Episode 351 – Hillary vs the NRA

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Special Segment: Obama’s Executive Orders:

Interview Segment 1: Brandon Combs

Interview Segment 2: John Willett

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

 

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to The Polite Society podcast  sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday, October 18th, 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we interview John Willett about his New Jersey SAFE conference.  

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Candidate Hillary Clinton proudly claiming the NRA and gun owners as her enemy.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s, a good samaritan used his licensed firearm to stop a carjacker who was kidnapping kids in the back seat of his stolen car.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 351 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

 

John – No gun shows or shooting this week. However, I did do a bit of blogging including an important post entitled Every Picture Tells a Story, Part Three. More on this post at the show close segment of the show.

 

We are spending the weekend with our granddaughter and her parents. Olivia has a lot of theme-related outfits like UNC Tar Heels and the Carolina Panthers. It got me to thinking I need to find a NRA tee shirt for a toddler. Just imagine how a picture of her in a NRA shirt would drive the anti-rights crowd mad!

 

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On a more serious note, I had my hearing checked this week. I have moderate 4000 hertz notch hearing loss. It along with my tinnitus can be traced to shooting in my younger years without hearing protection. My audiologist made the recommendation to use both foam plugs and muffs when shooting indoors. Given her boyfriend shoots 3-gun, I think she may know what she is talking about. I would urge all of our listeners – and especially the younger ones – to really make an effort to protect your hearing. Hearing loss is irreversible. This is just another reason that suppressors need to come off the NFA list. It is a safety issue.

 

Rob- Mailed in the last paperwork for my CCW.  More dry practice.  I’m excited to go to Florida next weekend.

 

Paul- Not a lot of news as I unexpectedly got a student on Tuesday and that turned a 70 hour work week into a 100 plus hour work week.

Training – We just booked a training class for next year and I am HUGELY excited about this. May 12th through the 15th of 2016 will be the Polite Society Podcast MAG 40 in Sioux Falls, SD

Break

Seg 2- News

 

Hillary Declares the NRA an Enemy

In the first Democrat debate, Hillary Clinton proudly claimed the NRA as her enemy. In the following days she continued her demonization of the organization, equating it with terrorists, communists and Iranians. She  promoted the Australian Model of gun control, deliberately hiding it’s jack-booted door-to-door confiscation of guns. Clinton has announced her gun control plan, promising that when she’s elected, she’ll ban some guns and impose restrictive gun control laws on all others, even without Congress.

 

Clinton has chosen to make an enemy of the hundred million law-abiding gun owners; making them the problem instead of the drug gangs, criminals and the insane who are the real source of crime. Constitutional protections apparently mean little to her and she has openly challenged the Supreme Court’s pro-rights gun decisions. Her election would mean a direct assault on the rights of free men and women.

As such, we’re proud to be Hillary’s Enemy.

 

RM – If the NRA was truly the same as terrorist, communists and Iranians, It would probably be a good thing, as the ‘Boma administration and Clinton have a long history of rolling over for them.

 

John – I would also note that Hillary, in a New Hampshire town hall, advocated using a “cash for clunkers” approach to achieve her Australian style gun control. OK, just whose money is going to pay for that? Hers or ours?

 

CNN Money says NRA funded by small donors

If you watched the democrat debates then you heard the chant that the NRA is funded by the gun manufacturers.  Journalists at CNN Money did their homework and looked at the public record.  None of the donations to the National Rifle Association Institute for Legislative action come from corporate interests.  You and  I gave 85 million dollars over the last ten years.  The largest donation was 50 thousand dollars.  We gave 22 million dollars during the 2014 election.  As one NRA official said ‘politicians don’t listen to the NRA, but they listen to the NRA’s 5 million members.’  There is a reason.  The NRA has been effective in getting its members to donate their money, their time for campaigns, and in getting their members to the polls on election day.

 

John – Hillary just gave the NRA a gift. It will make fund raising that much easier.

Rob – It is all good publicity.

 

Harvard Study: More Guns – Less Crime
Always good to have some facts to offset the emotional drivel of the politicians. Especially when they come from the Dear Leader’s own school.  A Harvard University study thoroughly refutes the anti’s long held belief that more guns means more crime.

 

According to the news site Belief-net, a study in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy said the more guns a nation has, the less criminal activity they find.  The study collected data from the Centers for Disease Control, the U.S. National Academy of Sciences and the United Nations International Study on Firearms Regulation.


Now, where have we heard those same results before?  Could it be…. John Lott?  

John – the anti’s are also trying to inflate the number of deaths.

Gary –

Rob- that is why I compared the rate of violence, not simply violence with a handgun.

 

Gun Violence Decreasing – Guns Sales Increasing
Refuting the scare-mongering of Clinton and the Obama administration, National Shooting Sports Foundation reported that, “Historical data from FBI Uniform Crime Reports show significant decreases in both the number of annual violent crimes committed as well as the violent crime rate in the United States.” The figures show a 35.2 percent decline in violent crimes over the past 20 years and a 16.2 percent decline over the past 10 years. The continuing decrease in violent crime comes at a time when firearms ownership has increased significantly across America, a fact that utterly contradicts the mantra of anti-gun groups that more guns equals more crime.

 

With the Left’s demonization of the firearm, it is no small coincidence that last month’s adjusted National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) figure of just over a million inquiries is the highest September on record for the 17-year-old system, with an increase of 4.7 percent compared to the September 2014 NSSF-adjusted NICS figure. Obama continues his record as the best gun salesman ever.

 

For our new listeners, the National Instant Criminal Background Check System is run by the FBI.  The system reports to gun dealers and local law enforcement if a gun buyer is a prohibited person.

 

Gary-

 

BREAK

 

The Creepy Ballerina Blames Deadliest September in 13 Years On Police Being Afraid to do Their Jobs

Years of Progressive policies have come home to the Windy City with a spike in murders.  You heard that right; rabidly anti-gun Chicago is bucking the nationwide trend of diminishing murder rates. Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel blames Chicago’s deadliest September in 13 years on police being afraid to do their jobs.  Rahm said “We have allowed our police department to get fetal and it is having direct consequence.  (The police) have pulled back from the ability to interdict … they don’t want to be a news story themselves, they don’t want their career ended early, and it’s having an impact (on crime).”

The so-called Ferguson Effect is causing police officers to fear for their freedom, families and careers if they aggressively go after criminals of a protected class. They can see that their police commanders and political leaders will happily throw them to the wolves if their actions excite the professional activists or sensation-hungry media.  As a result, the street officers are deciding to play it safe, get their 20 years in, and retire. Criminals on the street are reacting to the withdrawal of enforcement.

If you demonize and demoralize the cops, and disarm the populace, what did the politicians think would happen?  Congratulations Chicago — and Baltimore, Washington DC, St Louis, Frisco, LA… all cities with radically increased murders rates — you are reaping what you’ve sown.

 

Rob- That is sad news.  The people being hurt the most are poor minorities.  I’m sorry, but we tried to tell you that elections have consequences.

 

John – Rob you are absolutely correct. When I was looking at the CDC mortality statistics, a combination of African Americans and Latinos comprised the majority of deaths.

 

John W. – Camen NJ and what is the real cost of this policy in terms of residents lives.

Rob – We have 15 black people killed every day by black people.. and the news media ignores it as if black lives don’t matter.

 

77,000 population of camden

 

Texas Police Offering Free CCW Course
Not all police are retreating from the criminals. The police department in Aransas Pass, Texas is offering free concealed handgun license classes. Police Chief Eric Blanchard says he wants people in the community to be educated when it comes to guns. “The bad guys don’t care about the rules. If they want to be armed they are going to be armed. If we can offset those numbers with good people being armed out there. I think the odds are in favor of the good people winning when a disastrous lunatic decides to strike.” The first three classes are full. But they plan to offer more classes in the coming months.

 

Yah gotta love Texas.

 

Rob- I do.  Many sheriffs across the country do this.

 

John – I just wish more police ranges were available to the general public.

Gary –

Indiana Sheriff Vows to Ignore Obama’s Executive Actions on Gun Control
Not all police are retreating from the politicians. Elkhart County Indiana Sheriff Brad Rogers appeared on a local PBS panel discussion about gun rights and gun control in the wake of recent college shootings. He went on to say that he wouldn’t obey orders from on high that went against his constitutional oath.  Quote “We’ve always had this conversation that we need more reasonable gun control put in place.  But we (already) have what is reasonable, in my opinion, and in fact it’s probably overdone. I think people are tired of being victims and a firearm is a great equalizer. Whether it’s a female, whether it’s an 80-year-old, the guy who’s kicking in your front door after he knocked and you don’t answer — that is a very scary event.   You can call 911, but I’m telling you, we’re not gonna make it in time to neutralize the threat … the people of this nation [have got] to take responsibility for their own safety.”

Another guest, a local radio host, said gun registration is a “feel-good” measure that actually “works” only when the government moves against the people. He added that following England’s gun restrictions that there is now a “knife culture” there. That’s absurd, It’s not the tool, it’s the bad guy.

Sounds like Indiana has a hot-spot of common sense in media and law enforcement.    

 

Constitutional Carry Takes Effect in Maine

We have some great news this week as Maine became a Constitutional Carry state.  According to a poll in the Bangor Daily News, a clear majority like the idea. Maine citizens have flocked to gun stores in order to exercise their Constitutionally guaranteed right. Blood is not running in the streets, despite the usual hyperbolic claims of the anti-rights groups. that the sky is falling.  

 

Maine State Senator Erik Brakey sponsored the new law.  He said, “A criminal is not going to get a permit. He’s going to break the law. The same goes for gun-free zones. Criminals are not going to obey these zones.” Likewise, firearm instructor Adam Foster added the perspective of someone who lived under a similar law in Alaska.  He said, “The world continued to turn round and round. Nothing changed, really. There were no wild, crazy gunfights in the street.”

 

Well, heck, we could have told them that. And we will continue to.

 

Six states down. Only 44 left to go.

 

John – if you are not a prohibited person and are 21, you can carry concealed or openly. If you are a vet, then it is 18 or older.

 

Princeton Turns to Firearm to Protect Students and Staff
In our last story, there’s been a sudden, unexpected rush to sanity at an unlikely place: the ivy covered walls of Princeton.  

The Daily Princetonian reports that Princeton Department of Public Safety officers will have access to rifles that can be used in the event that a gunman tries to take innocent life or simply brandishes a firearm. DPS Executive Director Paul Ominsky said, “The national best practices for responding to an active shooter have evolved. It is now a law enforcement best practice to get an armed officer to the scene as quickly as possible to save lives.” He added, “Response time matters. Even a few minutes can make a difference to save a life.”

Well, heck, we could have told them that. And it wouldn’t take a half million dollar education either. See, a professional, degreed educator CAN learn. But can Harvard and Yale?    

 

Gary –

Rob- Blue polyester uniforms don’t bring you superpowers?

 

Gun Quotes

We chose this week’s gun quotes in honor of the New Jersey SAFE conference and the Gun Rights Policy Conference.

 

This quote is from Ayn Rand.  She said, There is another kind of social pyramid. The genius who fights ‘every form of tyranny over the mind of man’ is fighting a battle for which lesser men do not have the strength, but on which their freedom, their dignity, and their integrity depend. It is the pyramid of moral endurance. Close quote.

Let me add that I am more than willing to be a step in this pyramid

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest John Willett

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Segment 3 Interviews

John Willett- NJ second amendment firearms education conference

John, you also produce the bear arms podcast.

 

Speakers

Exhibitors

Special guests (celebrities or politicians)

Who spoke?

Who heard them?

What are the attendees now motivated to do?

 

Rob MorseObama’s  Executive Orders – or why we don’t trust the government with our guns

 

Rob- One of our listeners contacted me with a criticism.  On this podcast we speak as if our listeners knew all the previous news.  That means a new listener is missing part of the story.  Thank you, Alana, for that comment.  Here is a story that brings new listeners up to speed since the murders at Sandyhook, Connecticut two years ago.

 

Many gun owners are antagonistic towards the Obama Administration.  There is a reason for that hostile attitude today.  The Obama administration lied to us again and again.  At one point, Obama said he was not here to take our guns.  Later, he said we should turn them all in.  The president has also weaponized every aspect of government to suit his political ends.  From the Internal Revenue Service, to the Veterans Administration and the Environmental Protection Agency, each agency maximizes the political donations they receive and ignores the people’s business.

 

After the public murder at a community college in Oregon, President Obama again said he’d issue executive orders to regulate firearms.  I read his 23 point plan, and it is important to read his orders to see how they will be abused by a corrupt Chicago politician.

Gary-  This doesn’t sound too bad.  Obama said he’d require federal agencies to make relevant data available to the federal background check system.  Isn’t that a good thing to stop criminals from getting guns?

Rob- This sounds good, and it might be good under an honest president.  First, criminals don’t buy guns at gun stores, so they never bother with background checks.  All our recent murderers either passed their background checks or murdered to get their guns.

 

As to the national gun owner database, Unfortunately, there is insufficient fact checking before the feds put garbage into their national database.  We’ve all read about people who have a similar name or address who were denied a gun or the ability to get on an airplane.   Making bigger mistakes faster is not progress.

 

Suppose someone with a name similar to yours tries to buy a gun.  There is a terrible bias to use military tactics on gun owners when a phone call would do.  

 

Here is an example.  Suppose your brother is a military veteran.  He listed your house as his address when he was deployed. Years later he lives somewhere else and is being treated by the Veterans administration   Now the cough medicine your brother took is sufficient cause for you to get a SWAT team kicking down your door to disarm you “for your own safety”.  After all, we wouldn’t want a gun owner taking dangerous drugs.. even though your brother is now thousands of miles away.

 

Those are not accidental faults; those are key features of the Obama plan.  The political goal of this administration is to promote their political ends, not to help those who are struggling with addiction or depression.  They want to punish gun ownership and make guns unattractive to the general public.  A federal database is only another political tool to that end.

 

Gary- OK, so how about this one.  Obama wants to remove legal barriers in Obama Care that may prevent states from making information available to the background check system.  Wouldn’t that help find crazy people and keep them from getting guns?

Rob- Good question, Gary.  This proposal means the private information you gave to your doctor isn’t private any longer.  How about the night you stayed awake worrying about your nephew.  That can now be seen as a disqualifying sign of mental illness.  Don’t talk about the headache your spouse had last week.  Those can be considered critical indicators that when taken together allow the government to seize your firearms.  The government now pays your doctor, so the doctor you visit actually works for them, not for you.  Find a private doctor and pay him yourself if you want advice on any mental health issues.

Gary- Obama says he wants to improve incentives for states to share information with the background check system.  What could be wrong with that?

Rob- Let me translate that bit of bureaucrat speak for you.  “Improve incentives” means withhold federal money unless the states do what the Obama’s donors want done.  In our case, states will fork over information about gun owners or the feds will cut state funding.  

 

I’ve seen Chicago politics, and believe me that a loyal socialist bureaucrat can always find a paperwork violation.

Gary- Obama asked the Attorney General to review categories of individuals prohibited from having a gun to make sure dangerous people are not slipping through the cracks.  Don’t we want to keep guns away from danger people?

Rob- Remember, Gary, that the Obama administration called Christians, veterans, and the Tea Party the greatest threat to America.  The southern poverty law center called my wife a terrorist.  

 

Meanwhile, Obama invited thousands of Syrian fighters and thousands of Mexican drug gangs across the US border.  We’ve already seen military veterans and social security recipients stripped of their ability to own firearms because they have their monthly checks sent to a third-party payee.  According to the Obama Administration, anyone who isn’t a dues paying card carrying SEIU member is a threat.

Gary- Obama also proposed new rules to give law enforcement the ability to run a full background check on an individual before returning a seized gun.

Rob- That sounds so harmless.. and it so so easy to abuse.  First, the government comes into possession of firearms for many reasons.  It might simply mean you had a gun in your car when you were the innocent victim in a traffic accident.  You might be a passenger in a car that was stopped, and now the government takes your firearm “for officer safety” and without probable cause.

 

You would think that running a background check simply means determining that a gun owner is not a criminal.  If you think that, then you date yourself to an earlier time when we had an honest government.  Today it means searching your medical records to see if anyone in your family ever asked for a sleeping pill.  You can have your firearms seized if your niece, who now stays with you, ever saw a mental-health counselor or had a restraining order when she was getting a divorce.  You can be disarmed if you had your dying parents move in with you while they were receiving pain medication.

Once the government has your guns, then they will determine when they are done with their investigation.  If that takes 15 years or 20 years, well that works for them.

Gary- Obama wants the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms to issue guidelines on background checks for private sellers.  That seems OK to me.  I want everyone to have a background check.

Rob- Of course you and I want to keep guns away from violent criminals.  At the same time, we don’t want to turn honest gun buyers, gun sellers and Federal Firearms License holders into criminals through bureaucratic regulations.  There are some 23 thousand firearms laws, and government lawyers have all the time in the world to prosecute you for each regulation.  Some states already require that every firearm transfer go through a gun dealer and receive approval by the Federal Bureau of Investigation.  Failure to comply can be a felony.

 

Even handing your gun to your hunting partner as you cross a fence line is now illegal in some states.  Think about background checks for a minute.  If I sell a gun to someone with a concealed carry license, then I already know the person has passed a background checks.

 

No, this proposal is not about criminals getting guns.  I’ll say it again; criminals never use background checks.  This executive order paves the way for a national database of all firearms owners.

Gary- Obama asked for a campaign to promote safe and responsible gun ownership.

Gary, it sounds like Obama is going to promote your concealed carry class.  I guarantee he is not  going to fund the NRA to run more firearms safety campaigns.  This order allows Obama to give federal dollars to his anti-gun lobbyists.  You and I now get to fund their propaganda with taxpayer dollars.  Of course they anti-rights groups can and will endorse candidates before the election.  That is what community organizers from Chicago do with their phone and their pen.

Gary- President Obama asked the Department of Justice to report on lost and stolen guns.  That sounds safe enough.

Rob- The Department of Justice is headed by US Attorney General Loretta Lynch.  She is a noted anti-gun bigot.  An anti-gun bigot would write a report about the so called lost and stolen guns that criminals use.  She would say we need “smart guns”.  Those are guns that become inoperative if they are stolen from the rightful user, just like smart phones.  Of course, the Attorney General would exempt police, military, and the security details that protect politicians.

 

PAUL-  That’s because no one wants to trust their life to a gun that can be hacked by a chinese teenager.

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Gary- Obama asked the Consumer Product Safety Commission to review safety standards for gun locks and gun safes.  Don’t we want top quality locks and safes?

Rob- Paul, Gary and John, when was the last time you had your gun-safe tested and re-certified by a licensed gun safe inspector?

 

John- There are no licensed gun safe inspectors!

 

Rob- Exactly.  So the Consumer Products Safety Commission can now report you as a danger to the public because you’re using an unregulated gun safe.  They will issue a report saying firearms must be locked and inaccessible.. preferable buried under several feet of reinforced concrete.  And the rest of us need our safes inspected every 90 days.. or they come take our firearms because we were negligent.  I trust this president as far as I can throw my gun safe.

 

skip Gary-  You have to like this one, Rob.  Obama wants to provide law enforcement, first responders, and school officials with proper training for active shooter situations.

Rob- Gary, the NRA is not going to write that report.  It’s Obama who will tell us how to react when the next murderer comes to a “gun free” school.  Unfortunately, we need a plan that goes beyond run, cower and die.

 

The NRA and other organizations have begged schools to plan and train for active shooters.   When such laws were proposed in congress two years ago, the bills were buried by democrat legislators!  The Obama Administration will produce a propaganda piece so that urban school boards can safely continuing their policy of “gun free school zones”.  Me, I’d prosecute every school administrators for criminal negligence after each and every violent injury in their school.

Gary-  I’ve one more question.  President Obama wants the Surgeon General to research the causes and prevention of gun violence.  That sounds good to me.

Rob- Gary, this might sound like research into public health to treat the mentally ill.  Instead, Obama wants to spin up his propaganda machine.  The anti-gun Surgeon General is named Vivek Murthy.  He will issue propaganda from the Centers for Disease Control.  He will report that all firearms in civilian hands are a risk to public health and safety.  The Surgeon General can define anyone who wants to defend themselves as mentally ill.  The Surgeon General can also fund the Schools of Public Health that anti-gun billionaire Michael Bloomberg has already set up.  Those universities will produce more government propaganda using taxpayer dollars.

 

Gary- You’re saying our own government will be twisted against us no matter what the letter of the law says.

Gary, that is it exactly. I judge a politician by his results, not his words. If you have not been listening to the podcast for a while, then you might have missed our recent political history.  I am critical of this president for turning government against his political enemies.. and the american people.  The Obama administration does anything it pleases.  There is no law to constrain them as long as they have 40 loyal Democrats in the Senate and cowardly Republicans leading them.  No one’s rights are secure.. particularly firearms owners.

Paul- We will be back with our stories of defensive gun use after this break.

BREAK

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Please try not to say “And”, “Ahh”, “So” and “Ummm”.

Concealed Carrier Stops Kidnapping Attempt
A Pennsylvania man used his concealed firearm to stop an attempted car-jacking and child kidnapping near Plymouth last Monday. A criminal first assaulted a local woman outside a gas station and tried to steal her car. Frustrated, the man ran into the road to steal another car. The car he stopped had two children secured in the back seat. The woman driver began yelling for help as she was pulled from the wheel and thrown to the ground.

It was at that point a local man drew his concealed handgun and intervened in the desperate situation. “I have a license to carry this gun, don’t move!” Rob Ragukus held the man at gunpoint until police arrived. No shots were fired.

The owner of the gas station said that Ragukus was “The best man. He saved all of us.”  The CCW holder said “I had to do what I had to do. It’s something everyone needs to do, step up and take back their town.”

Congratulations, Mr Ragukus. Well done, well done indeed.  

Rape Victim Snatches Assailant’s Gun and Shoots Him in the Face
A woman found herself kidnapped and raped at gunpoint late in a Springfield, Ohio night. The rapist held her body, but could not constrain her will to live. When she saw an opportunity, she took it – and the gun – and shot her attacker in the face – twice.

It only took the jury four hours to convict the one-eyed rapist.

In the situation the woman was in, she could have been easily been further injured or killed after the rape. In that desperate situation, she acted, and used the best tool at hand to even the terrible odds. Our congratulations to the heroic, resourceful woman.  

Two Thugs Try To Rob Armed Citizen Walking Down Street
Here’s a damn good example of why we need to bear arms when outside the home. A Houston area man was taking a late night stroll in his neighborhood when he was jumped by two robbers. The man used his firearm to defend his life, killing one attacker and wounding the second.  

A neighbor related; “The shots sounded like they were fired by somebody who knew what they were doing; very distinct and deliberate,” said Marcel Smith, who lives feet away from the shooting, “From my balcony, I could hear the deputies and the robbery victim talking about it all.”

No arrests have been made so far. The Harris County Sheriff’s Office has not said if the shooting was justified.

Woman Who Shot at Fleeing Shoplifter is Charged
It is a terrible thing when someone uses their CCW firearm. The only thing worse would be the injury or death of an innocent. Laws require that the weapon must only be used when serious harm or death is imminent. A Detroit-area woman ignored what she was taught in her CCW course and injected herself into a shoplifting situation where no lives were at risk.

The CCW holder saw a man with a shopping cart running from Home Depot security. The man jumped into a waiting SUV with about a thousand dollars of merchandise. The woman drew her CCW and fired at the departing vehicle. The SUV made good it’s escape,  limping away with a flat tire. Two Flint men, ages 52 and 46, were later arrested for the shoplifting. Thankfully, no one was injured.   

Detroit police investigated and determined that the woman was not being threatened when she fired the shots. She has now been charged with a misdemeanor count of reckless use, handling or discharge of a firearm. The woman’s lawyer said she made “a spilt-second decision to take action, trying to help.” We disagree; she should have already long known this was NOT a time to employ her gun.  

A Detroit Free Press columnist wrote that the woman was only was “…only doing what she’d been told, time and again, from people like National Rifle Association chief Wayne LaPierre to presidential candidate Ben Carson.” This is, of course, is a damn lie. Shame on the columnist for writing such libel and the Detroit rag for printing the lie.  But print it they did – harming the CCW movement that we support.

The woman’s CCW class was required to teach her when a CCW firearm can be lawfully used. Since no lives were being threatened, she should have kept the gun in the holster and acted as a good witness for the police. Because of the critical nature of what we do, all CCW carriers NEED additional training, recurring training, and ongoing practice. DON’T be this woman.  

Rob-

Waffle House concealed carry permit holder Shoots an armed robbery suspect
There are a lot of places we’d rather be than in a Waffle House at O’dark thirty. However, the employees and customers of one hash house are glad a Concealed Carrier was amongst them one morning. “He saved us, that’s what he did.” according to one employee.

Charleston, South Carolina police received a 5 AM report of an armed robbery and shots fired at the local Waffle House.  Police arrived to find the suspect was already on the ground with a bullet wound.  The suspect was taken to a hospital in critical condition.

An investigating officer said, “It says something about firearms, for good people with firearms being in the right hands.” The division manager for the restaurant chain, said this was the first incident he could recall since it opened a year ago. “No one was hurt, which is the best part,” he said. “No one was injured — besides the suspect.”

The suspect later died at the hospital. The Coroner’s Office later identified him as 19-year-old Joshua Jermaine Davis. Davis was thought to be living with a friend in the downtown area.

The customer had a valid CCW permit. Police said they are not pressing any charges at this time. Despite this situation’s outcome, Waffle House will maintain their No Carry policy in all of their restaurants. I guess we will be finding better places to be at 5 AM in the morning.

 

Stay safe, stay strong, stay well.  CF

John – I agree that is sad.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

On your last podcast you talked about point shooting and referred to training from Bob and Ben? In San Antonio?  Who are they and how can I get training from them.  I did do a quick search but came up empty.  Thank you for your time and the podcast.  Just started listening and enjoy it.

 

John Harris.

 

Hi, John.

We referred to Bob Mayne and Ben Branham.

Bob is at http://www.handgunworld.com/

Ben is at http://modernselfprotection.com/

I plan to take their classes soon also.

 

Gary –

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I wrote a post called Please Regulate Guns Like Cars, and another one called Why we Don’t Trust Government With Our Guns.  They are at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog.  That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  

 

Paul – I want to talk about the Please Regulate Guns Like Cars article. Rob, you have caused quite a stir with this post. I posted it on my personal Facebook page and if the results there are any indication a lot of people are talking about this.  I consider myself a gun rights absolutist. I believe that there should be no regulations on any type of weaponry at all period. I don’t think that you wrote this as a advocacy piece saying that this is what we need to do, however if somehow everything in your article were to come to be the law in all of the US, as the anti rights crowd likes to say when they propose changes in gun laws. “It’s not going to solve all of the problems but it’s a good start”

 

Rob-

 

John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

To commemorate the state of Maine going constitutional carry, I released Every Picture Tells a Story, Part Three. With the help of Rob Vance, the blog post graphically shows the growth of shall-issue and constitutional carry since 1986. It updates a post we did in 2011. At that time, approximately 2/3rds of the US population was living in states that had either shall-issue or constitutional carry. With Maine going constitutional carry and Illinois and Wisconsin adopting shall-issue CCW, this has now grown to almost 3/4ths of the US population.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Gary – Shoulder holsters

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank John Willet for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  

 

Rob- I’ll be at the Everglades Glock Range Event in Naples Florida on Saturday October 24th from 9am-4pm.  That is at the Louland gun club.

 

I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

Episode 338 – Lots of California News

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest Anna Maria Hoffman- Counter Cultured

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, July 5th, 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with Anna Maria Hoffman from counter cultured.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about former California Sen. Leland Yee’s guilty plea to his arms smuggling charges.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a former CNN anchor that is happy they don’t follow the CNN rhetoric on guns.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and we’ll hear great news about Kansas that makes all of us Texans a bit jealous.  So climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 338 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Cleaned some guns.  Dry practice.  Bill Frady commented on one of my articles on his Lock and Load Radio program.

 

John – I’m baaack! What I thought was going to be a one week absence from the show turned into two weeks due to my mother-in-law suffering a fractured pelvis. She is on the mend and is in an acute rehab facility.

 

While I was gone I got to meet Charlie Foxtrot in person. We had a great time over lunch. I couldn’t thank him enough for all the help he has been to us on the podcast. As an aside – and Rob will be interested in this – Charlie has a really nice classic open cockpit sailboat.

 

Doc Wesson mentioned me on the last Gun Nation podcast. We are trying to get Grant Cunningham and Paul Carlson to a class in NC.

 

In gun related stuff, I presented my nephew with a Ruger 10/22 in stainless for his combined 18th birthday/HS graduation gift. The rifle was one that my late father-in-law had set aside for him. I just added a nice red dot sight on it. Grant was very excited to get it. I’ve also started to re-read John Ross’ classic book about the gun culture entitled Unintended Consequences.

 

Gary- Had a strange exception from FedEx on some ammo LuckyGunner.com was helpful with information about that. Helped some former students with their IL FCCL applications. Cleaning guns I have to put another 100 rounds through with no malfunctions before I switch over to the Para.

 

Rachel- Last weekend I instructed a ladies-only rifle marksmanship course at Battle Road. We set this up for some folks from A Girl & A Gun. They’re the best. I always love hanging out with those ladies. I knew it was going to be a great weekend when I was standing at the gate in the pouring rain to welcome them on the first morning, and they all came rolling in in their trucks and jeeps with big smiles on their faces, ready to work rain or shine. And we had a good deal of both! We instructors noted several differences with this line: lots of yoga mats, not so many shooting mats; almost all centerfires (mostly AR-15’s), carts for gear, and of course a different dynamic that comes with the female-only courses. Can’t wait to have the Girl & A Gun ladies out again for another shoot.

 

Meanwhile, we’re gearing up for more Battle Road courses this fall. There’s our Zombie Run on October 10, which is already around half-way full. Besides that, we’re looking at a precision rifle course to learn the math and science behind those sniper shots, some intro to firearms and self defense courses geared toward women, CHL classes, and as always, our normal tactical pistol and shotgun classes. I’d like to remind our listeners that we offer specialized courses tailored to your group, and we also love doing private courses. Let us know how we can help you out.

 

I’m also preparing for the 2-week girls’ camp that I lead, Academy 31. It is August 2-14 this year and I will be teaching firearms to all the girls who come.

 

Paul-  I need to apologize to the listeners. I did not finish editing the show Sunday night before I HAD to get to bed, so took the laptop with me to go to work on Monday. I figured that I would get some time monday or Tuesday to finish editing the show and get it uploaded, yeah right. I did not finish it until Wednesday evening, and what was supposed to be a mid week show did not release until after I got home on Saturday.

 

I had a GREAT time shooting with friends on Saturday morning. We had 5 new shooters! Well almost, 2 of the 5 had shot before, but not for more than 5 years and so we counted them in as among the newbies. 3 of them actually took their first handgun shots yesterday. This has brought about a bit of a dilemma for me.

 

I was fortunate enough to be considered among the most trained handgun shooters in our informal gathering so it fell on to me to do a safety briefing and help the newer shooters out.  I absolutely fell in love with helping them.

 

One thing that I have always asserted is that I am NOT a firearms instructor. I got involved with handgun shooting to protect myself and my family and started the podcast because I thought that I could help make a difference in the direction that our nation was headed. I don’t like to follow. One reason that it took over a year and a half for us to start doing DGU stories is that I didn’t want to do the same thing that The Gun Dudes and Cam Edwards did on their shows.  In the same vein a  LOT of podcast hosts are trainers, and again I have never wanted to follow the pack.

 

Now having said all that I am actually considering going through the steps to become an instructor. I truly loved helping out the new shooters take their first steps and would like to be able to do more of it.

 

I got a chance to put a few magazines worth of ammo through the H&K VP9 while I was at the range. Talk about a SWEET gun! I do not like the mag release on it, but that is about the only thing that I can say negative about the gun. On slow fire at 15 feet the group that I fired could have been covered by a half dollar coin. 15 feet rapid fire could have been covered by a dollar bill, one that had been cut in half. I don’t know how but H&K has defied the laws of physics, they made a lightweight full size double stack 9mm that has next to no recoil and feels great in your hand.

 

Kathy Jackson class coming to Sioux Falls on August 15th and 16th. We are extending the free handgun retention class for paid class members until July 10th. If you email Susan@politicsandguns.com to register and pay for your class by July 10th you get the 4 hour handgun retention class for free. this class is a $50 value.

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Seg 2- News

 

Anti-gun Cali Senator Yee Guilty of Corruption

California Senator Leland Yee has long been a thorn in the side of many of the state’s citizens.  He was a San Francisco hard leftist, unrestrained free-spender, and a virulent anti-gunner even by California’s wild standards. He was given an A+ rating by the Brady Bunch and named to their Gun Violence Prevention Honor Roll. So, it was a bit of a surprise when the Feds arrested the powerful, well-connected politician for corruption and gun-running.

 

In an 88 page indictment, Yee was accused of providing automatic weapons and rocket propelled grenades to California’s extremely violent Chinese drug gangs. He was also accused of money laundering, murder-for-hire, and drug distribution.

This week, Yee and several confederates pled guilty to a single count of racketeering conspiracy. He could face a quarter million dollar fine and twenty years in prison. HIs primary criminal partner, tong leader Raymond “Shrimp Boy” Chow, was not part of the plea deal. Also not included were the gun-running, money laundering, murder-for-hire, and drug distribution charges. There’s hope that these charges are being deferred to assure Yee’s cooperation in a widening investigation of California’s endemic political corruption. It is also possible that these charges will be dismissed in a dysfunctional legal system.

We can only wish Leland Yee a long and healthy life behind the bars of a Federal maximum security prison.  With lots of his political friends for company.

 

Woman Killed by Paroled Illegal Alien With Multiple Felonies, Multiple Deportations

Kathryn Steinle, 32, was shot to death at a popular San Francisco tourist spot, a victim of political correctness as surely as if the elites themselves pulled the trigger. The man charged with her murder is a hardened thug, an illegal alien deported five times, and a criminal with seven felony convictions to his record, four of them involving narcotics. He was on parole for yet another crime. Francisco Sanchez, 45, is a reprehensible man, an evil man. Yet, he was allowed to traverse the border and country seemingly at will, stay here illegally, and largely avoid any significant punishment for his crimes. The first day of July, a man that should have been behind bars or a thousand miles away, took a gun he wasn’t allowed to have as a felon, in a city that is largely a gun-free zone, and went to a tourist attraction looking for someone to kill. There, without a word, he shot a random stranger through the heart.

Sanchez’ latest outrage started in March, when he was turned over to San Francisco police on an outstanding drug warrant by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement. ICE officials issued a detainer at that time, requesting notification prior to his release so arrangements could be made to take custody. However, ICE knew that San Francisco had declared itself a “sanctuary city” and that the request would not be honored. ICE effectively, cynically washed their hands of him. Sanchez was also in violation of his ongoing Texas parole. His legal status, his prior convictions, his parole violations didn’t matter: San Francisco released him on an unsuspecting public.

A few weeks later, Katy Steinle, a beautiful, vibrant young woman lay dying in a pool of her own blood, begging her distraught father to help her.

 

There can be no better – or worse – reason why we fight for our Second Amendment Rights. No greater proof of why we must be our own first responders. We. Are. On. Our. Own. We cannot afford to do otherwise. Not when our own governments favor criminals over the law abiding. Not when feel-good sentiments trump reason and justice. Not when our governments seek to remove our most effective means of self-defense against the evil they nurture.

 

TV News Crews Robbed at Gunpoint While Filming Story of San Francisco Pier Shooting

Further illustrating just how well San Francisco’s draconian anti-gun policies are working; several TV news crews were robbed at gunpoint while filming the story of Kathryn Steinle’s shooting death at the San Francisco Embarcadero. Three males in dark clothing, one with dreadlocks, participated in the early morning attack. They drove a late-model BMW with aftermarket rims and no license plates. The armed attack resulted in several injuries and a significant loss of TV station property. This seem completely implausible, as San Francisco is almost entirely a gun-free zone.

 

It’s hard, okay – impossible, not to indulge in a bit of schadenfreude.  The city’s media have long been eager supporters of Frisco’s many harsh and intrusive anti-gun laws. Law-abiding citizens find it difficult to legally possess a firearm for protection even within their own homes. The lawless find no impediment, as the TV news crews can testify. Our glee is somewhat tempered, as this event will undoubtedly lead to still more ineffective anti-gun proposals to limit the rights of the law-abiding. But, that’s life in Baghdad by the Bay.

 

Kansas is Now a Constitutional Carry State

As of July 1st, Kansas is a Constitutional Carry state! The recent NRA backed bill provided for permitless concealed carry became effective the first day of July. Kansas already enjoyed open carry.

Congratulations, Jayhawkers! You’ve made us proud!

 

Rachel: OK, NRA. You backed permitless carry for Kansas? What about Texas?

 

Break!

One in Three ‘Muricans Owns Guns

Columbia University recently published a study on gun ownership. Interestingly, the study was performed by an assistant professor of of epidemiology. That’s the science that studies the patterns, causes, and effects of disease conditions. Could it be… biased? Yet, the study found mostly positive results for gun owners. The study holds that one out of three Americans owns a gun. Ownership by state ranges from Alaska’s high of 61.7 percent to the lows of Delaware’s 5.2 percent. Most gun owners were white males 55 and above (guilty!) and the majority were married (Guilty and sentenced to life.)

 

Anti-gunners have claimed for years that rising gun sales, soaring concealed carry applications, and record breaking background check figures all indicate that gun ownership was shrinking. The  2014 General Social Survey study claimed that approximately 1 in 5 Americans owned a gun and that the number was diminishing.

 

None of the studies seem to take into account that Americans often refuse to admit to owning a gun when asked by an unrecognized voice on the telephone (Oh so guilty!)

 

‘Muricans Don’t Want Gun Control Discussed in 2016 Elections

A Suffolk University/USA TODAY survey finds that Americans do not want gun control to be a significant portion of the 2016 election discussions. The survey was performed just a week after the attack on the Charleston Emanuel AME church. 52 to 43% do not want further gun control discussions. Similarly, 56 to 40% do not believe expanded background checks would reduce mass shootings.

The Suffolk study comes months after the PEW study that found the majority of Americans supported gun rights rather than more gun control: 52 to 46%. The Suffolk study supports the PEW study and further confounds the challenges by Bloomberg and the Huffington Post.

You know, it’s a bit disconcerting, although nice, to be in the majority for a change.  ;^)’

 

Chris P. Cream Christie Creates Panel to Delay Changes to NJ Gun Laws

Showing none of the aggressive, decisive behavior he’s known for around the buffet table, New Jersey Governor Chris Christie has created a panel to recommend possible changes to New Jersey gun laws. This is a rather transparent way of avoiding any of the substantive changes he could make to New Jersey’s abusive and unConstitutional gun laws. Christie is obviously feeling a little pressure in his ample hindquarters from the Carol Bowne killing. Her tragic death points a finger at New Jersey’s deliberate mishandling of the CCW permit process.

 

Show friend Frank Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society believes that Christie could write an executive order accepting self-defense as a justifiable need to carry arms. Christie could also address the unlawful delays in answering the request for a CCW.

Christie’s use of the advisory panel is just a way of providing cover while he attempts to position himself as a conservative presidential candidate. It is disingenuous in the extreme, disrespectful of the memory of Carol Bowne, and smacks of contempt for lawful gun owners and the Second Amendment. It will be a cold day in the fat farm before many gun owners vote for Christie. Choke on your overfed ambitions, big guy.

 

What to Do When Your Doctor Asks About Your Guns
Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership  (DR GO) is out with recommendations of what to do when your doctor asks about your guns. Surprisingly, they don’t recommend lying like a rug, but instead favor a graduated response ranging from a polite refusal to answer the questions to submitting a complaint to the doctor’s licensing board. It’s all very interesting reading, especially when the Feds have access to everyone’s medical records. The link can be found in the show notes.

 

damn lies and statistics

The tyrant Joseph Stalin famously said “Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.”  The same can be said of statistics when the United States murder rate is compared to other countries.

 

For example, England and Wales do not count murders in their statistic unless there’s a conviction. The U.S. could cut its murder statistics in half simply by adopting the same practice.  That shows that country to country comparisons are hardly comparing apples with apples.  What these statistics won’t show us is that the trend in homicide with a firearm have been going down in the US as gun ownership increased, and going up in Britain as they banned civilian ownership of handguns.  Gun-related crime has doubled in England and Wales in the past ten years.  While the armed homicide rate in the US dropped by 40 percent over the last 25 years.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/07/bogus_gun_control_successes_uk_edition.html

 

Gun Quotes for the 5th of July

Rachel- Posterity! You will never know, how much it cost the present Generation, to preserve your Freedom! I hope you will make a good Use of it. If you do not, I shall repent in Heaven, that I ever took half the Pains to preserve it. John Adams, second president of these United States.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Anna Maria Hoffman- Counter Cultured Video- Millennials Defend the Second Amendment

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

CNN Anchor Saved By The Gun

Thank you to listener Anthony for sending this in.

It’s fortunate that two former CNN On-Air personalities didn’t believe the anti-gun rhetoric spouted by their past employer. CNN anchor Lynne Russell and her correspondent husband Chuck de Caro were robbed late one night in an Albuquerque motel. Their assailant was a convicted criminal wanted for violating his Memphis parole.

 

Russell had left the hotel room to get something from her car. Tomorio Walton surprised Russell with a gun to the head and forced her back into the room, throwing her on the bed and demanding her valuables. de Caro emerged naked and dripping from the shower into that desperate scene. Russell relates; “The man was just wild. He was pointing the gun, and the way that he was acting, it was as if he’d done it before. I suddenly realized that it wouldn’t bother him at all to pull the trigger.” Fortunately, both Russell and de Capo were concealed carry permit holders and had their firearms in the motel room.
For a time, it looked like the thief would be content with de Caro’s briefcase. But he turned around and opened fire. “My husband returned fire. And he’s a better shot.” said Russell. Police reported that multiple rounds were fired by each man. de Caro was hit twice in the abdomen and once in the leg. However, he was indeed the better shot, as the assailant stopped his attack and staggered into the parking lot, where he died. de Caro was taken to an area hospital and is expected to make a complete recovery.

Many media outlets reported that Russell and de Caro had CCW permits. Although, the ever-partisan New York Times hid the the fact of their CCW permits in the story’s last paragraph. CNN conveniently forgot to mention that their former employees were legally carrying firearms. However, we will commend Russell and de Caro for recognizing that the Cable New Network’s anti-gun agitprop was and is the stuff of nonsense. Believing that idiocy can get you killed — on the street — or in a Motel 6.

 

One Dead, One Wounded, Five Saved in Las Vegas

Using the ol’ “My car is broken, can I use your phone?” ploy, a woman tricked a child into opening the front door of a Las Vegas home.  Her armed accomplice rushed past Tiffany Carter, AKA Tarnesha Harris, who had forced the door and grabbed the child to silence him. Armed with a stolen pistol, Willie M. Pro ran down a hallway and kicked open the door of a bedroom.

That’s when their carefully planned home invasion was literally blown off the rails.

Behind Door Number One was Jesus Sanchez. Jesus was armed. Jesus! (You shouldn’t include the exclamation. It was too tempting for an itinerant wordsmith. ;^)’  ) Pro staggered back into the hallway, wounded. However, he still had his handgun, and with the child nearby and in danger, Sanchez fired another telling shot. The badly wounded suspect dropped his pistol, turned and ran toward his getaway vehicle.

 

The 12-year-old managed to get Harris’ hands from his mouth and scream for help. A  mother’s instinct drove Sofia Velado from her bedroom. The obsessively-focused Harris ran into the room to steal Velado’s purse. Once back in the hallway, Harris struggled with Velador, forcing several shots by Sanchez. Finally breaking off her attack, the wounded Harris crawled to the car and escaped. But not before Sanchez fired a shot from an AK-47 at the fleeing felons.

Police arrived at the home several minutes later to find Sanchez outside, standing guard with his AK-47. Fortunately, he immediately followed the cops’ instructions and dropped the rifle. While evaluating the confusing scene, police received a call from a hospital about two people with multiple gunshot wounds. Willie M. Pro died from his wounds. Harris was flown to a trauma center in critical condition.

 

Tarnesha Harris will likely survive her gunshots. She has been booked for conspiracy, attempted murder, home invasion and robbery, all with a deadly weapon. She and her deceased accomplice were found to possess extensive criminal records, although relatively little punishment. Thanks to the actions of Jesus, the Velador family survived their hellish home-invasion.

There’s a lot to be learned from this chaotic self-defense situation: Never allow a door to be opened for a stranger. Have a weapon at the ready. Criminals may stick to their goals even when the stuffing has hit the fan. Pistols are not guaranteed stoppers. When you can, go for the long-gun. Follow the cops’ commands immediately. And when the criminals break off their attack and are no longer a threat, for dog’s sake, let them go. All that being said, we unreservedly commend Sanchez for his actions which saved the four other members of his family.

 

Man Shoots Grandma and Pays for It

Degarrian Santonia Coleman, 31, was driving with his grandmother in Charlotte, North Carolina Tuesday morning when he got into an argument with her. The argument became heated and Coleman shot his grandmother in the leg causing her to crash her car into a telephone pole. Hearing the crash, Steve Sellers, a former Mecklenburg County prosecutor, came out to investigate.

 

He saw Coleman still holding the gun on his grandmother. Sellers told Coleman to drop the firearm and when Coleman didn’t, shot him. Both Coleman and his grandmother were taken to Carolinas Medical Center where Coleman later died. His grandmother is expected to recover.

 

While the case is being reviewed by the Mecklenburg County District Attorney’s Office, North Carolina law allows you to intervene if someone’s life is being threatened.

 

Rob- Pro-tip- Don’t shoot your driver.

 

Alabama Home Invasion Goes Bad….For The Home Invaders

Two armed home invaders kicked in the door of a Tuscaloosa, Alabama apartment on Monday afternoon. This awoke the tenant who was sleeping in his second-floor apartment. Fortunately, he was able to arm himself with a handgun. The would-be victim shot one of the alleged burglars, and both suspects ran out of the apartment and jumped over the second floor railing trying to flee the scene.

 

Courtney Campbell, 24, died of his wounds in the parking lot of the complex. His accomplice, Marcus McCall, 25, broke several bones in his jump but was still able to drive away. The tenant immediately called police with a description of McCall and the getaway car. They stopped him less than a mile away. He was booked after treatment for his injuries at a local hospital.

 

McCall is charged with 1st Degree Burglary as well as Felony Murder. The murder charge comes because his accomplice died in the commission of the crime.

 

Police do not intend to charge the tenant. Alabama’s “stand your ground” law allows people to use deadly force against a burglar who is about to use deadly physical force. The head of the Tuscaloosa Homicide Unit said that both Campbell and McCall were armed and had covered their faces with a bandanna and a hoodie. He also also said the tenant appears to have known one of the home invaders.

 

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Last week I wrote an article about the fantasy of gun control.  I said gun control advocates were crazy.  This week I wrote about the reality of gun control and said gun control advocates were liars.  The article is titled “Is That Common Sense Gun Control.. or More Spin?”  I also reposted articles by Kurt Hofmann and Russell Smith.  I recommend them.

My next article is about this golden age of self-defense instruction, and I’d like to thank Kathy Jackson for the sanity check, and thank Mark Richardson at the NRA for the statistics.  You can find my articles at Ammoland, at Clash Daily, and on my blog at Slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog, No Lawyer – Only Guns and Money you would like to talk about?

 

We have talked about the efforts to recall NJ Senate President Stephen Sweeney a number of times. The effort caught the attention of the newspapers in New Jersey. As with most stories relating to gun control, they had to have a comment from the gun prohibitionists for “balance”. I think the guy that they quoted, Bryan Miller of Ceasefire NJ, must have had the taste of sour grapes in his mouth. He said that having 200 people at the NJ2AS event wasn’t “an impressive number”. Actually, I think he was jealous because the gun grabbers never get that many people at their events even when they pay them and bus them in.

 

You can read this and other posts at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Anna Maria Hoffman for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?

 

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

 

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

 

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

 

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

 

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

 

Episode 267 – Michael Cargill, Brandon Combs and Frank Fiamingo

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, September 6th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we will talk with Michael Cargill who is running for office in Austin, Texas
John: I’m John Richardson, and we have Brandon Combs back with us to talk about new firearms laws.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly gun news and self- defense stories
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 267 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul- The truck died.. again! This time it is the AC unit. Dry fire practice. I have a sidewinder pro holster on the way.

Rob-  I’ve been busy. Business cards, ammo, dry practice, steel shoot. Wrote an article.  John, one of our listeners sent me a link to open source software that records the shot pattern from your SIRT pistol.  http://phrack.github.io/ShootOFF/  Listener John in Texas, please take note.  Oh, I edited Wednesday’s show on my day off.

John – Not much in the way of gun stuff to report since Wednesday. I did order a Kydex holster to go with the SIRT pistol. It’s hard to practice your draw without a holster unless, of course, you want to end up like Plaxico Burris.

Rob- you don’t have an M&P?

Rachel- I taught my brother how to take apart, clean, and reassemble my AR and XD. That’s the beauty of homeschooling. 🙂 It gave me some great ideas for a tips and tricks segment on children and firearms…stay tuned for that in the near future. I’ve also been making plans for a Battle Road defensive handgun class with some friends of mine. You know you have great friends when that’s their idea of hanging out and celebrating everyone being in town together.

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John-Joseph Palumbo, co-owner of the Albion Gun Shop, released information today that New York State Police officers from the Narcotics Enforcement Unit demanded the shop’s release of all customers who purchased New York SAFE Act compliant rifles under threat of a warrantless SWAT Team Raid. Since the passing of the New York Secure Ammunition and Firearms Enforcement (S.A.F.E.) Act, the New York State Troopers Narcotics Enforcement Unit has been delegated to enforce the S.A.F.E. Act and to handle all matters pertaining to the S.A.F.E. Act. This unit visited Mr. Palumbo on several occasions, disrupting his business, to see that Mr. Palumbo is compliant with the S.A.F.E. act provisions for licensed gun shops owners. “The New York State Police told me that my guns were NY S.A.F.E. compliant. The chief of the Medina police told me my rifles were NY S.A.F.E. compliant and in fact purchased one of the guns from my shop.” James D. Tresmond, attorney for the Albion Gun Shop, raised the possibility of entrapment. “My client disclosed to me that he would not have sold these rifles to the general public had they not been approved by the New York Division of State Police”

Rachel Comment- That makes sense that Governor Cuomo got the drug cops to enforce the gun laws.  The drug cops are usually the most corrupt unit on the police force.

Rob- Could dirty cops tie up an honest store in court and drive them out of business.

Paul -We brought you a number of pro-self-defense news articles we found in the mainstream press.  Perhaps this next news item explains why the press has changed their attitude.  In San Francisco, a TV reporter was robbed at gunpoint while he was sitting inside his Television Station news van.  The thieves took his wallet, computers and television equipment.  All this happened in “gun free” San Francisco.

Rob Comment-  Go ahead, mister news announcer.  Tell me the police will protect me.  I dare you.

Rachel- A firearms manufacturer in Oregon was suddenly blocked from processing credit card transactions.  The company that Calico Light Weapons Systems used to process the transactions said the company was involved in illegal activities.  The manufacturer denied this, and the bank would not specify what activities were illegal.  The manufacturer believes it is the latest victim of the Obama administration’s “Operation Choke Point.”  Operation Choke Point lets the Departments of Justice and Treasury block banks from servicing selected businesses.  Calico Systems recovered by partnering with McMillan Merchant Solutions.  McMillan is based in Arizona and was started by members of a firearm manufacturing company.  McMillan simply decided that it won’t be cowed by the government’s strong-arm tactics.

Paul Comment-  This sounds like more lies, denials and delays from the obama administration.

John Comment-  And the Obama administration didn’t run guns to Mexico either.. just ask the mainstream media.

Rob- comments- Calico sells springs, screws and small gun parts.  They were accused of selling firearms over the internet.

Rob- The Point Marion Police Department in Fayette County closed its doors after settling lawsuits against two police officers.  The city manager of this Pennsylvania town said “We had to lay off all the officers due to the fact that we do not have police liability insurance.”  The insurance carrier dropped the department after paying two settlements against the department’s only two police officers.  One of the officers was fired from two other nearby Police Departments.  This time the officer was sued was by the ACLU for arresting a citizen who was recording the officer on his cell phone.  The ACLU won.  Insurance premiums went up ten fold.  The city can’t afford the insurance and closed their police department.  The city is now patrolled by state police.

John- The Second Amendment Foundation and the NRA’s Civil Rights Legal Defense Fund are teaming up to sue the Commonwealth of Northern Marianas Islands in US District Court over their ban on the possession and use of handguns. The Commonwealth of Northern Marianas Islands is a US territory. As SAF head Alan Gottlieb notes, ““The Second Amendment does not just apply to the continental United States and Hawaii. It also applies to territories under U.S. jurisdiction. The issue is a fundamental civil right, not only to possess a handgun, but also to use firearms for self-defense purposes, which is currently banned in the Northern Marianas.” The Northern Marianas are located north and east of the Philippines in the Pacific Ocean and includes the island of Saipan.

Rachel Comment – It is good to see the NRA and SAF working together on this issue.
Rob- comment- Guam issues concealed carry permits.

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Paul- Speaking of the Second Amendment Foundation..  The organization Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership will officially become part of SAF.  JPFO operations will move from Wisconsin to Washington.  The new board of directors at JPFO has not been made public.

Rachel-  School started, and some things changed this fall in Idaho.  That is because Idaho became the seventh state to allow concealed carry on campus.  Oregon, Utah, Colorado, Kansas, Mississippi and Wisconsin also allow students to conceal weapons on campus.  Campus carry in Idaho requires an enhanced permit, and some 3000 permits have already been issued.  Some of the permits were issued to Idaho college students.

Rob- Comment- I’m know these laws drive some of the college administrators crazy.

John- Comment- The college administrators are crazy to oppose campus carry.  I’ve had soldiers and veterans as students in college courses.  We’d be crazy to disarm them.  These experienced adults have seen more stress and demonstrated more self-control than ANY university administrator.

Rachel- Comment- Soldiers and veterans absolutely have the right to carry on campus…along with the rest of us.

Rob- Most of us are familiar with the gun safety education for elementary school children called the Eddie Eagle program.  It is once again part of the curriculum in some Jacksonville, Florida schools.  The school allows parents to opt out of the gun safety program.  The only reason this made the news is that a parent complained.  He said he would have opted his child out of the program if he’d known it was developed by the NRA.  The program encourages children to stop when they see a gun, not to touch it, to leave the area and tell an adult right away.  School officials said the district hopes utilizing the program will help prevent tragedies that start by children playing with guns.

Paul Comment- All publicity is good publicity.. as long as they spell the name right.

Rachel Comment- again, the beauty of homeschooling: you can throw in gun safety or even shooting classes without going through any government red tape or dealing with school regulations..

John- Billionaire Mayor Michael Bloomberg knows how to pick his allies.  We criticize the mayor for his organization Mayors Against Illegal Guns.  That is because so many of his mayors have been arrested for corruption.  Once you’ll take money from Michael Bloomberg, you’ll take money from anybody.  Now we see a similar thing happen to the Bloomberg group, Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America.  Erika Quinn, the Oklahoma leader of Demanding Moms,  has a restraining order against her.  The restraining order bars Ms Quinn from being within 300 yards of her children and prohibits her from having firearms.  That is why it is hard for Erika Quinn to explain a picture of her holding a shotgun on her twitter page.

Rachel- comment- Gun control means training regularly.  Gun sense means taking a real class in armed self-defense.  THAT is how real moms keep their children safe.
Rob- comment  Does Twitter have throw-back thursday?

Paul- Does it feel like there are one set for rules for government officials and another set of rules for ordinary citizens?  A judge from the Fourth District Court of Appeals said that judges in the district may enter courthouses armed and may carry concealed.  The rest of us have to be fingerprinted.  The rest of us have to undergo a background check.  The rest of us have to demonstrate training and proficiency.  The rest of us are disarmed in most government buildings.

Rachel Comment- Not if you’re a judge.
Rob Comment- I read where two Califonia judges were disciplined for having sex in their chambers.
John Comment- I wonder if the judge can enter a post office while armed?

Rachel- Shaneen Allen was arrested for bringing a gun into New Jersey.  Also in New Jersey, Bonnie Oliver Allamong was prosecuted for bringing her firearm to her sisters house to protect her sister from domestic abuse.  Both are victims of New Jersey prosecutors.  Now lawyers have asked to look at the prosecution record to see if there is a consistent pattern of abusive prosecution.  Atlantic County prosecutor Jim McClain did not hand over the documents as requested by defense attorneys.

John Comment- That says something when attorneys question the impartiality of the prosecution.
Paul Comment- We have a legal system, not a justice system.

Rob- Many gun owners across the country are subject to background checks as they buy firearms and get licenses to carry concealed.  The background check is the holy grail of gun-safety for gun prohibitionists.  Recent news revealed that a terrorists fighting for ISIS passed a background check and worked as a baggage handler at the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport.  The MInneapolis Metropolitan Airports Commission handles security clearances and background checks for the airport.  The terrorist was recently killed while fighting in Syria.

Rachel Comment- well that makes me feel safer.
John Comment- at least he passed his background check.

John – Gun Quotes
I do not carry a pistol so I can impose my will on someone else. I carry a pistol so someone else cannot impose their will on me! – Lynn Givens of Rangemaster.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Michael Cargill 6:30 CDT owns Central Texas Gun Works, host of the Come And Talk It radio show, is also running for Austin City Council

Traffic management motivated me to run for Austin City Council.

How do you feel you’ve already impacted the Austin gun culture?  How could you continue to do so as Austin City Council member?  We live in Austin, and we have to both vote and talk to our elected representatives.  Your vote makes a difference.  Go to city council meetings and go to the state capital.  I have to have input from the citizens of Austin so I can advance their interests.  There are a lot of us who do our own research.  I can cover their back and they need to cover mine.

Frank Fiamingo 6:30 CDT
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Brandon Combs 7 pm CDT
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You must vote, but voting is not enough.
Paying taxes and complaining won’t defend your right of self-defense.
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Segment 4 DGUs

John- The Ottumwa [IA] Police Department was dispatched to a Burglary in Progress at approximately 3:21 p.m., Tuesday. The home’s owner called police after he found a man in his basement.  The homeowner went downstairs looking for his cat.  He found a partially disrobed intruder instead.  The homeowner called police and grabbed his handgun.  42 year old Billy Ray Snow was arrested at the scene and charged with trespassing.

Rob Comment- and intoxication, I’ll bet.

Paul- A mob of teens in Milwaukee tried to rob a group of tavern employees as they were walking to their cars after closing time Monday night. Fortunately, one of the employees was legally carrying concealed and fought back. One of the attackers, a 15 y.o. with gang ties and a long criminal history including armed robbery, was killed. Police took the rest of the teen attackers into custody. Milwaukee Police Lt. Mark Stanmeyer said the group was believed to have been responsible for dozens of robberies over the last three days. No charges have been brought against the man who defended the group though he was originally taken into police custody.

Rob- that must be why Chicago politicians want to disarm everyone who goes into a bar.

Rachel- Barbara Haley called 911 after 24-year-old Jody Kudlacz (CUD lez)  allegedly broke into her Omaha, Nebraska home around 3 a.m. She was awakened by noises and found the door to her attached garage open. She grabbed her handgun, a .45 Sig Sauer P220, and followed her pitbull to her home office where they found Kudlacz hiding in a closet. He tried to get out of the situation by saying Mrs. Haley knew him. She responded, “ I said I don’t know you, shut up and quit talking to me.” She noted to the media that she wanted to control the situation. Kudlacz had been in the process of stacking stolen clothes, gift cards, and jewelry before he was found. He was charged with burglary.

Paul Comment – Interestingly, the location is just 4 blocks from the University of Nebraska – Omaha campus. And yet authorities want to keep students and staff at risk in a gun-free zone.

Rob- Joseph Cihak (See hack) awoke at 4:30am on Wednesday morning to use the bathroom when he heard noises in his Westwood Terrace North home in St. Petersburg. Police said Cihak, who armed himself, walked into his living room to find Bryan Remley, 25, going through Cihak’s belongings. Cihak said he was armed because his home had been broken into a week earlier.  The intruder started running towards the homeowner who fired two shots but missed. The homeowner ran to get a backup gun and came back to find Remley in the kitchen unable to get out. He held him there until police responded to the 911 call placed by Mrs. Cihak. While waiting, Remley told the homeowner he’d come back and mow his yard if he’d just let him go. Remley was charged with armed residential burglary and a probation violation. Mr & Mrs Cihak said they have a plan to be armed whenever they get up in the middle of the night.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

John- Ken from Arizona sent us this email

I thought this story might interest you. It encompasses registration, bans, storage, and government craziness.
Ken S.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/hundreds-of-guns-stolen-across-nsw-as-thieves-target-private-homes-and-firearms-charges-rise/story-fni0cx12-1227048229707
Commentary : It’s a story about theft of registered firearms in New South Wales Australia. It seems that criminals are still finding a way to become armed. Color me shocked.

Paul- Chris emailed in this link to a story and says that this is why he carries a gun.

http://madworldnews.com/white-missouri-couple-black-teens/

A white Missouri couple was brutally attacked outside of a Springfield nightclub by a mob of young black men, and now police are asking for the public’s help in identifying the attackers.

According to OzarksFirst, the incident happened on Aug. 22 outside of the Outland Ballroom. The victims sustained serious injuries after being assaulted by multiple black males.

Meredith Cole said she was outside of the club where her boyfriend Alex is a DJ, when she was approached by the group, who attempted to sexually assault her. Cole said she went back inside to tell her boyfriend what happened, and when they went back out to identify her assailants they were viciously attacked by the group.

KY3 reports that both of the victims had to seek treatment at the hospital for their injuries, which included a fractured ankle for Cole.

The story includes a video of the attack. You can see the video through the link in the show notes.

(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I have a post where I contrast the fate of citizens in states that support the right of self-defense and in the states that deny that right.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 266 – Laura Carno and Assemblyman Brian Jones

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2014
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll have interviews with Laura Carno and California Assemblyman Brian Jones
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news, so climb aboard
Rachel strap in
Rob: and hang on! Episode 266 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- Dry practice, buying ammunition and writing. The article I wrote about my “may issue” sheriff was picked up by Ammoland. From there it was picked up by NRA news. Scheduling some training.

Rachel- Not much news, just work and homeschooling. Enjoyed our trip to the beach last weekend and watched a great football game in which my brother’s team won.

John – My Next Level Training SIRT pistol arrived yesterday. And I love it! I have been doing some dry fire practice and trying out all the features of it.

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Rachel -John Katso was a New York prosecutor.  He prosecuted organized crime.  He prosecuted street gangs in Syracuse, and put 130 gang members in jail.  He and his family were threatened.  Katso asked for and received permission to carry a firearm.  His car was robbed in the church parking lot while Mr. Katso and his family were inside.  His firearm was taken from the car.  A few weeks later, the thieves used the stolen firearm in a strongarm robbery of an illegal gambling house.  All that happened 14 years ago.  This November, John Katso is running for congress.  Katso’s opponent says he negligently gave firearms to criminals.  Here are points to ponder;

One- Take your gun with you when you go to church.
Two- Read political comments in New York media very carefully.

John Comment- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms loses about 15 firearms a year.

Rob- A police officer in New York city stopped at a Bronx bodega on his way to work at the 44th precinct.  Three thugs beat him and grabbed his firearm.  Fortunately, they did not kill the officer.  Backup officers caught the thugs and recovered the pistol.. this time.

John Comment- The 44th precinct is where John Cardillo was a patrolman.  We’ve had John on the show.
Rob Comment- I’ve heard an officer say he can never lose a fight.  The officer can run away, but if he loses a fight then the odds are the thugs will kill him with his own gun.
Rachel Comment- Here is an important safety tip- don’t fight a police officer.

John- Welcome back from your long Labor Day weekend.  In New York City, 15 people were shot on Saturday and Sunday, and another 10 were shot on Labor Day.  4 of them died from the gunshots.  In Chicago, 33 people were shot and three of them died over the three day weekend.

Rob Comment- Ouch.  Those gun free zones aren’t working, are they!

Rachel- This phrase has become a joke, “Trust me.  I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”  The US military was going to help local law enforcement by giving them surplus military weapons.  They received M-4’s, M-14s and M-16s.  They received shotguns, handguns and armored vehicles.  As you’d expect, the local police departments are not as careful with other people’s property as they might be with their own equipment.  184 state and local police departments have been suspended from program and the entire program is under review.  Weapons are missing from police arsenals.. as well as two humvees.

In Mississippi, the Meridian Police Department was suspended from the program after their inventory showed four missing M14s.  In neighboring Arkansas, the Lawrence County Sheriff’s Department was suspended after it lost an M14 assault rifle and a night vision scope that was “damaged and destroyed” without prior approval.  The Huntington Beach, California Police Department was suspended from the program after losing an M16 assault rifle.  Quote

“The loss was discovered during an internal audit, and an investigation was inconclusive as to how that occurred.”

John Comment- I have a curio and relics license, and I don’t think the lost weapons were transferred with a 4473.
Rachel Comment- No, probably not.

Rob – This law enforcement officer knows his citizens.  Maryland politics are dominated by Baltimore and the DC suburbs.  Rural Maryland is another country entirely.  Wicomico [wy-KAHM-ih-koh] County Sheriff Mike Lewis reminded the citizens of his county that he will not violate the Constitution.  “I made a vow and a commitment.  As long as I am sheriff of this county, I will not allow the federal government to come in here and strip my citizens of the right to bear arms.”  Sheriff Lewis is mindful of keeping firearms out of the hands of dangerous felons, but also explained, “We do not need to strip law abiding citizens of their Second Amendment right to bear arms. That I get upset over. I really do.  I can tell you this.  If they attempt to do that, it will be an all-out civil war. No question about it.”

Rachel Comment- I bet he is part of the Constitutional Sheriff’s and Peace officers association.
rob Commnet- I wish he were my Sheriff.
John Comment- Yeah, but then you’d have to live in Maryland.
Rob Comment- Good point.

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John- Welcome back. The California legislature did not close business until 5am Saturday morning.  There were several proposed bills that attacked the right of armed self-defense.  Some of them died in the legislature, and some of them are sitting on the Governor’s desk waiting for his signature.  The Firearms Policy Coalition wants to flood California Governor Jerry Brown’s office with e-mails and faxes.  Give them some clicks at VetoGunControl.com  These bills establish firearms restraining orders, mandate firearms registration, and mandate a gun owner re-transfer his own firearms each time he leaves or enters the state.

Rachel Comment- Let’s give California gun owners some help.

Rob – Here is some more news from the land of the fruits and nuts.   A junior high school vice principal in California was arrested after he didn’t break the law.  Bakersfield police took 51 year old Kent Williams, into custody sometime after 9 am.  Williams is Vice Principal of Tevis Junior High School.  Assistant Superintendent Gerrie Kincaid said she immediately notified police when a district administrator called her with an anonymous tip that a staff member had a gun on campus.

Vice Principal Williams cooperated with the school resource officer and said his licensed  firearm was secured in his office.  It took the Bakersfield police several hours to conclude that no laws had been broken because the Vice Principal holds a valid Kern County concealed weapons permit that allows him to have a firearm on a school campus.  The Vice Principal remains on paid administrative leave from the Panama-Buena Vista Union School District for violating district policy by bringing the firearm on campus before he received permission from Superintendent Gerrie Kincaid.  Superintendent Kincaid said “We’re a gun-free zone.”

Rachel Comment- Evidently they are far from a gun free zone.
John Comment- A gun free fantasy zone maybe, but not a gun free zone.
Rachel Comment- Does an “anonymous tip” sound suspect to you too?

Rachel- Here’s some breaking news from Texas. Today, Michael Keoughan stood trial regarding his arrest in Andrews, TX last January when he was openly carrying a rifle. Michael is a part of Come And Take It Texas but was doing a solo walk in a new location as part of a brand-new CATI chapter. CATI-TX has stood with him through his legal harassment this year, and today he was vindicated as the jury returned the verdict: Not Guilty.

Rob Comment-  It is legal if we all do it but not legal if you open carry alone?

John – The Washington Times described the booming business from pro-gun restaurants.  There are some 57 thousand businesses that welcome the armed citizen.  The Cajun Experience in Leesburg, Virginia, has Second Amendment Wednesdays, where patrons are encouraged to either go concealed carry or open carry.  Shiloh Brew & Chew in Maryville, Tennessee gained national media attention by putting a sign in the window of her restaurant welcoming firearm owners with permits.  The Chicken Express in Bossier City, Louisiana, gave a free combo meal to patrons who showed up with a concealed carry license.   John Kavanaugh owns Kavanaugh’s Esquire Club in Madison, Wisconsin decided not to disarm his honest patrons with a “no guns” sign. Quote ”..what if a crook came in and realized he was the only one with a firearm? Why should I post that? There’s never been an issue about it. We have such a variety of customers — older, younger, a lot of families.”  Some restaurants ask their customers to disarm.  The Pit Authentic Barbecue in Durham, North Carolina, decided to  hang a “No Weapons, No Concealed Firearms” sign in the window.  The barbecue restaurant was robbed at gunpoint in May. Two employees were injured, with one ending up in the hospital. Their Raleigh restaurant is the one  that hosted Gabby Giffords on her so-called listening tour.

Rachel Comment- Gun check! Who has their gun?
Rob Comment- Podcasting makes me hungry!

Rachel- Last episode we talked about more school districts with armed school staff on campus.  This is why they are critically important.  A teenager threatened to shoot her classmates and teachers at Franklin High School near Cincinnati, Ohio.  The 15 year old student told her friends she wanted “to do a mass school shooting and end it with suicide by cop.”  Her friends told school officials and the student was arrested.  She is being held at the Warren County Juvenile Detention Center.

Rob Comments-???  I’m sad that this young lady is suicidal.  We’re lucky she was stopped in time.  I’m glad more school staff are armed.

Rob- This is a story about someone who hates gun owners.  The self-proclaimed liberal democrat Mike Dickinson sent out a tweet saying “Dear god, please use Ebola to infect the NRA and it’s various members. For they are a true virus and true terrorists in America.  There would be no funnier thing then to see the NRA members in a death clutch of their gun while dealing with Ebola.”  Dickinson used shock media to get attention before.  In July he offered 100 thousand dollars for nude photos of the hunter and college cheerleader Kendall Jones.   Dickinson also attacked the The Tea Party and Christians.

John Comment-  I don’t think reaching out as a kinder and gentler gun owner is going to help with this guy.  He hates us.
Rachel Comment- Haters are going to hate, and it isn’t about us.

John – We have discussed the impact of concealed carry on the murder rates in Chicago a number of times on the podcast. A different take on this comes from Kurt Hofmann writing for the JPFO. Kurt holds that it is unnecessary to rely upon statistics to make our case for gun rights. Kurt states, “I don’t care because fundamental human rights–and the right to self-defense must be seen by any rational, ethical person as chief among those–cannot legitimately be held hostage to a requirement for a favorable statistical outcome.” He goes on to make the point that using numbers to justify our rights tacitly surrenders those rights if the numbers turn against us. He concludes by saying that our opponents try to bolster their weak arguments using stats like “a gun in the home is 43 times as likely to kill a family member” etc and that we must be better than that.

Rachel – This might seem philosophical, but we can do that every now and again.  Some liberal politicians want us to turn in our guns.  All of them.  Those are their words, not our words.  Their  “common sense regulation” is simply a series of stepping stones to disarmament.  We’ve taken about 23 thousand such steps in the United States so far, and the gun grabbers are still not satisfied.  Let me modify that last statement; citizens will be disarmed, not the government.  In fact, as citizens are disarmed and crime soars, the police claim they need more and more arms.  We’re told again and again that officer safety is paramount.  We have another example of where totalitarian power leads.  This example comes from Iraq.  ISIS, the Al-Qaeda associated group, issued this declaration for all land under its control.   in Iraq . . .

No public gathering are allowed other than those organised by ISIS. No guns are allowed other than those belonging to ISIS and carried by its supporters.

It has been said many times that power grows out of the barrel of a gun, and it looks like ISIS is embracing that idea.

Rob- Gun Quotes- To trust arms in the hands of the people at large has, in Europe, been believed…to be an experiment fraught only with danger. Here by a long trial it has been proved to be perfectly harmless…If the government be equitable; if it be reasonable in its exactions; if proper attention be paid to the education of children in knowledge and religion, few men will be disposed to use arms, unless for their amusement, and for the defence of themselves and their country. — Timothy Dwight, Travels in New England and New York [London 1823]

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Segment 3 Interviews

Laura Carno at 5:10 Defend Colorado, bring the second amendment supporters into this election.  Raise money and keep it in Colorado.  When was the event?  Where was the event? Who spoke?  Celebrities or candidates at the event?  How many attended?  What else is happening in Colorado politics?  Hickenlooper pardon, and Udall lied.  Laura’s I am created equal site is here, and Udall Lied is here.

Assemblyman Brian Jones of the California Assembly Republican Caucus.  The legislative session closed for the year.  The right of self defense had some wins and some losses this year.  Second amendment supporters are in the minority in the California legislature.  They fought SB 53 to a tie and it died.  Could you tell us about SB 53 and how you managed to stop the bill?

What are the other bills you managed to stop?
What anti-gun bills passed?
What should self-defense advocates do now?
Call the Governor.  Citizens in California have to vote and help get out the vote.

Here is a video of Assemblyman Brian Jones defending armed self-defense on the Assembly floor.  Here is the Assemblyman’s website, and here is his facebook page.  You can thank Assemblyman Jones by e-mail- brian@electbrianjones.com

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel-This defensive gun use story is from Orchard Park, New York.  A homeowner and his son heard unusual sounds from an upstairs room at 1am.  They saw two people dressed in dark clothing use a ladder to break into an upstairs window.  The homeowner called police.  The homeowner and his son also grabbed their firearms and held the two intruders at gun point until police arrived.    Police arrested 18-year-old Jacob Rappleye and 22-year-old Anthony Guarino.  Both are charged with attempted burglary, criminal mischief, and unlawful possession of marijuana.

Rob Comment-

Rob – Also from New York, a homeowner called police.  She said two people were trying to break into her home in Crystal Lake.  By the time officers arrived, the thieves had broken in, and one of them had been shot in the stomach.  The homeowner fired after the intruders kicked in her locked door and advanced on her and her children.  Nicholas Porcayo, 18, and Brandon Mendez, 19, were charged with intimidation, a Class 3 felony, and criminal trespass to a residence, a Class 4 felony.  Mendez was taken to an undisclosed hospital with injuries that were not life-threatening.  Mendez already has a pending case in which he has been charged with two counts of criminal damage to property of less than $300, Class A misdemeanors, and mob action, a Class C misdemeanor.  He also is under court supervision for a misdemeanor battery charge, a case in which he also was charged with aggravated battery, a Class 2 felony; resisting or obstructing a police officer resulting in injury, a Class 4 felony; and theft of less than $500, a Class A misdemeanor. Those charges were dismissed.

Rachel Comment- Another frequent flyer.

John – This is why you carry.  It happened along a walking path in Lancaster, Ohio.  Dinah Burns was walking her dog when two young white men came out of the woods along her path.  One of them held a baseball bat and said she was coming with them.  The two men were not afraid of her dog, but they fled after she drew her handgun and pointed it at them.  Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she’d only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Rachel- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

We’ll be back..

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Rob- I got an e-mail from listener John in Texas who recently got his pistol instructors certificate.  He also has a SIRT pistol and promised to share his training tips with me.  Congratulations, John, and I want to hear your ideas.

Rachel- Here is an e-mail from TJ

Hey everyone,
Can you guys give some tips on keeping front sight focus while transitioning between targets and shooting while moving? I tend to shift my focus from my sight to the next target and then have trouble refocusing on the front sight to make my next shot. Any tips would be greatly appreciated!

Thank,
TJ Gauthier

Rachel- practice slowly and perfectly
Rob- distance. point shoot versus slow aimed fire.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?  Only that my post on my “may issue” sheriff was picked up by NRA news.  How about you John?

John do you want to mention anything off of your Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

I wrote a post on Tuesday regarding Tamara Keele’s decision to suspend her very long-running and very popular gun blog, View from the Porch. At the heart of her decision was having to deal with a cyberstalker. I said the person involved needed to be charged, convicted, and imprisoned. While I have been informed of his name, I don’t feel it proper to state it on the podcast as that would be giving him more attention than someone of his ilk deserves.

John- Rob, what do you have up on SlowFacts?
Rob- I’ll have a post comparing self- defense in two cities.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the next time…
John: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 263 – Charlie Foxtrot

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live Saturday August 23rd 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: I’m Rachel malone and we will talk with Charlie Foxtrot of the not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com.
Gary D: so climb aboard
Rachel: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 263 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- Went shooting yesterday. Met a new gun and ran about 20 reloading drills to get properly introduced.
Gary- and I drove to SD
Rachel- Went shooting with friends on the spur of the moment Thursday and did some great defensive handgun training. Then I went and bought an EOTech that night. It was a great day. 🙂
Rob- Forgive me, Rachel. I have EOTech envy. Sorry
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Paul Went shooting

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Paul- In a ruling that impacts the legal liability of any business that establishes a so-called gun free zone, US District Court Judge R. Brooke Jackson ruled that the shooting in the Cinemark Theater in Aurora, Colorado was foreseeable. He said, “Although theaters had theretofore been spared a mass shooting incident, the patrons of a movie theater are, perhaps even more than students in a school or shoppers in a mall, ‘sitting ducks’.” With that he denied Cinemark’s motion to dismiss the many lawsuits against it which now will go to trial. Cinemark had contended that the mass shooting in Aurora was “legally unforeseeable”.

Gary-  A permit to carry does not make you a cop. This is the lesson that a Chicago-area man with an Illinois Concealed Carry Permit is learning the hard way. Ali Ozturk, 34, had tried to enter a bar in Albany Park on Monday night. The bar had a bouncer who tried to pat him down upon entering. He told the bouncer that he worked for the “Officers Div. of Adult Institutions” and then flashed a metal badge that he later admitted he got off of EBay. Ozturk was  arrested a short time later at a nearby pool hall after a witness told police he was trying to impersonate a police officer. He is now in Cook County Jail under charged with that and under a $150,000 bail.

Rob- comment- Not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Paul- Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel tweeted his support and praise for the gun control efforts of Michael Bloomberg and Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America on Thursday. Bloomberg has pledged $50 million to help get gun control candidates elected in November and Moms Demand is pressuring Kroger to bar law-abiding citizens from openly carrying guns (even where doing so is legal under state and local law). Emanuel himself has secured gun control measures that ban gun stores in 99.5 percent of Chicago. Which means law-abiding citizens have only “about half a percent of Chicago’s geographic area” in which they can buy a gun for defense of self, family, and property. According to the Chicago Sun Times, Emanuel is now defending Bloomberg from a growing backlash against the former NYC Mayor’s effort to control Americans’ lives via gun, food, and soda bans. The backlash was most recently exemplified by an NRA ad which calls Bloomberg out by name. On August 21 Emanuel tweeted supported for Bloomberg, combined with support for the gun control group he funds as well. He wrote, “I stand with Mike & the Moms!”, and then sent a second tweet in which he wrote: “No leader has done more to help end gun violence than Michael Bloomberg. He deserves our praise, not the NRA’s shameful attacks.”

Rachel – Living in a nanny-state changes one’s perception of “safety”. That is the only conclusion one should draw from the results of a poll in the Chicago Tribune which found 55% of the residents of Chicago felt “less safe” now that concealed carry is legal in Illinois. This finding coincides with the rise in crime in the Windy City. The poll also found support for Mayor Rahm Emanuel and Chicago Police Superintendent Garry McCarthy was dropping sharply as compared to the previous year.

Rob- Comment It is called a push poll.  “Do you feel safer or less safe now that citizens are allowed to carry guns in the city and crime is up?

Paul- A self-described environmentalist affiliated with the Green Party of Chicago was bent out of shape by a youth shooting range at the Illinois State Fair. This is the same shooting range that has been set up in 48 other states. Charles Paidock made his displeasure known in a letter to the editor published in the State Journal-Register of Springfield, Illinois. He had gone into the Conservation World pavillion at the fair. He says, “I expected the usual stuffed-animal exhibits and information on hunting licenses in Illinois, but I did not anticipate a traveling operation with no other apparent purpose than to inculcate children on how to use guns.” Mr. Paidock was disturbed by this and made his displeasure known to both fair officials and the Illinois Dept of Natural Resources.

Rob- This guy is trying to mainstream his hoplophobia.

Rob- The financially-troubled group Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership may be merged into the Second Amendment Foundation.  The survival of JPFO was in doubt after their spring fundraising drive raised hundreds of dollars rather than the tens of thousand needed to keep the organization alive.  Some JPFO members fear that JPFO will lose its character under SAF.

SAF founder Allan Gotlieb said “They approached SAF.  We said yes because it is important to the pro-gun rights movement to keep JPFO alive and make it grow.  JPFO and SAF will issue news releases when the merger becomes final late next week or the following Monday.

JFPO will get a new board of directors and function independently.  In the past we have absorbed KeepAndBearArms.com and Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership and kept them running as they were before coming under the SAF umbrella.”

Well-known libertarian author Claire Wolfe who was a contractor for JPFO begs to disagree and went public with her disagreement on Friday night. In a series of posts at Backwoods Home, she contends any merger of JPFO with SAF would be a sell-out of founder’s Aaron Zelman’s vision.

Quoting author David Codrea, “The inescapable conclusion is, had gun owners stepped up and supported a group struggling after the passing of its founder, its rescue would have been unneeded.   http://www.examiner.com/article/announced-takeover-of-jewish-gun-group-provokes-controversy

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Gary- D.C. City Council Chairman Phil Mendelson told FOX 5 on Thursday that he will appeal the gun carry ruling, making the information public for the first time. “The whole issue of the public carrying of a firearm is very complicated,” Mendelson said. “And I believe the executive and the attorney general will continue with the appeal.” Also this week, the city asked the court for six more months to rewrite its gun laws. Right now, the city has until October 22. That’s why Mendelson said gun carry will be at the top of the agenda when the city council returns from recess. “What the court said very clearly was that a complete 100-percent ban on anybody being able to get a license to carry a handgun was unconstitutional. But there’s a gray area between 100-percent ban and everybody can carry. And that’s what we’re working through.” … (My take: The District – which already has a more onerous requirements merely to register a handgun to be kept in the home than most states impose for carry permits – is stalling and hoping that it can get away with a carry-permit system as restrictive as Hawaii’s. On top of that, it will seek to ban carry in so many venues as to make lawful routine carry impossible.)

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/26341727/mendelson-says-he-will-appeal-dc-gun-carry-ruling

Comment-  Delay, deny, and obstruct.

Rachel- In Texas, blacks are protesting police violence in a particularly Southwestern way: By invoking their right to open carry. On Wednesday, more than 30 members of the newly-formed Huey P. Newton Gun Club gathered to march through South Dallas with rifles, shotguns, and AR-15s. The group eventually entered a restaurant with their weapons while Dallas police officers were inside eating lunch. “The recent murders of unarmed black, brown, and whites across the United States of America has eradicated trust in the police,” the gun club’s website states… (Of historical interest, California’s 1967 Mulford Act – which banned the open carry of a loaded firearm in a “public place” – was a response to the openly armed “Black Panther Police Patrols” in Oakland. Governor Ronald Reagan signed the bill after about two dozen Black Panthers, armed with rifles and shotguns, attempted to enter the Assembly chamber in the State Capitol. At the time, Reagan commented,“There’s no reason why on the street today a citizen should be carrying loaded weapons.” )

http://reason.com/blog/2014/08/20/black-open-carry-in-dallas

Rob- The Clark County prosecutor said Tuesday he will dismiss a firearms-related charge against a Vancouver man who said he was merely taking Vice President Joe Biden’s advice on how to defend his property from car prowlers. Instead, the man will be prosecuted for obstructing a police officer. Jeffrey C. Barton, 53, made international news when he told journalists: “I did what Joe Biden told me to do. I went outside and fired my shotgun in the air.” That is a reference to the vice president’s answer to a question in February 2013 about home defense. Biden responded that Americans don’t need to own semiautomatic weapons because a couple blasts from a shotgun will scare off intruders. Barton’s comment, dubbed the “Joe Biden defense,” was circulated widely among Second Amendment activists, and also landed a two-minute segment on “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.” …However, the firearms charge will be replaced with a charge of obstructing a law enforcement officer, Golik said. Golik said ethical guidelines prevent him from discussing specific reasons for the new charge… Barton said Tuesday that the new charge also is groundless. “Tony Golik is desperately grasping at straws to keep his ass out of a civil suit, which he’s going to get anyway,” Barton said… (Not being an advocate of “warning shots,” I’m not ecstatic to see Uncle Joe’s cockamamie advice given any legal standing. Recall that Uncle Joe also advocated firing a shotgun through a closed door, at an unseen target.)

http://www.columbian.com/news/2014/aug/19/joe-biden-defense-case-to-see-action-vancouver/

Rob- comment- Aren’t obstructing an officer and resisting arrest, and disturbing the garbage charge that keeps the police from being charged.

Paul- Last week a Maryland District court judge said modern semi-automatic rifles are only used for offense.  That is why these firearms are not protected by the right to bear arms.  Now it is clear that some citizens are more equal than others.  The Compton California school board authorized school resource officers to carry AR-15.  The local police chief said modern rifles were necessary so police could engage targets out at 150 to 300 feet and to penetrate soft body armor.

Rob- Comment- These are only offensive weapons if YOU have them. School Resource Officers are different.

Gary- Comment- It must be the blue polyester uniforms.

Rachel- I’ve said before that you are an ambassador for the gun culture, and you are are our secret weapon.  Well here is to you and this story is to your credit.  I’ll wait until the end to tell you where the story came from.  A major media company ran a video segment on women in the shooting sports.  They noted that women form a new and growing segment of the shooting sports.  The number of women target shooting has grown by 70 percent in the last 10 years.  Women have also taken up hunting, with 3 million women taking part each year.   Women are involved in every aspect of firearms ownership, not simply self-defense.  The stereotype that the NRA has scared  women into buying guns is false.  Here is the best part- the article appeared on CBS- this Morning.

Comment- Would someone look at the thermometer and check if it is snowing in hell.

Rob- In my own backyard, a California State University San Marcos faculty member  was surrounded by SWAT cops for open carrying.. that is open carrying an umbrella on campus.

It rarely rains in California, but it did this morning.  Someone called the San Diego County Sheriff’s office to report a bald white male, wearing a black shirt and jeans and walking across campus carrying a rifle. This resulted in a shelter-in place order for some 400 staff and students going through new student orientation.  Faculty and students huddled behind doors barricaded with tables and chairs.  Thirty minutes later the umbrella-bearing teacher figured out he matched the description of the alleged gunman and he contacted police to arrange his surrender.

Comment-  Hoplophobes never check for ability, opportunity and demonstrated intent.  We are raising a generation of paranoids and law enforcement who feel justified shooting someone if they carry something that could remotely look like a firearm.  We need to fight for hearts and minds.

Rachel comment – if only they had a CATI-California open carry group to help show them what rifles actually look like, so they didn’t confuse them with umbrellas.

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With Charlie Foxtrot.  This article drew some attention when I discussed the several riots I’ve seen.    Here is his facebook page.

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- A home invasion ended in gunfire in a east Harris County [TX] apartment Thursday morning. Deputies were called to a shooting at the Saddle Ridge Apartments on Woodforest just before 7am. Sgt. Gary Harrison says during that home invasion, the man who lives inside the apartment shot one of the suspects in self-defense. That young man was airlifted to Ben Taub Hospital. Three suspects were involved. One other was taken into custody. The third fled the scene once gunfire erupted. Investigators are looking into whether these suspects were responsible for any earlier incidents in the area. http://abc13.com/news/resident-shoots-suspect-during-home-invasion/275001/

Gary- A 73-year-old Lilburn [GA] woman shot through a door as a burglar approached her bedroom and then she chased him out of her house, continuing to fire, according to a police report…According to a report on the incident obtained by The Atlanta Journal-Constitution Thursday, Douglas said someone rang her doorbell around 9:45 p.m. on Aug. 3. She looked out her bedroom window and spotted a truck parked nearby in the middle of the intersection of Falconhurst Drive and Hewatt Road. Douglas called 911 and waited. Moments later, however, she heard glass shattering and then the pottery she placed in front of her backdoor breaking so she grabbed her gun. According to the report, Douglas stayed in the bedroom but she “could see light from a flashlight getting closer from under the door. When she heard the doorknob turn, she fired one shot through the door. “She then heard a scream on the other side of the door and the subject fled downstairs. Douglas went downstairs and saw the subject in the kitchen looking for the back door. She fired several more shots in the general direction of the subject as he ran outside.” While detectives were still investigating at Douglas’s house, Jamie Christoper Lewis showed up at the Eastside Medical Center in Snellville with a non-life threatening gunshot wound to the chest. He was charged with burglary… (All’s well that ends well but I’d have waited until he opened the door.) http://www.ajc.com/news/news/gwinnett-woman-73-chases-burglar-suspect-from-home/ng6y3/

Paul- An Ashley Avenue woman told police she fired her gun at two teens who tried to rob her at her home Wednesday night. Charleston [SC] police responded to the woman’s home at 1311 Ashley Ave. about 10:20 p.m. and found several bullet holes in the wall and window, according to an incident report. The woman told detectives she was getting out of her car with her child in her arms when two teens with guns approached her from the rear of the apartment building. The teens ordered her into the house. Once she was inside, she ran into her bedroom, put her child on the bed and grabbed her gun, the report says. She walked into the living room where the teens were standing and started shooting, prompting the teens to run out the door. No one has been arrested, Charleston police spokesman Charles Francis said.. http://www.postandcourier.com/article/20140821/PC16/140829844/1177/police-charleston-woman-shot-at-teens-who-tried-to-rob-her-at-gunpoint

Rob- A jewelry store employee shot at a suspected robber Thursday afternoon at the Asian Garden Mall. The incident occurred around 12:25 p.m. inside Tick Tock Watches in Westminster [CA]   Two men wearing ski-type masks and hooded sweatshirts entered the store, then used a hammer to break glass on a display case.  They then grabbed the merchandise. One witness reported that one of the men may have been armed with a gun.  A store employee pulled out a weapon and fired two shots at the robbers. The robbers fled the store, possibly with some merchandise, but police don’t know whether either was struck by the gunfire.. http://www.ocregister.com/articles/store-632397-collins-robbers.html

Gary- This is a tragic news item with a message.  A San Bernardino policeman remained in a medically induced coma today.  The man who assaulted the police officer was killed by the policeman’s patrol partner.  31 year old Patrolman Gabriel Garcia, 31 was in extremely critical condition in Colton, California.  Garcia is a highly commended, six-year veteran of the department who has spent much of his career on patrol duty.  His father, Ron Garcia, is a captain with the department.  Garcia and his partner- a trainee on the job for just two months – stopped to talk to a group of people standing outside a home on a cul de sac when one of group pulled a gun and opened fire.  Officer Garcia was struck three time.  Garcia’s partner fired at least 30 rounds and wounded the gunman.  The 38 year old assailant died at a hospital. Two other men at the scene were arrested and jailed.  One was held on suspicion of attempted murder, possession of an assault rifle and possession of a sawed-off rifle.  Another was was arrested in connection with outstanding traffic warrants.

Rob-  Here is a take-away: criminals don’t fight fair.  Several people attacked these officers.   The average number of people involved in an assault or strongarm robbery is 2.3 against one.  The defending officer reloaded and kept firing to neutralize the threat.

Gary- Comment- tell me again why a single citizen in California only needs 10 rounds to defend themselves?

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote about some proposed California gun laws.  It turns out the new gun violence restraining orders have an unusual provision.  These restraining orders can deny access to “sensitive areas”.  Think about that.  We know our legislators are crazy and are clearly a danger to themselves and others.  That means we can put their sanity on trial and keep California legislators out of the capital.

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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Gary: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 262 – Brandon Combs

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, August 20th, 2014. I’m Rachel Malone
Rob: I’m Rob Morse. On tonights show we have an interview with Brandon Combs of the Firearms Policy Coalition.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John: and hang on!
Gary: Episode 262 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rachel- Testified at a hearing for a proposal to allow alcohol sales at Texas gun shows. More on that in the news section, but essentially, I tried to take a big picture look at the proposal and address the lack of validity of TABC establishing these regulations, rather than the stupidity of the regulations themselves. Since I was on, we successfully ran Academy 31 – our girls’ camp – and then broke our A/C unit (in Texas in August) and are looking forward to having that replaced tomorrow. 🙂

Rob- I did some dry fire on the move. I donated some money to put billboards up in Atlantic County, New Jersey. That is where Shaneen Allen is being prosecuted. Also, my article about modern rifles being outlawed in Maryland was mentioned on Armed American Radio.

John- I’m am waiting for my SIRT 107 to arrive. M&P version of the SIRT training pistol. I think it shipped on Monday! I may be able to have a report on it by the weekend. Like Rob, I donated some money to help publicize Shaneen Allen’s case.

Gary- Another training class on Sunday. I have an ongoing training class for me scheduled for next month.

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Gary- Here is a chance to bring some needed justice to New Jersey.  The Second Amendment Foundation, Tom Gresham of Gun Talk, and the NJ2AS are working together on the Shaneen Allen case.  They are putting up billboards asking citizens why the County Prosecutor wants to put Shaneen Allen into prison for 10 years.  Add a note “New Jersey Billboards” when you donate at the Second Amendment Foundation website.

Rob-  I donated.

John – And so did I.  Donations are tax-deductible.

Rachel- Open Carry Texas has received a lot of criticism in the last few months.  One comment was that Open Carry Texas only walks in rich white conservative neighborhoods.  The implied criticism is that armed defense is only for rich white people.  Open Carry Texas thinks self-defense is for everyone, so they planned a walk in Houston’s fifth ward.  Democrat Congresswoman Sheila Jackson Lee was quite upset, perhaps because the crime ridden fifth ward is part of her district.  The congresswoman said, “On behalf of many thousands who live in this community that are minding their daily business, Open Carry’s efforts need to stop, need to be canceled, they need to end.”  Some residents of the fifth ward threatened Open Carry Texas.  I guess the Progressive Congresswoman’s tolerance of diverse opinions and practices stops at armed self-defense.  Fortunately, groups like the Armed Citizen Project and Open Carry Texas will exercise their freedom of speech and freedom of assembly without the Congresswoman’s approval.

John- Comment- they can and they will advocate for self-defense for everyone.

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Gary- SYRACUSE, N.Y. — One hundred and five people will be laid off at Remington Arms in Ilion, New York.  The layoffs are part of Remington’s plansto move two assembly lines to Alabama, which was announced in May.  Original reports said there wouldn’t be any job losses in anti-gun New York.  Those reports were wrong.

Rob- Last week Massachusetts passed more laws that restrict the sales of long guns.  This week, Savage Arms announced it will lay off 95 people from its plant in Westfield, Massachusetts.  The 120 year old firm has been in and out of bankruptcy for about the last 30 years. It is now owned by Alliant Technologies who also makes Federal ammunition.

John-Comment-  maybe the timing is only coincidental.

Rob- Comment- Maybe.

John- Gordon Jenkins was mayor of Monticello Village, New York.  This mayor from the Hudson valley area was also part of the Bloomberg group, Mayors Against Illegal Guns, or as John calls it, Mayor Bloomberg’s Illegal Mayors.   Mayor Jenkins is now in the Sullivan County Jail along with Building Inspector James Snowden.  Charges related to the demolition of the old village court building.  Both men face felony charges of receiving bribes, criminal mischief, and two counts of conspiracy.  They are also charged with misdemeanors of official misconduct, criminal nuisance, and under the Department of Environmental Conservation law, endangering public health or safety.  Mayor Jenkins was also charged with the felony of intimidating a witness in connection with a separate incident in Fallsburg, New York.

Rachel- It was a tough weekend in nearby New York City, the gun control capital of the eastern seaboard.  19 people were shot on Saturday and Sunday.  Two died of their gunshots and two remain hospitalized in critical condition.  This brings the number of murders up to 678 from 605 recorded this date in 2013.

Rob- Also in New York City.  Mayor Bill de Blasio announced a $12.7 million “Gun Violence Crisis Management System”.  The plan uses gang members as “violence interrupters”.  This comes as the city faces a 12 percent uptick in shootings this year.  Remember that the overall rate of criminal use of firearms is falling across the rest of the US.  Also remember the experience of Chicago, where recycled gang members continued their life of crime once they were being paid as “violence interrupters”.

Speaking of the failed program in Chicago:

Gary – New evidence has emerged that contradicts Governor Quinn’s claim that he shut down a failed and mismanaged “Neighborhood Recovery Initiative.”  Instead, House and Senate leaders and members of the Legislative Audit Commission, are pointing to a last-minute $20 million lump sum allocation buried in the state’s labor department budget. They are calling for an accounting of what appears to be a virtually identical re-branding version of the scandal-plagued program.

Rob- The California legislature is working on laws that would allow the government to seize your firearms if someone says you’re violent or mentally disturbed, or a danger to yourself or others.  It seems that even experts have a hard time telling who is at risk of violence and who isn’t.

John – The high school student who murdered another student at his suburban Denver, Colorado high school last year had been deemed “not a high-level of threat” after shouting a death threat against his debate coach three months earlier.  Disciplinary records show that the murderer was allowed to return to class less than a week after the murderer was demoted from captain of the debate team and said he would kill the coach.  Documents show the murderer showed no remorse for making the threat.  The murderer planned to kill the debate coach when he entered Arapahoe High School on December 13th with a shotgun, a machete and homemade bombs.  The murderer killed a 17-year-old girl before taking his own life in the school library as security officers closed in.

Rachel- Comment- They misjudged this teenager and people died as a result.

Rob Comment- True, but they also disarmed the school staff and people died as a result.

Rachel Comment- Yeah.

Rachel- A Texas school district gave the final approval for armed staff in the classroom.  The Sadler and Southmayd Consolidated Independent School District adopted the armed staff program back in April.  The Board selected a group of teachers and staff from a list of volunteers.  The volunteers underwent a psychological evaluation and 24 hours of specialized concealed carry training over the summer.  Monday night, the Board reviewed the results and approved the newly trained staff members to carry on campus.  School Superintendent Tommy Hunter said the district would not to reveal which staff may be armed.  “We don’t want to help potential shooters.. The teachers are going to know who is armed, but the student body is not.”

Rob- 24 HOURS?

Rachel-The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission held a public hearing yesterday to consider testimony on proposed regulation changes. TABC was approached by the Dallas Safari Club, who wanted to be able to sell alcohol at events where guns are also sold. The original understanding was that the new rules would require all gun shows and other events where guns were displayed or transferred to follow strict new regulations in order to allow alcohol to be sold, whether or not they actually sold alcohol. An announcement at the hearing

suggested that the commission is backing off and now offering a proposition where event planners could choose to not sell alcohol and still go with the former regulations. The events in question would include gun shows as well as fundraising banquets, raffles, or historical reenactments. The restrictions include a ban on any live ammo (gun shows with no ammo for sale, anyone?), firearms that must stay dissembled and out of the hands of the public (so you can’t handle a gun before buying it, and the transfer must occur later). Sounds like a stupid way to run a gun show to me….

I testified at this hearing, along with a dozen other gun rights leaders from the Texas open carry movement, other gun rights lovers, and – on the other side – Dallas Safari Club and Moms Demand Action Bloomberg representative.

Rob- What about NRA banquets where guns and alcohol are routinely present.

John- Gun Quotes

“No tendency is quite so strong in human nature as the desire to lay down rules of conduct for other people.”
— William Howard Taft

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

Segment 3 Interview with Brandon Combs of the Firearms Policy Coalition
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Segment 4 DGUs

Gary-  While this story is a defensive gun use, it can almost be considered a “Why I Carry” story as well, because the victim may have been able to avoid hours of abuse if a firearm was more accessible.

Ivy Winter Reutzel-Morrell alleges that Anthony Ray Tullis, 25, who also lived in her home, took her into a bedroom and assaulted her for over five hours.  Tullis also threatened Reutzel-Morrell’s life during the altercation.  Fortunately, the victim was able to gain control a rifle during the terrifying incident and shoot the suspect. He was dead by the time authorities arrived.  This also backs up Paul and my assertion of pants on, gun on.

Rachel- Comment- or for women, skirt on, gun on.

John – A 38 y.o. Shasta County, California man with a criminal history went to a birthday party for a child that he shared with his ex-girlfriend Amanda Rizer. He became enraged to find Matthew Robinson, 32, of Redding also in attendance at the party. Robinson had recently started a relationship with Ms. Rizer. The unidentified former boyfriend left the party but returned 20 minutes later declaring he was going to take the child. He advanced on Robinson who fired a warning shot from his .38 revolver. The ex-boyfriend then went to his car and retrieved what appeared to be a 9mm pistol and pointed it at Robinson. Fearing for his life, Robinson shot the ex-boyfriend once in the chest. The ex was transported to Mercy Med. Center in Redding where he later died. Deputies said the 9mm pistol turned out to be a replica and that they have determined that Robinson fired in self-defense.

Rob Comment – Don’t fire warning shots and don’t threaten someone who you know has an actual firearm with a toy gun. Neither are a good idea!

Rachel-  Innovative Optique sells glasses and sunglasses in Fox Point, Wisconsin.  The store had been robbed before.  The store owner expressed his concern for his safety and for his employees.  At about noon on Friday, 22 year old Joshua Drake of Milwaukee tried to rob the store at gunpoint.  The gunman fired, and an armed employee shot back and killed him.  The thief was pronounced dead at the scene.  The employee wasn’t hurt.

Rob- A Phoenix, Arizona woman pulled into her driveway.  The 63 year old driver was approached by a 23 year old Michael Medina.  Medina approached the driver’s door and asked to use her phone.  She said no, and Medina dragged her out of the car and threw her to the ground.  Then he got into her car.  A couple who lives next door saw the suspect walking up to their neighbor and thought something was wrong.  The woman went up to the vehicle and opened the passenger side door.  She was knocked to the ground as the carjacker drove away.  The man saw his wife knocked to the ground and fired several shots at the suspect in the vehicle.

The suspect fled the area in the vehicle, but he crashed and died a short distance away.  The carjacker did not know the victims.  Both the car owner and the neighbor were briefly hospitalized for bruises and head injuries.

Gary- 21 year old Michael Williams Little had broken up with his 18 year old girlfriend, Ashley Womack, a few weeks ago.  Little was a police cadet and went to his ex-girlfriend’s home near Knoxville, Tennessee.   Cadet Little argued with the family.  He left and came back with a handgun.  He then shot a family friend, his ex-girlfriend, and his ex-girlfriend’s mother.  The ex-girlfriend’s brother retrieved a 22 caliber rifle and shot the gunman several times.

The family friend was dead when authorities arrived.  Little was pronounced dead when he arrived at the hospital.

John Comment-  I’m glad the police are not the only ones who have a gun.

Gary Comment- I bet the victims wish they were carrying.

John- You would sleep during the day if you work nights.  That is why a homeowner was startled awake at 2 in the afternoon as Justin O’neal Hall kicked in his front door.  The homeowner woke to see the intruder standing in his livingroom.  He also recognised Justin Hall from high school.  They exchanged words, and the homeowner told Hall he was going to grab his shoes before they went together and examined the damage to his front door.  The homeowner grabbed his shoes.. and his pistol.  He held Hall at gunpoint until police arrived. Hall was charged with second-degree burglary and police believe he may be connected to other recent home break-ins in the area.  I noticed the newspaper already had his picture on file.

Rob- Comment-  A perfect case of armed self-defense with no shots fired.

Rachel Comment-  No, it would have been perfect if he’d been armed when he came out of his bedroom.

Gun check: it may or may not be 10PM where you are….regardless of the time, do you know where your gun is?
Rachel- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John – Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I have an article out on disarming crazy people.. like our California politicians.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John – I had a post regarding a comment by the former NYC Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Michael Baden. He was employed by the family of Ferguson, MO teen Michael Brown to perform an independent autopsy. He determined that Officer Darren Wilson had shot Brown 6 times in the front of the body. He made that comment that ‘You’re not supposed to shoot so many times,”.  The reality is that in a self-defense situation, you shoot as many times as is needed to stop the threat whether it is one, six, or 26 shots.

Gary – Check out my new website at www.FirearmSI.com

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend show…
John: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Gary: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 254 – Kevin Starrett, Luke Wagner and Kyle Coplen

Introduction- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, July 23rd 2014. I’m John Richardson.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with Kevin Starrett from the Oregon Firearms Federation.
I’m Rob Morse. We will talk with Luke Wagner of the Colorado Second Amendment Association.
Rachel: We have an update from Kyle Coplen of the Armed Citizen Project in addition to our usual news and DGUs, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Rachel: Episode 254 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I’ve missed the last two podcasts so I guess I have some catching up to do. Last Wednesday, I got to tour PTR Industries plant in Aynor, South Carolina. They make the PTR-91 rifle. It is the civilian version of the HK G-3. I was able to interview Chris Petersen of PTR for a later episode. I also got to shoot the PTR-32 Gen 1 Plus in 7.62×39. In other news, Barb and I got married. If you read my blog, you may have heard me refer to the Complementary Spouse. Barb is more than a complimentary spouse now.

Rachel- I’ve had a houseful this past week and have spent most of my time keeping meals rolling for all my guests and taking care of the kids, but still found some time for gunpowder and lead. Instructed an Appleseed shoot in Waco last Saturday because my kid dragged me (proud of that kid!) and one of the participants let me shoot his K31. Loved it. =)

Rob- Dry practice. Planning to shoot IDPA this Saturday

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Rob- Let’s start with some good news for the right of self-defense.  Philadelphia lost a large court case because they infringed on the rights of legal gun owners.  The city was ordered to pay 1.42 million dollars as well as the costs of administering the legal settlement.  The settlement runs to 11 pages.  Here are some of the highlights-

  • Philadelphia agrees not to disclose License to carry firearms applicant information either electronically or in-person.
  • The police department agrees to annual training for the License and Inspection Board of Review, and the Gun Permit Unit.
  • The city agreed to post a copy of the application process on their website.  This includes license applications and the appeals process.  The city must also submit a copy of the license appeals process to anyone who has their license denied or revoked.
  • The city no longer requires or contacts character references from license applicants.
  • The city will not ask if applicants already own a firearm.
  • The city will not confiscate a license or a firearm from a licensee unless there is probable cause that they are needed as evidence of a crime. If they are confiscated, then the officer must immediately provide a property receipt, which shall include the pertinent information for their return.

That is a good day for civil rights in Philadelphia.

The decision must irritate the Pennsylvania attorney general, and that is a good thing too.

Rachel- I don’t know the whole back story on this positive turn of events, but I know one thing: it happened because somebody got off the couch and did something.

Rachel-This last weekend, 40 people were shot and 4 were killed in the gun control paradise of Chicago.  Chicago politicians blame weak gun laws, but the real cause are the drug gangs who feed on social policies that resulted in broken families and economic policies that destroyed jobs.  Chicago politicians have company.

Rob- Weekend death toll in ny?  I called the new york deputy commissioner of public information and spoke to his office.  I also sent them an e-mail request for information about this weekend’s statistics.

John- This is an election year, so some ridiculous bills get passed and some reasonable bills never make it to a vote in committee.  A recent case is the rider to a congressional bill written by Representative Thomas Massie of Kentucky.  Massie is optimistic about Senate support for the language he attached that would dismantle the local gun laws in the District of Columbia.  The congressman is realistic enough to doubt the measure will ever reach the Senate floor for a vote.  Quote “Twenty rank-and-file Democrats in the House voted for the amendment, and I know Democrats in the Senate would vote for the amendment.. but I suspect Harry Reid will do everything he can to prevent that vote from happening.”  Senate majority leader Harry Reid did not respond to questions about Massie’s pro-gun proposal.  Neither did some of the vulnerable Democrat senators from conservative states, Senators such as Alaska’s Mark Begich, Louisiana’s Mary L. Landrieu, and NC’s Kay Hagan.  Massie’s amendment would likely have a Senate sponsor in Kentucky Republican Rand Paul.

Rachel- Here’s an issue that divides even strong gun rights supporters. A man open carrying a gun in a south Kansas City Walmart store alarmed shoppers early Monday.  Yes, shoppers were frightened even though open carry is legal.  A customer in the store called police to report the man.  The customer also reported the incident to the store manager. The store manager then asked the armed shopper to take his gun back to his car.  The gun owners was doing that when the police arrived. Kevin Jamison of the Western Missouri Shooters Alliance said that while open carry is legal, it doesn’t mean it’s always a good idea.

Rob- Friends, this is not how you convince the public that gun owners are trustworthy.  In fact, it is the opposite.  Your ounce of good intentions are outweighed by the ton of bad press.  Let me say this again.  It doesn’t matter how you see open carry; it matters how your audience sees open carry.  In the battle for hearts and minds, your audience gets a vote and you don’t, because it is their opinion we’re trying to change.

Rachel’s reply-  We are all ambassadors all the time.

John- The first Tuesday in August is almost here!  You might remember that Missouri Governor Jay Nixon vetoed a number of pro-gun bills after the legislative session passed.  There was also a proposed state constitutional amendment placed on the Missouri ballot.  The amendment added language protecting ammunition and accessories typical to the normal function of our firearms.  The amendment recently survived a challenge in the state supreme court, so Missouri voters may have a say in the right to bear arms after all.  The amendment gets voted on in the August 5th election.  Missouri gun owners, and their friends, get active.

Rachel- We reported several personal attacks at Target department stores since the company asked customers and staff to disarm.  Here is the first reported murder on Target property since their disarmament press release.  The disarmed victim was part of a night cleaning crew.  The victim was shot and transported to a local hospital where he died.  The assailant was a known gang member and later tested positive for being high on bath salts.

Rob- I hate it when a gun free zone fails and people die.

John – Beretta USA announced on Tuesday that they plan to move ALL production to their new plant in Tennessee. Previously, the new plant in Gallatin, TN was only intended for new production lines. Beretta USA said the reason for this was due to Maryland passing such draconian gun laws in 2013 and the anticipation that it will only get worse. The production of the Army’s M9 pistol will continue until all current orders are filled. They will be leaving their administrative, executive, and import offices in their Accokeek, Maryland location.

Rob- The polite society podcast is a little late in getting out the news, but I love giving credit when law enforcement gets it right.  In Ohio, the Union Township Police Department will host a Gun Safety Class for children from ages six through 13.  The two hour training class starts at 10 am on Saturday, July 19.  The class covers the nomenclature and safe handling of handguns, shotguns and rifles.  The class does not include any live fire training.  Donuts, juice and coffee will be provided.

Rachel- Gun Quotes
The gun control extremist has at least two things in common with the Islamic extremist. He has a willingness to die for his fundamental beliefs. And he has the sanctimony to demand that others go with him.” – Professor Mike Adams

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

  • News from Kyle Coplen at the Armed Citizen Project
  • Interview with Kevin Starrett from the Oregon Firearms Federation by skype at 5:30 pacific!
  • Interview with Luke Wagner from Colorado Second Amendment Association

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- Bad choices sometimes have a happy ending, but there might be more to this story.  This home break in occurred in Carrick, Pennsylvania.  It was 2AM when two men fired through the front door of an apartment building and forced their way inside.  A 19 year old man and a 17 year old woman were in the building at the time.  The intruders forced the man into side bedroom.. the side bedroom where the homeowner kept a loaded shotgun.  Both intruders were shot.  One died at the scene.  The second intruder fell down the steps and was taken to UPMC Mercy hospital. His condition is unknown.

Rob- I hear Rachel’s comment, carry or hope you are lucky and guess correctly.

John- Sometimes there is no good solution.  40 year old John Mapp attacked his 38 year old sister.  The crime took place around 3:40 AM in West Philadelphia.   Mapp then attacked his 34 year old younger brother.  The younger brother is a paraplegic, but he remained physically strong enough to pull out his handgun and protect himself.  He shot his older brother once in the chest.   The older man was taken by police to the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania where he was pronounced dead. The sister was also taken to the same hospital for her injuries.

Rachel- There are millions physically disabled individuals who are attacked each year.  Some of the disabled can defend themselves.

Rob- Phyliss Law’s home had been broken into before.  That is why some of the windows were already boarded up in this Prichard, Alabama home.   Phyliss heard the thieves pry open one of her windows.  This time she told her granddaughter to hide in the closet.  The 63 year old grandmother wanted the the thieves to leave, but they turned on the lights and began to inventory her home.. again.  This time she was armed with a 9mm handgun.  She fired when one of the thief entered her back bedroom.  She fired again and one thief was stuck in the head.  Despite his wound, both thieves were able to flee.   Later, when the police arrived, they briefly handcuffed Phyliss Law.  She was released on the scene.  The juvenile victim and his accomplice were arrested by police.  The wounded teen survived his wounds.

Rob- Now Phyliss keeps her shotgun near her bedroom door.

Rachel- Here is a good Samaritan story from Hubertus, Wisconsin.  An innocent man was walking his dog when three Pit Bulls escaped from their backyard and charged at him. Dennis Williams lives nearby, and heard the victim scream for help. Williams saw the attack through his window and ran to help.  He tried to stop the attacking dogs with a baseball bat.  Quote “It was one of the worst things I’ve ever witnessed. The dogs were on top of the man and his dog. They were not going to stop. I first tried hitting the Pit Bulls with a baseball bat, but they wouldn’t relent. There was blood all over the ground.”  Close quote.  Williams drew his handgun and killed one of the Pitt Bulls. The other dogs then backed-away.  The man and dog who were attacked required treatment for severe bite and puncture wounds.

We say children are not trusted with firearms, yet we trust these same children to watch their siblings.

John- This San Antonio, Texas homeowner had been robbed before.  This time a 20 year old man broke into the home of a 70 year old man who was ready for him.  After the intruder broke into through a back window, the 70-year-old homeowner used his handgun to shoot the intruder three times in the leg.  Paramedics transported the intruder to the hospital, and he is expected to survive.  The homeowner was not expected to face charges, police said.

Rob-  Two home invaders in Jackson, Mississippi thought 2:30am on a Friday morning was a good time for a robbery. They thought wrong. Jonquez Porter, 19, is now dead and his accomplice Romelo Porter suffered a wound to the leg as the homeowner fought back. Police have not identified the homeowner but had this to say about the incident:

“”You’re entitled to have a weapon in your home and certainly you’re entitled to defend yourself and your home. Apparently, from all we know, this is what this homeowner did,” (Asst Police Chief Lee) Vance said. “The deceased suffered the consequences that come sometimes when you break into somebody’s house.”

Rachel- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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John- this in from a listener

Hey guys,
Love the show, and heard you are looking for feedback on what works/doesn’t work. I want to say my favorite parts are the DGU discussions because they give me examples to provide to others who do not yet appreciate the necessity of the right to own and carry a firearm.

Thanks for all your work.
Zach Esposito

Rachel- The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes.Her next class that has seats available is September 13th and 14th in Culpepper Virginia. Also remember that in September is the couples class in Centerton Arkansas with Jon Hodoway, Go to Cornered Cat dot com for info on her classes and details.

John- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- Sheriff Gore is my sheriff and I reported on the victims in his county.

Rachel- Bob Mayne will be on our Saturday show. Bob and Ben Branam will also be doing a training class in Sioux Falls, SD in the spring of 2015. Tune in to this weekend’s show for details.

Rachel- Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the weekend ) show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 253 – Jeff Knox


“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, July 19th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have an interview with Jeff Knox, Director of the firearms coalition.
Gary Daughetry: I’m Gary Daughetry, and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun uses
Gary Harpster: I’m Gary Harpster, and we have our usual gun news
Rob: so climb aboard
Gary D: strap in
Gary H: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 253 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Paul: Museum story. My Son’s Birthday party story
Gary: I ordered a new left handed holster for personal and class training.
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1 Paul: Nick Leghorn over at The Truth About Guns reports that Remington has pulled all information about the R51, the handgun released this past winter just before Shot Show, off of it’s website. I REALLY wanted to like this gun, but was concerned when there were no examples available to fire at media day at the range. If true that it is going away  it is too bad. I really liked the style of the gun, it was kind of retro and futuristic at the same time. When I held the display model at the Remington booth it was hard to make the grip safety work reliably and the red dot laser was even harder to make actuate, but I thought that those things could be worked on. Alas it looks like Remington is not going to give the R51 a second try.
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2 Rob- California Governor Brown signed a bill into law banning single shot handguns. This is an anti-gun solution in search of a problem.  Single shot firearms are not used in crimes.  Nor are firearms converted from single shot back to normal semi-automatic operation.  So why write and pass such a law?  This was a must pass bill for anti-gun Democrat legislators who are eager to secure campaign funding.  Money talks in the Golden State, particularly anti-gun  campaign donations.

Gary D- Maybe the hunters that think they don’t need the NRA will join now that they can’t use their Thompson/Center Encore anymore.
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Paul- We have a lot of news from an epidemic of failed gun free zones.

3 Gary H- Jack in the Box restaurants all across the country continue to be an easy hunting ground for criminals since the company requested that gun owners eat elsewhere.  A Jack in the Box in Honolulu, Hawaii was robbed by a suspect carrying a rifle.  A Houston Texas Jack in the Box was held up by two armed robbers in broad daylight.  Including another holdup in Tennessee, two people were shot in some of the latest Jack in the Box robberies.

Brian Luscomb is Vice President for Jack in the Box.  He said, “Creating a warm and inviting environment for all of our guests and employees is a top priority for Jack in the Box.

The presence of guns inside a restaurant could create an uncomfortable situation for our guests and employees.. and lead to unintended consequences.”

Paul- Mister Luscomb, your gun free zone does not mean what you think it means.

Gary D- Another Bloomberg success story.

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4 Rob- Speaking of Bloomberg success stories.. Target Department Stores have been targeted by thieves now that concealed carriers are not welcome.  A Target customer was robbed at gunpoint by several thieves in the parking lot at a Georgia Target store.  In another Georgia Target store, a woman was severely beaten and her car stolen from the store parking garage.  On the west coast, a Target security guard approached a man for shoplifting in an Oregon store.  The thief pointed his gun at the security guard and fled.

Target’s interim CEO, John Mulligan, said: “Bringing firearms to Target creates an environment that is at odds with the family-friendly shopping and work experience we strive to create.”

Paul- Being robbed and mugged isn’t exactly the family-friendly experience I want when I shop.

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5 Gary D- Police are searching for two suspects who robbed a Chicago Transit Authority train at gunpoint.  In case you forgot, public transit is another no-carry zone for honest Illinois gun owners.  These latest robberies occurred around 4 in the afternoon on the Orange Line train between the Halsted and Roosevelt stop.  This is the train typically used by tourists who fly into Chicago’s Midway airport.  The robbers boarded the train and announced an armed robbery. They robbed several people of an iPad, two laptops, an iPhone, bank cards and $105 dollars in cash.  The thieves fled when the train arrived at the Roosevelt station. The CTA did not make a statement other than to say it’s a “police matter.”  I call it another gun free zone not working in Chicago

Paul- Maybe you can excuse a corporate executive for not understanding the nature of self-defense, but when the executive is paid that much, he should ask the experts.

6 Paul- Here is a store that should know about self-defense.. and about customer service.  Absolute Outdoors in New Kent, Virginia has a large sign in their front window that says “No loaded guns”.  Ed Levine from the Virginia Citizens Defense League asked the store how the policy was enforced.  The store’s owner had this shockingly rude answer.

“You need to add to your list of titles:
Loser
Idiot
In desperate need of a life
life long member of the tiny dick club
Just plain stupid
Now that better describes you.

I’m usually there everyday so you should drop by and see me little man.”

Most guns stores simply ask you to keep your loaded firearm holstered, but not Absolute Outdoors in New Kent, Virginia.

7 Gary H- We have another advocate for gun-free zones in Missouri.  Missouri Governor Jay Nixon vetoed legislation that allowed specially trained teachers to carry concealed guns on school grounds.  Nixon said armed teachers jeopardize safety.  The Democrat governor waited until the legislative session closed before he issued his veto.  Now the Republican-led Legislature has to wait until the September session to attempt an override.

If trained teachers jeopardize students, do the Missouri Capitol Police jeopardize safety of the Governor and legislators too?

8 Rob- We don’t often think of a county as being a gun free zone, but I live in such a county in California.  San Joaquin County, California has similar restrictions with only a few hundred carry permits.  Those of us who have to live in gun-free California counties are told that the police will be there to protect us.  There is an important difference between protecting yourself and waiting for the police.  Last week that  difference mattered.

Three armed gunmen tried to rob a bank in San Joaquin county.  A deputy spotted the robbery in progress, but he was outside the bank and the citizens inside the bank were unarmed.  The robbers took three hostages.  Two of the hostages were badly injured as the robbers tried to escape, and one of the hostages was killed by gunfire.

The police will be there in minutes, and sometimes seconds are the difference between life and death.

Gary D- The robbery took place in Stockton, and the robbers were using AK pistols.  More failure of gun control.. just like Chicago.

9 Gary D- We reported on this story a few episodes ago, but the story of Shaneen Allen goes on.  Shaneen drove into New Jersey where she was stopped by a policeman for a lane change.  Unfortunately, she was carrying a firearm, and like an honest citizen, she informed the New Jersey officer who stopped her.  She was arrested since there is no reciprocity between New Jersey and Pennsylvania where Shaneen was licensed.  Shaneen is a single mom with two children and two jobs.  She works late and was robbed twice this year.  She took her firearms safety class and had her carry license for only a few weeks.

Think about this for a moment.  This young woman drove a car that is far more powerful than any handgun.  She used a drivers license issued by Pennsylvania and recognized all across the country.. and even recognized in New Jersey.  She is also recognized as a US citizen from a birth certificate issued in another town.

As I said, Allen had a license to carry a concealed weapon issued in Pennsylvania.  That licensing process is far more rigorous than getting her drivers license or her citizenship papers, particularly for a concealed carry license from Philadelphia where Allen lives.  New Jersey ignores that license and branded her a criminal.

I don’t know if you remember speed traps in the south and southwest where small towns would use law enforcement to fine and imprison strangers.  This is the same miscarriage of justice inflicted on an innocent woman.  Allen faces a felony weapons possession charge and faces three year in New Jersey prison.  This single mom was already jailed for 46 days before she could make bail.  She was about to accept a plea deal and serve the three years when she got a good lawyer.  This is bigotry against honest gun owners.

Show me the victim if she is a criminal.

There is a defense fund on Facebook, and I hope you will call the National Rifle Association and Gun Owners of America asking them to help her.  You are a member, aren’t you?

10 Paul- Anti-gun groups in Nevada want to put an initiative on the ballot to legislate universal firearms background checks.  The Las Vegas Review Journal came out against the measure in an editorial.  They said the gun control proponents must “overcome the strongest argument against expanded background checks: the fact that determined lawbreakers who want a gun will not respect the laws written to disarm them.”  The editorial then went on to cite the many examples of criminals either avoiding or passing background checks.

11 Gary H- Detroit has shown that armed citizens save lives.. and might save their city as well.  Detroit has a decreasing tax base and huge municipal debts.  Much of Detroit is abandoned, and the police can’t even patrol the ruins.  Despite those tough conditions, robberies are down 37 percent year to year.  Breakins are down 22 percent and there have been 30 percent fewer carjackings.  It isn’t that the Detroit economy is suddenly so much better.  What changed is that Detroit citizens are harder targets for criminals.

Police Chief James Craig said, “Criminals are getting the message that good Detroiters are armed and will use their weapon.  I don’t want to take away from the good work our investigators are doing, but I think part of the drop in crime, and robberies in particular, is because criminals are thinking twice that citizens could be armed.”

Paul- This week’s quote come from Lysander Spooner.  “A man is no less a slave because he is allowed to choose a new master once in a term of years.”

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

Interview with Jeff Knox, Director of the Firearms Coalition talking about universal background checks.  Red/Green stripe is an old proposal.  A green “G” is a known good guy.  There are a few obvious questions.  Who pays?  Will any period of review, say 5 years, satisfy the gun grabbers?

Segment 4 DGUs
1 Gary H- It is good to have friends with guns, even if they are strangers.  Donald Sacco was at an Orange County, Florida bus stop.  That is where he was attacked and robbed by Thomas Thorpe.  Thorpe Stabbed Sacco in the hand, leg and abdomen.  A passing motorist saw the attack and stopped his car.  The motorist drew his firearm and held Thorpe at gunpoint while other witnesses helped the wounded Sacco.  Thorpe was taken into custody by deputies and charged with attempted first-degree murder, aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, robbery and carrying a concealed weapon.  The victim was transported to the hospital in stable condition.

2 Rob-  With friends like this, it is time to change occupations.  A homeowner in a North Houston suburb went for his shotgun when three armed men broke into his home.  One of the thieves grabbed the shotgun and the two wrestled for control of the long gun.   That is when the thief accidentally fired his handgun and struck another thief.  The wounded thief was captured by deputies and transported to the hospital.  The two other thieves escaped.

Distance is your friend in a fight.  Keep your firearms close and your enemies far away.

I’m not much of a long-gun guy yet.  Is it true that the only use of your handgun is to fight your way to your long gun?

3 Paul –

This article was e-mailed into Guns Save Lives.

A woman in Gainsville, Texas confronted a man who wandered into her yard.  She thought the intruder was high on drugs because of the way he acted when she repeatedly asked him to leave.  At that point the intruder threw his hat on the ground, and came at her. The homeowner’s 13 year old boy had his Ruger 10/22 in hand, but did not have to fire a shot.  The intruder turned and ran at the sight of the firearm.  The homeowner’s 15 year old daughter called 911, but it took the police an additional 8 minutes to arrive.

This incident is typical of most defensive gun uses.  You only call the police after the threat is apparent.  The sight of a firearm stops most attackers.  The police arrive to take a report after the event is over.

Long guns are better than nothing.

4 Gary D- Two teenagers — a 15-year-old and a 17-year-old — tried to steal Victoria Davison’s car last month while she was in it, “I want the keys, car, everything,” commanded one of the teens.  Davison hesitated, prompting one teen to tell the other, “Go get the cannon” — a reference to his gun. But Davison had a “cannon” of her own and pulled it out of her gym bag. She shot the 15-year-old. “I shot the one that was in front of me. The one in the back of me, he said a curse word, and then he looked at his friend, and then he ran off while his friend was on the ground,” Police are investigating what may be “dozens” of carjackings and robberies tied to the teens. The wounded 15 year-old is also connected to a violent shooting where he shot a 43-year-old man in the face following an attempted carjacking.

I’m sorry everybody but I am a trainer and I tend to see teaching moments. She says in the interview that she had the gun in a bag and struggled to get the zipper open and the gun out. Another reason to if at all possible on-body carry if you can.

Victoria Davison interview

Teens accused in several carjackings seen together at Children’s hospital

5 Gary H-  A guest at the Grand Hyatt Hotel on the river walk in San Antonio, Texas had to use deadly force to defend himself and a woman when a mentally ill man threatened and then charged the pair. Torres went to the sixth floor of the hotel at 1 p.m. and started breaking lights in the hallway, according to police. He started to bang on a door, and when a witness opened it, Torres said he was “looking for someone to kill,” police said.

The witness slammed the door, so Torres banged on another one, police said.

The man inside of that room waited a moment to open the door, and when he did, Torres charged him. The hotel guest drew a concealed handgun, fired one shot, and struck Torres in the chest, stopping him just outside of the door.

No charges have been filed or are currently expected in the case.

Torres’ family says the man was suffering from an unidentified mental illness.

Gary – Teaching moment – If a stranger is pounding on your door, don’t open it.

6 Rob -Two homeless Oregon men thought someone reported them to the Bureau of Land Management as trespassers, so they went to the man’s home armed with a baseball bat and took turns beating him.  The beating caused extensive head, face and back injuries. In an attempt to escape after the attack, the victim grabbed a shotgun from his home and fired two rounds into the air. The suspects fled and called police to report that they had been shot at. They were later arrested and charged with assault.

Gary D- I guess that is the Joe Biden defense.

DGU –
This one was sent in by Greg in Bremmerton,

From the NBCLosAngeles.com site.
A market robber is believed to have accidentally killed his accomplice during a fight with the owner of the El Sereno store they were robbing Friday, the Los Angeles Police Department said.
A 21-year-old man allegedly shot a 35-year-old man at the market at 11:15 a.m., according to police.
“There was an altercation with the store owner, who tried to take the rifle away,” LAPD officer Nuria Vanegas said.
The man who was shot was wielding a machete, police said.
The men’s names were not immediately released.
The store owner was uninjured.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Gary H- Email #1 From Ken in Arizona
I thought you’d like to know that Target’s “no guns allowed” policy is actually working! I just bought a new cell phone, and 2 new tablet computers, and a few accessories to go along with them. And not once did I ever consider going into Target to shop. Their policy worked. It kept me and my gun out. Apparently, smarter people than I are making good decisions after all.
Who says a “gun-free zone” doesn’t work.
Ken in AZ

Gary D- We got a message from John Willett of the Bold Departure podcast
Hi, What’s up guys? I was just listening to the episode with Russell Smith’s proposal for firearms purchases. Frankly, moving to combine photo ID and ability to purchase a firearm is a huge step in the wrong direction. I will add that we shouldn’t generate proposals based on the worst state’s laws. I have seen a proposal that makes a lot of sense. Rather than using the failed paradigm of relying on laws that prohibit activity, we utilize technology and an incentive for folks to conduct their own background check prior to a sale via a website that performs the same function as NICS does now. The website gives them a code that is good when combined with info from their existing ID for firearm purchases for a predetermined amount of time. The incentive is that the seller of the firearm would keep documentation of the sale with the code and that would provide them legal immunity against criminal action related to the sale.

Paul- The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rob- Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Gary H- Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.
For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the ( mid-week / weekend ) show…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary H: be aware,
Gary D: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 250 – Kathy Jackson and Frank Fiamingo

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday July 5th 2014 I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with author and instructor Kathy Jackson as well as Frank Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society.
Gary: I’m Gary Harpster and we have our weekly self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 250 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- Dry practice with my SIRT pistol and handgun on Independence day.

John – We had family in town from Missouri yesterday and we all enjoyed the various displays of fireworks. They also brought me a T-Shirt from the MO Univ of Sci & Tech where my nephew is think of attending. The shirt said, “My mascot carries a gun” on the front and “Does Yours?” on the back. The school’s mascot is an old miner with a six-gun on his hip. I love it!

Paul – We have brought up our dog Dakota several times on the show. This week she left us. On the day she left us Dakota was 14 ½ years old exactly. Is seems to me that one of the cruel tricks that is played on us by God, or Mother nature, or whomever you believe in is that while humans have a lifespan that lasts 75 years or so our companions have life spans that are about ⅕ of that. I got home this morning and we got a call from the Veterinarian’s office saying that her ashes were back, and we brought her home.

Those that have had a 4 legged family member know the pain that Susan and I are going through. Dakota came to be a part of our family when she was 6 month’s old. She had been abused by her prior owner, and it took a lot of work for her to trust men, but after several months and a ton of love she finally trusted me and eventually she became comfortable around all adult males.
Like any canine family member Dakota took it on herself to be the family’s guardian, confidant, and occasionally troublemaker. She gave so much and all she ever wanted or expected in return was our love and attention. Those 2 things we poured on her. She was always our “Puppy” and “our baby girl” If you ever want to know what unconditional love is just get a pet like our little puppy. It didn’t matter what kind of day you were having, or if something wasn’t going right, or if she wasn’t feeling the best, we were the very focus of her entire existence always.

I posted that we lost Dakota on facebook Tuesday stating something to the effect that if I earned a spot in heaven and our Dakota was not there I would move along and find her because if she wasn’t good enough for heaven than I definitely had no place there. Thank you to everyone who replied offering kind words. There are 2 that I would like to bring up specifically. First Ben Cook said “If my animal friends are not in heaven, I’ll be sure to leave a trail to where I find them so that you can find us all there

Second there were several references to a poem called the rainbow bridge. If you all would indulge me I would like to read this short poem

Just this side of heaven is a place called Rainbow Bridge.

When an animal dies that has been especially close to someone here, that pet goes to Rainbow Bridge.
There are meadows and hills for all of our special friends so they can run and play together.
There is plenty of food, water and sunshine, and our friends are warm and comfortable.

All the animals who had been ill and old are restored to health and vigor; those who were hurt or maimed are made whole and strong again, just as we remember them in our dreams of days and times gone by.
The animals are happy and content, except for one small thing; they each miss someone very special to them, who had to be left behind.

They all run and play together, but the day comes when one suddenly stops and looks into the distance. Her bright eyes are intent; Her eager body quivers. Suddenly she begins to run from the group, flying over the green grass, her legs carrying her faster and faster.

You have been spotted, and when you and your special friend finally meet, you cling together in joyous reunion, never to be parted again. The happy kisses rain upon your face; your hands again caress the beloved head, and you look once more into the trusting eyes of your pet, so long gone from your life but never absent from your heart.

Then you cross the Rainbow Bridge together….

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John 1- Gun-rights advocates won another victory in Chicago.  A judge approved almost a million dollars in legal fees that the city must pay to attorneys who challenged Chicago’s gun store ban.  The original lawsuit was filed in 2010 by an Illinois offshoot of the National Shooting Sports Foundation.  That battle isn’t over.  Richard Pearson, executive director of the Illinois State Rifle Association, anticipates a legal challenge to the city’s new rules regulating gun stores out of 99.5 percent of the city.  He said, “The ordinance is prohibitive.  If you look at the hidden costs of opening a gun store, I don’t know how a person could make a living selling firearms in the city of Chicago.”

Rob 2- There was another victory for the right to choose armed self-defense.  A Florida appellate court ruled that college and university campuses must allow students to store firearms in their cars on campus.  This allows adult students to attend school and remain armed when they work those late night jobs.  Contrary to the public claims of school administrators, negligent discharges remain extremely rare.  This is another small step toward self-protection in Florida.

John 3- A Kansas open carry bill went into effect on Tuesday.  It is now legal to openly carry a gun in a holster, in your hand, or carry a rifle on a sling.  Captain Rance Quinn of the Kansas City Police Department said they will still respond to calls of man with a gun, but the department will change how they handle the encounter.  Quote “…How are you doing today. I see that you are exercising your right to bear firearms. Is there anything I can do for you today?”

Rob Comment- Why yes, officer.  May I buy you a cup of coffee while we talk about your department sponsoring more firearms training for the general public?

Rob 4- The attention seeking anti-gun Virginia State Delegate, Joe Morrissey, once carried an AK-47 onto the Virginia statehouse floor.  Now he faces criminal charges for having sex with the 17-year-old receptionist in his office.  A special grand jury charged the Virginia politician with supervisory indecent liberties with a minor, electronic solicitation of a minor, possession of child pornography, distribution of child pornography and contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

Comment- He was only following Bill Clinton’s example.

John – This is the same Joe Morrissey who as the State’s Atty for Richmond was disbarred for among other things, fist fights in the courtroom. Why is that anti-gun activists are so violent?

John 5- Here is a good example from law enforcement, and from a small police department at that.  Police Chief Michael Combs found out there were no firearms safety courses offered in the county, so  Chief Combs decided to offer his own course.  The department will host a classroom and firing range sessions at the Goodwill Fire Company on July 19th.  Pennsylvania is a shall-issue state and there are no training requirement for ownership or a carry license.  I think the Chief’s decision makes citizens safer!

Rob Comment- Thank you, Chief Combs.

Rob 6- Some gun-grabbing activist groups tell you that real women want to be helpless.  Not me.  I’ll remind you that the number of women who own guns has been rising rapidly.  The percentage of women who own a gun nearly doubled from 2005 to 2011.  Those guns are not gathering dust.  A growing number of women are at the range and taking classes.  Women are on the cutting edge of self-defense.  I offer as example of the students I see and the students of our frequent guest Kathy Jackson.

Rob- There is a list of women’s gun groups on my blog site Everytown for Gun Safety.wordpress.com

John 7- We’re not sure if it was on purpose or an accident.  On the first of July, a poorly written law in Mississippi exempted disabled military veterans from paying some hunting and registration fees.  Unfortunately, the law it required veteran submit to a disability review by the Veterans Administration.  Many veterans will decline that opportunity, thank you.  The bill also required non-veterans to submit to a mental health exam at the will of the Mississippi state police.  It isn’t clear how the bill will be implemented by law enforcement.  Gun owners need a strong state organization that takes a critical look at legislation.  This legislation may have taken Mississippi back to “may issue” status.

Paul 8- This probably wasn’t the answer they were looking for.  The MSNBC network conducted a poll asking, “Do you think people should be allowed to carry guns in public?” 84 thousand people answered.  88% chose “Yes! The Second Amendment guarantees the right to carry in pubic.  Another 4% chose “Only for self-defense.” and 8 percent said carrying a gun is too dangerous.

John Comment- I didn’t know MSNBC had 84 thousand viewers.

John 9- Because of changes in the Georgia gun laws, churches in Georgia now have an opt-in or opt-out policy towards concealed carry while at church.  An Episcopal bishop in Georgia said he will forbid concealed carry in church.  Other congregations have accepted concealed carry. Pastor Tom Rush said, “Quite frankly, we may have some people in our church that are uncomfortable with the idea… You know, I grew up in a day when we left the sanctuary doors open so people could come in at any time and pray. Unfortunately, we don’t live in those days anymore.”

This is part of a larger social trend of our culture splitting into isolated tribes.  Honest gun owners have had to choose which stores to enter based on the store’s no-guns policy.  Now that decision includes churches as well.

Rob- This issue isn’t confined to Georgia.  I live in California.  Last year a nearby church took an anti-self-defense petition to a city council.  The church’s public statements sounded inclusive, but their claims were wildly inaccurate.  I asked to speak with the church committee but they ignored me and never returned my calls.

Rob 10- In California, Assembly bill 1014 remains in committee.  The bill creates a new law aimed directly at California gun owners.  The bill requires police to proactively confiscate firearms and hold them for one year with no due process based solely on an accusation made by an immediate family member, a law enforcement officer or any health professional.

The person filing the complaint only has to believe quote “the gun owner poses a significant risk of personal injury to himself, herself, or another by having under his or her custody and control, owning, purchasing, possessing, or receiving a firearm.”  close quote.  One anti-gun doctor could declare all California gun owners mentally unfit.

John Comment- so will every vindictive divorce lawyer.

Rob Comment- We commented last week on California’s failing grades for mental health treatment.  They aren’t doing any better this week.

Paul Gun Quotes- The American Revolution was a beginning, not a consummation, said by President Woodrow Wilson.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Questions for Frank
Frank, earlier this week Governor Christie vetoed the magazine capacity bill that was on his desk, could you talk a little bit about that?

Are there any other bills related to gun rights that are still on his desk?
Why are gun owners blamed for violence?
Politicians want a soundbite solution.

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Questions for Kathy

Thanks for coming on Kathy, It’s been a while since we were able to have you on for a long form interview and I am so happy that we found a hole in your schedule so that you could join us tonight! I would like to discuss a few of the more recent blog posts. The first one that I would really like to cover is one you titled “Strength and Weakness” where you talk about a the recent Miss USA pageant winner and her take on self defense, in reference to a Larry Correa post. Could you talk a little bit about that?

Another post that I really liked was one of your shorter posts from late May entitled “He Didn’t Deserve That” One unfortunate side effect of our society is that everyone seems to be suing for everything. I thought that this post was quite illuminating in that it seems to have spread to some sectors of public opinion. Could you talk a little bit about that post?

Rob- Kathy, in one of your posts you said You’re never disarmed. “Your ultimate resource for self-defense are the things you carry inside yourself.” Would you tell our listeners more about that?

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob 1- Two young men walked into Marlene’s jewelry store in Fresno, California.  The two men looked at the display cases and slowly moved towards the cash register in the back of the store.  That is where one of the thieves pulled out a gun and pointed it at one of the store employees while demanding cash and jewelry.  Seconds later, the store owner pointed his shotgun around the corner from the back room of the store.  The unarmed thief yelled “shoot them” as he dropped and ran towards the door, but the armed thief turned and followed his cowardly compatriot.  Both young thieves were caught on video and are very lucky to be alive.

Paul 2- Thieves tried to steal a vehicle parked in front of a home in Wasilla, Alaska.  When that failed, they tried to force their way inside the home through the kitchen door.  The 65-year-old homeowner called 911 and then fired a single shot.  She missed, but the criminals turned and ran.  They were long gone by the time state troopers arrived.

Citizens are the first responders, either as witnesses or as victims.

John – comment – if the homeowner was a few years older, I might have guessed it was my first cousin Ginny who lives in Wasilla!

John 3- This man is my hero.  A Centralia, Washington man and his girlfriend were sitting in their living room when a homeless 43-year-old stranger entered their home armed with a knife.  The homeowner grabbed his shotgun and ordered the intruder out of the house. They both walked outside, but instead of leaving, the intruder pushed the homeowner down a flight of stairs on the back porch. The intruder then grabbed a machete sitting on the porch and approached the homeowner.  Rather than shooting his attacker, the homeowner hit him with the butt of his shotgun, putting him on the ground and holding him there until the police arrived.  The homeowner preserved the life of a drug addled man.  Sheriff Steve Mansfield said. “This is another example of why citizens need to take all possible precautions and be prepared if something like this occurs.”

Do you have that much restraint after getting pushed down the stairs?

Rob 4- Well your hero has some competition.   My hero is Orlandous Brown who suffers from cerebral palsy and needs a wheelchair.  Orlandous came home Thursday morning in the company of his friend Latisha Vernon and Latisha’s 17-year-old daughter.  That is when he discovered that someone was already inside his Easly, South Carolina home and was robbing the place.  The thief was armed, but so was Orlandous.  Latisha and her daughter fled the home and called 911.  Deputies moved the women a safe distance away, and entered the home a few minutes later.  They found 33 year old Orlandous wounded from a single round and they also found the intruder, 26-year-old Darin Lowe, dead from multiple gunshot wounds.

Orlandous was transported by ambulance to the local hospital where he underwent surgery and is expected to make a full recovery. Police believe Orlandous may have been targeted because he is disabled and the dead intruder thought he was an easy target.

Comment- The thief thought wrong.

Paul 5- There is no way and no reason to pretty this up.  Gun control kills.  Two armed teenagers shot a couple as they walked on the sidewalk of Newark, New Jersey.  The murderers told the couple to kneel.  They shot 17-year-old Cheyanne Bond in the head execution style.  Her boyfriend survived.  The money Bond’s family had set aside for the teenager’s tuition at nursing school will go toward her funeral.  The crime rate in New Jersey has exploded since gun-prohibition was enacted in the late 1960s.  Now, long time politician and anti-gun Newark Mayor Ras Baraka has the murder rate he worked for.

New Jersey murder rate

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Rob: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join theCanadian Shooting Sports Association and theCanadian National Firearms Association.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
John: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 248 – Ben Branham and John Cardillo

NJ2AS linkPaul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, June 28, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Ben Branham of Modern Self Defense
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use
Gary: I am Gary Daugherty we will also talk about some strange technicalities of Illinois concealed carry law: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 248 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Rob- On Friday I went to a friends house to load the software, and we had a ball shooting my SIRT gun.. in his living room. this is a combination of laser tag with a decent trigger and magazine change. We had a setup where we could shoot at a paper target to the right, and used a full length mirror to shoot the same target off to our left. Its is all done with mirrors.

I shot an IDPA match in Alpine this morning too. Paul, how many hours do you want me to use up talking about all the fun I had? Steel on a live range is noisier than a laser . So is shooting from inside a truck. It is a pain in the rear to try and maneuver to shoot out the back window of a truck.. but fun. Got to move. Got to shoot. Got to shoot targets that move. Used the sights and also shot from retention. 230 grains of fun from my 1911.

Truck at Alpine
Video >>  here  <<  (I’m behind the camera, not in the truck.)

John – No new news for me since the midweek show.

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Seg 2- News

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John – On Wednesday, the Second Amendment Foundation filed a Federal lawsuitchallenging North Carolina’s restriction of their Concealed Handgun Permits to US citizens. The lawsuit was filed on behalf of Felicity Todd Veasey, an Australian citizen and a permanent legal resident, who has lived in North Carolina for the last ten years. She currently resides in Butner with her husband and stepdaughter who are US citizens. The suit asks the US District Court to declare the law unconstitutional based upon the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment and becauses it violates the 2nd Amendment. This suit is another of the Second Amendment Foundation’s challenges to restrictions on gun rights based upon alienage or citizenship. The NC General Assembly was asked to change the law during their short session but blew it off.

Rob- Comments –  Didn’t the Second Amendment Foundation win similar cases in other states.. in New Mexico for instance?  Now the North Carolina treasury will pay for the legislator’s laziness.

Gary – On Thursday, US District Court Judge Marcia Krieger upheld the Colorado laws that mandated background checks for private sales and that limited magazine capacity to 15 rounds. In her 50 page opinion, she said “”evidence shows that large-capacity magazines are frequently used in gun violence and mass shootings.” She also said that more competent defensive shooters need fewer rounds to hit their target which must explain why cops routinely have large – or standard – capacity magazines. Judge Krieger, in a footnote, also confuses the AR-15 with the M-16. As has become the unfortunate norm among many Federal judges, Krieger used the intermediate scrutiny standard to make her decision.

Rob- Comments –  It sounds like this judge knows nothing about firearms or the criminal use of firearms in a crime.

Matthew- 163 Democratic members of the US House of Representatives have signed an open letter to House Speaker John Boehner demanding a vote on gun control measures. This is about 80% of the total number of Democrats in the House. Given the timing of the letter, it seems this group of legislators think that gun control is a winning topic for Democrats despite a majority of Americans being opposed to more gun control.

Comments – John – I say, yes, please let’s make gun control an issue. We need more pro-gun Congressmen and women and this will help mobilize gun owners to get out and vote.

Comment- rob- These politicians are placing their campaign bets.  They think the bad publicity they get for supporting gun control will be offset by  fawning press coverage and campaign donations from anti-gun groups.

Paul – The National Shooting Sports Foundation just released a report this week that detailed the impact of hunters and target shooters on the economy. The $48 billion spent by hunters and shooters is responsible for 866,000 jobs and a total economic impact of $110 billion. The amount spent is more than the annual retail sales of companies like Coke, FedEx, and Disney. To put it in even greater perspective, the number of jobs – 866,000 – would make it the world’s 7th largest employer. The data used in the report comes from 2011 statistics. Imagine what it is now after the post-Newtown boom in sales of firearms and ammo.

Rob- Comments – Don’t ask me how much I paid for the venison I put in the freezer.

Rob- Ducks Unlimited used to put in duck ponds and graze areas.

John – This next story makes you want to say what the heck? Back in March, a legal concealed carry permit holder saved the life of the manager of Keith’s Superstore in Lumberton, Mississippi by stopping a thief in the act of stabbing the manager.  He did so without firing a shot and held the thief until police and EMS arrived. Fast forward 3 months. It now seems that the owners of Keith’s Superstore have posted “No Guns” signs on the door of the store and were quite rude when asked about it.

John- Comment – I wonder why they haven’t posted “No Knives” signs on the door instead.

Rob – Listen to this and hear your future.  Clark Aposhian could be said to be Utah’s top gun lobbyist.. and he had his guns taken away after a domestic dispute with his ex wife.  Aposhian was charged with disorderly conduct, domestic violence in the presence a child, criminal mischief, and threats of violence.. All this for sounding an air horn in a residential neighborhood. Aposhian was arrested last year after he drove his “deuce and a half” military surplus vehicle to his ex-wife’s house to pick up his daughter.

Quote  “I’ve been cleared of all these untrue and unfounded allegations. I’ve been vindicated. It’s unfortunate it took over a year to have that happen, at a great cost taxpayers and Cottonwood Heights, as well as at a great cost to myself.”

Last June a court ordered that Aposhian could not possess any firearms in light of a protective order filed against him. Aposhian said Monday that the protective order has been dismissed and he can have his guns back.

Matthew – Comment- You and I hear days in court.

John – Comment- Yeah, Lawyers hear the cash register ring. I am still confused on why divorce lawyers practice “family law”.

Rob Comment-  One of my friends used to thrill the little boys in the neighborhood when he drove his grandson to school in the company dumptruck.  That was not harassment and domestic violence.  This sounds like a couple conducting lawfare on each other using their lawyers as blunt instruments.

Paul- We talked about Washington DC’s new domestic violence gun ban a week ago.  Well, we told you so.

Matthew- Law enforcement officers beat their wives or girlfriends at nearly double the rate of the rest of the population, and trying to control that is not only difficult for the victims but potentially deadly, experts say. The trouble lies in the very nature of police work. One of the hallmarks of a good cop is to radiate authority and control, and in the wrong hands, those characteristics can be misused and lead to domestic intimidation and violence.

Gary- I’m sorry but the police are not there to save us.  An arrest was made Wednesday after two bodies were found along a rural road in southeastern Wisconsin earlier this month.  One of the bodies was identified as a woman reported missing late last year.  A West Allis man, 52-year-old Steven Zelich, was taken into custody in the death investigation.  Police identified Zelich as a former West Allis police officer.  The second victim found locked in a trunk alongside the road has not been identified.

Paul- Gun Quote- If you are not prepared to use force to defend civilization,  then be prepared to accept barbarism.  Economist and Marine Corps veteran, Doctor Thomas Sowell

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this advertisement from Concealment Solutions

Seg 3 Interview with former New York policeman, and current self-defense advocate, John Cardillo.  Here is John’s recent article in the Blaze about his views on self-defense after being a New York city cop.  Here are John’s older articles in the Blaze.  Here is a link to his current company, PsyID.

Segment 4 DGUs

Why Paul is not in Illinois getting trained for his CHL.  Illinois has restrictive requirements for reporting out of state crimes, so does not allow out of state residents to apply for a permit to carry.  It could easily expand the requirements to include Mental health reporting, Domestic violence reporting, Debts, Driving infractions, DUI reporting, and Definition of felony versus misdemeanor convictions.

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John -1 Sharon Doyle forgot her firearm when she went to work on Monday. So she went home and retrieved .38 revolver. That decision probably saved her life. A robber came into her health foods store with a knife and announced that this was a robbery. After going behind the counter and forcing the register open, he held a knife to Doyle’s chest. Doyle had previously served as a Philly police officer and a Secret Service agent. She credits her training with saving her life.

“I just went into a mode like this is what has to be done,” Doyle said. “One of us is walking out of the door and it’s gonna be me.” She shot the unidentified robber in the torso and called police. The unidentified robber was taken to the hospital where he was pronounced DOA. Doyle didn’t regret her actions.  She said “It might have saved somebody else because he looked like he was on a mission.  So, if it wouldn’t have been here, it may have been somewhere else.”

Rob- This police officer knew she had to be armed or be lucky, and she decided to be both armed and lucky that she was.

Gary- I get this comment in class often, “I only carry if I’m going some place dangerous”, I try to dissuade this opinion.

Rob – Two men are in the hospital following an attack in Chino Hills, California.  At about 2AM, Raiveon Wooden broke into the home of his ex-girlfriend and her parents.  He hid in the garage.  When the girl’s father went to investigate noises in his garage, Wooden attacked him and stabbed him multiple times.  Fortunately, the father was armed and shot Wooden, ending the attack.  Both men are being treated for non life threatening injuries.  Wooden faces charges of burglary as well as attempted murder.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion

Rob- Thank you to Scott Gibbons for sending in some news and DGUs.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is outon Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Gary: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class that still has seats available is the weekend of July 12th and 13th in Walla Walla, Washington. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- That rant I did about crime in San Diego on our Wednesday show, well, it is a blog post and up at Ammoland and a Clash Daily.  It also turns out that in the county just north of me, annual applications for carry permits have already grown 10 fold year to year, and we are only in June.

Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John:  I did a post today on the world’s most powerful handgun. Today marks the 100th anniversary of the day that Gavrilo Princip assassinated Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria. That was the spark that set off WW1. We often refer to pistols with calibers less than 9mm Luger or .38 Special as “mouse guns”. Well, it was a “mouse gun” – a FN Model 1910 in .380 Auto that was used to start WW1.

Rob- I’ve been on that bridge and read the report of how Franz Ferdidinad’s security detail was pulled from the motorcade.

Matthew: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Gary- I’m a member.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the (mid-week / weekend )show…
Rob: stay safe,
Matthew: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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