Episode 478 – Karen McDonald and Kat Ainsworth


Grant: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, January 7th, 2019, I’m Grant Gallagher

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on show we will talk with Kat Ainsworth about domestic violence.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a New Hampshire legislator who says “I will not comply!”

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and we’ll hear about a guy in Texas who learned the importance of locking your car doors at all times the hard way.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we go to Broken Arrow, OK, again… so climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Grant:  episode 478 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Bill Frady and I talked about Self-Defense Gun Stories.  That was on his Lock and Load Radio program. ???and I recorded another Episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

John – I spent a good part of the weekend working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth at the Asheville Gun Show. We picked up a few members and it seemed that the attendance was up over the last few times. I’m also starting to get ready for the SHOT Show in less than 2 weeks. Also, this is a last call if there is something new you want me to check out at the SHOT Show. Email me at john @ politics and guns dot com.


Tracy – This past Saturday, I taught a block on Massad Ayoob’s Persuader techniques (Kubotan) at Paul Martin’s annual Preparedness Conference, held at KR Training. Our own Rachel Malone was my assistant. We went over snaps and jabs. The participants used training Kubotans made out of rolled up mouse pads and rubber bands to learn the various techniques we taught. A good time was had by all. Tomorrow night, I’m teaching my monthly class of Handgun Fundamentals. Other than that, I’ve been enjoying working out with my personal trainer two days a week and attending Camp Gladiator boot camp.

Belle- I’m dealing with calling in for jury duty everyday for the month of January. Getting ready for FAS classes to start this weekend. Brought my beloved 1971 Ford Highboy home.

Grant – I didn’t do much this last week other than get the ScotShot website for 2019 refreshed and open for business. There has been a nasty cold passing through the Gallagher household, so we’ve all been affected by that to some degree.


Grant – Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Grant – we have National Train A Teacher Day on July 20th, and USCCA Instructor on Feb 9 & 10. Email me at grant at scotshot dot com for details.

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Rob News Intro – welcome to the News segment of PSP please email us with comments and thoughts.. Our first story is from New Hampshire…

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POLITE SOCIETY NEWS, January 07th 2019

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Democrats took control of the state legislature of New Hampshire, traditionally one of the most gun-friendly states in the Union. It’s motto is “Live Free or Die”, after all. Well, as you might expect, the new Democrat administration has set about dismantling that philosophy. They started by banning anyone except law enforcement from being armed in the State House.

State representative John Burt has decided he is not going to comply. He described the rule-change as “anti-gun and anti-Constitution”, saying that he wants to make sure that,  “..every crazy nut out there that loves to go to these gun-free zones and do their killing understand one thing: I, Rep. John Burt of Goffstown, will not be a victim..”

The rest of the State House is pro-gun space, Burt said, and he has even carried his gun into the Governor’s office. He concluded by saying: “It has been proven that gun-free zones have turned into killing zones.”

Guns were allowed until 1971, when a GOP legislator requested a ban. This lasted until 2011, when a GOP law change once again allowed legislators to carry on the House floor. There have been no accidental or negligent discharges, although two firearms have been dropped.

We have seen gun-free-zones being used as killing zones and we are familiar with how initiatives such as SAFER are working to remove them. So, what do you think? Is Representative Burt correct or just a sore loser? What happens in your state? Write to us at: onair at politics and guns dot com.



Rob- elections have consequences.

John- I’m reminded

Grant- there are enough gun owners in NJ to get their way, too. Here also, they tend not to turn up.




Virginia Governor Ralph Northam – Democrat – proposed gun confiscation orders, criminalization of private gun sales, an “assault weapons” ban and other “common sense” gun controls, such as a red-flag law and a one-gun-a-month law.

As usual, this Bloomberg shill said that these proposed controls would “reduce gun violence’. Experience taught us that this is simply a convenient lie to continue the Democrat program of civilian disarmament. The Governor hand-waved about “senseless gun violence” without distinguishing between what criminals did with their guns and what law abiding gun owners did with theirs. The proposed measures have proven ineffective in many other states.

For example, California has prohibited private gun sales since the 1990s, but has experienced many high-profile attacks since then. Similarly, the aggressive assault weapon ban in Maryland hasn’t made Baltimore any safer. Instead, violent crime rose in both states.

Ignoring the evidence, this Democrat Governor tweeted: “This morning I announced a broad package of reasonable legislation to prevent gun violence and improve Virginia’s public safety.”

Do you live in Virginia? what do you think? Do you live in Maryland or California or New York or Connecticut? How have new anti-gun laws affected crime? Write and tell us at: onair at politics and guns dot com.





John – Joe Morrissey used to be a member of the VA House of Delegates. He was virulently anti-gun but that didn’t stop him from waving around an AK on the House floor during a gun control debate.

Grant – so thinking about Red Flag laws, what do we think of Marco Rubio introducing a red flag bill to Congress?

Rob- Rubio is trolling for bloomberg dollars in purple Florida and low information voters?




We all remember how a House tradition – the annual baseball game – was used by a Democrat activist to shoot and severely wound multiple individuals including Republican Steve Scalise over a year ago.

Well it appears that the same sentiment is still alive and dangerous on the Socialist Left.

Scalise and a Democrat activist were having a public debate on Twitter about Democrat proposals for increasing income and other taxes. You might say that this is a good use of social media – open exchange or ideas and disagreements in full public view.

However, when some on the left side started talking about shooting him, Scalise pulled the plug.

They tweeted: “snipe his ass,”, “she’s got better aim than our guy, that’s for sure,” and “Kick his cane,”

Scalise closed the discussion, saying: “Happy to continue this debate on the Floor of the People’s House, but it’s clearly not productive to engage here with some of your radical followers.”

Once again, we are seeing that it’s the Left who are flirting with aggression and violence… what Michael Bane calls “chumming for monsters”.

Can you tell us about similar incidences?



Rob- What would the media say if we called for murder.





Well the 116th Congress opened last week and two pro-gun bills were introduced. Both of these are old friends. One passed the House but was never called for a vote in the Senate. One got out of Committee but not out of Congress.

North Carolina representative John Hudson refiled his National Reciprocity Bill, that would allow legally armed citizens to avoid the minefield of different CCW regulations and carry anywhere (more or less) in these United States. We all know examples of people who have a home-state carry permit becoming illegal to carry when they arrive in a less friendly state – this legislation is designed to overcome this risk.

Last session, Hudson’s Bill passed the House with a 231 – 198 vote, but it’s sister Bill was never presented for. vote in the Senate, and the opportunity died. It will be interesting to see whether Speaker Pelosi will bring Hudson’s Bill to the House floor for a vote.

Also being reintroduced this session is the Hearing Protection Act. South Carolina representative Jeff Duncan moved the Bill that will remove Suppressors from National Firearms Act regulation. He wants to make suppressor use commonplace, much as it is in other countries, in order to protect hearing.

The Bill would be retroactive, meaning that the one-and-a-half million suppressors already in use would be deleted from ATF records. The consequence would that suppressors would be “downgraded” and be treated as regular firearms – anyone who could legally own a firearm could buy or sell a suppressor through an FFL.

Last year, the HPA was rolled into a larger package or pro-hunting legislation called the SHARE Act, which Speaker Ryan never brought for a vote.

Again, it will be interesting to see whether Speaker Pelosi brings this Bill forward.




Gun Quotes

“..states everywhere are highly intent on outlawing or at least controlling even the mere possession of arms by private citizens—and most states have indeed succeeded in this task—as an armed man is clearly more of a threat to any aggressor than an unarmed man. It bears much less risk for the state to keep things peaceful while its own aggression continues, if rifles with which the taxman could be shot are out of the reach of everyone except the taxman himself!”

Hans-Hermann Hoppe, A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism: Economics, Politics, and Ethics

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5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Belle- Huntsville, Alabama
Some things in this world are a given.  Nothing good happens after midnight. Criminals will get guns no matter what laws you pass.

A fight broke out at Club 3208 in Huntsville on Monday morning.  The fight resulted in the ejection from the club of the convicted felon.  The security team herded the suspect out of the club and kept the patrons inside in case things escalated.

The felon did go to his car but he did not get in and drive away.  Instead, he produced an AK-pattern rifle and started firing at the club.

He started walking back toward the club and firing shots, so security officer Latoya made the choice to stop him.  As he came toward the door, she moved behind a vehicle parked in a handicap spot near the door to the club. She used the vehicle for cover and concealment and when she had a chance she shot the armed felon.  One of her shots hit him in the leg.

The security officer then rendered aid once the area was deemed safe.  The man was transported to the hospital by friends where the police caught up with him.  He was arrested after being patched up and faces numerous charges.



John – What I love about this story is that the security guard was not some beefy guy but an armed woman.

Grant – didn’t we recently run an interview with Mas Ayoob and his “Designated Defender” concept? This is another example.



Tracy –Midlothian, Texas
Like many husbands, the man really didn’t want to wander around a grocery store with his wife at 7 pm.  He chose instead to wait in the car.

As he waited in the car, he was approached by a 21 year-old man and a 17 year-old girl.

“What’s up?” the man asked as he slid into the passenger seat of the vehicle.  The woman also got in to the rear seat behind the driver.

The victim realized he did not know the pair almost immediately.  The man in the passenger seat reached under his shirt and indicated he was armed and told him, “The next thing you say, you’re going to heaven.”

Unfazed by the threat, the victim reached into a bag next himself and pulled out his own .40-caliber handgun.  He pointed the gun at the would be robber and said, “Let’s go!”

The pair quickly exited the vehicle and walked toward the store.  The victim tried to stop them from entering the store but was not successful.

By the time police arrived, the suspects were identified exiting the store.  They tried to walk away from the officers but the officers grabbed them by the arms and took them into custody.





Warren, Ohio

Kenneth York, his wife and their dog woke up to noises outside their home at 1 AM.

York got up and armed himself with a handgun he kept close by, and headed toward the noises at the back door.  Although it was dark, he could see a large man breaking a glass panel in the door. It appeared he was using a shovel.

York asked, “What the hell are you doing? Get out of here.”

He came in anyway.  York backed up behind the refrigerator in the other room and stuck his gun out and told the intruder that he has a gun and he would shoot him.

The intruder came at him.  He told him to stop and backed up a little.  As the aggressor came through the doorway, he shot him.

If that was not enough, the intruder asked, “What size a gun is that?” to which York replied, “big enough to kill you.”  And with that, he came at him again.

And then the effects of being shot must have caught up with the burglar and he collapsed.

He had hit the man in the upper arm even though we was aiming at center mass.  He held him at gunpoint while his wife called 911. Warren police arrived quickly and took the suspect to the hospital then to the county jail at about 4 AM.

Capt. Robert Massucci, chief of detectives for the Warren Police Department, said Kenneth York fired “just out of fear of this guy,” who was “twice [his] size.” Detectives discussed the matter with the city prosecutor’s office and determined York was “justified in what he did,” Massucci said.

The suspect has a lengthy record and was booked for aggravated burglary in this case.


Gary- Broken Arrow, Oklahoma

It appears that Broken Arrow is not the place to live if you don’t want to have to deal with crime.  In this case, it is not clear if the intended victim and the suspects were known to each other. WE know it is unusual for 5 people to show up to burglarize a house during the night.

The homeowner was armed when they entered the home at 4:45 AM.  He fired 5 or 6 times and hit one of the suspects several times.  He was at the door when police arrived and moved to the street where lifesaving procedures were performed.

The other men with the injured suspect were not hit nor were the houses nearby.

Police waited several hours for a search warrant before they went into the home to search for evidence of what the intruders were after.  The homeowner was questioned at police headquarters and returned home where he was questioned further.



Yuma County, Arizona

The Sheriff’s Office responded to a 911 call at 1:38 AM recenty and discovered 4 individuals.  Those four were all shot after they broke into a home.

They woke the home’s occupants and one of them was armed.  The occupants fired several times and hit all four of the intruders. Three of the suspects were rushed to the hospital where one was pronounced dead.  The injuries of the fourth were not clear.

The case was still being investigated.


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Listener e-mail discussion


Rob- this is from Roger – Hi Fellow Instructors on The Polite Society Podcast,

I’m a self-defense instructor in the Lancaster Pennsylvania area. Please announce a class I’m having called “Protecting Our Houses of Worship”.

I give this two and a half hour course, free of charge, to members of security/safety teams for churches, synagogues and mosques in my area. This course emphasizes the specific knowledge and tactics required for that situation and goes beyond my concealed carry classes.

Thank you and keep up the good work.

Roger E. Temple-  Sheepdog Firearm Training LLC

~_John – I’m reminded of an atrocity in his area a few years ago when an Amish school ~_

John – This email is from Kirk – In reference to Episode 476, you gentlemen discussed the DGU case of Mr. Crepeau out of Missoula.  While this was a successful DGU, you gentlemen became quite animated. Paul sounded angry at one point, followed by what seemed to be mocking by the co-hosts when Mr.

Crepeau is quoted as saying, “training, training, training.”

I have been a martial arts and self-defense instructor for decades.

I think it is possible that you gentlemen might have made unwarranted assumptions about Mr. Crepeau training.  Beyond the “Israeli Method,” did you know that it was standard doctrine in the U.S. military for decades that Officers carrying semi-automatic pistols should carry with the chamber empty? A better discussion could have been from the perspective of “while this worked, how can we improve the strategy and technique?”

To satisfy my own curiously, I looked up the original story and, as it turns out, Mr. Crepeau is a former competitive shooter.   This is indicative of some sort of training,

Just because most of our current standards are arguably “better” does not mean that what came before is therefore “bad.” If any of this comes across as impolite, I apologize.  It is not my intention. Please, going forward, be careful about making assumptions and how commentary sounds.

Thank you for your time,


Gary- Hi Kirk. Thank you for writing in. I’m going to explain what I want our listeners to do if they were in that situation. It would take extraordinary circumstance to recommend clearing your own house without a live round in the chamber. Time is short and Mr. Crepeau’s character is not being questioned. I will recommend what I understand to be best practice.


Rob- Was Mr Crepeau lucky or was he good?

Grant – he was “crepeau” out of luck

Rob- Grant, you made me laugh.


John – This email is from Jeremy – Listening to your recent show, I want to call you all out to task. Are we so afraid of the Federal government that we should just roll over? We need to get out of our comfort zone and stand for our Rights EVEN in the face of government prosecution. Our American ancestors gave their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. We need to do better and come together with a collective NO and tell the government that they have no authority to enact any kind of gun legislation or regulation.

Constitutional advocate and Liberty lobbyist KrisAnne Hall has written an open letter for anyone to use to send to every Senator or Representative, it doesn’t matter if they are from your State or not as their vote affects you as well. Her letter can be found here: http://krisannehall.com/index.php/resources/articles/218-open-letter-re-gun-legislation

I would implore you all and your other listeners to do this to stand up for everyone’s Rights.

Jeremy in Iowa

Rob- I have to call my representatives.

Grant- yes, Jeremy


Grant: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

John- My latest posts outline the new gun bills that have been or will be introduced in Congress. By the time this podcast is aired, a universal background check bill in honor of Gabby Giffords will be introduced. Mind you the killer passed a NICS check. There are also pro-gun rights bills but let’s get real – they are going nowhere. Expect more to come. I also have a post up about education versus training. It was spurred by an op-ed by Congresswoman Virginia Foxx. The key phrase is that education is for humans and training is for animals. We need to stop saying that a person needs “more training” with firearms and say they need more education. Read the post and let me know what you think.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

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Grant: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Kat Ainsworth for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Paul and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Belle: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 477 – Brandon Combs from FPC – Kat and Belle


Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Tuesday, January 1st, 2019, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Brandon Combs about bringing the bump stock ban into court, and to Kat Ainsworth to talk some more about domestic abuse.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about police in Rio de Janeiro resorting to snipers, so climb aboard.

Rob: strap in.

Paul, and hang on! Episode 477 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Personal news from each participant

Rob- I carried and dry practiced, and took relatives to the range. I’m may have found a producer for the Spanish edition of self-defense gun stories. I’m looking for a host and spanish speaking instructors.

John- In our last show I said I planned to deer hunt with my AR. After checking, I didn’t have hunting ammo and couldn’t get it in time so I went real old school with my Savage Model 1920 bolt action in .300 Savage. I did get in three days of deer hunting but the deer were elsewhere. That’s why it’s called hunting and not shooting. If you are frugal, now is the time to start looking for sales on hunting accessories with big game seasons winding down. I got some good buys today. I would also like to add my condolences to Amy on the passing of her father this past week.

Grant- Well, Och-Aye the noo. I’m sorry I’m not with you tonight, but I’ll be with you in spirit – a 12 year old single malt from Islay (“eye-la”) called “Machir”, from the Kilchoman (“kill-KO-man”) distillery, to be precise. In Scotland we call the last day of the year “Hogmanay” (pronounced “hUG-manay”) and there are a number of traditions that take place after “The Bells”. Tradition holds that the New Year hasn’t arrived until someone has come to visit. This person is your “First Foot” and brings gifts such as a lump of coal and a kind of cake called “Black Bun”. There’s a traditional greeting and hope for a good new year, which is “lang may yer lum reek”, which translates to “may your chimney always be warm”, more or less. So – Happy New Year to all our podcasters and podcast listeners – it’s going to be cold and clear here tonight, as we say, “It’ll be a braw, bricht, moonlicht nicht the nicht”. Yo-Ho-Ho! and may 2019 bring us all peace and happiness.

Paul/Susan Got home after several delays and somehow caught the crud.

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Grant asks if we could remind people about National Train a Teacher day on July 20th.

PATCHES– Yes, we still have PSP patches though sales have been very slow. Price is $8 ppd. Send PayPal to john@politicsandguns.com or an email to that address if you want to pay by check. As I said all proceeds will go to the Second Amendment Foundation. I was able to send them $80.47 this week which should help with their 2A lawsuits.

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POLITE SOCIETY NEWS, December 31st 2018

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News Segment One

I think this article of Rob’s should be discussed:

It may be that you use this good news as the only news!




It seems that Wilson Witzel,  the new Governor of Rio de Janeiro, has decided to take a firm hand with criminals in Brazil’s postcard city. He’s authorized teams of marksmen to cover the city with a “License to Kill”.

Tired of the widespread use of firearms by the city’s criminals, the Governor has permitted as many as 120 marksmen to accompany police on incursions into the crime and violence ridden slums.

The marksmen will work in pairs, one to shoot, and one to spot, monitor conditions and videotape. Governor Witzel is a Brazilian Federal judge and a former marine with the Brazilian military. He told reporters that, “the protocol will be to immediately neutralize anyone found on the streets with a rifle – they aren’t worried about other people’s live and this is a grave problem all across Brazil”. There were five thousand, three hundred forty-six murders in Rio in 2017.

The policy is part of an election campaign promise from President-elect Jair Bolsonaro, that there would be a “brutal” crackdown on the criminals who make life so harrowing for everyday Brazilians. This trial initiative in Rio will be the first test of the new President’s policy of “maximum force.”

Groups of twenty police will begin a month-long training in long range marksmanship. Once they are proficient at six hundred meters, they will be sent into action. Witzel said that the filming is essential to prove that those targeted “deserve killing”. He added that criminals “do not need to be actively shooting”, in order to be targeted by the new marksman teams.

Wiztel has also created a security council that answers directly to him. He envisions surveillance using thirty thousand cameras around the city and he has been studying advanced facial recognition software, and the use of drones.

So – do you think your town needs shoot-on-sight policing? Write and tell us at onair at politics and guns dot com



Paul – While this is not in the United States, I am VERY concerned about the lack of due process

Rob- Stop a crime in progress.

John – The new president of Brazil is saying he wants to liberalize the gun laws to allow ordinary citizens easier access




This story comes to us from the National Shooting Sports Foundation. We have heard recently, that newly published data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) show that firearm-related deaths are at record highs. This is a great headline for the gun-grabbers, but as you might expect, it isn’t the whole story – far from it.

CDC very helpfully breaks down the overall data into: homicides, suicides and unintentional fatalities. Now, the gun-grabber headlines begin to look a little fuzzy. For example, CDC’s data show that the number of fatal firearms related accidents is only 66% of what it was twenty years ago.

Also, gun grabbers were elated to tell us that the number of all firearms deaths exceeded those involving cars. This is true of you only consider the raw numbers. However when you consider the number of car deaths as a proportion of the number of cars, cars are involved in way more deaths – 117 deaths per 1M US population. Firearms accidents resulted in only 1 death per million population, down from 3 per million in 1999. And of course, we all know that violent crime generally continues to fall, even though firearms ownership continues to rise… or, perhaps that *because*…

We recently heard Rob Pincus remind us that the sad truth is that around two-thirds of firearms deaths occur in suicide completions, and we can all do more to be attuned to the signs of desperation in our friends and family members.

As part of this effort, NSSF and other parts of the firearms industry is working with over fifteen thousand law enforcement agencies across the country. This includes efforts such as “Project Childsafe”. They have also distributed more than thirty-seven million firearms locks throughout the country.

NSSF has also partnered with the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention to help raise awareness, to give insight to signs someone may be at risk, and provide options for safe firearms storage.

So, the next time you see a dramatic click-bait headline, take a moment and think about what message the writers want you to believe. Perhaps go to the source and take a look at it, and then email us at: onair at politics and guns dot com to tell us what you think.



John – It reminds me of a story in Bloomberg’s The Trace. They have a map where you can find all violent firearms uses and homicides in a 5 mile radius from a location. I tried it around my house. There were 3 homicides in the last 5 years. So,.. What isn’t said that 2 out of 3 of these were police involved shootings.




In what is considered an historic action, but houses of the Ohio General Assembly has overturned Governor Kasich’s veto of House Bill 228. The Bill was originally vetoed by Governor Kaisich because it included so-called “stand-your-ground” protections for concealed carriers in the Buckeye State, and also failed to contain a red-flag law.

The legislators brought the rejection to the floor of both houses, where it passed bigly – in the house by 67-to-22 and in the same by 21-to-11. The Governor could not stop the legislators from executing the will of the people of Ohio.

The bill contains many improvements for Ohio’s four million gun owners, and here are the highlights:

* Makes gun owners innocent until proven guilty in self-defense shootings – previously, you would have had to prove that you were innocent.

* Strengthens the State’s preemption laws to make it more difficult for cities and other districts to create their one gun laws.

* Makes the Mossberg “Shockwave” and similar self-defense firearms legal

Provides greater facility for the authorities to prosecute those who make so-called ‘straw” purchases.

* Expands firearm access for off-duty police officers.

Buckeye Firearms noted that many legislators and their staff put in extra work to make this happen and thanked them. This will be Governor Kaisich’s last term.

Paul – It’s a GREAT bit of news.






For the gun grabbers, Christmas isn’t so much about the season of goodwill to all, but just about another opportunity. This time they’ve decided to invite kids with toy guns to swap them for something “appropriate”.

On December 13th, in the middle of prime “Yo-Ho-HO” season, the village of Hempstead hosted the Long Island Toy Gun Exchange Program. Each child received one politically correct toy for each water pistol, nerf gun or other toy gun they turned in.

The toys for the turn in were supplied by local businessman Sam Acosta, who made it clear that it was an intention to turn children away from the firearms culture. HE said: “It has to start at a young age, If we can get them to say, ‘It’s not cool to carry these toy guns,’ then maybe when they get older, they won’t ever carry a real gun.” He didn’t distinguish legal and illegal gun use in his comments.

This is the third toy-gun turn-in hosted by Hempstead, and the message about indoctrinating children has remained the same: guns are bad – all guns are bad”. Over the years many things have been used to bribe kids out of their toy guns – even slices of pizza.

SO – is hot harmful for children to act out aggression? Does it lead to real aggression? Do toy guns have a useful role in preparing children to handle real firearms later in life? How did *you* introduce your children to guns? Write to us with your opinions at onair at politics and guns dot com

Paul – I played a LOT with guns as a child. Including a pellet rifle at about age 5.

Rob- I want children to play with guns..and we play with our children. Even a finger gun. Teach our children firearms safety before they have  a gun.




John- Gun Quotes

We must be ready to dare all for our country. For history does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. We must acquire proficiency in defense and display stamina in purpose.  We must be willing, individually and as a Nation, to accept whatever sacrifices may be required of us. A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.

Dwight D. Eisenhower

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Brandon Combs.


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4- Interview 2 Kat Ainsworth Segment 3 (pre recorded)

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

John – Reidsville, North Carolina

Nothing good happens between midnight and 4 AM usually. At 2:15 AM on Christmas morning, two men dressed in all black clothing and wearing masks and gloves walked into a Stop and Shop Convenience Store in Reidsville, North Carolina.

The men showed a handgun to the cashier and then held cashier and two other people in the store at gunpoint while they proceeded to rob the store.

Fortunately, one of the customers was armed at the time.

At his earliest opportunity, he pulled his firearm and shot at the two robbers.

The robbers left the store and got in a vehicle and left headed east on Highway 158. There was a getaway driver in the vehicle at the time.

The two robbers have been identified and are being sought. Police believed they had been wounded by the customer but had not shown up at any local hospital.


Rob- Thank you for thinking about this with us.

Paul- Good job on the part of the customer for waiting for an opportunity to draw.

Rob- Antioch, Tennessee
When an 18 year old man showed up at the home of his girlfriend or ex-girlfriend, it was not a friendly visit. He kicked his way in and threatened the girl’s mother. She or the man’s child with him were there at the time.

The girl’s mother told him to leave and began putting his belongings which had been stored at the home on the front porch. During the commotion, the girl’s brothers came up from a downstairs den and confronted the man.

The intruder punched one of the brothers and then walked to his car, telling them he “had something for them.”

They were concerned that he was going to arm himself.

When he returned to the porch, one of the brothers shot him in the torso. The intruder went back to his car where he was found by responding officers. He died there.

The two brothers left the home but soon returned and surrendered the gun to officers. No gun was found in the vehicle or on the intruder.

The investigation was ongoing and will turned over to the District Attorney’s office to determine if charges will be filed.

This suspect was found in the gun memorial site.


John- Never leave the scene. It automatically makes your behavior look suspicious.
Paul- This MAY have been a good shoot, but leaving the scene creates a HUGE amount of suspicion

Rob- Call the police as you go get your gun.

John- New Orleans, Louisiana

The robber walked into a New Orleans Auto Zone with a gun at 6 PM on the Friday before Christmas and yelled, “Open up the register or I’mma kill you!”

The man received $886 from the register and started to leave. The manager of the store was also armed and fired about seven rounds at him. The robber was hit and managed to make it to a local motel parking lot before collapsing. Police located him there and transported him to University Medical Center where he was treated and will survive.

The glass front door and a window were shattered from the apparent bullet holes. There were three evidence cones outside the store and one inside the store.

His bail was set at $100,000 and he was appointed a public defender. The store manager had not been charged.

Paul – Of course there are exceptions, but NEVER shoot at a fleeing felon.

Rob- South Pasadena, California
Two men walked into Vana Watch and Jewelry and loitered around the store for a few minutes. The business owner saw the men on the security monitor and came out of the back to the floor where is nephew was working.

The two scuffled with the owner and attempted to stab him before another employee pointed a gun at the men. The two fled.


Rob- The nephew had the gun. He pointed it the scrum as the robbers wrestled with his uncle. I wish he had more training.

Paul- Never point a gun at anything you are not willing to kill or destroy

John- Lawrence, Indiana
A man was sitting in his car in a shopping center parking lot when another man got in and showed him a gun. He demanded money. The victim told the robber he had no cash so the robber instructed him to drive to a Chase Bank branch in the same parking lot.

At the time, there was an armored truck stocking the branch’s ATMs so the victim attempted to steer towards it hoping for some help. When the robber told him to avoid the truck, a fight broke out.

The victim grabbed his gun and they started fighting in the vehicle at close quarters over the gun.

During the struggle over the gun, the car crashed into a nearby fence and both men exited the car.

Unknown to the robbery suspect, he was not the only one armed. The victim also had a firearm and an exchange to gunfire took place.

The suspect was struck twice. The intended victim was also shot but is now home recovering.

At the time of the gunfight, Lawrence Police officers were down the street and responded to the sound of the shooting.

“They hear the gunfire and immediately respond, and they’re able to stabilize the situation and make an almost immediate apprehension of the suspect,” Deputy Chief Gary Woodruff said.

The robber now faces charges including armed robbery, aggravated battery and criminal confinement. He also had an arrest warrant for a previous arrest from an unrelated robbery. He was in serious but stable condition.


Paul – Gary would remind everyone that you can program your car to not unlock when you put your car in park.

Rob- Local PD with elevated tower in the parking lot, and extra deputies in the mall.

John- Kinda like a deer stand for criminals.

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Listener e-mail discussion

Rob- Hello crew,

I’m invoking the NRR (no recipe rule).  Our mag ban case has now been advanced to an En Banc hearing at the 3rd circus court.  This will be the last stop before the SCOTUS. Sorry to hear about the accident Paul. I too am a driver.  I run a dash cam all the time. It is a must. Lastly, Self Defense Gun Stories is one of the network podcasts that I listen to regularly.  Hope all have had a Merry Christmas. Happy new year!

South Jersey Shooter

Paul –

Rob- 85

John-  Clayton writes and liked our comments on the DGU where an armed woman with her carry license stopped an escaped convict a few feet from her bedroom door.

Quote-I would like to name Rob MVP of episode 474. When he jumped on the DGU and said the defender didn’t need a CCW to legally defend her home, but that her training was critically important.  That shut down any stray thoughts a listener might have about people skipping out on training! Her mindset and weapon handling skills are likely the only reason she survived that escaped prison inmate’s home invasion attack.

Great discussion everyone, thanks for everything you do and an extra thanks to whomever took over the show when Paul and Susan were away. I much prefer a smaller crew to an absent show!

Carry on, Clayton


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote this on Christmas eve. We celebrate that a saviour was born who would die to save us. That is an inspiring message. We are called upon to be good. We are supposed to face evil without becoming an evil person ourselves. Many people do that in today in visible and difficult ways. It is our duty to protect the people we love until help arrives..and to thank the people who help us.

These good men and women remind me of my many blessings.

Our listeners are one of my blessings. Thank you for all you do. You are not alone. Stay safe in body and spirit until help arrives.

A Year of Evil and Saviors

My articles are up at Clash Daily, Full30, Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

John – Since our last show, there have been three more lawsuits filed against the bump stock ban. GOA filed theirs in Michigan, journalist David Codrea filed one in DC, and the Firearms Policy Coalition filed one challenging the ability of purported Acting AG Matthew Whitaker to even sign the rule. Three of the lawsuits are now attacking the ban based upon the merits while the FPC lawsuit is taking an interesting tack by attacking it on procedural issues. This last suit has the potential to be resolved the quickest and may end up in the Supreme Court.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Paul – John, I noticed a post on your blog about the annual possum drop, were you able to attend that North Carolina tradition?

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

Rob: Until the next time…

Paul: stay safe,

Rob : be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 475 – An Interview with Charles Heller

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John – Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, December 17th, 2018, I’m John Richardson.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Charles Heller about Tucson Arizona virtue signaling with taxpayer dollars.

Grant: I’m Grant Gallagher, and we’ll talk about the recently released report on the Parkland school mass murders.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs Those ex-boyfriends are at it again… so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

Grant : and hang on!

John:  episode 475 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Bill Frady and I talked about Self-Defense Gun Stories.  That was on his Lock and Load Radio program. ???and I recorded another Episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories. I’m still looking for a bilingual host to produce the show in spanish.


Grant- I conducted my last class of 2018 on Saturday, our beginner handgun class, the class went well and my EMT co-instructor Pete from Berin Arms did a great job. It’s always good to work with motivated students, and always interesting to see what guns they bring. This class, someone brought an M&P 380-EeZee. It’s remarkable how well that slide is set up and how easily it can be manipulated, and she shot well with it.

John – As you might expect in the South, the snow is quickly fading away. I did do some more “gunsmithing” this week finishing up projects. I have also started getting ready for the SHOT Show which starts little more than a month from now. If any of our listeners want me to check out certain new product releases, they can either send feedback to our show email or to me directly at john@politicsandguns.com.

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Grant – well, classes are over for this year, but next year is looming. We are going to be offering a mix of USCCA and NRA classes, including Instructor classes for both organizations, in handgun, rifle and home defense. We also have National Train a Teacher Day on July 27th. So if any of that sounds interesting, email me on Grant-at-scotshot-dot-com for more details

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POLITE SOCIETY NEWS, December 17th 2018

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At last, the preliminary report on the Parkland mass murder is out and it contains some real insight into what happened inside the school. The draft report sheds light on things the took place inside the school on that day.

It had been speculated that the murderer pulled a firearm to bring targets out into the crowded hallways. That isn’t true, it was dust and gun smoke that triggered the fire alarm.

The murderer only shot people in his line of sight. He never entered a classroom.

The teachers were isolated. They made their own decisions to shelter in the hardened corners, only doing so when they heard gunshots.

The teachers sheltering in the hardened corners of classrooms never used the school’s PA system, because the call button was not in the hardened corners.

There had not been an active shooter drill in the school in at least a year. The teachers did not call a “code red”. So, when they heard the fire alarm, some of them evacuated their classrooms.

All classroom walls were made of sheetrock and offered no protection from gunfire. Students murdered inside classrooms and hiding in the “hard” corners were shot by chance.

Local 911 dispatchers were not in direct contact with the Broward County Sheriff Department, because their office did not handle emergency services for the school.

Six people entered statements that they had previously reported concerns about the murderer to the school authorities.

As we will see in our next story, the report has changed the minds of may people, when it comes to allowing volunteer armed teachers to protect students.

Once you’ve looked at the report, we’d love to hear your thoughts. Email them to: onair at politics and guns dot com.

Rob, this was your story, why not fill in some of your thoughts?

Rob- This attack could have been much worse with much greater loss of life. We saw gross incompetence. Police from different jurisdictions and fire/EMTs could not communicate with each other by radio. Requests to use non-standard communications networks were delayed or denied. The school staff, the police, and EMTs would have discovered those shortcomings if they had walked through an attack during a drill.

There are phone apps for emergency response. Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel told his staff to take these apps off their phone. He wanted to be in charge.

The Broward county leos failed. That was true for sros, sargents, and incident commanders.

Coral Springs LEOs moved toward the gunfire as they were trained to do.

There was a lot of discussion in the report on “unified command and control”. That misses the point. The event will be over by the time you set up and staff your command and control network.

John – I’m kind of surprised to learn that the classroom walls were sheetrock. I’ve never been in a school that didn’t have cinderblock hall walls.


Grant – these communications issues were highlighted in the Sept 11th attacks – there’s no excuse for it now.







As we reported last week, Sheriff Bob Gualtieri has reversed his opinion on whether volunteer  school teachers should be armed, and this past Wednesday, the commission investigating the murders voted 13 for, and one against, allowing volunteer armed teachers in schools.

He said, “People need to keep an open mind to it as the reality is that if someone else in the school had a gun it could have saved kids’ lives.”

The murderer stopped firing five times to reload. No one in the school was armed and able to take advantage of these gaps in the attack.

One of the Report’s authors said, “The Parkland Commission’s decision in favor of arming teachers is rational and founded in common sense. While many commissions often come to feel-good conclusions, the Parkland commission here came to very effective, clear and definitive recommendations.”

He continued that they will make a major improvement in protecting the lives of the children and teachers in Florida. It’s only a tragedy that it took seventeen lives to bring Florida to the same conclusion of so many other States.

So- are you in a state where the teachers are allowed to be armed? What do you think. Email: onair at politics and guns dot com

Rob- That recommendation from the advisory commission probably won’t be acted on. The florida school guardian program takes more than four weeks of training. Programs in other states take less than four days of training. The guardian program is only for non-classroom teachers. That is great if we have to protect the football field, but not so good if we want to protect our students who are usually located in the classroom.

John- NC just held hearings on school safety with public and LEO input.








Pennsylvania is one of many states with so-called “State Preemption” over gun laws, meaning that individual towns, cities and districts in the state cannot create their own firearms laws within the State. However, this isn’t enough for Pittsburgh mayor William Petudo. He has his own ideas, preemption be damned.

He recently held a press conference proposing three new laws that are in direct conflict with State law, and State supreme court precedent. He was joined by State Governor Tom Wolff. Perhaps coincidentally, Governor Wolff received a half a million dollars of support from the Bloomberg front, Everyone for Gun Safety.

The laws are:

  • A complete ban on semiautomatic rifles shotguns and AR pistols
  • A ban on a whole slew of accessories, including: bump stocks, aftermarket triggers, silencers/suppressors, semi-automatic rifles with a detachable magazine and a pistol grip, magazines of more than 10 rounds, and others
  • A “Red Flag” law that allows reporting by family members, for a variety of reasons including marijuana use, and “other reasons” that might be accepted by a court.

The good Mayor is so enamored of his initiative that he has written to other cities across the country to do the same. Council member Corey O’Connor, who helped author the proposals, said, “Pittsburgh must seize the opportunity to make a real difference by partnering with other municipalities in the Commonwealth, and cities across America, to enact gun restrictions.”

The initiative is firmly against State law and State legal precedent. The case of “Ortiz v Commonwealth” spelled out clearly that a previous attempt by Pittsburgh and Philadelphia to defy state preemption was “frivolous”. So, Pittsburgh should be under no illusions. However, they are toeing the Bloomberg line, and will no doubt once again spend taxpayer money to defend the inevitable lawsuit.

Write to us, please, at onair at politics and guns dot com, and tell us what your state, city or township is up to.

Grant – I love that she “helped author” the bill – I guess that means she received the email from Bloomberg and pressed “print”

Rob- this was a bunch of word salad for gun control. I’ve talked with people who set up security programs in their synagogues.

Grant- the laws follow the same format as that introduced in the House of REpresentatives – it’s so OBVIOUS that this is a National gun control initiative sent from a central location and not at all authored at the local level.


John- The sad thing is that the PA Sup Ct is now totally in the hands of Democrats so precedent may go out the window along with the black letter law.




As Former Darling of the Left State Venezuela continues to spiral into tribal feudality under its socialist dictator, President Maduro, some are bitterly regretting not opposing successive waves of gun banning.

In 2012, then president Hugo Chavez enacted the “Control of Arms, Munitions and Disarmament Law”, with the explicit aim of disarming all citizens. The law banned the legal sale of guns and ammunition to anyone other than government entities.

There was a month-long amnesty – which collected only thirty-seven guns – followed by forcible seizures of 12,500 firearms. In 2014 the government spent more than $47 million dollars enforcing the gun bans and making grand public demonstrations of firearm destructions. The penalty for selling a firearm now is 20 years in prison.

Pro-Democracy activists have taken to the streets, and since April 2017, 200 of them have been shot dead by government police. Government-backed local groups – called “collectivos” have been going on crime rampages – since 2015 there have been 28,000 murders.

Pro-democracy spokesmen said: “Venezuelans didn’t care enough about their firearms. The idea of having the means to protect your home was seen as only needed out in the fields. People never would have believed they needed to defend themselves against the government,”

“Venezuela shows the deadly peril when citizens are deprived of the means of resisting the depredations of a criminal government,” said David Kopel of Denver University.

Although the bill was sold to the population as a hardline effort to improve security, and sharply reduce crime, many now point to Venezuela as a case study for how gun prohibition can actually produce the opposite effect.

Well – does that sound familiar? It’s unlikely that there will be such violence here in the USA, but do you think that a total gun ban is likely to happen? Write and let us know. The address is onair at politics and guns dot com.

John – Authoritarian regimes always need an unarmed populace to succeed in controlling people. It was that way in the USSR, Nazi German, Red China, and the list goes on.

Grant – gun bans, leading to knife bans.. Etc…




Rob- They have a fantasy ideology that is divorced from reality. Government makes you helpless and then says you need more government for protection. That is a protection racket.

Grant – how does boulder outlaw a state CCW permit?




Gun Quotes- It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into error;

it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.

Supreme Court Justice Robert H. Jackson

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Charles Heller).


3- Interview 1 Charles Heller- 520.870.2700

Radio personality and media spokesman for AzCDL

Tucson City Council to discuss gun dealer policy

Tucson can choose where to buy new firearms and police equipment.

Tucson PD has to sell used and confiscated firearms. They can choose where to sell them. The city council says they can set the terms of sale.

State preemption

Are they restricted to sell to the highest bidder in a sale and the lowest bidder in a purchase?

Sell to art dealers for scrap?

John- Tucson seems to be more left or Democratic than the rest of the state. Why is this?

Grant- well, not really, AZ elected a  D senator…

JOhn, will you close w charles? – ask him how people can link with then in Az



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John – Tulsa, Oklahoma

Those ex-boyfriends are at it again. They still haven’t learned the meaning of no means no.

Last week, a 42 year-old ex-boyfriend went to the ex-girlfriend’s apartment.  They had been broken up for a while but he was trying to get back together with her.

He pressured her to allow him to spend the night on her couch.

At 7 AM, police were dispatched to the apartment in response to a domestic shooting call.

The woman told law enforcement that while she was getting out of the shower, the ex attempted to sexually assault her.  During the struggle, she was able to retrieve a firearm and shoot him several times.

She told police that he continued his assault while she was getting her gun.

Witnesses reported hearing a woman’s screams and then gunshots.  The woman had several marks on her face and disclosed the sexual assault while speaking with a nurse after the shooting.

He was transported to the hospital where he succumbed to his wounds five days later.

Authorities did not anticipate any arrests or charges but she may still be interviewed by homicide detectives.


Grant – don’t bring an ex boyfriend to your sofa….

Rob- Don’t be that guy or that gal.



Grant – Moon Township, Pennsylvania

We always like the thugs who don’t take our advice about taking a knife to a gunfight.

This 34 year old thug was taken to the hospital after he was found outside a CVS pharmacy in Carnegie, on the south side of Pittsburgh.  The suspect was taken at about 11:45 PM and had told law enforcement that he had been robbed at gunpoint.

An hour earlier, a 48 year-old Moon Township man had called 911 to report that he had been stabbed by another man and had fired a gun at the person.  He was transported to the hospital where he died from the stab wounds.

Shortly afterwards, Carnegie police responded to the CVS parking lot where our hapless thug was found with a gunshot wound to the arm.

Police later determined that the suspect was the person they were seeking in the stabbing of the moon township man.

It appears that he went to the residence to confront the victim, possibly about a romantic relationship he was having with a female that they were both acquainted with.

The thug will be taken to Allegheny County Jail upon his release from the hospital.


Gary- Houston, Texas

A man and his nephew were arguing inside the uncle’s home recently when it turned to a DGU.

The fight started over the phone and ended when the nephew arrived at the home.

The two exchanged threats and then the uncle followed the nephew into his bedroom.

The uncle reported to investigators that he feared for his life and that is why he shot his nephew in the leg.

The nephew’s girlfriend took him to the hospital where he died.

He had recently moved in with his uncle and aunt but they were in the process of making him leave.  The uncle is being questioned and is cooperating.

The nephew was a safety on the Fort Bend Marshall High School football team which was to play a semi-final football game two days later.  Their opponent in that game had announced that they would put his #3 on their helmets.


Rob- Metairie, Louisiana

A 27 year-old woman called police just before 9 PM to report that she had shot her husband in their home.

When Jefferson Parrish Sheriff’s officers arrived, they found that the 27 year-old husband had been shot multiple times.  He died where he lay. They took her into custody and took her to the agency’s detective bureau to be questioned.

The wife was cooperating and provided a detailed and well-documented history of physical and psychological abuse.

Although she had not called law enforcement or had discussed the abuse with family or friends, she was able to provide enough corroborating evidence to back up her statements.

She said that he had beaten her and attempted to strangle her before she shot him.  She feared the years of abuse would culminate in her death.

The Sheriff’s Office said that the woman “displayed multiple physical injuries that corroborated her account” of a justifiable killing in self-defense.

The Sheriff’s office will forward their findings to the Jefferson Parish District Attorney’s office, which will decide whether to file criminal charges.



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Listener e-mail discussion

Grant -This is from Matthew

Hey all,
Just wanted to ask if you can readdress “universal” background checks, and what exactly that means. Not just for me, but for other listeners. To me it sounds like a vague name the same way “gun violence”  is a vague term that infers one thing, but depending on whom is counting statistics, means something very different. Anyway, one other thing, Ohio allows face to face private sales, so there are some smaller gun sales at a local flea market that are done in that manner, not just a gun store who sets up a table and runs it like a satellite of their store. However, many of the major gun shows I’ve heard that is the case and they do background checks. That said, there are a great amount of buy/sell/trades that occur in the parking lot, which again, in ohio is legal. Wasn’t it proven that none of the mass shootings used “gun show loopholes”?  Also none of the mass-shooters were NRA members..
Love the show, keep up the good work!


Gary- This is from Carl

Listening to #473. Would Graham Grant talk about purchasing airguns and slingshots in New Jersey?  What happens in New Jersey, does not stay in New Jersey.

Also, have you seen the recent news where the mayor of Pittsburgh, PA wants to confiscate firearms?


As is aptly and logically pointed out in the article, his intentions will make his city more dangerous. When or if this happens he will not be held accountable. When will these fools stop their actions, and be more mindful of the safety of the citizens of the locations they represent?  My crystal ball is broken, so I do not know the answer to the question.



John – For Carl https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ieWrWLjii0

John: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


We can pass laws that makes us feel better, but what should we do when these feel-good laws get us and our children killed? We disarmed the staff at school.  We disarmed the flock and the shepherd at church, and we disarmed the designated defender at the bar. That didn’t turn out the way we wanted. The article is called ‘Feel-Good Laws are Getting Us Killed”

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

John – I have two posts I want to highlight. You may remember Operation Fast and Furious where the ATF helped the Mexican drug cartels walk guns to Mexico in order to build support for gun control. The head of the Sinoloa cartel, Joaquin Guzman or El Chapo, is on trial in NY and wants to bring it up in his defense since one of the charges against him involves firearms.  The US government is objecting to it saying it would confuse jurors. Actually, it might raise questions they don’t want to answer. The other post that I want to highlight is the gun control wish list released by Giffords. It has everything from gun and mag bans to red flag laws to government money for so-called smart guns and then some. They have shown their hand so it is time to push your Republican senators about not caving.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

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John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Charles Heller for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Grant: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.