Episode 232 – Michael Willett, John Willett and Ben Branam

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The USA Today is reporting that the ATF is overloaded with NFA registrations. From the article. Between 2005 and 2013, firearms act-related applications “skyrocketed by more than 380%” to nearly 200,000, according to the April 16 memo issued by ATF Deputy Assistant Director Marvin Richardson. The surge has contributed to a backlog of more than 70,000 applications.
Richardson’s memo states that the ATF is “immediately” hiring 15 people to assist with the application processing and deploying 15 current employees to the task.
While it is good that demand for these items is healthy, it is unacceptable that it takes nearly a year for the applications to be processed.
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According to the AP one of the big pushes at the NRA convention this year is National Reciprocity. The NRA show is why 2 of the 4 that you usually hear on the show aren’t here tonight. Rob and John are both attending and we hope to get reports from them on Wednesday’s show.
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Georgia has a new law that greatly expands where people with a concealed weapons permit can carry. This has been decried in the media. “why would you want to carry a gun in church?” Because I don’t think you should be able to kill people in church.
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Our good friend Miguel over at the Gun Free Zone blog has a great take on the Bloomberg $50 million astroturf organization. Responding to a report that the former mayor is paying to have protesters show up at the NRA show this weekend, Miguel says “That’s all you need to know. They are not and never were grassroots. They are making a big show of having to pay for their activists to travel to the NRA Annual Meeting to “face off” tens of thousands of people who paid for their own travel & expenses.  And that it is happening on Shannon Watt’s backyard is even more humiliating.

It is hard to win a war when using mercenaries.”
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Our final story tonight is that the mainstream media did a bit of a hatchet job on Cliven Bundy, the ranch owner in Nevada who the BLM tried to steal cattle from recently (didn’t they used to hang cattle rustlers?) Bundy made a speech to local supporters supporting minorities, and made the point that we must be vigilant so that civil rights aren’t turned back to jim crow days, but of course the MSM cut the thing up into tiny little pieces, and made Bundy look like a racist.
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Gun Quotes
By calling attention to a well-regulated militia for the security of the Nation, and the right of each citizen to keep and bear arms, our Founding Fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the fears of governmental tyranny, which gave rise to the second amendment, will ever be a major danger to our Nation, the amendment still remains an important declaration of our basic military-civilian relationships, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in the defense of the country. For that reason I believe the second amendment will always be important. –JOHN F. KENNEDY

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 4 DGUs
DGU #1
ARCHDALE, N.C. —A homeowner shot toward a suspect during a home break-in Wednesday morning, police said. The suspect is still on the loose.

The incident was reported around 10:45 a.m. at a home on Rand Boulevard just off South Main Street. No injuries were reported.

The homeowner had returned home when he heard loud knocking on a side door, Archdale police said. The homeowner went to retrieve a gun, and the door was kicked open as he made it back down the hall, police said.

The suspect fled the home, and the homeowner followed him outside, police said. The suspect got into his Dodge Charger and drove toward the homeowner, causing him to fire one shot at the vehicle, police said.

The shot hit the middle of the windshield, but the suspect was able to flee north on Main Street, police said.

DGU# 2
KIOWA COUNTY, Oklahoma –

The Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigations is looking into an attempted home invasion and shooting that occurred Tuesday evening in Kiowa County.

According to the Kiowa County Sheriff’s Office, deputies were called to a home in the 200 block of S. Parker in Mountain Park. Investigators say just before midnight, the homeowner was awakened by a knock at his door.

Investigators say the victim opened his door, when a man hit him with a large metal pipe. The homeowner shot the man several times with a small caliber handgun. The shooting victim then went to his own house located several blocks away and called the sheriff’s office about being shot. He was flown to an Oklahoma City hospital with possible life-threatening injuries.

The Kiowa County Sheriff’s Office requested OSBI investigative and crime scene agents work the case. At this point, no arrest has been made. Since no one has been arrested or charged with a crime, no names are being released at this time.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Email #1 From Chris
http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2014/04/medawar_jewelers_fends_off_rob.html

Dgu from michigan, also in the last episode you guys were talking about what a “great” place Flint is. Hahaha. I use to be a armored truck guard/ driver and my route was The Flint route in the time I was on that route there were countless banks robbed that we serviced an auto part supplier that we also serviced was robbed about every other week on 2 occasions of that store being robbed there were shots fired into the ceiling. Needless to say there was not one day that I didn’t wear my level 3a vest. I thankfully never had to use my firearm but there were times where the hairs on the back of my neck were standing up and the situation seemed like it was going to turn bad thankfully it never did. Anyway flint is a hole stay away from there I am glad to see the people of flint standing up to the garbage there.

Email #2 From Chris
http://fox17online.com/2014/04/23/montcalm-co-couple-fighting-to-get-concealed-pistol-licenses-back/#axzz2zkwEquZt.

Here’s an interesting case for you guys.
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STANTON, Mich., (April 23, 2014)–  A couple from Montcalm County is fighting to get their concealed pistol licenses back after the gun board revoked them, saying they renounced their U.S. Citizenship.

But Randy and Shelly Esch say that’s not the case and they want answers. Randy Esch says he got a letter a few months back from the gun board saying that during his review his CPL was revoked; so was his wife’s.

Shelly says they are still living in the state, working in the state and paying their taxes.

They say they filed an Apostille, an act of state and reaffirmation of standing of what they say are their beliefs, but claim it was never their intent to not be U.S. citizens anymore.

“That’s not what we’re trying to say.  We’re trying to say exactly what I told you, our belief in God. I accepted the Constitution as it was written and the Bill of Rights and that’s what this says,” said Randy.

What Esch says he meant by it and how the gun board interpreted it are two different things. We took the document to Heather Garretson, a professor at Cooley Law School.

“The document is unclear as to whether he attempted to fully and legally renounce. It is clear from the document, ‘void’ and ‘renounced’ and ‘fraudulent’ are mixed in with the state and Montcalm County and the United States,” she said. “I think that to legally renounce your U.S. citizenship it’s going to take more than this document,” Garretson said.

Esch says they never went through the multiple steps required to legally renounce.

Montcalm County Prosecutor Andrea Krause is one of three on the Gun Board and says the evidence they received signed and filed by the Eschs was enough for the board during review, that under the CPL statue they’re not eligible.

The Eschs can appeal but say they don’t want to spend more money on doing that when they feel the board is in the wrong.

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Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network. Also please go check out the Bold Departure Podcast.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the (mid-week / weekend )show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 197 – with Bold Departure Podcast

Paul: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded on Wednesday Jan 8th 2013, I’m Paul Lathrop
Tom: I’m Tom and on tonights show we’ll talk about how an AK-47 can really be a defensive gun
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we’ll also talk about a self-defense shooting that happened two blocks from me. John, I’m John from the Bold Departure podcast and we’’l also discuss my show a bit if I can get Sticks to limit his what I did in guns to 30 minute tonight…
Mike: I’m Mike also from Bold Departure, So climb aboard
Tom: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 197 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.

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Rob: The only thing I did for guns was print business cards for SHOT show and did a face to face interview.
Rob: I want to ask you how you buy ammunition. Toby said he buys from his local stores. I buy almost all my ammunition online in 500 to 1000 round lots. How about you?

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Rob- Syndicated reporter Jeff Jacoby scolded politicians for gun control in his well referenced article published in the Boston Globe.  Crime had been falling in Massachusetts before the 1998 statewide gun ban.   After the ban, the crime rate began to rise.  The murder rate doubled in Massachusetts, the rate of armed robbery went up 20 percent, and aggravated assault went up over 26 percent.  Massachusetts was once less violent than its neighboring states, but it is now more violent than its neighbors.  All this happened while gun ownership plummeted.  Disarming honest Massachusetts citizens simply made them better victims rather than denying tools to violent criminals.  Jacoby scolds politicians for sticking with a failed gun-control ideology when it has been shown not to work.  The Boston Globe is hardly a liberal newspaper, and given the weather, maybe hell has finally frozen over.

I argue the only purpose of Massachusetts gun-control laws was to gather campaign contributions, many of them from New York.

Paul- Republican gubernatorial candidate Curtis Coleman took part in an open carry march in Conway, Arkansas.  Coleman said he supports Arkansas Act 746 which allows a person to openly carry a gun as long as law enforcement can’t prove that person intends to commit a crime.  “I think the studies we’re seeing all over the country consistently show the more Americans have the clear, obvious right to defend themselves that the less opportunity there is for these citizens to be the victim of crime,” Coleman said.

Mike- Firearms trainer Travis Hailey announced a move to Arizona.  Haley Strategic Partners is relocating its operations from Colorado to Scottsdale, Arizona.  The move includes the training unit and product development team.  Travis Hailey held a position with Magpul Dynamics, the training division of Magpul, which also left Colorado earlier this week.

Tom- From the laws have consequences file- Josh Fiorini is CEO of PTR Industries, and PTR makes AR style firearms.  They used to make them in Bristol, Connecticut.  PTR recently bought a larger building in Aynor, South Carolina and expects to start production in about a week.  Half of the staff from Connecticut will move to the new facility, thought the goal is to triple the work force to 120 people in four years.  Good luck to PTR and welcome to the The Palmetto State.

Rob- Kansas concealed carry applications soared by 50 percent year to year.  The 24 thousand applications in 2013 bring the fraction to about one-in-120 Kansas citizens.  Because we covered it in the last show, I compared the carry rate between California and Kansas.  The increase in California carry licenses last year was larger than the total number of licenses in Kansas, but the fraction of carry permits is six times higher in Kansas than in California.  Good for you, Free Kansas.
Tom- Rob, you got that wrong.  There were 24,181 license applications in Kansas.
Rob- Ah, thanks, Sticks.

Paul- The floodgates have opened, and 4500 people applied for Concealed Carry Licenses on Illinois’ first day of open online applications.  For perspective, that first day response is more Illinois citizens than have successfully applied for Obamacare in two months.  Some 350 to 400 thousand applications for cary licenses are expected this year in Illinois.

John- Also in Illinois, U.S. District Court Judge Edmond E. Chang presiding over the northern Illinois district ruled that Chicago’s blanket ban on gun shops and firearms transfers is unconstitutional.  Judge Chang ruled that less restrictive regulation were allowed, but that Chicago could not ban citizens engaged in a constitutional right to keep and bear arms which includes the right to buy and sell them.  The Judge also stayed his ruling to give Chicago time to appeal his decision.  Judge Chang is an Obama appointee and not a friend to gun owners, but this ruling brings a little more freedom to the citizens of Chicago.  Sporting goods retailers said they hoped to have their stores selling firearms in Chicago this year.
Rob- But wait, there’s more.  The Bloomberg funded anti-gun group Mom’s Demand Action says they don’t want a complete gun ban.. and then issued a press release saying they were disappointed the judge overturned the complete ban on gun sales.

Tom- Friend of the show Brian Aitken was recently married in Stowe, Vermont. Congratulations and best wishes, Brian and Jenna Aitken. (and boy did Brian out-kick his coverage)

Paul- From our Good Cop file we include the Dallas, Texas Police Chief going public when he dismisses an employee.  Chief David Brown posts on Facebook and Twitter.  For example, and I quote, “I have terminated Sergeant Rafael Rodriguez for his involvement in a domestic disturbance which resulted in a police response.  Under Civil Service rules, Sergeant Rodriguez has the right to appeal his discipline.”  Some law enforcement officers try to change departments after they are disciplined in one city.  The Chief makes their job performance public.  Chief Brown is meting out justice 144 characters at a time.  Look out Donald Trump.

Rob- From our Bad Cop file we report a detective from Boiling Spring Lakes, North Carolina fatally shooting a 95 pound schizophrenic boy in the chest after two other officers tazered the teen and then held the teen down.  The police were called by the teens family because they were concerned the teenager was having a schizophrenic episode in their home and might turn violent.  As expected, the Police Chief cleared his officers of any wrong doing.  The family who witnessed their son’s murder has retained several lawyers and the detective remains on administrative leave.
Paul- No Donut for you.

Mike- In the “This might be a good thing” file, The sheriff of Los Angeles County California is retiring suddenly.  Los Angeles is a MAY issue county and in reality it is a “not unless you have more money than God and are willing to put some of it in my re-election campaign fund” issue county. The chances of getting a pro-rights sheriff are small, but it is better than if Sheriff Lee Baca were running for re-election.  Sheriff Baca is involved in the ongoing scandal of corruption in the LA county jails.

Tom- In 2014, Remington brings back the Pederson pistol in 9mm as the Remington Model 51.  The Pederson was originally chambered in 380 and first introduced back in 1917 when Remington Arms was primarily a long gun manufacturer and Colt was king of handguns.  The Pederson is a delayed opening design with a grip safety and single action trigger.  We should see the Remington Model 51 at SHOT show, and Paul has threatened to muscle his way to the front of the line to be able to shoot it. We will be sure to remind him of his manners before we get to media day at the range.

Rob- Listeners in New Mexico need to get in touch with their State Legislators. NRA-ILA reports that anti-gun state Representative Miguel Garcia (a Democrat from Bern-a-lil-lo) has introduced House Bill 44, for the upcoming thirty-day legislative session that begins on January 21st. House Bill 44 criminalizes non-dealer firearm transfers at gun shows and takes the first step toward a universal ban on private gun sales.  This bill is similar to a bill debated last year in the New Mexico Senate.

Tom- The knife news magazine “Knife Up” has an interesting and informative graphic on state knife laws.  Don’t assume that gun-friendly states are also knife-friendly.  Sure, we expect New York and Illinois to make everything illegal, but the gun-shine state of Florida makes it illegal to carry a knife in your pocket if the blade is over three inches in length. The link and maps are with our show notes.

John- The New Jersey Second Amendment Society will have journalist and author Emily Miller speaking and signing her book at their next meeting.  The meeting is free on Wednesday, February 12 at 7:00 pm in Winslow, New Jersey.  A link is at the NJ2AS site and on our show notes.
Rob- John, will you be there?
John- Yes, I want to meet Emily and get a signed copy of her book!
Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this and close out the show.

Seg 3 Interview with John and Michael of the Bold Departure podcast.
Today the Superior Court Of New Jersey ruled that New Jersey Towns can NOT add requirements to the state gun license process.
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Rob: DGU#1- Happend a few blocks of my home in Vista, California.  Two men walked into an italian restaurant at about 9:30 Friday night.  Both had their faces covered when they presented handguns and demanded money.  The owner drew his own handgun and fired eight shots striking both thieves in the upper body.  The thieves fled empty handed.. except for a few high velocity souvenirs they collected.  The restaurant is small and the seating area is about 25 feet on a side with a bar across the back.  It sounds like the owner was standing at the cash register and shot behind the bar as the two thieves came to the cash register.  The two wounded men went to a local hospital around midnight where they were arrested.  They were booked into jail on suspicion of robbery, conspiracy, assault with a deadly weapon, and other weapons and probation violation charges.

When I spoke to the owners they said they were afraid that their customers would stay away after the shooting.  Instead, Uncle Tony’s Italian Restaurant was packed the next day.  One of the owners said, “We took care of it.  What else could we do?!  The police said we did everything right, so we don’t expect any more problems.”

While I was there, I overheard two new customers say they dropped in simply because they heard about the shooting. This is an ordinary eatery wedged among other small restaurants between a vision center and a postal annex.  Self-defense could happen anywhere.

Paul- DGU #2 sent in from Chris on Facebook
One of three suspects was fatally shot Thursday night just before 8 p.m. by a resident armed with an AK-47.  The incident started as a robbery in Davie, Florida, just outside of Fort Lauderdale.  According to NBC Miami, three armed suspects entered the man’s apartment and pistol whipped him.  The victim was able to break free and retrieved his AK-47.  The victim fired at the suspects as they fled, striking one of his attackers in the leg several times and fatally wounding him. The robbery victim was treated at the local hospital and released.  He is cooperating with police the three attackers are being sought.  The obvious risk of armed crime is running into an armed victim.
Rob- and leg wounds can be lethal.  There is no good place to be shot.

John- DGU #3  An escaped convict’s short-lived crime spree came to an abrupt end when he chose to rob an off-duty Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper on December 27.  According to local reports, 22-year-old Anthony Darnell King approached John Marion at gunpoint while he was in the garage of his Oklahoma City apartment. King demanded cash and valuables from the man, who then led him into the home and upstairs to retrieve what King thought he was after.  However, once in the home, Marion opened fire on King, striking him at least once. Marion immediately called 911, identified himself as an officer and explained what had occurred.  Police arrived just before 7 p.m. and found King unresponsive in the home. He was transported to a local hospital where he died as a result of his injuries.

Tom- DGU#4  25 year old Patrick Davis was killed Monday night when he attempted to rob two people in the College Hill neighborhood of north St. Louis, Missouri.  The robbery victims told police that Davis held them at gunpoint.  One of the intended victims presented his own firearm and shot Davis in the legs, chest, face and arm.  Davis fled and was dropped off at a local hospital where he was pronounced dead.

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Rob- Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th. Registration is now OPEN! and the link is in our show notes and on Facebook.

Paul: Please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen. and while you are at it how about checking out www.blackdeerhunter.com

Tom: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump and I don’t want to shoot with you.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Michigan Gun Owners, Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association  Contact us to put your states organization on this list for free.

Tom: And Project Appleseed too!

John and Mike’s podcast is at BoldDeparture.co

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until we report from SHOT show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.