Episode 460 – No interviews but lots of news and DGUs


Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, August 24th, 2018, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will report on the growing number of concealed carry permit holders across the USA.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Louisiana fighting back against anti-2a banks.

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg and we’ll talk about how a lady from Portland, Oregon, doesn’t find meth attractive.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and we’ll talk about a legal victory for the Second Amendment Foundation.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs an armed citizen helps police… so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 460 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I was on Bill Frady’s Lock and Load Radio program. I recorded another Episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories with Ben Branam. Dialed up my exercise program, but not as good as Tracy’s. Carried every day and did some dry practice.

John – In our last podcast, I said I had been prepping an area for a food plot for deer and cutting brush on some land my wife inherited. I’ll be planting seed this weekend and hopefully the deer will like it. My trail cam had some interesting  videos. I caught a couple of does and a fawn in one video and another has a raccoon in it. I still haven’t seen any bucks. Still, I know the land has critters on it and that makes me hopeful.

Rob- what do you plant to attract deer?


Tracy – I celebrated my 50th birthday last Wednesday. Part of the celebrations included a birthday supper at a local mom-and-pop Italian restaurant, where my good friend and Polite Society Podcast co-host, Rachel Malone, joined my husband and I along with two other friends. My parents gave me a new 1911. It’s an STI Tactical 5.0 in 9mm with a bull barrel. I’ve stayed busy teaching private lessons and trying to stay cool as Texas continues with daily 100+ degree temperatures.

Rachel – I’m working to schedule legislative trainings around Texas to build the army of activists. If you’re in Texas, please check out my facebook events to see if one is near you! I’ll be hitting every corner – north, south, east, and west. I also did a fun range workout the other day. I sprinted 80 yards, did 5 burpees, sprinted 80 yards, and shot at 200 yards — 2 rounds each standing, seated, prone, seated standing. After 6 rounds of that, carrying my run n gun pack and all my mags….let’s just say I’m pretty sore today.

 Paul – I could

Grant – I’m delighted to be here – thanks all. I recently certified as a USCCA instructor, so I’ve been preparing the material I need to teach these classes – very different from the NRA ones. We also have a family of deer that hang out in the yard, and they have been helpfully pruning the sweet potato vines, so… all good there!


Promo about upcoming training classes here.

TRACY – KR Training has some terrific training opportunities coming up. Karl Rehn and Richard Worthey will be teaching a School Safety Active Shooter Class September 29-30 in Orange, Texas. Tom Givens will be back at KR Training October 6th and 7th for his combative pistol/dynamic pistol marksmanship 2 class, and Karl will be teaching Force-on-Force Instructor and Force-on-Force Scenarios October 12th, 13th, and 14th at his A-Zone Range. There will be low-light level 1 and 2 classes October 13th and 14th. Please visit www.krtraining.com for more information and to register for these great classes. Also, be sure to sign up for the monthly newsletter to get the inside scoop on the latest classes and national trainers who are coming in to teach at Karl’s range.

GRANT will be running a USCCA Instructor workshop, hosting USCCA Training Counselor Klint Macro, on December 8th and 9th. Details are on the ScotShot website. The class is limited to ten Instructor candidates, so get your skates on! ScotShot is also running an NRA Pistol Instructor class thru the fall. Contact grant at scotshot dot com for details.

John patches? Yes

We still have PSP patches. I will bringing them with me to GRPC so if you are attending I will have them for sale there. Price is $10 for 1 or $18 for two. If not at GRPC, you can send money by PayPal at john@politicsandguns.com.

Ask listeners to listen to other shows on the network, name at least 2 shows.


2- News


Listeners – remember to send your comments on the news to “onair@politicsandguns.com”


Listeners, you’ve heard us commenting on how the Big Banks and others have been using their financial muscle to work against legal firearms-related businesses. Sometimes it’s drying up their credit card transactions and sometimes it’s denying credit, and sometimes it’s just… thanks, we don’t want your business anymore. This is just another way that the left is working to shut down your access to your second amendment rights.

Well now, the State of Louisiana has struck back.

Citigroup and Bank of America withhold financing from firearms retailers and manufacturers who sold guns legally to adults under 21. In doing this, they were using their commercial power to make and extend a social engineering policy, designed to restrict rights under the second amendment.

Bank of America is trying to end relationships with customers who they say “make military weapons for civilians”, while Citigroup demand that their customers stop selling “high capacity” magazines, or rifles and shotguns to 18-20 year olds.

The banks had stipulated that to get financing, businesses had to follow their gun-related regulations.

When Louisiana went looking for underwriters for a six-hundred-million-dollar infrastructure project, these two banks applied. However, Attorney General Jeff Landry chose to deny their application because he determined that these banks were “ trying to become the social police.”

Landry’s Office put out a statement saying that Louisiana was not going to do business with corporations that infringe or restrict its citizens’ right to keep and bear arms. The office noted that the banks were not restricting financing to car manufacturers or Pharma companies, whose products kill three times more and five times more people a year than do firearms.

He concluded with “this is an infiltration of the left into boardrooms… in Louisiana, we’re just not going to stand for that.”

Listeners, what do you think? Should banks be neutral or can they choose to target individual rights as they choose?



Rob- Several retailers were sued by the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries for refusing to sell guns to people under 21. https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-stores-refuse-sell-guns-age/

Paul – I want to encourage everyone to do the same to these banks that they are doing to firearms companies. Refuse to give them your business.

John – It is not just banks that are trying to suppress the Second Amendment.

Foursquare, Intuit, shopify. McMillan opened a credit agency.



Listeners, we again urge you to reach out and support the work of Dr John Lott and his Crime Prevention Research Center. It’s one of the few sources of factual information on the ownership and defensive use of firearms by everyday Americans.

In its latest report, Dr Lott’s CPRC shows that the number of Citizens holding concealed firearms permits stands at a whopping 17.25 Million – up almost three times over a 10-year period. Since the 2016 election, almost a million people have obtained their permits.

In fact, almost 7.5% of US adults have permits, and in fifteen states, it’s over 10%. Alabama is highest with 22%, and Indiana is next, with 17%. Four states – Florida, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Texas have over a million permit holders. Fourteen states have constitutional carry.

Permit holding amongst women and minorities grew at rates that outstripped that amongst white males, which is great news. Women in particular are taking to concealed carry, at over twice the rate of men, while the number of Black and Asian permit holders grew over 20% faster.

Most interestingly, CCW holders are very law abiding; in Florida and Texas, permit holders are convicted of felonies and misdemeanors at one sixth the rate of regular police officers.

Listeners, what are your experiences? Did you recently get your permit? Email us to tell your story!

Paul – A





Last week, the intrepid Alan Gottlieb and the 2nd Amendment Foundation dealt the anti-gunners a black eye on your behalf, working alongside the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action.

The anti-gunners were trying to put a peoples’ initiative on the ballot for the upcoming November election. It contained multiple, terrible changes to existing firearm law in Washington State. However, starkly ignoring the law, those who put forward the petition did not clearly show to those who signed the petition the proposed changes to existing law.

Gottlieb sued, and won, on the basis that Washington State election law was being trampled. They paid people nine dollars to sign the petition – a true sign of conscience we’re sure you’ll agree – however, local billionaires could not buy the court.

The petitioners, he said, “acted totally irresponsible in circulating this initiative to the voters and it not only cost them millions of wasted dollars but their credibility as well.”

Y’all, they ARE coming for your guns, and they have very deep pockets. Pay attention to what is happening in your local politics.

John – I’m really glad to see the NRA and SAF actually work hand in hand in Washington State. They have two other lawsuits together against the cities of Seattle and Edmonds for violating state preemption.

Paul – I am thinking that there was a lawsuit with GOA as well.





Listeners. You own and use and train with firearms for sport, self-defense and a variety of reasons. Someone, somewhere, wants to tax that. Perhaps to make it more difficult for you to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights, or perhaps, pragmatically, just to shake down people having fun, in order to fund the left’s agenda.

Well, now, Cook County has scored a victory in its quest to make money from legal gun owners.

They had established a tax of  $25 per gun and 5¢ per round. A suit brought by various 2nd Amendment supporters was just dismissed by the Cook County Circuit Court.  The court commented that “.. the tax is a valid exercise of Cook County’s home rule power to tax”

The Court’s decision was aggressive, stating that  there was no evidence that the tax would prevent ownership or possession of firearms, and the the tax did not violate the Second Amendment.

Firearms retailers and others said the the outcome was not unexpected, and that they would appeal.



Rob- Can we tax politicians by the word, or by the lie?

it is only a tax..said a SCOTUS judge.

Paul – SAF filing a suit in 5-4-3


Gun Quotes

“’Gun control’ is a job-safety program for criminals.”

– John Lott

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our DGU’s.


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4- Interview 2

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

John – Rutherfordton, North Carolina
Chandra Nierman had recently moved to North Carolina from Indiana.  Her boyfriend was a convicted felon, with two active domestic violence protection orders against him in Ohio and Indiana, and who had multiple firearms around the house and frequently carried on his person.

On August 4, he had assaulted Nierman and fired multiple rounds inside the house to threaten and terrorize her.

On August 8, he was up to his old ways.  As he assaulted Nierman “causing bruises and contusions,” her kids took matters into their own hands.  The woman’s 12-year-old son grabbed a handgun. He handed the gun to his 15-year-old sister. She aimed and fired two shots that hit the abuser in the chest.

The man  quickly assumed room temperature.
Their 16-year-old sister was injured by bullet fragments but was treated and released from the hospital.

The DA’s office concluded, based on the facts and the evidence, that the shooting was justified and no charges will be filed.

Rob- The attacker said he would kill them all. If your ch
Paul – It’s unfortunate that the children had to do this. Thankfully the 12 year old knew where a gun was and what to do. Also

John – NC does have a law about keeping firearms out of the reach of minors. You are reminded about this everytime you purchase a firearm in the state as most dealers have you sign a disclaimer.


Gary – Indianapolis, Indiana
A dramatic armed robbery at Décor Furniture on the east side of Indianapolis was caught on camera last weekend.  It ended with the store owner turning the tables on the robber.
The store owner Doyle Stinson was in his store when the suspect pulled a gun and demanded money from him.  “I know you’ve got more money than that because this is a business.” He forced Stinson into the back room of the store.

Stinson somehow could tell the suspect’s gun was not loaded.  As he entered the back room, he hit the silent alarm and reached for his own weapon.

“I knew when he pulled the hammer back on the automatic weapon there wasn’t a bullet in the chamber,” Stinson said, “I know the sound.”

The video show him taking aim as the suspect quickly flees the store.  Stinson said he didn’t pull the trigger because he saw a boy in front of this store and was concerned about a stray shot hitting him.  (Rule 4)

The store owner instead called 9-1-1 and chased after the criminal.

A fellow store owner got in Stinson’s car and the two followed the suspect until it “became too dangerous.”

As for the take from the robbery, it netted him a whole $10.

Paul –

TRACY – Portland, Oregon
As a woman got on the elevator at her apartment, a 43-year-old crystal meth addict got on the elevator with her.  He confided that he had “just shot up.”
The man exited on the same floor as the woman and when she opened her door, he ran up and pushed her inside the apartment.
He looked wildly around, grabbed a pill bottle and $60 in cash.  He then exposed himself to her.

She was in “sheer panic” and the gun in her purse was not the first thing that came to her mind.  It was, however, how she was getting out of the situation.

When the man saw the gun, he dropped the bottle and ran out of the apartment with the cash.

Another woman was expecting a visitor and buzzed the person in.  The visitor did get photos of the suspect leaving the complex and the two shared the pictures with local law enforcement who recognized the junkie.
“I’ve had a real hard time since then, struggling with because it brings back horrible memories for me,” Kim said.

Unfortunately, she says this isn’t her first time dealing with sexual assault.

“There must be someplace inside me that’s just not going to let that happen again,” she said.

Now, she hopes everyone remembers to never let strangers inside.

“We need to look out for our neighbors, there’s a reason we live in a building that has security,” she said.


Rob- Don’t expect your neighbors to save you. POGO

Paul – you walk up to a building and hit every button on the door and someone will buzz you in.

And we’ll be back right after this with MORE DGUs!


Paul Dallas / Highland Park, Texas
Shortly before 8 PM, a man and a woman broke into the vehicle of a “commissioned” security guard near Turtle Creek.  When they drove their truck toward the security guard , he fired shots at them, claiming he had shot them.

The pair fled into Highland Park where the man dropped off the woman at a strip center.  He told witnesses that the woman needed help for an injury to her arm.

He then sped off and crashed into another vehicle a few blocks away.

Officers from Dallas, Highland Park, University Park and Southern Methodist University responded and set up a perimeter.  The started searching for the man to ran from the crash.

An off-duty officer working nearby found the suspect.

The two had been hospitalized and the male was taken to Dallas County jail.  The driver of the vehicle struck by the truck was hospitalized with non-life-threatening injuries.
The two face a charge of aggravated robbery in connection to the incident.  He was also changed with another robbery of a Taco Bell and a probation violation.

The man who fired the shots has had two aggravated assault reports filed against him and the case has been referred to a grand jury.


Grant – Cherokee County, Georgia
The hunt for the 25-year-old suspect began about 3 AM on Monday morning about a week ago.  He was wanted on a number of charges, burglary, obstruction, fleeing and attempting to elude, reckless conduct and reckless driving.  He is also accused of stealing trucks and ATV’s and threatening people with a sawed-off shotgun.

Deputies found a vehicle running and empty.  The vehicle had been reported stolen from Dawson County on Sunday night.

Deputies shot down the road due to receiving similar reports occuring in Cherokee and nearby counties.

At about 12:30 PM, they spotted the suspect on a dirt bike and gave chase.  After a short chase, he crashed the bike and fled into the woods. He wasn’t in the clear for long.

A neighbor told TV news that the suspect was hiding on her property.  She grabbed her gun and fired four of those pesky warning shots.
“By me firing shots in the air, it alerted my neighbor, so he knew he was coming his way,” the woman told the news station.

The deputies searched the woods and heard the shots.  They found the man holding the suspect at gunpoint.

Over a two week period, the suspect was tied to five crimes.

In one incident, he stole a truck and trailer and when confronted, got out of the truck and pointed a sawed-off shotgun at them.


Rob- Princess Anne County, Maryland

Two men wearing ski masks walked into a pharmacy recently.  One of the men was carrying what appeared to be a modern sporting rifle.

Wasim Amir, the owner and pharmacist was in his office when the suspects entered the store.  The man with the rifle ordered everyone to the ground.

Amir realized a robbery was in progress and removed the revolver from the desk drawer and started to walk out into the shop.   He was met by the robber who pointed the rifle at him.

When the robber saw the revolver, he yelled at his accomplice to run, saying “He has a gun.”

Amir fired once in their direction but missed leaving a hole in the front window of the pharmacy.

It was determined that the two men were demanding prescription medications and got none.  The window was replaced before lunch.


Paul – Training PLEASE!

John – The anti’s always belittle using a handgun when confronted with a rifle. It looks like it worked here.

Gary –

Rob- Don’t walk faster than you can see. Everyone should have been armed.

John – I think this was actually in Maryland. I thought they banned MSRs.

Paul –


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Listener e-mail discussion


You are truly evil! – Hey – Alton BROWN!

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- In the last month I’ve posted 7 articles and 8 interviews about FASTER saves lives. You can find them at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

This month the Canadians retired an old war horse. The Canadian Army had used the Lee Enfield rifle in one form or another since the Boer War. It was still being used by their volunteer Arctic-based Canadian Rangers as it had few moving parts, functioned well in sub-freezing weather, and was powerful enough for polar bears. It will be replaced by a modified bolt action Tikka T3 in .308 made by Colt Canada.  Unfortunately, these Enfields won’t be hitting our surplus markets after retirement. They are slated for cadet training, museums, and as gifts to Canadian Rangers for a job well done. The Rangers are a reserve force that has Inuit, First Nations (what we call native americans), and “non-aboriginals” in it.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.   So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.