Episode 459 – Kat Ainsworth


Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, August  15th, 2018, I’m Paul Lathrop

John: I’m John Richardson and on tonight’s show we will talk with Kat Ainsworth about firearms writing and training.

Belle: I’m Belle McCormack, and we’ll also talk about positive developments in Texas. So Climb aboard

Paul : Strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 459 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

John – Last week was spent entertaining family who were in town from St. Louis. This week I’ve been trying out a new “arm”. A chainsaw would be covered by the Second Amendment, wouldn’t it? I know the Stihl-Husqvarna rivalry is akin to Glock v Smith & Wesson M&P so I hesitate to go there. I also prepped an area today for use as a food plot for deer. I’ll plant it in a couple of weeks.

Belle – Finished up the WA ST IDPA Championship match, event went great, my shooting, not so much. Hosting Gunsite this weekend. And then…taking a weekend off to go camping with the kids before school starts.


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Listeners, we have been tracking the spread of the so-called “Red Flag” laws in various states, and our own Rachael Malone has been leading the charge against them in her new role with Gun Owners of America, down in Texas.

Now, lawmakers on  the Texas Senate Select Committee on “Violence in schools and School Security” has decided against more laws in favor of supporting increased school security.

The committee recommended securing funding for things such as cameras and metal detectors, as well as exploring a school marshal program and controlled entry points.

Other changes would include increased mental health training for school staff, and mental health resources for students.

The Committee specifically did not recommend the introduction of a Texas “Red Flag” law, saying instead that the current laws on domestic abuse be reviewed to clarify they impact on firearm possession.

The District that includes the Santa Fe high school where an attack took place recently also rejected Red-Flag and instead approved funding of one-point-five million dollars for security upgrades.

Listeners, this all makes way more sense than empowering unaccountable gun grabs, unless your aim is to grab guns unaccountably.




John –



Listeners, it was British Prime Minister Winston Churchill who sarcastically said “Never let a good crisis go to waste”, and of course, if there *isn’t* a serious crisis, then simply manufacture one.

We have all heard tragic stories where a child finds a firearm that has been poorly stored by a negligent adult and shoots themselves or another. This is horrible and now, the gun-grabbers have coined the term “Family Fire” to describe these events, and take advantage of them for their own ends.

“Family Fire” – the term makes it sound as if family members are hunting one another. It is yet another gross perversion of tragedy by those who would take away our rights.

The Brady Campaign website defines “Family Fire” as: “A shooting involving an improperly stored or misused gun found in the home, resulting in death or injury. Incidents include unintentional shootings, suicides and other gun-related tragedies.”

They ask: “Why is Family Fire” an issue?” and answer, “4.6 million children live in homes with loaded and unsecured guns. Everyday, family fire unintentionally injures or kills eight children and teens. Over 75% of school shootings start with kids having access to unsecured and/or unsupervised guns at home.”

You’ll notice that the term includes suicides. When else have we heard the tragedy of suicide used to inflate criminal use of firearms?

You’ll notice that there’s no mention of how many times children are killed or injured (and yes, one *is* too many), or how that number compares with those who drown in backyard swimming pools.

You’ll notice that educating children about firearms doesn’t feature in their program.

Listeners, don’t be fooled. This campaign with its catchy terminology is not about gun safety, despite what it says. It’s about creating fear and distrust amongst those who don’t own guns.

John – Years ago a local Highway Patrolman’s daughter used his firearm to kill herself.

Paul – The boston bombers were listed as “gun violence victims” by the brady campaign





Listeners, you know the last clause of the 2nd Amendment: “… the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

Well the lawyer for one illegal immigrant hopes that the amendment’s use of the word “people” and not “citizens”, will get him off gun charges, at the Supreme Court. Under currently accepted law, one must be a US Citizen or a Permanent Resident Alien (green card holder) to legally possess a firearm.

In 2016, illegal immigrant Javier Perez and a Mexican national  shot into the air to scare off a rival gang, using a gun that he freely admits borrowing from a friend. Brooklyn is prosecuting him under a number of firearms statutes.

Perez’s lawyer claims that, since there was no concept of “illegal alien” when the Bill of Rights was written, there was no suggestion that if you were from a foreign country, then you couldn’t bear arms. He is bolstering his argument with a section from the Heller decision, where mentally unstable people and felons were specifically mentioned as being excluded from 2nd amendment rights. The “logic” is that since illegal aliens were *not* specified, then they must have 2nd Amendment rights.

The prosecution argues that Illegal aliens have a “special interest” in evading the law. Further, they note that three circuit courts have rejected similar arguments in previous cases as have two federal appeals courts.

A California law professor noted: “The more one believes the Second Amendment is an individual right of self-defense, the harder it gets to say noncitizens are categorically not protected,” he said. “Any statute that makes firearms rights depend purely on immigrant status is constitutionally vulnerable,”

Arguments were held before Federal Judge Carol Bailey Amon on August 1st.

Listeners, what do *you* think?

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Listeners, we hear countless calls for “Common Sense Gun Safety”. Most of these come from organizations who think that the only “safe” gun is a confiscated one.

Well, the best established gun safety program for young children is quietly going from strength to strength.

The “Eddie Eagle” program, whose core message for children finding a firearm  is “Stop, don’t touch, run away, tell a grownup”, has reached a landmark of interest.

The program is produced by the NRA and in July, they said that they had received a quarter-of-a-million requests for the workbooks, videos and memento giveaways for the program.

The program is delivered to around a million pre-K to 4th graders every year, mostly by law enforcement officers, but also by NRA Instructors and other interested individuals.

Currently, 25 states have incorporated parts of the program into their safety training. Sadly however, some so-called “progressive” school districts prohibit the presenting of Eddie Eagle In their schools.

Listeners, what do you think – would you rather children were taught about guns, or kept in ignorance while adults hope they’ll not have an accident?

Paul – Good news!





Listeners, we reported recently on how several LvPD officers waited a floor below the room occupied by the Mandalay Bay murderer as he fired into the crowd below. Now LvPD has released its final report.

While the report details a very clear picture of the “who, what, when, where and how”, Sheriff Joe Lombardo told reporters and others that they had not been able to define the “why”.

Lombardo said that the mass murderer was an unremarkable man who showed signs of a troubled mind. He said there was no evidence for a second attacker and that no-one else was being charged, and that there was no evidence for links to international terrorist organizations.

The murderer’s brother said that he believed that the murders may have simply been an act of “boredom – he had done everything he wanted.” The murderer’s doctor said that be believed he was suffering from bipolar disorder, but had refused treatment.

The company who owns the hotel wants the murders to be classified as a act of terrorism, in order to absolve them of any liability to the families of those killed or injured.

So Listeners, is this what we are left with; fifty-eight people dead, hundreds more injured, at the hand of a man who was an untreated bipolar disorder victim, who was bored?






Listeners, the Bloomberg Redshirts and other gun banners always like to portray gun owners as “old white men” in dungarees, whose low IQ is only outdone by their small number of teeth. They live and breathe in the hope that gun ownership will simply die out.

However, the uncomfortable truth is that gun ownership is  lively, expanding and vibrant, with women of all ages, ethnicities and locations leading the “new wave” of what has been termed “Gun Culture two-point-oh.”

This was highlighted recently when two highly competitive programs for high schoolers drew 2,700 competitors.

The Scholastic Clay Target Program and Scholastic Action Shooting Program National Championships were conducted July 14-21 at the Cardinal Shooting Center in Marengo, Ohio. Youth from 26 states participated in the eight-day event with 2,692 competitors putting over one million rounds down range.

Trap and Skeet competitions were won by teams from Georgia, Iowa, Texas and Wisconsin. Action Shooting events were conducted in rimfire pistol, centerfire pistol, rifle optics, rifle iron sights, 1911 and pistol caliber carbine, and were won by competitors from multiple states, too, including Iowa, Pennsylvania and Tennessee.

Listeners, its easy to be overwhelmed by the flood of negative propaganda from those who would take away our rights. Don’t be discouraged. Bring the next generation of shooters forward and teach them well. Why not introduce the program to your high school? Contact the Scholastic Shooting Sports Foundation – their website is in the show notes.




Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Kat Ainsworth.


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Paul -Memphis, Tennessee

Some criminals just can’t pick the right house to break into.

As Whitney Lyne tried to relax and wind down before crawling into bed recently, a couple of intruders had other plans for her night.

It started with the doorbell ringing.  Since she wasn’t expecting anyone, she was startled.  The ringing continued and the person added banging on the door as well.

Lyne stared out the window through the curtains trying to catch a glimpse of the person banging on the door and trying the knob.  It turned out this was a woman and she had a big man sitting in a silver car parked in Lyne’s driveway.

Lyne then heard a boom and all went silent.

The woman was trying to come in through the front door.  Lyne’s two dogs then lost it.

Putting aside her fears, Lyne grabbed the shotgun her husband had left her for protection.

The woman at the door had broken the glass and was ready to come through the door.  She was stopped dead in her tracks though. Lyne and her shotgun did the trick.

The woman nonchalantly put up her hands and walked back to her car.  The guy in the car put his hands in the air, backed up and just sped off.

Once again, no shots fired.  According to the gun control crowd, this doesn’t count.


John – Crystal City, Missouri

When an 80-year-old man and his wife returned home, they saw evidence that someone had been in and about their home.  Clue number one, the garden hose stretched across the driveway and was turned on. Then his wife heard the door open. She said something but no one answered.

The man didn’t follow our popular advice and didn’t wait for police.  He grabbed a handgun and started clearing the house himself.

When he looked in the basement, he found more clues.  He flipped the lights on under the steps and found what he was looking for.  The intruder was on his knees. He got the criminal up and marched him outside to wait for police.  The homeowner’s son was outside and on the phone with the police dispatcher.

The old man told the intruder to do what he was told and he would not be shot.  The criminal complied.

As we say, leave the job of clearing the house to the police.

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Belle – Republic, Washington

The State of Washington has not been exactly a 2A friendly state lately but Republic police are encouraging citizens to exercise their rights after a man defended himself.

A man was sitting in his car with the window open when the suspect jumped through the open window.  The suspect was thought to be behind a variety of other vehicle break-ins that have been reported around the town.

Much to the suspect’s surprise, the vehicle’s owner was still inside and was also a concealed carrier.  He pointed his pistol at the suspect and ordered him to get on the ground and don’t move. The criminal complied.

“Crimes happen and they happen in the blink of an eye usually when you least expect them,” the Republic Police post read. “If you go about your day unarmed and helpless, you are a victim waiting for a crime to happen. … Get a gun, take a class and refuse to be a victim.”


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John – Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania

A pizza delivery man was a practitioner of POGO.  He had just delivered a pizza at about 12:20 AM on a Friday evening and was returning to his vehicle when a man approached him.  The man tried to rob the driver. The driver was stabbed during the ensuing fight but was able to get his handgun from his vehicle and fired one shot at the attacker.

The man was hit and fled on foot.  He was found by police about a block away on a porch.  He was pronounced dead at the scene.

The driver was treated at a hospital and his name and condition were not released.


Belle – New Bedford, Massachusetts

Cab driver and food delivery drivers are like targets for the low lifes which infest our streets.  A cabbie picked up two men in New Bedford early Friday. The men put the driver in a choke hold and used a knife to try to rob him.

The driver managed to free himself from the two and escape from the cab.  He fired several shots back at the cab. He hit one of the two men who expired after reaching a hospital.  The other man fled the cab and was later arrested a little time after noon on the same day.

The DA’s office says that the cabbie was licensed to carry and has not been idenfified.


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John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

The move by the gun prohibitionists to ban free speech just got a bit harder. In a move reminiscent of the controversy over the encryption program PGP, someone – not Cody Wilson or Def. Distributed – has published a book with the code for the Liberator pistol. This makes it that much harder for a court to ban the software files used in 3-D printing. Or, at least, it should. I bought a copy of the book and I’d suggest you follow our link to buy it as well. By the way, it is outselling HIllary Clinton’s It Takes A Village: Picture Book.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob Until the next time…

John: stay safe,

Belle: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.