Episode 350 – Back From GRPC

 

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guests Tina Maldonado and Brittany Sutton

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

 

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to episode 350 of the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday October 11th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about the murders at Umpqua Community College .

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with

Tina Maldonado and Brittany Sutton about Texas students for concealed carry.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s  we talk about a Houston criminal that made a very poor choice in the victim selection process. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 350 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I carried at GRPC.  I had an additional adventure on the way home because I had a gun.  Here is a pro-tip for traveling with a gun.  Carrying a gun only adds a few minutes to your travel time at the airline counter, but it could add one problem.  You CAN NOT be late at the airport, not even by one minute, if you’re carrying a gun in your bag.  There are hard cut-off times for checking a bag before your flight.

 

You can’t dash to the gate and then check your bag as you walk down the boarding ramp.  We have to check our bags at the counter if we’re flying with a gun.    I missed my flights so I had to rent a car and drive the last hundred miles.

 

One of the highlights of the trip was to meet AWR Hawkins.  He has been writing a lot these days.  I also got to talk with Jim Irvine.  One of my disappointments was the people who did NOT go to GRPC.  Come on, guys.  Go to Tampa and stop making excuses.  Really, I lost respect for some people who didn’t go to the conference.

 

You know we have to shout out a thank you.  You know that, don’t you?  Guys?  Who do we owe a thank you?

 

I was on Mark Walter’s Armed American Radio and on Bill Frady’s Lock and Load Radio program a couple of times.  We have to tell them that we’ll hold a seat in the front row for them in Tampa.

 

I’ve also stopped carrying concealed in Louisiana.  I carried as a non-resident because I had nonresident reciprocity from my licenses in other states.  Those licenses are not valid for carry in Louisiana now that I’m a Louisiana resident.  I’m applying for my new permit and going unarmed.. unless I go to Texas, where I can carry again.  Don’t you all feel safer?!

 

I made room reservations for nra convention in May.

 

I have some training coming up.  I’ll be a line coach with Jeff and Robyn Street in Naples Florida on October 24th.  They are having a glock range day at the LouLand Gun Club.  The entry fee is $5, and they have loaner guns.  If you’re on the South West coast of Florida and are free on Saturday, October 24th, you should look into it.  Maybe you have a friend who talked about self-defense.  Look for glock range day at step by step gun training in Naples, Florida.

 

John – I spent yesterday morning at the local gun show working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth. We got a number of people to sign our petition saying no more gun control at the Federal level. It will be delivered to our US Senators and Congressmen. While at the show, I bought enough ammo that Hillary Clinton would say I need a license to purchase – if she had her way.

 

I have talked to a number of people about attending the next GRPC in Tampa including fellow GRNC volunteers. I think this past GRPC in Phoenix had to rank as one of the best. I talked to more activists than ever before from a number of states. I credit the podcast for this as I was more visible and people sought me out. The other thing I enjoyed about this GRPC is that I finally got to meet Gary and Rachel in person. It’s one thing meeting a person over the Internet, it is another to meet them in person.

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

We have a weekday evening ILFCCL class coming up October 19-22 it will be four evenings from 6-10pm.

I had to block a friend on Facebook for posting a name calling article to me. That really makes me sad, when someone reverts to name calling they are admitting they have lost the argument. Please try to avoid this in your conversations with the anti-gun crowd. This brings me to this post on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/CourageCampaign/photos/a.164423892567.119987.7364882567/10153300704932568/?type=3 This is a post about the concealed carry school ban in California. The horrible things people are saying to each other, from both sides of the argument, are despicable. Please remember we are a polite society. Aside from that, someone posted “…no armed bystander has ever stopped a mass shooting. Ever.” and it got 8 thumbs up. There were also several posts about how a concealed carriers will just start wild west shoot outs with the bad guys and cause more carnage and kill innocents. I just want to say with no animus and only love in my heart, if you believe this you are flat out wrong.

 

I and most concealed carriers take carrying a self defense tool as seriously as most people do driving a car or surgeons do when operating on people. If you think me being in your proximity while I am carrying a concealed firearm puts you in more danger again you are just wrong.

 

Oh, yah GRPC…the water slide was awesome. Seriously, amazing, got to meet so many positive minded gun rights people that it recharged my energy to do whatever I can in my own small way to support gun rights. Take your time and watch all of the video that we recorded at GRPC, I promise something from the speakers or one of our exclusive interviews will make you say to yourself, “Wow, that was interesting or I hadn’t thought of that.” The listeners have been so helpful in the past I’m reaching out to them again. I have a student that is interested in switching to a shoulder holster for the winter and since it’s been over 20 years since I did bodyguard work and wore a shoulder holster under a suit I’m sure things have changed, so if anybody out there is currently using a shoulder holster please share your experiences with us at OnAir@PoliticsandGuns.com Sig P938

 

Paul – WOW what a GRPC in Phoenix. Had a great time while we were down there and an amazing trip back. Highlight of my time down there had to be Dave Workman giving us a little grief and then jumping on the mic after finding out we were on the air and coming through like a trooper. Also getting Alan Gottlieb (my personal hero in the gun rights arena) on the air.

Highlight of the trip down was a tie between meeting Laura Carno for lunch and taking US 160 just east of Pagosa Springs Colorado. Really experienced truckers that spend a lot of time in the west or southwest will know the reference to Wolf Creek Pass, made famous in the C.W. McCall song. It is a BEAUTIFUL drive… in a car… I can only imagine what a pain in the butt it is in a truck.

The Trip back was highlighted by a stop for breakfast at the Shooters Grill in Rifle colorado. A few things about this stop, first there isn’t any truck parking close by. the nearest truck parking is about a mile and a half away at a rest area.  Secondly the food is REALLY good. I was expecting that they were getting business off of the gimmick of the staff open carrying, but I was pleasantly surprised!  Yes, our waiter was open carrying (he carried an XD) and was super attentive to us. Another surprise about Rifle is that of the 3 cafe’s that were on Main street 2 were open for breakfast and of the 3, two had pro gun signage up. Also there were 2 ummm marijuana dispensaries and both had very clear no guns allowed signs.

 

Was on the GunBlog Variety Cast this past  week, thanks to Sean for asking me to come on and doing a masterful job of editing my ramblings. We talked GRPC and why more people should be there.

 

Break

 

Seg 2- News

 

UCC shooting

The members of the Polite Society Podcast would like to extend our sincere condolences to the family, friends and community of the nine victims off the Umpqua Community College tragedy. Trapped by madness and religious hatred and bigotry, the students and staff of UCC paid a fierce price in what the school administration had declared as a gun-free zone. Not even the school’s single security guard was allowed a firearm to preserve the fantasy of an unarmed oasis.  

Obama didn’t wait for the bleeding to stop before he rushed before his cameras. In twelve minutes of rambling petulence, he expressed his frustrations with his six years of gun-control failures. Referring to himself 28 times, much more than twice a minute, he personalized the gun-control debate, holding it as a personal affront that his desires had not been granted. He trotted out the usual non-sensical “common sense” demands, backed by discredited studies, half-truths and outright lies. And he pledged to politicize the tragedy even further and push the usual gun banner’s dreams – NONE of which would have prevented the murders.

Obama targeted a unnamed, sinister, shadowy organization that was wholly responsible for frustrating his whims. His willing minions in the media were quick to take up the boogeyman fallacy. More than a few people who should have known better responded and demanded that the NRA be labeled as a terrorist organization. No mention was made of the millions of people that actually make up, support and guide the NRA.

 

It’s hard to believe this latest divisive distraction from his collapsing presidency will go anywhere legislatively. The Congress is in relatively friendly hands, even if Boehner and McConnell roll over once more for old times sake. The danger is in Obama’s lawless and unConstitutional executive actions.  The one phone and pen action that has been floated will do absolutely nothing to affect violent crime, other than possibly criminalizing some wives for selling their late husband’s firearm collection.

What the Obama tantrum did is identify his desired end state for the gun “problem.”  He favors the British and Australian models of gun control. Have no doubt those models mean draconian bans on nearly every firearm in private hands, door to door confiscation, mass destruction, and the centralization of all arms and power in the hands of the government. This, Mr President, we will resist.  

It’s going to be a long, difficult wait until the Twentieth of January, 2017.  

 

Comments:  Okay – I’m outta here. The Princess is back.  Thanks again

How’s the tone for the above rant?  OK, Dan.

 

-john – I want to point out the killer passed background checks.

 

Paul -There were widespread protests in Roseburg, Oregon when the president came to visit.  Roseburg is a deeply red working class town.  The president and the media were widely resented as using the town’s tragedy for their personal profit.

 

Rob- I want to talk about gun control.  Oregon has mandatory firearms registration.  The murderer registered his firearms.  Oregon has mandatory background checks.  The murderer passed those background checks.  The school campus is restricted as a gun free zone, and honest students were disarmed as the murderer went to a gun-free zone.  Oregon is a gun control paradise, and the state is ranked 18th out of 50 by the Brady campaign because of its strict gun control laws.  Obama had to speak out quickly.  Not because he has a solution, but because his policies failed so miserably and he needed to distract the public from noticing his failure.

 

As to the news media, they have been horribly corrupt in their coverage.  Here is a thought experiment for you. Do you think the media would be chanting for more “gun-free zones” if the murderers we’ve seen this last year were attacking newsrooms rather than schools? I think the newsies would start carrying at work.  The CNN studios in New York had armed guards the day after the Charlie Hebdo murders in France. and they do today as well.  They have armed security every day.. yet they say we should put our children in disarmed schools.. and blame the National Rifle Association even though the NRA has begged for armed school guards.

 

Open comment- If gun free zones are such a good idea, then start with the White House.

 

-John – I will say that some Republican presidential candidates responded appropriately. I want to mention Bobby Jindal and Ben Carson in particular. Jindal asked where the father was and Carson asked why more people didn’t fight back.

 

Rob- Did you hear where 22 people were stabbed when a 16-year-old boy went on a  rampage.  It happened in Pennsylvania.. in a gun-free school zone.

 

Hate to the NRA

Top strategists in the Democrat party have decided this is the year to attack gun owners.  We’ve heard several outbursts from politicians condemning honorable gun owners and the National Rifle Association after this last public murder.

  • Hillary Clinton said “You know, the NRA’s position reminds me of negotiating with the Iranians or the Communists. You know there is no possible discussion and it’s for political purposes.”
  • President Obama asked America’s gun owners ..to think about whether your views are properly being represented by the organization that suggests it’s speaking for them.
  • Bernie Sanders said “we have got to come together on common sense approaches.. to ban semi-automatic assault weapons, guns which have no other purpose but to kill people.”
  • The Chicago Sun Times says every politician in washington should pass a law making it illegal to sell a gun online or at a gun show to anybody who is a convicted felon, repeat domestic abuser or seriously mentally ill.  How unreasonable would that be?

Obviously the Chicago Sun Times and leading democrats don’t know existing firearms laws that already make those transfers illegal.  They don’t know how mass murderers actually get their guns.. or they don’t care, because they only need to sell voters and advertisers, not solve a real problem.

 

Gary?  open comment-  The NRA is the only organization that gets blamed for things its members never do.

  • John – I don’t have a problem with neg. like the Iranians. They got the bomb and the USA got nada.

 

Rob- I called the NRA and asked them how NRA membership numbers look.  In particular, I asked the membership office in Fairfax, Virginia  if people were calling up and cancelling their memberships.  They aren’t.  The rate of new memberships and renewals is up, but they have noticed a particular surge in new lifetime memberships.  Life memberships are usually a thousand dollars, but the NRA runs a promotion at each annual meeting where they drop the rates.  You can become a life member, an endowment, patron or benefactor member.

 

A friend of mine in New York City is a photographer.  She doesn’t own a gun, but after hearing the progressive politicians dump hate gun owners and the NRA, she became a member.

 

John- Now your friend gets daily e-mails from Fairfax.   

 

CF- She doesn’t have to get them if she doesn’t want them. The NRA is EXTRAORDINARILY good about respecting their members desires. My Father bitched and moaned until I talked to the NRA for him. They immediately took him off all their mailing lists. This forced my Dad to find something else to bitch and moan about. 😉

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Do Non-Badged Citizens With Guns Ever Stop Mass Shootings?
In his televised fit only hours after the UCC murders, Obama dismissively asked if more guns actually reduce crime? Eugene Volokh, of the Volokh Conspiracy blog, answers definatively: Yes they do!

 

Professor Volokh cites ten times where a civilian with a gun stopped a mass shooting.  Of course, such instances are relatively rare, as the diseased mass killer usually chooses places where he will not be restrained in his sick fantasy. Areas like gun-free zones. As an example, the Aurora theater killer deliberately bypassed nine closer venues and choose a smaller movie house – because it was the one protected by a gun-free zone sign.   

It seems the only logical way to reduce these mass killings is to eliminate gun-free zones.   

 

Rob- I’ve written about this.  John has written about the failures of gun control.

Gary- Massad Ayoob has written about this. He references an article that talks about a dozen cases where a concealed carriers stopped mass shootings.  It is good to see other journalists weigh in.

 

-John – I love what Mas calls GFZs – hunting preserves for psychopaths.

 

Cuomo Throws an Anti-Gun Tantrum

Speaking of petulant tantrums, New York Governor Cuomo threw a beaut at the funeral of an ex-aide. His former aide and friend was shot at an early morning party in the Bronx. Instead of eulogizing his friend, the rabidly anti-gun Governor of New York City and Albany delivered a political anti-gun stump speech. He demanded the Democrats shut down the nation’s government until the gun control laws that are not working in New York are legislated nation-wide.   

 

We certainly agree with Cuomo’s demand to shut down the non-essential portions of the federal government. However, the laws that the citizens of his state are roundly ignoring are nothing we could tolerate under our Constitutionally guaranteed Rights. Better try again, Stumpy.    

 

Ronald Reagan Carried a Gun While President
Another President had very different ideas about personal gun possession and use. Brian Meltzer, author of the new book The President’s Shadow, reports that President Reagan carried a weapon in a bag or briefcase with him after the assassination attempt. A Secret Service agent revealed this info to Meltzer while he was researching the book.  

Looks like the nickname Ronnie Raygun was a little bit closer to the truth than his detractors would have hoped. Good on you, Mr. President!   

For any commentator: Sooooo, what gun do you think Reagan carried?  A 1911?  ;^)’  Old School Cool.  

 

Paul- I remember an old interview where RR stated that he saved a woman from an attack from his room by pointing an unloaded handgun at the perpetrator. It was widely thought of as a made up story until NPR (seriously!) tracked down the nurse who corroborated the story.

 

CF-Yep, a 45 Colt single action, if I remember correctly.  Definitely old school cool.

 

Felon Shoots and Paralyzes a Veteran Outside of St Louis Cardinal Stadium
This story strikes too close to home for one of our staff members. A 43 year old veteran celebrating his mother’s birthday at a St Louis Cardinals game was shot and paralyzed by a felon with a decades long rap sheet.

Chris Sanna and his girlfriend were walking back to their car after the Cardinals game when they were assaulted by two armed robbers. Despite giving the criminals everything they wanted, Sanna was shot in the back. The bullet punctured his liver and lung after destroying two vertebrae and his spinal cord. Doctors do not expect Sanna to walk again. There has been a recent spate of victims being shot after a robbery, perhaps related to the racial tensions in the city.  


Several days later, police arrested Kilwa Jones for the assault. Jones was already in jail for beating the mother of his two children. Police found video of Jones using Sanna’s credit cards. They’ve also recovered a 9mm Hi-Point from the career criminal’s car.


The Cardinals do not allow any weapons in their stadium; that includes knives and pepper spray. They do back up their policy with metal detectors, but that works only inside the stadium walls. Fans must walk the downtown streets to get to get to their cars. The fans are known to be weaponless – and very attractive to criminals. From personal observation, city police and security guards are largely absent from the streets after the games.  Fans disarmed – and abandoned – Cardinals games will be few and far between.      

 

Rob- Gun free zone.  fugitive from justice.  Tell me again how the state will protect us from thugs.

 

Governor Brown Vetoes SB347
It’s a sad commentary on the state when “Flaky Jerry” Brown, Governor Moonbeam of California, is one of the more rational political voices.

 

Senate Bill 347, authored by Senator Hannah Beth Jackson, a member of the Barking Moonbat Caucus, would have eliminated Second Amendment rights for some minor firearm-related misdemeanors. For example, possession of a single round of ammunition on school grounds could have cost a citizen their firearm rights for ten years. Brown vetoed this bill and eight others, stating; “Each of these bills creates a new crime — usually by finding a novel way to characterize and criminalize conduct that is already proscribed …without commensurate benefit.”

 

Congratulations Governor Brown, for bringing a small amount of common sense to California.

 

Unfortunately, sanity was apparently only a fleeting acquaintance, as Jerry has signed Senate Bill 707. The bill, despite the experience of the UCC murders, prohibits licensed, law-abiding CCW holders from carrying firearms on school property. The law further criminalizes the simple possession of ammunition on campus, even without the firearm. Apparently, the politicians decided to Gun-Free Zone HARDER!

 

Rob- This is more of the culture war on gun owners in California.  So the inadvertent possession of ammunition on school grounds was vetoed in one bill and then passed in the next bill.  The democrat politicians of California are abusing gun owners while they build another school shooting.  The California Attorney General said the legislature should show autopsy photographs of the murdered students in order to pass more gun laws.  I like that.  I want to show the pictures of the murdered students to show how their gun free school zones failed again and again.

 

John – I think Gov. Brown is trying to split the baby. He vetoes one anti-rights bill and then signs another. It doesn’t work that way. You are either pro-rights or anti-rights. There is really no in-between. The fact that SB 707 creates a privileged class – retired LEO – is wrong.

 

Professor leaves Texas for Australia

Here is a lighthearted take on the very somber subject of guns on campus.  MIssouri and Texas passed laws allowing carry on campus.  A local campus denied its staff the right to carry.  In similar situations, some professors have written articles saying students are at a greater risk once licensed concealed carriers are disarmed.  One law school professor at the University of Missouri is suing the school for a civil rights violation by denying him the right to carry. A business professor at Purdue in Indiana is also fighting for that same right.

 

John- William A. Jacobson is a clinical professor of law at Cornell Law School.  He also blogs at the Legal Insurrection website, and he came out against gun-free schools.

 

In contrast, one professor at the University of Texas at Austin said he will leave Texas and go to Australia to teach because of Texas carry laws.  Another 390 faculty members from UT said they would not allow students with CHLs to carry in their classrooms.  Given that few of their students are over 21, that is a hollow threat.

 

John- They could be 18 if they were in the military.

John –

 

Susan- Rachel had this to say about her fellow texans.

Maybe all the anti-gun professors will leave and get replaced by a friendlier faculty.

I hoped that someone who has the credentials and education to be a professor would understand some basic logic, including but not limited to the following points:

-We’ve already had campus carry for almost 2 decades, just not inside the school buildings

-this new law does not allow 18 year old freshmen to have any more access to guns, nor does it permit them to use guns to murder professors

-someone intent on shooting a professor out of anger is not super likely to go to the trouble, expense, and time of obtaining a chl.

Unfortunately, UT Austin professors are baffled by such simple arguments.

 

Rob- Most of these professors are elitists.  A university president with either conviction or bravery would accept their resignation and say good riddance.  If you’re carrying in class, it is not a sin to tell a lie to someone who does not deserve to know the truth.

 

Gun Quotes- Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.  Martin Luther King, Jr.  I would add, do you love your family and community enough to protect them?

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Campus Carry in Texas

Campus Carry goes into effect on August 1. It will allow CHL holders to carry concealed inside buildings on campus. Schools in Texas are currently deciding what their policies will be, since they are allowed to restrict carry in areas of their choosing. Our activists are speaking up to try to prevent carry restrictions.

 

Guests:

Tina Maldonado, UT staff member and chapter facilitator of A Girl & A Gun

Brittany Sutton, student leader of Texas A&M Students for Concealed Carry on Campus

 

Action items:

  1. UT-Austin is conducting a survey. Please share it with your people who are connected to UT and ask them to fill it out. This includes students, staff, faculty, and also anybody in the community. Link: https://utexas.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_9QrRbfdWtcjk0Bf
  2. Everybody in Texas knows somebody connected to A&M. Find those pro-gun students and tell them to join the facebook group Texas A&M Students for Concealed Carry on Campus. There will be public forums – make sure they go and speak up. Link: https://www.facebook.com/groups/tamusccc/
  3. Befriend a college student and take him or her shooting.

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Houston Deputy Shoots Home Invader

A Houston, Texas criminal made a very poor choice in the victim selection process. Behind Door #1 stood a Harris County Deputy Sheriff and his duty weapon. When his door was kicked down and the invader rushed into his home, the deputy fired. The suspect fled in a car likely driven by a second suspect. Because blood was found in the hallway, it is almost certain the Deputy wounded the invader. Area hospitals have been alerted to watch for a black male with a gunshot wound.


We note that the Deputy was in the same desperate situation that many normal homeowners are finding themselves. He relied on his weapon to save his life, as many of the other homeowners have done – and will do in the future. That’s certainly a common sense reason to own a firearm.  

 

Three Against One Turns Out Poorly For Home Invaders

A homeowner turned the tables on three home invaders – through the use of a firearm.  A Dallas-Fort Worth homeowner found himself under attack by three invaders. Their robbery and assault was going as planned until the homeowner was able to grab a gun. Neighbors heard the five shots that hit all three invaders. The criminals ran from the house and escaped in a car driven by an accomplice. The driver abandoned the car at an intersection, and the three wounded robbers were arrested and taken to a hospital. The feckless fourth remains at large.

 

Rob- Point shooting was taught at an NRA safety class.

John- look for one handed point shooting Col. Rex Applegate.

 

Husband Shoots From Behind a Robber
As they say: Location, Location, Location. An elderly Indianapolis couple is together today because the husband used the advantages of position, stealth and a firearm to stop a deadly attack.

The 75-year-old woman was at their property rental office when she found herself under the gun of a 27-year-old attacker. Her husband heard the commotion from the front office, entered the room from behind the attacker and saw the gun pointed at his wife’s head. The man describes his fear for her life and shooting into the robber’s back. When the criminal got up and pointed his gun again, the elderly man fired twice more. Those shots struck the thief in the head. The attacker is in critical condition in a local hospital. He has a long rap sheet with several outstanding warrants for his arrest.

 

Police will not charge the elderly man. A spokesman stated that if someone comes into your home and you’re in imminent fear of danger for your life, you have a right to protect yourself.

In such a deadly situation, an armed citizen is under no obligation to warn the attacker, nor chivalrously face him. The elderly man was completely justified in shooting the attacker in the back without warning. He rightly used every advantage he had in that deadly situation.

 

However, most firearm instructors advise to shoot until the threat stops. Allowing the criminal to regain his feet and point the gun again is not a good strategy. Many self defense instructors also believe that with a finger on the gun’s trigger, a central nervous system hit is best. For immediate incapacitation, without the reflexive tightening of the trigger finger, a shot to the brainstem, the medulla oblongata, is recommended. However, the citizen must be able to make the shot to a racquet ball sized target at the base of the brain. Education, training and practice are a must.  

This episode is just one more common sense reason to have a gun — and to know how to use it.  

 

Rob-

 

Another Craigslist Ambush

Police say at least two criminals were shot after a Craigslist ambush was foiled by an intended victim.
A father and son from Grand Rapids drove into Battle Creek, Michigan to buy a car. When they arrived, they were jumped by three robbers. The son, a concealed carry license holder, fired twice, hitting two of the alleged attackers. The third criminal is still on the loose. Because of the son’s action, neither father nor son were injured.  

 

It should come as no surprise that people with cash or valuables meeting anonymous strangers at an unfamiliar location are in a risky situation. Buyers and sellers should both take precautions. Many police departments are setting up Craigslist Transaction Zones outside of their stations. We urge our listeners to stay careful, observant, and prepared.     

 

Don’t Torque Off The Old Guy

“I wanted to shoot him really bad. I really wanted to shoot him”; said Old Guy Robert Hamm, who had his 10 AM nap interrupted by a man carrying an armful of his tools. “I just pointed the gun at him and told him I’d blow him in two if he moved.” The very expressive Old Guy made the thief lie on the floor until the Carter County, Kentucky Sheriff’s Department arrived. Hamm said he’d known the suspect from birth and he has a reputation for this sort of thing.

Unfortunately, the 75-year-old might get his shot, as the home-invader is still at large. The suspect was so intoxicated from pills and booze that he was taken to a hospital to detox. A day or so later, the thief checked himself out of the hospital — and disappeared. Hamm felt it’s inexcusable that a man who broke into his home carrying a knife was given a chance to walk away. “It made me madder than hell.” The Old Guy had predicted the legal system would let the burglar off lightly. “I’ve seen where they’ve turned people loose who’ve done it four or five times,” he said. Officials say the burglar could be held in contempt of court (ooooo!) since he didn’t turn himself in.

Hamm’s not overly concerned about a return visit. The Old Guy said, “I wish he would. I would finish the job.” The thief should know that you just Don’t Torque-Off The Old Guys. And you certainly don’t interrupt their naps.  

 

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Segment 5 Show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Email #1

Subject: Guns in the cold

 

Apologies for the delay in sending this in. You had a guest on recently discussing the effects of extreme cold on the functioning of semiautomatic weapons. Immediately it made me remember the exploits of my “cousins” back in Finland during the Winter War with Russia at the outset of WW2. The winter of 39 was one of the coldest on record, so cold that the Baltic Sea froze ships in place. The Finns had to change how they handled the cleaning of their guns, adding gasoline to their gun oil for their rifles,  mainly Mosin Nagants.  For automatics and their artillery they used a mix of alcohol and glycerine to avoid the freeze. I’ll attach an image from William Trotters book Frozen Hell (an amazing read FYI).

 

As a side note, this would have been the practice of Simo Hyha during the war. Hyha is by far the highest numbered sniper in World history, especially confounding when you consider the short time span of his engagement. Also his weapon of choice was an iron sighted Mosin, scopes raised his head too high.

 

Love the show, keep it up.

 

Aaron

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Email from Bud with the Subject line Crazy Gun Studies

 

I happen to run across this interview today and couldn’t believe what this professor was stating.  I immediately posted it on Facebook, with a detailed overview and the links, to show to my pro-rights friends and followers.  I couldn’t locate it on Facebook, so I reposted it later in the day.  I think that I will post it daily and in different areas of Facebook and other social media sites to ensure that it is seen by many.

 

Here is my posting

 

Is anyone buying what this “Professor” is selling when it comes to CHL’s, guns and crime rates?  “There isn’t any correlation between concealed handgun license holders and crime” according to the professor and his colleagues at Texas A&M.   He also describes how they collected and formulated their data, which is drastically different than normal research performed by others.  You can listen to a short interview that the professor gave on Wednesday, September 30, 2015 at http://dfw.cbslocal.com/audio/minute-with-mitch.

 

Texas A&M Regents Professor Emeritus Dr. Charles Phillips states that he was not surprised by their findings.  He said a couple of things during this short interview that leads me to believe that he has an agenda in obtaining his results.  One is he states that “according to the NRA, if you don’t carry a weapon, you are a CHUMP”.  And secondly, “the NRA’s definition of a victim is someone who doesn’t own a gun.”  I’ve never heard anyone from the NRA state this and I’ve never seen it written on their website.  Maybe the Dr. can point this out or provide a link where I can find this information?

 

He states that their research shows that the number of CHL holders in Texas counties has a direct correlation with the number of firearm dealers in that county, but nothing due to crime rates.  CHL holders are very seldom convicted of crimes, but when they do happen they are big time serious crimes. He references previous studies that he or Texas A&M have done named “When CHL Holders Break Bad”.   In these studies they found:

  • There are very few convictions or occurrences of crimes by CHL holders
  • They are violent crimes
  • A firearm is usually involved
  • There is a death

 

He also states that “easy access to a means of deadly force means that it is likely to be used.”

 

Dr. Phillips cites 3 recent studies conducted by the American Journal of Public Health which conclude that more guns (he doesn’t state whether legal or illegal, and I have not read them yet) equal:

  • More police officers are killed
  • Higher rates of young male suicides
  • Guns are more likely to be used by, or on, another occupant of the home, rather than to protect you from an outsider or stranger (criminal).

 

The Dr. provides the following advice – “If you are thinking of buying a firearm for home defense, consider the following:

  • Guns in households are dangerous
  • It is more likely that GUN suicides will occur
  • Don’t believe that you are going to save yourself from, or during, a criminal encounter.”

 

Just for the record, I am biased on gun ownership, CHL holders and I’m a lifetime member of the NRA.

 

I hope that you guys can create a research topic on firearm studies and results in a near future podcast.  I would really like to hear someone have Dr. Phillips on their show to challenge him on his research tactics and conclusions. Maybe having Dr. John Lott on the show to discuss specific issues with the way that studies such as this one is slanted for certain results would also be very enlightening?  We all hear of different studies, with major differences in their results and are often left wondering who is right.

 

Keep up the good work on the Polite Society podcast.  I look forward to listening to it each week and I have even gone back and listened to the older podcasts to hear topics of the times and the fine DGU stories.

 

Thank you,

Bud

 

-John – Believe or not, I actually know Charles Phillips. Or did. He was an asst prof of political science at UNC-Chapel Hill when I was in grad school. He got there in about 1981 and left in 1987 when he didn’t get tenure. He was one of the young liberal professors. I didn’t know he had become a prof of public health.

 

Rob- I’ve read the studies.  They count a criminal bringing a gun on your property as if it was your gun… and therefore you had a gun on premises.

 

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Jacob emailed us a video of a hero who stepped in and ended up losing his life trying to help rescue a woman being threatened by a man with a gun

 

http://higherperspectives.com/homeless-man/?utm_source=cleo&utm_content=inf_10_34_2&ts_pid=2

 

This guy is a hero. Full stop. He made a risky move when he saw an opportunity, and it could have turned out very poorly, but I find it hard to fault a man who is so clearly willing to give his life for a stranger. He gets shot, mortally wounded, and continues fighting to subdue the attacker and save the victim. I hesitate to call him a victim in return, because I doubt he would want that – I think he knew the trade he was making and went in knowing he might not come out. I think it really drives home what Paul always says – weapons and tactical advantages might make defending yourself easier, but the fight is never over as long as you’re conscious and willing to fight back.

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William also emailed us.

 

Greetings All,

I’d sent this weeks ago but I am a world class master procrastinator. I’ll reference several shows.

You had referenced the wonderful NY trigger and kind of equated it to that of a double action revolver.

While that can be true it really depends on the revolver, specially the time frame of it’s design and build. My wife has an old Webley revolver made back in the early 1900’s. It was carried by her grandfather who served as a sheriff somewhere in West Texas. We don’t shoot it but the trigger pull is such that I’m tempted to use two fingers when I play with it. (Not very often due to its on hammer firing pin.) I suspect that is very close to the NY trigger. I hear the new S&W J-frames are as bad but haven’t pulled the trigger on one to see. On the other hand the K-frames made back in the 50’s and 60’s when the police were using them were very nice. Maybe 7 to 8 pounds, smooth and were a joy to shoot, if you used proper trigger technique. Still kicking myself for selling one that I had. And while python’s stack a bit differently I’ve heard few complaints about their triggers.

Next topic. Several time you, and those on other podcasts, seem to make a distinction between the police and civilians. Unless a police officer is also a member of the military they are also civilians. While that is nitpicking word usage we really need to be careful as those opposed to our views will use anything they can against us. Perhaps “private citizen” would be a better term to use for distinction.

Last topic for this email is the apparent misconception with regard to using a gun to protect property in Texas. In spite of what has been said Texans can no more use guns just to protect property than anyone else. We do however have a bit more leeway. As it was explained to me back when I took a concealed carry class in the 90’s. The teacher was a police officer and what he said summarized and in my words.

If I see someone in my workshop I can go out and confront him. However unless he has a weapon, picks up something to use as such, or makes a furtive movement I can’t just shoot him. I can however have a gun in my hand. At night things are a bit different because I can’t see as well. Does he have a weapon I’m not seeing? What during the day time might look innocent might look like a dangerous furtive motion at night. Is someone else hiding in the darkness. It all comes down to whether we think we are in mortal danger.

>From past episodes I know you will say that you shouldn’t go out and confront them. While that may be true it is a personal decision and realize that when people live in rural areas things are a bit different. That 911 call which may take 10 long minutes in town can take hours in the country. The last time I needed an officer’s assistance they had to patch me through to the responding officer so I could talk him in. Couldn’t find the place.

Either way, I for one, don’t want to just sit and watch while someone carries off all my stuff. I guess it boils down to the feeling that if something is worth having it is worth fighting for. It is a decision I’d just have to make at the time and the situation. If there is a team, they can take what they want. My life isn’t worth the risk.

 

Is a human life worth my table saw? I don’t know. Is the bad guy really human or a predatory animal? While legally human you have to wonder what will he do on his next job? I think we all would do what was necessary to stop him if he was stealing a firearm. It’s a very complex issue with lots of what ifs.

Enjoy your show. Keep up the good work or I’ll cut what I pay for your show. 8->

William

 

Rob- badged and unbadged civilians

Gary-

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Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I posted the links to the Gun Rights Policy Conference along with a list of the speakers.  I did that for each of the three segments we recorded.  I also wrote up a review of the conference.

 

After the recent murders in Oregon, we’ve heard the howls for more gun control.  The politicians and news media got me thinking, and I asked myself if gun control works.  We know it doesn’t work in schools, but I wondered if I was missing something, so I looked at the data from each of the 50 states.  I put the states in order based on their level of gun control, and then looked at the FBI data for the crime rates in each state.  I printed the data out as a graph so anyone can see it.  After looking at the results, I can say that gun control does not reduce violent crime.  The article is called “Does Gun Control Work”  I’ve seen several other authors write similar articles, so it is a good time to study that question.

 

This may sound simplistic to our long time listeners, but most people have not studied these issues at all.  They think violent crime has increased when violent crime has fallen since the early 1990s.  I want to thank our listeners for reading past the headlines and staying informed.

 

In another article I said gun-free zones and fatherless boys are killing us.  That was in the article called Liberal Politicians Blinded by Feel-Good Policy on Guns.

 

My articles are up at Ammoland and Clash Daily.  After the shooting in Oregon, I noticed I had 55 entries in my category called Public Violence.  You can find all of them on my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I’ve done a number of posts since GRPC but this is one I want to highlight. Dr. Carson said that if the Jews had not been disarmed it could have made a difference with regard to the Holocaust. He was correct and the mainstream media piled on trying to discredit his statements. They are trying to make out like he is a kook and trigger happy. Frankly, they are afraid of the truth. One need only listen to our friends in JPFO and read the writings of Stephen Halbrook to know that.

 

I will have an important post coming out on the 15th. It will be called Every Picture Tells A Story, Part 3. It will be in honor of Maine going live with Constitutional Carry on that day. It graphically shows the growth of freedom from 1986 through 2014.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

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Episode 332 – Bob Mayne and Dan Roberts

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, June 7,2015.  I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk about growing the gun culture with instructor and podcaster Bob Mayne.
John: I’m John Richardson, and texas finally has campus carry.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty we have a guest interview with Dan Roberts from the marchers in front of New Jersey Senator Stephen Sweeney’s house.. so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 332 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.
Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob dry practiced with friends Thursday night.  Shot IDPA with my G19 friday night.  Picked up some new magazines for my small browning 1911-22 saturday morning.  I talked with John Edeen about his new 10mm version of the Sig 220.  Finally cleaned my Mosin Nagant.  (Sorry it took me so long, John.)

John – I doubt the Finns had much time to clean their Mosins when they were fighting the Red Army!  The one thing I did this week firearms related was email my local state representative, a Democrat, asking him to support HB 562, the Second Amendment Affirmation Act, as it would eventually do away with North Carolina’s pistol purchase permit system. Imagine my surprise when I got a call yesterday evening from him asking to discuss the bill. He said he was a gun owner, CCW holder, NRA member, and a hunter. He went to say there was a lot in the bill he could support and would with a few changes. He gave me his cell number and asked me to call or text him with my comments if the bill changes. I didn’t vote for him but I was impressed that he took the time to call me.

Gary – Class and more shooting

Break

Seg 2- News

-The Texas legislature completed the final steps for campus carry and governor Abbott signed it into law.  The new law requires Texas public universities to allow licensed concealed carry holders into dorms, classrooms and campus buildings.  College campuses have often sprawled across town, with a department building intermixed with private businesses and public roads.  Licensed concealed carry was already allowed on campus, but you couldn’t enter the school buildings.  You can in the fall of 2016.

The law allows universities to carve out gun-free zones in locations of their choice – establishing their own rules on where handguns are carried and how they’re stored. We will see what college administrators do with that loophole.  Private universities can opt out of the carry requirement altogether.

-There were 27 shootings in Baltimore over the Memorial day weekend. 19 people were robbed in New York City’s central park. Chicago had 12 people shot to death and an additional 47 shot and wounded over the same weekend.  That is a tragedy.  Baltimore, Chicago, New York.. these deep blue cities are the very model of progressive regulation.  In response to continued violence, the Obama administration called for more anti-rights controls.

The White House press secretary said, Quote “Obviously there’s some common sense things we could do – certainly passage of some gun safety laws in Congress that could keep guns out of the hands of criminals would be one thing that we could do to try to limit the violence.” Also, the government could improve the lives of citizens living in poverty stricken areas of our inner cities.  close quote.

They called it gun safety, but it is really about people control. The White House failed to tell us that assaults with a firearm are down.  That is why I have to ask this question.  There are thousands of firearms restrictions in these cities already, and the violence marches on.  Which criminals do they think will obey these new restrictions?

Even though people can’t work and raise a family in those examples of a deep blue progressive paradise, the obama administration wants to blame firearms for violence.  This week the Department of Justice said it will institute over a dozen new regulations to make it harder for law abiding gun owners to own a firearm for self-defense.

We don’t think these anti-rights laws will help our friends trying to live in the inner city.

Rob- DC had  violent weekend too. People shot = 9. People stabbed = 7.

John – It just infuriates me that the gun prohibitionists try to call what they do gun safety.

-In chicago, publicity seeking priest Michael Pfleger said the NRA was responsible for the shootings in chicago.  Pfleger was joined by Jesse Jackson and Brady Campaign president Dan Gross as they staged a rally outside Dick’s sporting goods in Chicago.

Gary- This isn’t about firearms safety.  There were 300 shootings in Chicago last month.  None of them were by concealed carry holders or honest citizens who legally bought a gun and had a background check.  My students don’t shoot innocent people on street corners.

These spokesmen are chasing dollars in a witch hunt against guns.

Rob- Lots of our deep-blue progressive cities have seen a surge in violent crime.

John – You don’t think some of those shootings might have been gang on gang, do you?

-Those gun grabbers in Chicago are not the only people seeking public attention.   A man carried his AR into Atlanta airport.  He videoed himself doing it as he trolled for the police.  A second man wore his Star Wars stormtrooper costume, complete with blaster, outside a school in Massachusetts.  He also got some police attention.  If you absolutely positively need public attention, then please enter a beauty pageant or buy a dog.  You are undermining the right of self-defense as you shock the average citizen.  You’re really working for gun grabbers like bloomberg while you feed your ego.

BREAK

-This news should make our inner cities safer.  Last week we reported that Washington, DC’s good cause requirement to get a carry permit was enjoined by a judge.  In the last few days, I’m hearing reports that ordinary citizens finally received approval to take a class and receive a DC carry permit.  DC also said licensed carry holders could carry a spare loaded magazine.

Rob- We’ll have an interview on applying for your non-resident DC permit.

-Self-defense news may seem politically partisan.  There is a reason for that, as documented by a recent Yougov poll.  Republicans were 50% more likely than democrats to say they owned a .gun.  69 percent of Republicans say the ‘average American’ can be trusted with a firearm while only 32 percent of Democrats trust the average american.  Democrats were almost three times more likely than republicans to want stricter gun laws.

The meaning is clear to me.  We need to take more friends shooting so more democrats will stand up for the human right of self-defense.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/jun/1/guns-public-poll-finds-most-americans-comfortable-/#ixzz3byKQJUiw

Obama Seeks To Limit Communication About Firearms
It’s often said that those who would eliminate one fundamental Constitutional Right would have little problem eliminating others. From the NRA-ILA comes a warning of the Obama administration’s effort to restrict free speech about firearms. It reads like a tinfoil hat fever dream, but we assure you that the source is the reputable NRA-ILA. Obama is once again attacking the First and Second Amendments.

In the June 3rd issue of the Federal Register, the administration proposes “clarifying” the International Traffic in Arms (ITAR) regulations pertaining to the sharing of technical information on firearms and ammunition. Since Algore’s internet is worldwide, under the new rules any firearms data published on the web could be deemed an export of ITAR controlled information. Prior governmental permission would be needed or the poster could face 20 years in prison and a million dollars of fines. The chilling effect on free speech is obvious.

The firearm technical data would include blueprints, drawings, photographs, plans, instructions or documentation. Gunsmiths, manufacturers, reloaders, and do-it-yourselfers could all be suddenly subject to ITAR regulation. Under the proposed gag orders, your next issue of Guns and Ammo might only be a pamphlet, firearms specific websites would be blank pages. And the broad online open discussions about firearms we enjoy nowadays would only be a another fading memory of freedom.

Comment will be accepted on the proposed changes until August 3, 2015. Comments may be submitted online at regulations.gov or via e-mail at DDTCPublicComments@state.gov with the subject line, ‘‘ITAR Amendment—Revisions to Definitions; Data Transmission and Storage.” Please contact your U.S. legislators. Urge them to oppose the State Department’s attempt to censor online speech concerning the technical aspects of firearms and ammunition. You can use the NRA’s “Write Your Lawmakers” feature (link in the shownotes) or call the Congressional Switchboard at (202) 225-3121.

Please, please make your voice heard — while you still can.

Surgeon General Vivek Murthy Intends to Pursue Gun Control as a Health Issue

When Dr Vivek Murthy was being confirmed as the US Surgeon General there were a lot of questions about his sparse medical qualifications, lack of experience, untested leadership and his hardline anti-gun stance. He mollified the Senators by promising to not let his personal convictions interfere with his duties as Surgeon General.

He lied, of course.

In a recent fawning NPR interview, Murthy reiterates his statement that “guns are a health care issue.” He further states that  “Violence of all kinds is a public health issue. When you have large numbers of people dying from preventable causes, that’s a health care issue.  I want to find a way that we can reduce violence in America. … What I’m calling for is for more common sense.”

Despise Murthy’s claim of common sense, treating violence as medical issue is largely nonsensical. Common sense and statistics show that violence declines when criminals are  targeted. Regardless of facts, it is apparent that the Surgeon General will join the Obama administration’s coordinated assault on the Right To Keep and Bear Arms.

Legislation Proposes $60 Million for Anti-Gun Research
On Monday, NRA F-rated Sen. Edward Markey and our old friend Rep. Carolyn Maloney introduced legislation to authorize the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to give $60 million of the taxpayers’ money to anti-gun activists to conduct “research” promoting gun control. If approved, these studies would use taxpayer monies to promote a political agenda against a constitutionally-protected right.

We wish that if Bloomberg would like to fund additional questionably biased anti-gun studies, he would use some of his own billions rather than getting Maloney to use our tax dollars.

Rob- It won’t be approved in this congress.
Republican Representatives Preparing to Block DOJ Anti-gun Initiatives
Republican Representatives are attempting to use the Constitutional Power of the Purse to frustrate Obama’s Department of Justice anti-gun initiatives. They are preparing to use a funding bill to roll back some of the Department of Justice’s backdoor gun controls and to completely block the implementation of others.

Breitbart News has reported the DOJ’s plans to circumvent Congress with ‘more than a dozen’ new gun control regulations.  These include new limitations on who can buy or possess guns, new reporting requirements for gun dealers, and new controls on certain types of firearms. The controls also add a whole new category of persons who have to undergo background checks when estates hold National Firearm Act guns in trust.

House Republicans are planning to stop the backdoor gun control push via riders to current funding legislation. The GOP-attached riders mean the DOJ cannot get the money it needs unless the Obama administration backs down from certain gun regulations. It is not known if House Speaker John Boehner retains enough of a spine to effectively back these initiatives.

The SAF Files an Appeal in Their Challenge of Washington’s Initiative 594
Several weeks ago we discussed the SAF’s challenge to Washington’s Bloomberg Inspired Anti-Rights Initiative 594. The judge dismissed the lawsuit on what many legal scholars believe to be the shakiest of grounds. Now, the SAF has filed an appeal of the dismissal before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
“We believe an appeal will result in the case being remanded for full hearing because there are serious issues at stake,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb. “Citizens should not have to actually be criminally prosecuted in order to challenge the constitutionality of a poorly-written law.”

We wish Alan Gottlieb and the SAF all the best in this important effort.

Harbor Freight Allows Open Carry In Its Stores
In a recent press release, Harbor Freight stated  “We understand that there are a wide range of views on ‘open carry’ and other policies concerning firearms. We believe these policies should be addressed by the appropriate government agencies—not by Harbor Freight Tools.” Based on that wise understanding of the situation, Harbor Freight will permit the open carrying of firearms within its stores as long as local laws are being followed.

We applaud Harbor Freight’s decision to respect the rights of all of its customers. And we must confess to a sudden urge for some more power tools…

WHO???
Gun Quote-   I carry a weapon. I got a death threat a few years ago and was really scared. But I don’t want bodyguards. I am my own security. Country singer Miranda Lambert,

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our Bob Mayne interview.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Bob Mayne

Dan Roberts

Segment 4 DGUs

Welcome back to the defensive gun use segment

A Gun Saves a Life
In this DGU, a victim’s gun saves an innocent life. A couple walked out of a Tampa eatery and into two robbers with a gun. As the woman attempted to run, one suspect aimed his gun in her direction. The woman’s companion defended her life with his concealed carry weapon, shooting the criminal and stopping the attack.

The highwayman is in the hospital with a gunshot wound to the leg. His accomplice later turned himself into the police. The woman suffered minor injuries from falling in the parking lot. Her protector was uninjured.

Clerk Shoots at Three Armed Robbers

Three masked and armed men attempted to rob the Happy Daze Smoke Shop in Houston.  Unfortunately – for them – they did not hide their preparations any too well, and the observant clerk was ready for them. Unfortunately – for them – the clerk was armed, and he fired as the trio rushed into the store, yelling Go, Go, Go!

One of the robbers stumbled back into the parking lot, where he collapsed. His two confederates left him there to die.

It seems a clear case of self-defense, and in rights friendly Texas, the clerk is not expected to face charges.

Elderly Man Thwarts Home Invasion

A burglar entered through the window of 70 year old Ronald Dyke’s home at 2am on last Sunday. Fortunately, the Sullivan County, Tennessee homeowner was armed. Mr. Dykes said he only had seconds to react so he pulled out his gun and shot the intruder. Mr. Dykes’ home had been previously burglarized in April.

Police found the burglar at the Holston Valley Medical Center where he was seeking treatment for his gunshot wounds.

Mr. Dykes is protected from any prosecution by Tennessee’s Castle Doctrine. Sullivan County District Attorney Barry Staubus said, “It has to be a reasonable defense of your home and you have to be in imminent fear of death. If those things exist, then you have the right to defend yourself.”

Texas Woman Stops Home Invasion

A woman in Waxahachie (Wax-Ah-Hatch-EE), Texas stopped a home invasion on Tuesday afternoon. Trent Sinyard, 32, first knocked on the front door and then went to the back door where he started to kick it in. As the door broke, the homeowner shot at him through the door multiple times wounding him in the head and shoulder.

Here is where this story takes a funny turn. Relatives say Sinyard, who lived next door to the victim, was only looking for the family dog that had escaped. That must explain why sheriff’s deputies found him hiding in the attic of his mother’s home. They took Sinyard to a local hospital for treatment for his wounds and then arrested him.

A spokesman for the Sheriff’s Office had this to say about defending yourself from a home invasion. “As soon as we know something’s going on, we’re coming, but our sheriff is very adamant letting homeowners know you have a right to take care of yourself on your property.”

Woman Uses Gun to Stop Three Murderous Carjackers
A wrong turn on the mean streets of Detroit resulted in a woman desperately battling for her life. While attempting to make a U-turn, three armed thugs approached her car, jerked open the door and opened fire, putting two slugs into the door. What could have have been just another Detroit murder took a decidedly different turn when the woman emptied her CCW handgun’s 13 rounds of .357 SIG at the offenders. The hoodrats scurried away to the safety of some nearby abandoned homes.

The woman defiantly stated that; “All the residents of the city need to come together and take back this city from the thugs and the criminals that have taken over this city, and if you live in fear you’ll never bring this city back. You should be able to go anytime to get gas. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave, right? Why can’t we act like it?”

Detroit Police say she legally defended herself and, so far, it appears no one was hurt in the shooting. We sincerely applaud the woman’s moxie, but we believe she could benefit from one of Rick Ector’s Legally Armed in Detroit handgun classes to tune-up her handgun skills. Rick is training 300 Detroit area women for free.

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Listener e-mail discussion

From listener Bow in NY,

I was “lucky” enough to get a pistol permit in the state of ny. The county I’m in issues it as a “sportsmans carry” permit. Meaning I can carry to and from the range or approved hunting grounds. If I were to travel to a state that actually recognized ny permits would those states rules apply or would I be stuck with the moronic laws of my state. I mean I passed their background check and they allow me to buy guns, why only allow me to carry to certain areas?  Again only punishing the people that follow the law. Seems to be a lot of people being shot on a daily basis, funny they are no where near a range, don’t have a permit, and the guns were obtained illegally.

Thanks,
Bow
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The next email is from Peter The subject line reads “Topic idea”

Hi Guys,

Wonder if you might think about getting someone on to talk about the process of getting a non-resident DC carry permit? I live across the river in Virginia and I do have to go into the city from time to time.

Plus, it seems like now might be a good time to inundate them with a few tens of thousands of applications.

Also, when ya’ll interviewed Bob Mayne a month or two ago, you were talking about testing a gun to make sure it’s reliable before you carry. I wonder, does that still apply if it’s your first gun, or your first carry gun? It seems to me you were mostly talking about people who have a reliable carry gun they’re thinking of replacing. If you buy your first handgun, I’d think you’d want to wring it out and make sure it’s reliable, but I don’t think that should stop you from carrying it while you do.

Thanks,

Peter

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CCW reliability-

Good idea, Peter.  We have an interview scheduled for next week.

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I wrote about Carol Bowne’s murder and the recall effort to remove New Jersey Senator Stephen Sweeney.  The post is up at Ammoland, and my blog, Slow Facts DOT wordpress, DOT com.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/06/carol-bowne-murdered-by-ex-boyfriend-and-new-jersey-laws/#axzz3cOsSOleI

John do you want to your discuss any new articles at No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money?

I did a number of posts this week regarding HB 562 which would eventually eliminate North Carolina’s pistol purchase permit system. I knew the sheriffs were against it since they’d be losing power, control, and money. I didn’t expect some Republicans to vote against it in committee. It only passed out of the Rules Committee because the chairman broke the tie in our favor. All three Republican who voted against it were both endorsed by the NRA and A-rated. So much for fair weather friends.

You can find these and other posts at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com. I have also started posting gun safety videos at my Everytown for Real Gun Safety site. The address there is everytownforgunsafety DOT blogspot DOT com.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bob Mayne for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 312 – Alexander Roubian, Richard Smith, Dean Weingarten, Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.mp3

Individual show segments

Segment 1:  Rob and Rachel open the show and talk about what has been happening with them since the last episode.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.1.mp3

Segment 2: News segment 1. Anti-Gun activists caught with guns where they shouldn’t have them. Interview with Dean Weingarten, are concealed permit holders really more law abiding than police?  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.2.mp3

Segment 3: News segment 2. Stepehen Josey gets an appeal. ATF says it doesn’t need to file the changes ban of popular rifle ammo to the federal register. Legislation to pass more restrictions in Vermont hits a snag. Texas Governor lists open carry as a priority. Campus carry issues. Gun Quote.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.3.mp3

Segment 4: Interview with Alexander Rubian, President of NJ2AS http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.4.mp3

Segment 5: Interview with Richard Smith of the Second Amendment Foundation Training Division.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.5.mp3

Segment 6: Interview with Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.6.mp3

Segment 7: DGUs and show close http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.7.mp3

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Wednesday, February 18th, 2015. I’m Rachel Malone.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we’ll talk with Alexander Roubian of NJ2AS, and Richard Smith from the SAF training division, and Dean Weingarten from the Gun Watch blog.
Rachel-  and we’ll also talk with Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack of Second Amendment Women.
Rob- did I tell you about anti-gun celebrities being caught illegally carrying handguns?  We have that and a lot more,
Rachel- so climb aboard
Rob- strap in
Rachel- and hang on! Episode 312 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- lead in  This is the personal news segment of the polite society podcast.  John is off supervising the birth of a grandchild, so we have Rachel and I to hold down the podcast today.  Rachel, How is your gun world? Have you caught up on sleep after living in the Texas Senate building last week?

Rachel- I have caught up on sleep…just in time for the start of Jordan’s spring football. 😉 It’s all good. Nothing strictly with guns this past week…I need to change that…but if you can expand that to general preparedness, I do have news. Jordan and I are setting up a home gym and I found a bunch of great stuff off of Craigslist. Very excited about that.

As a follow-up to last week’s committee hearing – the witness list was posted today. I’ve been looking forward to perusing it and learning what I can. Here’s what we’ve found after a quick reading this afternoon:
77% of those “against” came from Austin, TX; 23% came from elsewhere.
21% of those “for” or “on” came from Austin, TX; 79% came from elsewhere.
78% of those “against” only dropped a registration card.
35% of those “for” or “on” only dropped a registration card.

Rob- The local city planning commission is using lame excuses to refuse a gun range the building permits it needs.  I spoke about it at a local political meeting and asked the audience to go to the planning commission meeting  that is happening right now.  They reminded me of the ATF.  The ATF said cheap 223 ammunition has no sporting purpose.  Scuse me?  What else are you going to do with cheap ammo but shoot it for sport?  The local planning commission said the range was not for recreation.  What they meant to say is we don’t like your kind around here.

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Seg 2- News

Rachel gives us the news

-David Malik is a leading civil rights attorney in Cleveland, Ohio.  He also doesn’t want you owning guns.  Mister Malik was arrested over the weekend at Cleveland Hopkins Airport.   Malik had a concealed handgun in his carry-on bag.  David Malik is the original attorney for the family of 12-year-old Tamir Rice who was slain by police in November.  Attorney Malik spent the night in jail after a .22 caliber handgun and a box of ammunition were discovered in his luggage by airport security.

It is common for anti-gun celebrities to carry firearms.  Dwayne Ferguson was a community activist and a vocal supporter of the New York SAFE act.. until he was arrested for illegally bringing a pistol onto school grounds in Buffalo, New York.

Illinois state senator Donne Trotter was charged with a felony for bringing a loaded handgun through the security checkpoint at O’Hare airport.  Democrat Trotter was running to replace Jesse Jackson Jr. in Congress at the time.  This happened before the courts brought concealed carry to Illinois.  Trotter routinely voted to kill concealed carry bills in the Illinois Senate.

More serious was the example set by California State Senator Leland Yee.  Senator Yee both proposed and supported strict gun control.. for California citizens.  That was before his arrest on political corruption, racketeering and gun trafficking charges.  Yee wanted to sell rocket propelled grenades to criminals.

Retired Chicago Alderman Richard Mell is the father-in-law of disgraced former governor and felon Rod Blagojevich.  Alderman Mell helped craft Chicago’s old ban on handguns.  Alderman Mell also used his political connections to rewrite the registration law and create an “amnesty” period after he’d neglected to do the paperwork needed to keep his firearms.

And the late Frank Melton, former mayor of Jackson, Miss., routinely violated “gun laws” .. the same laws he demanded everyone else to obey.

There is a troubling double standard in the case of Democrat Texas State Sen. Juan “Chuy” Hinojosa.  The senator brought his own gun into an airport security area.. and didn’t even have to stand for arraignment.

Rob- Michael Moore’s bodyguard was charged for carrying a gun in a gun free zone.  Last week, the Bloomberg group Moms demand action for gun safety hired armed bodyguards, and used the armed guards to push around unarmed civilians when they testified at the Texas capital.  There are rules for us, and special rules for gun-control spokesmen and politicians.

Rachel-You remember what firearms instructor Bob Main says.  “I carry a gun because I can’t carry a cop.”  Even if we could have a policeman at our shoulder, we might want to leave them at the police station.  We’ve all seen the social media posts about police using unnecessary force.  Partial data indicates that police are convicted of firearms violations much more often than concealed carry holders.  We don’t have the complete data across the US for concealed carry holders, but the data we have for Florida says that the police were over 20 times more likely to be charged with a firearms violation than civilians.

Rob- Some factors explain the high rate of violations by law enforcement.  Each policeman sees more violent incidents than the average civilian.  Also, a civilian will often bring charges against an officer if the officer misuses a gun.  The concealed carry holder knows who belongs in his living room in the middle of the night.. and the policeman doesn’t.

There are other factors that work against the concealed carry holder.  Each criminal on the street will assault many civilians before the criminal is finally arrested by a policeman.   Also, many  jurisdictions ignore behavior by police where that same behavior by a civilian would result in prosecution.

Rob- we have dean Dean Weingarten here to make sense of this subject. Gun Watch blog, and it has a lot of news.  “For the data that we have, police appear to be three times as likely to commit murder as a concealed carry permit holder.”  Dean interview.

Dean Weingarten, welcome.
How did you get interested in this subject.
I’ve been an instructor for 40 years.  My students are extraordinarily responsible.
How do concealed carry holders compare to law enforcement officers.
Who records when an officer is arrested?
Not the FBI.  The FBI doesn’t even collect the justifiable homicides.
Domestic violence by police is closely tracked.
Who did you compare.
What did you find.
Police are 1.4/100k vs Florida is a third of that number.
police 4-5 times more likely than CCW
CCW 9 times more law abiding than general public.
Gunwatch.com
Ammoland.com
news 2

Rachel- Frequent listeners should remember hearing the young man from New Jersey.  Steffon Josey asked for an appeal, and an appeal was granted.  He and Evan Nappen will be in court soon!   They will have a date will be released in a few days. This poor kid needs some cash to earn his freedom.  Please donate to his go-fund-me account.  Throw in something even if it is only $5.

-The ATF claimed it does not need to publish its new rules in the Federal Register as it re-interprets the meaning of “armor piercing ammunition to outlaw surplus 223 ammo.  The ATF claims the reinterpretation is exempt from the Federal Administrative Procedures Act.  President Obama claimed the same thing when he re-wrote immigration law with his phone and his pen.

-Legislation to require more background checks on gun sales in Vermont has hit a major snag. Anti-rights advocates lobbied lawmakers to require background checks for sales of firearms at gun shows and over the internet. The legislation even made it into committee.  Senator Dick Sears of Bennington is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.  Senator Sears said quote “I don’t believe the background check portion of the bill has the votes to pass out of –committee.” close quote.  Most legislators do their homework and count votes before they propose legislation.

Moms Demand Action has been caught lying…again. Only this time, the untruth occurred in a committee hearing of the Texas Senate. Kelly Burke is the president of the Texas MDA chapter. While testifying against the open carry and campus carry bills last week, Ms. Burke claimed, (quote) “we do not know, about how, quote, responsible CHL holders are, because that data set is not available and is completely locked down. Any statements about how, quote, responsible and law-abiding CHL holders are is completely anecdotal and therefore conjecture.” (close quote) If she’d only searched Google, she could have easily found this data. It’s public record and is made available by the TXDPS.

-Texas open carry activists were rewarded again this week for their diligent efforts. Texas Governor Greg Abbott delivered a “state of the state” address Tuesday morning in which he laid out his top priorities for the state. Open carry made the cut. Abbott stated, (quote) “Let me briefly follow up on a word I mentioned a moment ago — liberty. In a single word, it encapsulates what this country stands for, what Texas symbolizes. I will expand liberty in Texas by signing a law that makes Texas the 45th state to allow open carry.” (close quote)

-Here are two conflicting ideas.  Some studies report high rates of sexual assault.   Women’s advocates say women are at great risk on college campuses.  Contrast that claim with the fact that many college administrators want to deny women the right to carry concealed on campus.  These administrators ignore that concealed carry holders are usually 21 years of age or older.  Concealed carry holders already have a license to carry across the state, but must disarm on campus.  In this age of diversity, the student body is more diverse than ever.  We already have returning veterans and delayed entry students on campus.  College students are not the drunken idiots shown in animal house.  They never were.  Students make adult decisions without parental supervision.  Lawmakers in 10 states are pushing bills that would permit the carrying of firearms on campus.  They hope the national spotlight on sexual assault will help them win passage of their measures.  Quote “If you’ve got a person that’s raped because you wouldn’t let them carry a firearm to defend themselves, I think you’re responsible,” State Representative Dennis K. Baxley of Florida said during debate in a House subcommittee last month. The bill passed out of committee.

Bills that would allow guns on campus have been introduced in Indiana, Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas,  Florida and Nevada and Wyoming.

Rob-  I have the gun quote today, and this is one might surprise you.  “Fighting corruption is not just good governance. It’s self-defense. It’s patriotism.”  That was from vice president Joe Biden.  I wonder if he meant the New York SAFE act and San Antonio knife laws when he talked about government corruption.  Hang on everybody we have our interview segment next.

Interviews-

New Jersey Second Amendment Society- Alexander Roubian
You’ve had meetings up and down new Jersey- how were they attended?
Do you have accounts set up for the next gun owner attacked by NJ gun laws?
Christie said he doesn’t want to meet with NJ2AS.
Carry outside the home.
Clarify self-defense as justifiable need.
Stop local jurisdictions from adding additional requirement to apply for
Clarify reasonable deviation so we can go to the bathroom.

Second Amendment Women- Sandi and Shari

Your club.
Women’s education
Training and competition
Kids safety/firearms in the home.
Kids day at the range.
What do you have planned?
How can people reach you?  http://sawshootingclub.com/

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SAF training division- Richard Smith
Why a separate training organization from NRA or US CCA?
What is the focus of the training? Self-defense. (not hunting or sporting uses)
What do you offer the prospective instructor?
Tom Givins director of training
Attend instructor seminars.
Continuing education requirements.
What do you offer the prospective student?
http://www.saftd.org/
https://www.facebook.com/saftdusa
What is your timeline?
First course at the end of march.
Develop new courses for the next year and a half.  Testing curriculum.
Where do people find you?

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob- A man’s dog woke him up just at sunrise in Edmond Oklahoma.  Then the 46 year old homeowner heard someone beating on his front door.  The masked intruder smashed his way in carrying a baseball bat.  He hit the homeowner in the hand.  The homeowner ran to his kitchen and grabbed his handgun.  He shot the intruder in the face, neck and arm.  The intruder then ran across the street to his girlfriend’s apartment. She called 911, to get him medical attention.  The burglar is expected to survive.

The intruder was the homeowners former step-son.  The step-son is charged with first-degree burglary and assault with a dangerous weapon.

Rachel- Does a woman home alone stand a chance against four home intruders? She does if she has a gun. An Alabama woman refused entrance to a group of four who knocked on her door and asked to use her phone Monday afternoon. They left, but returned later that night. They forced their way inside. The homeowner pulled out her gun and fired. One invader, Richard Taylor, died of multiple gunshot wounds. The three accomplices survived, but are now being charged with Taylor’s murder. The homeowner is not expected to face charges.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Rob This note came from Ken in Arizona.  He said
This quote from Mahatma Gandhi struck me as one that’s appropriate for our gun rights.  Quote “First they ignore you. Then, they laugh at you. Then, they fight you. Then, you win.”  Close quote
Ken continues- They are currently fighting us with everything they have. We are only one step away from winning!

Thanks Ken.

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Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank our guests for joining us. We talked with Alexander Rubian from the New Jersey Second amendment society, Richard Smith from the SAF training division, Dean Weingarten from the Gun Watch blog, and Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack of Second Amendment Women. Rob, will you be with us this weekend? I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 311 – National Concealed Carry Reciprocity

Full episode download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.mp3

Individual Segments

Intro and personal news segments. The hosts talk about what has been going on with them since the last show.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.1.mp3

News segment 1: BATFE proposes to ban popular AR 15 ammo, campus carry is introduced in Nevada, and possible forest preserve carry in Illinois.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.2.mp3

News Segment 2: National concealed carry reciprocity is introduced, New Hampshire Senate approves permitless carry, Sen, Rubio introduces bill to permanently de-fund operation choke point, New Jersey resident charged with felony for possession of 300 year old flintlock.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.3.mp3

News Segment 3: Sandy Hook Commission issues it’s report, deadly shootings in Denmark, and our gun quote.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.4.mp3

DGU segment: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.5.mp3

Listener feedback and show close segment: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/311.6.mp3

Intro

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday February 15th 2015. I’m Paul Lathrop

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about a proposed BATFE ruling that would outlaw some popular ammunition

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a campus carry bill advancing in Nevada.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s,  snowy roads helped apprehend a pair of home invaders

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty we also have 2 voice mails to share with you..

Rachel: so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on!

Paul:  Because episode 311 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

Paul- Back at ABN for the first time in quite a while. No longer doing the Baltimore run. Bought my wife a really cool Valentines day gift.

 

John – My new Kydex holster has arrived for my Ruger LC9s and it fits the pistol very well. I’ve worn it around the house and you forget that you are carrying. Other than that, no new gun news. We are still on grandbaby watch and it could be this week as the official due date is the 19th.

 

Gary – My Glock 30 is now my official back up gun, it fed 3 boxes of Ranger T without a jam. I’m still using my Colt 1911 because my FFL who is also a leathersmith is supposed to be making a double, double stack mag pouch for the Para, which is also feeding the Ranger T without a hitch. I had a couple of conversations with former students about disparity of force and AOJ, please take a moment and review these with your instructors. We actually have it easier to appear at house of rep committee meetings here in Illinois than in Texas. Rachel had to drive to the meeting, I filed my appearance and opinion from my home office.

 

Rachel- Thursday’s Senate hearing on gun bills was my big activity this week – I did a special segment with Paul on that that’s being included in Episode 310. Friday and Saturday was follow-up with my activists and some recovery downtime with a friend. And trying to catch up after several near all-nighters this past week.

 

Rob- Shot IDPA yesterday.  I learned a lot by slowing down a little.

I’ll miss testimony for a local gun range before the city council because of the Wednesday podcast.

 

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

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Seg 2- News

 

BATFE released a proposed ruling this week that would reclassify one of the most common AR-15 5.56 rounds as “armor piercing”. Specifically, they said the exemption from the pistol armor piercing list of the SS109/M855 bullet would be rescinded. This is the bullet that is commonly found in surplus 5.56 or .223 ammo. BATFE says the steel and lead core combo makes it armor piercing. They also say this bullet has no “sporting purpose”. People have until March 16th to submit comments on this proposal.

 

John – Comment – I see this as a parting gift to Attorney General Eric Holder who said his one failure was the failure to pass gun control.

Rob- I remember a poster by Oleg Volk.  There is no “right size” when it comes to gun grabbers and firearms.  Guns are always too large or too small, too accurate or too inaccurate, too cheap or too expensive, too loud or too quiet.   There is no right size when it comes to firearms, and the 223 is no exception.

Where is the outrage that my police are carrying ammunition that is so lethal it will penetrate body armor?

 

A campus carry bill was introduced into the Nevada House by Rep. Michelle Fiore (R-Las Vegas). The bill would allow those with carry permits to legally carry in buildings on Nevada public higher education campuses, to carry in the unsecured areas of airports, and to carry in public buildings with some exceptions. Rep. Fiore calls this bill “Amanda’s Law” after Amanda Collins. With Republicans in charge of both houses of the Nevada legislature, Fiore is confident that this third attempt to pass a campus carry bill will be successful.

 

Comment – Rob and I saw Amanda Collins discuss her rape in the film “Safe Havens”. It was very powerful stuff.

Rob Comment- The presidents of the Florida state universities opposed concealed carry on campus in Florida.  To our Florida listeners, you trusted these university officials to educate your children.

Rachel comment- the Austin police chief doesn’t think campus carry is the best option. He prefers to offer victim counseling after rapes rahter than give victims a fighting chance.

 

-When Illinois passed its concealed carry law two years ago, one of the places that was made off-limits for legal carry were the Cook County forest preserves. Now two Downtstate legislators have introduced a bill to allow legal carry in forest preserves. Rep. Kyle McCarter of Lebanon said, “Allowing those who the state has trained to carry a gun will only provide safety.” The Chicago Sun-Times in an editorial takes issue with that and tries to bolster their argument with a spurious report from the Violence Policy Center that “counted” 722 deaths nationwide since 2007 by concealed carry holders.

 

Rob comment- do I have to pay taxes for a park or place where my rights are denied.

 

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-Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) and Rep. Marlin Stutzman (R-IN) have introduced bills Thursday in their respective houses of Congress entitled, “The Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act of 2015.” This bill would treat state-issued concealed-carry permits like drivers’ licenses, allowing law-abiding citizens with concealed carry privileges to concealed-carry in any other states that also permit it by law. The bill has bipartisan sponsorship and has the strong support of the NRA. Stutzman said, ““Americans enjoy a natural right to self-defense preserved by the Second Amendment. This federally guaranteed liberty should not be forfeited when state lines are crossed.”

 

Rob- I couldn’t find the house version of the bill yet.  See PopVox.com  https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/114/hr923

https://www.popvox.com/bills/us/114/s498

John – HR 923.

 

The New Hampshire State Senate voted 14-9 to approve constitutional carry of concealed firearms in the state. The bill was sponsored by Sen. Majority Leader Jeb Bradley. As Sen. Sharon Carson said, “This bill recognizes that the simple act of putting on a coat should not require a permit.” New Hampshire already recognizes unlicensed open carry. Senate Democrats argued that the bill will increase the number of deadly arguments. The bill now goes to the New Hampshire House for their approval.

 

Comment – I guess the New Hampshire Senate Democrats have never heard of an armed society being a polite society.

 

Rachel comment- So New Hampshire’s Senate thinks this is fine, but Texas’ Lt. Gov. Patrick doesn’t think it should even get a hearing. What’s wrong with this picture?

 

-We’ve reported on Operation Choke Point in past episodes. On Thursday, Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL) introduced a bill that would “defund, in perpetuity, “Operation Choke Point or any other program designed to discourage the provision or continuation of credit or the processing of payments by financial institutions for dealers and manufacturers of firearms and ammunition.“ The bill is called “Firearms Manufacturers and Dealers Protection Act of 2015.  Sen. Rubio’s bill would complement legislation introduced earlier in the month by Rep. Blaine Luetkmeyer of Missouri.

 

-We have reported many times on how New Jersey law has ensnared innocent victims. We have interviewed both Brian Aitken and Steffon Josey-Davis on this show. The latest victim is retired school teacher Van Gilder. Mr. Gilder was arrested for the mere possession of an unloaded 300-year-old “Queen Anne” single-shot flintlock. He has been charged with a Second Degree Felony of Criminal Possession of a Handgun which can carry a 10-year sentence. Mr. Gilder has been an antiques collector for years. Under Federal law, this single-shot flintlock pistol can be bought and sold by anyone. No license is required, it can be shipped through the mails, etc. A legal defense fund has been set up for Mr. Gilder and we would encourage you to be generous.

 

Rob- Can he register this firearm?

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-In Connecticut, the 16-member Sandy Hook Advisory Commission issued its report with a number of recommendations.  Their want to prohibit the sale and possession of any firearm capable of holding 10 rounds or more.  There was no provision to grandfather in existing firearms.  They recommended that any shell casing for ammunition sold in Connecticut have a unique serial number etched on it, and that each casing should be registered and traced.  Also, all firearms would be registered and ammunition buyers would be restricted to only the caliber chambered for their licensed guns. Those who have firearms licenses, stresses the report, should at every renewal pass a test of firearms handling capacity as well as an understanding of state and local laws.

 

Rob- That sounds like a semi-auto ban.. and a bolt action ban, since most could accept a mag over 19 rounds.  That means they would need a department in Connecticut like their DMV where a firearms owner would be tested every year.

 

-In Denmark, only licensed gun owners may possess firearm or ammunition. License applicants must establish what the authorities consider a “genuine” reason to possess a firearm. Those laws didn’t prevent deadly shootings in Denmark Saturday. A man killed a victim and injured three police officers at a free speech debate in a cafe. The gunman then proceeded to the city’s main synagogue, where he killed a Jewish man and wounded two police officers. Police tracked down the gunman and shot him Sunday morning. Investigators believe the attacks may have been inspired by the Paris shootings.

 

Gun Quotes- I strongly believe that the Second Amendment creates an individual right to possess and use guns for purposes of both hunting and self-defense. That quote was by democrat legal scholar -Cass Sunstein.

Gary- I have a problem with this quote.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.

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Segment 4 DGUs

 

A Kalamazoo County, Michigan man awoke around 11pm Saturday night to loud knocking on his door. As he went to check it out, one of the two men outside broke a window on the side of his house.  The homeowner shot the man as the home invader entered the house and his accomplice took off. Police arrested the accomplice nearby and took the wounded home invader to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

 

A San Antonio, Texas homeowner was uninjured this morning after exchanging gunfire with a home invader. The home invader, however, was shot in the stomach and was taken to San Antonio Military Medical Center. The Bexar County Sheriff’s Department said the home invasion suspect will be charged with burglary when he recovers. They said they don’t expect any charges to be filed against the homeowner.

 

-Normally, one does not think of heavy snow as being of an assist to law enforcement. However, a combination of an armed homeowner and deep snow allowed Springfield, Massachusetts police quickly to arrest brothers Jordan and Jovan Eady. They had broken into a house and threatened “to light the house up” last Saturday night. The homeowner was armed with a legally registered firearm and he shot Jordan in the arm. The Eady brothers were captured by Springfield Police after they ran from the home. The reason they were running and not driving is that their 2014 Chrysler 200 had gotten stuck in a snowbank. Police investigators said the homeowner had acted in self-defense of himself and his family and no charges would be brought against him. A followup story said both the brothers Eady were charged with burglary and malicious damage and released on bail. Their attorney said it was all a mistake and they had been drinking.

 

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Segment 5 Show close

 

Listener Voice Mail from Greg in Bremmerton

Listener voice mail from Greg in Cincinatti.

 

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John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

We talk a lot about gun rights and politics on this show. Rarely do we address the history of older firearms. Some of these guns are absolute works of art. The late gun writer and firearms innovator Elmer Keith had an incredible collection of firearms. I did a story on Wednesday about the auction of his collection. Elmer passed away in 2003 and his family is now auctioning the collection. The post has many pictures of these guns.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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