Episode 352 – Watch Those Finger Guns!

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest Adriel Michaud

Interview Segment 2: Guest B.C. Scott

DGU Segment:

Email and Show Close:

 

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to episode 352 sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on October 25th, 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Hillary and her proposal for the “Australian” model of gun control
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll visit with author B.C. Scott about his book, Continental Divide: Forgotten.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a CPL holder that got his license just in time .. so climb aboard
Rachel: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul:  episode 352 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

John – This week has been tied up with business. On Monday I had to attend a district meeting for my company. The one thing I like about people in my district is that they aren’t anti-gun. Indeed, one of my co-workers wanted to show me a video he took of him shooting with his new suppressor. It’s good to work where you don’t have to hide your pro-gun views from your co-workers.

Other than that, I haven’t really done anything gun related.sigh.

Rachel – Finally, lots of guns & politics news! The highlights: Appleseed shoot in Fredericksburg, new monthly meet-up/training with Lone Star Gun Rights, and a new holster that I absolutely LOVE for concealed carry – check my facebook page for pictures and a full review this week.

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

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Seg 2- News

Hillary Clinton For President

Barring a well deserved, but politically unlikely, FBI Server-gate indictment, Hillary Clinton will be the Democrat candidate for President. Joe Biden blinked, Jim Webb found himself at odds with the current party, and Lincoln Chafee wandered off in confusion. Bernie Sanders and the other non-entities still running are likely no threat to the Clinton machine.

In November ‘16, Americans will likely have a choice between two very different directions for the country. Restricting gun rights has already been targeted by candidate Clinton as a major portion of her campaign. She has proposed the Australian model of gun control, with it’s door-to-door confiscation of firearms and destruction of the citizenry’s Constitutional Rights.    

If you do not agree with the elimination of your Rights, now is the time to get involved. Support the candidates of your choice in national, state and local contests. Join organizations that speak your values, and contribute your money and especially your time. Now is the time to fight – before the doors are kicked in.      

John – I notice that Hillary’s spokeswoman tried to walk back off some of the comments about gun confiscation.

Ben Carson

Presidential candidate Ben Carson has a very different take than Hillary on the 2nd Amendment.  

Dr Carson said that logic and common sense make clear that it’s time to talk about eliminating gun free zones, not guns.  He observed that a lot of these shooters are people who are mentally unstable, but they’re not so unstable that they don’t recognize that if I’m going to kill a lot of people, I need to go to a place where people are not likely to have guns and kill me.  We should be concerned about [these tragedies] so let’s sit down and let’s talk about reasonable ways to prevent this from happening without infringing on our 2nd Amendment rights. He added, that’s what intelligent people do.

And that’s probably why Hillary doesn’t.  

Rachel-Carson hasn’t always had pro-gun rhetoric. In fact, he has some disturbing statements about not wanting people to be able to have semi-automatic firearms.

John – So has Jeb Bush whose campaign seems to be imploding.

NRA More Popular Than Obama or Hillary

Despite decades of political demonization, a new Gallup Poll shows The National Rifle Association is much more popular than Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama. 58% of Americans said they have a favorable view of the gun rights organization, while 35% said they have an unfavorable view. Seven percent were undecided. By contrast, Less than 50% of the populace supports Obama, while only 39% favor Hillary.  

CF – I’m amazed that toe fungus isn’t more popular than Hillary.  

John – I got the results of a poll taken of NH voters.

New York and Connecticut Anti Gun Law Upheld

On Monday the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit upheld most of the 2013 arms prohibition laws enacted in New York and Connecticut. According to David Kopel, the 2nd Circuit decision exemplifies the pattern in many lower federal courts of defying the Supreme Court’s admonition in McDonald v. Chicago that the Second Amendment is not “a second-class right, subject to an entirely different body of rules than the other Bill of Rights guarantees.” The approach of some lower courts seems to be that Heller stands for little beyond its holding that handgun bans are unconstitutional.

It is all very interesting reading – and very detailed. We recommend that our listeners read the entire excellent article at the link in the show notes. However, as a take-away, one of the underlying themes is that Elections Have Consequences. The President gets to appoint the federal judges, including those in the Supreme Court. Who you elect – or allow to be elected due to non-participation – is very important!

Gallup’s Annual Crime Poll

Another Gallup poll, the Annual Crime Poll, also had some interesting results. 56% of Americans say more concealed weapons would make country safer. And all political candidates should take note that more than one in four U.S. registered voters (26%) say they would only vote for a candidate who shares their views on gun control — about double the 11% to 15% who said this in the year after the 1999 Columbine High School massacre.

However, the public’s support for Universal Background Checks and a centralized database is strong. Even though they are uncertain that the background checks would actually reduce the number of mass shootings.

It seems we have more education to do.

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Lucky Gunner Reviews Self-Defense Cartridges

Here’s another article our listeners absolutely need to read. Lucky Gunner has tested 117 self-defense cartridges. Put a little science in your duty pistol. Link is in the show notes.

John  – Lucky Gunner is a good company. I don’t say this because my blog is one of their affiliates, I say it because they stood up to the Brady Campaign when they were sued over selling ammo to the Aurora, Colorado theater killer.

Finger Gun Forces Emergency Landing

A San Jose to DFW flight was diverted to Phoenix because of an unruly, armed  passenger. The passenger who allegedly boarded the flight already in his cups, became belligerent when the attendant would not serve him any more alcohol. The plane was diverted when the man produced a gun and was then subdued by several men.

It was not know how the 26-year-old passenger was able to get his weapon past TSA. There are reports that he had it in-hand when he went through the security theatre checkpoint. However, it’s unclear if it can be legally considered an arm, because technically, it was attached to his hand. Which is where most of us keep our fingers. The weapon that diverted a flight, burned tens of thousands of dollars, and delayed 96 passengers — was a finger gun. The very same fearsome weapon that has armed generations of 4-year-olds.  

After the landing, a shamed-faced American Airlines refused to prosecute, released the plane, and sent the drunk to a hotel to sober up. He’ll continue his flight later. After all, It could have been much, much worse – the man might have been armed with a Pop Tart gun.  

CF – Our society has become insanely hoplophobic if a finger-gun requires the emergency diversion of an airplane.   

Hearing Protection Act of 2015 Introduced

Rep. Matt Salmon, Republican from Arizona, introduced HR 3799 this week. It is called the Hearing Protection Act of 2015. The bill, if it becomes law, will remove suppressors and silencers from the purview of the National Firearms act. Even though they really aren’t firearms, they would now be treated like any other firearm and you would go through a NICS check. You would no longer have to pay the $200 tax nor would you have to wait 6-9 months for a background check to be completed.

The bill would also preempt state laws that would tax or require registration of suppressors. It would also refund the $200 tax if paid after October 22nd.

The Hearing Protection Act has the support of both the American Suppressor Association and the National Rifle Association. The support of the NRA is significant as they haven’t been pro-suppressor in the past.

John – As I’ve mentioned in the past on this podcast, I have some hearing impairment due to shooting without hearing protection when I was in my teens and 20s. I am a strong supporter of this bill and would urge our listeners to contact their representatives and Senators to push this bill.

Rachel. – You can use PopVox to send a letter to your congressman and state’s senators.

Rachel- Straight from the CDC, recommendations for preventing hearing loss – “If state law permits, consider providing noise suppressors for gun barrels”

CF – Teach your family and friends the importance of hearing and eye protection. We were young and stupid and ignored our eyes and ears out of machismo. Now that we’re old and stupid, we know better.

Gun Quote

“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.”

– Noah Webster, An Examination into the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, 1787

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).

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Segment 3 Interviews

Our guest today is Adriel Michaud (me-show) of Slam Fire Radio. We asked Adriel on the show today to talk about the recent national elections in Canada and their impact on Canadian gun owners.

Welcome Adriel

The Liberal Party won a big majority in this week’s election. The Conservative Party under PM Stephen Harper suffered a big loss.

Will this be a loss for gun owners in Canada and if so why?

Part of the Liberal Party’s platform involved gun control. Do you think the gun registry will be coming back?

What other impediments will gun owners in Canada face?

I listened to an interview with the director of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and he seemed quite concerned with UN marking requirements. Why is that an issue?

What is the role of bureaucrats and the RCMP in gun regulations in Canada?

Where do Canadian gun owners and enthusiasts go from here?

The Hunting Gear Guy:

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Segment 4 DGUs

CCW Holder Shoots an Attacker In Front of His House

Alertness and preparation likely saved a Toledo, Ohio man from serious injury or worse.  

The 21-year-old pulled into his driveway after his late night shift as a welder. A car slowing down in front of his house concerned him enough to put his legally carried CCW pistol in his pocket. Going toward his house, he was rushed by a robber, who leveled his pistol at the victim’s head and shouted “Don’t move!” In that deadly situation, the victim refused the thief’s order and moved decisively.  “He was a little quicker on the draw and he shot the suspect,” says Lt. Joe Heffernan of the Toledo Police Department. (As an aside, this is a nice illustration of action beating reaction.)

The victim’s shot hit the suspect in the abdomen. He called 911 while the former aggressor fled. Police found the suspect in a hospital, where he is expected to live.  “We have no reason to believe that [the victim] did not fire in self-defense, so no charges have been filed as of yet,” says Heffernan. However, it remains up to the prosecutor’s office to decide if they will take the case before a grand jury.

The victim’s mother says her son bought a gun and got a permit this year after two break-ins at the family’s home. “I have a very good kid,” said the mother. “He doesn’t bother no one. He’s not in a gang. He’s not into none of that. He’s just trying to make an honest living”. A neighbor also approved of the victim’s use of force. The neighbor had been jumped and robbed himself and is in the process of getting his own CCW permit.

We too applaud the young man’s preparations, alertness, and courage.  It certainly looks like he did everything right to save his life.

Oklahoma woman shoots boyfriend during domestic dispute

An Oklahoma woman was forced to shoot her boyfriend when he allegedly threatened her two children. An early morning domestic dispute took a violent turn when the man assaulted the children and went after one with a knife. The woman armed herself and shot twice. Deputies found the boyfriend dead in the front yard.

So far, no charges have been filed.

A Young Man Uses new CPL
Just weeks after he received his Concealed Pistol License, a young Detroit man had to use the weapon he lawfully carried.  Three teens approached him at a bus stop and told him if he moved they were going to blow him [up]. One thug demanded money and pulled a gun to back up his threat. Temporarily distracted by the victim’s $220, they allowed the man to draw his pistol and fire. Two were hit and the third took to his heels.  

The victim called the police, who found the two wounded assailants in a nearby hospital. One of the teens confessed to this crime and others; further evidence was found on the pair’s Facebook pages. The CPL holder has been questioned and released.

No one has been charged yet, the case still has to be handed over to the Wayne County Prosecutor’s office.

The victim’s brother believes this is a perfect example of why he and his brother have no choice but to carry in a city that is plagued by crime. “I believe you should have the right to protect yourself from any danger,” he said, “We should be able to walk and go where we want freely and not be in fear of our life. That’s why I believe your CPL is protecting you from any danger you may come across.”

Pastor Shoots Man in Church

The pastor of the Detroit area City of God Ministries shot and killed a man threatening him with a brick. The alleged assailant was shot 4 or 5 times in front of the congregation.

Police said the pastor had had issues with the man before. He had been threatening him to do bodily harm. On that Sunday, the man posted to Facebook, “Can’t wait to see Sunday message at the City of God Ministry. I’ll be there with the truth. Later he typed, “This (expletive) gonna hit the fan.” The man believed the pastor had an affair with his wife and had gotten her pregnant.  

The pastor has not been arrested and is cooperating with the police.  Prosecutors will decide whether the shooting was justified.

Self Defense at Frisco’s Fisherman’s Wharf

It may seem fishy, but police say a shooting in Frisco’s Fisherman’s Wharf area was likely justified.  A 73-year-old resident heard someone in his home just before midnight. The man walked downstair and encountered a 54-year-old intruder — and shot him in the knee. The old guy then politely “escorted” the burglar out of his house and called police. They found the kneecapped bandit hobbling about a block away. He was treated at San Francisco General Hospital and was expected to be booked into jail when released from the hospital.

CF – Not a good idea to clear one’s house. That’s what the professional donut eaters are trained, equipped and staffed to do. And escorting the wounded man out the door… wow. The homeowner certainly needs to work on his home-defense tactics. Fortunately, it all worked out for the good.

John – I wonder if the gun was locked up and in secure storage before he retrieved it to defend himself.

Gary –https://youtu.be/_KvO-8IvoCI Boston Legal

Home Invader Climbs Naked into Bed With Home Owners
Finally, in our News From the Really Weird comes a story from Portland, Oregon (hmph, go figure); A homeowner was awakened by a late night smoochie. However, it wasn’t his honey bunch looking for a little sugar, but a naked home intruder in their bed.

The amorous cat burglar broke into the couple’s northside home and started collecting their valuables. Spying the sleeping homeowners, the robber took off his clothes and climbed into bed with them. He wasn’t completely naked, as the invader had a knife. Awakened by the kiss, the man pushed the criminal off him, and was fortunate to be able to back up his No-Means-No with a handgun.

An ear-witness related; “Screaming. It was screaming at each other. There was something about a knife and then after that, that’s when the shots.” Three shots were fired, driving the invader away, while struggling to get back into his pants. Police found the jilted thief a block away in a vacant house he had broken into. He was hospitalized for possible drug use (No, really?) and then booked. The Robbing Don Juan was charged with first and second degree burglary, first degree sexual abuse, and the unlawful use of a weapon. He can add those charges this to his already extensive arrest record from Oregon and California.  

Our congratulations to the homeowner for stopping what could have easily been a deadly situation. But please sir, put some pants on.  

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

1st email is from Bob in South Carolina

Greetings All.

I listen to and enjoy your podcast each week.  On the last podcast you mentioned a DGU at a Waffle House somewhere in SC (I don’t remember where).  Apparently someone affiliated with Waffle House mentioned continuing their gun-free policy.  While I am not sure, I assume this person was just affiliated with Waffle House in the location where the incident occurred.  I live in SC, have eaten in quite a few Waffle Houses, and have yet to see one that is posted to prohibit concealed weapons.  You mentioned how you would not be eating there again, but you might want to actually check before you just decide to pass them all by as I know for a fact that there are others in SC that have no problem with concealed carry – or if they do they have not posted their restaurants in any way to indicate that desire.

Keep up the good work and take care.

Bob in SC

Next we heard from Greg in Washington about shoulder holsters.

Paul & the gang,

I got a Galco JackAss shoulder rig for my 1911, for driving and wearing around the house, I love it, I can pack a REAL gun & mags in gym shorts and a tanktop.

Hope this helps

And we got a VOICE MAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rob- Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

I posted Every Picture Tells a Story, Part Four. This post which is a collaboration with Rob Vance features a graphic which shows the FBI Violent Crime Rates (crimes per 100,000) plotted against the percentage of the US population that lives in states with either shall issue concealed carry or constitutional carry. While as they say in statistics that correlation isn’t causation, you can see a negative correlation meaning that as the population with more gun rights has risen, crime rates have fallen. So much for the blood running in the streets thesis of the anti-rights groups.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 340 – Terrorism Strikes Our Marines

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Open and Personal News Segment:

News Segment 1:

News Segment 2:

Interview Segment 1: Guest Ed Levine

Interview Segment 2: Guest Alexander Roubian

Interview Segment 3: Anette Wachter:

DGU Segment 1:

DGU Segment 2: 

Email and Show Close:

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, July 19th, 2015 I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk about the military service members shot in Chattanooga, Tennessee.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a new proposal by the Obama Administration to add even more people to the NICS prohibited list.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and I’ll be giving a tribute to one of my first and strongest shooting mentors, Michael Adam.

Anette: I’m Anette Wachter, the 30 cal gal, and I’m headed to Camp Perry for the world long range shooting championships

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about defending yourself as you sit in your car, so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 340 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Last Sunday I spoke on Armed American Radio with Mark Walters.  Tuesday morning I spoke on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady. We talked about the Kate Steinle murder in San Francisco.

 

I wrote and read the news for Kenn Blanchard on his Black man with a gun podcast.

 

Intro to guns for a neighbor.  Studied Louisiana firearms laws and started giving away my reference books on California gun law.

 

John – This week was taken up mostly with work. Nothing gun related except for blogging. Even though I had free time, I didn’t even practice dry firing. I’m a slug, what can I say. However, next weekend, I am going to demo day held by SilencerCo. It is part of their Quiet Riot Tour and we’ll get a chance to shoot a number of weapons including submachine guns and SBRs that have been suppressed.

 

I would also like to note with some sadness that one of my favorite podcasts has ridden off into the sunset. Of course I’m talking about the Gun Dudes. They have decided after 340 episodes to call it quits. I wish them the best.

 

Rachel- This week my shooting community was stunned by the sudden tragic passing of Michael Adam, also known as Scout. Michael was a long-time Appleseed Master Instructor and also the co-founder of Battle Road. He’s been a guest here on the podcast, talking about our history and heritage. He was one of the best people I’ve known, and he heavily influenced all his shooting students, not just in the world of shooting, but also in the way he saw them as people and gave them hope and light and encouragement that reached to the very depths of their souls.

 

I can’t even begin to describe the breadth and depth of his impact on those he came into contact with, both those from Texas and all over the US. I can only try to sum up briefly some of what he mean to me personally.

 

Michael Adam taught me to shoot; to be an instructor; to value, respect, and care for those around me; to work harder and go farther than I thought I ever could; to never stop learning.

 

He warmly welcomed everyone I brought out to Davilla for Appleseed and Battle Road courses with a rare kind of hospitality and care. He brought together a team I was honored to be a part of. He always had stories to share, always crazy ideas for another great Zombie Run obstacle that he’d try to get Mark to agree to smile emoticon, and always a heart bigger than I remembered the last time.

 

His sudden passing leaves an immense hole in many lives, and my life will not be the same without Scout around. But his life left a lasting impact on everyone around him, and my life is not the same because he was a part of it. For that, I am grateful.

 

Gary-

 

Anette-

 

Paul: New to me truck that I have for a few weeks. I am driving a Volvo, and it has enough room I can actually dry fire in the truck.

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

 

(Ed levine is waiting on skype!)

Break

 

Seg 2- News

John reads

Service Member Shootings in Chattanooga
The staff of the Polite Society Podcast would like to express our sincere condolences to the family and friends of the five Service members killed at the Navy Operations Support Center in Chattanooga, Tennessee. Godspeed Gunnery Sgt. Thomas J. Sullivan, Staff Sgt. David A. Wyatt, Sgt. Carson A. Holmquist, Lance Cpl. Squire K. Wells and Petty Officer 2nd Class Randall Smith. Rest in Peace. Well done.

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Our thoughts and prayers are also with the two men wounded in the attack. Another attack in this unacknowledged but escalating war on the United States.

Governor Asa Hutchinson quickly acted to allow Arkansas’ Service personnel a chance to fight back by authorizing Arkansas National Guard Adjutant General Mark Berry to arm full-time military personnel. Arkansas National Guard bases will no longer be gun-free zones. Hutchinson acted in the memory of Arkansas’ native son; Sgt. Wyatt, who was killed in the terror attack. Then, Texas Gov. Greg Abbott announced he’s authorizing Texas National Guard Adjutant Gen. John Nichols to arm troops at facilities across the state in response to the deadly shooting rampage in Tennessee. Now, Gov. Mary Fallin has authorized the state’s adjutant general to arm full-time Oklahoma National Guardsmen at military facilities in Oklahoma.  Where our military men and women remain disarmed by executive order, armed Americans have been spontaneously showing up to protect those who protect us.

It seems that common sense is staging a comeback in these troubling times.

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John – I just read this morning that Indiana Gov. Mike Pence has authorized the Indiana National Guard and their recruiting stations to have armed personnel.

Rob- https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/07/19/while-obama-looks-the-other-way-citizens-and-governors-defend-military/

 

Will obama make recruiting centers gun free zones?

 

A New Class of Prohibited Persons

The LA Times reported on Saturday morning that the Obama Administration will be proposing that Social Security recipients – retirees and those that are on disability – who need help managing their money will now be included in the FBI’s NICS check system as prohibited persons.

 

Given that there is no reliable way to identify those recipients who have mental conditions, Alzheimers, dementia, disabilities due to brain injuries, etc., the Social Security Administration is proposing to use the VA standard. This standard is that anyone who has trouble managing their own financial affairs and needs a fiduciary is a prohibited person and is reported to the FBI for inclusion into the NICS database.  These people would be included in the category “mentally defective.”

 

Mental health professionals, advocates for the disabled, and people who support gun rights say this is not right. “Someone can be incapable of managing their funds but not be dangerous, violent or unsafe,” said Dr. Marc Rosen, a Yale psychiatrist who has studied how veterans with mental health problems manage their money. “They are very different determinations.”

 

Comment – John – I am furious over this. My mom died after suffering Alzheimers for years and now my mother in law is suffering from it. This proposal robs them and others of what shred of dignity they have left. As for stopping so-called “gun violence”, when was the last time you heard Grandma involved in a mass murder.

 

Comment- Rachel – I often encounter people who think measures like these are a great step forward. I can often change their minds simply by asking the question: who gets to decide who’s not allowed to have a gun, and what gives them that right?

 

Last week, Maine Governor Paul LePage signed constitutional carry into law.  Maine is the eighth state that does not require a permit to carry concealed weapon.  Constitutional carry applies to all non-prohibited persons over 21 years of age, or over 18 and in the military.  Quoting one maine legislator, “You can open carry in Maine now. All this does is allow open carry gun owners to put on a jacket.”

BREAK

 

Gary-  We have two pieces of good news to report from Oregon. First, the Oregon Supreme court said that law enforcement could not routinely ask if a citizen had a firearm on their person without probable cause.  In this case, the citizen was stopped for J-walking.  Concealed carriers in Oregon do not have a duty to inform a police officer when they are stopped.

 

The second news story is that the anti-gun Democrat House Majority Leader Val Hoyle will no longer face a recall.  Pro-rights groups collected enough signatures to force Hoyle into a recall election, but the recall stopped when Hoyle announced she was leaving office.  Well done Oregon gun owners.   [We did this last week]

 

-Mayor Stephen Reed was indicted.  The Mayor of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania was charged with hundreds of counts covering some 17 separate charges of of theft, bribery and fraud.  Why would we cover the prosecution of a democrat mayor of Harrisburg, pennsylvania.  Mayor Reed is a proud member of Bloomberg’s Mayors against illegal guns.. also known as illegal mayors against guns.

 

Reed used the former Harrisburg funding Authority as a political ATM and withdrew hundreds of thousands of dollars charged to “administrative fees.”

The Mayor bribed members of Harrisburg City Council to pass questionable city bonds.

The Mayor is also charged with taking funds from the city Parking Authority, the Civic Baseball Club and the city School District.

 

With a record like that, Mayor Reed could run for office in Chicago or Trenton.. once he gets out of prison.

 

So far the decision as to whether Catholic churches in Chicago will open their doors to licensed concealed carry holders is left up to each church.  The Catholic Conference of Illinois says it is studying the matter.  Last week Chicago Archbishop Blase Cupich said he supports banning licensed concealed carry holder from entering his churches.

 

Quote “I know that in many dioceses there are policies that firearms are not permitted in churches, and I think that’s that’s only reasonable.. I surely would be supportive of not having any firearms in our churches.”  close quote.

 

From what I read, a Catholic church in Chicago will open its doors to a criminal illegal alien, but turn away a licensed concealed carry holder.  Hmm.

 

Comment – MDA of NJ is starting a Twitter campaign to get Pope Francis to endorse their campaign for “gunsense”.

 

Rob- Church liability?

 

-I wonder if Chicago Archbishop Cupich reads reports from John Lott’s Crime Prevention Research Center.  Last week Dr. Lott summarized recent trends in concealed carry, and here is the news we can use.

 

-You know that concealed carry is growing in popularity.  Since President Obama was elected, the number of concealed handgun permits has grown from just under 5 million to almost 13 million today.

-Not only that, but the rate of growth is increasing each year.  Last year the number of permits grew by a record 15% , and this is while more states adopt constitutional carry and don’t require permits.

-The murder rate fell by 25 percent during that same period showing that our guns don’t cause crime.

-Today, the national average is that one out of 19 adults has a permit to carry.

-In five states the licensed carry rate is more common than one in ten adults.

-In ten states, a permit is no longer required to carry almost everywhere.

-The face of concealed carry is changing.  Since 2007, permits for women have increased by 270% while permits have only grown by 156% for men.

Evidence suggests that permit holding by minorities is increasing more than twice as fast as for whites.

That is good news.

– As you would expect, the number of federal background checks set a new record in June.

 

Rachel- Gun Quotes-

Prohibiting the means of self-defense is clearly the same as prohibiting the right of self-defense.  Unknown Author

 

You know what is really (screwed) up? That Michael Bloomberg and Shannon Watts have more firepower with them than the Marines had in Chattanooga.

Miguel Gonzalez

 

So what symbol of hate needs to come down in Chicago to stop the violence there?

George Hill

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

 

Ed Levine from DC carry-  Ed Levine talks about the murder of Kevin Joseph Sutherland on a Washington DC metro train.

What happened.

media coverage

gun free zone

stay of issuing cc permits in DC

 

Alexander Roubian from nj2as-

Sweeney recall

fear from NJ citizens

85 year old ww 2 vet

reason for fear- event was cancelled

 

gun ranges won’t support the recall

 

more signature gathering events

weekends

mid-week

 

protest ban a sweeney’s house

website- contact events: New Jersey Second Amendment Society

recall sweeney.com  http://www.recallsweeney.com/

 

Anette Wachter-

bolt action 308 155 gr, iron sight, sling support

1000 yds

read the mirage before trusting the flags (every 100 yds along the range)

rifle- rpi quad lock action, stock- jim cloward, kreeger barrel, warner sights.

single and team event, crew served weapon

Palma and Long distance

Palma requires a 3.5 lb trigger.

Precision rifle is more of a sniper layout, magazine feed and uses optics.

Leupold mark 6 (3 to 18 power)

mirage

coriolis effect

wind (flags, mirage drift, near wind, far wind0

elevation

spin drift

 

Rob- Segment 4 DGUs

 

Could you defend yourself as you sit in your car?

Our first story starts late at night in Nashville Tennessee.  A 74 man had just gotten into his car when two teens robbed him.  They took his cell phone and demanded he get out of his car.  The elderly man climbed from his car.. and drew his concealed carry pistol.  He shot one of the robbers but missed the second.  The second robber ran.  The elderly man held the wounded thief for police.  Police are looking for the thief who took the man’s cell phone, but police already determined the shooting was in self-defense.

 

Do you think you’re ready for a gunfight?

Four men pulled up to a convenience store.  The getaway driver stayed in the car while the other three put on masks, drew their guns and stormed into a Super K convenience store in Houston, Texas.  The thieves grabbed a customer and used her as a human shield.  The thieves demanded money from the clerk behind the counter.  Then they beat the clerk when he did not comply fast enough.  Another stove employee heard the robbery and walked into the store from the back room.  He drew his handgun and shot two of the three thieves.  All three fled to their waiting get-away car.  The two wounded criminals later died in a local hospital.  Police are still looking for one of the robbers.  The clerk required stitches to the back of his head.

 

The store owner said most of the employees are armed because the store had already been robbed within the previous month.  Are you ready to take on three armed men?  This store owner didn’t have a choice.

 

Red Molly
A Tallahassee couple’s waking nightmare was a man outside their bedroom door screaming I’m gonna kill you! I’m gonna kill you! She grabbed a phone; he grabbed a gun. The gun got to the scene a lifetime quicker than the cops. The wide-eyed, frothing invader was only five feet from the homeowner when he fired. Struck in the chest, Jarod Clemons, 27, staggered out the smashed front door and back into the night, where he died.

Mr Clemons had had a busy night. It started with a hit of a new street drug Molly, a synthetic variant of Ecstasy cut with unknown substances. It involved jumping from his girlfriend’s moving car, seeking help in a police station, breaking out of an ambulance on the way to a hospital, terrorizing a neighborhood, and finally throwing a planter through the front door of the house where he met his end.

 

In the past year, ERs have seen a sharp increase in patients taking Molly. “Somebody who comes in on Molly is actively psychotic. They’re usually very combative.” said an ER  physician. Our listeners should be aware of the growing threat of the many, new synthetic street drugs. The people they encounter may be impervious to pain, stronger, faster, more aggressive and far less rational than the ordinary criminal. This situation has reminded one cop of the bad old days of Angel Dust, only worse.

 

Man Stops a Firearm Robbery With Open Carry Weapon

“I was at the counter buying bullets with my cousin and I heard some loud bangs. I look up and they are just loading up weapons from the counter and then they run off and my instincts kicked in.” Joey Tapley followed the three robbers outside the store, pulled his open carry weapon and stopped one of the thieves. “I told him drop the gun man, mine is loaded, just drop the gun. We made eye contact for a second or two and he dropped two guns and ran,” Police later arrested the three teenagers and an unidentified woman.

Tapley carries a gun openly and says his effort wouldn’t have been possible without Governor Brownback’s approval of the open-carry law that took effect on July 1.

While we applaud the results of Tapley’s actions, we must point out that he took an awful lot upon himself. As no lives were being threatened, many self-defense instructors would advise the armed citizen not to get involved in these situation. The risks are huge. Things could have gone south very quickly, as they did in the following DGU:
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John- Customer Follows/ Shoots Robber
An early morning trip to a New Orleans gas station turned  into a fight for survival for an armed citizen attempting to stop a robbery suspect. The thief got the stations cash as well as the man’s wallet. The victim went to his car, retrieved a firearm, and confronted the escaping robber.  Shots were exchanged and the thief collapsed after running a few steps. The criminal is in critical condition and will be booked on two counts of armed robbery, possession of stolen property and possession of illegal narcotics if he survives.

Again in this instance, the armed citizen acted when there was no active threat to himself or others. He put his life, his future, his family and his finances all on the line. Many jurisdictions would not look kindly upon these actions. The man luckily survived the shootout. It’s unknown if he will have similar luck with the legal system.

 

For all of us that carry a firearm in public, it’s up to us to educate ourselves and decide in advance what we would do if we were confronted by a similar situation.

 

Vietnam Vet Shoots Robber
Sometimes, you just have to do what you have to do. A Vietnam Vet found himself in the proverbial box one afternoon. His trip to a Sycamore, Georgia gas station was altered with the words; “Put the money in the bag!” Don Rogers looked up and saw a man pointing a pistol at the clerk.

 

With another’s life and his own in obvious danger, Rogers acted. He pulled his CCW. “When I did, he looked over at me and turned my way and I fired a shot. And he grabbed his side and then I fired two more shots before he got out the door,” Rogers said.

 

A shaken Rogers related; “Well, I was hoping nothing like this would ever happen, but I was glad I had my weapon with me… I just did what I had to do.” The store clerk says Don Rogers may have saved his life. Turner County Sheriff Andy Hester observed; “These people that’ll go out and do this kind of stuff need to realize – it ain’t always gonna fare to their favor, just because they’re a predator.”

The predator and his female accomplice called 911 from three miles away. She’s in jail as an accessory to armed robbery, he’s in a Macon hospital in critical condition. A gas station clerk and Don Rogers are alive and well — he just did what he had to do.

 

A Robber’s Here, Daddy

Out of the mouths of babes… A three year old toddler startled his father with the words “A robber’s here, daddy.” Seconds later, the Eldorado, Ohio homeowner faced a masked, obscenity-shouting gunman. Forced to protect the five members of his family, the man shot once, hitting the intruder in the chest. Police found the robber unconscious in the home’s front hallway. He died at nearby hospital. The parents say they did not know the 22-year-old criminal.

Stay armed, stay alert, and stay safe out there – it’s an increasingly dangerous world.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

I wrote about Taxing Washington State Politicians.  The Seattle City Council wanted to tax law abiding gun owners because of the harm criminals do with guns.  I proposed a new tax on all politicians because of the harm some politicians have done.

 

I have a second series of posts wrote about armed citizens standing guard outside military recruiting centers and armories.  These articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland,  and at my blog, slow facts dot word press dot com

 

John do you want to mention anything off of No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

 

Everytown Moms for Illegal Mayors has started a campaign to get Cabela’s to not release firearms purchases after the three day period if the NICS check comes back as “delay/hold”. As I said in my blog post, has anyone from that organization ever bought a firearm at Cabela’s? I have and they have the most comprehensive process for gun sales I’ve ever seen. It is computerized, it involves double checking entries, and it involves managers. Moreover, according to the FBI itself, a person is assumed to be eligible to purchase a firearm unless they find a disqualifying factor. A delay or hold means the FBI wants to check a little deeper but they haven’t found a reason to deny the person. Under Federal law, after three days, the dealer is allowed to transfer the firearm. It is not an “incomplete check” as stated by the gun prohibitionists.

 

You can find this post and many more at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look his blog up at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank alexander roubian from the new Jersey second amendment society, Anette Wachter- the thirty call gal, and Ed Levian from dc carry for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 336 – A Florida Police Chief Says Women Shouldn’t Carry

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded 28 june 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with Carl Chinn about physical security in churches.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty we will hear from Dan Roberts about the drive to recall New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

Paul: and hang on!  Episode 336 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Went to the range and practiced.  Spoke on Lock and Load radio with Bill Frady on Friday.  Mentored a student at a first shots course for medical professionals.  That taught me a few new tricks.  My browning 22 pistol eats federal but not American Eagle.. which are made by the same company.

My Florida carry permit came in the mail.

 

Gary – Ordered Sherry’s Concealment Solutions holster and we did some reloading practice with speed loaders.

 

Paul – Did some more looking at campers this morning. not much gun related. been absorbing the news of the week.  Looking at ordering a new belt for Susan to use at the Kathy Jackson class.

 

Rob- Did you consider Jason’s belts?

 

There are 2 things that I want to address before we go off into the news segment, although they both are technically news that relate to guns.

 

First is the statement by the pope that came out just about the time we were supposed to go to air last week and so we weren’t able to properly vett the story to make sure that it was a real story.  It was a real story.

 

I was born and raised in the Catholic church. I now consider myself a Christian not connected to any particular church. I believe in the bible and not what people have inserted as “doctrine”  I would like to read some of the pope’s comments as reported on Ammoland.com

 

Pope Francis spoke with a group of young people at a rally of thousands at the end of the first day of his trip to the Italian city of Turin.

Francis started by attacking the Right to Keep and Bear Arms as well as accusing the allies during World War Two of being complicit in the killing of Jews, Christians and homosexuals.

Francis issued his toughest condemnation to date of the weapons industry, saying.

“If you trust only men you have lost,” he told the young people in a long, rambling talk about war, trust and politics after putting aside his prepared address.

“It makes me think of … people, managers, businessmen who call themselves Christian and they manufacture weapons. That leads to a bit a distrust, doesn’t it?” he said to applause.

He also criticized those who invest in weapons industries (gun owners), saying “duplicity is the currency of today … they say one thing and do another.”

Francis also built on comments he has made in the past about events during the first and second world wars.

He spoke of the “tragedy of the Shoah,” using the Hebrew term for the Holocaust.

“The great powers had the pictures of the railway lines that brought the trains to the concentration camps like Auschwitz to kill Jews, Christians, homosexuals, everybody. Why didn’t they bomb (the railway lines)? (end of ammoland story)

 

There is something that I believe his holiness has forgotten, that evil does exist in the world. Edmund Burke is quoted as saying “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” The pope seems to be like the liberals who are at work right here in America, he thinks that if we click our heels three time and say there is no place like home that everything will be alright.

Ladies and gentlemen, everything will not be alright. American, and indeed world history is replete with examples of disarmament leads to slavery or even worse death.

 

I am sorry that a man (and the pope is a man) is in charge of the catholic church that I grew up in and had a great deal of respect for. Popes are supposed to serve a lifetime, I will never wish ill on any human, however I can only hope that this man decides like his predecessor that the papacy is too much for him and retire early. I would like to say to my fellow Christians to pray like it depends on God and prepare like it depends on you.

 

The armory of the Swiss Guard who protect the Vatican.

 

Secondly there was a major ruling from the Supreme court late in the week that proclaimed through the 14th amendment that all states must allow gay marriage. What does this have to do with guns? Well there are many that are saying that with the language in the ruling that the 14th amendment would also require a concealed carry permit issued in one state to be accepted by all. And I have to say that there are strong arguments for this. I would like to caution our listeners strongly, that right now that is a THEORY, not tested in court. I will not be the test case, I encourage you not to as well. The SAF is tuning up right now to introduce lawsuits to that effect.

 

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

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Police chief advocates civilian disarmament in Saint Petersburg, Florida.

Two Tampa Bay Florida real estate agents were robbed at gunpoint this month.  One was shackled at her hands and feet while the attacker made ransom demands to the victim’s husband.  Police admit that agents have a dangerous job.  St. Petersburg police Chief Tony Holloway said real estate agents, particularly women, should not arm themselves because the criminal would only take their gun and use it against them.

 

Paul- Wait a minute.  Female agents are the same as any other women in their ability to defend themselves.

 

Rob- Maybe Florida laws are different.  I have a Florida carry license instructor to talk with us.

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Dramatic Rise in Crime After UK Ban Guns

The blog Extrano’s Alley has an interesting analysis of the increase in violent crime after the UK’s total ban on handguns and severe restriction on all other firearms. The ban was a knee-jerk reaction to their Dunblane massacre. It is certainly interesting reading in light of the efforts attempting to capitalize on the Charleston tragedy. The link can be found in our show notes.

 

NY State Residents Disobeying Cuomo’s Registration Scheme

“One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws.”  From his cell in the Birmingham jail, Martin Luther King, Jr. wrote those words that are being taken to heart by New York State residents. Only 24 thousand of New York State’s 20 million residents have registered their so-called assault weapons since Cuomo’s SAFE act took effect in 2013. Less than 45 thousand rifles have been registered. Law enforcement estimates there are 1 million assault weapons in the state. The citizens are engaging in civil disobedience even though failure to register is a felony, punishable by up to four years in prison.

 

Cuomo rammed his SAFE Act though the legislature weeks after the Sandy Hook tragedy. The act was an anti-gun activist’s dream: a ban on high-capacity magazines, universal background checks, stolen gun reporting, safe storage, mental health provisions, warrantless firearm seizures, ammunition sales checks, as well as the key registration requirement. Tellingly, NONE of the provisions, even if followed exactly by the madman, would have prevented the shooting at Sandy Hook.

 

“Many people have been calling for a full repeal of the SAFE Act. It would appear the people have just bypassed the legislature and simply repealed it on their own,” said Tom King, of the New York State Rifle and Pistol Association. Communities and LEOs outside of New York City seem to be ignoring or openly challenging the Governor’s draconian law.

While we cannot tell New York’s residents to resist this unjust law – that would be illeeeeeeegal – we can certainly applaud the State’s residents who are adhering to Thomas Jefferson’s words; “If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so.”

 

Rob- 950 THOUSAND New York gun owners told the Governor to shove it.  Cuomo is only the Governor of Albany and New York city, but not the rest of the state.
More Anti-Gun Stupidity

Leading Democrat adviser Bob Shrum led with his tongue when he opined that the Emanuel shooting would have been a “horror” if the black parishioners were armed. On MSNBC’s The Ed Show, Shrum said QUOTE “I cannot imagine the horror that could have occurred if people were sitting around with concealed weapons, this thing started, and you have a full-scale gunfight.” END QUOTE

The mind boggles. Experience shows that resisting a madman significantly decreases the death toll. Even if unsuccessful, the nine still would have died. And the concealed carrier would have died on their feet, rather than on their knees.

Taking Shrum at his word, the advisor to Teddy Kennedy, Carter, Gore and Kerry would rather see the parishioners completely disarmed, defenseless and good little victims, rather than fighting for their lives. As insane as this sounds, this IS one of the anti’s core beliefs. They believe that it is somehow morally preferable to be the victim, rather than acting in self-defense. As rational beings, we absolutely reject this dehumanizing belief.

 

Rob- Gun prohibition is a superstition, and the anti-rights advocates live in a fantasy world.

Bill to Restrict Home Assembled Firearms Proposed
Another in our Cavalcade of Legislative Stupidity, this one somehow not authored by Carolyn Maloney, is the Home-Assembled Firearms Restriction Act of 2015. This bill would prohibit of the sale of certain firearm receiver castings or blanks, assault weapon parts kits, and machine gun parts kits (what?) and prohibit the marketing of the items on any medium of electronic communications. The parts would be banned as hazardous products under the Consumer Product Safety Act. Enforcement would come via the Federal Trade Commission. It would eliminate the home hobbyist who assembles a completely legal firearm out of commercially available parts.

The bill mentions semi-automatic rifles and semi-automatic pistols, and is an unique thrust in the effort to disarm Americans. Our response should be the same. However, the amount of tar and feathers involved would certainly be an environmental disaster.  HR- 376

 

Collectible Firearms Protection Act.

Not all legislation sinks to the level of Carolyn Maloney or Mario Cuomo. Cynthia Lummis (R-Wyo.) recently introduced H.R. 2611, the “Collectible Firearms Protection Act.” This bill would reverse the Obama/ Kerry State Department’s decision blocking the reimportation of M1 Garands and M1 Carbines from South Korea. The completely legal firearms would then be sold commercially to the American people. The Obama administration also opposes legislation to allow the CMP to sell the Army’s excess 1911s. All these firearms were paid for by the American taxpayer, and we would like to remind our rulers that we own them.

You can contact your U.S. Representative to support this legislation by using the NRA/ILA’s  “Write Your Lawmakers” tool or calling (202) 224-3121.  You can also register your opinion at Popvox.com

 

 

Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker To Sign Two Bills Expanding Gun Rights

In a clear victory for gun-rights advocates, Wisconsin governor Scott Walker signed bills to eliminate the state’s 48-hour waiting period for gun purchases and to allow off-duty police officers to carry concealed weapons on public school grounds.

Congratulations Cheese-Heads!

Rob-  Let me get this right.  The school staff would call the police if the school was attacked.  They call the police because the police carry guns and could stop the attack.  Somehow, this bill was considered a great act of political courage to allow the police to carry their guns in school before the attack?  This is not a moment for congratulations but for shame.  I want to find the idiot politician who told the police they could not go armed in our public schools.

 

No guns in Post Office parking lots

(Denver, Colorado) – In yet another decision that thumbs its nose at the Supreme Court’s landmark D.C. v. Heller and McDonald v. Chicago rulings, the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals held today that the Second Amendment does not protect gun rights outside of one’s home. The case, Bonidy v. United States Postal Service, challenged the statute (39 C.F.R. § 232.1(l),) which prohibits the storage and carriage of firearms on USPS property. The district court decision found that the law was unconstitutional as applied to its prohibition on guns in parking lots, but not the ban on carry inside government buildings.

 

Gary – As I was reading this my thought was what about the people that are walking to all prohibited locations. Don’t they have the right to self-defense?

 

Gun Quotes  No Kingdom can be secured otherwise than by arming the people. The possession of arms is the distinction between a freeman and a slave. James Burgh

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Grant Cunningham- http://www.rawstory.com/2015/06/miss-police-open-carry-laws-kept-us-from-arresting-shotgun-toting-man-who-terrorized-walmart-shoppers/?utm_content=buffer62f47&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 

http://www.wxxv25.com/news/local/story/Gulfport-Police-Arrest-Two-Men-in-Walmart/OpGpr3m360eVCbs98-AZ9w.cspx

 

“The possession, carrying and use of firearms require not only training and skill, but intelligence and responsibility. When persons act with deficiency in intelligence and responsibility, it can be both dangerous and unlawful.” Police Chief Leonard Papania of Gulfport, MS said.

 

Doug Ritter–  http://kniferights.org/ at 4 central time

Doug Ritter is Chairman and Executive Director of knife rights.  Welcome back to the show, Doug.  Knife rights are never safe when the legislature is in session.  You’ve had some wonderful successes this year.  Please tell our listeners about them.

Maine, Nevada, Oklahoma, Texas pre-emption.

 

Knife with a CCW, so you could carry a gun.. but not a knife in Illinois?

 

Work to do in New York, even when republicans did not support a pro-knife bill.  Massachusetts, New Jersey,

 

What do you think of Evan Nappen’s book.

 

Carl Chinnhttp://www.carlchinn.com/ at 4:30 central time.

You’ve studied violence in Churches.  You were on the scene for a violent attack in the lobby of Focus on the Family.  You also were working at the New Life Church in Colorado Springs when it was attacked.  Since then you’ve kept an exhaustive list of violent attacks that occur on church property.

 

Tell us about the path a church takes to address physical security.  What are the steps to success?  I’m guessing the subject gets brought to the church board or leadership team.  What happens next?

 

Is an active defense similar to concerns the church already faces such as medical first responders and physical security?

The church leadership gathers information to understand the problem?

They select staff to address it?

Staff brings them a proposal?

Outside training?

On site training?

Ongoing recruitment?

What does the church have to do to succeed long term?

 

I was at a large local church, and to put one security person behind each gathering would take 20 volunteers.  What about the men’s group that meets mid week?  The new mom’s group?  A successful church is filled with life all the time.  That means you need volunteers from every group.

 

We’ve had almost a thousand attacks on churches in the last 5 years.  To me that is a wake up call.  Talk about the pastors and leadership teams who won’t address security.  What excuses do they use to justify inaction?

 

Why do security teams fail long term?

 

Dan Roberts-

New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney faces a well deserved recall drive that started yesterday.  An hour after the New Jersey Second Amendment Society announced where they would rally to start the recall, the venue owner called them up and cancelled on them.  They had that venue and date reserved for the last two months.  Several other venues refused the group fearing political retribution from the democrat controlled bureaucrats.

 

350 people showed up to collect signatures.  It was raining on the signature gatherers as they went house to house.  Many homes were empty  since the power has been out in some areas for several days.  Surprisingly, some union members and government employees were eager to sign the recall while anyone who needed a permit to operate their business refused to sign.  About a quarter of the people on the list signed the petition to recall Senator Sweeney.

 

“When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.”  and New Jersey citizens are afraid of their government.

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Domino’s Driver Shoots Assailant  
Just after midnight, a Hollywood, Florida Domino’s driver was forced to defend his life with a firearm. Two men attacked the driver in a robbery attempt. The driver pulled his gun and fired six shots at the men, killing one of them. Breitbart News reports that at least eight Domino’s drivers had been shot–three of those killed–since the start of 2012. Many more have been assaulted, kidnapped or raped.

Domino’s Pizza will not comment on the ongoing investigation. Domino’s continues their policy of barring drivers from being armed for self-defense. We continue to feel there are other pizza restaurants.

Benihana Shoot-Out
The North Dallas Benihana’s parking lot was the scene of an armed robbery and  shootout this week. Two people were leaving the upscale Japanese restaurant when they were approached by a man asking for a lighter. The man then slipped on a mask and pulled a gun from his waistband. A victim retrieved his firearm from his vehicle and six to eight shots were exchanged. The robber was pronounced dead at an area hospital, the victim is in stable condition.

Both men were young black males. It is not known if this was a targeted crime or random. Police are focusing on a white Camaro in the parking lot, found with a handgun nearby. Neither police nor Benihana employees are forthcoming. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Homeowner Shoot Armed Car Burglar
A Milwaukee, Wisconsin man was forced to shoot a car burglar in self defense.  The man challenged a thief burglarizing his car. The thief pulled a gun and the  car owner pulled one right back and shot. The thief ran away and was arrested in an area hospital. The DA will decide if charges will be pressed against the car owner.

Police Arrive to Find a Hog-Tied Suspect
While not strictly a DGU, the following shows that we are the weapon, the gun – or a vase – are the tools.

A Kenosha, Wisconsin man heard “that noise” very early in the morning. He found a man climbing through an upstairs window, who asked the home-owner if he wanted his grass cut. Justifiably outraged at the aggressive sales tactic, the homeowner brained the door-to-door salesman with a nearby vase. Police arrived to find the man hog-tied with a garden hose. The twenty-two year old is charged with burglary, theft and disorderly conduct. He is also the suspect in a recent string of local burglaries.

While we never want to be in a self-defense situation, the ability to smack a pushy salesman, even a pretend one, is certainly tempting.

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Listener e-mail discussion

We had Jeff Street on the show before.  He and his wife offer free firearms training at their church.  They have a Special Event coming up in the Naples Florida area.

 

Jeff writes-
We will have a guest speaker Naples Criminal Defense Attorney Donald Day
He is also a “Self Defense Attorney” affiliated with the Armed Citizens Legal defense network.
The topic will be “Defending yourself in Florida with a Weapon: The Law from A-Z”.

When:
Tuesday July 21st 2015 from 6:30pm – 8:30pm

There is no charge but Donald asks that all make some contribution to the NRA or Sign up for the Armed Citizen Legal Defense Network.
Space is limited.  Call or text to make your reservations.  239-641-6140

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- It has been a busy week at the slow facts blog.  I wrote four articles covering the murders in Charleston and having guns in church.  I also posted a fairly long article talking about the marketing aspects of gun control.

 

Anti-rights advocates offer an emotional appeal to an idealized fantasy they call gun control. The ideology of disarmament has many aspects that make it easy to sell.

 

Those articles are up at Ammoland, Clash Daily, and on my blog at Slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear. look him up at not one more gun law dot blog spot dot com

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday, May 31 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we will talk with Alexander Roubian about the campaign to recall New Jersey Senator Steve Sweeney.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Texas finally getting open carry.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our we have a rarity, a DGU in New Jersey! .. so climb aboard (???)

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 321 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- I got to shoot my Mosin Nagant again.  I had to sight the rifle in after I put a taller front sight on it.  I am a three minute shooter so far. I’d like to shoot it again shooting outdoors with a larger target at a longer distance.  I also shot my friends Browning copy of a 1881 lever action in 45-70.  That 350 grain bullet makes the Mosin feel like a 22.  It is embarrassing that the Browning front sight was a tenth of an inch too short.

 

I read the news for Kenn Blanchard’s program Black Man with a Gun.  I was also on the Lock and Load Radio Show with Bill Frady.  Bill said he’ll come on our podcast.  So will Bob Mayne next month.

 

John, what have you been up to?

 

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John – Not much to report this week. It has been mostly work since Memorial Day. I have been assembling the parts for my retro AR-15 A1. I just need the barrel to complete it. It will be a mixture of original surplus parts and some modern parts especially in the fire controls. My dad had shot Expert with the M-16 and I thought I’d like something similar to what he was issued.

 

Gary- Teaching, shot the Para again still working on FTF issues.

 

Paul – Getting ready for next weekend’s renaissance festival. meetings meetings meetings.

 

I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes here.

 

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Seg 2- News

 

John-

-Judge  Frederick J. Scullin Junior said Washington, DC’s regulation of concealed carry was unconstitutional.  The judge enjoined the city from enforcing those laws.  Then judge Scullin denied DC’s request for a stay in his decision.  In layman’s terms, the judge said I mean it, and I mean it now.  The second amendment foundation has filed a motion seeking contempt charges against the city.

 

The city had a chance to appeal the judge’s original decision.  One reason the city might not have appealed is that DC did not want to lose in front of a federal appeals court, and the DC law was so egregious that the could well have lost even in front of a democrat appointed judicial panel.

 

-Oklahoma Governor Mary Fallin signed a knife preemption bill.  It passed the Oklahoma house by a vote of 81 to 4.   The governor signed a bill allowing automatic opening knives the previous week.  This means that common knives are legal across the state of Oklahoma.. and law enforcement can pursue violent criminals rather than chasing honest knife owners.

 

Licensed Open Carry Passes in Texas.

-The Texas senate and house passed separate open carry bills.  and then both chambers ignored open carry until the last days of this legislative session.  The Senate finally took up the house bill and passed licensed open carry.  It included a provision that open carry is not probable cause for arrest.  The concern was that texas police would arrest any black person carrying a gun.  That provision has been eliminated from the bill and both houses of the Texas legislature pass the bill on Friday. Gov. Greg Abbott tweeted, “Open Carry just passed in both the Texas House & Senate. Next destination: My Pen.

 

John – I know I have teased my fellow podcast Rachel Malone about how North Carolina is ahead of Texas on this. We have had unlicensed open carry since 1922. That said, I want to recognize all the hard work that she and other gun rights activists put in to make this law a reality. Congratulations to all 2A activists in TX who fought for this.

 

Campus Carry in Texas

A campus carry bill passed the Texas Senate by a 20-11 vote on Saturday. The bill will be taken up by the Texas House on Sunday afternoon. Gov. Abbott has said he will sign the bill when it arrives on his desk.

The bill as passed by the Senate would allow licensed carry holders carry in dorms, classrooms, and public buildings of public universities. A provision to add private universities was eliminated in a conference committee.

While schools will be able to designate their own “gun free zones”, it will be limited.

State Sen. Brian Birdwell, R-Granbury, said his legislation would allow for “very limited, reasonable prohibitions” on handguns in certain locations on university property.

He said his intent was that public college campuses would be as “permissive and accessible” as possible to handgun license holders and that universities would be as “specific and as minimalistic as possible” in defining restricted areas.

Break??? Yes

 

Rob-

Concealed Carrier Has Pistol Seized and Disassembled and Placed in Trunk.
A Coral Gables, Florida policeman noticed a CCW License, freaked out, seized the pistol, disassembled it, and placed it in the trunk. And his chief see nothing wrong with it.

 

A man and his family were driving through Coral Gables when they were pulled over for exceeding the 15 MPH speed limit. The cop notice the CCW License when getting the Driver’s License. His reaction was completely without justification. He order the driver to freeze and the officer reached in and removed the pistol from the driver’s holster. The pistol was finally returned, disassembled, in the trunk. The driver is sure he was treated as a criminal. And his police chief feels the deputy did nothing wrong.

 

Marion Hammer, executive director of the Unified Sportsmen of Florida and past-president of the National Rifle Association, disagrees. “I believe this incident involves an illegal search — without provocation — of a law abiding citizen duly licensed to carry a concealed weapon,” Eric Friday, the general counsel for Florida Carry, Inc. also has issues with the constitutionality of the search. Friday was not surprised by the allegations.

 

Friday reiterated that no driver in Florida has a duty to tell police when they are armed. “Because of repeated instances such as you are describing to me, I no longer recommend that to people today,” Friday said. “I changed my position because of misconduct such as this. … I strongly believe it’s time for the legislature to create specific penalties that apply when the rights of concealed-carry licensees are abused, or this will continue unabated.”

 

It’s a sad state of affairs when the cops mistrust and fear their obvious ally.

 

Anti-Gun Professor Dismisses California Gun Violence Restraining Orders
We’ve met anti-gun UCLA Law professor Adam Winkler before: the blog Not One More Gun Law fisked his inane HuffPo article Ferguson: With So Many Guns in America, Police Are Trained to Live in Fear. He pushes the standard snake-oil of universal background checks and scary gun bans. So it was a little surprising when he dismissed the new California Gun Violence Restraining Orders as ineffective.

 

Last year, California instituted Gun Violence Restraining Orders allowing associates and law enforcement to immediately strip a citizen’s 2nd Amendment rights with nothing more than an allegation. Patterned after the much-abused Domestic Violence Restraining Orders, the GVROs are a clear threat to California citizen’s embattled rights. A bill to punish false allegations was soundly defeated in the legislature.

The National Journal found that GVROs would not have stopped recent mass shootings. In their report, Winkler is quoted, “The truth is that it is very rare to know in advance when someone is going to be dangerous with a firearm. This is not going to make a huge dent in our gun violence statistics.”  Seems like even this stopped clock is right for once.

 

Loretta Lynch’s DOJ Will Move Forward With a Dozen Anti-Gun Regulations

The Obama administration’s Department of Justice will move forward with a dozen new anti-gun regulations The Hill reported. These proposed rules are to be enacted in the waning years of Obama’s term.

According to The Hill, the new regulations range from restrictions on high-powered pistols to gun storage requirements. There will be a renewed effort to keep guns out of the hands of people who are mentally unstable or have been convicted of domestic abuse. There are rising concerns that the administration will try to disqualifying as many people as possible from gun ownership; people who may have had a problem at some time in their past, regardless of their current behaviour.

 

John Lott reports the media’s coming support of these efforts has been telegraphed by Columbia University’s weekend workshop for journalists. Fifteen of the panel’s seventeen “experts” were allegedly gun control advocates. Apparently, journalism that presents both sides of the story is long gone. Gun Safety is likely to be the media theme, a more palatable, disingenuous description of anti-gun efforts. The workshop promised a range of biased anti-rights talking points, ignoring much of the benefits and realities of an armed populace.

It’s been said many times before, but the remaining months of Obama’s reign are likely to be the most dangerous ever to the Constitution as a whole and the Right To Keep and Bear Arms specifically.

 

House Bill To Require Gun Owners To Carry Liability Insurance
One of Bloomberg’s Useful Idiots: NY Rep Carolyn Maloney has introduced a bill to require the nation’s gun owners to carry liability insurance. The Firearm Risk Protection Act, would require gun buyers to have liability insurance before being allowed to purchase a firearm, fining any owner $10,000 if found not to have it. Service members and law enforcement officers would be exempt from the requirement.
It should be obvious that requiring a citizen to purchase a service from a private entity before exercising a Protected Right strains the limits of the Constitution and common sense. Poor inner city residents most in need would be economically prevented from exercising their right to self-defense. This is far from Maloney’s first anti-gun initiative. Just last week we discussed her proposed bill requiring each gun purchase to be reported to the Attorney General.  Maloney and her puppet-master Bloomberg are clearly no friends of the Constitution.

 

John – I hate to add this but Maloney is a North Carolina native who went to New York City seeking fame, fortune, and gun control.

 

The New Nationwide Crime Wave: The Ferguson Effect

It’s been a rough ten months since the justifiable shooting of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri. And It looks like it’s going to get worse. In a Wall Street Journal commentary, the impacts of the growing anti-police sentiments of the black activists, media and Progressive politician’s are examined. Called the Ferguson Effect, it documents the restrictions on the police and the resulting dramatic increase in crime.

 

As we in the gun-rights community well know, politicians typically respond to notorious crimes and events by punishing the law-abiding. The Ferguson Effect is much of the same. After a string of highly publicized black deaths by police, usually when the suspect has resisted arrest, there has been a slew of anti-police efforts. Police have been facing new rules, regulations and policies, DOJ consent decrees, community organizers and politicized civilian review boards, all under the highly biased microscope of the media.

 

The assault on policing has resulted in a destruction of police morale. The officers realize that any interaction with a suspect, no matter how warranted, may end up destroying their lives and family. Proactive policing, typified by the very effect “Broken Window” policies, is gone, and crime has jumped. Rates of murder, assaults, and burglaries, have increased dramatically, in some neighborhoods as much as 500%. The decades long decrease in crime appears to be ending.

Unfortunately, the immediate victims of the rising urban violence are the poor of the  inner city. Their ability to live safely and climb out of that morass will be threatened by the empowered criminals. But have no fear, the violence will not stay in the ghetto: everyone must be vigilant. Further compounding their errors, politicians will take advantage of the increasing crime rates to push for the usual ineffective gun restrictions.

 

Read the attached article in the show notes, it is well worth your time. And prepare and be aware. It’s an increasingly dangerous world out there.

 

Gun Quote  (who?)

How strangely will the tools of a tyrant pervert the plain meaning of words.  Samuel Adams.

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.

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Alexander Roubian from NJ2AS, http://www.recallsweeney.com/

Saturday, June 27, 2015 at 09:00 AM

Glassboro, NJ, exact location TBA

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

Paul-

Woman Injured Defending Her Home

A 51-year-old woman was shot defending the occupants of her home from three armed and masked attackers. The three attackers burst through the Townsend, Delaware home and demanded money. One of the occupants was roughed up by an invader. The woman shot at an armed intruder and suffered a shot to the leg in the exchange of gunfire. The invaders fled, it is not known if any was injured. She and the roughed-up young man are in the hospital with non-life threatening injuries.

 

Sometimes the cost of self-defense can be high – but worth it, especially when four lives are in the balance.

 

Intruder Shot By Woman

A Trenton, New Jersey woman was forced to defend her life with a gun. A jilted lover broke into her house and she shot him in the thigh. The lovesick and ventilated Jemoine Morris was picked up by police and taken to the hospital. He has been charged with criminal mischief. As of now, the woman has not been charged, but the New Jersey investigation is ongoing.

 

Cabby Fights Back

A Sebastian, Florida cab driver is alive and well after being held at knifepoint by two would-be robbers thanks to being armed. The two men had hailed the cab on early Saturday morning and then held a knife on the driver as they attempted to rob him. The cabby drew his handgun and shot one of the men. After the shooting, both men fled the scene. However, police were able to follow the blood trail and find them. The cabby identified the wounded man as the one who had held the knife on him. The wounded man was given medical assistance but died on his way to the hospital.

 

Wrong Movers

Two guys were helping a third guy move into his new Aurora, Colorado condo on Friday night. They were approached by three juveniles who attempted to rob the men at  gunpoint. As two of the men started to pull out their wallets, the third man pulled out his handgun and shot all three of the robbers. One juvenile died after being taken to the hospital, another is in serious condition, and a third was arrested on unrelated charges after he sought treatment for a shoulder wound at Aurora South Hospital. The movers were questioned by police and prosecutors and released without any charges.

 

Car Thief Held At Gunpoint

From listener John comes a tale of modern jurisprudence. Tye Wiegel was interrupted in the pursuit of his trade by a Willimantic, Connecticut resident.  Mr. Wiegel was attempting to steal the man’s car, parked in front of the man’s house. Wiegel declined to cease his attempts, so the resident went into his house, grabbed a handgun, and held the slow-on-the-uptake thief at gunpoint for the police.

Ol’ Tye is well known to the police and is said to be a heroin addict, no surprise there. Police stated that “This is not our first time dealing with him with car break-ins. He was just arrested not too long ago. He was also a suspect in a car break-in earlier today,” He has been charged with sixth-degree larceny, criminal attempt to commit the crime and second-degree breach of peace. For all that, he is held on only a $5,000 bond. Listeners are invited to speculate on how long this one man crime wave will remain behind bars.

 

Police said the homeowner was not hurt but cautioned other residents against confronting criminals.

Surviving a Home Invasion

Many of our DGUs involve home invasions. Unfortunately, home takeovers are becoming increasingly common as thieves become more brazen and violent.  With the home invasion, kidnapping, extortion, torture and murder of the Savopoulous family in Washington, DC, the Statfor Group has written an excellent article on Surviving a Home Invasion. The article is being offered free to non-subscribers. There is no way we could do this article justice trying to summarize it in a few words, so we urge every one of our listeners to follow the link in the show notes and read this potentially life-saving article.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion

 

Alan emailed this one in with the subject line “Holding a bad guy at gunpoint”

 

Hi,

 

Let me start by thanking you for your podcast.  I listen to several different podcasts on a variety of topics, but I rank yours among the most anticipated each week.

 

From time to time someone mentions holding a bad guy at gunpoint until the police arrive. The question I have is how do you do that?  If I were the sort of person who makes a living divesting other people of their possessions, and I were to encounter an armed person not inclined to be a victim, I believe I would simply turn my back, raise my hands in the air and say in a loud clear voice “I’m going to walk away now, I’m not a threat to you.  If you shoot me you will be convicted of murder, if you try to stop me or even touch me you will be convicted of assault.  In either case you will also end up in civil court where me or my family will sue you for everything you and your family have or ever will have.  I’m leaving now, and you would be stupid to try to stop me.” In fact, based on recent news coverage, you could almost make the same speech to a Police Officer.

 

What do you think?

 

Alan Hammock

formerly of Houston, Texas

recently moved to Virginia.

 

PS, If you ever get tired of listening to podcasts, I suggest checking out librivox.org.  They have a catalog of hundreds, maybe thousands of books that have passed into the public domain, which are read by volunteers and available free of charge.  Jules Verne, Edger Rice Burrows, all the books you were supposed to read in high school literature class, books by authors you’ve never heard of, etc.  Most books date back to the early 1900’s or before. It is quite educational listening to hundred year old books and hearing the different attitudes and cultures of the past.  Its a wonderful resource for anyone who spends a lot of time in an activity which would benefit by the addition of mental stimulation.

 

Paul – Here is what I wrote back to Alan –

 

Hey Alan,

 

Thanks for writing in!  I just got home and have added your email to our show notes for Sunday’s show.

 

A few thoughts on your email, I will of course repeat these on the show.

 

#1 if they do stop what they are doing and slowly back away, you are correct that since they aren’t a threat that you could be convicted of murder if you do shoot. However there are a few circumstance where you are morally obligated to shoot a retreating felon EVEN if the threat has stopped. If you attend a MAG40 class this will be discussed. Let me just say that the chances are so remote to the extreme to be say while the chances are not 0 they are close.

 

#2 Holding someone at gunpoint is all about control and command.  Believe me that if I were to boost my voice out good and loud in the proper tone that I can make someone absolutely believe that if they twitch in the wrong way that I am able and prepared to shoot them.

 

#3 We need to differentiate the severity of what you are attempting to stop (or in the case of our conversation have just stopped). If they have just kicked down your door and have maybe stolen something… Let them go. If they have already killed, that is another story.

 

There really is no black and white here.

 

Finally on the point of police, you do seem to have a point with that considering all of the negative publicity in the mainstream media lately, however I really wouldn’t want to be the one to try it.  😉

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/28/more-lethal-help-from-the-federal-government/

There were 27 shootings in Baltimore over the Memorial day weekend. 19 people were robbed in New York City’s central park. Chicago had 12 people shot to death and an additional 47 shot and wounded over the same weekend.  Our oh-so-caring politicians had to show sympathy for this flood of blue-city blood.  Josh Earnest, the White House press secretary, called for more gun control.

 

I pointed out that the violence is the symptom, not a cause.  The cause is the failed policies of deep-blue cities like Baltimore,  Detroit, New York City and Chicago.  You can’t fix stupid with gun-control.

 

I also spoke to a friend of mine.  He is a local spark plug and gets things started and done.  He started one step at a time, so I wrote an article called The Painless Ladder of Self-Defense Activism.

https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/31/the-painless-ladder-of-self-defense-activism/

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog No Lawyers, Only Guns and Money you would like to talk about?

 

I just want to mention a short post I did about the Brady Center lawyers on a case in Wisconsin. They have already had to withdraw from one case because they violated pre-trial publicity rules of the Wisconsin Bar. Now it looks like they will have to withdraw from another case in Milwaukee over the same issue. Their conduct is being alleged to be prejudicial to a fair jury. It looks like another misstep by the Bad Apple lawyers from the Brady Center.

 

This and other posts can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded Sunday May 24th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we talk with John Pierce about Washington DC gun owners taking a step toward concealed carry.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we finally get a chance to talk with our own Rachel Malone about her progress supporting open carry legislation in Texas.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s, a neighbor did more than be a good witness, he saved his neighbor next door from an ongoing attack and abduction. Of course the good guy had a firearm and a concealed carry permit.. so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 330 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

 

John – Last weekend, I went to a family reunion. I got to see cousins whom I hadn’t seen in 30 years or more. Afterwards, we took time to visit the cemetery in which my dad and my grandparents were buried. Being this is Memorial Day weekend, I want to recognize those who served our country and died in its service. I think it is important to remember these men and women. My dad didn’t die while on active duty but did have to take a medical retirement due to non-combat health issues. I do think he had a reduced life span due to the stresses of his service as have many other veterans.

 

On the firearms front, I added a Spanish FR-8 to the collection thanks to Ken S., a fellow NC gunny, I met through Facebook. The FR-8 is a Mauser 98 design adopted by Spain in the 1950s. Given they didn’t have enough CETME auto rifles, some Spanish soldiers were issued these rifles which had some of the same features as the CETME including being in the 7.62 Nato caliber.

 

Gary- Shot the AR and the Para with no malfunctions.

 

Rob– It has been a while.  It is good to hear you again.  I shot the chiappa rhino revolver when I was down in Louisiana.  I bought and shot the Browning 1911-22 for my students with small hands.  (use of external safties) Competed in two IDPA matches.  One with my 1911 and the second with my Glock 19.  That was fun and I learned a lot.  John, I added the slightly extended magazine release and slide release to my 19.  I like the combat sights.  Thank you for those suggestions.

 

Got my concealed carry permit from Arizona.  I also had two awards at a dinner we had with the San Diego Chapter of Gun Owners of California.  One was a service award.  They also had a shooting simulator at the banquet. I won a T-shirt for having the best time that hour.  In fact I was the third or fourth fastest shooter competing, but sometimes it pays to be lucky and shoot after the rush.

 

I was on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady.  I’ll be on his show again next Friday to talk about one of my blog articles.  I also finished a book by gun blogger Jim Curtis.  I finished the first book in his Grey Man series.

 

Susan-   Didn’t take the Beyond Concealed Carry class, but got to meet Bob and Ben and went to dinner. Getting ready for the renaissance festival.

 

Paul – Took the Beyond Concealed Carry enhanced class. Had a great time and and learned a bunch. I want to thank Bob Mayne and Ben Branam for coming up and teaching and everyone who attended.  (I want to talk a little point shooting here.)

 

Problems replacing the magazine while in the holster. If you have a failure don’t quit moving! (Jamming drill while in static line)

 

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Seg 2- News

 

-A federal judge said Washington DC is again breaking the law.  A year ago DC was told its laws denying concealed carry were unconstitutional.  Then the city passed permit regulations that were so restrictive only one person in four thousand would be granted a concealed carry permit.  Judge  Frederick J. Scullin Junior said that was probably illegal and issued an injunction against DC’s regulations.  Quoting Judge Scullin,

 

“The District of Columbia’s arbitrary ‘good reason’/’proper reason’ requirement.. goes far beyond establishing.. reasonable restrictions. Rather, for all intents and purposes, this requirement makes it impossible for the overwhelming majority of law-abiding citizens to obtain licenses to carry handguns in public for self-defense, thereby depriving them of their Second Amendment right to bear arms.” End quote

 

It is unusual for a judge to issue a preliminary injunction.  The case isn’t out of court yet, but it is a small step towards recognizing the right of self-defense for DC citizens.. and for visitors to DC.  http://freebeacon.com/issues/federal-judge-says-dc-gun-carry-law-is-unconstitutional/

DC Police chief Cathy Lanier said of the ruling “It’s not a huge impact for us. We haven’t had a huge number of applicants,” Chief Lanier said during an interview Tuesday on NewsTalk with Bruce Depuyt. “Our residents have been pretty clear this is not something that they wanted. A very small number of D.C. residents have applied for concealed carry.”

 

Rob- people are the same.

 

-Besides hearing cases for the district of columbia, Judge Scullin hears cases for the northern district of New York.  Before he became a lawyer and a judge, Judge Scullin served active duty with the United States Army as a paratrooper, airborne ranger, and as an infantry commander with the 173rd Airborne Brigade in the Republic of Vietnam.  What do you think Judge Scullin might do to the New York SAFE act and the concealed carry laws in New York City?

 

-We have another court case to talk about.  The US Supreme Court in an unanimous decision said someone convicted of a crime may sell their guns to a third party so long as the accused never takes possession or control of the firearms.  The case started when a border patrol agent was convicted of smuggling drugs.  The FBI seized the agents guns, and then refused to sell them to a third party.  The court said the FBI acted illegally and that they must release the firearms for sale or transfer.  I guess some parts of the government have to obey the law after all.

http://controversialtimes.com/issues/constitutional-rights/breaking-supreme-court-issues-decision-on-felons-gun-rights/

 

-We received news that United Parcel Service recently changed its policies.  UPS will no longer ship silencers.. even to FFL licensees.  This has always struck me as bizarre.  The US outlaws the same mufflers that are required for hunting in other countries.  We restrict mufflers that are sold over the counter in Europe.  Until our government comes to its senses, check how you ship your silencers.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/ups-refuses-to-ship-firearms-suppressors-used-for-hearing-protection/#axzz3aMQOUmRf

 

-We’ve seen some state legislatures pass new firearms restrictions.  That is why we have to ask if background checks work at all?  Last week was national law enforcement week.  Of all the officers shot and killed last year, half of them were shot by felons who were prohibited from having a firearm.  The criminals used stolen guns so the thugs never went through a background check.  Criminals simply don’t obey the law.  If background checks don’t stop criminals, then who is inconvenienced and perhaps deterred from buying a firearm?  Gun laws only inconvenience honest gun owners.  Is that failure a flaw in the law.. or is it a feature that was designed in from the start?

http://www.examiner.com/article/question-for-antis-how-do-you-background-checks-on-stolen-guns

 

Gary- I can hear it now.  Some fool is saying we should pass a law requiring criminals to obey the law.

Rob- The anti-rights politicians want to leave my family at risk so that crime pays.. and then the politicians want the police to fight crime.

 

-We have another story about a proposed gun law that won’t work.  New Jersey Representative Bonnie Watson Coleman is 70 years old.  She is a Democrat and was elected last year.  She introduced a bill in congress to restrict the sale of ammunition online.  The bill requires you to buy ammunition from federally licensed ammunition dealers.  It requires these dealers to confirm the identify of their customers with a photo identification.  It also requires the dealers to tell the US attorney general if anyone purchases more than 1,000 rounds within five consecutive days.

 

Rob- I typically order large lots of ammunition to reduce their shipping costs.  Do I become a terrorist of the month?

 

This bill will do nothing to stop crime or terrorism.   A terrorist can simply buy 100 rounds a day for days on end.. or buy from several different distributors.  In addition, our borders are wide open and millions of people and millions of pounds of drugs cross the border each year.  Smuggling ammunition to criminals would never be noticed.  Congresswoman Coleman’s bill has not chance of passage, but it will earn her campaign dollars from Bloomberg.

http://bearingarms.com/new-jersey-democrat-pushes-federal-ammunition-registration-scheme/

 

Rob- Could Obama impose this with an executive order?

 

Break –  I want to run the GRNC audio here  Let’s talk a bit about it before we run it.

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Democrats Urge Background Checks on All Guns Sold At Gun Shows

Some of Bloomberg’s other useful idiots have reintroduced the Gun Show Loophole Closing Act. This old bill once again claims to close the nonexistent gun show loophole by requiring background checks on all gun purchases. However, this bill hides a devious twist: it requires the transfer to be reported to the US Attorney General. That’s the office once controlled by Eric Holder, now under Loretta Lynch, that has become one of the most politicized and lawless of the federal government.

 

This bill, like the Jersey Democrat’s bill to create a database of ammunition purchasers, is part of the push by anti-gun Democrats to identify the armed citizen. The reasons behind their efforts must be chilling for those that still believe in the Bill of Rights. Please contact your Representative and urge a no vote on this insanity.

 

John – I’m ashamed to say Carolyn Maloney is a NC native.

 

-Our friend Jeff Knox pointed out that the impossible has happened.  The media tells us that gun owners are both dangerous AND impotent.  We’re called dangerous gun nuts who could kill hundreds of people.  We’re also told that a citizen with a discretely carried handgun is powerless to stop a violent criminal or terrorist.  Jeff points out where the impossible happens time and again.  It happened in Garland, and Chicago, and at the New Life Church in Colorado, and at dozens of other examples of firearms used for self-defense.  It IS possible to stop violent criminals, stop terrorists and stop deranged individuals bent on hurting innocent people.  That is to meet the attacker with deadly force. While a handgun is not the best option in a pitched gun battle, there’s an old saying that the best gun in a gunfight is the one you have, because the gun you don’t have is not going to do you any good.   Jeff’s article is up at World Net Daily.  The link is in our show notes.  http://www.wnd.com/2015/05/more-fairytales-guns-used-to-save-lives/#29JOXC3y88wISmvk.99

 

-Some of the media understands firearms.  Author Katie Pavlich writes at Town Hall.  Katie reports on a very liberal Texas woman who bought a gun.  The Texas lady made her choice to own a  gun because of two factors: Personal security and fun.  The liberal Texan had five burglaries at her home.  The break ins cost more than money; they stole her piece of mind.  To quote her, I would wake each time a squirrel ran the perimeter of my backyard fence, convinced someone was coming for me. My dreams were all of victimization, or revenge.  Close quote.

 

Then she bought a gun, and everything changed. First, she was shamed by her fellow liberals when they found out she was a gun owner.  Second, she also felt safe living in her home again.  The gun resting on her nightstand became her sleep aid.  We could have told her, but I glad she learned before she was injured.

http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2015/05/22/a-liberal-woman-admits-she-has-a-gun-and-its-awesome-n2002120

 

Gary- This is the power of taking someone shooting.  Their own experience pushes away the media myths.

Rob- I’m interested that her liberal tolerant friends wouldn’t tolerate her owning a gun.

 

Feral Youth

A Brooklyn McDonald’s was the scene of an attack that is unfortunately becoming too common. A pack of youths turned on a man trying to break up a fight between two girls. To shouts of KILL HIM!, twenty to forty school-aged teens beat and kicked the man, putting him into the hospital with life-threatening injuries. Several McDonald’s employees and another man were also assaulted. The attack was recorded by a boy shouting “Kill him right now!” and laughing. He posted the scene on Facebook, where it went viral.

No arrests have been made. Community activists are, of course, appalled, as required by their trade.  A Brooklyn mother said she’s disgusted and scared for her children. “To see something like that … it’s scary.”

It is scary – especially to someone who may be faced with a pack of these feral youths. Be aware, plan ahead – and avoid places where these types of kids congregate.

 

-Here is some good news from Oklahoma.  The legislature recently passed a law allowing trained school staff to carry on campus.  The bill’s sponsor was Representative Jeff Coody.  He said, “..the thinking has always been that if we eliminate guns, it makes it a safer place. The only problem is you cannot eliminate those (people) who are not willing to comply with the law. A gun-free zone is a target(…), a soft target.”  Representative Coody’s bill was supported by the Professional Oklahoma Educators.  These educators said the bill quote “(gives) options to school districts to protect their students.We cannot play games anymore. These are the lives of our children.” close quote.  The bill passed in the Oklahoma Senate by a vote of 40 to 5 and it passed the House by a vote of 82 to 12  http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/05/21/oklahoma-legalizes-arming-teachers-and-staff-on-school-campuses/

 

Rob-  That is great news because of the reason they passed the bill.

Paul- It sounds like Oklahoma is catching up with Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Kansas, Mississippi, Oregon, Utah, South Dakota and Wisconsin.

 

-There is more good news from Minnesota.  Minnesota Governor Mark Dayton signed several pro-rights bills into law.  At first the governor threatened not to sign these bills.  These bills had bipartisan support and the governor signed them.

 

  • Minnesota now recognizes concealed carry permits from several other states.  It now has reciprocity with 15 other states up from only 4 states.  That includes North Dakota citizens with a class-one permit.
  • They legalized firearms mufflers so gun owners can both own mufflers and use them for hunting or sport shooting.
  • They allow carry permit holders to bring handguns into the state Capitol area without requesting permission in advance.  In this case the Capital included a ten block by ten block area, but not anymore.
  • These new laws restricted the government’s ability to seize firearms from the public after a state emergency is declared.  This limits the ability of the police to seize firearms unless the person is arrested … and an arrest requires probable cause.
  • They allowed the purchase of long guns from any state.

Congratulations to Minnesota gun owners and the MInnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance.  Well done. http://www.keyc.com/story/29135382/gov-dayton-signs-public-safety-bill-containing-controversial-gun-provisions

 

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-A similar law passed last week in Florida.  Florida Governor Rick Scott signed a bill allowing Florida residents to carry concealed firearms –without a permit– during an emergency evacuation.  This permitless carry lasts for 48 hours. The 48-hour period may be extended per the governor.

 

-Laws matter.  Chicago politicians created gun-free zones.  Chicago politicians created drug prohibition.  Chicago politicians crushed industry with high taxes and regulations.  That is a well known recipe for disaster.  49 people were shot last weekend in Chicago.  I’m sorry. http://gunsnfreedom.com/gun-control-fail-chicago-had-49-shot-over-past-weekend/5138

 

-We have two more judicial rulings to report.  The first said that legal open carry is not probable cause for a police officer to make an arrest.  The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that open carry is not justification for an officer to stop, arrest, identify and question an individual.  The judge went further.  He said that the officer’s qualified immunity did not extend to detaining an individual who was lawfully open carrying a firearm.  That means officers can be sued and they are personally liable for court costs and damages.  That decision, if it stands, would put some teeth into the law protecting firearms owners.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-bernick/federal-appeals-court-to_b_7284562.html

 

-Listener Anthony Lucafo emailed us the link for this story. A 5th grader is in a bit of trouble in his New Jersey public school. It seems that he brought some ammunition to school. Ammunition for a NERF gun.  While pulling a late slip out of his pocket a foam projectile designed to be fired from a Nerf gun fell to the floor in front of a teacher. This violated the school’s zero tolerance policy for weapons. However as the late Billy Mays would say “but wait theres more!” our young nerf gunslinger had MODIFIED the ammunition! Our young nerf marksman had stuck a toothpick into the round so that it would stick when he fired the round towards the ground! That made the nerf ammo now a “self contained weapon” by the school’s definition. Of course the school immediately moved to expel the obviously dangerous young man, but eventually decided that a 5 day in-school suspension would suffice along with a mark on the student’s “permanent record”

 

Paul – zero tolerance means zero intelligence. It is the single most lazy way to administrate any group.

 

-Let’s end the news on a positive note.  A New Jersey Appellate court ruled that cities in New Jersey may not require added forms from firearm applicants beyond the forms that the state requires.  This is the third such decision from the New Jersey appellate court.  I hope we can now prosecute government officials who unlawfully harass New Jersey firearms applicants with additional paperwork.

http://www.ammoland.com/2015/05/no-added-gun-forms-courts-slaps-down-nj-towns/#axzz3a9uSbGwI

 

Gun Quotes

One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. Martin Luther King, Junior, in his letter from Birmingham Jail

 

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview segment.  We have interviews with Rachel Malone and John Pierce coming up.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Rachel Malone– Licensed open carry passed in both the Texas House and Texas Senate.  Then the senate passed the house bill.  This was the bill Rachel was working on for the last four years.  The Senate passed an amendment so open carry is not probable cause.  One concern was racial profiling of open carriers.

Does it include a provision that removes qualified immunity if a police officer arrests someone who is openly carrying?

This open carry bill may require confirmation in the Texas House.

Thank Don Huffines.  Tell him we have his back.

The bill would take effect 1 Jan 2016.

Some Senators will take credit, but will deny they let the bill sit.

They will claim that open carry barely passed, so constitutional carry is out of reach.  We’ll bring constitutional carry when the legislature meets again in two years.

 

Rachel has been working with her younger brothers and homeschooling them.  She has been busy with 40 hours of music rehearsal.  Summer break starts in a few weeks.

Rachel missed the zombie run.  She hopes to run it in the fall.

 

John Pierce on DC ruling

The law offices of John Pierce

 

Segment 4 DGUs

 

So You Woke Up Stupid This Morning?

“Honestly: That is one less guy I got to worry about bothering my mom when she’s out grocery shopping,” That’s how an Atlanta resident summed up his use of a firearm to stop a robbery.  He had pulled into a store’s parking space when a scruffy 61-year-old man slipped into the passenger seat and announced the car-jacking. The victim pulled his firearm and held the perp facedown on the asphalt until the police arrived, all the while laying down a line of smack talk. Our favorite: “So you woke up stupid this morning?”  When police arrived, you can see the victim wave them over and put his gun down. The police officer shakes his hand before slapping the cuffs on the suspect.

This textbook, and stylish, DGU was recorded on several cell phones; it’s the 21st Century after all. We add our commendations to this everyday hero – he’s a good son.

 

Armed robber changed his mind and wished concealed carrier a good day.

-A 49 year old concealed carrier had finished his dialysis appointment at a doctor’s office and was on his way to his car. A young man came out of the woods near the clarkston michigan doctors office carrying a revolver and demanded the concealed carrier’s wallet. at this point the concealed carrier drew his own gun and asked the 20 year old hispanic male “do you really want to do this?” The would be armed robber told his intended victim to “have a nice day”, then turned and ran back into the woods.

 

-A Pennsylvania woman was abducted and assaulted by her ex-boyfriend for over 20 hours.  The woman escaped and ran outside at about 10 in the morning.  Fortunately, neighbors heard the victim scream when she was attacked again in her backyard.  Rather than simply be a good witness, one neighbor grabbed his handgun and stopped the attack.  Neighbors moved the victim to the front yard to wait for an ambulance.  The attacker was held at gunpoint until police arrived.  The attacker was charged with Criminal Trespass, burglary, and Attempted Homicide.  The gun owner said he would do the same thing again in a heartbeat with no second thoughts and no reservations.  He has his concealed carry permit.

http://bearingarms.com/concealed-carrier-rescues-hostage-captures-naked-attacker/

 

-A man broke into a Memphis home at two in the morning.  The family woke up when they heard breaking glass.  The homeowner grabbed his gun.  When he found the intruder standing inside his home, the homeowner shot the intruder in the head.  The intruder was taken to the hospital in critical condition.  Police have not filed any charges against the homeowner.

http://bearingarms.com/memphis-home-invader-stopped-homeowner-gun/

 

-We’ve all heard the joke about criminals failing the victim selection process.  Well this is one of those stories.  Two men tried his carjack a doctor in Jackson, Mississippi.  The doctor was getting ready to attend a shooting competition and was loading up his truck.  The doctor was taken by surprise.  He was ordered at gunpoint to drive to a nearby bank and withdraw some cash.  The doctor complied, but was able to grab one of his handguns.  He shot and killed one of his attackers.  The other attacker fled on foot.  The shooter had the presence of mind to neither pursue a fleeing criminal nor shoot him as he fled.

http://www.kingfish1935.blogspot.com/2015/05/thugs-try-to-rob-competitive-shooter.html

 

Another Triumph For California’s Legal System

What can you say to a Redding, California woman who was forced to defend herself against a likely armed sex offender, freshly paroled from a weapons charge, wearing a GPS bracelet, probably high on an illegal substance, who had just escaped from deputies holding him at gunpoint? You can only shake your head at the awesome effectiveness of the California legal system.

 

Parolee Dillon Carmelo escaped deputies by reaching into his clothing as if he was going for a gun and fleeing into the neighborhood’s backyards. The deputies informed those nearby of the dangerous felon on the loose. Against the advice of California’s elite, resident Jennifer Doolittle armed herself and went into the backyard to get her dogs inside. There, she was confronted by Carmelo, who popped over a fence and moved toward her acting as if he was reaching for a weapon.

 

Doolittle fired several times, striking Carmelo and stopping the attack. Carmelo continued to struggle until subdued by a Sheriff’s K-9. It is not known at this time if the woman will be charged. A civil suit is almost a certainty.

Several of the Polite Society’s staff can attest to California’s collapsing catch-and-release legal system. It’s why we urge every citizen to be armed, trained and aware. It’s also a big part of why California wants desperately to disarm it’s citizens.

 

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Don’t torque off the old guy part 1
A 77 year old homeowner was in the shower recently when he heard strange noises. He got out of the shower to see what was going on and came face to face with 2 burglars. Apparently our guud guy had a handgun close to him in the shower as he exchanged gunfire with the burglars killing one and the other was sent to the hospital, but the condition of the second bad guy wasn’t known. One boy next door became concerned and called his father. The youngster told his dad that there were police everywhere and he had locked himself in the house. Another neighbor told reporters that she had recently been a victim of a burglary and had lost $80,000 in jewelry. The neighbor said of the homeowner who defended himself  “I think he’s 100 percent correct,They went to burglarize his house. And it’s not the first time he was burglarized.”

 

Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guys (Plural/ Nonsexist) part 2

Once again, we bring you a Tale of the Old Guys. Showing that it’s important to work together in a marriage as well as in a self defense situation, a couple of retirees successfully fought off two armed attacker at their Thomaston, Georgia home. Only a month before they had endured a home-invasion where they were tied-up and robbed at gunpoint. It seems that assault only made them mad — and ready for the next attack.

 

When the wife opened the garage door in the morning, the same two suspects ran at her from the nearby woods, waiving handguns. The Old Gal drew her own gun and whistled a couple of rounds at the suspects. The Old Guy ran to the porch and added his own fire against the suddenly unenthusiastic robbers, who reversed course with all due haste.

Kashif Mohammad, 20, and Daitrelle Saffo, 21, were arrested exiting the woods. They are facing a slew of felony charges, including Armed Robbery and Kidnapping. It is certain they’ll remember one critically important lesson: Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy — and Gal.

 

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Listener e-mail discussion No email this week, but I ran across this story that is somewhat related to our struggle. What if you called 911 and no one came AT ALL? http://www.landlinemag.com/Story.aspx?StoryID=29060#.VWICK0_BzGf

 

A truck driver is involved in a  sideswipe accident. gets the truck under control and rolls to a stop almost a mile down the road. He calls 911 and reports the incident and complains of heart attack like symptoms No one responded to his 911 call. Nine hours later he is found by a driver that works for the same company.

 

-Also before we go to blog posts I want to encourage our listeners to call their Senators and DEMAND that they let the current version of the so-called patriot act die. The current funding for Big Brother is listening is ending at the end of this month and RINO Mitch Mcconnell is fighting hard for reauthorization. There has never been any evidence that any of this debacle has helped to apprehend 1 single terrorist, or jaywalker for that manner. It is time for it to go call (202) 224-3121, you don’t even have to know who your senators are, just the state you live in. (if you don’t know your state might we suggest that you live in the state of confusion and you can see the doc for meds for that.)

 

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

1- I talked about the twenty thousand gun laws that don’t work, and why Politicians want to write more of them.  Politicians sell themselves in the media as in order to get campaign cash.  https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/20/prohibiting-firearms-for-political-profit/

 

2- Gary, you had your mom on the show.  She and Doris Montrose inspired me to write an article.  Supporting the right of armed self-defense is not a black and white issue.  You don’t jump from hating every gun owner to lobbying for firearms rights.  I counted about twenty steps in between.  Changing someone’s mind is moving them by one small step.. but first you have to listen to them to know what they believe. https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2015/05/22/how-to-change-minds-about-self-defense/

 

The articles are up at Clash Daily, Ammoland and at slowfacts dot wordpress dot com.

 

John do you want to mention anything off of your No Lawyers – Only Guns and Money blog  you would like to talk about?

 

Since the last show, the issue of ridding North Carolina of our pistol purchase permit system has started to attract a lot of attention. The gun prohibitionists along with the NC Sheriffs Association are fighting to keep the law. Bloomberg is funding a media campaign to keep the law. I wrote a somewhat provocative post entitled, “If you support a law based on racism, are you a racist?” There is no question that the law mandating pistol permits was drafted with the intent to keep African-Americans unarmed and subservient to the white, segregationist Democrat power structure of NC. My conclusion is that supporting a law based upon such heinous intent does make you at least a little bit racist.

 

My blog can be found at onlygunsandmoney DOT blogspot DOT com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is a big part of what you get to hear.

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Rachel and JOhn Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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Episode 270 – John Pierce

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
John: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday September 17th 2014. I’m John Richardson
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we have John Pierce to discuss the Washington State firearms initiatives.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and defensive gun use, so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John: and hang on! Episode 270 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – I really haven’t done anything gun related since last week between visiting my step-daughter who is “with child” and work. I do hope to get out this Saturday to sight in some rifles.

Rob- I went to a new range nearby that opened a few weeks ago. I’m trying to get a tour so I can review them.

Rachel- I took advantage of a break in between students to run out to the range and shoot my newly set-up AR. I knew I was gonna love it, I just had no idea it was going to be THAT much fun. It was. 🙂

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LOOK FOR NEWS OF NEW JERSEY BILLBOARDS “Free Shaneen From Unfair Prosecution.”

John -You are the first responders.  That is hardly news to our listeners, but it is wonderfully refreshing to hear it from the county coroner in Winston County, Mississippi. Coroner Scott Gregory is fed up with the rash of home and car burglaries in the Louisville, Mississippi  area.  He posted on his facebook page “sit down before you read this.  I’m not encouraging anyone to go on a killing spree. If more folks would handle their own business, I think we would stop getting these calls of houses being broken into.  I say shoot the idiots and call the coroner!”  40 year old Scott Gregory isn’t your average coroner. He’s has been a radio host for 20 years and how hosts a morning show on a classic rock station.  He was a fireman and funeral home worker and was elected coroner in 2003.

Rob – Our listeners are also the first responders to defend our rights.  We received a message from the Minnesota gun owners political action committee.  Anti-self-defense activist Gabby Giffords and her husband Mark Kelly have been spreading their anti-gun money around the Minnesota election.  Giffords and Kelly spent more than $130,000 on a direct mail campaign supporting anti-gun politicians in Minnesota.

We will lose our right of self-defense if we sit back and do nothing.  Sending 15 dollars a year to the NRA is not enough.  Are you registered to vote?  Do you support and volunteer your time to candidates who defend your human rights?  The election season is here.

Rachel – Here is more on politics.  We reported a month ago when Washington DC lost a court decision.  The court told them to allow concealed carry for residents and visitors.  Mayor Vincent C. Gray, D.C. Council Chairman Phil Mendelson and council member Tommy Wells will announce details of the gun-carry proposal today.  We know the city council will put barriers in the way of concealed carriers.  Preliminary reports show the city will adopt a restrictive “demonstrated need” approach to concealed carry.  This is modeled after the laws of Hawaii, New Jersey, Maryland and Massachusetts.

DC residents would have to complete the onerous DC firearms permit process as well as additional safety and training requirements.  City officials say the bill will meet the letter of the law since they will “provide a means for those responsible and suitable firearms owners who can show they have a legitimate need for it to obtain a permit to carry a weapon in public in a concealed manner.”  The city’s police chief would have the authority to deny concealed-carry permits to those who don’t meet the standards.  Permit holders would also be barred from carrying guns in locations including government buildings, public transportation, bars and restaurants, stadiums and places where public officials need to be protected.

John – We have sore news on Panera Cafe.  Panera came out with an anti-gun stand last week when they “requested” that patrons leave their guns at home.  You and I resent the request to be disarmed victims.  We are not alone.  A poll by CNBC proves that point again.  By a ten-to-one ratio, respondents said this decision by Panera Bread Cafes made them think worse of Panera.  Only 9 percent approved the decision.  THAT is news you won’t hear on NBC or in a press release from a Bloomberg astroturf group.

rob – Kochanski’s Concertina Beer Hall was robbed a year ago.  Three men walked into the bar and staged a robbery.  Two of them were armed.  The bar owner shot two of them and killed one of the robbers before the thieves ran away.  100 people celebrated the event this year at Kochanski’s by taking a free concealed carry training class.

Rachel comment- I read the old article about the robbery and self-defense shooting and there were hundreds of comments in support.

John comment- this really is a neighborhood bar.  This is the second concealed carry class they had in the bar.  They had the first class nine days after the shooting last year.

Rachel- Voters in Alabama will vote on a state constitutional amendment designed to protect their right to bear arms for self-defense.  The amendment would preserve their legal rights even if the Second Amendment of the US Constitution were overturned or limited by federal judges.  If federal courts said that sheriffs could deny the right to bear arms, then the Alabama constitution would limit the right of state officials to infringe the right to legally bear arms.

John – Gun Quotes

The show used to be called politics and guns, and we are a few weeks away from the next election.  Our quote is “If your answer to every failure of government is MORE government, then you are like an alcoholic trying to drink yourself sober,” said Will Spencer

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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Segment 3 Interviews

John Pierce- Washington initiative 594.  Assault weapons bans have failed.  Assault weapons were never a problem.  Gun control advocates now want to impose “universal background checks”.   Background checks are a way to register firearms.  This also requires a background check for any “transfer”.  594 increases the waiting period from 5 days to 10 days for all handguns.  A SBR requires a transfer.  They want to make firearms ownership too cumbersome to be practical.  Every firearm in the state requires registration.  This law does not read like the rest of Washington legislation.  It looks like this law was copied from New York legislation.

-DC proposes more regulation for concealed carry.  We have a statement of intent from the DC city council.  They want a “may issue” system based on an immediate need.  You need prior police reports to justify your future need.  The need requirement was approved by the 4th circuit court.  Reciprocity would depend on demonstrated need as well.

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- Stupid runs in this family.  Three men cased a Houston convenience store.  One came back wearing a mask and waving a shotgun at the owner and his family.  That is when 20-year-old Usman Seth snatched the 9mm Smith & Wesson handgun out of his father’s hands and shot the thief.  The thief fired back while Seth yelled at the thief to drop his weapon.  Seth finally shot him again and killed him.  Paramedics removed the thief’s mask and the store employees recognized the thief.  The thief’s brother came to the store the next day and threatened to murder the family.  The store had been robbed several times before.

Rob Comment- I hope the Houston police put the fear of death into the thiefs family.

John – Comment- it won’t be long until the dead robber’s family claim he was a good person and was turning his life around.

Rob – 60 year old Todd Taylor went to his estranged wife’s home in Swatara, Pennsylvania.  He fired several times at her home with his shotgun.  He walked inside and shot through doors, wounding people barricaded inside.  The homeowner’s nephew fled the house, but then returned and shot Taylor.  The nephew then disarmed Taylor and waited for police to arrive.  County prosecutors will not file charges.

John?- An employee for an armored car company walked up to a bank in Lakewood, Washington.  He noticed a man wearing an obvious disguise standing outside the bank.  Instead of entering the bank, he contacted another armored car employee inside.  As the armored car guard approached from inside the bank, the robber drew his weapon and fired.  The guard fired in self-defense.  The robber was hit in the head and the thigh, but managed to limp to a getaway car.  The criminal was later dumped at a near by hospital and rushed into surgery.  Police are looking for the female driver of the getaway car.

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(DO NOT READ)The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes and it is called Podcast Box.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

 

I did a post on Saturday morning about an offer from the Americans for Responsible Solutions – the Gabby Giffords – Mark Kelly organization. They were giving away a copy of their new book for a donation of ANY size. I gave them $1 and think that it will cost them about $7 plus for the book and postage. As Mike Vanderboegh said, quoting Chairman Mao, it is the duty of every guerrilla to sap the strength of his enemy by existing off that enemy’s substance. As I said, that is $6 plus dollars that won’t be going to their anti-gun cause.

(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.

(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

Episode 269 – Frank Fiamingo

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Sunday, September 14th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll discuss some updates in the Shaneen Allen prosecution with Frank Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly news and self-defense stories.
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: and strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 269 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rachel- I visited with Texas GOP Chairman Steve Munisteri at a local Republican club meeting last week and reminded him about the resolution we passed at the State Convention in June to prioritize gun legislation. Hopefully he will encourage the State Republican Executive committee to take up that issue. However, it looks like we’re going to have to wait until the December meeting for that; I attended the quarterly SREC meeting yesterday and, unfortunately, gun right legislation was nowhere on their radar.

Sometimes political activism involves high-energy, fast-action, heavily-involved intense work. This weekend was quite the opposite. On the surface, nothing was accomplished for gun rights or liberty. It was the slow, behind-the-scenes work of meeting people in positions of authority and power, networking, holding them accountable, letting them know we WILL be back, and being supportive of those who have supported us in the past. Our time is all limited, and political activism can be discouraging; I believe we must each pick what we feel is the most valuable way to use our time. For me, this past weekend, that was the SREC meeting, and I’m glad I went.

Rob- Steel shoot with two new shooters. The other three friends that were supposed to join me called in sick. I chose the slow and sure approach and had one miss out of 30 targets. That was good enough to win a pin.

Paul – Had Monday and Tuesday off for truck repairs and since I want to go to GRPC I worked Saturday. That means that we record this one on Sunday. I did get some exciting gun related stuff done this week though. I secured the range for 2 REALLY cool weekends next year. We have already released that Bob Mayne and Ben Branam are coming up to do their Beyond Concealed Carry class in May, and Just this week we finalised plans for Kathy Jackson to come back to Sioux Falls next August to to another Cornered Cat co-ed class! I have one more that I am working on that I am SUPER excited about that just isn’t ready to talk about yet. I REALLY wish that I could because it is super cool, but stay tuned I hope to be able to give out details in the near future.

Had a bit of a scare when I got to SF last night. I was backing my truck into a spot at a receiver where we do drop trailer loads. There wasn’t supposed to be anyone there, and as I drove around the building there wasn’t. As I finished my back a SUV pulls around to the back of the building (where I am backing in) and has it’s bright lights shining right at my truck. (when I back I have the driver’s side window rolled all the way down and at some points in the back I am actually sticking my head out of the window as I look back) I had no night vision now, and all I could see was these bright headlights pointing at me. I stopped the truck, set the breaks, rolled the window up and grabbed my phone. After a few minutes the SUV started rolling again and when he turned his headlights away from me I could see that it was the security patrol. Just a gentle reminder, if you are around a truck that is backing at night, even your low beams can hurt the drivers eyes if you are pointing them at the truck as he is backing up. High beams will mostly blind him and really get him paranoid.

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Episode 268 – Kids and Guns

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, September 10th, 2014. I’m Rachel Malone
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use. so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rachel : and hang on! Episode 268 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rachel- You won’t believe it. I can’t believe it actually happened….but it’s true, I finally got those parts put on my gun, thanks to a great friend’s help. My AR now has a low-profile gas block, free-float handguard, BattleComp compensator, EOTech, and a couple of Magpul add-ons. Now I really can’t wait to go out and shoot the thing.

John – Since the weekend, it has been work, work, work. I did get time this afternoon to drop into my local surplus store and now have a great first aid kit. All I need to make it a blowout kit is a chest seal.

Rob- I had dry practice and a group training session. I’ll take a group to their first steel shoot this Saturday. I’m already excited that the Gun Rights Policy Conference is two weeks away. I’ve already had a friend say he can’t go due to financial problems.

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Rachel- Arizona is a gun friendly state.  Unfortunately this is the political season and there is a gun grabber in every crowd.. even in the Arizona legislature.   Democratic Representative Victoria Steele plans to introduce a bill to making it illegal to transfer an automatic firearm to anyone under the age of 16, including at a gun range.  There is never a shortage of politicians who want to limit your access to firearms.  Let me apologize to our democrat listeners.  I know these politicians don’t speak for you.

John Comment- So kids would be confined to shooting crew served weapons that sit on a tripod?  That doesn’t make sense.

John – We reported that a California District Court judge found aspects of the 10 day waiting period unconstitutional.  A similar case has been filed in Georgia.  The organization  Georgia Carry took a county sheriff to court over a county imposed mandatory 10-day waiting period on sales of used guns.  The suit names Sheriff Richard Roundtree as a defendant and is seeking the county’s ordinance on selling used weapons be overturned. The county ordinance places a mandatory 10-day hold on used firearms before a dealer can resell them. The gun rights group maintains this violates Georgia’s preemption law that prohibits counties and cities from regulating the sale of firearms.  10 days might once have been a reasonable time to report and detect a stolen firearm.  Now it takes seconds with electronic communications.

Rachel Comment- I hope the county pays up.

Rob – Here is a city that is getting an education in human rights.  The city spends money on parades and public events.  It spends money on security provided by city employees.  The city spends taxpayer money on sanitation services provided by city employees for these special events.  The city sets up public address systems.  So there you are as a member of the  public at.. say the fourth of July Celebration in a city park.. and the city says you have to leave your right of free speech at home.  The Idaho constitution protects the first amendment for speech and assembly.  The Idaho constitution also protects the right to bear arms in public.  That is why the Idaho Second Amendment Alliance is suing the city of Coeur d’Alene.  Fortunately Coeur d’Alene City Councilman Steve Adams has made Coeur d’Alene’s local ordinance – banning all weapons at parades and public assemblies – an issue since March of this year.  Councilman Adams again asked the council to allow people attending a local parade or assembly to carry firearms.

The Idaho Second Amendment Alliance asks firearms owners to attend the city council meetings in Emmett, Fruitland, Lewiston and Mountain Home as well.

John Comment- we asked you nicely, and since that didn’t work, here is a lawsuit you get to explain  to the voters.

rachel – We’ve heard anti- gun groups advocate making a panicked phone call to the police every time they see a firearm in public.  That may now land someone in jail for lying to the police.  21 year old John Crawford called police and said a man was waving a rifle around inside a Wal-Mart store.  Crawford said the man was pointing the rifle at children and threatening them.  Crawford said the gunman had shot people and was reloading to shoot again.  Police arrived and shot the gunman.

Video records indicate the shopper was carrying a pellet rifle he was buying at Wal-Mart.    The shopper was talking with his girlfriend at the time and was in a calm state of mind.   Now the witness, John Crawford is changing his story and says the shopper was never a danger to anyone.  Before he was shot, the shopper told the police  the firearm was not real.  Investigation showed the air-rifle was unloaded and the shopper did not have any pellets for it.  All of this was captured on security video.  All of Crawford’s statements are recorded on the 911 call.  The investigation brings Crawford’s actions as well as the actions of local police into question.  Local police turned the investigation over to the Ohio Attorney General.  A grand jury convenes on September 22.

john – Turnabout is fair play, and also funny.  The corporate management of Panera Bread Cafes asked gun owners to avoid their restaurant while carrying.  In response, a shooting range posted a sign asking patrons not to bring their full carb loaded automatically glycemic Panera bread into their range.

Rachel Comment- works for me.  I can avoid Panera.

Rob Comment- I remember Panera Bread.  An Omaha, Nebraska Panera Bread store was robbed and the armed robber forced the disarmed store employees to huddle in a bathroom until he left.

Rachel comment- Connecticut Senator Richard Blumenthal made a public statement supporting Panera’s no gun request, Quote “Another company does the right thing.  Panera Bread asks customers to leave guns at home.”

John – Comment – that would be the same Sen. Blumenthal that lied about his service in Vietnam.

rob – Here is another case of turnabout.  This time the police are claiming that their ignorance of the law justifies a false arrest.  We told you about the Vice Principal at a Bakersfield junior high who was arrested for bringing a firearm on campus.  The police forgot to check that the Vice Principal had a concealed carry license when he brought his licensed firearm with him in his backpack on campus.  Now the police are being sued for false arrest.

Rachel- Comment- The cops are saying the law is too complicated to understand?

Rob- Comment- Yep, that is their defense.

John- Comment- These are the same cops always say “tell it to the judge”.  The vice principal will do exactly that, and the cops should lose big time.

Rob- Comment- I wish I were on that jury.

rachel – There appears to be a double standard for teacher’s misconduct in California.  In the previous example, the teacher did not break the law, but was put on administrative leave.  Here is an example of a teacher threatening students with lethal harm and her union was successful in keeping her on the job.  Consider what your sheriff would do if you said things like California teacher Krista Hodges.  Quote, “I already wanna stab some kids.  Is that bad?  So happy to be done with school for ten days, but especially to be away from the ones who truly try my patience and make my trigger finger itchy.”  I wonder why the teachers union protected this teacher but not the vice principal?

Rob- Comment- They were blinded by their anti-gun ideology.

John- comment- you or I would be in jail if we said thing like that online.

john – The California legislature passed bills requiring that air-rifles and toy guns have barrels with a bright orange muzzle.  That bill has not been signed into law, but police already found drug gangs with real firearms painted to look like a child’s toy.  The dangerously naive thinking of the proposed law is children are at risk once criminals paint their firearms to look like toys.

Rachel- comment- Politicians have never stopped grabbing guns simply because their laws don’t work.

rob – Hours ago, the Missouri Senate overrode Democrat Governor Jay Nixon’s veto of a state firearms preemption bill.  The pre-emption bill was strongly opposed by advocates of local firearms regulation like Kansas City Mayor Sly James, Senate Minority Leader Democrat Jolie Justus, and Saint Louis Mayor Democrat Francis Slay.  The vote in the senate was 23 to 8, and the bill is expected to easily pass in the state assembly.   A carry permit in Missouri already allows the licensee to carry concealed or open.  This bill also reduces the age requirement for a conceal carry permit to 19 from 21 and allows specially trained teachers to carry concealed guns in public schools.

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rachel – New York City is buying an acoustic sensor system to locate gunfire in the city.  This reduces police response time after shots are fired on the street.  The system only covers a fraction of the five boroughs.  The city hopes to have the system operating by early 2015.  The police commissioner and mayor said the system could help police reduce the rising number of public shootings.

John- Comment- These are the same city officials who disarm the citizens and make them helpless.

Rachel- comment- Yep, no concealed carry.

Rob- comment- not even a pocket knife.  New York City is officially a weapons free area.

Rachel- comment- their gun-free zone is broken.

john – Now this is a gun buyback I can support.  Ohio Carry set up tables near a gun buy-back scheduled by the Cleveland Police.  The police offered gift certificates and tickets to a minor league hockey team.  Ohio Carry offered cash. Quote “We saved about 100 guns. Anything worth saving was saved. I would say less than 10 guns of actual value made it through us to get turned in to police. If the guns weren’t worth anything, we directed them over to the police to at least get something for them. And we did encounter a couple with scratched off serial numbers that we immediately directed to the police.”

Rob- comment- Every gun that we keep guns from police buy-backs, a gun grabber sheds a tear.

John – comment – It also goes to show criminals can use gun buybacks to ditch hot guns anonymously.

rob – It worked in California, so now they gun-grabbers are trying it in Oregon.  The first hearing on banning lead ammunition is scheduled for September 16.  The Oregon House Interim Committee On Agriculture and Natural Resources will hold an “informational meeting” on lead ammo legislation.  Governor Kitzhaber behind the lead ammo ban.  It’s unclear if this legislation will start as a ban on lead ammo for hunting, or a ban on lead ammo altogether. This is a political effort, not an environmental one, so I’d ask Oregon firearms owners to become active now.  This first hearing is a political setup since it is open to the public but only invited testimony is allowed.

John- comment- the name for this is rationalization.

rachel –  The Bloomberg group Moms Demand Attention has told Kroger Supermarkets to ban firearms, or else their billionaire funder will take out advertisements against the supermarket.  They made that press release during the same week when 100 teens went on a rampage in a shopping mall and in a Kroger market.  They knocked three people unconscious and stomped and kicked one of the unconscious victims.  The store was in Memphis, Tennessee

Rob- comment- It’s called Mogadishu on the Mississippi for a reason!

john – Wait, friends, there is more.  The media outlet MSNBC ran a poll asking its viewers if Kroger shoppers should be allowed to carry handguns in the store.  83 percent of the respondents said yes.  Only one person in six said citizens bearing arms could threaten public safety.

Rachel- comment- I doubt that was the answer they expected.

Rob- comment- I bet they won’t ask that question again.

rob – The US Department of Justice is hampering an the legal investigation lead by.. the US Department of Justice.  Senior officials at the DOJ barred and delayed the inspector general from access to documents investigating Operation Fast and Furious.  The IG said “The FBI and some other department components … have refused our requests for various types of documents. As a result, a number of our reviews have been significantly impeded.”  The DOJ Inspector General Michael Horowitz testified to the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.  Operation Fast and Furious was one of the  DOJ programs that ran guns to Mexican drug cartels.  Those firearms were then used to kill mexican citizens and US border patrol agents.

rachel – Firearms sales reached a phenomenal record last year.  This year they have dropped back to the still unbelievable rates of 2012.  The National Shooting Sports Federation released its  August 2014 adjusted National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) figure of 989,337 per month.  That is the third highest August on record for the 16-year-old system, even with a decrease of 2.7 percent compared to the August 2013 NSSF-adjusted NICS figure of 1,016,559.  For comparison, the unadjusted August 2014 NICS figure of 1,538,347 reflects a 9.2 percent increase from the unadjusted NICS figure of 1,408,468 in August 2013. The adjusted NICS data were derived by subtracting out NICS purpose code permit checks used by several states such as Connecticut, Illinois, and Utah for CCW permit application checks as well as checks on active CCW permit databases.

John- comment- Gun culture 2.0 is alive and growing.

Rachel- comment- I’d heard that gun sales were down, but I didn’t believe it because I still couldn’t find 22 caliber ammunition on the shelves.

Rob- comment- I like the way you think.  One observation on store shelves is worth a stack of statistics.

john – Gun culture 2.0 is not confined to the United States.  A report from Vienna  reveals that applications for gun permits in the Austrian capital are growing and there are now 85,000 registered weapons in the city. A local woman said she bought a gun after several of her neighbours had been the victims of crime. In Austria, gun laws are much less strict than in the United Kingdom.  Many weapons that require a full licence from the police can be purchased over the counter in Austria, such as pump-action shotguns and repeating rifles.  Only weapons like handguns and semi-automatic rifles require a licence, and there were 460 new applications last year.

rob- A New Jersey lawmaker took up the case of Shaneen Allen.  New Jersey State Senator Jeff Van Drew said “In this case, we’re punishing an innocent woman who made an honest mistake, and was totally legal in her home state of Pennsylvania. I mean, honest mistakes happen, she’s a legal, law-abiding person and a mistake occurred and quite frankly the judge should have discretion and jurisdiction.” Van Drew co-sponsored a bill so cases like Allen’s can avoid the state’s mandatory jail time if convicted.  A similar bill is in the New Jersey House.

rachel – The new jersey second amendment association started their fully informed voter project this week.  They handed out leaflets across from the County criminal court in Atlantic County, NJ.  They greeted people arriving for jury duty and said “Good morning, may I give you this brochure on juror rights”.   Over all, people seem to be interested in knowing what their rights are.   They will be back next Monday to continue leafletting in Atlantic County.  They have plans to expand into all of New Jersey’s 21 counties.

rachel Gun Quotes

Those who want to reap the benefits of this great nation must bear the fatigue of supporting it.  Thomas Paine

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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Segment 4 DGUs

John – A man was standing in line at a North Philadelphia takeout restaurant.  Another man in line drew a gun and tried to rob him.  The restaurant customer drew his own firearm and shot the robber in the neck.   The robber was taken to Temple University Hospital in critical condition. The shooter was claiming self defense. There was no initial word on any charges.

comment- action beats reaction

rob – Douglas Hudson, 36, had a protective order against him filed by his ex-girlfriend. That didn’t stop him from entering her bedroom early Saturday morning with a pistol in his hand. She awoke to see Hudson standing at the foot of her bed where she was sleeping with her current boyfriend. The current boyfriend grabbed his pistol and engaged in a gunfight with Hudson. Both men ended up being shot and were transported to UAB Hospital for treatment. Hudson died at the hospital from his injuries. He had a lengthy criminal record for cocaine trafficking as well as assault. Birmingham [AL] police are investigating the shooting as a homicide and the details will be presented to the District Attorney’s Office. Investigators did note that Hudson had made a key to her residence without her consent.

rachel – Moss Point [MS] police arrested Nicholas Buchan, 21, of Pascagoula after responding to a home invasion on Adcock Street on Friday. Moss Point Police Chief Art McClung said Buchan invaded the home of a married couple around 4 a.m. Friday morning. The home invader entered through a window but was chased out of the home by the husband who was armed. There are no reports of shots being fired. Chief McClung says the couple was able to give a good description of Buchan and provide a nickname. Buchan was later arrested for burglary.

John – A shotgun-wielding home invader was shot and killed by the homeowner early Sunday morning. The incident happened in Person County [NC].  According to Sheriff Dewey Jones, the homeowner, whom the sheriff refused to name, discovered Jonathan Ellias Ziminack, 25 in his bedroom around 5am. The homeowner pulled a pistol from beside his bed and fired one shot at the home intruder. The bullet hit the shotgun before striking Ziminack in the stomach. Ziminack was airlifted to Duke University Med Center where he died.  Ziminack’s getaway driver, Cody Alicia Bowling, 20, was charged with conspiracy to commit 1st Deg Burglary. Other charges may be pending against her.

rachel Comment – According to NC records, Ziminack was a convicted felon who was only released in January.

rob – An Omaha, Nebraska man was at home Monday morning.  A man rang the bell at the front of his house.  Before he could answer, the man came in through the front door.  The homeowner’s four year old daughter saw the man outside her bedroom door.  That is when the homeowner shot the intruder. Police Officers found Darrell Miller lying on the porch with a gunshot wound.  He was taken to a local medical center where he died.  The intruder had an outstanding warrant for his arrest.

John comment- Don’t get between a bear and her cubs, or a dad and his four year old daughter.

rachel-  We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  They are a great way to introduce our podcast to a friend.

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Kids and guns-
Kids and guns is a continuation of kids and responsibility. I added rules to child’s play. When you see kids play with monsters, you ask them where the monster went, and ask them to put the monster away in its crate when they are done playing with it. Later you ask, Where is your sword. You didn’t leave it on the floor where I’d cut myself, did you? Here, you need a scabbard for your sword. The point is that there are rules even in fantasy play.

This continues when your children shoot finger guns. Don’t point that loaded finger gun at me. Let’s check if your finger gun is loaded. You need a holster. Treat your finger gun as if it is always loaded.

Children and Firearms: raising a polite society

How do you raise a polite society?
How do you raise your kids to be the kind of citizens you want them to be….responsible, trustworthy, courteous; able to handle firearms safely and competently, understanding their purpose and use? How do you make that happen?

Same way you’d teach anything else really important that you want to instill in them: model it. Be that person. Let them see you as a safe, responsible, knowledgeable firearms owner and user in your daily life.

Considerations:
1.) Safety
2.) Privacy – consider what they will tell others. Don’t let them have information that’s not public until you trust them to keep it private.
Rob- Say that again-

Teach them to keep information private – there are some things we just don’t talk about.

As long as you don’t hinder your safety or privacy, include your children in the way you make firearms a part of your everyday life.

Safety Rules
– make them memorize as young as possible
– even before then, let them see you living out the safety rules

Handling
– Let them see you clean guns (considerations: good ventilation)
– Let them help you (age-appropriately and with supervision as needed)
– Show them how it works (age-appropriately) so it’s not a mystery
Scenario: Jordan figuring out how to reassemble, exploring the various parts and seeing how they fit together

Rob? Take the excitement away from firearms by satisfying a child’s . A dirty gun gathers no excitement. A dirty gun in pieces is less than exciting, it is repulsive. My children had to clean before they could touch. They had to clean before they could shoot.

Carrying
– start them as early as possible with toy guns, wooden sticks you’re pretending to be guns, stocks with a sling; when they’ve demonstrated safety and maturity, move to BB guns, airsoft, then actual firearms
– Teach them to do it just as you would with a real gun – using a good holster, being careful not to sweep bystanders when drawing
Scenario: children carrying play guns alongside their parents at open carry walks – follow the same safety rules
Scenario: when I’m loaning a youth shooter my 10/22 for an Appleseed shoot, I will show them how to use it and carry it safely, then I let THEM be the ones to carry it to the line.

Shooting
– Be sure it’s comfortable and enjoyable
– Noise: use plenty of ear protection
– eye protection – teach the importance
– Hot brass: they’ll experience it eventually but try to prevent it from happening the first few times
– Elbow pads, knee pads, etc.
– Fit the gun to them – shorter stocks, risers, etc.
– Gloves sometimes help
– Let them take their time – dont’ rush them
– Let them leave when they’re done – don’t force them to stay
– Food and water
– Let them handle the guns, clear them, dryfire, etc. long before a trip to the range so they’re comfortable with the gun
Scenario: Appleseed shoots are a great introduction to shooting for responsible youth shooters. Bring a group of friends and make it the cool thing to do. Go out for ice cream afterward – that’s my tradition and everyone knows they’ll have that to look forward to after a long, tiring day at the range.

Other considerations:
– It’s OK if they don’t love guns. Your goal isn’t to raise a gun nut – it’s to raise a safe, responsible citizen.
– If your kid didn’t want to read, he’d still have to learn. He may never be an English major but he still needs to learn to read fluently. That’s how I’d treat firearms training – like a mandatory school subject that they must learn, and then they can choose what to do with it in the future after they are fluent in the basics.
– Consider what things might make your children dislike firearms and try to prevent it. For example: you paying more attention to guns and shooting than you do to them; a poor experience shooting; being laughed at; guns that don’t fit well; having to go to a shooting event when they wanted to do something else.

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John – I did a post that I put up last night playing off something Sen. Harry Reid said Monday. Reid, talking about the Koch brothers, said billionaires were trying to buy our democracy. Harry’s right but he had the wrong billionaires. If you look at the amount of money put into the universal background check initiative in Washington State, I-594, you will see approximately 75% of it comes from five billionaires plus one multimillionaire heiress. Collectively, they have put in over $5 million dollars into the campaign. On the pro-gun side the largest individual donation was by a Boeing engineer and it was for $1,500. Now who are the billionaires trying to buy democracy. You decide.

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.  If YOUR state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. John and Rob will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
John: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
Rachel: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 266 – Laura Carno and Assemblyman Brian Jones

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, September 3rd, 2014
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll have interviews with Laura Carno and California Assemblyman Brian Jones
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news, so climb aboard
Rachel strap in
Rob: and hang on! Episode 266 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- Dry practice, buying ammunition and writing. The article I wrote about my “may issue” sheriff was picked up by Ammoland. From there it was picked up by NRA news. Scheduling some training.

Rachel- Not much news, just work and homeschooling. Enjoyed our trip to the beach last weekend and watched a great football game in which my brother’s team won.

John – My Next Level Training SIRT pistol arrived yesterday. And I love it! I have been doing some dry fire practice and trying out all the features of it.

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Rachel -John Katso was a New York prosecutor.  He prosecuted organized crime.  He prosecuted street gangs in Syracuse, and put 130 gang members in jail.  He and his family were threatened.  Katso asked for and received permission to carry a firearm.  His car was robbed in the church parking lot while Mr. Katso and his family were inside.  His firearm was taken from the car.  A few weeks later, the thieves used the stolen firearm in a strongarm robbery of an illegal gambling house.  All that happened 14 years ago.  This November, John Katso is running for congress.  Katso’s opponent says he negligently gave firearms to criminals.  Here are points to ponder;

One- Take your gun with you when you go to church.
Two- Read political comments in New York media very carefully.

John Comment- The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms loses about 15 firearms a year.

Rob- A police officer in New York city stopped at a Bronx bodega on his way to work at the 44th precinct.  Three thugs beat him and grabbed his firearm.  Fortunately, they did not kill the officer.  Backup officers caught the thugs and recovered the pistol.. this time.

John Comment- The 44th precinct is where John Cardillo was a patrolman.  We’ve had John on the show.
Rob Comment- I’ve heard an officer say he can never lose a fight.  The officer can run away, but if he loses a fight then the odds are the thugs will kill him with his own gun.
Rachel Comment- Here is an important safety tip- don’t fight a police officer.

John- Welcome back from your long Labor Day weekend.  In New York City, 15 people were shot on Saturday and Sunday, and another 10 were shot on Labor Day.  4 of them died from the gunshots.  In Chicago, 33 people were shot and three of them died over the three day weekend.

Rob Comment- Ouch.  Those gun free zones aren’t working, are they!

Rachel- This phrase has become a joke, “Trust me.  I’m from the government and I’m here to help.”  The US military was going to help local law enforcement by giving them surplus military weapons.  They received M-4’s, M-14s and M-16s.  They received shotguns, handguns and armored vehicles.  As you’d expect, the local police departments are not as careful with other people’s property as they might be with their own equipment.  184 state and local police departments have been suspended from program and the entire program is under review.  Weapons are missing from police arsenals.. as well as two humvees.

In Mississippi, the Meridian Police Department was suspended from the program after their inventory showed four missing M14s.  In neighboring Arkansas, the Lawrence County Sheriff’s Department was suspended after it lost an M14 assault rifle and a night vision scope that was “damaged and destroyed” without prior approval.  The Huntington Beach, California Police Department was suspended from the program after losing an M16 assault rifle.  Quote

“The loss was discovered during an internal audit, and an investigation was inconclusive as to how that occurred.”

John Comment- I have a curio and relics license, and I don’t think the lost weapons were transferred with a 4473.
Rachel Comment- No, probably not.

Rob – This law enforcement officer knows his citizens.  Maryland politics are dominated by Baltimore and the DC suburbs.  Rural Maryland is another country entirely.  Wicomico [wy-KAHM-ih-koh] County Sheriff Mike Lewis reminded the citizens of his county that he will not violate the Constitution.  “I made a vow and a commitment.  As long as I am sheriff of this county, I will not allow the federal government to come in here and strip my citizens of the right to bear arms.”  Sheriff Lewis is mindful of keeping firearms out of the hands of dangerous felons, but also explained, “We do not need to strip law abiding citizens of their Second Amendment right to bear arms. That I get upset over. I really do.  I can tell you this.  If they attempt to do that, it will be an all-out civil war. No question about it.”

Rachel Comment- I bet he is part of the Constitutional Sheriff’s and Peace officers association.
rob Commnet- I wish he were my Sheriff.
John Comment- Yeah, but then you’d have to live in Maryland.
Rob Comment- Good point.

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John- Welcome back. The California legislature did not close business until 5am Saturday morning.  There were several proposed bills that attacked the right of armed self-defense.  Some of them died in the legislature, and some of them are sitting on the Governor’s desk waiting for his signature.  The Firearms Policy Coalition wants to flood California Governor Jerry Brown’s office with e-mails and faxes.  Give them some clicks at VetoGunControl.com  These bills establish firearms restraining orders, mandate firearms registration, and mandate a gun owner re-transfer his own firearms each time he leaves or enters the state.

Rachel Comment- Let’s give California gun owners some help.

Rob – Here is some more news from the land of the fruits and nuts.   A junior high school vice principal in California was arrested after he didn’t break the law.  Bakersfield police took 51 year old Kent Williams, into custody sometime after 9 am.  Williams is Vice Principal of Tevis Junior High School.  Assistant Superintendent Gerrie Kincaid said she immediately notified police when a district administrator called her with an anonymous tip that a staff member had a gun on campus.

Vice Principal Williams cooperated with the school resource officer and said his licensed  firearm was secured in his office.  It took the Bakersfield police several hours to conclude that no laws had been broken because the Vice Principal holds a valid Kern County concealed weapons permit that allows him to have a firearm on a school campus.  The Vice Principal remains on paid administrative leave from the Panama-Buena Vista Union School District for violating district policy by bringing the firearm on campus before he received permission from Superintendent Gerrie Kincaid.  Superintendent Kincaid said “We’re a gun-free zone.”

Rachel Comment- Evidently they are far from a gun free zone.
John Comment- A gun free fantasy zone maybe, but not a gun free zone.
Rachel Comment- Does an “anonymous tip” sound suspect to you too?

Rachel- Here’s some breaking news from Texas. Today, Michael Keoughan stood trial regarding his arrest in Andrews, TX last January when he was openly carrying a rifle. Michael is a part of Come And Take It Texas but was doing a solo walk in a new location as part of a brand-new CATI chapter. CATI-TX has stood with him through his legal harassment this year, and today he was vindicated as the jury returned the verdict: Not Guilty.

Rob Comment-  It is legal if we all do it but not legal if you open carry alone?

John – The Washington Times described the booming business from pro-gun restaurants.  There are some 57 thousand businesses that welcome the armed citizen.  The Cajun Experience in Leesburg, Virginia, has Second Amendment Wednesdays, where patrons are encouraged to either go concealed carry or open carry.  Shiloh Brew & Chew in Maryville, Tennessee gained national media attention by putting a sign in the window of her restaurant welcoming firearm owners with permits.  The Chicken Express in Bossier City, Louisiana, gave a free combo meal to patrons who showed up with a concealed carry license.   John Kavanaugh owns Kavanaugh’s Esquire Club in Madison, Wisconsin decided not to disarm his honest patrons with a “no guns” sign. Quote ”..what if a crook came in and realized he was the only one with a firearm? Why should I post that? There’s never been an issue about it. We have such a variety of customers — older, younger, a lot of families.”  Some restaurants ask their customers to disarm.  The Pit Authentic Barbecue in Durham, North Carolina, decided to  hang a “No Weapons, No Concealed Firearms” sign in the window.  The barbecue restaurant was robbed at gunpoint in May. Two employees were injured, with one ending up in the hospital. Their Raleigh restaurant is the one  that hosted Gabby Giffords on her so-called listening tour.

Rachel Comment- Gun check! Who has their gun?
Rob Comment- Podcasting makes me hungry!

Rachel- Last episode we talked about more school districts with armed school staff on campus.  This is why they are critically important.  A teenager threatened to shoot her classmates and teachers at Franklin High School near Cincinnati, Ohio.  The 15 year old student told her friends she wanted “to do a mass school shooting and end it with suicide by cop.”  Her friends told school officials and the student was arrested.  She is being held at the Warren County Juvenile Detention Center.

Rob Comments-???  I’m sad that this young lady is suicidal.  We’re lucky she was stopped in time.  I’m glad more school staff are armed.

Rob- This is a story about someone who hates gun owners.  The self-proclaimed liberal democrat Mike Dickinson sent out a tweet saying “Dear god, please use Ebola to infect the NRA and it’s various members. For they are a true virus and true terrorists in America.  There would be no funnier thing then to see the NRA members in a death clutch of their gun while dealing with Ebola.”  Dickinson used shock media to get attention before.  In July he offered 100 thousand dollars for nude photos of the hunter and college cheerleader Kendall Jones.   Dickinson also attacked the The Tea Party and Christians.

John Comment-  I don’t think reaching out as a kinder and gentler gun owner is going to help with this guy.  He hates us.
Rachel Comment- Haters are going to hate, and it isn’t about us.

John – We have discussed the impact of concealed carry on the murder rates in Chicago a number of times on the podcast. A different take on this comes from Kurt Hofmann writing for the JPFO. Kurt holds that it is unnecessary to rely upon statistics to make our case for gun rights. Kurt states, “I don’t care because fundamental human rights–and the right to self-defense must be seen by any rational, ethical person as chief among those–cannot legitimately be held hostage to a requirement for a favorable statistical outcome.” He goes on to make the point that using numbers to justify our rights tacitly surrenders those rights if the numbers turn against us. He concludes by saying that our opponents try to bolster their weak arguments using stats like “a gun in the home is 43 times as likely to kill a family member” etc and that we must be better than that.

Rachel – This might seem philosophical, but we can do that every now and again.  Some liberal politicians want us to turn in our guns.  All of them.  Those are their words, not our words.  Their  “common sense regulation” is simply a series of stepping stones to disarmament.  We’ve taken about 23 thousand such steps in the United States so far, and the gun grabbers are still not satisfied.  Let me modify that last statement; citizens will be disarmed, not the government.  In fact, as citizens are disarmed and crime soars, the police claim they need more and more arms.  We’re told again and again that officer safety is paramount.  We have another example of where totalitarian power leads.  This example comes from Iraq.  ISIS, the Al-Qaeda associated group, issued this declaration for all land under its control.   in Iraq . . .

No public gathering are allowed other than those organised by ISIS. No guns are allowed other than those belonging to ISIS and carried by its supporters.

It has been said many times that power grows out of the barrel of a gun, and it looks like ISIS is embracing that idea.

Rob- Gun Quotes- To trust arms in the hands of the people at large has, in Europe, been believed…to be an experiment fraught only with danger. Here by a long trial it has been proved to be perfectly harmless…If the government be equitable; if it be reasonable in its exactions; if proper attention be paid to the education of children in knowledge and religion, few men will be disposed to use arms, unless for their amusement, and for the defence of themselves and their country. — Timothy Dwight, Travels in New England and New York [London 1823]

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Segment 3 Interviews

Laura Carno at 5:10 Defend Colorado, bring the second amendment supporters into this election.  Raise money and keep it in Colorado.  When was the event?  Where was the event? Who spoke?  Celebrities or candidates at the event?  How many attended?  What else is happening in Colorado politics?  Hickenlooper pardon, and Udall lied.  Laura’s I am created equal site is here, and Udall Lied is here.

Assemblyman Brian Jones of the California Assembly Republican Caucus.  The legislative session closed for the year.  The right of self defense had some wins and some losses this year.  Second amendment supporters are in the minority in the California legislature.  They fought SB 53 to a tie and it died.  Could you tell us about SB 53 and how you managed to stop the bill?

What are the other bills you managed to stop?
What anti-gun bills passed?
What should self-defense advocates do now?
Call the Governor.  Citizens in California have to vote and help get out the vote.

Here is a video of Assemblyman Brian Jones defending armed self-defense on the Assembly floor.  Here is the Assemblyman’s website, and here is his facebook page.  You can thank Assemblyman Jones by e-mail- brian@electbrianjones.com

Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel-This defensive gun use story is from Orchard Park, New York.  A homeowner and his son heard unusual sounds from an upstairs room at 1am.  They saw two people dressed in dark clothing use a ladder to break into an upstairs window.  The homeowner called police.  The homeowner and his son also grabbed their firearms and held the two intruders at gun point until police arrived.    Police arrested 18-year-old Jacob Rappleye and 22-year-old Anthony Guarino.  Both are charged with attempted burglary, criminal mischief, and unlawful possession of marijuana.

Rob Comment-

Rob – Also from New York, a homeowner called police.  She said two people were trying to break into her home in Crystal Lake.  By the time officers arrived, the thieves had broken in, and one of them had been shot in the stomach.  The homeowner fired after the intruders kicked in her locked door and advanced on her and her children.  Nicholas Porcayo, 18, and Brandon Mendez, 19, were charged with intimidation, a Class 3 felony, and criminal trespass to a residence, a Class 4 felony.  Mendez was taken to an undisclosed hospital with injuries that were not life-threatening.  Mendez already has a pending case in which he has been charged with two counts of criminal damage to property of less than $300, Class A misdemeanors, and mob action, a Class C misdemeanor.  He also is under court supervision for a misdemeanor battery charge, a case in which he also was charged with aggravated battery, a Class 2 felony; resisting or obstructing a police officer resulting in injury, a Class 4 felony; and theft of less than $500, a Class A misdemeanor. Those charges were dismissed.

Rachel Comment- Another frequent flyer.

John – This is why you carry.  It happened along a walking path in Lancaster, Ohio.  Dinah Burns was walking her dog when two young white men came out of the woods along her path.  One of them held a baseball bat and said she was coming with them.  The two men were not afraid of her dog, but they fled after she drew her handgun and pointed it at them.  Dinah Burns is licensed to carry a concealed gun, but she’d only recently started taking her weapon while walking her dog.

Rachel- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

We’ll be back..

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Listener e-mail discussion.

Rob- I got an e-mail from listener John in Texas who recently got his pistol instructors certificate.  He also has a SIRT pistol and promised to share his training tips with me.  Congratulations, John, and I want to hear your ideas.

Rachel- Here is an e-mail from TJ

Hey everyone,
Can you guys give some tips on keeping front sight focus while transitioning between targets and shooting while moving? I tend to shift my focus from my sight to the next target and then have trouble refocusing on the front sight to make my next shot. Any tips would be greatly appreciated!

Thank,
TJ Gauthier

Rachel- practice slowly and perfectly
Rob- distance. point shoot versus slow aimed fire.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?  Only that my post on my “may issue” sheriff was picked up by NRA news.  How about you John?

John do you want to mention anything off of your Only Guns and Money blog you would like to talk about?

I wrote a post on Tuesday regarding Tamara Keele’s decision to suspend her very long-running and very popular gun blog, View from the Porch. At the heart of her decision was having to deal with a cyberstalker. I said the person involved needed to be charged, convicted, and imprisoned. While I have been informed of his name, I don’t feel it proper to state it on the podcast as that would be giving him more attention than someone of his ilk deserves.

John- Rob, what do you have up on SlowFacts?
Rob- I’ll have a post comparing self- defense in two cities.

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(DO NOT READ)Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California, Commonwealth Second Amendment,  Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.

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Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the next time…
John: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 265 – Chris Petersen

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, August 30, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun use, so climb aboard
John: strap in
Paul: and hang on! Episode 265 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Paul – I am looking for some help with the GP2AS. If you live south of the Canadian border, East of Montana, North of Oklahoma, and West of Illinois and are interested in helping us grow, please email me. I am mainly looking for people to help with the Facebook Site and our Website right now. Mostly just doing for the great plains what we do on the show here, just on a more regional level. I am looking for people from each state, and the more involved you are in the second amendment cause in your state the better. These are NOT paid positions, but if you ask nice I MIGHT be able to get you into the GRPC at no charge. You would have to pay for your own room and get yourself there though.

John – My wife and I took a “road trip” today to Greenville, SC to tour the recently opened Cabela’s store. While not as big as some, at 105,000 sq. ft. it was plenty big. I saw a lot of nice firearms in their Gun Library. What I didn’t see in the store was .22 LR rifle ammo.

Rob- Only work and work at home. Nothing gun related. I need to buy ammunition.

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Paul – It should surprise no one that Governor Chris Christie of New Jersey has publicly stated that he doesn’t plan on intervening in the Shaneen Allen case until it has been completely adjudicated.  Christie is quoted as having said “I don’t like to intervene in the judicial process until the judicial process has an opportunity to work its way through,” he said. “I think then and only then is it the appropriate time for a governor to consider action.”  My own editorial comment is that now isn’t the time to let up. Let’s keep pouring the pressure on Christie and the other people who have bearing on this case. The number for the Governor’s office is 609- 292-6000.

John Comment- Ms. Allen’s lawyers originally hoped to raise about 25 thousand dollars through donations.  They raised that, and more.  There are also many thousands of dollars raised to put up billboards calling out the local prosecutor and asking why the Atlantic County Attorney chose to prosecute a single black mom who had no prior convictions.  She could serve up to 11 and a half years in state prison.

You can donate at SAF.org too.

Rob -In a continuation of the theme we have had over the last few episodes, there is a positive news story in what is usually termed the mainstream media that appeared recently. An article appeared on Time.com recently that advocated teaching your children to shoot.  What is even more amazing is that this appeared AFTER news broke about a shooting instructor who lost his life in a tragic incident with a child shooting a full auto uzi recently, in fact it is mentioned right at the beginning of the article. The story is well written and worth a read.

John -Jacob Smith is a junior at the University of South Carolina.  He carries an empty gun holster around the campus as a political protest and he’s not alone. Smith belongs to USC Students for Concealed Carry.  Unfortunately there is a minor crime wave on campus to fuel their cause.  Less than a week ago, the university says a student was held at gunpoint at the Horseshoe, taken to an East Quad dorm, and forced to give the suspect money. Over the weekend, a gunman was reportedly spotted near the Russell House. Most recently, a 19-year-old was the victim of a strong-armed robbery.  University President Harris Pastides has promised more patrols of uniformed and plain-clothed officers as well as more security cameras and call boxes on campus.  However, Jacob Smith, who is also in the US Navy, proposes another solution.  Smith wants the law changed so students could defend themselves.

 

Rob – July 1st was the first day that Idaho citizens with an enhanced permit could carry concealed on the campus of Boise State University.   Students have started to show some interest in taking classes to obtain the enhanced license necessary to carry on campus.  Idaho has liberal carry restrictions for an ordinary concealed carry license.  Course work for the enhanced license covers legal education and range time.

Paul Comment- no streets running red with blood?
Rob Comment- not a drop.

Paul- A petition is being circulated that piqued my interest a group of small business drivers is circulating a petition that drivers be able to carry in order to defend themselves. It says in part that the current patchwork of laws from state to state interferes with interstate commerce. It’s an interesting take. I don’t believe that it has much of a chance until next year at least, depending on the elections this fall, however it is worth a look. Thanks to Greg in Bremerton for sending this one in.

John- Voters in Castle Rock, Colorado voted to take gun restrictions out of the hands of politicians and appointed city managers.  The votes were finally counted in the special election, and now the voters have the authority to decide if guns are welcome on city property.  From now on, only a public vote can enact a ban on open carry in Castle Rock.

Rob- And that is how it should be. It should be citizens and not bureaucrats or politicians making the decision.

Rob- Talking about votes, California legislators defeated an ammunition registration bill by the slimmest of margins. The final vote on California bill SB53 was a tie, so the bill is dead for this year.  You would need your ammunition buyers ID card to buy ammunition.  It would have required a fingerprint check to buy ammunition.  The bill would have made it illegal to buy ammunition online.  You could be arrested for picking up my ammunition from the ground at the range.

Rob- I reached out to some of the legislators, so we might get to hear from them next episode.

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John –  A tragedy happened in Omaha this week when a member of the film crew for the television show “Cops” died after being shot while filming for the show this week. Bryce Dion, a 38 year old sound engineer for the show was fatally shot while helping to film a police response to what appeared to be an armed robbery at a Wendy’s restaurant. The Omaha World Herald reported that film crews for the popular TV show wear bullet resistant vests while filming. Unfortunately a vest wasn’t enough to stop the tragedy this time.

Paul- You might remember that outdoor signs promoting firearms safety were taken down by the city of Phoenix.  Later the city lost a court case against them for violating free speech rights of Train Me Arizona.   Here is a similar situation in Washington, DC.  Project Child Safe wanted to run advertisements at major airports across the country.  The ads advocated responsible gun ownership and said, “Own It? Respect it. Secure it.”  The advertisements went up in Hartford-Springfield, Las Vegas, Little Rock, Providence and St. Louis. But Reagan National airport in Arlington, Virginia refused the advertisements.

Rob Comment- Free speech for me, but not for thee, in DC?
Paul- Comment- You’re a poet.
John- Comment- the second amendment is too political for DC?

Rob- Also in Washington DC, there was an anti-regulation article in the conservative Washington Times.  The article said that gun control is really about control, rather than about guns or the second amendment.  “(The origin of gun control) is actually the statist belief in big government. Too many activists and politicians crave the power by controlling people’s lives to the nth degree. They find fulfillment in believing that they are improving society by making better decisions than ordinary people would make.  It’s the ultimate loss of freedom when your personal safety — and your family’s — must be entrusted totally to government. Millions of Americans are saying they don’t trust government to protect them. That is why they insist upon their right of self-defense, free of government threats to restrict or remove it.”  The article is by former congressman Ernest Istook.

Paul Comment- Congressman Istook gets it!
John Comment- Think the congressman will be a the Gun Rights Policy Conference later this month?

Paul – The Clearview, Colorado Library is being sued.  The library asked Erika Sattler to leave the library after another library patron spotted the her carrying a handgun complained to a library staff member.  Erika Sattler has a concealed carry permit, but the library has a policy prohibiting weapons of any kind except those carried by law enforcement.  Rocky Mountain Gun Owners, the gun-rights lobby that was instrumental in recalling two state senators last year, is bringing the suit against the library.

Rob Comment-  The smell of bigotry is strong in the Clearview Library.

John- There are some 23 thousand firearms regulations in the United States.  Law Professor Eugene Volokh came up with a list of the laws he thought were both abusive and vulnerable to legal challenge.  The restrictions on concealed carry in public topped his list.  They affect 50 million people in California, Washington DC, Delaware, Hawaii, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York and Rhode Island.

Paul -Comment- we have our work cut out for us.

Rob- Our friends in Montana can use our help.  Gary Marbut is running for the Montana House of Representatives.  He is no stranger to Montana politics.  Gary was President of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, and helped enact 64 pro-gun bills in the past 30 years. Gary was named by SAF as the Grassroots Activist of the Year, not once, but twice.  Gary has vowed to not take any money from any special interest groups, only from individual contributors. He needs your donation to mount an effective campaign.

John Comment- until the billionaires for liberty start spending, It is up to us little guys to get the job done.

John- Statistics appear to be on our side again in Illinois, or more specifically the windy city. The Blaze reports that crime rates year to year are appearing to drop even though not one single tactic has changed in policing policies during the same period. Both robberies and burglaries are down 20 percent. The only change according to The Blaze is concealed carry licenses over 83,000 licenses have been applied for, and over 68,000 have been granted in the state since January.

Rob- The chicago cops gave up on prosecuting some crime in high crime areas.  They saved police effort for the well-to-do areas of the city.

Paul – Comment: Please remember that early this year a similar story appeared and we cautioned you not to become too optimistic and that it had been a horrifically cold and brutal winter. Sure enough this summer we are seeing murders and shootings up again.Are the numbers good news, yes. However before we claim any sort of victory other than individual DGU’s lets get a few years of numbers.

Rob- All of us need to follow the four safety rules.  All of us, all the time.  A U S Border Patrol officer had a negligent discharge at their headquarters in Marfa, Texas.  Agents and staff searched the El Cosmico hotel and campground next to the headquarters looking for damage.  The agency said the negligent discharge took place during a training session.

John Comment- So federal agents don’t have super powers with a firearm?
Rob Comment- Nope.

John Gun Quotes
“It is the privilege of every citizen, and one of his most essential rights, to bear arms, and to resist every attack upon his liberty or property, by whomsoever made.” – Roger Sherman of CT, 1790, during a speech before the US House of Reps. Sherman was a signatory to Declaration of Independence, the Articles of Confederation, and the Constitution.

Paul- Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Segment 3 Interview with Chris Petersen of PTR industries.
Segment 4 DGUs

Rob -A man trying to rob a Dairy Queen on the south side of Albuquerque, New Mexico.   He threatened the cashier with a gun through the drive through window and demanded money from the till.  The cashier gave him the money and then ducked behind the counter. The man then asked for more money. A different employee fired at the robber five times.  The thief was struck at least once and died after being transported to University of New Mexico Hospital.  No restaurant employees were injured during the incident.  No no other suspects are at large.  Police do not expect to file charges against the store employee for firing in self-defense.

Paul- A strange DGU out of Houston, A homeowner had had his home broken into 4 years ago and he stated was just getting his sense of security back. Then earlier this week he is in bed and the doorbell rings and rings and rings. Then come loud knocks at the door, and someone trying to kick the door in. The homeowner was on the phone with 911 and had his handgun. When the bad guy broke in the homeowner ordered him to leave and then to stop advancing. when the intruder did neither the homeowner shot the intruder. The intruder falls down immediately begins crying, begging for his life and asking to call his girlfriend. At last report he was in the hospital, no word on whether he was able to call his girlfriend.

John- The Indianapolis Star reports that Indianapolis metropolitan police are investigating an early morning armed robbery in which they say the homeowner fought back and a suspect was shot.  Two or three men were trying to break into the home at about 3 in the morning. The homeowner struggled with the men over a gun and shot one of the suspects.  A woman and small child inside the home at the time were not hurt.  There were bullet holes in the home’s front door and blood on the front porch and driveway.  A short time later, a man with gunshot wounds in the leg and back showed up at the Circle K gas station and was taken to a local hospital in critical condition.

Paul – Comment it doesn’t say whether the gun belonged to the homeowner or the bad guy. It is far easier to stop a bad guy if you use your own gun rather than trying to take the bad guy’s gun from him. Also if this is a case of the bad guys bringing the gun in it kind of “Shoots holes” in the theory that if you have a gun the bad guy will just take it away from you and shoot you with it.

John – As Paul often says, nothing good happens after midnight. That was the case early Friday morning in Darlington County, SC where two armed home invaders forced their way into a home just after midnight. One beat a female on the head and hit an 11 y.o. boy several times in the face while his confederate held a second woman at gun point. Unbeknownst to the home invaders, there was a male resident asleep in another area of the house who awoke and armed himself with a rifle before checking out the commotion. He exchanged fire with the home invaders. They fled but not before killing the family dog. However, Marquis Benjamin, 25, was found dead about 75 yards from the house. Deputies later picked up the other home invader, Brandon Lunn, some time later and have charged him with multiple felonies. Sheriff Wayne Byrd said he doesn’t expect any charges to be filed against the homeowner. ““It’s more a matter of defending yourself, defending your family. Providing for the protection of your own life and your own family’s life. And their well-being.”

There is no word on the condition of either the woman or boy that was assaulted at this time.

Rob- I suspect he intruder will be charged with murder.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Paul- TJ emailed this in.

Hey Paul,
You guys have probably solved it by now, but here’s proof that you could get double the rounds of a 1911 in a 40. XDm holds 16. So, that is double. If you add the + 1, it would throw it off the “Double” claim a little, but it would still be the same as a 1911 with 1 reload.
http://www.springfield-armory.com/products/xdm-compact-40-cal/
Or, you could go with the same logic that it seemed like you were going for and use a 9mm (since it’s still mostly the same) and have 19+1 in the XDm.
Thanks Paul,

TJ

Rob- Bob Main said you have to marry the platform

Paul-  Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I live in San Diego County.  We have a May Issue Sheriff. I reported on the number of disarmed victims in San Diego County.  The article went out on ClashDaily, Ammoland and on my blog.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  Until next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Paul: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.