Episode 478 – Karen McDonald and Kat Ainsworth


Grant: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, January 7th, 2019, I’m Grant Gallagher

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on show we will talk with Kat Ainsworth about domestic violence.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a New Hampshire legislator who says “I will not comply!”

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and we’ll hear about a guy in Texas who learned the importance of locking your car doors at all times the hard way.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we go to Broken Arrow, OK, again… so climb aboard.

Rob: strap in

John : and hang on!

Grant:  episode 478 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- Bill Frady and I talked about Self-Defense Gun Stories.  That was on his Lock and Load Radio program. ???and I recorded another Episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories.

John – I spent a good part of the weekend working the Grass Roots North Carolina booth at the Asheville Gun Show. We picked up a few members and it seemed that the attendance was up over the last few times. I’m also starting to get ready for the SHOT Show in less than 2 weeks. Also, this is a last call if there is something new you want me to check out at the SHOT Show. Email me at john @ politics and guns dot com.


Tracy – This past Saturday, I taught a block on Massad Ayoob’s Persuader techniques (Kubotan) at Paul Martin’s annual Preparedness Conference, held at KR Training. Our own Rachel Malone was my assistant. We went over snaps and jabs. The participants used training Kubotans made out of rolled up mouse pads and rubber bands to learn the various techniques we taught. A good time was had by all. Tomorrow night, I’m teaching my monthly class of Handgun Fundamentals. Other than that, I’ve been enjoying working out with my personal trainer two days a week and attending Camp Gladiator boot camp.

Belle- I’m dealing with calling in for jury duty everyday for the month of January. Getting ready for FAS classes to start this weekend. Brought my beloved 1971 Ford Highboy home.

Grant – I didn’t do much this last week other than get the ScotShot website for 2019 refreshed and open for business. There has been a nasty cold passing through the Gallagher household, so we’ve all been affected by that to some degree.


Grant – Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Grant – we have National Train A Teacher Day on July 20th, and USCCA Instructor on Feb 9 & 10. Email me at grant at scotshot dot com for details.

Ask listeners to listen to other shows on the network, name at least 2 shows.


Rob News Intro – welcome to the News segment of PSP please email us with comments and thoughts.. Our first story is from New Hampshire…

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POLITE SOCIETY NEWS, January 07th 2019

Hi everyone. Please remember to send your comments on the news to “onair@politicsandguns.com”




Democrats took control of the state legislature of New Hampshire, traditionally one of the most gun-friendly states in the Union. It’s motto is “Live Free or Die”, after all. Well, as you might expect, the new Democrat administration has set about dismantling that philosophy. They started by banning anyone except law enforcement from being armed in the State House.

State representative John Burt has decided he is not going to comply. He described the rule-change as “anti-gun and anti-Constitution”, saying that he wants to make sure that,  “..every crazy nut out there that loves to go to these gun-free zones and do their killing understand one thing: I, Rep. John Burt of Goffstown, will not be a victim..”

The rest of the State House is pro-gun space, Burt said, and he has even carried his gun into the Governor’s office. He concluded by saying: “It has been proven that gun-free zones have turned into killing zones.”

Guns were allowed until 1971, when a GOP legislator requested a ban. This lasted until 2011, when a GOP law change once again allowed legislators to carry on the House floor. There have been no accidental or negligent discharges, although two firearms have been dropped.

We have seen gun-free-zones being used as killing zones and we are familiar with how initiatives such as SAFER are working to remove them. So, what do you think? Is Representative Burt correct or just a sore loser? What happens in your state? Write to us at: onair at politics and guns dot com.



Rob- elections have consequences.

John- I’m reminded

Grant- there are enough gun owners in NJ to get their way, too. Here also, they tend not to turn up.




Virginia Governor Ralph Northam – Democrat – proposed gun confiscation orders, criminalization of private gun sales, an “assault weapons” ban and other “common sense” gun controls, such as a red-flag law and a one-gun-a-month law.

As usual, this Bloomberg shill said that these proposed controls would “reduce gun violence’. Experience taught us that this is simply a convenient lie to continue the Democrat program of civilian disarmament. The Governor hand-waved about “senseless gun violence” without distinguishing between what criminals did with their guns and what law abiding gun owners did with theirs. The proposed measures have proven ineffective in many other states.

For example, California has prohibited private gun sales since the 1990s, but has experienced many high-profile attacks since then. Similarly, the aggressive assault weapon ban in Maryland hasn’t made Baltimore any safer. Instead, violent crime rose in both states.

Ignoring the evidence, this Democrat Governor tweeted: “This morning I announced a broad package of reasonable legislation to prevent gun violence and improve Virginia’s public safety.”

Do you live in Virginia? what do you think? Do you live in Maryland or California or New York or Connecticut? How have new anti-gun laws affected crime? Write and tell us at: onair at politics and guns dot com.





John – Joe Morrissey used to be a member of the VA House of Delegates. He was virulently anti-gun but that didn’t stop him from waving around an AK on the House floor during a gun control debate.

Grant – so thinking about Red Flag laws, what do we think of Marco Rubio introducing a red flag bill to Congress?

Rob- Rubio is trolling for bloomberg dollars in purple Florida and low information voters?




We all remember how a House tradition – the annual baseball game – was used by a Democrat activist to shoot and severely wound multiple individuals including Republican Steve Scalise over a year ago.

Well it appears that the same sentiment is still alive and dangerous on the Socialist Left.

Scalise and a Democrat activist were having a public debate on Twitter about Democrat proposals for increasing income and other taxes. You might say that this is a good use of social media – open exchange or ideas and disagreements in full public view.

However, when some on the left side started talking about shooting him, Scalise pulled the plug.

They tweeted: “snipe his ass,”, “she’s got better aim than our guy, that’s for sure,” and “Kick his cane,”

Scalise closed the discussion, saying: “Happy to continue this debate on the Floor of the People’s House, but it’s clearly not productive to engage here with some of your radical followers.”

Once again, we are seeing that it’s the Left who are flirting with aggression and violence… what Michael Bane calls “chumming for monsters”.

Can you tell us about similar incidences?



Rob- What would the media say if we called for murder.





Well the 116th Congress opened last week and two pro-gun bills were introduced. Both of these are old friends. One passed the House but was never called for a vote in the Senate. One got out of Committee but not out of Congress.

North Carolina representative John Hudson refiled his National Reciprocity Bill, that would allow legally armed citizens to avoid the minefield of different CCW regulations and carry anywhere (more or less) in these United States. We all know examples of people who have a home-state carry permit becoming illegal to carry when they arrive in a less friendly state – this legislation is designed to overcome this risk.

Last session, Hudson’s Bill passed the House with a 231 – 198 vote, but it’s sister Bill was never presented for. vote in the Senate, and the opportunity died. It will be interesting to see whether Speaker Pelosi will bring Hudson’s Bill to the House floor for a vote.

Also being reintroduced this session is the Hearing Protection Act. South Carolina representative Jeff Duncan moved the Bill that will remove Suppressors from National Firearms Act regulation. He wants to make suppressor use commonplace, much as it is in other countries, in order to protect hearing.

The Bill would be retroactive, meaning that the one-and-a-half million suppressors already in use would be deleted from ATF records. The consequence would that suppressors would be “downgraded” and be treated as regular firearms – anyone who could legally own a firearm could buy or sell a suppressor through an FFL.

Last year, the HPA was rolled into a larger package or pro-hunting legislation called the SHARE Act, which Speaker Ryan never brought for a vote.

Again, it will be interesting to see whether Speaker Pelosi brings this Bill forward.




Gun Quotes

“..states everywhere are highly intent on outlawing or at least controlling even the mere possession of arms by private citizens—and most states have indeed succeeded in this task—as an armed man is clearly more of a threat to any aggressor than an unarmed man. It bears much less risk for the state to keep things peaceful while its own aggression continues, if rifles with which the taxman could be shot are out of the reach of everyone except the taxman himself!”

Hans-Hermann Hoppe, A Theory of Socialism and Capitalism: Economics, Politics, and Ethics

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Belle- Huntsville, Alabama
Some things in this world are a given.  Nothing good happens after midnight. Criminals will get guns no matter what laws you pass.

A fight broke out at Club 3208 in Huntsville on Monday morning.  The fight resulted in the ejection from the club of the convicted felon.  The security team herded the suspect out of the club and kept the patrons inside in case things escalated.

The felon did go to his car but he did not get in and drive away.  Instead, he produced an AK-pattern rifle and started firing at the club.

He started walking back toward the club and firing shots, so security officer Latoya made the choice to stop him.  As he came toward the door, she moved behind a vehicle parked in a handicap spot near the door to the club. She used the vehicle for cover and concealment and when she had a chance she shot the armed felon.  One of her shots hit him in the leg.

The security officer then rendered aid once the area was deemed safe.  The man was transported to the hospital by friends where the police caught up with him.  He was arrested after being patched up and faces numerous charges.



John – What I love about this story is that the security guard was not some beefy guy but an armed woman.

Grant – didn’t we recently run an interview with Mas Ayoob and his “Designated Defender” concept? This is another example.



Tracy –Midlothian, Texas
Like many husbands, the man really didn’t want to wander around a grocery store with his wife at 7 pm.  He chose instead to wait in the car.

As he waited in the car, he was approached by a 21 year-old man and a 17 year-old girl.

“What’s up?” the man asked as he slid into the passenger seat of the vehicle.  The woman also got in to the rear seat behind the driver.

The victim realized he did not know the pair almost immediately.  The man in the passenger seat reached under his shirt and indicated he was armed and told him, “The next thing you say, you’re going to heaven.”

Unfazed by the threat, the victim reached into a bag next himself and pulled out his own .40-caliber handgun.  He pointed the gun at the would be robber and said, “Let’s go!”

The pair quickly exited the vehicle and walked toward the store.  The victim tried to stop them from entering the store but was not successful.

By the time police arrived, the suspects were identified exiting the store.  They tried to walk away from the officers but the officers grabbed them by the arms and took them into custody.





Warren, Ohio

Kenneth York, his wife and their dog woke up to noises outside their home at 1 AM.

York got up and armed himself with a handgun he kept close by, and headed toward the noises at the back door.  Although it was dark, he could see a large man breaking a glass panel in the door. It appeared he was using a shovel.

York asked, “What the hell are you doing? Get out of here.”

He came in anyway.  York backed up behind the refrigerator in the other room and stuck his gun out and told the intruder that he has a gun and he would shoot him.

The intruder came at him.  He told him to stop and backed up a little.  As the aggressor came through the doorway, he shot him.

If that was not enough, the intruder asked, “What size a gun is that?” to which York replied, “big enough to kill you.”  And with that, he came at him again.

And then the effects of being shot must have caught up with the burglar and he collapsed.

He had hit the man in the upper arm even though we was aiming at center mass.  He held him at gunpoint while his wife called 911. Warren police arrived quickly and took the suspect to the hospital then to the county jail at about 4 AM.

Capt. Robert Massucci, chief of detectives for the Warren Police Department, said Kenneth York fired “just out of fear of this guy,” who was “twice [his] size.” Detectives discussed the matter with the city prosecutor’s office and determined York was “justified in what he did,” Massucci said.

The suspect has a lengthy record and was booked for aggravated burglary in this case.


Gary- Broken Arrow, Oklahoma

It appears that Broken Arrow is not the place to live if you don’t want to have to deal with crime.  In this case, it is not clear if the intended victim and the suspects were known to each other. WE know it is unusual for 5 people to show up to burglarize a house during the night.

The homeowner was armed when they entered the home at 4:45 AM.  He fired 5 or 6 times and hit one of the suspects several times.  He was at the door when police arrived and moved to the street where lifesaving procedures were performed.

The other men with the injured suspect were not hit nor were the houses nearby.

Police waited several hours for a search warrant before they went into the home to search for evidence of what the intruders were after.  The homeowner was questioned at police headquarters and returned home where he was questioned further.



Yuma County, Arizona

The Sheriff’s Office responded to a 911 call at 1:38 AM recenty and discovered 4 individuals.  Those four were all shot after they broke into a home.

They woke the home’s occupants and one of them was armed.  The occupants fired several times and hit all four of the intruders. Three of the suspects were rushed to the hospital where one was pronounced dead.  The injuries of the fourth were not clear.

The case was still being investigated.


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Listener e-mail discussion


Rob- this is from Roger – Hi Fellow Instructors on The Polite Society Podcast,

I’m a self-defense instructor in the Lancaster Pennsylvania area. Please announce a class I’m having called “Protecting Our Houses of Worship”.

I give this two and a half hour course, free of charge, to members of security/safety teams for churches, synagogues and mosques in my area. This course emphasizes the specific knowledge and tactics required for that situation and goes beyond my concealed carry classes.

Thank you and keep up the good work.

Roger E. Temple-  Sheepdog Firearm Training LLC

~_John – I’m reminded of an atrocity in his area a few years ago when an Amish school ~_

John – This email is from Kirk – In reference to Episode 476, you gentlemen discussed the DGU case of Mr. Crepeau out of Missoula.  While this was a successful DGU, you gentlemen became quite animated. Paul sounded angry at one point, followed by what seemed to be mocking by the co-hosts when Mr.

Crepeau is quoted as saying, “training, training, training.”

I have been a martial arts and self-defense instructor for decades.

I think it is possible that you gentlemen might have made unwarranted assumptions about Mr. Crepeau training.  Beyond the “Israeli Method,” did you know that it was standard doctrine in the U.S. military for decades that Officers carrying semi-automatic pistols should carry with the chamber empty? A better discussion could have been from the perspective of “while this worked, how can we improve the strategy and technique?”

To satisfy my own curiously, I looked up the original story and, as it turns out, Mr. Crepeau is a former competitive shooter.   This is indicative of some sort of training,

Just because most of our current standards are arguably “better” does not mean that what came before is therefore “bad.” If any of this comes across as impolite, I apologize.  It is not my intention. Please, going forward, be careful about making assumptions and how commentary sounds.

Thank you for your time,


Gary- Hi Kirk. Thank you for writing in. I’m going to explain what I want our listeners to do if they were in that situation. It would take extraordinary circumstance to recommend clearing your own house without a live round in the chamber. Time is short and Mr. Crepeau’s character is not being questioned. I will recommend what I understand to be best practice.


Rob- Was Mr Crepeau lucky or was he good?

Grant – he was “crepeau” out of luck

Rob- Grant, you made me laugh.


John – This email is from Jeremy – Listening to your recent show, I want to call you all out to task. Are we so afraid of the Federal government that we should just roll over? We need to get out of our comfort zone and stand for our Rights EVEN in the face of government prosecution. Our American ancestors gave their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor. We need to do better and come together with a collective NO and tell the government that they have no authority to enact any kind of gun legislation or regulation.

Constitutional advocate and Liberty lobbyist KrisAnne Hall has written an open letter for anyone to use to send to every Senator or Representative, it doesn’t matter if they are from your State or not as their vote affects you as well. Her letter can be found here: http://krisannehall.com/index.php/resources/articles/218-open-letter-re-gun-legislation

I would implore you all and your other listeners to do this to stand up for everyone’s Rights.

Jeremy in Iowa

Rob- I have to call my representatives.

Grant- yes, Jeremy


Grant: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

John- My latest posts outline the new gun bills that have been or will be introduced in Congress. By the time this podcast is aired, a universal background check bill in honor of Gabby Giffords will be introduced. Mind you the killer passed a NICS check. There are also pro-gun rights bills but let’s get real – they are going nowhere. Expect more to come. I also have a post up about education versus training. It was spurred by an op-ed by Congresswoman Virginia Foxx. The key phrase is that education is for humans and training is for animals. We need to stop saying that a person needs “more training” with firearms and say they need more education. Read the post and let me know what you think.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

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Grant: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Kat Ainsworth for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Paul and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Belle: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.