Episode 493 – Annette Evans and Alex from Ammo . com

Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday May 17th 2019, I’m Paul Lathrop

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and on tonight’s show we Have an interview with Annette Evans recorded at the NRA Annual Meetings.

Belle: I’m Belle McCormack, we’ll talk about an increase in High School competitive shooting

Gary: and we got really good feedback about the NRA special episode that you will want to hear, so climb aboard!

Belle: strap in

Gary : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 457 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Gary

Belle – Been on hiatus for a while. My oldest is going thru all the FAS curriculum this spring before he leaves for Basic in July and getting ready for graduation at the same time. Hosting John Farnham this weekend and Ed Monk next month for sold out classes. Been teaching like crazy. Got to go fishing with Marty and my daughter for Mothers Day.

Paul/Susan

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2- News

POLITE SOCIETY NEWS, May 13th 2019

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STORY ONE

Belle – SURGE IN HIGH SCHOOL SHOOTING TEAMS

Let’s start with some good news!

In a recent edition, Time magazine wrote a very thoughtful piece on the increase in participation in the shooting sports in High schools across America, with thanks in part to financial and equipment support, from the NRA.

The focus of the article is a Clay Pigeon competition run in Minnesota, where the Minnesota State High Clay Target League championship says it’s the “Largest shooting sports event in the world.” This year, at least three hundred twenty five high schools sent teams to compete.

They compare the crowds, corporate interest and enthusiasm to a NASCAR event. They talk about kids lining up shoulder to shoulder for team photos with their guns safety in hand, just like any other proud sports teams anywhere in America. Overall, it’s a very positive article filled with positive images.

The article is too long to be done justice here, but we do urge you to read it. It is filled with anecdotes about how sport shootings very much a level playing field, where so-called “computer nerds” can go up against football stars and beat them, and how champions “can emerge from anywhere”, and how this is an “individual sport, like wrestling, that also offers the bonding and interdependence of a team, and how the emphasis at the competition is completely on performance”. No cheerleaders here.

The article emphasizes the increasing involvement of girls – now up to 18% – and how girls and boys compete on an even playing field. It also mentions that in its history, over seventy thousand students have fired over forty-two *million* shots, and there has not been a single injury. Now that is common sense gun safety, for sure.

We urge everyone to read the article.

Paul – Kim Rhode multi multi multi gold medal winning olympian who is almost unknown

SOURCES

http://time.com/longform/high-school-shooting-teams

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STORY TWO

Gary – TWO SCHOOL SHOOTINGS CUT SHORT BY HEROIC STUDENTS

Since we were last on the air, Colorado and  North Carolina have seen two more attempts at mass murder in their high schools and colleges.

The most remarkable thing about these two mass murder attempts is that in both cases, the attempts were thwarted by brave students who rushed the murderers, stopping the shooting and allowing their classmates to escape. The tragedy is that both these valiant young men died.

In the first case, an 18 year old and a 16 year old attacked the STEM school in Highlands Ranch, CO, with firearms they stole from one of their parents. The pair had left a social media hate statement against the President and “all these Christians who hate gays.”

Here, Student hero Kendrick Castillo (who was 18) was shot when he leapt on the murderer as soon as he presented the firearm. According to his classmates, he acted immediately allowing the other students to “get themselves safe.” A second student, Brendan Brialy, also rushed the murderers. He survived.  It later transpired that a 12 year old in a different classroom armed himself with a metal baseball bat on hearing the shots. He later told his parents that he intended to “go down fighting.”

This shooting happened one week after a similar attempted mass murder At the University of Charlotte in North Carolina. Here again, one of the intended victims, hero Riley Howel age 21, challenged the murderer, breaking his initiative and giving Police time to subdue him. Riley was also shot and killed.

In this case, Police chief Kerr Putney hailed the environmental studies major as the “first and foremost hero” of the shooting, saying he “took the fight” to the alleged gunman and got him “off of his feet.” Riley’s parents and girlfriend are devastated, but have said it’s no less than they would have expected of him.

These two incidences demonstrate the need for positive action against active shooters no matter where they are. In Parkland, no-one challenged the shooter and seventeen people died. At Virginia Tech, the classrooms who mounted aggressive response were spared, while those who attempted to placate the murderer, died.

It’s time we taught our high school and university students to “Fight, Run or Hide”; not “Hide, Run or Fight”.

SOURCES

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/colorado-school-shooters-stole-guns-from-parents
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/seven-students-injured-two-suspects-in-custody-after-colorado-school-shooting
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/heroic-colorado-student-died-after-he-and-others-worked-to-subdue-school-shooter
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/05/08/colorado-school-shooting-student-plan-become-marine-disarms-suspect/
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/i-was-going-to-go-down-fighting-12-year-old-readied-with-baseball-bat-to-take-on-colorado-shooter
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/riley-howell-slain-unc-charlotte-student-who-helped-stop-killer-n1001036
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/2-killed-4-wounded-university-north-carolina-charlotte-shooting-identified-n1000626
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/least-2-dead-2-injured-after-report-shooting-university-north-n1000436

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STORY THREE

Paul – LEAKED LETTERS ILLUSTRATE THE PROBLEMS IN THE NRA BOARD.

The session where members met the NRA Board of Directors at the recent Annual Meeting in Indianapolis was acrimonious to say the least.

Several members tried to oust Executive Vice Chairman Wayne LaPierre, President Oliver North resigned and there were multiple calls for transparency concerning the relationship between the NRA and its publicists, Ackerman McQueen. One board member even went so far as to echo the famous movie line.. “.. the truth? You can’t handle the truth..” referring to the members.

Well, now a cache of letters and other correspondence between President North, the NRA, Ackerman McQueen and assorted others, has been leaked into the public domain. It illustrates the kind of issues that are embroiling the troubled NRA Board and tarnishing the organization’s reputation.

While the NRA has filed suit against Ackerman McQueen for allegedly failing to provide information, the leaked letters suggest that the lack of transparency went both ways.

The letters disclose questions over the use of an AmEx card, allegedly requested by LaPierre from Ackerman. Central to the requests are a total of five hundred and forty thousand dollars of expenses on the card, including items such as thirty-nine thousand in a single clothing store on a single day. Other items include over eighteen thousand for a car and driver in Europe, two hundred thousand for air travel, and almost fourteen thousand in rent for an apartment, for a young female summer intern.

Replacing Oliver North, NRA President Carolyn Meadows issued  a statement that the “entire board is fully aware of these issues. We have full confidence in Wayne LaPierre, and it is troubling and pathetic that some people would resort to leaking information to advance their agendas,”  she added.

The full nature of the content of these leaked letters is very disturbing. One might at the very least expect that, given his salary, Mr LaPierre could buy his own clothes.

SOURCES

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/443270-leaked-documents-show-more-than-500000-in-alleged-spending-by
https://www.wsj.com/articles/leaked-letters-reveal-details-of-nra-chiefs-alleged-spending-11557597601

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STORY FOUR

Belle – 3HANDS OFF OUR GUNS, SAY THE SWISS.

Switzerland has always been a bastion of gun ownership. For example, the country has mandatory military service and allows retirees to take their military issues firearms and keep them at home, ready to defend the country should that be necessary.

There is also an thriving and active marksmanship program alive and well in the general community. However, the country is also part of an open borders agreement with the EU, and that agreement is now about to change things for Swiss gun owners.

Later this month, the Swiss are being asked to vote in a binding referendum, and it’s expected that two-thirds of the population will vote to accept stricter gun laws that the EU is imposing as a condition of Switzerland being able to maintain its current open trade and borders agreement.

The new rules will make it harder for Swiss Citizens to buy semiautomatic guns such as their famous Sig 550 rifle and the Ruger 10/22, and require registration of firearms and database tracking. Their government backs the new regulations. The new restrictions are being presented as a “reasonable compromise” against the benefits of open trade, open borders and other legal niceties.

Gun enthusiasts claim that the government is trying to fear-monger a ‘yes’ vote, and are concerned that this is a step towards disarmament of the civilian population, which isn’t unreasonable, given how disarmed the EU citizens actually are.

And of course it isn’t about safety. In a country of 8.5 million inhabitants, gunfire killed just 13 people in 2018 and 14 in 2017. In 2016, over 90% of firearms deaths were suicides, echoing the situation here in the USA.

Switzerland has twenty-six hundred shooting clubs, so weekend gunfire rings out in almost every town and village. Their National Shooting Association claims that “Shooting is fun, shooting is a school for life, shooting is for everyone.” They recommend that children start at 8 with air rifles, moving to 22s by age 10 and military caliber firearms at 15. Every five years, they hold a national marksmanship contest that brings the Captial city to a standstill.

Now the EU has begun the process of bring that all to an end. Socialism plays a long game.

SOURCES

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-swiss-eu-guns/hands-off-our-guns-swiss-enthusiasts-tell-eu-ahead-of-vote-idUKKCN1SK1CN

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3- Interview 1

Annette Evans – done at NRAAM

4- Interview 2

Alex – Ammo.com

Alex, thanks for joining us tonight and thank you to you and Ammo.com for returning as a sponsor of PSP!

To start with let’s talk a little about Ammo.com. You folks there do something pretty unique. You donate a portion of every sale that you make to organizations that are fighting to keep and expand our 2nd Amendment rights. How did this policy come about?

Can a person who orders from Ammo.com decide which organization benefits from their purchase?

Beyond helping with the second amendment cause, you all really do have a great business let’s talk about same day shipping.

Next let’s get to the bottom line. You have GREAT prices, and you have a special for our listeners!

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5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Gary  – Detroit, Michigan

Ex-girlfriend’s can be as dangerous to a woman as ex-boyfriends.

A Detroit woman along with another woman were outside a liquor store in Detroit when a verbal argument with another woman who she was in a previous relationship.  The three were in the parking lot when the third woman pepper sprayed the first woman.

This prompted number 1 to retrieve a handgun from her car.  This appeared to have ended when number 3 got into her car and twice drove at the other two women at a high rate of speed.

When the angry spurned lover made a third pass at the two, nearly pinning them against a wall, the first woman shot the driver.  This was a fatal wound. The shooter is a CPL holder.

“The facts of this case clearly show that it is reasonable for the suspect to use deadly force to defend herself and her friend.  The Wayne County Prosecutor’s Office finds that the shooting was justified and the warrant request has been denied,” assistant prosecutor Maria Miller said.

Witness interviews and video evidence of the incident where thoroughly reviewed.  The shooter did not point the gun at the driver prior to shooting and it was not until the third time that she sped towards the two women.

Paul –

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/detroit-city/2019/05/02/no-charges-against-detroit-woman-shooting-friend-death/3655037002/

Paul – Manchester, New Hampshire

We have not had a man vs animal in a while.

A Manchester man was attacked and pulled to the ground by a pit bull.  He was walking his small dog when the pit bull who was on the loose charged at him and his dog.

The dog bit the 67 year old man on the right arm.  He then pulled the man to the ground. He as able to free himself and scramble to his feet when the dog came charging back at him again.  He shot at the dog in fear of another attack.

He didn’t know his neighbors had a pit bull and was sent to the hospital for treatment of his injuries.

The pit bull was treated at a local animal hospital for a single gunshot wound.

https://www.boston25news.com/news/new-hampshire-man-shoots-neighbor-s-pit-bull-after-he-says-it-attacked/946664338

Belle – Houston, Texas

A Houston pastor Jeff Powers and his wife were in the parsonage when they were awakened by a “loud noise.”  The couple noticed the backyard gate was open and they saw what would turn out to be an assailant in the yard.

The man forced his way into the home.  In fear for their life, both the pastor and his wife fired their weapons multiple times.

The shooting occurred the day before he was to give his farewell sermon at the Methodist church he was serving.  The couple did not attend that service.

The Westminster United Methodist Church stated that Powers and his wife were “mourning the loss of life and cooperating fully with authorities.”  The shooting will be referred to a Harris County grand jury to decide whether charges will be filed.

Paul

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-pastor-wife-shoot-intruder-houston-home-20190507-rou75qejejfq7czkohzwdlpaya-story.html

END DGU’s HERE   = we are already long

Gary – Jonesboro, Georgia

Back to ex-boyfriends behaving badly.

About 6:12 PM, Clayton County Sheriff’s deputies, CCPS and EMS responded to a call for a home invasion.

When they arrived, the woman caller told police that her ex-boyfriend was lying on the floor upstairs.  Officers found the man lying face-down and he was pronounced dead at the scene.

She reported that he “had been sending her text messages throughout the day, threatening to take her life.”

Police reported she was cooperating with law enforcement and was taking to CCPD headquarters for questioning.

https://www.news-daily.com/features/woman-fatally-shoots-ex-boyfriend-during-home-invasion/article_b063afda-6c50-11e9-be9a-4390f4c2a559.html

Paul – Lancaster, California

Sometime after 6 AM, a man entered a home in Lancaster.  He was reported to have entered the home through one of the rear windows and walked up the stairs.

Entering the bedroom, the homeowner was in fear for the safety of his children and himself.  He grabbed a gun and fired one shot, which struck the intruder in the upper torso. This proved fatal for the unwelcome guest.

No members of the family were injured.

It is thought that the intruder had tried to break into other homes in the neighborhood.  Doorbell video shoed him trying to enter a home from the front porch.

https://abc7.com/father-shoots-kills-home-intruder-in-lancaster/5296891/

Belle -Tecumseh, Nebraska

Raymond and Janet Brown had been receiving calls from two former co-workers, who are brothers, for about an hour.  At approximately 10:45 PM, the two brothers, along with their father, showed up at the Brown’s home.

The Browns called 911 and told the three to leave.  All three men forced their way into the home and started fighting with Raymond.  Both Brown and the father were armed at the time.

During the course of the fight, Brown shot both of the brothers.  The father eventually went outside and continued to yell threats at the Browns.

An off-duty Nebraska Department of Correctional Services officer was in the area and responded to the scene.  He assisted in deescalating the situation.

Johnson County Sheriff’s Deputies arrived on scene and arrested the father for making terroristic threats, obstructing a police officer, use of a weapon to commit a felony, 2nd degree assault, criminal mischief, burglary, and trespassing. He was lodged in Johnson County Jail.

The brothers were taking to the local hospital and then airlifted to a larger facility for treatment.

A firearm was recovered at the scene.  The investigation was continuing.

https://www.1011now.com/content/news/Multiple-shooting-victims-after-melee-in-Tecumseh-509796331.html

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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Paul  – 1st up is a short email from Carl

All,

Anyone who is going to rescind their NRA membership because of recent events is making a mistake.  All organizations have rocky times. The NRA is our heavyweight champion in the battle to protect our freedoms, yes that is “freedoms” in the plural.  We also have champions in the form of GOA, 2AF, and our local organizations.

Let’s not “cut off our nose to spite our face”.  Let not your hearts be troubled.

Carl

Paul

Gary

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Gary- Kane 22 also chimed in about the NRA

Thank you so much for having Jeff Knox on to talk about all the shady stuff going on with the NRA and Ackerman Mcqueen. A lot of this stuff came to light a year ago when Pete Brownell quit. Anyone who had any doubt before, should have known at that point the board had zero power to do anything. So I would have to question why anyone would want on the board…are they just looking to get a piece of the pie too???

The lawsuit against AM is just a smoke screen, both sides have been getting rich for a long time. At the same time they trade our 2nd amendment away behind closed doors. Then ask for your money so they can fight to get them back.

My money goes to the GOA, and local state groups.

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Belle – Finally for this show Neil writes in

As far as I know all of our legislators take an oath to protect and defend the constitution. So why when then wright or sponsor bills that infringe on our rights are they not tried for treason, and if convicted, then executed???

Always look forward to the podcast. Thank you all for putting in the time and work that you do!

Neil  

Paul –

Gary-

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob-

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Annette Evans and Alex from Ammo.com) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Belle: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Belle: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.