Episode 221 – Canadians, Sheepdogs, New Jersey, and Glen Tate

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Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, March 19th, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talk with Frank Fiamingo about the war on self-defense in New Jersey.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we also have an interview with Glen Tate who makes a major announcement, and two crazy Canadians talking about the latest canadian firearms regulations.
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
Paul: and hang on. Episode 221 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Paul- is parked and waiting for a load.. earning a few dollars an hour.
Rachel- is working politics by night and teaching music by day. I have no time to sleep. I’m connecting political activists to their county political conventions.

Rob- I was looking at mid sized 9mm firearms. I rented the Glock 17, the Springfield XD and the CZ-75. Each is a double stack 9mm with a four in inch barrel.. yet they are very different. The obvious missing comparison is the Smith and Wesson M&P, but someone was renting that at the time.

Weight- Glock 17 is lightest of the three. The XD is slightly heavier, though the XD and Glock both have polymer lowers. The CZ has a fairly heavy steel frame and is the heaviest by far. The CZ loaded with 10 rounds was almost as heavy as my empty 1911. The perceived recoil was directly related to the weight of the gun and the CZ didn’t move much when you fired it. The CZ would be fine if you were buying a competition gun or a house gun. The Glock and XD would be much better if you were going to carry them every day for self-defense. It also means that a new shooter who is recoil sensitive should consider the heavier firearms.

The three handguns have a different shape to the stock and feel entirely different in your hand. That is the reason you want to go to a range that rents a wide selection of firearms. The back of the Glock is broad and straight. It fits in your hand as if you’re grabbing the back of a thick hardcover book. I could reach around the stock (or grip) with my thumb, but people with smaller hands would have to roll their thumb around the Glock to get the gun to fit into the web between their thumb and forefinger. When you do that, it feels like you’re grabbing the side of the gun rather than grabbing the back of the gun. In contrast, the top of the CZ grip is nicely narrow and fits well into the groove between your thumb and index finger. I thought the CZ had the best fit in that it was narrower at the top and arched to fit into your palm. The XD is between the two. The XD has a slightly arched grip which also slightly narrows at the web of your thumb. The XD was not as good as the CZ but better than the Glock.

Here are the safety features for each firearm. The CZ has a single/double action trigger and a manual safety thumb safety. The XD has a grip safety and a trigger safety like the Glock. The Glock has only a trigger safety, but it has a considerably harder trigger pull.

Those are the features of the gun that are hard to change. The feel of the trigger can be changed, but I’ll report on the stock firearm.
You could identify each gun by its trigger. XD was actually a little light at 4-4.5 pounds. The CZ in single action was intermediate, and that surprised me. The double action was only a little heavier than the Glock. The Glock was heavy at 7 to 8 pounds. Again, triggers can be adjusted by a trained gunsmith.
When it came to trigger reset, the glock was the best. I thought the XD was next and my shooting buddy thought the CZ was next. Again, the perceived firmness of the reset was proportional to the weight of the trigger pull. You simply can’t have a light target trigger with a distinct reset.

I put about 20 rounds through each gun. I started with dry fire of each firearm. Then I shot a half dozen slow fire, and then went to controlled pairs. I did not test the CZ for accuracy shooting it as a double action handgun, but I did dry fire it in double action.

I tested the time it took to get a second shot. The XD was fastest due to the combination of features; it had the lighter trigger and a fairly good reset. In contrast, the good reset of the Glock was offset by the harder trigger pull. The low recoil of the CZ was offset by its mushy reset. A trigger job could reverse these rankings, but there are limits. I was looking for a carry gun, not a target gun or competition gun. Let me be clear that each firearm is absolutely acceptable in its speed to deliver a second shot.

Controls- For each of these handguns, the slide release is much easier to use than the forward position on the 1911. That is because of better engineering and a lighter recoil spring for a 9mm handgun. With my large hands, I bumped into the slide release by accident on the XD. In contrast, I had to hunt for the magazine release button into the grip on the Glock because they blend it into the stock. You can master it with practice, and they make extended magazine release buttons for the Glock.

I’m going to include this next comment in with controls because it affects how you handle the gun. The slide of the CZ is not very deep. The slide sits on top of the frame rather than wraps around it. The CZ also has an external hammer. It was harder to do a press check on the CZ than either of Glock or the XD because I had trouble getting a good grip on the slide. I couldn’t do a press check on the CZ if the hammer was down. This could be an issue with new shooters when they are learning to manipulate the slide of their firearm. The slide would be easier to manipulate if you have smaller hands. It isn’t a big issue, but it is a difference between the firearms. You won’t notice this issue after you’ve lived with the your gun for a month.

The CZ has a double action/ single action trigger system. That means you could carry it loaded and uncocked after you manually lower the external hammer. Your first trigger pull would be harder and longer, but the second pull would be single action only. I’m used to carrying a gun loaded, cocked and locked, so I don’t see the strong advantage of the double action trigger on the CZ, particularly when the CZ has a manual thumb safety to prevent negligent discharge.

I have long arms, so all the sights were too wide for me. By too wide I mean that the front blade filled up the notch in the rear sight. That is fine for target work, but not for everyday carry. A gunsmith can change sights. A gunsmith can change the weight and feel of a trigger. So each gun could be fitted to your preferences. Oddly enough, in slow fire I was most accurate with the Glock, and I think that was because of the slight difference in the sights that were fitted to this particular firearm.

As it came out of the box, I thought the XD had the best blend of features for a new shooter.


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Opening rant: It is time that we put “Sheepdogs, Sheep and Wolves” to bed.
1) Shepherds protect the flock. Sheepdogs take orders from shepherds and are nearly worthless without the training and direction that they get from the shepherds.
2) I am not a sheepdog. I am not your (or anyone elses) protector. If I witness you getting robbed, you are going to get robbed. Unless you are in imminent danger of being killed or permanently disabled I am going to try to be a good witness and try to help the police apprehend the bad guy by being a good witness. If I think that you are about to lose your life if I don’t act, I will act IF I CAN. I don’t carry for you, I carry for me and my family. If I am carrying at the time the crime is going on it means that YOU TOO have the ability to carry if you chose to. I don’t have a super duper license that allows me to carry in every circumstance everywhere. I have a South Dakota CPP, if you are in SD or a State that has reciprocity with SD you too can protect yourself.
3) I am not a sheep. I am aware of my surroundings. I am responsible for my own defense.
4) I am not a wolf. I am a card carrying good guy.
5) Unless you have taken an oath as a police officer you could easily make things a lot worse by getting involved. Please don’t delude yourself on citizens arrest. Also, are you SURE you are about to intervene on behalf of the good guy?
6) In our community we are really big on saying “whatever happened to personal responsibility?” when someone blames McDonald’s hot coffee for their own stupidity and wins a big settlement. The same question comes about when a criminal gets off with a light sentence for a heinous crime because he was abused as a child. Where is that same question when a person becomes a victim in a free state where he or she had the legal right to defend themselves? Didn’t the victim have the personal responsibility to take care of themselves including security? Don’t get me wrong here. I DO NOT want to start blaming victims for crimes. What I am saying is that if more people were protecting themselves the criminal population would dwindle dramatically because #1 the criminals don’t commit more crimes once they are incarcerated or in a grave, and #2 Once homey sees that a few of his friends are in jail for a long time and a few more are ventilated he might start thinking that going back to school might make the rest of his time on the planet a bit safer.
7) I have been accused a bit of being a jerk, and worse, for my stance. That is fine with me. The fact is that my #1 goal is to survive for my family. A few episodes ago we had a story about 2 men who entered a house that they didn’t live in and confronted a burglar. I was asked recently what would cause me to enter a house like that. To be honest not much. If my wife or member of my immediate family were in immediate danger and I knew that the police weren’t going to be there in time, then yes, of course. The number of people I would do that for on the face of the earth number less than 20, and most of them are directly related to me.
Am I a Sheep? No. Am I a Sheep Dog? No. I am Damn sure not a Wolf or a Shepherd. I am an independent and free citizen of the United States of America. I don’t fit into the little categories that you try to make so please don’t put me there.

(Commentary – And please feel free to let me have it if you think that I am full of it)
Rob- The original sheep versus sheepdog story was a simple contrast. Now you’ve gone and made it highbrow. You went from two pieces; sheep and sheepdog. Three pieces, sheep, sheepdog and shepard. You have four pieces, complacent citizens, criminal predators, law enforcement and a trained armed citizen who is self-controlled. Your description IS more accurate. But I see two problems with it.

First, most journalists and politicians aren’t smart enough to keep the characters straight until you put costumes and makeup on them. Second, how can you scare the public with a “return to the wild west with blood flowing in the streets” story if there are four characters. Public policy needs simple victims and heros. Your version is simply too complicated to make thrilling news or sound bites.

Oh, Paul… that is a good thing.

Rachel: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here. The Shooting portion of the class is full, however you can still get in on the 2 day citizens rules of engagement. once completing the classroom portion you can get in touch with Chaz and schedule a Mag 20 live fire and complete the mag 40.

Paul: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Rob- Story #1 Ares Armor
Daniel Butcher is the Assistant U.S. Attorney that filed a response to temporary restraining order (TRO) obtained by Ares Armor against the ATF. He filed the response with a federal magistrate judge who allowed the raid to proceed. Butcher’s response conveniently “forgets” that the 80% lower receivers stocked and sold by Ares Armor are not generally considered firearms, according to the ATF’s own determination letters sent to numerous manufacturers over the years. Somehow, the all-important detail that the 80-percent polymer lower receivers have not been proven to be firearms didn’t seem to work it’s way into the DOJ’s “Factual Background” section of their response. I doubt the judge cares or will hold Attorney Butcher in contempt for misleading the court. If anything, Attorney Butcher sealed his nomination into a politically appointed DOJ position.

The owner of Ares Armor, Dimitrios Karras, has a sense of humor. The Ares website boasts that all of its products shipped this month have been personally inspected by the BATFE for product quality. Dimitrios is also a combat veteran. I also found out that the company pays employee bonuses in silver coins.

Paul- Oklahoma Sheriffs went to the state capitol to testify as they had in previous years.  This year, the 40 sheriffs met a surprising obstacle. They were turned away at the door because a state Senator complained they were armed.  Rather than disarm, the sheriffs went back to their counties and scheduled their testimony for another day.

(Rachel’s comments: (1) At least they were being consistent and applying the law equally to the sheriffs and to citizens, and (2) That’s *one* thing that Texas can hold over Oklahoma’s head at least for a little while longer: CHLers can carry in our Capitol building.)

Rob- http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally There is a gun rights rally in Hartford Connecticut scheduled for April 5th.  Connecticut deserves our support.

Rachel – Jacksonville College in East Texas wanted to increase campus safety, and allow employees to carry guns on campus. That’s when they hired chief of security Mike Morse, and began a security agency on campus. Morse is now teaching security officer certification, and concealed handgun classes. “We had a desire to provide courses to the community, and one of the needs we heard was handgun licenses.” Classes are available to the students, teachers, and entire community.

Paul- Armed baristas in Spokane, Washington

– Jitterz Java has had 3 break-ins in the past month
– Employees are now arming themselves with the approval and encouragement of the owner, Sara Chapel
– Employee Krystal Cogswell: “Before, I never felt an immediate threat, so I would just have it off to the side or somewhere hidden. But now I feel like if someone can see it, maybe it will just deter it right then and there and I won’t ever have to use it,” she explained.
– Customers have been overwhelmingly supportive. Only one complaint.
– Spokane Police said it is completely legal as long as the employees who are armed are 18 and older and do not have any prior convictions that restrict them from using firearms.

Rachel- It turns out that Delaware citizens don’t lose all their civil rights when they accept public housing.  This time their rights are protected by the Delaware constitution more so than the US constitution.  The Delaware Supreme Court read from the Delaware Constitution’s right to bear arms provision- “A person has the right to keep and bear arms for the defense of self, family, home and State, and for hunting and recreational use” and the court noted that this language may justify broader protection than that given by the Second Amendment.  It looks like some of the Delaware housing projects will comply, but some housing administrators are crafting new regulations.  Two steps forward, and one step back, but it is progress.

Rob: Gun Quotes (here are two of them, so take your pick of great women on Wednesdays)

How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual… as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded over, controlled, supervised, and taken care of.  – Dr. Suzanna Gratia Hupp

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with lots of news about self-defense news in New Jersey. We start with an interview with Frank Fiamingo.  But first, here is a message a sponsor.

Seg 3 Interview with Frank Fiamingo

Rob- That was a fascinating interview with Frank.  The link to the James Kaleda defense fund is at indiegogo.com  He needs another 10 thousand dollars for his defense, and he needs it in the next ten day.

http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund  Please donate $10 if that is all you can afford.  Please put in something to let James know he is not alone in this battle for our rights.  (Any comments?)

The issue of firearms restrictions is not that complex.  People are not criminals because they have 15 cartridges in their magazine versus 10 rounds.  The Youtube video of 9 year old firearms competitor Shyanne Roberts testifying at the Assembly hearing went viral.  Shayanne gets it.

Here is a one minute clip from my friend Anthony Colandro testifying at the New Jersey Assembly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUE6N5q65eQ&feature=youtu.be   He states that “he will not comply” with the new firearms restrictions.  For the last 20 years we have been in an era when laws are too numerous to know or obey.  Now we are entering an era when more and more citizens deliberately refuse to comply.  (comments?)
Paul- We have to go to break.
Go to break
Interview with Matthew McLatchey of Slam Fire Radio and Peter Dawson(Ten- X) about the Canadian RCMP gun ban.

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Segment 6 DGUs
The chat room warriors contributed this, and thank you to them- “When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty.” Thomas Jefferson

Rob- A man was shot and killed early Monday morning as he was attempting to burglarize a home northwest of Corvallis, Montana.  The resident was awakened by noises around his home shortly before 4 a.m..  When he went to investigate, he found someone climbing through a window.  When the resident ordered the man to not move, the suspect turned toward him. The resident was armed with a handgun and shot the intruder, who then jumped back through the broken window and ran away from the home.  The intruder was later found dead near the home.  The dead man, Tobias Ian Bishop, age 39, had a long criminal history and was wanted on an outstanding warrant.  Bishop had burglarized several other properties in the area and had several stolen chainsaws stashed near his van.

Paul: Police say that one man is in critical condition after attempting to break into an Apache Junction Arizona Home. Three men gathered in the back of a home when they were noticed by the homeowner on surveillance video. Those gathered out back began to kick the back door. The homeowner grabbed a shotgun and one other person inside the house was armed with a handgun. Once the second person was illuminated with a laser sight, the homeowner and the second person in the home opened fire. The 3 attackers fled. one of them, 19 year old Sal Anthony Almos only made it to the neighbors yard where he collapsed from a shotgun wound to the groin and upper legs. Almos was taken into custody, and he later told investigators that the attackers were heavily armed and had zip ties and “were ready for whatever” I am thinking that a shotgun blast to the groin wasn’t included in whatever. Also the picture on the webpage that reports the story has a mug shot of an apparently easily standing Almos, something I seriously doubt he can do while in critical condition in a hospital, so it appears that this isn’t his first rodeo.

Rachel- Police are investigating the homicide of a 26-year-old man who was shot after police say he brandished a handgun and sexually assaulted a woman. The name of the man has not been released pending notification of family members. It happened around 9:25 p.m., Thursday, in the 3800 block of North Rampart Street [New Orelans LA]. Police said the 26-year-old man approached a man and woman as they were walking. They said he then produced a gun and demanded that they walk to a building that was being renovated. Once they entered the yard, investigators say, the man sexually assaulted the woman at which time the adult male disarmed the man and fatally shot him… (Once a gain, we see how much more common it is for a criminal to get shot with his own gun, by a victim, than vice versa.) http://www.wdsu.com/news/local-news/new-orleans/man-fatally-shot-in-new-orleans/24970126

Rachel – student speaks out against being disarmed
– University of Cincinnati campus
– engineering student came across 4 students being attacked on campus, jumped in to help them
– ended up beaten, hospitalized
– “One of the victims said that the area was usually safe, so the Saturday night assault was very surprising.”
– Good Samaritan said: “I’m personally a concealed carry permit holder. I’m not allowed to carry on campus so I’m not going to do that, but at the same time if the university is not going to provide significant resources to provide us the safety we need then at least let me take care of myself with it.
– The university’s response: send out safety ambassadors to create a “welcoming and engaging environment.”
– My response: any school that fails to exercise its right to authorize carry on -campus is responsible for any harm that comes to disarmed students, staff, or civilians.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

Tips and tricks segment : Kathy Jackson’s reply to our feedback on episode 220

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Listener e-mail discussion
Rob: I received this from one of my readers and I like what he said. He calls it “the Equal Protection Amendment”
1. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may keep or bear any arms except those that may be borne by all law abiding competent adult citizens both in his place of residence and in the location of his office.
2. No person holding any office under the United States, or any of them, may be protected by any personal arms he is barred from keeping under the previous article.

Paul: The Polite Society download app is out on Amazon for Android and the I-phone app is in I-tunes.  They are located by our old name, Politics and guns.  Hot links are in our show notes.

Rachel: We’re experimenting with the show all the time.  Please send us an e-mail to tell us what you like or dislike.  You can contact the show by e-mail.  Paul@politics and guns.com, Rachel, Rob, John, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!  Rob: That’s 605- 215- 1438605- 215- 1438

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

Paul: Listen to other podcasts on thethe Crusader Podcast Network, and give our friend Chaz over at the roadgunner podcast a listen, he just put out a great episode with Daniel shaw of Gunfightercast fame.

Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Paul: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening, join the CSSA and the NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 194 – Talking Lead and 605-215-1438

Paul: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded on Sunday, the 29th of December, 2013. I’m Paul Lathrop
Tom: I’m Tom and on tonights show we interview Zeke and Lefthand from the Talking Lead Podcast
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we’ll also have large news segment
Toby: I’m Toby. We also have many Defensive Gun Use Stories
Rob:So climb aboard
Tom: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 194 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Catch up
Toby: My dad came out of surgery. Thank you for your prayers. Melisa bought you a computer interface for his Chronograph and a 1911 blue gun for training. He also got the Sig Sauer 1911 chambered in 22 cal. It shoots well. Also a 22 conversion for his AR. My Desert Eagle might be coming back. It is chambered in 50 action express, so might convert to 44 magnum.

Rob: I took another family shooting out in the desert.  It was my family plus a dad, his daughter aged 12, and his son age 11.  I shot another IDPA match. IDPA looks like this if you’re really good.  A friend received some threatening phone calls, so she came over for some discussion about self defense and how she could respond.  Lights, locks and cameras first.  Firearms second.

Tom:  I did not get a handgun for Christmas, but I did get a 410/22 folding rifle.  It is a backpack gun with a beautiful walnut stock.  I received a GoPro camera and electronic hearing protection along with Massad Ayoob’s book, “the truth about self-protection”.  Also received a cleverly built range bag/ back pack.  I gave my mom a security camera and my dad a pistol.  Check our facebook page for pictures of our gun gifts.

Paul: Spent Christmas on the road earning a bonus so we can go to SHOT show.  Nothing earth shattering, getting ready for SHOT show,  if it is possible I am even more excited about SHOT this year than last.  In doing research for the show ran across a leak that the new Glock is supposedly a single stack .380 that is TINY! From the pics I have seen it is only just double the size of a Zippo lighter. I am going to withhold judgement until I can shoot the thing at SHOT show, but I am not thinking I am going to be impressed.

Wondering why we aren’t getting more calls to the voicemail line, that number is 605-215-1438.  By the way the number is 605-215-1438.  Did I mention that the number is 605-215-1438?

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Rob – South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley received a 9mm handgun for Christmas, the Beretta Px4 Storm.  This caused several of the anti-gun crowd to lose bladder and bowel control when they said online that they hopes Governor Haley uses the gun to shoot one of her family members.  That passes for reasoned debate with gun haters.

Toby – A washed out Ohio lawmaker who voted against the human right of self-defense now wants to run for a seat on Ohio Supreme Court. Our listeners in Ohio should belong to the Buckeye Firearms Association and receive their e-mail updates.http://www.buckeyefirearms.org/

Paul – Musician Toby Keith banned guns at his restaurant in Woodbridge, Va.  I’m sure that will play to some of the Washington DC bureaucrats living in northern Virginia, but it will probably keep some Virginia gun owners  from entering his business.  Please let us know if you’re in the area and chose to take your group to another place to eat because of Keith’s no-guns policy.

Tom – Concealed carry classes in Illinois have begun.  The laws in Illinois are going to be extremely complicated to obey.  For example, you can not carry at a large public gathering, but you could stand outside the crowd, or walk through an outdoor art exhibit as long as you did not stop.  The litigation is only beginning.

Rob – When Federal land-use-fees stopped in Josephine County, Oregon, the sheriff’s office effectively closed.  Citizens formed their own self-protection and courtesy call societies led by a retired law enforcement officer.  One commenter said they like the idea since they know the citizens will follow the law.

Toby – A reminder that we have a legal system, not a justice system.  A Pennsylvania state trooper was treated for depression seven years ago.  The trooper’s doctor cleared him to return to work.  Though he is allowed to carry a firearm on duty, the trooper is forbidden from carrying off duty, and he can’t own a firearm due to federal prohibitions due to his history of mental health treatment.  The feds refuses to return his right of self-defense.

Paul – In still gun free Chicago, one person was shot dead and seven wounded on Christmas day.  These events vary from murder to multiple drive by shootings.  Another example that more gun laws don’t reduce crime.

Tom – Connecticut gun owners waited in line to register their guns and magazines as new laws take effect in 2014.  Elections have consequences, and there are jobs in other states.

Rob – Also in Connecticut, Economist Mark Gius from Quinnipiac University published a new study titled ”An examination of the effects of concealed weapons laws and assault weapons bans on state-level murder rates”.  The study determined the effect of state assault weapons bans and concealed weapons laws on the murder rates from 1980 to 2009.  Restrictive states had higher gun-related murder rates than other states, and assault weapons bans were ineffective.

Toby – Our third story from Connecticut, gun owners in Bridgeport protested the lenient treatment given a local police officer.  The officer shot himself in the leg while sitting at a local bagel shop.  Reports say the gun was not his service weapon.  Demonstrators say the officer should have been charged with unlawful discharge of a firearm and reckless endangerment.  “Had that been me, my permit would have been revoked, my firearms would have been seized, and I would have been arrested on the spot.”

While I’m sorry the officer was injured, but there certainly appears to be two separate firearms laws for law enforcement and for civilians.

Paul – A bill filed and ready when the Missouri Senate returns to session would require parents with students in public schools to disclose if the have firearms in their home.  This is an extension of the medical theory of gun violence which says we need to identify and quarantine gun owners.  Fortunately, the same bill proposed by the same democrat Senator did not advance in prior years. Thank you to Greg from, Bremmerton for sending this link via email.

Tom – Also sent in from listener Greg in Bremmerton, AK 47 inventor Mikhail Kalashnikov dies aged 97.  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25497013

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Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this and close out the show.
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Segment 4- DGUs and Show close

Tom – DGU1- A Liberty County [TX] man says he was forced to fatally shoot his 35-year-old son after his son turned from beating his own wife to attacking him. The shooting took place at the home of the father, 67-year-old Billy Wilkey, at 723 County Road 2061, near Hardin… Authorities say that Friday afternoon, Wilkey’s son, Flint and his wife got into an argument at their home. To avoid further trouble, the wife went to the home of her father-in-law. The younger Wilkey followed. They got into another argument. Flint Wilkey left and then came back again. This time, the altercation got physical. According to witnesses, Flint hit his wife with his fist and pulled her hair. He pulled his wife outside and tried to get her into his truck. Billy Wilkey tried to stop his son from beating his wife, when he says the younger Flint turned on him. The elder Wilkey fired one shot from a 9mm handgun, which struck his son.

Rob- DGU 2- According to the Marshall County Alabama Sheriff’s Office, a homeowner caught two men stealing scrap metal from his property Friday afternoon and confronted them with his rifle. Deputies said Aaron Michael Lawson, 23, of Gurley, approached the homeowner and said he would kill him. The homeowner shot Lawson once in the groin, and deputies said Lawson and the other suspect left the scene. Lawson was arrested after having surgery at Huntsville Hospital. Deputies said they arrested the other suspect, Paul Curtis Reed, 25, of Gurley a short time after the incident

Paul- DGU 3 – Apparently, a 39 year old man forced his way at gunpoint into a home off Wren Road in Anderson county, South Carolina.  The assailant put the female homeowner in a choke hold.  The 78 year old male homeowner shot the suspect in the chest and the homeowner was shot in the stomach.  The suspect fled, but later died in at the Greenville hospital.  The homeowner is in stable condition.  A background check of the suspect revealed a criminal record including violent crimes and drugs, and that the suspect was released from prison earlier this year.

Tom- DGU 4 – An Akron man whom police said was held at gunpoint until officers arrived to make an arrest has been charged with burglary. Monte T. Harris, 24, of Bettie Street, was booked into the Summit County [OH] Jail. He was scheduled for an initial appearance Monday in Akron Municipal Court. Police said two residents were awakened about 3 a.m. Sunday when a man climbed through the kitchen window of their Akron home. The male resident then fired a shot at the suspect inside the house. The suspect ran down into the basement, where the resident held him at gunpoint until Akron police responded.

Listener e-mail discussion
Rob- Email from Marc (the winner of the 299 Days book giveaway with Prepper Press)
I won and I’m jumping for joy. I’ve truly enjoyed the series. I am currently reading book 5. I’ve also enjoyed all the podcasts Glen has been on recently. Thanks for the major win. Last time I won I paid it forward. This time I’m going to enjoy the prize. Thanks for a great show. Keep representing Americans as better gun owners than Canadians, I kid of course.
PS, Bolivar can kiss my win! Lol

Paul- Facebook message from Dan
Hey Guys
Dan here from NJ Concealment furniture. Just wanted to let you know at the Oaks gun show we had a great response to our products and we will we there again in Feb. Thanks for you help getting the business out there.
Thank Dan

Tom – Another e-mail from Marc
It seems a customer dropped his firearm at a North Carolina restaurant.  It went off when it hit the floor. The pocket pistol doesn’t appear to be in any holster. If it was in a holster, it wasn’t a good one.  Clearly the owner was negligent in his gun handling. Was this weapon faulty? I don’t know. Was there a safety on the weapon? Was a safety engaged? Did the gun break? These are all good questions but preventable with a quality holster. This black eye falls squarely on the imbecile gun owner and unfortunately on the rest of us.

KERNERSVILLE, N.C. — Kernersville Police say they are investigating after a gun discharged inside a restaurant Friday afternoon.  Officers said they responded to Palenque Mexican Restaurant on North Main Street at 1:18 p.m. Video from the restaurant showed a man attempting to pay at the register when he dropped a handgun and it discharged.  Police told WFMY News 2 the round from the gun struck the counter at the register, then a half wall before entering the ceiling. No one was injured during the incident.  The case is still under investigation and anyone with information is asked to contact Kernersville Police December 28th 2013.
Marc From Ohio

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List emails to contact us Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.  Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air! Again that’s 605-215-1438,  605-215-1438.  Did I mention that I really want some voice mails?

Roadgunner mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA May 15th thru 19th 2014

Paul: Rob, do you have any new articles you want to mention?

Rob: I do.  I posted an article about our confusion over defensive gun uses. The article asks where defensive gun use starts.  There is a difference between defensive display where you’d be arrested if the display was unwarranted, and where criminal thinks you might have a weapon and changes his mind.  I received over 170 comments, but I also had my first troll.

Also please check out the shooters club,  for $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.

Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen.

Rob: Join NRA, SAF, GOA and JPFO.  Joining two makes you a good guy, three makes you a hero, and.supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Tom: Join your local civil rights group like New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns. Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 190 – Glen Tate and Dan Ingram

Open: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded on Sunday, December 15th, 2013.  I’m Paul Lathrop.
Tom: I’m Sticks and on today’s show we talked with author and frequent guest, Glen Tate.
Rob: I’m Rob, and we also have an interview with Dan Ingram of New Jersey Concealment Furniture.
Tom: we have our usual gun news and DGUs as well, so climb aboard.
Toby: Strap in,
Paul: And hang on, episode 190 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1
Paul: Nothing new in Guns, but I drove my @$$ off today.
Rob: I shot an IDPA match on Saturday.  In one stage I had 18 shots in 21 seconds.  That was fun even though I had to reload twice.  I felt really slow, but finished 5th of the 18 of us shooting 1911s.  I got some good suggestions so I’ll work to get faster.
Tom: Still have a cold.  Bought a new long gun and helped a buddy buy two guns.  Helped the new owner shoot and clean his weapons. This friend is a delivery vendor who carries cash, and a restaurant owner.  He wants to concealed carry.
Toby: Working the weekends, and half way through reading 299 Days book-7. I’m listening to George Hill’s Audio Book- Uprising USA. Wearing a 1911 in a shoulder rig at work as my backup gun.  Shared the Massad Ayoob DVD with a co-worker.

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Seg 2, News
Tom: Two impossible things happened in Centennial, Colorado.  A high school student legally bought a shotgun and then brought the gun onto school grounds.  Colorado politicians told us that couldn’t happen once they passed their new gun laws.  Within seconds, an armed school resource officer had the student in his sights and the student took his own life.  If you remember, the anti-gun pundits told us that armed safety officers at school were useless and even dangerous.  The student was a committed anti-gun liberal and had a grudge against a teacher.  Two others were injured.

Toby: Also in Colorado, a judge ordered Colorado Springs police to pay $23,500 to a man they arrested for legally carrying his weapon in public. James Sorensen sued and won after he was improperly arrested at a festival in July, one day after the Aurora shooting occurred. The entire incident was caught on camera.  The officer who disarmed Sorensen told him to get a lawyer, that’s exactly what Sorensen did.  The police blamed improper training for the arrest.

Rob: And now on to Florida.  Florida’s first district court of appeals had an unusual ruling before a panel of all 15 of the district’s judges.  The judges ruled that Florida universities can not preempt state and federal law by imposing their own gun regulations on campus.  They ruled the University restricted a fundamental, constitutional right to keep and bear arms for self-defense by doing so.

Tom: Here is some more good legislation- Two Republican Ohio legislators proposed Constitutional Carry. Our listeners in Ohio should give their support.  The Ohio Association of Police Chiefs declined to take a position.  Maybe you should call your local police chief too.

Paul: A bit of bad news- In the year after the Newtown Connecticut murders, the anti-gun advocates spent over 14 million dollars on lobbying and advertising, outspending the pro-gun human-rights advocates by over seven to one.  The bad guys have Bloomberg and Hollywood.  Where are our billionaires for liberty?

Before we leave off to the interview I would like to mention that we just passed the 3 year anniversary of the murder of Brian Terry. 202- 224-3121 is the congressional switchboard.  Please ask for justice for Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.

Also, listener Tim from Texas took an Appleseed training course with Rachel Malone.  (We interviewed Rachel in episode 183) Tim made Rifleman and is working at being an Appleseed instructor!

Hey everyone hang on, because next we have Glen Tate and Dan Ingram
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Seg 6- Dan Ingram of New Jersey Concealment Furniture

Seg 7 DGU
DGU#1 Emailed from listener Guy in Indiana
Paul & the podcast gang,
I saw this story on our local news station a few nights ago.  Here is a link to the story for your DGU segment.  Thanks for all you guys do, I really enjoy the podcast.  Keep up the good work.
Rockport, IN

Police in Greenville, Kentucky identified good Samaritan who save a stabbing victim.  The incident began when Jeff Warner stabbed his wife in the neck after a custody hearing in county court.  The wife and children fled into the street.  Lance Martin, a firefighter, coal miner, and member of the National Guard, pulled his concealed weapon on Warner to prevent any more injuries.  This is a clear example of a concealed weapon holder saving lives.

Show close
Paul: We have a book Giveaways of Brushfire Plague.  The post is on our Facebook page.  Share the post to enter the giveaway. We’re also giving away Glen Tate’s book seven in the 299 days series.

We have Politics and Guns Podcast download applications out on Amazon for Android and I-phone is coming – Paul screwed up.

Listener e-mail discussion
Email #1
From James about Arizona Citizens Defense League
I had to finally email in and make sure that one of the best gun rights advocacy groups get represented again in your wonderful podcast. So let me official proclaim the Arizona Citizens Defense League (AZCDL) http://www.azcdl.org, where thanks to them Arizona is now a constitutional carry state and any law abiding US citizen can legally carry a firearm without first getting permission from the State.

Email #2
From the Un-Named listener in the Russian Federation
Subject: Hello from the Russian Federation
Hey Fellas!
I wanted to say hello as a fairly recent listener to your podcast. Love the show and appreciate the gun talk.
A little background on why I am in Russia. I work for one of the largest engineering, construction and procurement contractors in the world. And our client is one of the largest companies in the world. I engineer/design oil production facilities all around the globe. I recently (August) left Iraq where I spent over 2 years. Wherever we went we were under the protection of private security companies. Mostly ex-British special forces and Para-regiment soldiers. They carried AK-47 and 74’s and CZ 9mm pistols. Body armor and Kevlar helmets, B6 armored vehicles always. In the summer the hottest I experienced was 140 Fahrenheit. Needless to say, extreme conditions.
Being ex-military myself I got to be pretty tight with security forces and we discussed firearms and shootouts at length. (to be clear, I was never involved in a firefight). Since I am a firearms enthusiast, I was curious as to what these Brits had to say about what weapons they preferred and would ask each team what they preferred. With very few exceptions, they would have preferred to carry the M4 over the AK. I think only one team leader ever said he would have preferred the AK. I found that interesting…You see Brits are not from a firearm culture and have not been raised discussing what everyone else says in better. Most had never even held a weapon until they entered military service. When pressed on a sidearm caliber, .45 ACP. 9mm is a toy, especially with ball ammo. “couldn’t stop my 90 year old grandmum with a full mag” one big fella joked.
I could write some more about being on the M-1 Abrams when I was in the Army, but I’ll save that for another day.
I would appreciate it if you would not use my name as I would not like to advertise the fact that I am away from my family. Keep up the good work!
Name redacted at the request of the listener… Minnesota boy in Russia!
PS, I have talked to dozens of ex-Iraq military about chemical weapons also. I was pretty surprised about what I heard. Not what you will hear on the TV that’s for sure!

Email #3 Greg in Bremmerton
What a waste, if he really wants safety, lift the gun restrictions!!!!!
Greg, Bremerton
Obama marks Newtown murders with a call for more gun restrictions.

Email #4 Greg in Bremmerton
N.J. is taking gun control WAY to FAR!!!!!  An unregistered BB gun can earn you a felony conviction in New Jersey.
Greg, Bremerton

Email #5
Listener Michael emails in and says
I don’t know if this helps or not but I am an iPhone user/listener. I just did a search in the apple App Store and did not find the “Politics and Guns Podcast” app.
Michael C.

Paul forgot to ask for the iPhone app. Give us a few weeks.
Contact us at Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us.
The Roadgunner mag 40 class in Conway (sorry Chaz), Arkansas at Shoot House USA May 15th thru 19th 2014  Registration is not open yet.  It will sell out quickly.

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
I wrote an article called Sandy Hook and the Body Count of Gun Control  Some friends of mine were murdered and raped because they couldn’t defend themselves.  I thought we needed to remember their story as well as the murders at Sandy Hook Elementary School.  The media is interested in selling advertisement, not a serious discussion.
The article is on my blog and at ClashDaily where I’m now a regular contributor.

Please listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen.
Join NRA, SAF, GOA and JPFO.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like NJ2AS, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, and Michigan Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance. Arizona citizens defense league, Texas State Rifle Association.

Maybe there are others that have not e-mailed us.  In that case send us a letter if you’re a Houston Texans or Washington Redskins fan, and you have my sympathy for being afraid to turn on your computer because you might see their scores. Join a local group even if they are in an adjacent state.

Paul: we are now proud affiliates of the Shooters Club! Bob Mayne will be on on the mid-week show to help explain the benefits. Until then please check out http://www.shootersclubmembers.com/politicsandguns/

Paul, That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.  Until the mid-week show…
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.
Outro and disclaimer

Episode 77 – Bob Mayne and Glen Tate

News from Congress on gun bans, and gun bans working through legislatures in Illinois, New Jersey and New York. Bob Mayne and Glen Tate are guests.

299 Days

Handgun World Podcast

Today’s Survival


I must apologize for not getting the website links updated in a timely manner. I was without my laptop for most of this week. ~ Paul