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“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 24th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with John Pierce about Washington DC gun owners taking a step toward concealed carry.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we finally get a chance to talk with our own Rachel Malone about her progress supporting open carry legislation in Texas.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s, a neighbor did more than be a good witness, he saved his neighbor next door from an ongoing attack and abduction. Of course the good guy had a firearm and a concealed carry permit.. so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 330 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
John – Last weekend, I went to a family reunion. I got to see cousins whom I hadn’t seen in 30 years or more. Afterwards, we took time to visit the cemetery in which my dad and my grandparents were buried. Being this is Memorial Day weekend, I want to recognize those who served our country and died in its service. I think it is important to remember these men and women. My dad didn’t die while on active duty but did have to take a medical retirement due to non-combat health issues. I do think he had a reduced life span due to the stresses of his service as have many other veterans.
On the firearms front, I added a Spanish FR-8 to the collection thanks to Ken S., a fellow NC gunny, I met through Facebook. The FR-8 is a Mauser 98 design adopted by Spain in the 1950s. Given they didn’t have enough CETME auto rifles, some Spanish soldiers were issued these rifles which had some of the same features as the CETME including being in the 7.62 Nato caliber.
Gary- Shot the AR and the Para with no malfunctions.
Rob– It has been a while. It is good to hear you again. I shot the chiappa rhino revolver when I was down in Louisiana. I bought and shot the Browning 1911-22 for my students with small hands. (use of external safties) Competed in two IDPA matches. One with my 1911 and the second with my Glock 19. That was fun and I learned a lot. John, I added the slightly extended magazine release and slide release to my 19. I like the combat sights. Thank you for those suggestions.
Got my concealed carry permit from Arizona. I also had two awards at a dinner we had with the San Diego Chapter of Gun Owners of California. One was a service award. They also had a shooting simulator at the banquet. I won a T-shirt for having the best time that hour. In fact I was the third or fourth fastest shooter competing, but sometimes it pays to be lucky and shoot after the rush.
I was on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady. I’ll be on his show again next Friday to talk about one of my blog articles. I also finished a book by gun blogger Jim Curtis. I finished the first book in his Grey Man series.
Susan- Didn’t take the Beyond Concealed Carry class, but got to meet Bob and Ben and went to dinner. Getting ready for the renaissance festival.
Paul – Took the Beyond Concealed Carry enhanced class. Had a great time and and learned a bunch. I want to thank Bob Mayne and Ben Branam for coming up and teaching and everyone who attended. (I want to talk a little point shooting here.)
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Seg 2- News
-A federal judge said Washington DC is again breaking the law. A year ago DC was told its laws denying concealed carry were unconstitutional. Then the city passed permit regulations that were so restrictive only one person in four thousand would be granted a concealed carry permit. Judge Frederick J. Scullin Junior said that was probably illegal and issued an injunction against DC’s regulations. Quoting Judge Scullin,
“The District of Columbia’s arbitrary ‘good reason’/’proper reason’ requirement.. goes far beyond establishing.. reasonable restrictions. Rather, for all intents and purposes, this requirement makes it impossible for the overwhelming majority of law-abiding citizens to obtain licenses to carry handguns in public for self-defense, thereby depriving them of their Second Amendment right to bear arms.” End quote
It is unusual for a judge to issue a preliminary injunction. The case isn’t out of court yet, but it is a small step towards recognizing the right of self-defense for DC citizens.. and for visitors to DC. http://freebeacon.com/issues/federal-judge-says-dc-gun-carry-law-is-unconstitutional/
DC Police chief Cathy Lanier said of the ruling “It’s not a huge impact for us. We haven’t had a huge number of applicants,” Chief Lanier said during an interview Tuesday on NewsTalk with Bruce Depuyt. “Our residents have been pretty clear this is not something that they wanted. A very small number of D.C. residents have applied for concealed carry.”
Rob- people are the same.
-Besides hearing cases for the district of columbia, Judge Scullin hears cases for the northern district of New York. Before he became a lawyer and a judge, Judge Scullin served active duty with the United States Army as a paratrooper, airborne ranger, and as an infantry commander with the 173rd Airborne Brigade in the Republic of Vietnam. What do you think Judge Scullin might do to the New York SAFE act and the concealed carry laws in New York City?
-We have another court case to talk about. The US Supreme Court in an unanimous decision said someone convicted of a crime may sell their guns to a third party so long as the accused never takes possession or control of the firearms. The case started when a border patrol agent was convicted of smuggling drugs. The FBI seized the agents guns, and then refused to sell them to a third party. The court said the FBI acted illegally and that they must release the firearms for sale or transfer. I guess some parts of the government have to obey the law after all.
-We received news that United Parcel Service recently changed its policies. UPS will no longer ship silencers.. even to FFL licensees. This has always struck me as bizarre. The US outlaws the same mufflers that are required for hunting in other countries. We restrict mufflers that are sold over the counter in Europe. Until our government comes to its senses, check how you ship your silencers.
-We’ve seen some state legislatures pass new firearms restrictions. That is why we have to ask if background checks work at all? Last week was national law enforcement week. Of all the officers shot and killed last year, half of them were shot by felons who were prohibited from having a firearm. The criminals used stolen guns so the thugs never went through a background check. Criminals simply don’t obey the law. If background checks don’t stop criminals, then who is inconvenienced and perhaps deterred from buying a firearm? Gun laws only inconvenience honest gun owners. Is that failure a flaw in the law.. or is it a feature that was designed in from the start?
Gary- I can hear it now. Some fool is saying we should pass a law requiring criminals to obey the law.
Rob- The anti-rights politicians want to leave my family at risk so that crime pays.. and then the politicians want the police to fight crime.
-We have another story about a proposed gun law that won’t work. New Jersey Representative Bonnie Watson Coleman is 70 years old. She is a Democrat and was elected last year. She introduced a bill in congress to restrict the sale of ammunition online. The bill requires you to buy ammunition from federally licensed ammunition dealers. It requires these dealers to confirm the identify of their customers with a photo identification. It also requires the dealers to tell the US attorney general if anyone purchases more than 1,000 rounds within five consecutive days.
Rob- I typically order large lots of ammunition to reduce their shipping costs. Do I become a terrorist of the month?
This bill will do nothing to stop crime or terrorism. A terrorist can simply buy 100 rounds a day for days on end.. or buy from several different distributors. In addition, our borders are wide open and millions of people and millions of pounds of drugs cross the border each year. Smuggling ammunition to criminals would never be noticed. Congresswoman Coleman’s bill has not chance of passage, but it will earn her campaign dollars from Bloomberg.
Rob- Could Obama impose this with an executive order?
Break – I want to run the GRNC audio here Let’s talk a bit about it before we run it.
Democrats Urge Background Checks on All Guns Sold At Gun Shows
Some of Bloomberg’s other useful idiots have reintroduced the Gun Show Loophole Closing Act. This old bill once again claims to close the nonexistent gun show loophole by requiring background checks on all gun purchases. However, this bill hides a devious twist: it requires the transfer to be reported to the US Attorney General. That’s the office once controlled by Eric Holder, now under Loretta Lynch, that has become one of the most politicized and lawless of the federal government.
This bill, like the Jersey Democrat’s bill to create a database of ammunition purchasers, is part of the push by anti-gun Democrats to identify the armed citizen. The reasons behind their efforts must be chilling for those that still believe in the Bill of Rights. Please contact your Representative and urge a no vote on this insanity.
John – I’m ashamed to say Carolyn Maloney is a NC native.
-Our friend Jeff Knox pointed out that the impossible has happened. The media tells us that gun owners are both dangerous AND impotent. We’re called dangerous gun nuts who could kill hundreds of people. We’re also told that a citizen with a discretely carried handgun is powerless to stop a violent criminal or terrorist. Jeff points out where the impossible happens time and again. It happened in Garland, and Chicago, and at the New Life Church in Colorado, and at dozens of other examples of firearms used for self-defense. It IS possible to stop violent criminals, stop terrorists and stop deranged individuals bent on hurting innocent people. That is to meet the attacker with deadly force. While a handgun is not the best option in a pitched gun battle, there’s an old saying that the best gun in a gunfight is the one you have, because the gun you don’t have is not going to do you any good. Jeff’s article is up at World Net Daily. The link is in our show notes. http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/more-fairytales-guns-used-to-save-lives/#29JOXC3y88wISmvk.99
-Some of the media understands firearms. Author Katie Pavlich writes at Town Hall. Katie reports on a very liberal Texas woman who bought a gun. The Texas lady made her choice to own a gun because of two factors: Personal security and fun. The liberal Texan had five burglaries at her home. The break ins cost more than money; they stole her piece of mind. To quote her, I would wake each time a squirrel ran the perimeter of my backyard fence, convinced someone was coming for me. My dreams were all of victimization, or revenge. Close quote.
Then she bought a gun, and everything changed. First, she was shamed by her fellow liberals when they found out she was a gun owner. Second, she also felt safe living in her home again. The gun resting on her nightstand became her sleep aid. We could have told her, but I glad she learned before she was injured.
Gary- This is the power of taking someone shooting. Their own experience pushes away the media myths.
Rob- I’m interested that her liberal tolerant friends wouldn’t tolerate her owning a gun.
A Brooklyn McDonald’s was the scene of an attack that is unfortunately becoming too common. A pack of youths turned on a man trying to break up a fight between two girls. To shouts of KILL HIM!, twenty to forty school-aged teens beat and kicked the man, putting him into the hospital with life-threatening injuries. Several McDonald’s employees and another man were also assaulted. The attack was recorded by a boy shouting “Kill him right now!” and laughing. He posted the scene on Facebook, where it went viral.
No arrests have been made. Community activists are, of course, appalled, as required by their trade. A Brooklyn mother said she’s disgusted and scared for her children. “To see something like that … it’s scary.”
It is scary – especially to someone who may be faced with a pack of these feral youths. Be aware, plan ahead – and avoid places where these types of kids congregate.
-Here is some good news from Oklahoma. The legislature recently passed a law allowing trained school staff to carry on campus. The bill’s sponsor was Representative Jeff Coody. He said, “..the thinking has always been that if we eliminate guns, it makes it a safer place. The only problem is you cannot eliminate those (people) who are not willing to comply with the law. A gun-free zone is a target(…), a soft target.” Representative Coody’s bill was supported by the Professional Oklahoma Educators. These educators said the bill quote “(gives) options to school districts to protect their students.We cannot play games anymore. These are the lives of our children.” close quote. The bill passed in the Oklahoma Senate by a vote of 40 to 5 and it passed the House by a vote of 82 to 12 http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/21/oklahoma-legalizes-arming-teachers-and-staff-on-school-campuses/
Rob- That is great news because of the reason they passed the bill.
Paul- It sounds like Oklahoma is catching up with Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, South Dakota and Wisconsin.
-There is more good news from Minnesota. Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton signed several pro-rights bills into law. At first the governor threatened not to sign these bills. These bills had bipartisan support and the governor signed them.
- Minnesota now recognizes concealed carry permits from several other states. It now has reciprocity with 15 other states up from only 4 states. That includes North Dakota citizens with a class-one permit.
- They legalized firearms mufflers so gun owners can both own mufflers and use them for hunting or sport shooting.
- They allow carry permit holders to bring handguns into the state Capitol area without requesting permission in advance. In this case the Capital included a ten block by ten block area, but not anymore.
- These new laws restricted the government’s ability to seize firearms from the public after a state emergency is declared. This limits the ability of the police to seize firearms unless the person is arrested … and an arrest requires probable cause.
- They allowed the purchase of long guns from any state.
Congratulations to Minnesota gun owners and the MInnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance. Well done. http://www.keyc.com/story/29135382/gov-dayton-signs-public-safety-bill-containing-controversial-gun-provisions
-A similar law passed last week in Florida. Florida Governor Rick Scott signed a bill allowing Florida residents to carry concealed firearms –without a permit– during an emergency evacuation. This permitless carry lasts for 48 hours. The 48-hour period may be extended per the governor.
-Laws matter. Chicago politicians created gun-free zones. Chicago politicians created drug prohibition. Chicago politicians crushed industry with high taxes and regulations. That is a well known recipe for disaster. 49 people were shot last weekend in Chicago. I’m sorry. http://gunsnfreedom.com/gun-control-fail-chicago-had-49-shot-over-past-weekend/5138
-We have two more judicial rulings to report. The first said that legal open carry is not probable cause for a police officer to make an arrest. The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that open carry is not justification for an officer to stop, arrest, identify and question an individual. The judge went further. He said that the officer’s qualified immunity did not extend to detaining an individual who was lawfully open carrying a firearm. That means officers can be sued and they are personally liable for court costs and damages. That decision, if it stands, would put some teeth into the law protecting firearms owners.
-Listener Anthony Lucafo emailed us the link for this story. A 5th grader is in a bit of trouble in his New Jersey public school. It seems that he brought some ammunition to school. Ammunition for a NERF gun. While pulling a late slip out of his pocket a foam projectile designed to be fired from a Nerf gun fell to the floor in front of a teacher. This violated the school’s zero tolerance policy for weapons. However as the late Billy Mays would say “but wait theres more!” our young nerf gunslinger had MODIFIED the ammunition! Our young nerf marksman had stuck a toothpick into the round so that it would stick when he fired the round towards the ground! That made the nerf ammo now a “self contained weapon” by the school’s definition. Of course the school immediately moved to expel the obviously dangerous young man, but eventually decided that a 5 day in-school suspension would suffice along with a mark on the student’s “permanent record”
Paul – zero tolerance means zero intelligence. It is the single most lazy way to administrate any group.
-Let’s end the news on a positive note. A New Jersey Appellate court ruled that cities in New Jersey may not require added forms from firearm applicants beyond the forms that the state requires. This is the third such decision from the New Jersey appellate court. I hope we can now prosecute government officials who unlawfully harass New Jersey firearms applicants with additional paperwork.
One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Martin Luther King, Junior, in his letter from Birmingham Jail
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment. We have interviews with Rachel Malone and John Pierce coming up.
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Segment 3 Interviews
Rachel Malone– Licensed open carry passed in both the Texas House and Texas Senate. Then the senate passed the house bill. This was the bill Rachel was working on for the last four years. The Senate passed an amendment so open carry is not probable cause. One concern was racial profiling of open carriers.
Does it include a provision that removes qualified immunity if a police officer arrests someone who is openly carrying?
This open carry bill may require confirmation in the Texas House.
Thank Don Huffines. Tell him we have his back.
The bill would take effect 1 Jan 2016.
Some Senators will take credit, but will deny they let the bill sit.
They will claim that open carry barely passed, so constitutional carry is out of reach. We’ll bring constitutional carry when the legislature meets again in two years.
Rachel has been working with her younger brothers and homeschooling them. She has been busy with 40 hours of music rehearsal. Summer break starts in a few weeks.
Rachel missed the zombie run. She hopes to run it in the fall.
John Pierce on DC ruling
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Segment 4 DGUs
So You Woke Up Stupid This Morning?
“Honestly: That is one less guy I got to worry about bothering my mom when she’s out grocery shopping,” That’s how an Atlanta resident summed up his use of a firearm to stop a robbery. He had pulled into a store’s parking space when a scruffy 61-year-old man slipped into the passenger seat and announced the car-jacking. The victim pulled his firearm and held the perp facedown on the asphalt until the police arrived, all the while laying down a line of smack talk. Our favorite: “So you woke up stupid this morning?” When police arrived, you can see the victim wave them over and put his gun down. The police officer shakes his hand before slapping the cuffs on the suspect.
This textbook, and stylish, DGU was recorded on several cell phones; it’s the 21st Century after all. We add our commendations to this everyday hero – he’s a good son.
Armed robber changed his mind and wished concealed carrier a good day.
-A 49 year old concealed carrier had finished his dialysis appointment at a doctor’s office and was on his way to his car. A young man came out of the woods near the clarkston michigan doctors office carrying a revolver and demanded the concealed carrier’s wallet. at this point the concealed carrier drew his own gun and asked the 20 year old hispanic male “do you really want to do this?” The would be armed robber told his intended victim to “have a nice day”, then turned and ran back into the woods.
-A Pennsylvania woman was abducted and assaulted by her ex-boyfriend for over 20 hours. The woman escaped and ran outside at about 10 in the morning. Fortunately, neighbors heard the victim scream when she was attacked again in her backyard. Rather than simply be a good witness, one neighbor grabbed his handgun and stopped the attack. Neighbors moved the victim to the front yard to wait for an ambulance. The attacker was held at gunpoint until police arrived. The attacker was charged with Criminal Trespass, burglary, and Attempted Homicide. The gun owner said he would do the same thing again in a heartbeat with no second thoughts and no reservations. He has his concealed carry permit.
-A man broke into a Memphis home at two in the morning. The family woke up when they heard breaking glass. The homeowner grabbed his gun. When he found the intruder standing inside his home, the homeowner shot the intruder in the head. The intruder was taken to the hospital in critical condition. Police have not filed any charges against the homeowner.
-We’ve all heard the joke about criminals failing the victim selection process. Well this is one of those stories. Two men tried his carjack a doctor in Jackson, Mississippi. The doctor was getting ready to attend a shooting competition and was loading up his truck. The doctor was taken by surprise. He was ordered at gunpoint to drive to a nearby bank and withdraw some cash. The doctor complied, but was able to grab one of his handguns. He shot and killed one of his attackers. The other attacker fled on foot. The shooter had the presence of mind to neither pursue a fleeing criminal nor shoot him as he fled.
Another Triumph For California’s Legal System
What can you say to a Redding, California woman who was forced to defend herself against a likely armed sex offender, freshly paroled from a weapons charge, wearing a GPS bracelet, probably high on an illegal substance, who had just escaped from deputies holding him at gunpoint? You can only shake your head at the awesome effectiveness of the California legal system.
Parolee Dillon Carmelo escaped deputies by reaching into his clothing as if he was going for a gun and fleeing into the neighborhood’s backyards. The deputies informed those nearby of the dangerous felon on the loose. Against the advice of California’s elite, resident Jennifer Doolittle armed herself and went into the backyard to get her dogs inside. There, she was confronted by Carmelo, who popped over a fence and moved toward her acting as if he was reaching for a weapon.
Doolittle fired several times, striking Carmelo and stopping the attack. Carmelo continued to struggle until subdued by a Sheriff’s K-9. It is not known at this time if the woman will be charged. A civil suit is almost a certainty.
Several of the Polite Society’s staff can attest to California’s collapsing catch-and-release legal system. It’s why we urge every citizen to be armed, trained and aware. It’s also a big part of why California wants desperately to disarm it’s citizens.
Don’t torque off the old guy part 1
A 77 year old homeowner was in the shower recently when he heard strange noises. He got out of the shower to see what was going on and came face to face with 2 burglars. Apparently our guud guy had a handgun close to him in the shower as he exchanged gunfire with the burglars killing one and the other was sent to the hospital, but the condition of the second bad guy wasn’t known. One boy next door became concerned and called his father. The youngster told his dad that there were police everywhere and he had locked himself in the house. Another neighbor told reporters that she had recently been a victim of a burglary and had lost $80,000 in jewelry. The neighbor said of the homeowner who defended himself “I think he’s 100 percent correct,They went to burglarize his house. And it’s not the first time he was burglarized.”
Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guys (Plural/ Nonsexist) part 2
Once again, we bring you a Tale of the Old Guys. Showing that it’s important to work together in a marriage as well as in a self defense situation, a couple of retirees successfully fought off two armed attacker at their Thomaston, Georgia home. Only a month before they had endured a home-invasion where they were tied-up and robbed at gunpoint. It seems that assault only made them mad — and ready for the next attack.
When the wife opened the garage door in the morning, the same two suspects ran at her from the nearby woods, waiving handguns. The Old Gal drew her own gun and whistled a couple of rounds at the suspects. The Old Guy ran to the porch and added his own fire against the suddenly unenthusiastic robbers, who reversed course with all due haste.
Kashif Mohammad, 20, and Daitrelle Saffo, 21, were arrested exiting the woods. They are facing a slew of felony charges, including Armed Robbery and Kidnapping. It is certain they’ll remember one critically important lesson: Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy — and Gal.
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Segment 5 Show close
Listener e-mail discussion No email this week, but I ran across this story that is somewhat related to our struggle. What if you called 911 and no one came AT ALL? http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=29060#.VWICK0_BzGf
A truck driver is involved in a sideswipe accident. gets the truck under control and rolls to a stop almost a mile down the road. He calls 911 and reports the incident and complains of heart attack like symptoms No one responded to his 911 call. Nine hours later he is found by a driver that works for the same company.
-Also before we go to blog posts I want to encourage our listeners to call their Senators and DEMAND that they let the current version of the so-called patriot act die. The current funding for Big Brother is listening is ending at the end of this month and RINO Mitch Mcconnell is fighting hard for reauthorization. There has never been any evidence that any of this debacle has helped to apprehend 1 single terrorist, or jaywalker for that manner. It is time for it to go call (202) 224-3121, you don’t even have to know who your senators are, just the state you live in. (if you don’t know your state might we suggest that you live in the state of confusion and you can see the doc for meds for that.)
Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
1- I talked about the twenty thousand gun laws that don’t work, and why Politicians want to write more of them. Politicians sell themselves in the media as in order to get campaign cash. https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/prohibiting-firearms-for-political-profit/
2- Gary, you had your mom on the show. She and Doris Montrose inspired me to write an article. Supporting the right of armed self-defense is not a black and white issue. You don’t jump from hating every gun owner to lobbying for firearms rights. I counted about twenty steps in between. Changing someone’s mind is moving them by one small step.. but first you have to listen to them to know what they believe. https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/how-to-change-minds-about-self-defense/
The articles are up at Clash Daily, Ammoland and at slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.
John do you want to mention anything off of your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?
Since the last show, the issue of ridding North Carolina of our pistol purchase permit system has started to attract a lot of attention. The gun prohibitionists along with the NC Sheriffs Association are fighting to keep the law. Bloomberg is funding a media campaign to keep the law. I wrote a somewhat provocative post entitled, “If you support a law based on racism, are you a racist?” There is no question that the law mandating pistol permits was drafted with the intent to keep African-Americans unarmed and subservient to the white, segregationist Democrat power structure of NC. My conclusion is that supporting a law based upon such heinous intent does make you at least a little bit racist.
My blog can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.
We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Rachel and JOhn Guests) for joining us today. co-hosts, will you be with us next time? I’m looking forward to it. Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.
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