Episode 481 – News and DGUs


Paul : Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Wednesday, January 30th, 2019, I’m Paul Lathrop

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Supreme Court finally accepting another 2A case

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a DGU over a parking spot… so climb aboard

Grant: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 481 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

John – I had a great time at the SHOT Show and chatted with a lot of people who have been on the show in the past. They ranged from Brandon Combs to Yehuda Remer, Cheryl Todd, and Willes Lee plus everyone in between. The show was so busy that I didn’t even finally see Amy Dillon until Thursday! My roommate for the show was Prof. David Yamane who was there doing research for his book on Gun Culture 2.0. As for the show itself, many said it was characterized more by line extensions than really new stuff and I would agree.


Grant – well busy busy! I just finished the first USCCA class run from ScotShot, their Basic Pistol class. This is, as they say, not your grandfather’s Basic Pistol class. It is very much orientated to the defensive use of handguns rather than the more recreational use supported by the NRA in their basic classes, and the students enjoyed it a lot. I also took Tracy’s comments last week to heart and have inserted an “aim small, miss small” element into my regular training. This week’s episode on that front was a five-pointed star with a 0.75 inch target at each point, shot at five yards, which I managed with both my 365 and my p226. Like we said last week, it’s all about the trigger, and here’s a general question, what regular things to people include in their training?


Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Grant – I want to remind everyone out there that National Train a Teacher day is July 20th this year, anyone in the Chicago/Illinois area can reach out to Gary Daugherty from the show to find out what he is doing, or to me for our offering, or to your local trainer. I’m also pleased to say that our first USCCA Instructor class is full, and that we will be welcoming Klint Macro to lead the class at the beginning of February, with other classes coming up over the summer. You can contact me about all our classes at Grant at scotshot dot com.




Ask listeners to listen to other shows on the network, name at least 2 shows.

Grant – I like “Modern Self Protection” and “Mind4Survival”


2- News

POLITE SOCIETY NEWS, January 28th 2019

Hi everyone. Please remember to send your comments on the news to “onair@politicsandguns.com”




In the matter of Docket number 18-280, New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v the City of New York, The Supreme Court of the United States has decided to hear the case on whether the City of New York can continue with its ban on New Yorkers taking their lawful handguns out of the City.

The case is expected to be heard in October of this year.

Current law is that legal gun owners may not transport their handguns outside of the city, even if the gun is licensed, locked and unloaded. The Association argues that this prevents owners from taking their guns to second homes, hunting trips and firing ranges for self-defense, recreational or competition purposes.

The plaintiffs claim that the ban violates the Second Amendment, the Commerce Clause of the Constitution, and the constitutional right to travel. The Second Circuit Court of Appeals sided with the City, saying the there were seven firing ranges in the city where the guns could be used.

The case is significant in that it is the first 2A case the Court has heard in almost 10 years. It is widely speculated that the acceptance of the case is indicative of the President’s influence on the Court.

The  case has raised great hope that if it succeeds, it will open the way for more open transportation of personal firearms generally.



John –

Gary –




In Illinois Senate Bill SB-107, Senator Julie Morrison has introduced a dramatic gun-ban proposal.

Her Bill will ban all semi-automatic handguns and rifles that are *capable* of accepting a magazine that holds over 10 rounds.

This is much more aggressive than banning the magazines themselves. It would mean that virtually every firearm that accepts a detachable magazine would be banned. So, every AR or AK, every Glock, Sig and HK handgun, every 1911, all would fall under the ban proposed in this new legislation. Every 10/22 rifle also.

The proposed legislation also bans semi-automatic shotguns that can hold 5 rounds.

The Bill would allow grandfathering of existing firearms, with a registration costing $25 per gun.

Some commentators are speculating that this is redundant, because they are anticipating a separate magazine capacity law, that new Governor Pritzker will sign, however we hope that everyone will see the difference.

We expect that this bill, if passed into Law, will be subject to litigation, where the State will doubtless argue that it is not a ban, because existing firearms can be registered (but no new guns will be available).

This sweeping gun-grab comes hard on the heels of a Bill introduced into the IL house, House Bill 0888, which amends the conditions of the “FOID” card to require the State Police to search  a purchasers social media accounts to.

“… determine if there is any information that would disqualify the person from obtaining or require revocation of a currently valid Firearm Owner’s Identification Card…”

Of course that means that FOID card holders need to turn in the names of all such accounts.

Is there no end to how Illinois is taking control of the citizens? How far behind is the Federal House, under Pelosi?


John – HB 888 might better have been numbered 666! The Mass AG is trying to use that same wording “capable” to ban new ARs.

Gary –






Businessman, benefactor, one-time NYC mayor, and likely 2020 presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg came out in favor of more guns on the street recently, but not in the way we normally think of this concept.

No, the man who wants to disarm all of us is now proposing a little private army to patrol Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, where he is a major funding benefactor. He said bluntly that it is “ridiculous” that the University doesn’t have an armed police force.

He said, “When you have a city that has the murder rate that Baltimore has, I think it’s ridiculous to think that they shouldn’t be armed.”, discussing the Hopkins security force.

Bloomberg spoke to reporters after a closed-door meeting with Democrat lawmakers and the state Attorney General. The University is seeking approval from the General Assembly for a private police force to patrol, the campus, the hospital campus and the Peabody Institute.

The proposal has the support of the Senate President. Others are concerned that a private police force won’t be properly accountable to the public.

Previously, the idea of a private place force for Johns Hopkins was rejected following public disagreement. Now, Mr Bloomberg is proposing it again. A group called “Students Against Private Police” – SAPP for short – say this move runs counter to Mr Bloomberg’s well known stance on gun control. However, he says it is “irrational” for the school and hospital not to have armed security.



Gary –




It is interesting how, despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, some lawmakers persist with the idea that schools are saver when those in charge are unable to respond rapidly to an armed attack, such as we have seen in Parkland almost a year ago.

Maryland legislator Cheryl Glenn sponsored House Bill 31. This bill would have allowed the Baltimore city police officers who are on duty at city schools, to be armed while students and staff were present.

The matter came before the school board where it was rejected unanimously, 10-to-zero, after a vigorous debate, with arguments being presented on both sides. Ms Glenn said that as a result, she was going to withdraw the Bill because it would have no chance given the total opposition of the school board, and the Mayor.

Ironically, those same police officers *do* carry their firearms while at the school, but only before and after teaching hours. Baltimore is the only part of Maryland where the schools are patrolled by Police officers. Elsewhere, the duty falls to local sheriff departments, and these officers *are* armed.

Grant –



Gary –




While we often hear about the political activities of the NRA, usually in a bad light from the mainstream media, we hear less about what it does to promote the shooting and outdoor sports at a grass-roots level.

One thing it does do is sponsor the “Great American Outdoor Show” every year in the PA State capital of Harrisburg. This year, the NRA announced $50,000 in grants, in advance of the Show. This brings the total grants to almost $250,000 in the last five years.

This year, grants go to six organizations.

The Susquehanna Township Police Department will get money to purchase on-body cameras for their police officers.

The Pennsylvania American Legion in Wormleysburg will get help to support their State Police Youth Week firearms training course for high school juniors and seniors.

The York Rifle Range Association will get money to supports its youth air rifle program.

The South Mountain YMCA Camps will get important dollars to support archery, air rifle, trap shooting and 22 rifle for children age six to seventeen.

The Pennsylvania Rifle and Pistol association will receive a grant to expand junior shooting programs across the state, and finally,

The Palmyra Sportsmen’s Association will receive a grant to promote national programs in competitive shotgun, in the Harrisburg area

Like any large organization there are things to like and things to dislike about the NRA, but let’s not forget about the good that they do for us, and the next generation.



Gun Quotes

(suggestion by Grant: “I didn’t serve 20 years to come home and have politicians trash the Bill of Rights”, and that’s from retired Air Force Colonel Val Finnel, speaking in Pittsburgh recently.)

More: http://www.catb.org/esr/fortunes/rkba.html


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back.

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Grant  – Sumter, South Carolina

The truth will always come out.

Police were called out to the Manchester Road area recently to investigate a report of shots fired.  They talked to two women who were robbed at gunpoint by a man who pulled up behind their vehicle as they were parked in the driveway of a residence.  He told them to hand over their purses and jewelry.

After complying, but still fearing for her safety, one of the women retrieved a handgun from inside the vehicle and fired in the direction of the robber, who then drove off.

About 30 minutes later, Police went to an area hospital to check on a man who had come in with a gunshot wound.  The man told police that he had been shot in the Manning and Atlantic Avenues area. They investigated and found no evidence that shots had been fired in that area.

They were able to link a vehicle seen in the area of the earlier robbery, and the description of the robber, back to the man being treated.  He was arrested and booked on various charges, after being treated and released by the hospital.


John – Inkster, Michigan

Parking spots are not really to die for.

What started as a dispute over a parking spot ended up with the death of one of two men.  The 34 year old Dearborn, Michigan man got into an argument over a spot with a 25 year old man at an Inkster gas station.  The younger man punched the other man but didn’t knock him down. He then backed off.

The Dearborn man then pulled his gun and chased and confronted the younger man.  He pointed his gun, but the younger man pulled out his own weapon and fired shots at Dearborn man

He remained at the scene and surrendered his firearm to police.  Although he was originally the aggressor in the altercation, he had broken off the engagement and was aggressor no longer.

Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said, “The 25-year-old had the right to use deadly force to defend himself because he had a reasonable belief that imminent death or great bodily harm would occur. For this reason the warrant for his arrest has been denied.”

The incident had been captured on video surveillance.


Gary – Festus, Missouri

Nothing good happens after midnight.

Police were called to a home at 3:45 AM and found couple with their son dead from a gunshot wound.

The father told police that his son has been drinking earlier and he found him on top of his mother with his hands around her neck.  The father hit his son in the back of his head with the butt of a revolver.

The son got off his mother and threw the father across the room.  He made threats to his life. He told him, “Now you have messed up, and advanced towards the older man.

The disparity in age between the 63 year old father and the 29 year old son left the man fearing his son.  He fired several shots.

Police arrested and booked the man on suspicion of murder but released him pending application of warrants.  The mother did have minor injuries.


John – Jefferson County, MO has a bad problem with meth and opioids. I’m wondering if either was involved in this incident.

Paul – Lulling, Louisiana

A man tried to rob a Thrift Village drug store on a Monday at 6PM.  He forced the clerk and pharmacist behind the counter and demanded drugs.

A scuffle started before the POGO practicing pharmacist pulled his weapon and fired at the masked man.  The criminal ran out of the store and went about 100 yards before collapsing behind the store.

He died where he lay.


John – Georgetown, South Carolina

What started with a carjacking, ended with the suspect in the hospital.

Two cars were stolen then one of the carjackers went to a Boost Mobile where he entered the store dressed as a woman and wearing a wig.  When he tried to rob the store at gunpoint, the clerk pulled his own weapon and a shootout broke out between the two. The suspect was shot and fled the scene.

He drove to a Sunoco station where he was picked up by a woman in a car that had  also been carjacked. She drove him to a hospital where his condition was found to be “stable”.

The woman was identified.  Both cars were tracked to their owners,  and carjacking warrants had been obtained for both suspects.


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- Disarming the Defenders- Socialist Politicians Sacrifice our Children in “Gun-Free” Zones

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

As I said in personal news, I attended the SHOT Show. I put up a longer post with my reflections on the show. In essence, there was little really new stuff released and a lot of line extensions. Mossberg and Stoeger introduced handguns for the first time in years and some AR manufacturers are adding bolt action rifles. Ultimately, for me, the SHOT Show is about the people and I was able to catch up with a lot of old friends.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Grant: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Grant: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.