Episode 452 – Amanda Suffecool and Cheryl Todd

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest Amanda Suffecool and Cheryl Todd Pt 1

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Amanda Suffecool and Cheryl Todd Pt 2

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:


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1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, June 25th, 2018, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Amanda Suffecool and Cheryl
Todd about the upcoming Amm-Con 2nd Amendment media workshop.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about how state governments are legislating against you and killing your kids Second Amendment rights.

Belle: I’m Belle McCormack, and one of our DGUs is from Tumwater, Washington.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and Michael Bloomberg says he’ll be spending $80 million to elect anti-gun Democrats .. so climb aboard

Belle: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 452 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- Bill Frady and I talked about politics and guns on his Lock and Load Radio program. I recorded another episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories. And I made reservations to take my second year of FASTER training. I’ll interview with Craig DeLuz tomorrow morning.


John – Not much to report in gun news other than I’ve been talking extensively with the Haywood Co Sheriff’s Department and ATF. Huh? I had a call from a former neighbor while we were recording 2 weeks ago. He had noticed two guys around my old house which I still had stuff stored in which included some older firearms. To make a long story short, I had a break-in and had a number of guns stolen. Unfortunately, I didn’t have a safe there. Fortunately, I had the serial numbers on virtually all of them and 4 have since been recovered. One thief has been arrested and is facing felony charges.




Belle – Shot an IDPA match on Saturday, one of my last chances to play for the summer. Getting ready for Chuck Taylor’s Advanced Tactical Handgun next weekend and IDPA Bootcamp the week after that.

Paul/Susan made reservations myself!


Promo about upcoming training classes here.

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Ask listeners to listen to other shows on the network, name at least 2 shows.


2- News






Listeners, we’re not going to stop saying “They ARE coming for your guns”, but did you know that they are also coming for the guns of future generations, too?


Legislation in place in anti-gun states such as California and New Jersey does just that. Instead of banning certain firearms, they give the owners the option to register them, and then keep them. In California, it’s rifles with the so-called “Bullet Button” work-around that are in the spotlight, while in New Jersey, it’s firearms that use a magazine capable of holding more than 10 rounds but unable to be modified to 10.


In both states they say.. “It’s ok, you can keep them, but you need to register them.”


So, “why is this a problem?”, you might think. Well of course, there’s the very real possibility that a future legislature may revoke that and then use the registration to confiscate these firearms. However, there’s a more insidious plan in play here. In both States, it’s impossible to pass these registered firearms to your heirs, so when you pass away, the firearms become the property of the State.


This process has been called “Generational Confiscation” by George Lee, a San Francisco Firearms Lawyer, who said “Once a firearm is registered, it can’t be transferred, handed down, or held in a trust,” adding, “once you die, it simply must be surrendered rendered inoperable, or taken out of State. It’s simply long-term confiscation.”


Listeners, please pay attention to what is happening at your State level. The antis play a long game. Call, and email your Federal representatives to push for legislation that will supercede these local regulations.




Rob- This is like the handgun registry in California. More and more guns become illegal each year.

John – Unfortunately the failure of gun control at the national level has made the gun control lobby realize that they could have more impact at the state level.




This week, Gun Control enthusiast Michael Bloomberg announced that he was making $80M available to “Support Democrats and their bid to take over the House of Representatives”, in the coming Mid-Term Elections.


He stated, “Republicans have done little to reach across the aisle and craft bipartisan solutions. They have refused to prevent the abuse of power, and to preserve the rule of law. Consequently, I’m going to support Democrats in their efforts to win control of the House.”


Listeners, when did he not?  In 2014, he gave $50M to challenge the NRA on gun safety. It is his money that bankrolls the major and the minor gun control initiatives, from Brady and EveryTown, thru Giffords to the current David Hogg and Co bus tour.


In the past, we have seen Bloomberg-funded candidates lose at the polls but we can’t be complacent. Every election cycle they increase their local infrastructure. What can we do when there is no-one stepping up with that degree of financial support? Call and email your local and Federal representatives. Donate to SAF, NRA and your local Association. But most importantly, vote.









Paul – Done little to reach across the aisle? Like Obamacare?





A political leader in the central European country Czech Republic has drawn a line in the sand against recent more aggressive European Union anti-gun rules. A new EU “Directive” to member states tightens gun control under the guise of counter-terrorism. However, the Czech Republic has relatively liberal gun rights, low levels of crime and low levels of terrorism. Failing to obey the Directive would subject the country to EU sanctions.


Milos Zeman, the Czech President, has called for a “European 2nd Amendment” for protection of individuals, their homes and the Nation, and in particular, for defense against Terrorism.


He said that Europeans “..should have the courage to invest in our own guns.” Speaking at the Council of Europe recently, he said,  “The level of international crime and terrorism is growing. What can we do? We can invest in the police, invest in the army, and have the courage to invest in our own guns.” He continued, “My wife has a pistol, but now I am guarded by her and not only by bodyguards.


He has launched a petition to that urges the Czech Government to approve an amendment to the Czech Constitution that would enshrine the right to legal possession of weapons for “..defense and internal and external security of our state.” The Petition, and others across Europe, is gathering hundreds of thousands of signatures, but governments generally are using the Directive to impose sweeping changes, such as the banning of semi-automatic rifles.









John – I find it interesting that the formerly Communist countries of the Warsaw Bloc care more about freedom, individual rights, and gun rights than the supposedly free countries of Western Europe.





Hot on the the heels of signing six new anti-gun laws, including reduced magazine capacity, banning already banned ammunition, two red-flag laws, a ban on private sales, and a ban on concealed carry, NJ Governor Murphy has requested huge increases in firearms-related fees as part of his upcoming budget.


Listeners, you have probably understand that those who may most need firearms for defense of themselves and their love ones, are the poorer members of our communities. Governor Murphy’s plans will make it more difficult for the unemployed and the single moms to legally acquire the firearms they may need. This is particularly heartless when it comes so close after a gang-violence inner city atrocity in the State capital of Trenton, where 20 people were shot.


Governor Murphy wants to increase the price of the NJ “Firearms Purchaser ID Card” (think Illinois FOID card) from $5 to $100, a 20-fold increase. He wants to increase the cost of applying for a pistol  purchase permit from $2 to $50, and the cost of a handgun carry permit from $50 to $400 (which is ironic, given that he just signed a law that makes it impossible for anyone other than the favored few and retired LEOs to get one)


One really has to ask how these proposals will make anyone in the Garden State any safer.









John – Banning already banned ammo? Is NJ like Animal House with its Double Secret Probation?


Paul – Never forget Carol Bown

Rob- Where is the US Human Rights commission that should look at the disparate impact of these laws on minorities and the poor.

John – What really galls me about Murphy is that he blamed guns on the Trenton shooting when it was gang-related and the shooter who was killed had been let out prison this year under new regulations from the Murphy administration.




Paul – Gun Quotes

There is nothing in all the world greater than freedom. It is worth paying for; it is worth going to jail for. I would rather be a free pauper than a rich slave. I would rather die in abject poverty with my convictions than live in inordinate riches with the lack of self respect.  Martin Luther King, Jr.


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guests Amanda Suffecool and Cheryl Todd.



3- Interview 1


4- Interview 2


5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


John – This will be different from our usual DGUs because this one is personal. It involved me.


I had been told that there was a probable break-in at the house I formerly lived in but still owned. I wasn’t able to check it out until the next day. When I got there about noon, the door was closed but I heard noises coming from the back of the house. At first I thought it was a bird or wild animal. As I listened closer, it was just too loud for a bird.


I returned to my car, retrieved my pistol from the console where I keep it while driving, and returned. I still thought it might have been a wild animal until I saw a flashlight beam down the hallway and then someone appeared. I drew my pistol and told them to get out. The two thieves were very apologetic and said they didn’t know anyone lived here. Right. I was armed, they were not, no shots were fired, no one was hurt, and they quickly left on foot.  As an aside, they have arrived on foot and there was no car or truck in the driveway when I arrived.


In retrospect, there are things I could and should have done better. I let them get too close, I didn’t take their pictures, and I didn’t call 9-1-1 though I did report it to the police later that day. Comments?


Paul – You let them get too close, how close is too close?


Gary –


Belle – Tumwater, Washington

A 44 year-old man went on a crime spree last week on Father’s Day but his day ended when two men stepped in to put a stop to it.

The spree started at 4:30 PM when he attempted a carjacking in Olympia.  He fled the scene and crashed his vehicle. He next encountered 16 year-old Danner Barton.

“There was a man, blond hair, standing in the middle of the road,” said Barton. “He was running at me, told me stop. He had a gun in his hand. He ended up taking one shot at my front windshield and it nicked my thumb.”

He then carjacked another vehicle and headed to the Tumwater Walmart.

Once he was in the Walmart, he fired into an ammunition case and stole ammunition.

He left the store and went the car of Ricky Fievez.  He shot Fievez in the neck and shoulder and ordered the man’s wife out of the car.  The shooting victim was airlifted to the hospital and is now paralyzed from the neck down.

As the man moved to carjack yet another car, two men moved in on him.  Jesse Zamora was prepared to shoot the man but before he could, the second man took the criminal down.  That man had asked the police not to be identified.

He later did come forward but asked for privacy.

According to George’s statement, he did not want media attention because he and his family “needed time to process the events, ensure one another’s well-being and just love each other.”

“I felt it important to give the authorities the time they needed to investigate an already chaotic scene of events and determine the truth as best as they are able without the hue of media fueled speculation and interpretation on the part of potential witnesses. The lives impacted by this event need to be considered, whether the gunshot victim and his family or the family and friends of the shooter whose lives will certainly be impacted by his choices that day.”

George was at the store to make an exchange.  While chatting with an employee while standing in the checkout line, he heard shots fired in the rear of the store.

Noting that he has a concealed pistol license and has had “significant training in the use of firearms and some of the legalities involved in a defensive encounter and active shooter training,” he found his family and exited the building.

The gunman went past him waving and pint his gun.  According to George, “My self and another citizen carrying a firearm (Zamora) followed carefully, unaware of what he would do or where he would do it.

After shooting Fievez, the suspect headed in the direction that George thought his family had gone.  He left cover and moved to intercept. When the criminal started carjacking, George moved to have a safe shot and fired to stop the crime spree.  The gunman exited the vehicle and was incapacitated and unable to respond to commands to drop the gun and show his hands.

George directed Zamora to remain with the gunman while he grabbed his first aid bag from this car and went to assist Fierez.  George, it turns out, is an EMT and responded as his duty and training instructed.


Paul –
Rob- A pastor


Paul – Medical care

Paul – Orange, Texas

We have stated many times, “Don’t take a knife to a gun fight.”  Someone should have told the 55 year-old hoodlum not to take a toy gun to a robbery.

He went to a convenience store brandishing the toy and demanding money. It was about 2 o’clock in the morning. The 39 year-old clerk working that night had his personal handgun with him.  He used that weapon to defend himself.

Police responding to the scene found the would be robber a short distance from the store, quickly assuming room temperature.

The clerk told police that he feared for his life and police stated that it appeared to be self-defense.



Gary – London, Kentucky

The homeowner was on his way to work one morning recently when he noticed someone looking suspicious.  He had only made it down the block before gut instinct kicked him and forced him to turn around.

The criminal justice major, Anderson Ruth, knows his rights as a gun owner and as a property owner.  That made his home the wrong one to try to break into.

He returned to his house and the man was trying to get the front door open.  He knew something wasn’t right when he saw him wearing a backpack, bandanna and carrying a baseball bat.

Ruth came into his driveway and immediately grabbed his sidearm.  He kept it out of view at first. When the would be intruder started to take off, Ruth drew his weapon and pointed it at him and ordered him to the ground.  He continued to question the man while dialing 911.

Adding to the stress of the situation, according to Ruth, was that it was pouring rain while the whole thing went down.

The man was charged with criminal trespassing and public intoxication.



We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.



6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


Our 1st email with the subject line “Laws


Polite society,

I love your podcast.  I look forward to when the come out.  Listening to them ALMOST makes mowing in the summer heat enjoyable.

On episode 450 you discussed various changes to make parents more responsible for the actions of their children.  I think the premise is good. I am a firm believer that society as a whole needs to take more personal responsibility.  The first thought I had is that so many people are not aware of all the laws that are currently on the books. Those of us in the 2A community that are informed barely can keep up with our home state laws.  For the gun owner that is not actively keeping up with the laws. This will be one more thing that they may never hear about. Or only hear about from the media who spins it for their agenda.
There has to be a better way to have people take personal responsibility for themselves and their children.  One more law will likely not even make it into the minds of most of the population of the nation.



Paul –




Our next email had the subject line “Ep 450 Great show – things we all can do”


I listened to episode 450 (John Correia)

And enjoyed it.  In the mail segment there was a letter regarding the subjective matter involving which pro self defense organizations to contribute to.  I have membership with SAF, GOA, and NRA. I contribute to SAF, GOA on a monthly basis via my Bill pay service.


If the gun ownership statistics are correct and 42% of Americans own guns they could make a difference in self defense rights by just a small monthly contribution.  Using simple math let’s assume 250 million adult citizens. 105 million is 42%. If just 10% would contribute $5 / month to one or more gun rights organizations then that would equate to $52.5 million monthly and $630 million annually.  So if we could forgo one fast food lunch or overpriced gourmet coffee each month we could make a difference.


Another thing people can do is guerrilla marketing for pro self defense rights.  Buy yard signs and where legal place them in high traffic sites with snappy slogans:


Rapists demand gun control

Gun Control: Racist Roots

Criminals don’t obey gun laws… duh!

Robbers demand gun control

Why was Carol Brown, NJ murdered?

Castle Rock vs Gonzalez

Jesus & Guns Save Lives

Warren vs D.C.

How do you stay safe for 9 min.

 until police arrive?

Home invaders demand gun control

Politicians have armed security

 why shouldn’t YOU?

Stalkers demand gun control

Criminals & Politicians demand gun  



I don’t like the fear campaign, but it will pique the interest of the uninvolved as well as those who make irrational decisions based on their feelings.


I would suggest DGU news stats, but that’s a lot to put on signs, but you can put leaflets in laundromats and places where young students check for jobs.


I do think the most effective strategy has already been mentioned and that is to invite a friend who is anti gun to the range.


Also tone down the prying the gun from the cold dead fingers and similar rhetoric.  Those who are anti self defense are trying to make us monsters. We need to show them that we aren’t that we are the same as them we just place a high priority on self defense with a gun.


I do write my representatives when I can, but most are populist and only care about the next election.


For those Anti self defense proponents who ask what would Jesus do?

Luke 22:36 – He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.


From my understanding the sword in the Greek translation was for defensive swords.  Jesus doesn’t want you to be a murderer or a martyr at least that’s my interpretation.  And apostles carried swords and knives which were the modern weapon in their age.


Thanks for the wonderful podcast content you all provide.




“We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality”

-Ayn Rand


John – Show up! Use Delaware as an example.


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Yes, John, it makes a difference if you show up, and somtimes the RINOs don’t like that at all.


Rob- You are who you hire..and fire. The Republican Party of Texas terminated their director of operations, Rachel Malone. Ms Malone was a grassroots activist before she was hired by the Republican Party of Texas. She was a passionate second-amendment supporter.


Malone wasn’t released because she was ineffective or abrasive. She was fired because democracy and grassroots activism is inconvenient for elected officials.


If I were placing bets, I’d bet on Malone remaining an activist as well. Contact her at-





My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.


Nothing special as my time has been occupied with some other things so to speak.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.


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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Cheryl Amanda) for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Belle: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


Episode 421 – Amanda Suffecool and Paul Martin

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/Episode20421.mp3

1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest : Amanda Suffecool part 1

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest : Amanda Suffecool Part 2

5 – Interview Segment 3 : Guest : Paul Martin – Part 1

6 – Interview Segment 4: Guest : Paul Martin – Part 2

7- DGU Segment:

8- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday September 2nd 2017, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Amanda Suffecool about the concealed carry fashion shows she’s put on.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the efforts of Chicago to prevent a gun store from opening.

Tracy Thronburg: I’m Tracy Thronburg and tonight we’ll talk with Paul Martin about prepping.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 421 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- I read the Wren decision out of the DC appeals court. I recorded David Cole for Self-Defense Gun Stories. I carried every day. We dodged a hurricane, so it is still a little wet to go to the range. I did some dry practice indoors.


John- My week has had dual highlights. First, I had dinner – in person, mind you – with Paul on Wednesday as he was driving through with a load. Then, my granddaughter Olivia spent the weekend with us which is always a treat. I also attended the Greensboro, NC gun show with my son-in-law and his dad. My biggest take-away is that AR prices are way down – Ruger AR-556s for as low as $449 – and that the new short barreled firearms from Mossberg and Remington are big hits.


Tracy- I went to Camp Gladiator five days this week. I gave a retired husband and wife a lesson on Thursday night, where they quickly learned that good gear choices can make or break a private lesson, and I worked as the chief range safety officer at Shady Oaks Gun Range today in Cedar Park. I’m still on the lookout for a reliable source for gas for my Denali.




Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Promo about patches


2- News 1


So Let It Be Written So Let It Be Done.

In July 2010, R. Joseph Franzese submitted an application for a business license. He proposed opening a gun shop called Second Amendment Arms (SAA). Franzese bought the property advertised as commercial property, but the city now claims it was not zoned as commercial. He contends the city will block a gun shop, no matter where it’s located. The Second Amendment Foundation became Franzese’s ally and backed a case challenging a ban of firearms sales within city limits. A federal court judge in Illinois denied a City of Chicago motion for summary judgment and refused to dismiss the case. Robert M. Dow, Jr., U.S. District Court Judge set Sept. 28 as the next date to discuss damages for the plaintiff in Second Amendment Arms v. City of Chicago.

Alan Gottlieb, SAF founder and Executive Vice President, said “The City of Chicago under Rahm Emanuel is trying to be too clever by half. We would have thought by now that they would have ceased this pattern of spending tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars on stubborn litigation, but the city seems determined to be dragged kicking and screaming into compliance with the Second Amendment. Since losing its gun ban fight in the Supreme Court’s 2010 McDonald ruling. Chicago has been digging its heels in deeper and deeper, throwing every kind of legal roadblock it could in an effort to delay what seems inevitable. The city has got to follow the law and the constitution, and as long as they keep fighting, we’ll keep suing. That’s what winning firearms freedom one lawsuit at a time is all about.”


John – What Chicago is engaging in is a form of “red-lining”. The use of zoning to keep out legal business. It was originally used to keep African Americans out of certain neighborhoods because mortgage companies wouldn’t lend to them.


Rob- I agree, John.  This is a civil rights violation and it has been going on for a very long time. Why is the city’s bigotry allowed to stand?  The city demands live fire before it will grant a permit.  A judge should demand that the city open police ranges to civilian use until a private company stands up.


Gary –


So, you think you have Constitutional Carry?

If you are not familiar with the work of John Lott, you are missing out on some valuable information.  His Crime Prevention Research Center published an article addressing limitations on Constitutional Carry in March of 2016. https://crimeresearch.org/2016/03/the-very-real-limits-on-constitutional-carry/


The focus of the article is the federal Gun Free School Zones Act.  This legislation was originally introduced by Senator Joe Biden and signed into law by President George H. W. Bush in 1990.  In 1995 this law was struck down by the U.S. Supreme Court.  This was a landmark decision.  It was the first time in over 50 years that the Supreme Court placed limits on Congress’ ability to legislate under the Commerce Clause.  In 1996, Congress massaged the language and reenacted this unconstitutional statute.


This statute criminalizes the possession of a firearm within 1,000 feet of the boundary of a school.  There are exceptions to this rule.  Unloaded firearms that are in locked containers in a vehicle are exempted.  Private property within 1,000 feet of the school boundary but not part of school grounds is also an exception.  Additionally, persons licensed to carry may be exempt.  However, you must have a license issued by the state in which the school district resides.


If you live in a Constitutional Carry state and you do not possess a state-issued license, you have a problem.  You are committing a crime if you find yourself carrying a firearm within 1,000 feet of a school boundary.  Dr. Lott’s article points out the difficulty of even driving across a typical city without violating this law.  Even if you are unaware of the school tucked back in the woods two streets to the east of you, you are eligible for a five-year, all expenses paid prison term and a $5,000 fine.  Even gun-friendly states have anti-gun politicians and prosecutors in their larger cities.


Congressman Ron Paul introduced legislation to repeal the GFSZA on three separate occasions.  His bills never made it out of committee.  Can you say national reciprocity?  The more things change, the more things stay the same.  Gun control is about control, not guns.


Rob- I used to open carry in California.  You had to know where every school was located.

Belle- How is this enforced?


Truckin’ through Wisconsin

Truck driver Guy Smith of Wisconsin pulled into a weigh station Kenosha County in June of 2016.  He then found himself charged with carrying a concealed weapon after his revolver was seen in the cab of his truck.  Of course, they confiscated his property.  Mr. Smith does not possess a concealed weapons permit.  


Smith’s defense attorney, John Monroe, prepared two theories to defend his client against these allegations.  The first defense is as simple as it gets.  In 2011 Wisconsin passed a law making it legal to have loaded handguns in vehicles.  A revolver is a handgun, isn’t it?


To paraphrase, Monroe said the charge never should have been filed because the the law allows handguns in cars to be unencased and loaded.  This seems pretty clear, doesn’t it?  But the prosecutor intended to take this case to trial.  The prosecutor actually stated that the law could not mean what it said because it would invalidate concealed carry law.  The judge in the case corrected him by stating that it would “in cars.”  Again, this seems like common sense stuff.  That is true unless you are a prosecutor with an axe to grind against citizens arming themselves.


The second defense theory Monroe devised centered around Castle Doctrine.  Wisconsin, and most other states, allow the use of firearms in their home, business or vehicle.  As Mr. Smith’s truck provides transportation, a livelihood and lodging all three elements of a castle exist.  


When prosecutor Thomas Binger learned of the defense Monroe planned to present at trial, he asked for a postponement.  Presumably this was to give the State more time to prepare.


On August 28, just before the date of trial, the State dismissed all charges against Mr. Smith.  Monroe pointedly stated they were not informed of this dismissal until the defense had been prepared and they traveled to Kenosha.  As Dean Weingarten of Gun Watch stated, this sounds like a case of punishment by process.  Was there ever an intention of going to trial with this?  Or, was Mr. Smith just being railroaded by a powerful government?


After the dismissal, Mr. Smith said, “I’m just a trucker trying to stay alive.  I want my gun back and I don’t want a record, and I’m not paying a fine.  I didn’t do anything wrong.”  Well done, Mr. Smith.  Perhaps we need a remake of Mr. Smith Goes to Washington?




Paul – Just to make sure that all our listeners are aware that there are no federal laws that prohibit carrying in a commercial vehicle. It also reminds me of my own situation

John – Guy Smith still has his legal bills. The prosecutor was trying to drag it out to force Mr. Smith to plead to a lesser charge because of the uncertainty involved.

Gary – ACLDN

Rob- Guilty of contempt of prosecutor.

Belle- If they don’t pay, they should provide enough educational material to help keep you out of trouble.


Gun Quotes-  A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate. Thomas Jefferson


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).



3- Interview 1

Amanda Suffecool

Eye on the target radio http://www.eyeonthetargetradio.com/

Realize FAC http://www.realizefac.com/


The NRA said this was the first fashion show to highlight concealed carry.  Maybe it was the first for them, but you’ve done this before.

Preppers ball

Friends of NRA

You wrote the book on it.


What was your idea in putting on a fashion show for concealed carriers?

I like it because it shows we’re normal.

Hi, this is us.  Look at us.  We look like you.

News coverage was great.

It is fashion news.

You’re talking about how to hide guns.

One model was carrying four concealed firearms.

We’re commonplace.

Amanda wrote the book on building your own fashion show.  A DVD is also available so you are not starting from our experience.

Contact Amanda with your lessons learned from your fashion show.


Who should consider putting on a fashion show?  NRA meetings, NRA clubs, Women’s shooting leagues for outreach and fundraising.




American shooter magazine

A group in NY

We use real people, and plastic guns.

My cousin produces fashion shows, so I learned from her.

The NRA hired me to consult with them.  They got things done.  We didn’t meet the models until a few hours before the show.

Pictures from the show including “Fabio”.



4- Interview 2 Paul Martin



Paul, emphasize the little things you solve once you prep.  Sprains.  Cuts. power outage.  Knowing when to not enter the water.


Rob- I have flood insurance.

What is the name of your you-tube channel?




5- DGUs (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


Hurricane Harvey Mischief

As we have seen this week, while thousands were fleeing Hurricane Harvey, the low lifes came out to “play”.  About an hour after the storm made landfall, police in Corpus Christi responded to a call and found a man with a gunshot wound in the head.

It appeared that the man tried to break into the home and the armed homeowner defended himself.  The man was coherent and was transported to the local hospital.

In a second incident near Houston a few hours later, a home invader was shot and killed by the homeowner.  Both incidents were still under investigation.

Rob-  Low light.  You need a flashlight and a cell phone.


Tracy: My doors are locked for YOUR protection.

Belle- low light practice is more important than people give it credit for. How often is it dark? About half the time? Why wouldn’t you practice that skill?

John – I like the attitude of the sheriff of Ft. Bend Cty, TX https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2017/09/03/texas-sheriff-warns-reminds-looters-we-believe-in-the-second-amendment-n2376617

Belle Night sight can be a distraction too. Low light shooting is likely to be close, because of the diminished ability to see anyway. Practice your point shooting or as Marty teaches, your Default Stance and you’ll develop the necessary skill.


Evil Roy shares a story

Fans of SASS or Cowboy Action Shooting know Gene Pearcey by his SASS moniker of Evil Roy.  He recently posted this story.

Here’s a self-defense story from a friend. It demonstrates the value of awareness, presence of mind, and making other members of you family familiar and proficient with available firearms. Being a cool head doesn’t hurt either.

My friend stops at convenience store on the way back from the lake. His shorts are wet so he takes his small pistol out of his pocket and puts it the door pocket. He tells his wife the 1911 is in the center console and goes inside. A small car pulls up alongside and a guy gets out. The wind blows his shirt up exposing a weapon. The wife is not sure if it is a knife or gun but she is alerted. My friend comes back to the Suburban and opens the rear doors and reaches for the cooler. He turns around to see the guy standing very close looking very tense, wild eyed and agitated. Bad things are about to happen. Suddenly he gets very still and very slowly lowers his hands to his side and makes some idiot remark about looking for gas. My friend looks over his shoulder and sees his wife aiming a very shiny 1911 through the truck at the guys head with the safety off from the passenger’s seat. Guy very slowly mutters some nonsense and leaves. The wife did not say a word through the entire encounter. Lots to learn from this incident.

Rob- Teamwork is insanely effective.

Belle- Great example of why it’s important to be aware of pre-attack indicators.


Wrong ATM

Sierra McFatridge was outside getting her dog when she heard the crack of gunfire and saw a robber falling right in front of her.   She said, “I didn’t know where the shot came from and then he was right there in front of me.”

A 51 year-old man had just visited the local ATM, withdrawn cash and was walking home when the robber hit him in the head.  The robber had a rock.  His intended victim had a gun.

The thug got away but a neighbor saw a woman in the get-away car and gave the license plate number to police.

Police said the victim was transported to the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.  Once again the case was still under investigation.

Rob- The victim was walking with his son.

Gary- Grandma was robbed.


Man hold suspect at gunpoint until police arrive

In South Carolina, a deputy was serving a warrant for car theft when Christopher Cravets spotted the officer and ran from the scene.  He was wanted on an armed robbery charge. The deputy called for backup and multiple agencies responded.  The manhunt was on.

Charles Belcher had gone to visit his girlfriend in the area and she informed him of the ongoing manhunt.  He retrieved his gun from his truck and went back inside.

He then went outside to check the property.  He spotted Cravets hiding in the back of an Explorer in a carport on the property.  He ordered the man out of the SUV and to lay face down on the ground.  He then held him at gunpoint until the police arrived.

“The only thing I was worried about is if he had a gun and if he was going to try to shoot me,” Belcher added.


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


Text message #1


Greetings all! Nice to have all the new voices on the show. All the best to Rachel in her new endeavor. I am getting a motorcycle and am wondering what others do who are disarmed at work. Thanks in advance. Also, even though I am disarmed at work , the vehicle I drive is 80,000 pounds. How many grains is that you math people!


Al the Iron Range trucker


560 million grains!



Email from Dr Sean


Ok folks I have tried to stay out of the 1911 “discussion” but….allow me to go back a few episodes.  You had a guest who was trying to decide between a Springfield EMP and the range officer.  I own both and would suggest either or both for anyone.  The EMP is nice for CCW when you have light clothes or need deeper concealment.  The range officer is great to have a full size 1911 on your hip.  Buy both and you can choose each day.  They feel the same in your hand and function exactly the same.  The only difference is the recoil.


ok Paul I have to agree with you on wanting a 64 1/2 Mustang (I would love one too) but anytime we compare cars and guns we run into problems.  So if we are going to compare a 64 1/2 mustang and a new car the difference we see is a huge increase in government regulation and safety features as well as digitalization.  So I’m afraid you would have to compare the 1911 to a “smart gun” in that comparison.  I don’t think any of us want a smart gun!!  

I’ll agree with Belle “1911 finest handgun known to man”, but I also like to take my wife’s XD mod2 out for some target shooting too.  She carries hers all the time and loves it.

All in all, carry what you practice with, practice and get training often and above all else POGO!!

Thanks for all you do and see you at GRPC.

Dr. Sean


Sean D. Brodale DO


Barton carries in his truck!


Hey crew,

It has been 7 years since I have had interaction with the DOT but today was my lucky day. The Officer approached from the passenger side and asked if we could pull off into the truck stop parking lot a few blocks up. For Paul’s benefit we do 99%of our Excavation work in Barron county WI so we don’t see scales ever. Before he left I informed the officer of my Glock 22 as I openly carry. When we got to the parking lot and he started the inspection he and I had a wonderful chat about firearms as he cited me for a non approved air line splice and let the few other things go with a warning provided they are fixed within 15 days. Be polite with officers and do what they say always but especially when armed. This gentleman was polite as we chatted about guns walking around the truck and trailer looking at the needed repairs. Enjoy your night!


Barton in  Wisconsin



Jake writes in about safeties on firearms


I understand where he is coming from, but I have to disagree with Paul on manual safeties on concealed carry firearms.  I have carried for years with a fullsize with no manual safety and a subcompact with manual safety (depending on the season, what I’m wearing, and the required level of concealment).  If you ever observe me when shooting, you will notice on every gun, even those without when I draw or otherwise prepare to fire, my thumb swipes downwards on the left side of my gun as if disengaging a safety, and ends in a proper shooting grip.  On guns without safeties, it doesn’t cost me anything in terms of time or mental effort, and of course it’s necessary on guns without safeties.


I’m beginning to change my mind on the usefulness of safeties and DA/SA guns purely for additional safety when reholstering.  Reholstering is the most dangerous gun handling task we commonly do, and a stray string from a sweatshirt, piece of brass, rock, fold of a t-shirt, or any number of other things could get stuck inside the holster or trigger guard on holstering and cause an accidental discharge.  With a hamer-down DA/SA gun, you can keep your thumb on the rear of the hammer so you feel it begin to move if the trigger is pressed by anything, and with a gun with a safety, you can physically stop the trigger from moving.  If I want to carry with the safety off, I can toggle the safety on, holster, then withdraw just far enough to disengage the safety before reholstering.  Lately, though, I just keep the safety on – I instinctively disengage it on drawing anyway.


Just my $0.02.

Jake (Formerly from Iowa)


Belle- 1911s are…The Finest Handgun Known to Man? Too much of a broken record?

Tracy- 2011s are..TOO BIG FOR MY HAND.

Rob- Jake, I have the same habit.

John – http://www.guns.com/2015/07/13/the-gadget-for-glocks-a-safer-way-to-re-holster-video/



Dr Sean writes in again


Just wanted to thank Tim Crosnoe for his elaboration of natural point of aim as it is sometimes talked about in pistol shooting.  I had begun to wonder how NPOA could be used in pistol shooting as the shoulders are mostly muscular joints.  This seemed contradictory to the NPOA we learn at Appleseed which takes the muscles out and relies on the sling and bones to get an NPOA.  It’s nice to know that I’m not the only one thinking about NPOA as it is different in pistol shooting vs rifle shooting.  Thanks to Tim

Dr. Sean

Sean D. Brodale DO


Rob- We use NPOA in target shooting a lot.

Belle- NPOA in pistol is similar to the default stance


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- I completed my series called “Government Fees Discourage Concealed Carry.”  In shall issue states, our concealed carry laws and fees disarmed 8 million of us.  I also asked if “Gun Laws are Really Common Sense..or More of the Same Stupid Stuff?” Do these regulations disarm criminals or disarm honest gun owners?  Do they do more harm than good?


That and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money?


For those who like a little bit of history with their firearms, I did a post on a lesser known trench gun, the Remington 10, used by the American army in World War One. Only about 3,500 of these bottom ejecting pump shotguns were made. They also came with a 17” bayonet. Moving from the old to the new, Century Arms released a product safety warning regarding their Canik line of 9mm pistols. Owners are warned that repeated dropping of the pistol could damage internal parts. Century will release a severe duty upgrade by Sept 8th.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.


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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Amanda Suffecool and Paul Martin for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Jae, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Craig, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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