Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Tuesday, January 1st, 2019, I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Brandon Combs about bringing the bump stock ban into court, and to Kat Ainsworth to talk some more about domestic abuse.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about police in Rio de Janeiro resorting to snipers, so climb aboard.
Rob: strap in.
Paul, and hang on! Episode 477 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Personal news from each participant
Rob- I carried and dry practiced, and took relatives to the range. I’m may have found a producer for the Spanish edition of self-defense gun stories. I’m looking for a host and spanish speaking instructors.
John- In our last show I said I planned to deer hunt with my AR. After checking, I didn’t have hunting ammo and couldn’t get it in time so I went real old school with my Savage Model 1920 bolt action in .300 Savage. I did get in three days of deer hunting but the deer were elsewhere. That’s why it’s called hunting and not shooting. If you are frugal, now is the time to start looking for sales on hunting accessories with big game seasons winding down. I got some good buys today. I would also like to add my condolences to Amy on the passing of her father this past week.
Grant- Well, Och-Aye the noo. I’m sorry I’m not with you tonight, but I’ll be with you in spirit – a 12 year old single malt from Islay (“eye-la”) called “Machir”, from the Kilchoman (“kill-KO-man”) distillery, to be precise. In Scotland we call the last day of the year “Hogmanay” (pronounced “hUG-manay”) and there are a number of traditions that take place after “The Bells”. Tradition holds that the New Year hasn’t arrived until someone has come to visit. This person is your “First Foot” and brings gifts such as a lump of coal and a kind of cake called “Black Bun”. There’s a traditional greeting and hope for a good new year, which is “lang may yer lum reek”, which translates to “may your chimney always be warm”, more or less. So – Happy New Year to all our podcasters and podcast listeners – it’s going to be cold and clear here tonight, as we say, “It’ll be a braw, bricht, moonlicht nicht the nicht”. Yo-Ho-Ho! and may 2019 bring us all peace and happiness.
Paul/Susan Got home after several delays and somehow caught the crud.
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POLITE SOCIETY NEWS, December 31st 2018
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News Segment One
I think this article of Rob’s should be discussed:
It may be that you use this good news as the only news!
JOHN STORY ONE
POLICE TEAM WITH SNIPERS IN RIO DE JANEIRO AGGRESSIVE POLICING TRIAL
It seems that Wilson Witzel, the new Governor of Rio de Janeiro, has decided to take a firm hand with criminals in Brazil’s postcard city. He’s authorized teams of marksmen to cover the city with a “License to Kill”.
Tired of the widespread use of firearms by the city’s criminals, the Governor has permitted as many as 120 marksmen to accompany police on incursions into the crime and violence ridden slums.
The marksmen will work in pairs, one to shoot, and one to spot, monitor conditions and videotape. Governor Witzel is a Brazilian Federal judge and a former marine with the Brazilian military. He told reporters that, “the protocol will be to immediately neutralize anyone found on the streets with a rifle – they aren’t worried about other people’s live and this is a grave problem all across Brazil”. There were five thousand, three hundred forty-six murders in Rio in 2017.
The policy is part of an election campaign promise from President-elect Jair Bolsonaro, that there would be a “brutal” crackdown on the criminals who make life so harrowing for everyday Brazilians. This trial initiative in Rio will be the first test of the new President’s policy of “maximum force.”
Groups of twenty police will begin a month-long training in long range marksmanship. Once they are proficient at six hundred meters, they will be sent into action. Witzel said that the filming is essential to prove that those targeted “deserve killing”. He added that criminals “do not need to be actively shooting”, in order to be targeted by the new marksman teams.
Wiztel has also created a security council that answers directly to him. He envisions surveillance using thirty thousand cameras around the city and he has been studying advanced facial recognition software, and the use of drones.
So – do you think your town needs shoot-on-sight policing? Write and tell us at onair at politics and guns dot com
Paul – While this is not in the United States, I am VERY concerned about the lack of due process
Rob- Stop a crime in progress.
John – The new president of Brazil is saying he wants to liberalize the gun laws to allow ordinary citizens easier access
Rob- CDC DATA BEING MISREPORTED AGAIN
This story comes to us from the National Shooting Sports Foundation. We have heard recently, that newly published data from the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) show that firearm-related deaths are at record highs. This is a great headline for the gun-grabbers, but as you might expect, it isn’t the whole story – far from it.
CDC very helpfully breaks down the overall data into: homicides, suicides and unintentional fatalities. Now, the gun-grabber headlines begin to look a little fuzzy. For example, CDC’s data show that the number of fatal firearms related accidents is only 66% of what it was twenty years ago.
Also, gun grabbers were elated to tell us that the number of all firearms deaths exceeded those involving cars. This is true of you only consider the raw numbers. However when you consider the number of car deaths as a proportion of the number of cars, cars are involved in way more deaths – 117 deaths per 1M US population. Firearms accidents resulted in only 1 death per million population, down from 3 per million in 1999. And of course, we all know that violent crime generally continues to fall, even though firearms ownership continues to rise… or, perhaps that *because*…
We recently heard Rob Pincus remind us that the sad truth is that around two-thirds of firearms deaths occur in suicide completions, and we can all do more to be attuned to the signs of desperation in our friends and family members.
As part of this effort, NSSF and other parts of the firearms industry is working with over fifteen thousand law enforcement agencies across the country. This includes efforts such as “Project Childsafe”. They have also distributed more than thirty-seven million firearms locks throughout the country.
NSSF has also partnered with the American Foundation for Suicide Prevention to help raise awareness, to give insight to signs someone may be at risk, and provide options for safe firearms storage.
So, the next time you see a dramatic click-bait headline, take a moment and think about what message the writers want you to believe. Perhaps go to the source and take a look at it, and then email us at: onair at politics and guns dot com to tell us what you think.
John – It reminds me of a story in Bloomberg’s The Trace. They have a map where you can find all violent firearms uses and homicides in a 5 mile radius from a location. I tried it around my house. There were 3 homicides in the last 5 years. So,.. What isn’t said that 2 out of 3 of these were police involved shootings.
John- OHIO OVERTURNS GOVERNOR VETO AND PASSES “STAND YOUR GROUND” LAW
In what is considered an historic action, but houses of the Ohio General Assembly has overturned Governor Kasich’s veto of House Bill 228. The Bill was originally vetoed by Governor Kaisich because it included so-called “stand-your-ground” protections for concealed carriers in the Buckeye State, and also failed to contain a red-flag law.
The legislators brought the rejection to the floor of both houses, where it passed bigly – in the house by 67-to-22 and in the same by 21-to-11. The Governor could not stop the legislators from executing the will of the people of Ohio.
The bill contains many improvements for Ohio’s four million gun owners, and here are the highlights:
* Makes gun owners innocent until proven guilty in self-defense shootings – previously, you would have had to prove that you were innocent.
* Strengthens the State’s preemption laws to make it more difficult for cities and other districts to create their one gun laws.
* Makes the Mossberg “Shockwave” and similar self-defense firearms legal
Provides greater facility for the authorities to prosecute those who make so-called ‘straw” purchases.
* Expands firearm access for off-duty police officers.
Buckeye Firearms noted that many legislators and their staff put in extra work to make this happen and thanked them. This will be Governor Kaisich’s last term.
Paul – It’s a GREAT bit of news.
Rob- LONG ISLAND HITS KIDS WITH TOY GUN BUY-BACK
For the gun grabbers, Christmas isn’t so much about the season of goodwill to all, but just about another opportunity. This time they’ve decided to invite kids with toy guns to swap them for something “appropriate”.
On December 13th, in the middle of prime “Yo-Ho-HO” season, the village of Hempstead hosted the Long Island Toy Gun Exchange Program. Each child received one politically correct toy for each water pistol, nerf gun or other toy gun they turned in.
The toys for the turn in were supplied by local businessman Sam Acosta, who made it clear that it was an intention to turn children away from the firearms culture. HE said: “It has to start at a young age, If we can get them to say, ‘It’s not cool to carry these toy guns,’ then maybe when they get older, they won’t ever carry a real gun.” He didn’t distinguish legal and illegal gun use in his comments.
This is the third toy-gun turn-in hosted by Hempstead, and the message about indoctrinating children has remained the same: guns are bad – all guns are bad”. Over the years many things have been used to bribe kids out of their toy guns – even slices of pizza.
SO – is hot harmful for children to act out aggression? Does it lead to real aggression? Do toy guns have a useful role in preparing children to handle real firearms later in life? How did *you* introduce your children to guns? Write to us with your opinions at onair at politics and guns dot com
Paul – I played a LOT with guns as a child. Including a pellet rifle at about age 5.
Rob- I want children to play with guns..and we play with our children. Even a finger gun. Teach our children firearms safety before they have a gun.
John- Gun Quotes
We must be ready to dare all for our country. For history does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid. We must acquire proficiency in defense and display stamina in purpose. We must be willing, individually and as a Nation, to accept whatever sacrifices may be required of us. A people that values its privileges above its principles soon loses both.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Brandon Combs.
3- Interview 1 Brandon Combs
4- Interview 2 Kat Ainsworth Segment 3 (pre recorded)
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John – Reidsville, North Carolina
Nothing good happens between midnight and 4 AM usually. At 2:15 AM on Christmas morning, two men dressed in all black clothing and wearing masks and gloves walked into a Stop and Shop Convenience Store in Reidsville, North Carolina.
The men showed a handgun to the cashier and then held cashier and two other people in the store at gunpoint while they proceeded to rob the store.
Fortunately, one of the customers was armed at the time.
At his earliest opportunity, he pulled his firearm and shot at the two robbers.
The robbers left the store and got in a vehicle and left headed east on Highway 158. There was a getaway driver in the vehicle at the time.
The two robbers have been identified and are being sought. Police believed they had been wounded by the customer but had not shown up at any local hospital.
Rob- Thank you for thinking about this with us.
Paul- Good job on the part of the customer for waiting for an opportunity to draw.
Rob- Antioch, Tennessee
When an 18 year old man showed up at the home of his girlfriend or ex-girlfriend, it was not a friendly visit. He kicked his way in and threatened the girl’s mother. She or the man’s child with him were there at the time.
The girl’s mother told him to leave and began putting his belongings which had been stored at the home on the front porch. During the commotion, the girl’s brothers came up from a downstairs den and confronted the man.
The intruder punched one of the brothers and then walked to his car, telling them he “had something for them.”
They were concerned that he was going to arm himself.
When he returned to the porch, one of the brothers shot him in the torso. The intruder went back to his car where he was found by responding officers. He died there.
The two brothers left the home but soon returned and surrendered the gun to officers. No gun was found in the vehicle or on the intruder.
The investigation was ongoing and will turned over to the District Attorney’s office to determine if charges will be filed.
This suspect was found in the gun memorial site.
John- Never leave the scene. It automatically makes your behavior look suspicious.
Paul- This MAY have been a good shoot, but leaving the scene creates a HUGE amount of suspicion
Rob- Call the police as you go get your gun.
John- New Orleans, Louisiana
The robber walked into a New Orleans Auto Zone with a gun at 6 PM on the Friday before Christmas and yelled, “Open up the register or I’mma kill you!”
The man received $886 from the register and started to leave. The manager of the store was also armed and fired about seven rounds at him. The robber was hit and managed to make it to a local motel parking lot before collapsing. Police located him there and transported him to University Medical Center where he was treated and will survive.
The glass front door and a window were shattered from the apparent bullet holes. There were three evidence cones outside the store and one inside the store.
His bail was set at $100,000 and he was appointed a public defender. The store manager had not been charged.
Paul – Of course there are exceptions, but NEVER shoot at a fleeing felon.
Rob- South Pasadena, California
Two men walked into Vana Watch and Jewelry and loitered around the store for a few minutes. The business owner saw the men on the security monitor and came out of the back to the floor where is nephew was working.
The two scuffled with the owner and attempted to stab him before another employee pointed a gun at the men. The two fled.
Rob- The nephew had the gun. He pointed it the scrum as the robbers wrestled with his uncle. I wish he had more training.
Paul- Never point a gun at anything you are not willing to kill or destroy
John- Lawrence, Indiana
A man was sitting in his car in a shopping center parking lot when another man got in and showed him a gun. He demanded money. The victim told the robber he had no cash so the robber instructed him to drive to a Chase Bank branch in the same parking lot.
At the time, there was an armored truck stocking the branch’s ATMs so the victim attempted to steer towards it hoping for some help. When the robber told him to avoid the truck, a fight broke out.
The victim grabbed his gun and they started fighting in the vehicle at close quarters over the gun.
During the struggle over the gun, the car crashed into a nearby fence and both men exited the car.
Unknown to the robbery suspect, he was not the only one armed. The victim also had a firearm and an exchange to gunfire took place.
The suspect was struck twice. The intended victim was also shot but is now home recovering.
At the time of the gunfight, Lawrence Police officers were down the street and responded to the sound of the shooting.
“They hear the gunfire and immediately respond, and they’re able to stabilize the situation and make an almost immediate apprehension of the suspect,” Deputy Chief Gary Woodruff said.
The robber now faces charges including armed robbery, aggravated battery and criminal confinement. He also had an arrest warrant for a previous arrest from an unrelated robbery. He was in serious but stable condition.
Paul – Gary would remind everyone that you can program your car to not unlock when you put your car in park.
Rob- Local PD with elevated tower in the parking lot, and extra deputies in the mall.
John- Kinda like a deer stand for criminals.
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RECIPE – TRADITIONAL SCOTTISH BLACK BUN
(nb – the amount of brandy can be substituted by whisky – the volume can be doubled or tripled. A tradition might include wrapping several little coins in greaseproof paper and distributing them in the mix in order to provide little charms for the year).
Listener e-mail discussion
Rob- Hello crew,
I’m invoking the NRR (no recipe rule). Our mag ban case has now been advanced to an En Banc hearing at the 3rd circus court. This will be the last stop before the SCOTUS. Sorry to hear about the accident Paul. I too am a driver. I run a dash cam all the time. It is a must. Lastly, Self Defense Gun Stories is one of the network podcasts that I listen to regularly. Hope all have had a Merry Christmas. Happy new year!
South Jersey Shooter
John- Clayton writes and liked our comments on the DGU where an armed woman with her carry license stopped an escaped convict a few feet from her bedroom door.
Quote-I would like to name Rob MVP of episode 474. When he jumped on the DGU and said the defender didn’t need a CCW to legally defend her home, but that her training was critically important. That shut down any stray thoughts a listener might have about people skipping out on training! Her mindset and weapon handling skills are likely the only reason she survived that escaped prison inmate’s home invasion attack.
Great discussion everyone, thanks for everything you do and an extra thanks to whomever took over the show when Paul and Susan were away. I much prefer a smaller crew to an absent show!
Carry on, Clayton
Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob- I wrote this on Christmas eve. We celebrate that a saviour was born who would die to save us. That is an inspiring message. We are called upon to be good. We are supposed to face evil without becoming an evil person ourselves. Many people do that in today in visible and difficult ways. It is our duty to protect the people we love until help arrives..and to thank the people who help us.
These good men and women remind me of my many blessings.
Our listeners are one of my blessings. Thank you for all you do. You are not alone. Stay safe in body and spirit until help arrives.
John – Since our last show, there have been three more lawsuits filed against the bump stock ban. GOA filed theirs in Michigan, journalist David Codrea filed one in DC, and the Firearms Policy Coalition filed one challenging the ability of purported Acting AG Matthew Whitaker to even sign the rule. Three of the lawsuits are now attacking the ban based upon the merits while the FPC lawsuit is taking an interesting tack by attacking it on procedural issues. This last suit has the potential to be resolved the quickest and may end up in the Supreme Court.
That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.
Paul – John, I noticed a post on your blog about the annual possum drop, were you able to attend that North Carolina tradition?
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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,
Rob: Until the next time…
Paul: stay safe,
Rob : be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.