John Comment- The 44th precinct is where John Cardillo was a patrolman.  We’ve had John on the show.
Rob Comment- I’ve heard an officer say he can never lose a fight.  The officer can run away, but if he loses a fight then the odds are the thugs will kill him with his own gun.
Rachel Comment- Here is an important safety tip- don’t fight a police officer.

John- Welcome back from your long Labor Day weekend.  In New York City, 15 people were shot on Saturday and Sunday, and another 10 were shot on Labor Day.  4 of them died from the gunshots.  In Chicago, 33 people were shot and three of them died over the three day weekend.

Rob Comment- Ouch.  Those gun free zones aren’t working, are they!

Rachel- This phrase has become a joke, “Trust me.  I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”  The US military was going to help local law enforcement by giving them surplus military weapons.  They received M-4’s, M-14s and M-16s.  They received shotguns, handguns and armored vehicles.  As you’d expect, the local police departments are not as careful with other people’s property as they might be with their own equipment.  184 state and local police departments have been suspended from program and the entire program is under review.  Weapons are missing from police arsenals.. as well as two humvees.

In Mississippi, the Meridian Police Department was suspended from the program after their inventory showed four missing M14s.  In neighboring Arkansas, the Lawrence County Sheriff’s Department was suspended after it lost an M14 assault rifle and a night vision scope that was “damaged and destroyed” without prior approval.  The Huntington Beach, California Police Department was suspended from the program after losing an M16 assault rifle.  Quote

“The loss was discovered during an internal audit, and an investigation was inconclusive as to how that occurred.”

John Comment- I have a curio and relics license, and I don’t think the lost weapons were transferred with a 4473.
Rachel Comment- No, probably not.

Rob – This law enforcement officer knows his citizens.  Maryland politics are dominated by Baltimore and the DC suburbs.  Rural Maryland is another country entirely.  Wicomico [wy-KAHM-ih-koh] County Sheriff Mike Lewis reminded the citizens of his county that he will not violate the Constitution.  “I made a vow and a commitment.  As long as I am sheriff of this county, I will not allow the federal government to come in here and strip my citizens of the right to bear arms.”  Sheriff Lewis is mindful of keeping firearms out of the hands of dangerous felons, but also explained, “We do not need to strip law abiding citizens of their Second Amendment right to bear arms. That I get upset over. I really do.  I can tell you this.  If they attempt to do that, it will be an all-out civil war. No question about it.”

Rachel Comment- I bet he is part of the Constitutional Sheriff’s and Peace officers association.
rob Commnet- I wish he were my Sheriff.
John Comment- Yeah, but then you’d have to live in Maryland.
Rob Comment- Good point.

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John- Welcome back. The California legislature did not close business until 5am Saturday morning.  There were several proposed bills that attacked the right of armed self-defense.  Some of them died in the legislature, and some of them are sitting on the Governor’s desk waiting for his signature.  The Firearms Policy Coalition wants to flood California Governor Jerry Brown’s office with e-mails and faxes.  Give them some clicks at VetoGunControl.com  These bills establish firearms restraining orders, mandate firearms registration, and mandate a gun owner re-transfer his own firearms each time he leaves or enters the state.

Rachel Comment- Let’s give California gun owners some help.

Rob – Here is some more news from the land of the fruits and nuts.   A junior high school vice principal in California was arrested after he didn’t break the law.  Bakersfield police took 51 year old Kent Williams, into custody sometime after 9 am.  Williams is Vice Principal of Tevis Junior High School.  Assistant Superintendent Gerrie Kincaid said she immediately notified police when a district administrator called her with an anonymous tip that a staff member had a gun on campus.

Vice Principal Williams cooperated with the school resource officer and said his licensed  firearm was secured in his office.  It took the Bakersfield police several hours to conclude that no laws had been broken because the Vice Principal holds a valid Kern County concealed weapons permit that allows him to have a firearm on a school campus.  The Vice Principal remains on paid administrative leave from the Panama-Buena Vista Union School District for violating district policy by bringing the firearm on campus before he received permission from Superintendent Gerrie Kincaid.  Superintendent Kincaid said “We’re a gun-free zone.”

Rachel Comment- Evidently they are far from a gun free zone.
John Comment- A gun free fantasy zone maybe, but not a gun free zone.
Rachel Comment- Does an “anonymous tip” sound suspect to you too?

Rachel- Here’s some breaking news from Texas. Today, Michael Keoughan stood trial regarding his arrest in Andrews, TX last January when he was openly carrying a rifle. Michael is a part of Come And Take It Texas but was doing a solo walk in a new location as part of a brand-new CATI chapter. CATI-TX has stood with him through his legal harassment this year, and today he was vindicated as the jury returned the verdict: Not Guilty.

Rob Comment-  It is legal if we all do it but not legal if you open carry alone?

John – The Washington Times described the booming business from pro-gun restaurants.  There are some 57 thousand businesses that welcome the armed citizen.  The Cajun Experience in Leesburg, Virginia, has Second Amendment Wednesdays, where patrons are encouraged to either go concealed carry or open carry.  Shiloh Brew & Chew in Maryville, Tennessee gained national media attention by putting a sign in the window of her restaurant welcoming firearm owners with permits.  The Chicken Express in Bossier City, Louisiana, gave a free combo meal to patrons who showed up with a concealed carry license.   John Kavanaugh owns Kavanaugh’s Esquire Club in Madison, Wisconsin decided not to disarm his honest patrons with a “no guns” sign. Quote ”..what if a crook came in and realized he was the only one with a firearm? Why should I post that? There’s never been an issue about it. We have such a variety of customers — older, younger, a lot of families.”  Some restaurants ask their customers to disarm.  The Pit Authentic Barbecue in Durham, North Carolina, decided to  hang a “No Weapons, No Concealed Firearms” sign in the window.  The barbecue restaurant was robbed at gunpoint in May. Two employees were injured, with one ending up in the hospital. Their Raleigh restaurant is the one  that hosted Gabby Giffords on her so-called listening tour.

Rachel Comment- Gun check! Who has their gun?
Rob Comment- Podcasting makes me hungry!

Rachel- Last episode we talked about more school districts with armed school staff on campus.  This is why they are critically important.  A teenager threatened to shoot her classmates and teachers at Franklin High School near Cincinnati, Ohio.  The 15 year old student told her friends she wanted “to do a mass school shooting and end it with suicide by cop.”  Her friends told school officials and the student was arrested.  She is being held at the Warren County Juvenile Detention Center.

Rob Comments-???  I’m sad that this young lady is suicidal.  We’re lucky she was stopped in time.  I’m glad more school staff are armed.

Rob- This is a story about someone who hates gun owners.  The self-proclaimed liberal democrat Mike Dickinson sent out a tweet saying “Dear god, please use Ebola to infect the NRA and it’s various members. For they are a true virus and true terrorists in America.  There would be no funnier thing then to see the NRA members in a death clutch of their gun while dealing with Ebola.”  Dickinson used shock media to get attention before.  In July he offered 100 thousand dollars for nude photos of the hunter and college cheerleader Kendall Jones.   Dickinson also attacked the The Tea Party and Christians.

John Comment-  I don’t think reaching out as a kinder and gentler gun owner is going to help with this guy.  He hates us.
Rachel Comment- Haters are going to hate, and it isn’t about us.

John – We have discussed the impact of concealed carry on the murder rates in Chicago a number of times on the podcast. A different take on this comes from Kurt Hofmann writing for the JPFO. Kurt holds that it is unnecessary to rely upon statistics to make our case for gun rights. Kurt states, “I don’t care because fundamental human rights–and the right to self-defense must be seen by any rational, ethical person as chief among those–cannot legitimately be held hostage to a requirement for a favorable statistical outcome.” He goes on to make the point that using numbers to justify our rights tacitly surrenders those rights if the numbers turn against us. He concludes by saying that our opponents try to bolster their weak arguments using stats like “a gun in the home is 43 times as likely to kill a family member” etc and that we must be better than that.

Rachel – This might seem philosophical, but we can do that every now and again.  Some liberal politicians want us to turn in our guns.  All of them.  Those are their words, not our words.  Their  “common sense regulation” is simply a series of stepping stones to disarmament.  We’ve taken about 23 thousand such steps in the United States so far, and the gun grabbers are still not satisfied.  Let me modify that last statement; citizens will be disarmed, not the government.  In fact, as citizens are disarmed and crime soars, the police claim they need more and more arms.  We’re told again and again that officer safety is paramount.  We have another example of where totalitarian power leads.  This example comes from Iraq.  ISIS, the Al-Qaeda associated group, issued this declaration for all land under its control.   in Iraq . . .

No public gathering are allowed other than those organised by ISIS. No guns are allowed other than those belonging to ISIS and carried by its supporters.

It has been said many times that power grows out of the barrel of a gun, and it looks like ISIS is embracing that idea.

Rob- Gun Quotes- To trust arms in the hands of the people at large has, in Europe, been believed…to be an experiment fraught only with danger. Here by a long trial it has been proved to be perfectly harmless…If the government be equitable; if it be reasonable in its exactions; if proper attention be paid to the education of children in knowledge and religion, few men will be disposed to use arms, unless for their amusement, and for the defence of themselves and their country. — Timothy Dwight, Travels in New England and New York [London 1823]

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Segment 3 Interviews

Laura Carno at 5:10 Defend Colorado, bring the second amendment supporters into this election.  Raise money and keep it in Colorado.  When was the event?  Where was the event? Who spoke?  Celebrities or candidates at the event?  How many attended?  What else is happening in Colorado politics?  Hickenlooper pardon, and Udall lied.  Laura’s I am created equal site is here, and Udall Lied is here.

Assemblyman Brian Jones of the California Assembly Republican Caucus.  The legislative session closed for the year.  The right of self defense had some wins and some losses this year.  Second amendment supporters are in the minority in the California legislature.  They fought SB 53 to a tie and it died.  Could you tell us about SB 53 and how you managed to stop the bill?

What are the other bills you managed to stop?
What anti-gun bills passed?
What should self-defense advocates do now?
Call the Governor.  Citizens in California have to vote and help get out the vote.

Here is a video of Assemblyman Brian Jones defending armed self-defense on the Assembly floor.  Here is the Assemblyman’s website, and here is his facebook page.  You can thank Assemblyman Jones by e-mail- brian@electbrianjones.com

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel-This defensive gun use story is from Orchard Park, New York.  A homeowner and his son heard unusual sounds from an upstairs room at 1am.  They saw two people dressed in dark clothing use a ladder to break into an upstairs window.  The homeowner called police.  The homeowner and his son also grabbed their firearms and held the two intruders at gun point until police arrived.    Police arrested 18-year-old Jacob Rappleye and 22-year-old Anthony Guarino.  Both are charged with attempted burglary, criminal mischief, and unlawful possession of marijuana.

Rob Comment-

Rob – Also from New York, a homeowner called police.  She said two people were trying to break into her home in Crystal Lake.  By the time officers arrived, the thieves had broken in, and one of them had been shot in the stomach.  The homeowner fired after the intruders kicked in her locked door and advanced on her and her children.  Nicholas Porcayo, 18, and Brandon Mendez, 19, were charged with intimidation, a Class 3 felony, and criminal trespass to a residence, a Class 4 felony.  Mendez was taken to an undisclosed hospital with injuries that were not life-threatening.  Mendez already has a pending case in which he has been charged with two counts of criminal damage to property of less than $300, Class A misdemeanors, and mob action, a Class C misdemeanor.  He also is under court supervision for a misdemeanor battery charge, a case in which he also was charged with aggravated battery, a Class 2 felony; resisting or obstructing a police officer resulting in injury, a Class 4 felony; and theft of less than $500, a Class A misdemeanor. Those charges were dismissed.

Rachel Comment- Another frequent flyer.

John – This is why you carry.  It happened along a walking path in Lancaster, Ohio.  Dinah Burns was walking her dog when two young white men came out of the woods along her path.  One of them held a baseball bat and said she was coming with them.  The two men were not afraid of her dog, but they fled after she drew her handgun and pointed it at them.  Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she’d only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Rachel- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

We’ll be back..

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Listener e-mail discussion.

Rob- I got an e-mail from listener John in Texas who recently got his pistol instructors certificate.  He also has a SIRT pistol and promised to share his training tips with me.  Congratulations, John, and I want to hear your ideas.

Rachel- Here is an e-mail from TJ

Hey everyone,
Can you guys give some tips on keeping front sight focus while transitioning between targets and shooting while moving? I tend to shift my focus from my sight to the next target and then have trouble refocusing on the front sight to make my next shot. Any tips would be greatly appreciated!

Thank,
TJ Gauthier

Rachel- practice slowly and perfectly
Rob- distance. point shoot versus slow aimed fire.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?  Only that my post on my “may issue” sheriff was picked up by NRA news.  How about you John?

John do you want to mention anything off of your Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

I wrote a post on Tuesday regarding Tamara Keele’s decision to suspend her very long-running and very popular gun blog, View from the Porch. At the heart of her decision was having to deal with a cyberstalker. I said the person involved needed to be charged, convicted, and imprisoned. While I have been informed of his name, I don’t feel it proper to state it on the podcast as that would be giving him more attention than someone of his ilk deserves.

John- Rob, what do you have up on SlowFacts?
Rob- I’ll have a post comparing self- defense in two cities.

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Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the next time…
John: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 254 – Kevin Starrett, Luke Wagner and Kyle Coplen

Introduction- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, July 23rd 2014. I’m John Richardson.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Kevin Starrett from the Oregon Firearms Federation.
I’m Rob Morse. We will talk with Luke Wagner of the Colorado Second Amendment Association.
Rachel: We have an update from Kyle Coplen of the Armed Citizen Project in addition to our usual news and DGUs, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Rachel: Episode 254 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I’ve missed the last two podcasts so I guess I have some catching up to do. Last Wednesday, I got to tour PTR Industries plant in Aynor, South Carolina. They make the PTR-91 rifle. It is the civilian version of the HK G-3. I was able to interview Chris Petersen of PTR for a later episode. I also got to shoot the PTR-32 Gen 1 Plus in 7.62×39. In other news, Barb and I got married. If you read my blog, you may have heard me refer to the Complementary Spouse. Barb is more than a complimentary spouse now.

Rachel- I’ve had a houseful this past week and have spent most of my time keeping meals rolling for all my guests and taking care of the kids, but still found some time for gunpowder and lead. Instructed an Appleseed shoot in Waco last Saturday because my kid dragged me (proud of that kid!) and one of the participants let me shoot his K31. Loved it. =)

Rob- Dry practice. Planning to shoot IDPA this Saturday

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Rob- Let’s start with some good news for the right of self-defense.  Philadelphia lost a large court case because they infringed on the rights of legal gun owners.  The city was ordered to pay 1.42 million dollars as well as the costs of administering the legal settlement.  The settlement runs to 11 pages.  Here are some of the highlights-

  • Philadelphia agrees not to disclose License to carry firearms applicant information either electronically or in-person.
  • The police department agrees to annual training for the License and Inspection Board of Review, and the Gun Permit Unit.
  • The city agreed to post a copy of the application process on their website.  This includes license applications and the appeals process.  The city must also submit a copy of the license appeals process to anyone who has their license denied or revoked.
  • The city no longer requires or contacts character references from license applicants.
  • The city will not ask if applicants already own a firearm.
  • The city will not confiscate a license or a firearm from a licensee unless there is probable cause that they are needed as evidence of a crime. If they are confiscated, then the officer must immediately provide a property receipt, which shall include the pertinent information for their return.

That is a good day for civil rights in Philadelphia.

The decision must irritate the Pennsylvania attorney general, and that is a good thing too.

Rachel- I don’t know the whole back story on this positive turn of events, but I know one thing: it happened because somebody got off the couch and did something.

Rachel-This last weekend, 40 people were shot and 4 were killed in the gun control paradise of Chicago.  Chicago politicians blame weak gun laws, but the real cause are the drug gangs who feed on social policies that resulted in broken families and economic policies that destroyed jobs.  Chicago politicians have company.

Rob- Weekend death toll in ny?  I called the new york deputy commissioner of public information and spoke to his office.  I also sent them an e-mail request for information about this weekend’s statistics.

John- This is an election year, so some ridiculous bills get passed and some reasonable bills never make it to a vote in committee.  A recent case is the rider to a congressional bill written by Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky.  Massie is optimistic about Senate support for the language he attached that would dismantle the local gun laws in the District of Columbia.  The congressman is realistic enough to doubt the measure will ever reach the Senate floor for a vote.  Quote “Twenty rank-and-file Democrats in the House voted for the amendment, and I know Democrats in the Senate would vote for the amendment.. but I suspect Harry Reid will do everything he can to prevent that vote from happening.”  Senate majority leader Harry Reid did not respond to questions about Massie’s pro-gun proposal.  Neither did some of the vulnerable Democrat senators from conservative states, Senators such as Alaska’s Mark Begich, Louisiana’s Mary L. Landrieu, and NC’s Kay Hagan.  Massie’s amendment would likely have a Senate sponsor in Kentucky Republican Rand Paul.

Rachel- Here’s an issue that divides even strong gun rights supporters. A man open carrying a gun in a south Kansas City Walmart store alarmed shoppers early Monday.  Yes, shoppers were frightened even though open carry is legal.  A customer in the store called police to report the man.  The customer also reported the incident to the store manager. The store manager then asked the armed shopper to take his gun back to his car.  The gun owners was doing that when the police arrived. Kevin Jamison of the Western Missouri Shooters Alliance said that while open carry is legal, it doesn’t mean it’s always a good idea.

Rob- Friends, this is not how you convince the public that gun owners are trustworthy.  In fact, it is the opposite.  Your ounce of good intentions are outweighed by the ton of bad press.  Let me say this again.  It doesn’t matter how you see open carry; it matters how your audience sees open carry.  In the battle for hearts and minds, your audience gets a vote and you don’t, because it is their opinion we’re trying to change.

Rachel’s reply-  We are all ambassadors all the time.

John- The first Tuesday in August is almost here!  You might remember that Missouri Governor Jay Nixon vetoed a number of pro-gun bills after the legislative session passed.  There was also a proposed state constitutional amendment placed on the Missouri ballot.  The amendment added language protecting ammunition and accessories typical to the normal function of our firearms.  The amendment recently survived a challenge in the state supreme court, so Missouri voters may have a say in the right to bear arms after all.  The amendment gets voted on in the August 5th election.  Missouri gun owners, and their friends, get active.

Rachel- We reported several personal attacks at Target department stores since the company asked customers and staff to disarm.  Here is the first reported murder on Target property since their disarmament press release.  The disarmed victim was part of a night cleaning crew.  The victim was shot and transported to a local hospital where he died.  The assailant was a known gang member and later tested positive for being high on bath salts.

Rob- I hate it when a gun free zone fails and people die.

John – Beretta USA announced on Tuesday that they plan to move ALL production to their new plant in Tennessee. Previously, the new plant in Gallatin, TN was only intended for new production lines. Beretta USA said the reason for this was due to Maryland passing such draconian gun laws in 2013 and the anticipation that it will only get worse. The production of the Army’s M9 pistol will continue until all current orders are filled. They will be leaving their administrative, executive, and import offices in their Accokeek, Maryland location.

Rob- The polite society podcast is a little late in getting out the news, but I love giving credit when law enforcement gets it right.  In Ohio, the Union Township Police Department will host a Gun Safety Class for children from ages six through 13.  The two hour training class starts at 10 am on Saturday, July 19.  The class covers the nomenclature and safe handling of handguns, shotguns and rifles.  The class does not include any live fire training.  Donuts, juice and coffee will be provided.

Rachel- Gun Quotes
The gun control extremist has at least two things in common with the Islamic extremist. He has a willingness to die for his fundamental beliefs. And he has the sanctimony to demand that others go with him.” – Professor Mike Adams

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Segment 3 Interviews

  • News from Kyle Coplen at the Armed Citizen Project
  • Interview with Kevin Starrett from the Oregon Firearms Federation by skype at 5:30 pacific!
  • Interview with Luke Wagner from Colorado Second Amendment Association

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- Bad choices sometimes have a happy ending, but there might be more to this story.  This home break in occurred in Carrick, Pennsylvania.  It was 2AM when two men fired through the front door of an apartment building and forced their way inside.  A 19 year old man and a 17 year old woman were in the building at the time.  The intruders forced the man into side bedroom.. the side bedroom where the homeowner kept a loaded shotgun.  Both intruders were shot.  One died at the scene.  The second intruder fell down the steps and was taken to UPMC Mercy hospital. His condition is unknown.

Rob- I hear Rachel’s comment, carry or hope you are lucky and guess correctly.

John- Sometimes there is no good solution.  40 year old John Mapp attacked his 38 year old sister.  The crime took place around 3:40 AM in West Philadelphia.   Mapp then attacked his 34 year old younger brother.  The younger brother is a paraplegic, but he remained physically strong enough to pull out his handgun and protect himself.  He shot his older brother once in the chest.   The older man was taken by police to the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania where he was pronounced dead. The sister was also taken to the same hospital for her injuries.

Rachel- There are millions physically disabled individuals who are attacked each year.  Some of the disabled can defend themselves.

Rob- Phyliss Law’s home had been broken into before.  That is why some of the windows were already boarded up in this Prichard, Alabama home.   Phyliss heard the thieves pry open one of her windows.  This time she told her granddaughter to hide in the closet.  The 63 year old grandmother wanted the the thieves to leave, but they turned on the lights and began to inventory her home.. again.  This time she was armed with a 9mm handgun.  She fired when one of the thief entered her back bedroom.  She fired again and one thief was stuck in the head.  Despite his wound, both thieves were able to flee.   Later, when the police arrived, they briefly handcuffed Phyliss Law.  She was released on the scene.  The juvenile victim and his accomplice were arrested by police.  The wounded teen survived his wounds.

Rob- Now Phyliss keeps her shotgun near her bedroom door.

Rachel- Here is a good Samaritan story from Hubertus, Wisconsin.  An innocent man was walking his dog when three Pit Bulls escaped from their backyard and charged at him. Dennis Williams lives nearby, and heard the victim scream for help. Williams saw the attack through his window and ran to help.  He tried to stop the attacking dogs with a baseball bat.  Quote “It was one of the worst things I’ve ever witnessed. The dogs were on top of the man and his dog. They were not going to stop. I first tried hitting the Pit Bulls with a baseball bat, but they wouldn’t relent. There was blood all over the ground.”  Close quote.  Williams drew his handgun and killed one of the Pitt Bulls. The other dogs then backed-away.  The man and dog who were attacked required treatment for severe bite and puncture wounds.

We say children are not trusted with firearms, yet we trust these same children to watch their siblings.

John- This San Antonio, Texas homeowner had been robbed before.  This time a 20 year old man broke into the home of a 70 year old man who was ready for him.  After the intruder broke into through a back window, the 70-year-old homeowner used his handgun to shoot the intruder three times in the leg.  Paramedics transported the intruder to the hospital, and he is expected to survive.  The homeowner was not expected to face charges, police said.

Rob-  Two home invaders in Jackson, Mississippi thought 2:30am on a Friday morning was a good time for a robbery. They thought wrong. Jonquez Porter, 19, is now dead and his accomplice Romelo Porter suffered a wound to the leg as the homeowner fought back. Police have not identified the homeowner but had this to say about the incident:

“”You’re entitled to have a weapon in your home and certainly you’re entitled to defend yourself and your home. Apparently, from all we know, this is what this homeowner did,” (Asst Police Chief Lee) Vance said. “The deceased suffered the consequences that come sometimes when you break into somebody’s house.”

Rachel- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John- this in from a listener

Hey guys,
Love the show, and heard you are looking for feedback on what works/doesn’t work. I want to say my favorite parts are the DGU discussions because they give me examples to provide to others who do not yet appreciate the necessity of the right to own and carry a firearm.

Thanks for all your work.
Zach Esposito

Rachel- The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes.Her next class that has seats available is September 13th and 14th in Culpepper Virginia. Also remember that in September is the couples class in Centerton Arkansas with Jon Hodoway, Go to Cornered Cat dot com for info on her classes and details.

John- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- Sheriff Gore is my sheriff and I reported on the victims in his county.

Rachel- Bob Mayne will be on our Saturday show. Bob and Ben Branam will also be doing a training class in Sioux Falls, SD in the spring of 2015. Tune in to this weekend’s show for details.

Rachel- Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend ) show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 238 – Memorial Day and Frank Fiamingo

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Personal news from each participant
Paul- Memorial day
Paul- mag 40 and the bucket list

John- I’m wearing my CalGuns Tee in honor of their latest lawsuit against Kamala Harris. I’d like to also like to remember those who have died in the service of our country. Without their sacrifice – and that of their families – we wouldn’t be the nation that we are.

Rachel- Last weekend, I visited the Silencer Shop here in Austin along with a friend who was picking up a suppressor he’s been waiting for five or six months. This week, a friend suggested I take a stress-relieving trip to the range (brilliant) – but the best I’ve been able to do is to wear my T-shirt that says “Bullets Make Me Happy” and dream about shooting cool guns.

Rob- I’m now an NRA pistol instructor. That was a long 2 day course, but it definitely changed my attitude. I took the course so I would be consistent and teach my friends. I changed my mind because I don’t want to be an average instructor even if I only teach a few friends. That means that I have to go back and unpack the class notes I just crammed. I have my reading set out for me for the next few weeks as I study and re-study the material. Second, we learn to teach by teaching. That means I have to work with and watch better instructors if I’m going to do justice to my students. I have to apprentice myself.

In the class I met a guy who makes custom holsters, so I have three new kydex holsters and mag pouches on order for my 22 handguns.

Today I visited a brand new firearms store with a laser training simulator in my town.

John, I still haven’t gotten to shoot the Mosin Nagant with Mojo sights. Did you see the pictures of the sights?Mojo sight rear

Gary –
Paul- Link to Mag 20 class schedule
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Rob- Have you guys seen the new episode of Colion Noir’s interview show called Noir on NRA Freestyle TV?  It stars Colion and Amy Robbins.  Episode two is out.  I’ll watch a few more episodes.

Comments- Why is this program about pop-culture and firearms important?

Paul- A murderer near the University of California at Santa Barbara killed for 10 minutes in streets filled with university students walking, biking and skateboarding in the beach community.  The murderer acted in a way that was similar to the threats he posted on a  YouTube video posted that same night. Seven people were killed in all, including the shooter.

During the statement by the murderer’s family’s attorney, it was revealed that the family is staunchly anti-gun and support gun control laws. Quote “This country, this world, needs to address mental illness and the ramifications from not recognizing these illnesses.”

Comment- Where have we seen this before?  Arapahoe High School, Colorado

Comment- Crazy people, particularly rich crazy people who want sex and resent their social awkwardness do a lot of damage when no one can stop them.

Comment- gun free zone in a “won’t issue” California county.

John- We told you about the Hinsdale Illinois eagle scout who was suspended for a day after he wore a shirt with an outline of a gun that advertised his shooting team.  Highschool senior Chris Borg spoke at the school board meeting.  Both the school board and the school administration were evasive enough to make my stomach turn.  The school said they would remove the suspension from Borg’s record.

Comment- Why is it important to publicly ridicule anti-gun bureaucrats?

Rachel- Remington Arms is moving another two of its firearms models from its Ilion, New York facility to its new plant in Huntsville, Alabama.  This includes its line of Bushmaster rifles and its 1911 handguns.  Federal legislators like New York Senator Charles Schumer and New York Governor Cuomo endorsed gun control, and then claimed it wouldn’t cost jobs.  It looks like the New York politicians were wrong again.. not that they care.  Ilion New York is closer to the Canadian border than it is to New York City.. and probably didn’t vote for them anyway.

Comment- Why does this matter to New York gun owners and New York voters?  Why does it matter to the rest of us outside NY?

Rob- My sheriff Bill Gore, the Sheriff of San Diego County, now says he wants the California Attorney General Kamala Harris to appeal the Peruta court decision.  Kamala Harris also said she did not want to be part of the Peruta case.. until the gun grabbers lost the case.  Originally Gore said he wanted to hand out carry licenses, but the law prevented it.  Then he said he would obey any decision handed down by the courts. Now he says he wants someone else to appeal the case.  Sheriff Gore’s changing his story doesn’t surprise me at bit.  The only amendment Gore supports is the fifth.

Comment- What is the political cost if an incumbent Sheriff lies to his constituents?

John- This is what happens when corrupt anti-gun politicians can “interpret” the law in Colorado.  Sara Warren has her carry license.  She was in a traffic accident and the police collected her firearm from the EMTs.  Now, Sara can’t get her gun back because the Fort Collins city attorney won’t give it to her.  First the city attorney said they needed a background check, so Sara gave them all the information they needed.  Then the city attorney said they needed an FFL, so Sara brought along a police officer she knew who was an FFL and who would transfer her firearm back to her.  The anti-gun city attorney threatened to prosecute any officer who transferred the firearm to Sara Warren.

The police are allowed to temporarily hold a firearm for 72 hours without a transfer.  They should have returned her firearm at that time.  The Fort Collins city attorney only agreed to return her firearm when the press started pestering him.

Comment- Who is politically responsible for these decisions?  (The mayor or city council appointed Steve Roy as City Attorney.
Why is this important to Colorado gun owners?
Why is this important to all Colorado citizens?
Should Sara have reported the firearm stolen since it was taken by extra-legal means?

Rob- How many of you have heard about Doctor John Lott?  He wrote the books on guns and crime.  Books like “more guns less crime” and “The Bias Against Guns.”  Dr Lott digs out the anti-gun lies and destroys them root and branch.  I’ve read three of his books and shaken his hand at the GRPC conferences.  Dr. Lott started a research institute about guns and crime, and he wants to fund the institute with crowdsourcing.  Bloomberg dropped a few million dollars on a university so the purchased professors would spew out the anti-gun research papers that Mayor Mike wants.  Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor Lott.  I said we.  I did.  Now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Comments- Why is accurate research important to the right of self-defense?

John- Just because the Brady Campaign has been made largely irrelevant by Michael Bloomberg’s money and Everytown Moms for Illegal Guns doesn’t mean that they still can’t cause trouble. On Monday, they filed suit in conjunction with their NJ chapter to force the Acting Attorney General of New Jersey to file the required “personalized handgun” report. If the AG attests that a “smart gun” has been either offered for retail sale or that a manufacturer has delivered a production model of one to a FFL, then the 3-year clock starts. After that time ONLY “personalized handguns” will be allowed to be sold in the state of New Jersey. The timing of the filing of the suit came a day after Ernst Mauch who is the head of Armatrix had an op-ed in the Washington Post about “smart guns”.  While it could just be a coincidence, that is highly unlikely.

Comment- Rob- The legal tactic is called sue and settle.  A politician finds a special interest group to sue the state, and then the state offers no defense.  The presiding judge dictates the terms of the settlement.

Comment- What problem is the smart gun supposed to solve?
Comment- Why are LEOs exempt from the smart gun law?

Rachel – The CalGuns Foundation and Cal-FFL have filed suit against CA AG Kamala Harris in Sacramento Superior Court. Harris has recently issued a new interpretation of a long standing law in California which would limit those who have a FFL and a Cal DOJ Certificate of Eligibility to one handgun per month. This impacts those who have the Curios & Relics FFLs and a DOJ certificate. Harris is saying the exemption in the law to the 1 handgun in 30 limit is only for C&R handguns and not more modern handguns. Attorney Bradley Benbrook says this blocks individuals from exercising rights granted to them by the Legislature. The case is called Doe v. Harris.

Comment- What is the problem with Attorneys General adopting their own interpretation of standing law?

Paul- Rob had a rant about smart activism versus simply grabbing public attention.  Now the chain of Chipotle restaurants has asked citizens not to carry on their property.  The Denver-based company has traditionally complied with local laws regarding open and concealed firearms.  Guys, I’d ask you to carry concealed or carry smart.

Other businesses took a different approach.  “Dunkin’ Donuts and Baskin-Robbins restaurants are owned and operated by individual franchisees who are required to follow all federal, state and local laws with regard to firearms,” said a Dunkin’ Brands spokeswoman.

Rich Jeffers, director of communications at Darden Restaurants, the parent company of Olive Garden, Red Lobster and LongHorn Steakhouse said “Our approach has always been that we abide by all local and state laws.”

McDonald’s spokeswoman Lisa McComb said: “For franchisee-owned restaurants, operational decisions regarding open carry weapon laws are made by the independent franchisee.”

Comment – Shannon Watts and her minions are trolling the Internet looking for pictures of open carry in Texas. It doesn’t matter if it hasn’t been done in a year, she’ll try to make an issue of it. She posted year-old pictures of OC at a Smashburger even though they had to stop allowing open carry last year.

Rachel- Here in Texas, several open carry groups have made a joint statement calling their members to be responsible and wise as they exercise their right to open carry firearms. I applaud them for this self-regulation. Their new policies are designed to keep their stated mission in focus, and include instructions to notify law enforcement, use slings, leave a business quietly without a problem when asked to, and, when carrying inside a business, try to keep to local small businesses that are 2A friendly. While the Huffington Post reported this as “backing down” by the open carry groups, I see it as moving forward. Regulating themselves responsibly is a wise, strategic move as they present a positive image of gun ownership and bearing of arms to the American public.

John- The Pit Authentic Barbecue restaurant in Durham, North Carolina was the site of an armed robbery last Sunday night. Three masked men with pistols entered the back door, assaulted a couple of employees, and got away. NC Gun Blog points out, “The robbers had all the power. No one could resist them. Why? Because the owner of The Pit Authentic Barbecue has banned guns in his restaurant.”

Blogger Sean Sorrentino also states, “I am very glad that no one was seriously injured. But everyone involved needs to face one very important fact. They were not murdered only because the robbers did not decide to kill them.” It appears that the restaurant owner was making an intentional political statement with his gun-free zone. Last year, his restaurant hosted part of  Gabby Gifford’s anti-gun tour. Looks like the robbers made a statement of their own.

Jack in the Box fast food restaurants issued a similar no-guns policy for company owned stores, and three of their stores were robbed.

Comment- Are gun-free stores safe for anyone?

Stores have to properly post their no-guns policy in accordance with state regulations or the signs don’t have the force of law.

Rob-This is the season of primary elections.  That means we’re sure to be disappointed, but it also means we have to take joy in other’s successes.  In West Virginia, a 17 year old high school student ran against a sitting state delegate.  Sara Blair is graduating from high school later this month and will be in the general election in the fall after her electoral win.  Sara describe herself as a fiscal conservative who is pro gun rights, anti abortion and pro business. She is expected to win the election in the fall.

Comment- Why is it important to have young pro-gun politicians in office?

Paul-Voting along party lines, the Democrat controlled New Jersey legislature sent Governor Chris Christie a bill limiting firearms magazine capacity to 10 rounds or less.  There is neither a grandfather clause in the bill, nor is there a provision for reimbursements so citizens can make their firearms comply with New Jersey law.  The law isn’t clear if the magazine capacity is only determined by the standard ammunition used in the firearms, since 22 shorts can be loaded into a tubular magazine as well as 22 long rifle cartridges.  Of course, the restrictions to not apply to law enforcement officers.  Please write Governor Christie and ask him to veto the bill.

Comment- This is cultural cleansing of firearm owners from New Jersey.  The Democrats want firearm owners to leave the state.

Rob- Gun Quotes
“When the law disallows both the means and moral authority to defend one’s self and property, crime and violence fill the void between common sense and the hoped for utopia.”  – JD Filkins

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this advertisement Concealment Solutions and the interview with Frank Fiamingo of NJ2AS.

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- Don’t mess with Texas, and certainly don’t mess with 17 year old Samantha Mayhue’s who lives in Cypress, Texas near Houston.  There have been half a dozen car break ins this year on this otherwise quiet street.  That explains why there are dual electronic locks on the front door at Samantha’s home.  She still thinks someone would have to be crazy to try and break into her house where a Texas flag flies on the driveway.  She heard someone try her front door before the alarm sounded.  Samantha went straight for her father’s Glock and called the police.

“Everyone knows we have guns in here.  Daddy taught me right. I wasn’t afraid to do what I needed to do.  I was going to pull the trigger and aim for the chest and keep pulling it until the 17 rounds out of my dad’s Glock 19 was gone,” Mayhue said.  Luckily, the alarm scared the would-be intruder away.  Samantha Mayhue wants to be a tactical firearms instructor in a few years.

Comment- Does disarming a young lady make her safer or put her at risk from others?

John- Muncie [IN] police say a convicted bandit got more than he bargained for when he tried to hold up a south side liquor store late Friday. Authorities said Anthony J. Williams, 47, was shot in the pelvic region as he struggled with a female clerk over possession of a handgun. Williams entered the liquor store about 11:15 p.m., pretended to have a weapon and demanded cash from the female clerk. The clerk believed Williams was trying to grab a handgun that was behind the store’s counter. A struggle then ensued between the clerk and Williams, ending when the gun discharged, seriously wounding the would-be bandit, police said. Williams was transported to IU Health Ball Memorial Hospital. Police at first thought his wound was potentially life-threatening, but later reports that his condition is believed to have stabilized..

Comment- Rachel, this sounds like having a gun under the counter is as ill advised as purse carry.  Why not carry on body?

Rachel- Back in Houston Texas- A man was walking through an apartment complex late Wednesday night when he was approached by a man who demanded he surrender his wallet and cell phone.  The victim felt threatened enough to draw his concealed handgun and open fire on the suspect.  The suspect was hit twice, but still managed to run to a waiting getaway car. He was picked up by police at a nearby hospital.  The suspect was in surgery early Thursday morning.  Police don’t expect to file charges filed against the robbery victim.

Comment- Robberies, like other accidents, happen where we are, and we are often near home.

John- A Granville County, North Carolina homeowner is safe and unharmed after burglars tried to break into his home Tuesday morning. The same cannot be said for one of the burglars. 20 year old Rodney Hanks Junior broke into a home Tuesday morning with a gun and a knife.  The homeowner shot him.  His fellow burglars were seen leaving the scene and are still on the loose.

Sheriff Brendell Wilkins said they are not releasing the name of the homeowner for his safety. He went on to add regarding the homeowner, ““They were breaking into his house; you’ve got the right to defend yourself. The suspect had a gun and a knife.” That is a sheriff who gets it.

Paul- Don’t bring a crowbar to a gunfight.. at least in Fort Wayne, Indiana.  Nathan Simmerson and four other masked men broke into a home Tuesday night.  Simmerson went upstairs.. where he met the armed home owner.  Simmerson, armed with a crowbar, fled and locked himself in a bathroom.  One of the downstairs victims yelled for the homeowner to come down with his assault rifle.. and the four downstairs robbers fled.  Simmerson tried to run but was tackled by the residents and held for police.  Simmerson says he doesn’t know the names of his accomplices.  I noticed that the papers already had his picture on file.

Gary- Don’t bring a baseball bat to a gunfight either.  A Toledo, Ohio woman and her boyfriend were attacked by a man wielding a bat Monday afternoon.  The boyfriend was struck on his arm with the bat.  The woman has her concealed carry permit and drew her pistol from her purse as the attacker moved toward her.  She fired twice and the attacker ran.  The attacker drove to the University of Toledo Medical Center in a private vehicle seeking treatment for gunshot wounds to his legs.

Comment- How quickly could you react to an attack?

Paul- More from Struthers, Ohio this last Wednesday.  Two teens entered a Sami Quickstop convenience store just after midnight in this Youngstown suburb.  One of the teens raised a rifle and pointed it at the store clerk.  The criminal fired and missed.  The 20 year old store clerk with a CCW drew his own handgun, shot and hit the 17 year old gunman Ja’Braelyn Bunn.  Both teens ran from the store.  The teen gunman is in the hospital while his accomplice is in juvenile detention.  Both face charges for armed robbery.

Comments- What would you do if you were in the store?

John- We have more, and it’s not from Houston, Detroit or Ohio.  I hope you’ve heard about the 300 young Christian girls taken as slave by the Islamist group Boko Haram in Nigeria.  Note that civilian ownership of firearms is forbidden in Nigeria.  Thank god some villages break the law.  Several villages armed themselves and counter attacked against Boko Haram.  They claim to have seized 90 motorcycles, several heavy trucks, and to have killed approximately 250 of the terrorists.  One villager was quoted as saying that they would kill the terrorists themselves since the army wasn’t doing its job.  Note that defenders typically have a three-to-one advantage over attackers.

Comment- Is this any different than the problem faced by citizens of New York or Chicago of a few years ago?

Gary- 24 year old Victor Navarro walked into the HealthMart Pharmacy in Hialeah, Florida, a suburb of Miami, just after noon.  The 24 year old demanded Xanax and was turned away by the pharmacist.  Victor Navarro came back to the pharmacy and pulled up his shirt showing a handgun, and again demanded drugs.  This time the pharmacy manager, 70 year old Angel Navarro Betancourt, no relation to the victim, shot and killed Victor Navaro.  The young man was said to have a severe drug addiction.. and the gun in his waistband was a BB gun.

Comment- Threatening people will get you killed.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles on our website at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

After this advertisement from NJ2AS, we have a tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson.
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Paul- Here is our listener e-mail segment.  This one is from listener Rob

-Hi guys,
I hope I can help end the spitting match over Facebook likes with the Polite Society. I’m a big fan of both polite society & slam fire radio podcasts. As a U.S. citizen I’m partial to my American podcasts. Buuuuuuuut, my wife of 10 years is a Canadian citizen. I obviously like Canadians too.  I listen to both Trevor’s podcasts for the content, hosts and because I enjoy the accent. You know what I’m talking aboat, eh?

So let’s get down to reality and accuracy with the Facebook likes. I really enjoy Paul, Rob & Rachel but Slam Fire Radio is ahead by a long shot.
The math is very simple. Polite Society has more Facebook likes but when you factor in 236 vs 57 episodes and a population approximately 300 million vs 30 million. Slam Fire is kicking some serious Facebook ass.
I’m just say’n
Rob
Hudson Valley, NY
Ps. One good thing about Canadian gun laws is, it makes my New York State gun laws look pretty awesome.

Rachel-Here is another e-mail from listener Rick.

-Hey, guys
When Paul returns you will have to give him time to recover from Mag40.  He will be mentally drained, physically exhausted and amazed at all the new like-minded friends he made.
Oh, and he’ll be saying “I digress” a lot.
Still listening.
Rick

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Paul- We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.   Email Onair@politicsandguns.com to hear your email read on the air. If you would like to email any of the hosts directly just email their first name and then add at politics and guns dot com..  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rachel- That’s 605- 215- 1438

Rachel- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

John- Rob(?) do you have an article you want to talk about?

Rob- I have an article on Clash Daily and Ammoland.  It is called Criminals Commit Suicide by Citizen and it came from the news stories we read on this podcast.  

Rachel- John, do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John- One hiker is dead and one in critical condition after being robbed and shot while hiking in Tehama County, California. Neither were armed. The robber asked for their property and then killed Pat Gregory, 69, of West Tisbury, MA. His 76 year old companion was left for dead on the trail and is in the hospital. People ask why you should carry while out hiking and communing with nature. This is why you carry!

Comment-  What is the moral of this story?  You can’t guarantee your safety by complying with criminals.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. We are also pleased to announce that we are members of the Gun Rights Network.

John: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Iowas Firearm Coalition, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Rachel: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Gary: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.

Episode 222 – Shooter Ready Radio, George Hill and Ken Kowalski

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, March 22nd, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have shooter ready radio as guests.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
George: I’m George Hill, author of Uprising USA
Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop, the one who REALLY runs the show here. So climb aboard!
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 222 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant
Rob: I donated to James Kaleda. Have you? I also mailed in my NRA ballot. I voted for Collandro and Hill.

John: I’m sorry I couldn’t make it on Wednesday. I had an out of town business meeting that wasn’t optional. Like Rob, I mailed in my NRA ballot which included Anthony Colandro who was on the show Wednesday.

I’d like to ask our listeners to remember Bob Mayne of the Handgun World Podcast and David Codrea, the National Gun Rights Examiner, in their thoughts and prayers. Bob is battling a serious illness ( do we want to say cancer?) and David is in the hospital recovering from two broken ribs plus pneumonia.

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Rob’s rant- Please take this to heart. This is from my friend Jay Wells. Last week her friend got tangled up with New York City. You know something is wrong when you hear the words, “I spent the weekend in jail.” This guy was visiting family in New York when the good Samaritan called 911 while he was driving because his passenger became sick and needed immediate aid. The passenger got medical attention, but the police arrived as well. Then, the law searched my friend’s vehicle. No one was inhospitable or uncooperative nor aggressive. The polite policeman in charge calmly explained about how there were times to ignore minor offenses, but they could not overlook the tool laying all by its lonesome on the console. The man spent the weekend of March 15th in jail for a pocket knife. I am surprised no one goes to jail for possession of a butter knife.

This is like a speeding ticket. The city is simply raising money by picking on travelers. Pay the fine or pay the consequence. For most of us it’s like stepping into a whole other world, a different dimension that transports you back to small town southern sheriffs who fine you “because you not from around here, are ya” I expect this from corrupt third world police, but not from New York City cops who arrive with emergency medical personnel.

Believe it. It will happen to you, and it is a felony. You will pay thousands of dollars to your New York City lawyer and more in fines to get the charges pled down to a misdemeanor.

I know something else. I know why you don’t believe this story. You don’t want to face the injustice in our own backyard. I don’t visit New York. Not even the airports. Nada.
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http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th and it is sponsored by Connecticut Citizens Defense League.  Connecticut deserves our support.

1) -In a decision released Thursday by the U.S. 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, in the case of Baker v. Kealoha, the court followed the lead of the recent Peruta case to declare Hawaii’s restrictions on firearms carry unconstitutional under the Second Amendment.

The case was heard by the same trio of judges who sat on the earlier Peruta and Richards cases in California, which challenged the state’s restrictive ‘may issue’ policies that required concealed carry permit applicants to show “good cause” to warrant a permit. The judges, O’Scannlain,  Thomas and  Callahan, heard Baker in December 2013 and issued their findings Thursday.

Next Wednesday is the last day to file an appeal for a review by the entire court.  There is no timeline for the court to accept the case. (Rob has coments)

2) -There are also California counties who won’t wait for the judges to rule. Yvonne Freeman is 66 years old and has lived in California more than 30 years. She says the darn notice she got from the Orange County Sheriff’s Department about her concealed weapon permit application is unreasonable.  Her interview appointment was July 26 which seems more than three months away.. at first.   Then Yvonne looked closer.  “It was July 26, 2016.  I might be dead by 2016, she said.  By law, the application process can only take 90 days, which is why the sheriff’s department delays the “initial interview”.

3)- The school curriculum expanded unexpectedly at the Riverside campus of Austin Community College.  There were two separate incidents of carjacking next to the school.  That makes sense for a criminal, because while it could be a zone of overlapping law enforcement from both Austin and the college, in this case both departments were caught unaware.  The victims said two men brandishing a handgun tapped on the window and told the student to get out of the car.  Remember that campus carry is outlawed in Texas, so students are disarmed both on campus, and as they travel to school.  Those gun free school zones leave students at greater risk.  The Austin police issued an “alert” to students telling them they are likely victims.

4)- Here is a different lesson from school. Pueblo county, Colorado students went to a shooting range after studying Revolutionary War history. Well done, Craver middle school and Project Appleseed. The appleseed program has a history segment for the classroom called Libertyseeds.  These teachers took advantage of it.  They brought history alive and made sure the students learned gun safety.  Pueblo, Colorado is a long way from Boulder.

Rob’s comment- We were talking about school education on the Polite Society staff page only the other day. Dreams do come true.

5)-A local gun range is stepping up to host a crime prevention workshop. A few days ago we commented on Jitterz Java, a coffee shop that had been robbed three times in the last month, and now the baristas are armed.  Jitterz is in a neighborhood that has suffered a crime wave.  There have been eight Spokane business robberies in the last month.  Sharp Shooting gun range, as well as the Spokane County Sheriff’s Department, want people to know how to safely use their weapons. Even more importantly, they want them to know the law!  That is why Sharp Shooting wants to educate business owners about safe business practices whether they carry a firearm or not.

6)-The crazy senator from California is at it again.  Democrat Senator Dianne Feinstein circulated a letter on Capitol Hill calling for a ban on importing semi-automatic rifles.  The ban reinterprets the 1968 gun control act and would target attributes like “thumbhole stocks” and “semi-automatic rifles with fixed or detachable magazines with a capacity of more than 10 rounds”.  This would prohibit import of tube-fed .22 rimfire rifles.  Crazy Dianne said “Prohibit the importation of assault pistols, in addition to assault rifles.”  Dianne took her language right from the Brady Campaign by calling common handguns “assault pistols”.  The letter does not appear on her Senate.gov webpage where the people of california can read it.  We have a link to the entire letter in our show notes.

Rob has comments.  I’m sorry the fruits and nuts of California elected Feinstein.Will President Barack Obama use his phone and his pen to circumvent the legislature?

John: In other news from the US Senate, Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY) is pushing a bill called the Media Shield Law. As part of the bill, it would define who is and isn’t a journalist and thus protected by the First Amendment’s guarantee of a free press. This bill would protect what David Codrea has long called “authorized journalists” but would not protect us here at the Polite Society Podcast nor Rob or myself as bloggers. Given that Operation Fast and Furious – the ATF’s gun walking effort – was discovered through the efforts of bloggers – or, more appropriately,  citizen journalists -, this bill is a travesty. If we had a press that was something more than an adjunct to the White House Office of Communications or Democratic National Committee, it might not be so critical. However, we don’t and it is critical that this bill be stopped. Unfortunately, it looks likes at least five Senate Republicans have bought into this nonsense. It is time to call your Senator on this one and say no.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

Gun Quotes
Our Founding Fathers were proud that Americans were trusted with arms because they knew that only when people are armed could they truly be thought of as free citizens. And that’s where the circle closes. Those who want to deprive you of your right to keep and bear arms are intending to deprive you of your freedom, period. Like the criminals their policies encourage, these elitists know that it is always best to disarm victims before you enslave them. — Charley Reese

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-Early this past Monday morning in Charlotte, NC , Issac Ray Carelock thought it would be a smart thing to do to try and force his way into his ex-girlfriend’s house by kicking in the door. Unfortunately for him, she was armed. When he pointed his firearm at her, she fired four times. Police found him dead on the porch when they arrived. The Mecklenburg County DA is examining the case to see whether any charges will be brought.

(Paul’s comment – Flowers and chocolates always work better than kicking in a door.)

-Neighbors noticed a burglary in progress and called police to a locked and unoccupied home in Red Bluff, California.  They saw a man pushing a riding lawn mower from the back yard to the road in front of the house along with a full golf club caddie and tools.  An armed neighbor intervened and safely held Camron Michael Crismon at gun point for the short time until deputies arrived.  Deputies found that Crismon, age 39, had caused damage to the residence and surrounding gates and had spray painted graffiti on the residence.  Crismon was booked at Tehama County Jail for felony burglary, possession of stolen property and vandalism.  His bail was set at $80,000.

(Paul has a comment on this one too)

-An attempted robbery in Memphis, Tennessee early Tuesday left the attacker dead.  A man and a women in their 20s were the intended victims.  They were inside an apartment complex in the Whitehaven neighborhood when a man approached with a gun and demanded their valuables.  The couple fought back instead.  The female victim grabbed the suspect’s gun during the struggle and fired several shots, striking both the suspect and her male companion.  The suspect was pronounced dead when police arrived. The male victim was taken to a local hospital where he is expected to recover.  The news reports include comments from the neighbors who have little sympathy for the dead assailant.

Rob’s comments-  Wouldn’t it be better to bring your own gun rather than have to borrow the criminal’s gun?  Also, I can hear the liberal city councilwoman from Memphis saying they need more gun control and we’d save lives by stopping these illegal gun transfers.. when a victim disarms a criminal.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
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Listener e-mail discussion

Paul – From Logan on our Facebook site:

In response to Paul’s rant about the Sheep, Wolf, Sheep dog analogy. This is my take on it.

Sheep = people in condition white, “Someone will always be there to keep me safe and take care of me.”

Wolf = The bad guy, armed and dangerous with little to no moral compass.

Sheep Dog = Anyone who has taken their safety and their family’s safety as their responsibility and are alert for dangers. Not necessarily the good guy arresting the bad guys, or the good guy who “saves the helpless sheep”. While there are situations where that would be the case (Aurora, Colorado) in most situations you’re right, it could do more harm than good if you don’t know what’s really going on. And like you said, the sheep dog takes directions from the Shepherd.

Shepherd = God (or your source of guidance for your moral compass pointing to good)

Love the show, I’ve been a listener for about a year and look forward to having a chance to listen every week. Thanks for all you guys and gal do.

Rob – Jeremy from Email:

Just listening to the latest podcast (not done with it yet) I had to write about the sheep and sheepdog thing.  Wolves are not evil or bad, they do what they do to survive.  That is different than criminals that go out looking for trouble because they won’t get regular work.  That is why I have never liked that analogy.
I do agree it is an easy concept for people to understand, but has always been flawed.  That is in contrast to your wonderful show.  Keep it up!

John – Rick in Wyoming also sent an Email

How about adding my state’s freedom group to your list?  WyGO (Wyoming Gun Owners Ass.)  I listen to every show while driving, and sometimes WATCH from truck stops all over the west.  Too cool.

Rob & Rachel: I know Paul can be a rough boss, but hang in there.  The mix of personalities is great.

Keep it up, guys.

Rick in Wyoming.  (Well, sometimes I’m in Wyoming.   I’m a truck driver.)

Paul – James emailed this in:

I thought y’all might be interested to know what is going on in the Arizona Legislature this year. Here is the latest update from AZCDL:

All AzCDL-requested bills passed out of their originating chamber (House or Senate) last week and were heard in committee this week before the March 21 deadline.  With the state budget being negotiated as this is written, the session could come to an end within weeks, and so all bills must effectively be immediately ready to send to the Governor.  We will need your assistance in contacting your Legislators as bills approach Committee of the Whole (COW) and floor votes.

The following firearms bills have crossed chambers, passed out of committee and are still viable.  The status of all the bills that AzCDL is watching this session can be found on our Bill Tracking page.

HB 2103, the AzCDL-requested bill lowering the age limit for CCW permit eligibility to 19 for those with military service, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2322, which was amended in the House so that it would only provide data on mental health adjudications to the FBI’s National Instant Criminal Background System (NICS) system, as required by federal law, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee hearing on March 19.  As long as no further amendments are added to the current language of this bill, our position will remain neutral.

HB 2336, which clarifies that law enforcement officers cannot carry a firearm and consume alcohol at licensed liquor establishments unless in the performance of their duties, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2338, the AzCDL-requested bill that adds to the definition of Aggravated Assault the illegal taking, or attempted taking, of a legally possessed (i.e., your) firearm, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2339, the AzCDL-requested bill that would allow CCW permit holders to carry in public buildings unless everyone entering is screened for weapons, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2443, which would allow active duty military personnel stationed in Arizona to obtain hunting permits, passed out of the Senate Natural Resources and Rural Affairs (NRRA) committee hearing on March 19.

HB 2483, which would strengthen the protection of the lawful use of firearms, air guns and archery equipment on private property, passed out of the Senate Public Safety Committee on March 19.

HB 2517, which would add penalties for cities and counties violating state firearms preemption law, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

HB 2535 (amended), which would require local law enforcement to sign required NFA transfers within 60 days after receiving a request for certification, passed out of the Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on March 17.

SB 1063, the AzCDL-requested bill that would make “no firearms” signs on public buildings unenforceable unless the statutory weapons storage requirements are followed, passed out the House Judiciary Committee on March 20.

SB 1118, dealing with criminal trespass by hunters, passed out of the House Public Safety, Military and Regulatory Affairs (PSMRA) Committee on March 12 and House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1266 (amended), which would allow judicial officials to carry non-prohibited weapons in their workplace, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13 and the House Rules Committee on March 18.

SB 1366 (replaced SB 1064), which clarifies that a firearm, by definition, uses a burning propellant, passed out of the House Judiciary Committee on March 13.

The following bills did not survive the March 21 deadline.

HB 2412, which would allow designated individuals meeting certain training requirements to carry firearms on K-12 school grounds, was never scheduled for a House Committee of the Whole (COW) debate or Third Read vote.

SB 1294, which would void (in Arizona) any federal law that violates the Second Amendment, was never scheduled for a Senate COW debate or Third Read vote.

As bills progress we will keep you informed via these alerts.  Watch for our Action Alerts on bills needing your help using our Legislative Action Center.

Don’t forget!  Every AzCDL member who sends the emails we generate from our Legislative Action Center will be entered into our raffles for Brownells gift certificates.

These alerts are a project of the Arizona Citizens Defense League (AzCDL), an all-volunteer, non-profit, non-partisan grassroots organization.

AzCDL – Protecting Your Freedom .

James

John – Finally we got an email from a Listener who wishes to remain nameless

http://m.wmctv.com/#!/newsDetail/25018724
Paul
This is a link to a local story. This , to me , is a perfect argument for not restricting magazine capacity. Ten shots fired and no one hit. As you often say, a little inside baseball. Since we are a relatively small suburb of Memphis, and I have family that works for the police dept. , I have had the opportunity to train with some of these guys and in my eyes, they are good. I talked to one of the guys on the swat team and asked him how this happens. His only response was that you have no way to train for the amount of stress that this puts on a person, even those with high levels of training. I don’t know if you would use
this on a show, but if you feel it is airworthy, then by all means use it. I only ask that you not use my name because I don’t know if anyone of my contacts in the pd listen, and I would not want to compromise any of my friends and family. One question about the podcast, what is going on with the timer ?
Recently, I have noticed the stated time for the show is actually shorter than the actual show. If the show says it is say 1 hour long, my timer will run to 0:00 and the show is still going strong.  Not that this is a big deal, just wondering what was up. I love the show and I love the cohorts past and present.

Keep up the good work and if you ever travel I-40 through the Memphis area I would like to meet with up and maybe buy you lunch or a cold beverage , or maybe hit the range, since there is a nice indoor range just a couple of miles off 40 with a nice big parking lot.
This email is beginning to drag, and I really need to get back to work. Thanks again for all you are doing.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John : We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association Wyoming Gun Owners Association, and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.
Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 214 – Jim Irvine

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Intro- Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society. This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, the 22nd of February, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talked with Jim Irvine of Buckeye Firearms about training teachers for self-defense
Rob: I’m Rob and my sheriff is in the news, so we’ll talk about NEWS and DGUS
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob:strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 214 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1 Personal news from each participant
Rachel: I’m in Oklahoma. Couldn’t find spices at Walmart, but can open carry down the street and go shopping.  I put on some training classes for the Texas party conventions. Texas has conventions at the local, district and state level. Not much sleep.
Rob: I introduced a friend of the family to firearms. We did a touch and ask session yesterday, and we took her to the range today. I was looking to rent a carry gun at the range, but the range selection was lame.
Paul: I’ve been sick. Tomorrow I get to watch the Datona 500. I’m a big motor racing fan.  Trying to get well.  Carrying now.

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Paul-A Republican proposal to repeal an antiquated law on out-of-state rifle and shotgun purchases has been approved unanimously by the Colorado Senate. The bill would undo a 1969 law that says Coloradans may purchase, but not take possession of, a shotgun or rifle unless they buy it in Colorado or a contiguous state.  Welcome, Colorado, to the 1990s and the age of the internet.

Rachel-Connecticut State law enforcement officials are now in the difficult position of dealing with one of the most widely ignored and despised laws since Prohibition.  By law, Connecticut will have to find space to imprison 300,000 residents for the next five years for disobeying a law that will not reduce crime.  Connecticut’s 15 prisons currently hold 16,839 behind bars at an annual cost of $620 million. Full compliance with Connecticut’s new gun laws means their prison costs would exceed the entire state budget.  It is hard to respect the law when the legislature disrespects the citizens.

Rob-We covered this self-defense case in our last episode, but Detroit Police Chief James Craig commented on the way a Detroit mother protected herself from three intruders who kicked in her back door.  The Chief acknowledging the mother gave a verbal warning prior to firing the weapon. Quote, “She protected herself and her young children. The victim did nothing at all wrong.  Even after the victim advises the suspects that she was armed, they continued an aggressive attempt to enter her home.”

Thank you, Chief Craig.

Paul- We reported earlier that Minnesota police challenged the NFL’s ban on firearms in their stadiums, their offices and their training areas.  Texas is going a step further and saying that the NFL’s regulations don’t apply in Texas.  Texas state law states that so long as off-duty law enforcement officers check in at specific gates and let stadium employees know where they’ll be sitting, they are allowed to carry a firearm.  Mac Tristan, president of the Texas Police Association, said the rules requiring off-duty police officers to inform stadium employees as to their whereabouts makes sense.

Rachel-County commissioners in Clark County, Washington requested a new policy allowing county employees to carry concealed weapons. The county’s current policy prohibits employees from bringing concealed firearms to work, even if they have a permit to carry in public. Other people, including elected officials and the public, are exempt from the policy and may bring weapons into some county buildings. Commissioners said loosening the county’s prohibition on employees carrying concealed guns would deter acts of workplace violence and ensure equal rights.
http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2022961874_clarkcountygunsxml.html?syndication=rss

Rob-In the “this is starting to get old” file, Guns Save Life tells us that a Chicago area school suspended an 11 year old boy after he voluntarily turned in his non-functioning toy gun to school officials. The toy was forgotten in his jacket pocket and he was subjected to intense questioning by school security and threats while his mother was not present.

Paul- Some school officials ASK children to turn in toy guns at schools. Which is it? Do children comply with the rules.. or is the toy gun merely a pretext to criticize a young child?

Paul: Gun Quotes
If you can’t trust citizens with freedom, then you sure can’t trust the government with power.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Seg 3 Interview with Jim Irvine, Chairman of Buckeye Firearms Association where we discuss training teachers for armed defense.

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I learned a lot from Jim. As he said, this is not about guns. This is about saving children’s lives.No one cares how safe the school is, even if it is safe compared to other locations. The number one cause of injury in our schools is violence, not accidents. If the number one cause of injury and death was drowning then there is no question we would teach swimming and have life guards.

Rachel: DGU- A burglar remains in critical condition after he was shot by a business owner after breaking into an automotive repair shop in Beltsville, Maryland. Deryck Nedd forced his way into the shop around 11:20 p.m. He was confronted by the owner and shot during a confrontation inside the repair shop office. The burglar fled and crashed his car a short distance away. He is expected to survive. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/02/19/man-shot-breaking-into-business-in-beltsville/

Rob: DGU- A Jennings County, Indiana Grandmother shot a 28 year old man in the leg Saturday after she found him in her 16-year-old granddaughter’s bedroom.  Daniel Sidwell was taken to St. Vincent Hospital in Indianapolis for treatment of a gunshot wound to his right ankle after the incident.  The Grandmother was not charged, thought the case is not closed.

The guy is alive, so I think Grandma showed considerable restraint. http://www.therepublic.com/view/local_story/Woman-shoots-man-in-Jennings-C_1392777892

Paul: DGU- An un-named suspect tried to break into an East San Jose, California home and fired shots at the homeowner.  That is when the homeowner armed himself and returned fire.  Two people were seen getting into a vehicle and driving away.  A short time later a man was dropped off at an area hospital with at least one gunshot wound and declared dead. http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_25197380/san-jose-shooting-leaves-one-dead-police-say

Rachel: TAMPA — Ivette Ros is a the 37-year-old Tampa resident, a single mother of three children, and a bank manager.  At least she was.  Wells Fargo fired her for carrying her firearm to work.  Ros has filed a lawsuit in circuit court against Wells Fargo Bank, which she said fired her last year from her job as manager at the bank’s Oldsmar branch. Her lawsuit says the firing violated her constitutional right to carry arms and asks for monetary damages and attorney fees. http://tbo.com/news/crime/bank-manager-fired-after-carrying-gun-into-work-files-suit-20140221/

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Tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson

Rachel:  We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

paul: Listener e-mail discussion

Greg From Bremmerton sent in a story tells the story of a Texas voter who was turned away from early voting polls because he was wearing a pro-2nd Amendment t-shirt. The t-shirt, which had the slogan “The 2nd Amendment – America’s original Homeland Security was deemed to be electioneering. Electioneering is promoting a particular candidate or issue within a specified distance of a polling place.

Rob: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in Centerton Arkansas in early March.

Rachel:, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: I do.  The San Diego Union Tribune reports that San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore told his Board of Supervisors he will not appeal the recent ninth circuit court ruling.  The court  ruling established self-defense as sufficient cause to issue a concealed carry permit.  Sheriff Gore’s decision does not mean the case will not be appealed.  It means that San Diego won’t do so.  A judge on the circuit court could do so, but that is unlikely.

District of the Ninth Circuit Court

The ninth circuit district covers the western US and Hawaii and Alaska.  Anti-gun legislators outside the ninth circuit district don’t want the Peruta v. Gore case to rise to the Supreme Court.  This is because of the prejudicial nature of the Sheriff’s prior decisions and because of the thorough analysis by the three judge panel of the ninth circuit court.

This is good news for the residents of California, Hawaii and Guam.  Some California counties like Orange County have already changed their carry license policy.  San Diego will wait until the court ruling is finalized.   Because the decision was not appealed to the Supreme Court, it offers cold comfort to gun owners in New Jersey and Maryland.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening CSA and NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 210 – Bob Owens and Anthony Colandro

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Catch up with each participant
Paul: We’re joined by Rachel Malone.
Rachel: Getting ready for 2A lobbying at the Texas State political conventions. Help set the tone at the primary rather than the general.
Rob: I remembered where I keep my guns, and put them on so I’d remember what it feels like. That is dry practice. Sort of.
Paul: Doing the firearms twostep as I drive from state to state. Leaving Illinois and heading to Georgia.
Tom: Bought a Ruger Mk I but have not shot it yet. I’m going to leave the show. I’ll tell you when I announce my new projects. I’m excited about the Polite Society meeting in two weeks. I’ll shoot either my Springfield XD or Baby Eagle. Both are 40 cal.
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Tom: This article on police no-knock raids is from the Washington Post which included videos of a raid that took place in Des Moines, Iowa.  The homeowner was accused of credit card fraud.  He was sitting in the bathroom when his door was broken in.  He drew his firearm, heard the police announce themselves, re-holstered his weapon and sat back down to wait for the police.
The homeowner says he didn’t hear the police announcement until after one officer had already tried to kick in the door. Had that officer been successful in entering the first time, there’s a good chance that the homeowner, the police officer, or both would be dead. The police department would then have argued that the homeowner should have known that the people crashing into his home were law enforcement. Excuse me?!

The police can not simultaneously argue that these violent entries are necessary to take suspects by surprise and also claim the surprised suspects should not react violently because they already know they are being raided police rather than criminals. That line of pure propaganda is exactly what the police are selling. When citizens are injured, that is the propaganda that most prosecutors and judges are buying.

Des Moines police said they “do not have a written policy governing how search warrants are executed.” The Washington Post said that’s inexcusable.

Rachel -One Texas grand jury isn’t buying the no-knock excuses any more.  The grand jury in Burleson County refused to issue an indictment for murder after a drug dealer shot and killed a deputy during a no-knock raid.  The defendant, Henry Goedrich Magee was indicted on drug charges.  Magee said he thought the deputy was burglarizing their home and that Magee and his pregnant girlfriend were being robbed.

As a purely practical matter, it appears that Magee was growing several marijuana plants in his backyard.  That evidence wasn’t going to fit down the toilet while the police are knocking on the front door and presenting a warrant.

Rob – I guess I could mail in this news article.  The US senate took a baby step towards freedom when they required the US post office to allow firearms in their parking lots.  There has never been a federal law preventing guns in post offices, but the US post office has established its own regulations denying you arms.. and they have more lawyers than we do.

Paul:  But not more lawyers than the US senate.

Paul: -This is a case of putting your hands and feet where your heart guides you. Guns for Everyone was founded in 2010 as a joke.. until lawmakers in the Colorado legislature decided to write so many anti-gun laws.  Then, Guns for Everyone started offering free firearms training.  Their free training includes free kids handgun safety classes, and some of the classes are taught BY youngsters.  “What better way for kids to learn than with the help of other kids. These classes are also supervised by an NRA Certified Instructor.”  The class outline is pretty serious.

  • Handgun Rules and Etiquette
  • Handgun Safety
  • Fundamentals of Shooting
  • The kids get to shoot simulated guns

Their website is Concealed Carry for Free.com

Rachel: – Another piece of good news from Colorado, a bill received bi-partisan approval for CCW permit renewals in the county where you live.  Before it was the county where the permit was issued, so licensees could have quite a drive if they moved across the state.

Tom: -Two good Samaritans in Florida were trying to do a kid a favor by offering him a ride.  They quickly found themselves the victims of an attempted armed robbery or carjacking.

From the back seat of the car, Adrian Mangual-Ayala put a gun to their heads and threatened to kill the driver and passenger if they didn’t give him money.  The driver stopped the car and gave Ayala his money.  That is when the passenger jumped in the backseat and disarmed Manguel-Ayala, beating him so badly that his eye swelled shut.  The two good samaritans then held the gunman until the police arrived.  Authorities arrested 16 year old Mangual-Ayala on two counts of robbery with a firearm, unlawful possession of a firearm as well as violation of probation.

It isn’t a DGU, but I wanted to share a story with a happy ending.  Next time, carry concealed.

Rob: – Here is another Florida story with a happy ending, and it IS gun related.  Less than a week after Florida Carry filed its lawsuit, Eastern Florida State College revised its regulations to allow firearms in private vehicles on campus.  Florida Carry won a similar suit last December against the University of North Florida.  The reason these schools settled so fast is that Florida state law grants financial penalties against public entities and individuals who violate the rights of gun and defensive weapon owners.  Thank you, Florida Legislature and keep it up Florida Carry.

Paul: – Dennis Baxley is a Republican state representative in Florida.  He introduced a bill to protect children from being expelled due to educators “zero tolerance” of anything shaped like a gun in schools.  The representative calls it the “Pop-Tart Bill” after students were suspended for eating a corner of a poptart.

The bill would prohibit schools from taking disciplinary action for a range of possible infringements including vocalizing gun sounds, using hands to simulate a weapon, possessing a toy firearm made of legos, possessing a toy firearm that is smaller than two inches in length, and possessing a food item that resembles a firearm in shape.  The bill has received the support of the Florida House education Subcommittee which includes several educators and at least one Democrat.

Rachel: -South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley said she is eager to sign a bill working its way through the legislature to allow licensed gun owners to carry in restaurants that serve alcohol, though they can not consume while carrying.  Restraunt owners have the right to prohibit firearms in their businesses, but Governor Haley said she’d allow guns in if she owned a bar.

I knew there was a reason I like South Carolina.  South Carolina listeners should make a few phone calls and get that bill on the Governor’s desk.

Tom: Darn it, now I have to choose between South Carolina and Florida.  Nicki Goser help get the laws changed in Tennessee.

Rob: Did you know that the records of Florida license holders are NOT open to the public?  Plus-one for Florida.

Rachel: What about Texas?

Jump to Break:

Tom: Then how about New Mexico where a State Senate panel rejected a bill restricting firearms in the New Mexico Capitol. The Rules Committee voted 4-2 Wednesday against a measure that would have banned firearms, except by law enforcement officers, in the Senate chambers, galleries and committee rooms.

Rob: – Things aren’t so rosy in California.  U.S. District Judge Kimberly J. Mueller, an Obama appointed judge, will review California’s microstamping law as early as next week.  The state law demands civilian firearms must leave a unique mark on each shell casing.  Manufacturers say they can’t guarantee the microstamping, but the California Department of Justice and Attorney General Kamala Harris say the solution is to prohibit sales of all non-complying guns.  They state claims they didn’t outlaw the guns, they simply made requirements so no guns can be sold in the state.

There is stupid, and then there is California Stupid.. and I live there.

Paul: -This politician is telling the truth.  John Tkazyik, the mayor of Poughkeepsie, N.Y., said he quit the group Mayors Against Illegal Guns after he realized its objective was outright confiscation of firearms from law-abiding citizens.  “Under the guise of helping mayors facing a crime and drug epidemic, MAIG intends to promote confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens,” Tkazyik wrote in a Wednesday column in the Poughkeepsie Journal.  Mayor Tkazyik is one of about 50 mayors who left Illegal Mayors Against Guns.

Rachel: -This came item came from listener David Cole.  It is hard enough to become a commercial pilot.  It is doubly difficult to earn the right to fly armed for the defense of the aircraft, passengers and crew.  The Armed Pilots Program is one of the most rigorous, stringent and exclusive programs to put firearms in the hands of civilians, but that is the model Joe Kalil selected when he wanted to bring armed self-defense to public and private schools.  The project is called P.O.S.T. for Protect Our Students and Teachers, and it is a layered defense against an active murderer on school grounds.    Experts on public violence have moved far beyond the model of huddle and pray, but some school administrators remain stuck in the past.  The basics of the POST program include; only accept volunteers from school staff, pass initial interviews, background checks, drug tests, a polygraph test, and applicants must possess a state license to carry concealed.  That is before the several day training course begins.

Here is the good part.  This a non-political grass roots program that says we should remove the school board members who want to leave our children defenseless.  The program is initially directed at Kentucky schools, but could grow across the country.  Interested listeners should check out postky.org

Rob: I spoke with Joe Kalil.  Liability is not really an issue.

Tom: Gun Quotes
“Though defensive violence will always be ‘a sad necessity’ in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men.” written 1700 years ago by the theologian Saint Augustine (Au-GUS-tin) of Hippo

Rob: We have two interviews coming up.  The first is Bob Owens talking about the terrible politicization of Connecticut gun laws.  The second is Anthony Colandro running for the NRA board of directors.

Paul: Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this.
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Segment 3  Interview with Bob Owens who writes at Bearing Arms.com
Interview with Anthony Colandro who owns Gun For Hire Range in Woodland Park, New Jersey  and is running for the NRA board of directors.

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob: DGU1- by an off duty officer.  Robert Lundy was at the wrong place at the wrong time.  He was at the local ford dealership in Taylor county Florida so his police car could be serviced.  A fifteen year employee of the dealership came in and started shooting people with a shotgun.  (Joe Biden, take note.)  Officer Lundy shot the madman within a minute and prevented a massacre.   Thank goodness there was a good man with a gun in the right place at the right time.

Rachel: DGU2- A DeKalb County, Georgia, woman came home early Tuesday and found two teenagers in her home.  Better late than never, she grabbed her gun.  One teen ran out the back door and the other tackled her to the ground. The woman fired several shots, but no one was injured.  , according to police. A neighbor’s security camera captured the teens, and the woman was able to lead police to the suspects.  DeKalb County police arrested a 16-year-old and a 17-year-old, whose names were not released.  “They were skipping school today,” Capt. Stephen Fore said.

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Segment 5 Show close
Tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson talking about cold weather carry.

Listener e-mail discussion
Paul: From Marc in Ohio
Guys,
I am a father of four girls with a baby on the way. I just listened to the Bold Departure Podcast episode with you guys as guests. Thank you guys for having a very frank discussion. Kids require parenting not legislation.
I’m going to expose my method of firearm instruction for my kids. My kids’ ages are 13, 11, 8 and 5. All of them shoot to some degree. The youngest doesn’t even aim but she enjoys some trigger time. They all shoot .22 pistols and rifles. My 13 year old started shooting the .40 caliber pistol last year. They all shoot the AR. I realize our vice president’s opinion of the AR is it’s difficult to shoot but my 5 year old does just fine. All my girls have their own safety glasses and hearing protection. None of them have ever been forced to shoot. When I announce I’m headed out to shoot Who ever speaks up gets to come. Sometimes all of them come sometimes only one will come. Occasionally they ask me to take them shooting.
Play guns have no rules at our house. They are toys and are used as such. Real guns have rules. My rule is the girls can handle any gun they want any time they want. The catch is mom or dad must make it safe first. Once in awhile one of the kids gets the itch to hold one of my EDC guns. They ask to hold it. I make it safe and hand it to them. I watch their muzzle discipline with amazement. They all understand the potential energy of firearms. They respect them and enjoy the shooting.
I was asked recently by my youngest to look at my Glock 22. I removed the mag and locked the slide back. I handed it to her. My 5 year old pointed the pistol at the ground, turned her body and raised the muzzle towards the field in back of the house. She makes some shooting noises. She will point the muzzle back at the floor and turn to hand it back to me. It’s amazing to see.
My kids see myself and their mother every day. There is no curiosity to be satisfied. They can touch any weapon they want any time it’s made safe. Just to make sure we don’t misjudge, all firearms are on our person or in the safe.

I have a great story to share. A police officer friend tells me about a ground hog in his back yard. He decided he needed to shoot this ground hog. He retrieved his service rifle from his cruiser. When he walked through his home carrying his M-16 his 10 year old daughter gasp in fear. She assumed terrible things were going to happen with daddy carrying that scary gun. In contrast, when I walk through my house carrying an AR I usually hear cheers and chants of, “Can I Come”. My kids know it’s time to go shooting!

Keep representing gun owners in a positive light.
Marc in Ohio.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politcs and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!

Tom: That’s 605- 215- 1438 and we sprinkled salt on it so the answering machine has more traction.

Tom: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in early March.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Rachel: Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and check out http://www.ahib.us/  That’s Almost Heaven Internet Broadcasting out of Bayard BAY-ARD, West Virginia.  They stream the Polite Society Podcast from 7 to 9 am weekdays!

Tom: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Colorado Second Amendment Association, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Paul, That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.
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