Episode 374 – Bob Mayne Talks Training

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1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment 1:

3- News Segment 2:

4- Interview Segment 1: Guest Bob Mayne

5- Interview Segment 2: Guest Bob Mayne

6- DGU Segment 1:

7 DGU Segment 2:

8- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday April 21st 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Instructor and Podcaster Bob Mayne about teaching self – defense.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a judge who allowed the Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue forward

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we find out that apparently you CAN get a CCW in New York City, if you pay the price..

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU segment we have another “Don’t torque off the old guy story! .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 374 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- I did not carry all day every day.  I was traveling and I also had to take my wife to the hospital.  She is fine, but I had to leave my gun at home each time I was in the waiting room.  That left me thinking of the doctors I know who are disarmed at work every day.  I’m still reading the two books on the second amendment.. And carrying almost every day.  We put out another podcast this morning of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  The firearms instructor for this episode was Tony Simon. We had our 6 thousandth download.  Oh, and I was on the Lock and Load Radio program with Bill Frady  As you might expect, we talked about self-defense gun stories.


John – I’ve started reading Laura Carno’s new book How Government Ruins Everything and I like it. Having sent in my tax returns on Sunday night, it makes me grit my teeth thinking of all that money being wasted. On a happier note,  I will be attending a gathering of gun bloggers in East Tennessee the weekend after next organized by Dennis Badurina of Dragon Leatherworks. I’m trying to decide what to bring in the way of firearms. We will be spending Saturday at the range. I’m still trying to decide what to bring beyond an AR or two and a couple of revolvers. Any suggestions?



  • Much less busy….only like 55 hours of work this week, 1 kid, no football.
  • Almost made it to the range. Well, drove into it, almost made it out of the car to shoot.
  • Considered buying ammo for this really cool course I have coming up in South Dakota
  • Met with an activist to coach her on getting stuff done at the RPT state convention. Realized that’s the kind of thing I live for: helping people find processes to use their skills to accomplish their goals to give their lives meaning. <3

(Bullet strikes again. 😉 )


Gary – What training do you have coming up?

Instructors spend time at the range but don’t always get to shoot </3

Ben Branam shared this video on Facebook and what starts as an investigative stop of someone walking down the highway turns into a suicide by cop incident. While the article has many good points, there is one aspect not covered. As we all learned in our concealed carry or MAG40 classes, human nature is to want to explain what happened, but we need to shut up. As a fellow officer removes the officer involved in the shooting from the immediate scene 7:35 into the video the officer starts to explain what happened. The probably senior officer quickly tells him to stop talking, there will be time to talk about it later, as this is what officers are trained to do.

Rob- Would the officer been as accommodating to a civilian involved shooting?


Paul/Susan – Paul – My student tested out and got his own truck yesterday. I am really proud of this guy. He had some real challenges, but worked really hard while he was with me and did what it took. I have rarely had a student with such a great working attitude.


He had the truck driving equivalent of training scars. In a truck you NEVER press on the throttle while you let the clutch out. That’s a great way to ruin a heavy duty clutch in a hurry. Even from a dead stop fully loaded uphill the truck has enough torque at idle to start you rolling just by letting the clutch out. This guy had driven gas engine clutch transmissions all of his life, including racing mud trucks. A gas engine by and large doesn’t have enough torque to do that, so for all of his driving life he had been pressing the accelerator as he let out the clutch, thereby making the truck rock and jolt when he did it in the big truck. It took a LONG time but we were finally able to get that habit broken and a more positive one in place.


Promo about upcoming training classes here.


2- News 1


Judge allows suit against Sandy Hook gun maker to advance



A Connecticut judge ruled Thursday April 14th that a lawsuit against the manufacturer of the gun used in the Sandy Hook shootings, and other companies, can move forward.

A Connecticut Superior Court judge denied a motion to dismiss the lawsuit against the companies involved in the manufacturing, distribution and sale of the rifle used in the deadly 2012 shootings.

Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings on Dec. 14, 2012 to kill 26 people in less than five minutes. The families of the victims, which included 20 children, have sued the maker, distributor and seller of the rifle, arguing that the military-style gun should have never been available for civilians to purchase.

Connecticut State Judge Barbara Bellis rejected the gun companies’ argument that a 2005 federal law can protect gun businesses from civil lawsuits.

“We are thrilled that the gun companies’ motion to dismiss was denied. The families look forward to continuing their fight in court,” Josh Koskoff, the plaintiffs’ lead attorney, said in a statement.

Remington Arms Co., the manufacturer of the rifle, is named in the suit. Also named is Camfour Inc., a distributor of firearms, and the now-defunct Riverview Gun Sales, a dealer in East Windsor, Conn., that sold the rifle to Lanza’s mother in 2010.

Both sides of the case went back to court Tuesday April 19.


Gary – The trial trial begins on April 3, 2018 in two years with monthly meetings at the courthouse plus depositions and discovery; costing money, money and more money. Shortly after then we will hear the tragedy of the families that brought this suit having to pay the legal fees of Remington, although with this judge, she may ignore the law on that point as well.


John – I wouldn’t get too upset about it. All she said was that her court did have jurisdiction. The plaintiffs can still seek a motion to strike which would stop the suit in its tracks.



Rob- A maryland court ruled that ARs are exotic.. Even though they are the most popular rifle sold.  This is a judge ruling that there are two classes of US citizens.  Government agents can have automatic rifles, and civilians can’t.


Paul – even if this judge rules and finds for the plaintiffs it is likely to be struck down on appeal

John – I’d point out the Maryland ct was a Federal ct and the CT court was at the state level. In the past, the US Atty would have moved to have the case to Federal court.

Rob- Well funded plaintiffs will target small business in order to set a precedent.

It is official: You can get away with SWATting in Ohio. from Miggy

A special prosecutor is refusing to charge Ronald Ritchie for the deceptive 911 call that he made that left two people dead in Beavercreek, Ohio in 2014. Put bluntly, Ritchie’s false claims SWATted John Crawford to death, and he’s going to get away with it. A special prosecutor declined to prosecute the 911 caller who reported a man waving a gun in a Beavercreek Wal-Mart before police fatally shot the shopper, who’d picked up an air rifle from a shelf.

Special Prosecutor Mark Piepmeier released the decision on Monday.

In his decision, Piepmeier stated that a Green County grand jury heard all of the evidence of the shooting on Aug. 5, 2014, including the actions of the caller, and had the authority to indict anyone they believed had criminal culpability in the shooting, including the caller. However, the grand jury did not bring charges.

Piepmeier also said, “The original call was basically, ‘I’m at the Beavercreek Walmart and there is a man walking about with a gun in the store.’” The remainder of his conversations was mostly answers in response to questions from a dispatcher.”

Piepmeier’s findings state that the charge of making false alarms requires that the defendant knew the information he was transmitting was false, but Piepmeier did not find any evidence that the caller knew any of the information was false.

Put bluntly, Piepmeier is full of crap.

Ritchie had to know he was exaggerating when he claimed that Crawford was loading the rifle, as the magazine on the BB gun was fixed, and molded into the frame.

Ritchie had to know he was exaggerating—I’d go so far as to opine that he was intentionally lying—when he claimed Crawford pointed the BB gun at people. It simply did not happen in the store’s security camera footage, which was synched to Ritchie’s 911 call.

Thanks to Ritchie’s deceptive call, officers thought they were responding to a real threat instead of a guy holding a product that the store sold who was benignly talking on the phone. As a result, Beavercreek police officer Sean Williams shot Crawford to death while Crawford was on the phone. Security camera footage suggests that Crawford never even knew anyone was there until Williams’ slammed two bullets through his body. A woman named Angela Williams was in the store and panicked when she heard the officer’s gunfire and attempted to flee the store with her children.

Williams had a heart attack and died, another death we can attribute to Ritchie’s deceptive call.

Vile, rabid gun control groups like the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence actively advocate the practice of SWATting gun owners. By refusing to prosecute Ritchie, Special Prosecutor Mark Piepmeier is effectively “green-lighting” SWATting in Ohio.

When the next innocent person is SWATted to death in Ohio, hold the gutless Piepmeier accountable.


John – Not that I like race baiters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton but why weren’t they involved in this case. A black man was SWATted by a anti-gun white guy. Oh, wait. They favor gun control. Never mind.

Rob- We know the police have no duty to protect.  Do police have any duty not to shoot the innocent?

Gary –

John – I just hope Crawford’s family sues the pants off of the SWATter.



The French interior minister spoke this week.  He said that the ministry had learned important lessons from the violent muslim attacks on Paris and on Brussels.  The minister guaranteed that police and military anti-terrorism units would now respond to any militant attack in under 20 minutes.


Excuse me?  20 minutes?  20 minutes is a very long time.  Twenty minutes is long enough for any terrorist organization to take control of any concert venue, any soccer stadium or any major hotel.  They could have killed hundreds of people in 20 minutes.  They could have planted bombs and prepared hardened position in 20 minutes.  It sound to us that the interior minister didn’t learn his lesson at all.


Comments- The french make such sweet promises, and don’t keep them.

Rob- the lesson for the french people is that their government finds them expendable.

Gary – an armed citizenry are the distributed defense that is always at the scene of the crime.

Rachel – The french could invite a US pizza chain to also deliver guns.  That way they would arrive in less than 10 minutes.

Rob- Amazon can deliver guns by drones to disarmed French citizens.


The Obama Administration’s gun running operation called “Fast and Furious is back in the news. After years of delay, Judge Amy Berman ordered the Department of Justice to produce documents for Congress. The DOJ finally produced 20,000 pages this month.  These documents show the corruption we’d always suspected.


Here is a recap before we describe the recent revelations.  The Obama administration used the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the State department to run 2000 guns to Mexican drug gangs.  Those guns killed hundreds of Mexican citizens and several US border guards.


Obama refused to release documents when the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform tried to investigate.  Recent documents show the extraordinary lengths to which senior Department officials went to keep information from Congress. Further, the documents reveal how senior Justice Department officials—including Attorney General Eric Holder—intensely followed and managed an effort to carefully limit and obstruct the information produced to Congress.


Attorney General Eric Holder and his subordinates:

  1. Repeatedly claimed the charges of gunwalking in Arizona were false and refused to adjust the official position even after documents and evidence showed otherwise.
  2. The Obama administration politicized decisions about how and whether to comply with the congressional investigation.
  3. The US department of justice methodically devised strategies to redact or otherwise withhold relevant information about the scandal from Congress and the public.
  4. The DOJ tried to isolate the fallout from the Fast and Furious scandal to ATF leadership and the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona.. Even though the senior officials knew about the operation.
  5. The Obama administration called itself the most transparent administration in history, yet it created a toxic culture of animosity towards congressional oversight.


Gary – We know of a border agent killed because the gun was left at the scene, how many more where the criminal took the gun with him.


John – I’d like to recognize the role that bloggers David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh played in forcing F&F into the open. Mike, by the way, is in his last days. His docs have given him 4 week or less to live. Please keep him and his family in your prayers.


Rob- Socialists in Congress and the media repeatedly told us that this was partisan Republican muck-raking.  It wasn’t.  Evidence shows that whistleblowers were right.


It isn’t what you know that counts in New York City.  It is who you know, and how much you pay them, that counts.  Our regular listeners know it is hard to get a permit to own a gun in New York City.  It is impossible for ordinary people in the city to get a license to carry a firearm in public.  That rule has exceptions for people who are large political donors and for celebrities, but many of these people rent their own armed security details anyway.  Lesser human beings like us have to pay off the police.


In this recent case, they paid an orthodox Jew who helped other orthodox jews and other business owners get firearms and concealed carry permits.  What they wanted was what we all want, and what most of us in the rest of the United States already have.  They wanted the right to keep and bear arms to protect themselves, their family, and their colleagues.  In most states that takes a permit application and a couple of dollars.   In New York city, it takes a couple months and a pocket full of money for bribes.


Both the middleman and the corrupt police officers were charged.


Rob – New York has a may issue permit scheme.  That means it is up to the discretion of the law enforcement officers if they will, or will not, issue a permit.  That scheme was  used New York City to deny guns to minorities.  Now it is used for bribes.  The may-issue system works for the police.  It works for politicians, and for those with wealth and power.  I have to ask, is bribery a fault in the system, or was it there all along, for years and years, exactly by design?


Gary – You and I don’t want corruption, or should I say, more corruption, in the New York City Police Department.  It isn’t clear that anyone with a permit committed any criminal act other than having to ransom their rights back from the city.  Who is guilty here, the person who took their rights, or the citizen who bought them back?


Paul- I have a prediction.  The citizens will be charged and convicted.  The police officers will keep their jobs. And the judges will look the other way and continue the May-Issue permit system.  That is how prohibition works.


If you think that our universities are full of anti-gun professors, you would be right. The Chronicle of Higher Education is like the Wall Street Journal for universities. In an article listed under “Advice”, a professor from an unnamed western college using the pseudonym Myrtle Lynn Payne admits she is conflicted about writing a letter of recommendation for teacher credentials for Sarah. You see, Sarah has shot an AK-47 and (gasp) liked it. Moreover, she plans to get her concealed carry permit. While Payne had promised Sarah the letter, now she is unsure because she doesn’t know if she is a gun right advocate or if she is in touch with her emotions. So she is asking her colleagues what to do. What should we tell Myrtle?


John – I have a solution for Myrtle – resign! She is at that college to educate students and not to indoctrinate them. BTW where did she get the name Myrtle? It was my aunt’s name and no girl born in the last 50 years has been named Myrtle.


Rob- I agree with John.  The professor is intolerant of a diverse student body.  The professor can’t control her bigotry and she should resign or be forced to leave the faculty.


Rachel- I could write a book about all the problems that led to this issue. Instead I’d just like to say, it’s sad that shooting a firearm and enjoying it is such a shocking and strange thing in someone’s mind.

Rob- You write it, Rachel.  John and I will post your rant on our blogs.


It’s not just the professors that are anti-rights on the nation’s campuses


Back on April 13th some students at the University of South Alabama were holding a protest. Nothing new here right? Well this was an empty holster protest to bring to light the fact that students were defenseless while on campus. One of the students, D.J. Patten, the president of the local chapter of Students for Concealed Carry, was interviewed by campus policeman David Turrpa. Turrpa told the student that since he had been a student there since 2014 he knew that there were rules prohibiting weapons of any kind on the campus, then despite the fact that there are no rules saying that holsters are not allowed on campus he proceeded to cite Patten for violating the student code of conduct by engaging in activities that threaten the safety of the campus community.


Two days later, after the video of the incident surfaced on YouTube, the chief of campus police called Mr. Patten to tell him that the citation should never have been written and that it was withdrawn. An internal investigation into the matter is being conducted by the campus police and officer Turrpa has been suspended without pay for 5 days.


Paul – please check our show notes and look at the YouTube video. The attitudes shown by the campus police are horrific. I was expecting them to draw down on the 2 students at any second at the beginning of the video. Both of these officers need much more than a 5 day suspension they need to have their next job entail the words “would you like fries with that?”


Rob- One of the shows recent guests has recently been elected as chapter president for Students for Concealed Carry in Florida.  Congratulations to Shayna Lopez Rivas.


Gun Quotes

If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. ~ George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796


Gary – I found this definition of Usurpation; A wrongful seizure or exercise of authority or privilege belonging to another; an encroachment. Boy those founding fathers had a way with words that needed no explanation and yet our rights are being usurped almost daily by the President, judges and lawmakers alike.


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).



4- Interview 1 – Bob Mayne

What makes a good trainer, and why it is important for the trainer to continue to train and to take outside instruction?

Instructors need to train to keep their skills sharp.. At least once a year.

There are advanced techniques.. Techniques that are more than the basics performed to a higher standard.


For someone aspiring to become an instructor, at what point should he consider himself ready to begin teaching? How can he measure his mastery and assess his readiness to begin teaching??


Comments on instructor classes vs. mentoring method to become an instructor?


Why do students finally seek training?



5- Interview 2-

Bob Mayne unhooked

SA vs DA

Blame Ben Branam Sig229 legion

Single action/double action test

How do students select their training? (hollywood or reading M Ayoob?)


What student questions perplex you?


What teachers inspire you?


What students inspire you?

Those who are willing to learn and try


Do most of your students practice between classes?


The guns should your students should avoid.. But don’t?

A gun that doesn’t work and a gun they can’t run.


Bob, I’m going to bug you again about coming to teach in WI/IL


6- DGUs



A man stopped two men assaulting a security guard in the parking lot of a Home Depot hardware store in Texas. Armed with a pistol, the man held one of the two men at gunpoint until police arrived. The other man was able to flee the scene.

The Home Depot called the local Amarillo, Tex. police about a robbery, but before they were able to get to the hardware store things had already turned from bad to worse, reports local ABC affiliate 7 News.

The police confirmed suspect Ricky Solis, 35, took power tools from the store without paying for them. A Home Depot loss prevention officer approached Solis in the parking lot, who tried to make a run for it.

The guard caught Solis and a fight broke out between the two when a second suspect arrived to help Solis. The second man kicked the guard in the face then went back to his car to get a tire iron.

That’s when help arrived: an armed citizen. Drawing his pistol on the two assailants, he ordered them to get on the ground. The second suspect turned away, got back into his vehicle and fled, but not Solis, who was taken into police custody as soon as they arrived.

Police haven’t released the Good Samaritan’s name but said he kept Solis on the ground at gunpoint while the loss prevention officer used his own cuffs to detain him. No shots were fired and no other people were harmed.

The security guard suffered light injuries that did not need medical attention. The property was returned to the store, and the Amarillo police are still on the lookout for the second suspect who remains at large.

This is a reminder that private, and even public security forces are not always adequate and that no security is faster than personal security.

“This is hardly the first incident at Amarillo, Tex. Home Depot stores,” writes Bearing Arms. “Police arrested Brett Austin Leake after he stole merchandise and fought back against the loss prevention officer who tried to detain him”

“Police were again called to the Georgia St. store when Clifford Wayne Clardy was caught stealing merchandise and began to fight the loss prevention officer who confronted him.”



Rob- from start to finish-


Kidnapped Jeweler Shoots Driver and Passenger in Car

There’s a knock on your Henderson, Nevada home just after midnight. There’s a dark sedan parked out front with California plates. Two men say they have your employee zip-tied in the back. There is an implied threat of violence. They want you to come with them. Now.

What do you do? This is Vegas, do you gamble with your life?


It’s rarely a good idea to go anywhere with a kidnapper. Far too often, changing locations with a criminal directly leads to additional violence or death. Many self-defense instructors identify a demand to move as the point where you make your stand for your life, and fight.

However, the owner of a jewelry business voluntarily went with the kidnappers. But, there was another element swinging the probabilities in this life-or-death game. Unbeknownst to the criminals, the man had a hidden ace up his sleeve, or probably inside his waistband. Even at home after midnight, the jeweler still carried his concealed firearm. The kidnappers hustled their victim to the car, never expecting he was armed. When they inexplicably seated the jeweler in the back seat with his employee, the die was cast. The car didn’t make it out of the neighborhood before the jeweler drew his weapon and shot the driver and the other kidnapper in the front passenger seat.

The driverless car careened into the side of a house and caught fire. The jeweler and his coworker made it out – the two criminals did not.  They were pronounced dead at the scene from multiple close-range gunshots. In this high-stakes poker game, we’ll bet the shots were to the back of the head. Police are speaking with the two survivors and trying to get to the bottom of what happened. It should be obvious that in Sin City Las Vegas, there are a lot of questions still to be answered.  

What is known is the importance of POGO(™): Pants On – Gun On. Carrying a gun late at night in the home looks like it just might have saved this man’s life as well as his employee’s.  

POGO(™), it’s just not for the funny pages anymore.


Paul – I want to re-iterate something here. If you are confronted by a bad guy and they want to take you somewhere the time to act is NOW! You likely will never get another chance. The chances of you coming out of it alive are extremely slim. The chances of you coming out of it alive and unharmed are so close to 0 as to be indistinguishable. The bad guys made a major fatal mistake. They let the good guy sit behind them and did not search him for weapons. The good guy here got extremely lucky.


Good thing? Pants on gun on. I already covered the bad things. Anyone else want a crack at this one?


Home Invasion Stopped by Armed Neighbor

A Spring, Texas woman and her children were threatened with death by an armed robber who boldly strolled into their home. One of her boys escaped the invasion and ran across the street for help. That help came holding a gun. Many minutes closer than the cops, the armed neighbor ran to the defense of the family. He fired several shots, forcing the robber to flee for his life and saving the family. Sean J. Robbins, 28, was arrested several blocks away and has been charged with aggravated robbery and burglary.

We certainly commend the good samaritan for coming to the aid of his neighbors. His heroics came at a significant risk to his life, liberty and wealth. By stepping up, the neighbor saved the family from robbery or much, much worse. Good on you, sir! Yeehaw, Texas! This selfless act is part of the real West that comes with the free, unabridged ownership of firearms.


You listening, Shannon?    



Rob- swatted?


Two Good Samaritans Stop a Home Invasion And Beating

Two good samaritans heeded the desperate cries for help coming from a home in a quiet Erie, Pennsylvania suburb. They acted decisively, saving the two homeowners and a kidnapping victim, stopping an interstate crime spree, and wounding the suspect to ensure his final capture. And it was a firearm in law-abiding hands that made it possible.

Kyle Johnson, 25, started his violent spree by assaulting ex-girlfriend Brandi Shakir, 23, a week ago, leaving her with a broken eye socket and two black eyes. Shakir already had a restraining order against Johnson, who gained a felony assault warrant with the beating. None of that paperwork made the slightest bit of difference when he abducted Shakir and torched her mother’s house. Police had been searching unsuccessfully for Johnson and Shakir since Monday morning.  

Johnson travelled about 100 miles up the Lake Erie shoreline, where Tuesday morning he broke into a random home in an upscale Erie, Pennsylvania neighborhood. He confined Shakir in the home’s basement, and the violent felon severely beat the woman homeowner with a tire iron and slashed her with a box cutter. Her husband returned shortly afterward and also fell under the fists of the thug. His cries for help were heard by two brave samaritans, who ran toward the desperate situation. Fortunately, at least one of the neighbors carried a gun. During the altercation, Johnson was shot twice, in shoulder and the leg. The powerfully-built Johnson broke free and ran down a ravine where the partially lame man was finally captured. He was hospitalized and booked for attempted homicide, with many other charges pending. Shakir was also hospitalized, but released later. The female homeowner is still in critical condition with severe, life-threatening blunt force trauma to the head. Her husband was treated and released. It is not known if the good samaritans were injured.   

In a round of mutual governmental butt-patting, the FBI, US Marshals, several police agencies, the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification, CECOMS, and the Ohio turnpike toll booth workers all held press conferences to congratulate themselves and each other for almost ending the crime spree. The pivotal role of the courageous neighbors was largely ignored by the agencies and the establishment media. We suspect it was the critical, correct use of a civilian firearm that caused the media to turn a blind, progressive eye.

Or…. could it be….Shannon?   Or her puppeteer, Bloombie?  

Rob- time is critical.  You’re not equipped to react if you don’t have a firearm on your body.

John – It is good that it happened in PA and not just a bit more up the Lake Erie shoreline in New York where a carry permit would have been harder to obtain.

Absolutely true!

Paul –



Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy!

And finally, here’s another in our fan-favorite Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guys series.

Ol’ John Adams started shooting relatively late in life. In fact, he waited until he was 61 before pulling his first trigger. His first target — was an armed criminal.

It was just another slow night at Adams’ Lexington, Tennessee liquor store. That is, until two armed masked men walked in and punched him in the nose. The duo’s’ opening gambit was the typical “I’m gonna rob you, I’m gonna rob you.” “Yeah, right,” thought the jaded old dude. Then — he got slugged in the face. And THAT torqued him off; “I can hurt you if you do crazy stuff to me,” the grizzled Adams said. “I can’t deal with you hitting my mouth.”


He did deal with the life-threatening situation by grabbing a hidden pistol and whistling a slug in the general direction of the thug. “I’m 61, and this is the first time that I’ve ever shot a gun,” admitted Adams. “No wonder I shot the wall, but I really meant to hit him.” <unquote> He really meant to hit him a second time when the grumpy old man chased the pair out onto the street and fired once more, effectively doubling his firearms experience. The light-skinned criminals escaped the rampaging old guy in an older-model Camaro. Still frothing, Adams said, “He hit me like I was a piece of crap.” However, Adams’ two shots likely stopped the quote from being any worse; as in; “He killed the <bleep> out of me.”    


While we certainly applaud this geezer-riffic self-defense use of a gun; waiting until an armed confrontation before taking your first shot ever is DEFINITELY not recommended. Training and practice would certainly have helped even the odds when this old guy got torqued-off.  


Paul – I am glad that the good guy is okay, however 2 things. #1 get some training! #2 when the bad guys are running away it is time to stop shooting.

John – No one was getting his Pappy van Winkle bourbon!

Funny, CF


Rob- Having a gun does not armed for self-defense anymore than owning an instrument makes me a musician.  You must take instruction, train and practice.  It is easy.


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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


Voicemail —-


Gary – http://www.tarnhelm.com/magna-trigger/gun/safety/magna1.html

Rob – I think you’re trying to solve a training problem with hardware.  If you can’t hold, operate or aim a gun then firearms might not be for you.  There are 22 magnum semi-auto that I hope you’ll consider.

Rachel: make your decision based on your experience, not merely research. If someone recommends a revolver because he doesn’t think you can operate a semi-auto, test that out yourself.


Listener Text message


Hello all. I just wanted to take a minute and thank you all for the great job you do on the podcast. Have been listening since before you changed the name. Paul, if you ever get out to Rancho Cucamonga in Southern California at the T/A truck stop, I’d love to take you to dinner I am only a couple miles north of there. Thank you for putting out the gun policy coalitions interface on what’s happening in California. Susan, sorry I missed your birthday. I am blind sheepdog on Facebook and have a great time listening to see what you guys are doing. Good luck with mag 40 it seems like a lot of fun wish we could get him out here, but it’s kind of lost cause I think


Continuing, Paul I know you hate the term sheepdog. However, I need to be the sheepdog for my family even though I lost my eyesight 10 years ago. With the background as a gunsmith for 30 some odd years and a believer in preparation. It is I who am spearheading the keeping of food and water for the family and protection equipment and am also an extra class ham radio operator. We lost Charlie foxtrot a while back to the Midwest but we have to hold around here too. All the best to all of you. The name is John.


Paul – Mas will be in Sacramento November 30 through December 3rd with a MAG 40. I put a LINK in the show notes.

Gary –

For Gary – http://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-UV-5R-Dual-Radio-Black/dp/B007H4VT7A/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1461291630&sr=1-1&keywords=baofeng


Listener email


Hello gang,

I really enjoy your show and listen backwards (first the current show, then
the last show I haven’t already heard – I’m now on show 345 from August
30th) to make sure I’m current and am catching up on older shows too.

My purpose for writing is this. I’m looking for a shot timer that would be
able to “hear” the shots of an Airsoft (BB pellet) gun. I use one, along
with paper targets, in my garage, to practice my draw, aim and trigger
control. I’ve tried using a Pocket Pro II shot timer but it doesn’t catch my
shots consistently. I have an Apple iPhone App (Sorry about that Paul),
called “Free Shot Timer” that has sensitivity adjustment, but it, too
doesn’t register my shots consistently. Has anyone heard of a product or App
that would be able to pick up the sounds from this practice gun?

Many thanks,

Sent from my iPhone – Richard in  Kent, WA


Rachel- Richard, that is the perfect type of question to throw to our listeners.  Let’s see if someone in the listening audience has an answer for Kent.  What shot timer can hear an airsoft gun?

Rob- can you use a remote microphone to catch the airsoft sound?


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- I wrote an article about California’s new gun control legislation.  California allowed local pre-emption so cities and counties could pass their own gun laws.  As you might expect, these gun control areas are heavily socialist.  And, they are experiencing a crime wave.  More local regulation, more local crime.  One of the reasons the state politicians now spread these failed local policies across the state is to hide their failure at a local level.  The article is called Spreading Failure for Profit- the politics of California gun control.  My articles are at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland and at my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.


John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money


I did a blog post today suggesting that the Palestinian Authority should be given state representative status to UNSCAR. The  UN Trust Facility Supporting Cooperation on Arms Regulation is the United Nations agency in charge of managing the Arms Trade Treaty which impacts small arms and ammo with stuff like reloaders being licensed. If given state representative status, then the United States, by law, cannot support their funding. Given Obama how loves left-wing, terrorist supporting Arabs, I might just get my wish.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.


We would like to thank Rob and Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear Charlie on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bob Mayne for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, June 7,2015.  I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk about growing the gun culture with instructor and podcaster Bob Mayne.
John: I’m John Richardson, and texas finally has campus carry.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty we have a guest interview with Dan Roberts from the marchers in front of New Jersey Senator Stephen Sweeney’s house.. so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 332 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.
Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob dry practiced with friends Thursday night.  Shot IDPA with my G19 friday night.  Picked up some new magazines for my small browning 1911-22 saturday morning.  I talked with John Edeen about his new 10mm version of the Sig 220.  Finally cleaned my Mosin Nagant.  (Sorry it took me so long, John.)

John – I doubt the Finns had much time to clean their Mosins when they were fighting the Red Army!  The one thing I did this week firearms related was email my local state representative, a Democrat, asking him to support HB 562, the Second Amendment Affirmation Act, as it would eventually do away with North Carolina’s pistol purchase permit system. Imagine my surprise when I got a call yesterday evening from him asking to discuss the bill. He said he was a gun owner, CCW holder, NRA member, and a hunter. He went to say there was a lot in the bill he could support and would with a few changes. He gave me his cell number and asked me to call or text him with my comments if the bill changes. I didn’t vote for him but I was impressed that he took the time to call me.

Gary – Class and more shooting


Seg 2- News

-The Texas legislature completed the final steps for campus carry and governor Abbott signed it into law.  The new law requires Texas public universities to allow licensed concealed carry holders into dorms, classrooms and campus buildings.  College campuses have often sprawled across town, with a department building intermixed with private businesses and public roads.  Licensed concealed carry was already allowed on campus, but you couldn’t enter the school buildings.  You can in the fall of 2016.

The law allows universities to carve out gun-free zones in locations of their choice – establishing their own rules on where handguns are carried and how they’re stored. We will see what college administrators do with that loophole.  Private universities can opt out of the carry requirement altogether.

-There were 27 shootings in Baltimore over the Memorial day weekend. 19 people were robbed in New York City’s central park. Chicago had 12 people shot to death and an additional 47 shot and wounded over the same weekend.  That is a tragedy.  Baltimore, Chicago, New York.. these deep blue cities are the very model of progressive regulation.  In response to continued violence, the Obama administration called for more anti-rights controls.

The White House press secretary said, Quote “Obviously there’s some common sense things we could do – certainly passage of some gun safety laws in Congress that could keep guns out of the hands of criminals would be one thing that we could do to try to limit the violence.” Also, the government could improve the lives of citizens living in poverty stricken areas of our inner cities.  close quote.

They called it gun safety, but it is really about people control. The White House failed to tell us that assaults with a firearm are down.  That is why I have to ask this question.  There are thousands of firearms restrictions in these cities already, and the violence marches on.  Which criminals do they think will obey these new restrictions?

Even though people can’t work and raise a family in those examples of a deep blue progressive paradise, the obama administration wants to blame firearms for violence.  This week the Department of Justice said it will institute over a dozen new regulations to make it harder for law abiding gun owners to own a firearm for self-defense.

We don’t think these anti-rights laws will help our friends trying to live in the inner city.

Rob- DC had  violent weekend too. People shot = 9. People stabbed = 7.

John – It just infuriates me that the gun prohibitionists try to call what they do gun safety.

-In chicago, publicity seeking priest Michael Pfleger said the NRA was responsible for the shootings in chicago.  Pfleger was joined by Jesse Jackson and Brady Campaign president Dan Gross as they staged a rally outside Dick’s sporting goods in Chicago.

Gary- This isn’t about firearms safety.  There were 300 shootings in Chicago last month.  None of them were by concealed carry holders or honest citizens who legally bought a gun and had a background check.  My students don’t shoot innocent people on street corners.

These spokesmen are chasing dollars in a witch hunt against guns.

Rob- Lots of our deep-blue progressive cities have seen a surge in violent crime.

John – You don’t think some of those shootings might have been gang on gang, do you?

-Those gun grabbers in Chicago are not the only people seeking public attention.   A man carried his AR into Atlanta airport.  He videoed himself doing it as he trolled for the police.  A second man wore his Star Wars stormtrooper costume, complete with blaster, outside a school in Massachusetts.  He also got some police attention.  If you absolutely positively need public attention, then please enter a beauty pageant or buy a dog.  You are undermining the right of self-defense as you shock the average citizen.  You’re really working for gun grabbers like bloomberg while you feed your ego.


-This news should make our inner cities safer.  Last week we reported that Washington, DC’s good cause requirement to get a carry permit was enjoined by a judge.  In the last few days, I’m hearing reports that ordinary citizens finally received approval to take a class and receive a DC carry permit.  DC also said licensed carry holders could carry a spare loaded magazine.

Rob- We’ll have an interview on applying for your non-resident DC permit.

-Self-defense news may seem politically partisan.  There is a reason for that, as documented by a recent Yougov poll.  Republicans were 50% more likely than democrats to say they owned a .gun.  69 percent of Republicans say the ‘average American’ can be trusted with a firearm while only 32 percent of Democrats trust the average american.  Democrats were almost three times more likely than republicans to want stricter gun laws.

The meaning is clear to me.  We need to take more friends shooting so more democrats will stand up for the human right of self-defense.


Obama Seeks To Limit Communication About Firearms
It’s often said that those who would eliminate one fundamental Constitutional Right would have little problem eliminating others. From the NRA-ILA comes a warning of the Obama administration’s effort to restrict free speech about firearms. It reads like a tinfoil hat fever dream, but we assure you that the source is the reputable NRA-ILA. Obama is once again attacking the First and Second Amendments.

In the June 3rd issue of the Federal Register, the administration proposes “clarifying” the International Traffic in Arms (ITAR) regulations pertaining to the sharing of technical information on firearms and ammunition. Since Algore’s internet is worldwide, under the new rules any firearms data published on the web could be deemed an export of ITAR controlled information. Prior governmental permission would be needed or the poster could face 20 years in prison and a million dollars of fines. The chilling effect on free speech is obvious.

The firearm technical data would include blueprints, drawings, photographs, plans, instructions or documentation. Gunsmiths, manufacturers, reloaders, and do-it-yourselfers could all be suddenly subject to ITAR regulation. Under the proposed gag orders, your next issue of Guns and Ammo might only be a pamphlet, firearms specific websites would be blank pages. And the broad online open discussions about firearms we enjoy nowadays would only be a another fading memory of freedom.

Comment will be accepted on the proposed changes until August 3, 2015. Comments may be submitted online at regulations.gov or via e-mail at DDTCPublicComments@state.gov with the subject line, ‘‘ITAR Amendment—Revisions to Definitions; Data Transmission and Storage.” Please contact your U.S. legislators. Urge them to oppose the State Department’s attempt to censor online speech concerning the technical aspects of firearms and ammunition. You can use the NRA’s “Write Your Lawmakers” feature (link in the shownotes) or call the Congressional Switchboard at (202) 225-3121.

Please, please make your voice heard — while you still can.

Surgeon General Vivek Murthy Intends to Pursue Gun Control as a Health Issue

When Dr Vivek Murthy was being confirmed as the US Surgeon General there were a lot of questions about his sparse medical qualifications, lack of experience, untested leadership and his hardline anti-gun stance. He mollified the Senators by promising to not let his personal convictions interfere with his duties as Surgeon General.

He lied, of course.

In a recent fawning NPR interview, Murthy reiterates his statement that “guns are a health care issue.” He further states that  “Violence of all kinds is a public health issue. When you have large numbers of people dying from preventable causes, that’s a health care issue.  I want to find a way that we can reduce violence in America. … What I’m calling for is for more common sense.”

Despise Murthy’s claim of common sense, treating violence as medical issue is largely nonsensical. Common sense and statistics show that violence declines when criminals are  targeted. Regardless of facts, it is apparent that the Surgeon General will join the Obama administration’s coordinated assault on the Right To Keep and Bear Arms.

Legislation Proposes $60 Million for Anti-Gun Research
On Monday, NRA F-rated Sen. Edward Markey and our old friend Rep. Carolyn Maloney introduced legislation to authorize the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to give $60 million of the taxpayers’ money to anti-gun activists to conduct “research” promoting gun control. If approved, these studies would use taxpayer monies to promote a political agenda against a constitutionally-protected right.

We wish that if Bloomberg would like to fund additional questionably biased anti-gun studies, he would use some of his own billions rather than getting Maloney to use our tax dollars.

Rob- It won’t be approved in this congress.
Republican Representatives Preparing to Block DOJ Anti-gun Initiatives
Republican Representatives are attempting to use the Constitutional Power of the Purse to frustrate Obama’s Department of Justice anti-gun initiatives. They are preparing to use a funding bill to roll back some of the Department of Justice’s backdoor gun controls and to completely block the implementation of others.

Breitbart News has reported the DOJ’s plans to circumvent Congress with ‘more than a dozen’ new gun control regulations.  These include new limitations on who can buy or possess guns, new reporting requirements for gun dealers, and new controls on certain types of firearms. The controls also add a whole new category of persons who have to undergo background checks when estates hold National Firearm Act guns in trust.

House Republicans are planning to stop the backdoor gun control push via riders to current funding legislation. The GOP-attached riders mean the DOJ cannot get the money it needs unless the Obama administration backs down from certain gun regulations. It is not known if House Speaker John Boehner retains enough of a spine to effectively back these initiatives.

The SAF Files an Appeal in Their Challenge of Washington’s Initiative 594
Several weeks ago we discussed the SAF’s challenge to Washington’s Bloomberg Inspired Anti-Rights Initiative 594. The judge dismissed the lawsuit on what many legal scholars believe to be the shakiest of grounds. Now, the SAF has filed an appeal of the dismissal before the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals.
“We believe an appeal will result in the case being remanded for full hearing because there are serious issues at stake,” said SAF founder and Executive Vice President Alan Gottlieb. “Citizens should not have to actually be criminally prosecuted in order to challenge the constitutionality of a poorly-written law.”

We wish Alan Gottlieb and the SAF all the best in this important effort.

Harbor Freight Allows Open Carry In Its Stores
In a recent press release, Harbor Freight stated  “We understand that there are a wide range of views on ‘open carry’ and other policies concerning firearms. We believe these policies should be addressed by the appropriate government agencies—not by Harbor Freight Tools.” Based on that wise understanding of the situation, Harbor Freight will permit the open carrying of firearms within its stores as long as local laws are being followed.

We applaud Harbor Freight’s decision to respect the rights of all of its customers. And we must confess to a sudden urge for some more power tools…

Gun Quote-   I carry a weapon. I got a death threat a few years ago and was really scared. But I don’t want bodyguards. I am my own security. Country singer Miranda Lambert,

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our Bob Mayne interview.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Bob Mayne

Dan Roberts

Segment 4 DGUs

Welcome back to the defensive gun use segment

A Gun Saves a Life
In this DGU, a victim’s gun saves an innocent life. A couple walked out of a Tampa eatery and into two robbers with a gun. As the woman attempted to run, one suspect aimed his gun in her direction. The woman’s companion defended her life with his concealed carry weapon, shooting the criminal and stopping the attack.

The highwayman is in the hospital with a gunshot wound to the leg. His accomplice later turned himself into the police. The woman suffered minor injuries from falling in the parking lot. Her protector was uninjured.

Clerk Shoots at Three Armed Robbers

Three masked and armed men attempted to rob the Happy Daze Smoke Shop in Houston.  Unfortunately – for them – they did not hide their preparations any too well, and the observant clerk was ready for them. Unfortunately – for them – the clerk was armed, and he fired as the trio rushed into the store, yelling Go, Go, Go!

One of the robbers stumbled back into the parking lot, where he collapsed. His two confederates left him there to die.

It seems a clear case of self-defense, and in rights friendly Texas, the clerk is not expected to face charges.

Elderly Man Thwarts Home Invasion

A burglar entered through the window of 70 year old Ronald Dyke’s home at 2am on last Sunday. Fortunately, the Sullivan County, Tennessee homeowner was armed. Mr. Dykes said he only had seconds to react so he pulled out his gun and shot the intruder. Mr. Dykes’ home had been previously burglarized in April.

Police found the burglar at the Holston Valley Medical Center where he was seeking treatment for his gunshot wounds.

Mr. Dykes is protected from any prosecution by Tennessee’s Castle Doctrine. Sullivan County District Attorney Barry Staubus said, “It has to be a reasonable defense of your home and you have to be in imminent fear of death. If those things exist, then you have the right to defend yourself.”

Texas Woman Stops Home Invasion

A woman in Waxahachie (Wax-Ah-Hatch-EE), Texas stopped a home invasion on Tuesday afternoon. Trent Sinyard, 32, first knocked on the front door and then went to the back door where he started to kick it in. As the door broke, the homeowner shot at him through the door multiple times wounding him in the head and shoulder.

Here is where this story takes a funny turn. Relatives say Sinyard, who lived next door to the victim, was only looking for the family dog that had escaped. That must explain why sheriff’s deputies found him hiding in the attic of his mother’s home. They took Sinyard to a local hospital for treatment for his wounds and then arrested him.

A spokesman for the Sheriff’s Office had this to say about defending yourself from a home invasion. “As soon as we know something’s going on, we’re coming, but our sheriff is very adamant letting homeowners know you have a right to take care of yourself on your property.”

Woman Uses Gun to Stop Three Murderous Carjackers
A wrong turn on the mean streets of Detroit resulted in a woman desperately battling for her life. While attempting to make a U-turn, three armed thugs approached her car, jerked open the door and opened fire, putting two slugs into the door. What could have have been just another Detroit murder took a decidedly different turn when the woman emptied her CCW handgun’s 13 rounds of .357 SIG at the offenders. The hoodrats scurried away to the safety of some nearby abandoned homes.

The woman defiantly stated that; “All the residents of the city need to come together and take back this city from the thugs and the criminals that have taken over this city, and if you live in fear you’ll never bring this city back. You should be able to go anytime to get gas. This is the land of the free and the home of the brave, right? Why can’t we act like it?”

Detroit Police say she legally defended herself and, so far, it appears no one was hurt in the shooting. We sincerely applaud the woman’s moxie, but we believe she could benefit from one of Rick Ector’s Legally Armed in Detroit handgun classes to tune-up her handgun skills. Rick is training 300 Detroit area women for free.

We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.


Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion

From listener Bow in NY,

I was “lucky” enough to get a pistol permit in the state of ny. The county I’m in issues it as a “sportsmans carry” permit. Meaning I can carry to and from the range or approved hunting grounds. If I were to travel to a state that actually recognized ny permits would those states rules apply or would I be stuck with the moronic laws of my state. I mean I passed their background check and they allow me to buy guns, why only allow me to carry to certain areas?  Again only punishing the people that follow the law. Seems to be a lot of people being shot on a daily basis, funny they are no where near a range, don’t have a permit, and the guns were obtained illegally.


The next email is from Peter The subject line reads “Topic idea”

Hi Guys,

Wonder if you might think about getting someone on to talk about the process of getting a non-resident DC carry permit? I live across the river in Virginia and I do have to go into the city from time to time.

Plus, it seems like now might be a good time to inundate them with a few tens of thousands of applications.

Also, when ya’ll interviewed Bob Mayne a month or two ago, you were talking about testing a gun to make sure it’s reliable before you carry. I wonder, does that still apply if it’s your first gun, or your first carry gun? It seems to me you were mostly talking about people who have a reliable carry gun they’re thinking of replacing. If you buy your first handgun, I’d think you’d want to wring it out and make sure it’s reliable, but I don’t think that should stop you from carrying it while you do.




CCW reliability-

Good idea, Peter.  We have an interview scheduled for next week.

Paul- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I wrote about Carol Bowne’s murder and the recall effort to remove New Jersey Senator Stephen Sweeney.  The post is up at Ammoland, and my blog, Slow Facts DOT wordpress, DOT com.


John do you want to your discuss any new articles at No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money?

I did a number of posts this week regarding HB 562 which would eventually eliminate North Carolina’s pistol purchase permit system. I knew the sheriffs were against it since they’d be losing power, control, and money. I didn’t expect some Republicans to vote against it in committee. It only passed out of the Rules Committee because the chairman broke the tie in our favor. All three Republican who voted against it were both endorsed by the NRA and A-rated. So much for fair weather friends.

You can find these and other posts at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com. I have also started posting gun safety videos at my Everytown for Real Gun Safety site. The address there is everytownforgunsafety DOT blogspot DOT com.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bob Mayne for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 24th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with John Pierce about Washington DC gun owners taking a step toward concealed carry.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we finally get a chance to talk with our own Rachel Malone about her progress supporting open carry legislation in Texas.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s, a neighbor did more than be a good witness, he saved his neighbor next door from an ongoing attack and abduction. Of course the good guy had a firearm and a concealed carry permit.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 330 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Seg 1- Personal news from each participant


John – Last weekend, I went to a family reunion. I got to see cousins whom I hadn’t seen in 30 years or more. Afterwards, we took time to visit the cemetery in which my dad and my grandparents were buried. Being this is Memorial Day weekend, I want to recognize those who served our country and died in its service. I think it is important to remember these men and women. My dad didn’t die while on active duty but did have to take a medical retirement due to non-combat health issues. I do think he had a reduced life span due to the stresses of his service as have many other veterans.


On the firearms front, I added a Spanish FR-8 to the collection thanks to Ken S., a fellow NC gunny, I met through Facebook. The FR-8 is a Mauser 98 design adopted by Spain in the 1950s. Given they didn’t have enough CETME auto rifles, some Spanish soldiers were issued these rifles which had some of the same features as the CETME including being in the 7.62 Nato caliber.


Gary- Shot the AR and the Para with no malfunctions.


Rob– It has been a while.  It is good to hear you again.  I shot the chiappa rhino revolver when I was down in Louisiana.  I bought and shot the Browning 1911-22 for my students with small hands.  (use of external safties) Competed in two IDPA matches.  One with my 1911 and the second with my Glock 19.  That was fun and I learned a lot.  John, I added the slightly extended magazine release and slide release to my 19.  I like the combat sights.  Thank you for those suggestions.


Got my concealed carry permit from Arizona.  I also had two awards at a dinner we had with the San Diego Chapter of Gun Owners of California.  One was a service award.  They also had a shooting simulator at the banquet. I won a T-shirt for having the best time that hour.  In fact I was the third or fourth fastest shooter competing, but sometimes it pays to be lucky and shoot after the rush.


I was on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady.  I’ll be on his show again next Friday to talk about one of my blog articles.  I also finished a book by gun blogger Jim Curtis.  I finished the first book in his Grey Man series.


Susan-   Didn’t take the Beyond Concealed Carry class, but got to meet Bob and Ben and went to dinner. Getting ready for the renaissance festival.


Paul – Took the Beyond Concealed Carry enhanced class. Had a great time and and learned a bunch. I want to thank Bob Mayne and Ben Branam for coming up and teaching and everyone who attended.  (I want to talk a little point shooting here.)


Problems replacing the magazine while in the holster. If you have a failure don’t quit moving! (Jamming drill while in static line)


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Seg 2- News


-A federal judge said Washington DC is again breaking the law.  A year ago DC was told its laws denying concealed carry were unconstitutional.  Then the city passed permit regulations that were so restrictive only one person in four thousand would be granted a concealed carry permit.  Judge  Frederick J. Scullin Junior said that was probably illegal and issued an injunction against DC’s regulations.  Quoting Judge Scullin,


“The District of Columbia’s arbitrary ‘good reason’/’proper reason’ requirement.. goes far beyond establishing.. reasonable restrictions. Rather, for all intents and purposes, this requirement makes it impossible for the overwhelming majority of law-abiding citizens to obtain licenses to carry handguns in public for self-defense, thereby depriving them of their Second Amendment right to bear arms.” End quote


It is unusual for a judge to issue a preliminary injunction.  The case isn’t out of court yet, but it is a small step towards recognizing the right of self-defense for DC citizens.. and for visitors to DC.  http://freebeacon.com/issues/federal-judge-says-dc-gun-carry-law-is-unconstitutional/

DC Police chief Cathy Lanier said of the ruling “It’s not a huge impact for us. We haven’t had a huge number of applicants,” Chief Lanier said during an interview Tuesday on NewsTalk with Bruce Depuyt. “Our residents have been pretty clear this is not something that they wanted. A very small number of D.C. residents have applied for concealed carry.”


Rob- people are the same.


-Besides hearing cases for the district of columbia, Judge Scullin hears cases for the northern district of New York.  Before he became a lawyer and a judge, Judge Scullin served active duty with the United States Army as a paratrooper, airborne ranger, and as an infantry commander with the 173rd Airborne Brigade in the Republic of Vietnam.  What do you think Judge Scullin might do to the New York SAFE act and the concealed carry laws in New York City?


-We have another court case to talk about.  The US Supreme Court in an unanimous decision said someone convicted of a crime may sell their guns to a third party so long as the accused never takes possession or control of the firearms.  The case started when a border patrol agent was convicted of smuggling drugs.  The FBI seized the agents guns, and then refused to sell them to a third party.  The court said the FBI acted illegally and that they must release the firearms for sale or transfer.  I guess some parts of the government have to obey the law after all.



-We received news that United Parcel Service recently changed its policies.  UPS will no longer ship silencers.. even to FFL licensees.  This has always struck me as bizarre.  The US outlaws the same mufflers that are required for hunting in other countries.  We restrict mufflers that are sold over the counter in Europe.  Until our government comes to its senses, check how you ship your silencers.



-We’ve seen some state legislatures pass new firearms restrictions.  That is why we have to ask if background checks work at all?  Last week was national law enforcement week.  Of all the officers shot and killed last year, half of them were shot by felons who were prohibited from having a firearm.  The criminals used stolen guns so the thugs never went through a background check.  Criminals simply don’t obey the law.  If background checks don’t stop criminals, then who is inconvenienced and perhaps deterred from buying a firearm?  Gun laws only inconvenience honest gun owners.  Is that failure a flaw in the law.. or is it a feature that was designed in from the start?



Gary- I can hear it now.  Some fool is saying we should pass a law requiring criminals to obey the law.

Rob- The anti-rights politicians want to leave my family at risk so that crime pays.. and then the politicians want the police to fight crime.


-We have another story about a proposed gun law that won’t work.  New Jersey Representative Bonnie Watson Coleman is 70 years old.  She is a Democrat and was elected last year.  She introduced a bill in congress to restrict the sale of ammunition online.  The bill requires you to buy ammunition from federally licensed ammunition dealers.  It requires these dealers to confirm the identify of their customers with a photo identification.  It also requires the dealers to tell the US attorney general if anyone purchases more than 1,000 rounds within five consecutive days.


Rob- I typically order large lots of ammunition to reduce their shipping costs.  Do I become a terrorist of the month?


This bill will do nothing to stop crime or terrorism.   A terrorist can simply buy 100 rounds a day for days on end.. or buy from several different distributors.  In addition, our borders are wide open and millions of people and millions of pounds of drugs cross the border each year.  Smuggling ammunition to criminals would never be noticed.  Congresswoman Coleman’s bill has not chance of passage, but it will earn her campaign dollars from Bloomberg.



Rob- Could Obama impose this with an executive order?


Break –  I want to run the GRNC audio here  Let’s talk a bit about it before we run it.



Democrats Urge Background Checks on All Guns Sold At Gun Shows

Some of Bloomberg’s other useful idiots have reintroduced the Gun Show Loophole Closing Act. This old bill once again claims to close the nonexistent gun show loophole by requiring background checks on all gun purchases. However, this bill hides a devious twist: it requires the transfer to be reported to the US Attorney General. That’s the office once controlled by Eric Holder, now under Loretta Lynch, that has become one of the most politicized and lawless of the federal government.


This bill, like the Jersey Democrat’s bill to create a database of ammunition purchasers, is part of the push by anti-gun Democrats to identify the armed citizen. The reasons behind their efforts must be chilling for those that still believe in the Bill of Rights. Please contact your Representative and urge a no vote on this insanity.


John – I’m ashamed to say Carolyn Maloney is a NC native.


-Our friend Jeff Knox pointed out that the impossible has happened.  The media tells us that gun owners are both dangerous AND impotent.  We’re called dangerous gun nuts who could kill hundreds of people.  We’re also told that a citizen with a discretely carried handgun is powerless to stop a violent criminal or terrorist.  Jeff points out where the impossible happens time and again.  It happened in Garland, and Chicago, and at the New Life Church in Colorado, and at dozens of other examples of firearms used for self-defense.  It IS possible to stop violent criminals, stop terrorists and stop deranged individuals bent on hurting innocent people.  That is to meet the attacker with deadly force. While a handgun is not the best option in a pitched gun battle, there’s an old saying that the best gun in a gunfight is the one you have, because the gun you don’t have is not going to do you any good.   Jeff’s article is up at World Net Daily.  The link is in our show notes.  http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/more-fairytales-guns-used-to-save-lives/#29JOXC3y88wISmvk.99


-Some of the media understands firearms.  Author Katie Pavlich writes at Town Hall.  Katie reports on a very liberal Texas woman who bought a gun.  The Texas lady made her choice to own a  gun because of two factors: Personal security and fun.  The liberal Texan had five burglaries at her home.  The break ins cost more than money; they stole her piece of mind.  To quote her, I would wake each time a squirrel ran the perimeter of my backyard fence, convinced someone was coming for me. My dreams were all of victimization, or revenge.  Close quote.


Then she bought a gun, and everything changed. First, she was shamed by her fellow liberals when they found out she was a gun owner.  Second, she also felt safe living in her home again.  The gun resting on her nightstand became her sleep aid.  We could have told her, but I glad she learned before she was injured.



Gary- This is the power of taking someone shooting.  Their own experience pushes away the media myths.

Rob- I’m interested that her liberal tolerant friends wouldn’t tolerate her owning a gun.


Feral Youth

A Brooklyn McDonald’s was the scene of an attack that is unfortunately becoming too common. A pack of youths turned on a man trying to break up a fight between two girls. To shouts of KILL HIM!, twenty to forty school-aged teens beat and kicked the man, putting him into the hospital with life-threatening injuries. Several McDonald’s employees and another man were also assaulted. The attack was recorded by a boy shouting “Kill him right now!” and laughing. He posted the scene on Facebook, where it went viral.

No arrests have been made. Community activists are, of course, appalled, as required by their trade.  A Brooklyn mother said she’s disgusted and scared for her children. “To see something like that … it’s scary.”

It is scary – especially to someone who may be faced with a pack of these feral youths. Be aware, plan ahead – and avoid places where these types of kids congregate.


-Here is some good news from Oklahoma.  The legislature recently passed a law allowing trained school staff to carry on campus.  The bill’s sponsor was Representative Jeff Coody.  He said, “..the thinking has always been that if we eliminate guns, it makes it a safer place. The only problem is you cannot eliminate those (people) who are not willing to comply with the law. A gun-free zone is a target(…), a soft target.”  Representative Coody’s bill was supported by the Professional Oklahoma Educators.  These educators said the bill quote “(gives) options to school districts to protect their students.We cannot play games anymore. These are the lives of our children.” close quote.  The bill passed in the Oklahoma Senate by a vote of 40 to 5 and it passed the House by a vote of 82 to 12  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/21/oklahoma-legalizes-arming-teachers-and-staff-on-school-campuses/


Rob-  That is great news because of the reason they passed the bill.

Paul- It sounds like Oklahoma is catching up with Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, South Dakota and Wisconsin.


-There is more good news from Minnesota.  Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton signed several pro-rights bills into law.  At first the governor threatened not to sign these bills.  These bills had bipartisan support and the governor signed them.


  • Minnesota now recognizes concealed carry permits from several other states.  It now has reciprocity with 15 other states up from only 4 states.  That includes North Dakota citizens with a class-one permit.
  • They legalized firearms mufflers so gun owners can both own mufflers and use them for hunting or sport shooting.
  • They allow carry permit holders to bring handguns into the state Capitol area without requesting permission in advance.  In this case the Capital included a ten block by ten block area, but not anymore.
  • These new laws restricted the government’s ability to seize firearms from the public after a state emergency is declared.  This limits the ability of the police to seize firearms unless the person is arrested … and an arrest requires probable cause.
  • They allowed the purchase of long guns from any state.

Congratulations to Minnesota gun owners and the MInnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance.  Well done. http://www.keyc.com/story/29135382/gov-dayton-signs-public-safety-bill-containing-controversial-gun-provisions




-A similar law passed last week in Florida.  Florida Governor Rick Scott signed a bill allowing Florida residents to carry concealed firearms –without a permit– during an emergency evacuation.  This permitless carry lasts for 48 hours. The 48-hour period may be extended per the governor.


-Laws matter.  Chicago politicians created gun-free zones.  Chicago politicians created drug prohibition.  Chicago politicians crushed industry with high taxes and regulations.  That is a well known recipe for disaster.  49 people were shot last weekend in Chicago.  I’m sorry. http://gunsnfreedom.com/gun-control-fail-chicago-had-49-shot-over-past-weekend/5138


-We have two more judicial rulings to report.  The first said that legal open carry is not probable cause for a police officer to make an arrest.  The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that open carry is not justification for an officer to stop, arrest, identify and question an individual.  The judge went further.  He said that the officer’s qualified immunity did not extend to detaining an individual who was lawfully open carrying a firearm.  That means officers can be sued and they are personally liable for court costs and damages.  That decision, if it stands, would put some teeth into the law protecting firearms owners.



-Listener Anthony Lucafo emailed us the link for this story. A 5th grader is in a bit of trouble in his New Jersey public school. It seems that he brought some ammunition to school. Ammunition for a NERF gun.  While pulling a late slip out of his pocket a foam projectile designed to be fired from a Nerf gun fell to the floor in front of a teacher. This violated the school’s zero tolerance policy for weapons. However as the late Billy Mays would say “but wait theres more!” our young nerf gunslinger had MODIFIED the ammunition! Our young nerf marksman had stuck a toothpick into the round so that it would stick when he fired the round towards the ground! That made the nerf ammo now a “self contained weapon” by the school’s definition. Of course the school immediately moved to expel the obviously dangerous young man, but eventually decided that a 5 day in-school suspension would suffice along with a mark on the student’s “permanent record”


Paul – zero tolerance means zero intelligence. It is the single most lazy way to administrate any group.


-Let’s end the news on a positive note.  A New Jersey Appellate court ruled that cities in New Jersey may not require added forms from firearm applicants beyond the forms that the state requires.  This is the third such decision from the New Jersey appellate court.  I hope we can now prosecute government officials who unlawfully harass New Jersey firearms applicants with additional paperwork.



Gun Quotes

One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Martin Luther King, Junior, in his letter from Birmingham Jail


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.  We have interviews with Rachel Malone and John Pierce coming up.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Rachel Malone– Licensed open carry passed in both the Texas House and Texas Senate.  Then the senate passed the house bill.  This was the bill Rachel was working on for the last four years.  The Senate passed an amendment so open carry is not probable cause.  One concern was racial profiling of open carriers.

Does it include a provision that removes qualified immunity if a police officer arrests someone who is openly carrying?

This open carry bill may require confirmation in the Texas House.

Thank Don Huffines.  Tell him we have his back.

The bill would take effect 1 Jan 2016.

Some Senators will take credit, but will deny they let the bill sit.

They will claim that open carry barely passed, so constitutional carry is out of reach.  We’ll bring constitutional carry when the legislature meets again in two years.


Rachel has been working with her younger brothers and homeschooling them.  She has been busy with 40 hours of music rehearsal.  Summer break starts in a few weeks.

Rachel missed the zombie run.  She hopes to run it in the fall.


John Pierce on DC ruling

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Segment 4 DGUs


So You Woke Up Stupid This Morning?

“Honestly: That is one less guy I got to worry about bothering my mom when she’s out grocery shopping,” That’s how an Atlanta resident summed up his use of a firearm to stop a robbery.  He had pulled into a store’s parking space when a scruffy 61-year-old man slipped into the passenger seat and announced the car-jacking. The victim pulled his firearm and held the perp facedown on the asphalt until the police arrived, all the while laying down a line of smack talk. Our favorite: “So you woke up stupid this morning?”  When police arrived, you can see the victim wave them over and put his gun down. The police officer shakes his hand before slapping the cuffs on the suspect.

This textbook, and stylish, DGU was recorded on several cell phones; it’s the 21st Century after all. We add our commendations to this everyday hero – he’s a good son.


Armed robber changed his mind and wished concealed carrier a good day.

-A 49 year old concealed carrier had finished his dialysis appointment at a doctor’s office and was on his way to his car. A young man came out of the woods near the clarkston michigan doctors office carrying a revolver and demanded the concealed carrier’s wallet. at this point the concealed carrier drew his own gun and asked the 20 year old hispanic male “do you really want to do this?” The would be armed robber told his intended victim to “have a nice day”, then turned and ran back into the woods.


-A Pennsylvania woman was abducted and assaulted by her ex-boyfriend for over 20 hours.  The woman escaped and ran outside at about 10 in the morning.  Fortunately, neighbors heard the victim scream when she was attacked again in her backyard.  Rather than simply be a good witness, one neighbor grabbed his handgun and stopped the attack.  Neighbors moved the victim to the front yard to wait for an ambulance.  The attacker was held at gunpoint until police arrived.  The attacker was charged with Criminal Trespass, burglary, and Attempted Homicide.  The gun owner said he would do the same thing again in a heartbeat with no second thoughts and no reservations.  He has his concealed carry permit.



-A man broke into a Memphis home at two in the morning.  The family woke up when they heard breaking glass.  The homeowner grabbed his gun.  When he found the intruder standing inside his home, the homeowner shot the intruder in the head.  The intruder was taken to the hospital in critical condition.  Police have not filed any charges against the homeowner.



-We’ve all heard the joke about criminals failing the victim selection process.  Well this is one of those stories.  Two men tried his carjack a doctor in Jackson, Mississippi.  The doctor was getting ready to attend a shooting competition and was loading up his truck.  The doctor was taken by surprise.  He was ordered at gunpoint to drive to a nearby bank and withdraw some cash.  The doctor complied, but was able to grab one of his handguns.  He shot and killed one of his attackers.  The other attacker fled on foot.  The shooter had the presence of mind to neither pursue a fleeing criminal nor shoot him as he fled.



Another Triumph For California’s Legal System

What can you say to a Redding, California woman who was forced to defend herself against a likely armed sex offender, freshly paroled from a weapons charge, wearing a GPS bracelet, probably high on an illegal substance, who had just escaped from deputies holding him at gunpoint? You can only shake your head at the awesome effectiveness of the California legal system.


Parolee Dillon Carmelo escaped deputies by reaching into his clothing as if he was going for a gun and fleeing into the neighborhood’s backyards. The deputies informed those nearby of the dangerous felon on the loose. Against the advice of California’s elite, resident Jennifer Doolittle armed herself and went into the backyard to get her dogs inside. There, she was confronted by Carmelo, who popped over a fence and moved toward her acting as if he was reaching for a weapon.


Doolittle fired several times, striking Carmelo and stopping the attack. Carmelo continued to struggle until subdued by a Sheriff’s K-9. It is not known at this time if the woman will be charged. A civil suit is almost a certainty.

Several of the Polite Society’s staff can attest to California’s collapsing catch-and-release legal system. It’s why we urge every citizen to be armed, trained and aware. It’s also a big part of why California wants desperately to disarm it’s citizens.




Don’t torque off the old guy part 1
A 77 year old homeowner was in the shower recently when he heard strange noises. He got out of the shower to see what was going on and came face to face with 2 burglars. Apparently our guud guy had a handgun close to him in the shower as he exchanged gunfire with the burglars killing one and the other was sent to the hospital, but the condition of the second bad guy wasn’t known. One boy next door became concerned and called his father. The youngster told his dad that there were police everywhere and he had locked himself in the house. Another neighbor told reporters that she had recently been a victim of a burglary and had lost $80,000 in jewelry. The neighbor said of the homeowner who defended himself  “I think he’s 100 percent correct,They went to burglarize his house. And it’s not the first time he was burglarized.”


Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guys (Plural/ Nonsexist) part 2

Once again, we bring you a Tale of the Old Guys. Showing that it’s important to work together in a marriage as well as in a self defense situation, a couple of retirees successfully fought off two armed attacker at their Thomaston, Georgia home. Only a month before they had endured a home-invasion where they were tied-up and robbed at gunpoint. It seems that assault only made them mad — and ready for the next attack.


When the wife opened the garage door in the morning, the same two suspects ran at her from the nearby woods, waiving handguns. The Old Gal drew her own gun and whistled a couple of rounds at the suspects. The Old Guy ran to the porch and added his own fire against the suddenly unenthusiastic robbers, who reversed course with all due haste.

Kashif Mohammad, 20, and Daitrelle Saffo, 21, were arrested exiting the woods. They are facing a slew of felony charges, including Armed Robbery and Kidnapping. It is certain they’ll remember one critically important lesson: Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy — and Gal.


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Segment 5 Show close


Listener e-mail discussion No email this week, but I ran across this story that is somewhat related to our struggle. What if you called 911 and no one came AT ALL? http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=29060#.VWICK0_BzGf


A truck driver is involved in a  sideswipe accident. gets the truck under control and rolls to a stop almost a mile down the road. He calls 911 and reports the incident and complains of heart attack like symptoms No one responded to his 911 call. Nine hours later he is found by a driver that works for the same company.


-Also before we go to blog posts I want to encourage our listeners to call their Senators and DEMAND that they let the current version of the so-called patriot act die. The current funding for Big Brother is listening is ending at the end of this month and RINO Mitch Mcconnell is fighting hard for reauthorization. There has never been any evidence that any of this debacle has helped to apprehend 1 single terrorist, or jaywalker for that manner. It is time for it to go call (202) 224-3121, you don’t even have to know who your senators are, just the state you live in. (if you don’t know your state might we suggest that you live in the state of confusion and you can see the doc for meds for that.)


Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

1- I talked about the twenty thousand gun laws that don’t work, and why Politicians want to write more of them.  Politicians sell themselves in the media as in order to get campaign cash.  https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/prohibiting-firearms-for-political-profit/


2- Gary, you had your mom on the show.  She and Doris Montrose inspired me to write an article.  Supporting the right of armed self-defense is not a black and white issue.  You don’t jump from hating every gun owner to lobbying for firearms rights.  I counted about twenty steps in between.  Changing someone’s mind is moving them by one small step.. but first you have to listen to them to know what they believe. https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/how-to-change-minds-about-self-defense/


The articles are up at Clash Daily, Ammoland and at slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.


John do you want to mention anything off of your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog  you would like to talk about?


Since the last show, the issue of ridding North Carolina of our pistol purchase permit system has started to attract a lot of attention. The gun prohibitionists along with the NC Sheriffs Association are fighting to keep the law. Bloomberg is funding a media campaign to keep the law. I wrote a somewhat provocative post entitled, “If you support a law based on racism, are you a racist?” There is no question that the law mandating pistol permits was drafted with the intent to keep African-Americans unarmed and subservient to the white, segregationist Democrat power structure of NC. My conclusion is that supporting a law based upon such heinous intent does make you at least a little bit racist.


My blog can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Rachel and JOhn Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday April 12th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Susan: I’m Susan Lathrop and on tonights show we will talk with Bob Mayne.

Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and we’ll talk about some 2nd Amendment legislation from Mississippi, Arkansas AND Maine!

Sue: so climb aboard

Gary: strap in

Paul: and hang on!  Because episode 325  of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.


Ask for ideas for new logo? Send to susan@politicsandguns.com or send us a message on Facebook. 6 weeks ? (June 1st end) …. We’ll post the entries on Facebook and ask for votes to pick one. …… looking for some swag to send someone.


Seg 2- News


State Gun Rights Advancements


There have been many states gun rights advancements this week:
First, Mississippi Governor Phil Bryant signs pro-Second Amendment reform legislation. The new NRA-backed laws will reduce concealed carry permit fees, allow permitless concealed carry in purses and briefcases, and streamline enhanced carry training requirements for active military and veterans. Other key provisions of the measures include protection from federal over-regulation of commonly-owned rifle ammunition, lowering the age requirement for a carry permit from 21 to 18 for National Guard or Reserve unit personnel, and clarifying limits on where cities and counties can regulate enhanced carry permit holders.


Congratulations Mudcats!


Arkansas Governor Asa Hutchinson has signed  ”Shall Certify” legislation which compels Chief Law Enforcement Officers (CLEO’s) to certify ATF National Firearms Act paperwork for any applicant who is not a prohibited possessor by state or federal law. Arkansas becomes the eighth state to enact “Shall Certify”.


We congratulate the NFA Freedom Alliance for their excellent work, as well as the citizens of Arkansas.


Sowee, Razorbacks!


Continuing this Gun Freedom Spring, Maine lawmakers are considering abolishing a concealed carry permit requirement in the state. Maine allows Open Carry without a permit, but requires someone to have a permit if their jacket covers their gun. The bill is a way of telling Maine residents that lawmakers are not going to treat you like a criminal if you put a jacket on.

Sound great! Get on it Maineiacs!


Tennessee Governor Bill Haslam has signed legislation that allows workers to sue their employers if they are fired for storing guns in cars parked on company lots. This law specifies that the companies’ 4th Amendment property rights cannot trump the 2nd Amendment rights of the employees.


Congratulations to all Tennesseans.

Torrance Police Department’s Theft of a Gun Collection

A Federal lawsuit shoots down Torrance PD gun restoration policy.


The Torrance, California Police Department is liable for the failure to return a man’s firearm collection and its eventual destruction. For nearly three years, TPD kept 17 firearms worth $15,800, ignored two court orders to return them, and finally destroyed the collection. In that collection were several irreplaceable family heirlooms. This high-handed arrogance will cost Torrance $30,000.


It should have cost them much more.


Torrance resident Michael Roberts had surrendered his firearms early in 2010 when a temporary restraining order was filed against him. When the TRO was lifted, Roberts asked for his firearms. Citing Cal DOJ’s Law Enforcement Gun Release letter, Torrance PD refused. The DOJ’s letter wrongly implies that police should not return guns unless the person can document their ownership and the gun is in the DOJ’s database. The law simply does not allow the DOJ to impose those bureaucratic hurdles.


“It’s been an ongoing problem for years, said attorney Chuck Michel, who filed the federal lawsuit. Cities such as San Francisco and Oakland have also been sued based on the same erroneous interpretation, and those cities settled their cases and revised their procedures.” Roberts’ dilemma in dealing with a law enforcement agency that doesn’t follow the law is fairly common, said a CRPA spokesman.


The lawsuit alleged a malicious motive on the part of the department, which willfully disobeyed judicial orders in order to punish Roberts for not yielding to Torrance PD’s unlawful registration policy. A settlement was reach for more than the value of the firearms and requires a change to TPD’s policies. Unfortunately, it’s the citizens of Torrance that will pay the bill. Although It is hard to see this as anything but theft under the color of authority, police and city officials will not personally answer for their disregard of the law.


The citizens of Torrance might just want to take a hard look at their government: it seems it’s no longer a servant, but a terrible master.


[Rob may have had some experience with Torrance. Charlie Foxtrot certainly has, and pretty much considers them all <Expletives Deleted>.]


‘Boma’s Heart is Broken – Here’s Hoping Mooseshell Breaks His @$$
With his habitual obsessive use of I, me and my, Obama announced through ABC News that he hasn’t given up on gun control.

Speaking to ABC News’ chief Health and Medical editor, Obama once again blamed Sandy Hook on firearms, ignoring the mental illness that many see as the real cause. He blamed Congress, the gun lobby, the NRA and its “intense” members (Guilty!) for the resisting his laws. Obama promised to take steps toward tougher gun policies by administratively tightening up background checks, then oddly free-associated gun control with illegal drug runners. He expressed an intense desire to “chip away” on the NRA’s hold on Congress. He even brought up the tired ol’ cliche that “most gun owners recognized the need for “common sense gun safety laws.” “


It may be telling that Obama choose to be interviewed by the fawning Dr. Richard Besser on a location festooned with medical devices and…  errrr… unmoving (dead?) patient readouts. Obama might be returning to the old theme that firearms must be controlled as a medical health risk. He seems to be running out of ideas as well as time.

Obama has less than two years to affect gun control and the other hard-left Progressive causes he longs for. These next two years may well be the most dangerous ever for the Republic and the Constitution. Obama’s desperation for a legacy may prompt further unconstitutional executive orders. We must be eternally vigilant. And Intense.

‘Boma Wins Gun Salesman of the Year – Again
Typifying this misadministration’s talent for unanticipated consequences, Obama’s push for gun control backfired as the firearm industry’s demand soared.

In 2013 – the latest data available – more than 10.8 million firearms were manufactured, double the total three years before. Obama’s attempt to capitalize on the Sandy Hook tragedy encouraged a significant amount of buyer purchases, as did the gun control efforts in states like California, Colorado and New York. An unprecedented amount of  first time buyers responded to the now or never realities by entering the gun culture with a purchase.


“The surge in firearms sales in 2013 reflects both a long-term upward trend in shooting sports participation and [a] particular concern that year that law-abiding gun owners and those interested in purchasing a firearm for the first time could face tougher restrictions affecting access to and selection of firearms,” said Mike Bazinet, spokesman for the National Shooting Sports Foundation.


Dr. John R. Lott Jr., president of the Crime Prevention Research Center, said polling shows a fundamental shift in attitudes. Americans increasingly believing that the right to bear arms must be protected and increasingly see guns as a way to make homes safer.


Another measure of the change in firearms popularity is the steadily increasing number of concealed carry permits, which are said to have tripled over the last few years. Nationally, concealed carry permits have grown from 4.6 million in 2007 to more than 12 million now, according to Dr. Lott.


Americans Refusing to Feel Guilty Over Self Defense  
In an on-air editorial, Fox News’ Greg Gutfeld opined that the establishment media’s gun control arguments are increasingly falling on deaf ears because Americans refuse to feel guilty over using guns for self-defense. Many have simply realize that there are seconds–and frequently, agonizing minutes–between the time they dial 911 and the time police arrive.

Breitbart News recently reported that concealed carry is surging in the black community, and no less a prominent figure than Detroit Police Chief James Craig explained that this is a historic shift. Craig explained that Detroit residents have simply come to realize that good guys with guns really can protect their own lives and the lives of their neighbors.

NRA Throws Down Against Hillary
“I vow on this day the NRA will stand shoulder to shoulder with you and good, honest decent Americans and we will stand and fight with everything we’ve got. And in 2016, by God, we will elect the next great president of the United States of America and it will not be Hillary Rodham Clinton,” said at last week’s NRA Annual Meeting by Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre.


“She will not bring a dawn of new promise and opportunity. It would be a permanent darkness of deceit and despair forced upon the American people.” LaPierre said Clinton has long been a threat to Second Amendment rights. “She’s been coming after us for decades,” he said.


LaPierre did not mention any Republican presidential candidates, rather he focused on Hillary’s unsuitableness for the office. “One day America will elect a woman… not because of her gender but because of her character and integrity and moral fitness to hold the highest office in land,” LaPierre said. “That is how a candidate should be judged.

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews


Segment 4 DGUs

Northeast Harris County Texas Suppressive Fire

The Internet often asks just how many rounds should be carried in a self-defense firearm. The answer is: just one more than you’ll need.

A Northeast Harris County, Texas man needed a lot of rounds to defend three children and a woman from two trigger-happy home invaders. He was asleep on the couch when the criminals kicked open the door and came in firing. The man grabbed a handgun and returned their fire. Not too effectively, as the uninjured suspects ran to a waiting car and took off. The resident, who’s apparently a little grumpy when woken, continued to fire at the departing car. He expended about 10 rounds defending the lives of the occupants.

While our hero’s marksmanship wasn’t the best, his swarm of bullets did accomplish the goal. However, it should be noted that each bullet has a cop and a lawyer attached to it – the shooter is morally and legally responsible for every round fired. So – if possible – a little restraint on the trigger finger is warranted. And, if the threat has ended, and the criminals are running away screaming like little girls, don’t chase them into the street and continue to fire – get some coffee, dude.

Texas Woman Shoots (Now) Ex-Boyfriend

Don’t mess with Texas. Especially with the Texas dames.


A couple brought their violent argument to a Houston area gas station. The man jumped in and out of the car several times, hit the driver in her face, and forced the woman from behind the wheel. The man then attempted to crash the vehicle. Fearing for her safety, the woman shot the crazy, now ex-boyfriend, wounding him in the leg.

The suspect was taken to the hospital, and the woman was questioned by the cops.  Currently the police believe the shooting was justifiable self-defense. The district attorney has the final say, but the woman is not expected to be charged.

Third World Problems – Here

Reminiscent of lawlessness in Africa, South America and the Middle East, someone may be attempting to stop cars in the Louisville, Kentucky area. Late one night, a driver encountered a blockade of several cones across the roadway. When the driver got out to remove them, he was approached by three or four people. Happily, the driver had the foresight to go armed, and the potential assailants ran when the driver pulled his gun. Police were unable to find the highway bandits. Chicago police have reported several similar incidents.


Law enforcement warn individuals that if they approach a completely barricaded roadway to follow these simple steps:


  1. Lock your vehicle doors and Call 911 immediately (911 will know if there is an issue with the road being closed)
  2. Turn around and use an alternate route if possible, or wait in a secure area for law enforcement to arrive or advise that it is clear.

    We would add a 3rd: Stay aware and stay safe – and carry your legal concealed carry firearm.

    It’s a dangerous world out there.

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Segment 5 Show close

Gun Quote:

“Don’t trust politicians. Trust the NRA.” – Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke to the NRA Leadership Forum


Listener e-mail discussion


Email #1


I listened to episode 323 and during the 2nd news segment, the subject was the Oregon background check S.B. 941 and an amendment to the bill which would have eliminated the need for state background check. The amendment was submitted by Senator Kim Thatcher would have prohibited persons identified as such on their Oregon drivers license or state issued ID card. Senator Thatcher’s amendment was later dismissed without discussion and S.B. 941 passed out of committee and will receive full senate vote next week. My concern that you dismissed the thought outright “it’s a solution looking for a problem” and “I would support neither of them”. I understand No Compromise and sometimes its just plain stupid. All it takes is a supermajority and bam you lose more rights like what is happening in Oregon now. S.B. 941 will be voted on next week then on to the Governor for signing. Who loses? The law abiding citizens of Oregon. I bet in a couple months that they would be grateful to have the prohibited persons inconvenienced in having to have their license marked. The No Compromise zealots in Washington state refused to vote for a competing bill I-591 to offset the odorous background check bill I-594 and called Allan Gotlieb a turncoat. That’s right the No Compromise folks called the man that runs the organization that has done more of the 2nd Amendment in the courts labeled a turncoat.
Later in the show you were asked how you would make a private sale of a firearm? You answered by asking and making a copy of their concealed carry permit and drivers license. Well I guess your not going to sell any firearms to non-CCL persons. Would a drivers license that has information if the person is or is not a prohibited person do the same. I think it would solve a problem for me because if I sell a firearm I’m going down to the local pawn shop and paying the $20.00 transfer fee just for my own piece of mind. Paul I understand that the 2nd Amendment is your permit to carry, purchase what have you it’s the other 319 million people you need to convince and they all have their faces stuck to a phone with drool oozing out their mouths.
I always enjoy your show and wish it was a full show twice a week. I also like hearing Rob on both your show and Ken Blanchard’s “Black Man With a Gun” show. Thanks

Jim R
Richmond Hill GA


Email #2 – from Phoenix



We will have to agree to disagree on this. Perhaps it is just semantics, but I think your premise is wrong. A private sale, be it at a gun show or in my back yard, without a background check, is a loophole in selling firearms, since background checks are required by licensed retailers but not by private individuals.

When I say I am for closing the “gun show loophole”, I want to make sure guns aren’t being sold to felons. It’s a huge leap from “background check” to “registration of every firearm”. These as 2 separate things. You can run a background check and never list the firearm in a “gun registry database”.

If we all agree that it’s the bad person and not the bad gun that commits the crime, I don’t see how checking out the criminal record of an individual before selling him the gun is a problem. On the other hand, registration of any gun is a bad thing.

Just my opinions.

Ken S
Phoenix, AZ

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bob Mayne for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

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