Episode 456 – Just the Three of Us


Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, July 23rd, 2018, I’m Rob Morse.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and we’ll talk about the 9th Circuit actually upholding an injunction against California’s standard cap mag ban

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg and in one of our DGU’s we’ll talk about a Texas man who saved his wife who was being held hostage, so climb aboard.

Rachel: strap in

Rob : and hang on! episode 456 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I was on Bill Frady’s Lock and Load Radio program. I recorded another Episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories. Dry practice and I went to the range. Made my quarterly donations to support the second amendment.

Tracy – I went to Wisconsin and took the MAG-180, where I was the top lady shooter. The beer and cheese were incredibly delicious. I went out to KR Training taking a competition 2 class and a weekend-long class on medical and trauma preparedness with Dr. Ben Weger. It’s hot as hades in Texas, and we set a record today for the hottest day in July on record at 110. I’m wishing I was up at the Firearms Academy of Seattle about now.

Rachel – I’ve jumped right into working for Gun Owners of America! I spent a couple of days at the Capitol last week, meeting with the Governor’s policy team, attending a Senate committee hearing on school security, and preparing for this week’s committee meeting. I also met with friends who were in Austin for the RNC meeting — including our good friend Willes Lee. Tomorrow I’m hoping a LOT of Texans show up to the Capitol to testify AGAINST the red flag proposals.

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Grant: ScotShot is running the NRA Range Safety Officer on Sunday August 12th, and Personal Protection Inside the Home class in September, over two days, 9/22 and 9/29. Details are on www.scotshot.com

Ask listeners to listen to other shows on the network, name at least 2 shows.


2- News



One of the many ways anti-gunners try to restrict 2nd Amendment rights, is to limit the capacity of magazines. California has such a law, and it is held up in litigation. Most recently, the legal hold from District court judge Roger Benitez was upheld by a panel of the 9th CIrcuit.

The case is not straightforward. California has banned magazines over 10 rounds since 2000, but existing magazines were grandfathered. More recently the so-called “proposition 63” set to ban these grandfathered magazines, without compensation for their owners.

Suit was brought on the basis that this constituted an “unlawful taking” of property by the government, and a summary judgement was requested to let owners keep their magazines.

The injunction to halt the confiscation was granted on the basis that magazines likely fall within the scope of the 2nd Amendment. The court said that States could not simply “invoke the phrase ‘gun violence’ to justify any exercise of state power”. They also said that the public’s 2nd Amendment rights may “repel criminal gun violence and ultimately ensure the safety of the Republic”, strong words indeed.

The California Attorney General appealed this decision up to the 9th circuit, but a panel of judges agreed with Judge Benitez, voting 2 for and 1 against. A decision on the summary judgement is expected in the autumn, but if this goes against the State, it’s likely that they will appeal for an en banc hearing before the full 9th circuit.

While it’s likely that they will rule in favor of the state and the ban, it is hoped that a final appeal to the Supreme court will overturn the law.

Listeners, this is just another example of how States use taxpayers’ money as essentially unlimited resources with which to reduce the scope of 2nd Amendment rights. The hope underlying these grass-roots lawsuits is that they will eventually reach the Supreme court. The nomination of a new Justice is raising hopes that the Supreme court will begin to take 2nd Amendment cases

Rachel-those are quotes to keep and use. Thank you, California….never thought I’d say that…?

Rob- Playing chess





Listeners, last week, we heard about the so-called red-flag law introduced in Texas, under the guise of school safety. Recently, we heard about the introduction of a similar, but much more Orwellian one in New Jersey, and we have seen it in action there, too.

Now, Illinois governor Bruce Rauner has signed one.

The governor signed two anti-gun bills this week: the Red Flag law and a law requiring a three-day waiting period before purchased guns could be taken home.

He said, “Today I signed legislation to keep firearms out of the hands of those who would use them to commit acts of violence against themselves or others,” citing it as a win for public safety.

Listeners, we are all familiar with the scope for abuse that these new laws have and it doesn’t matter if rights are restored upon legal representation. These laws put gun owners at the mercy of neighbors, teachers, ex-spouses, as we have previously discussed. Three thousand people filed witness comments against the bill.

More disturbing almost is the introduction of an extended waiting period.  Illinois currently has a 24 hour wait on long arms and a 72 hour wait on handguns. An effort to extend this to 72 hours for semi-auto and 50 BMG rifles was vetoed by this Republican governor, who wanted the blanked 72 hour wait that he signed this week.

Once again, “Public Safety” was cited: Bill Sponsor Elgie SIms said “this sweeping cooling off period will protect people throughout the state by keeping guns out of the wrong hands.”

Listeners we hear the same two tired phrases “gun violence” and “public safety”. They both translate to “we are coming for your guns.”

Rachel- who are they fooling when they think that criminals have no illegal means of obtaining guns?

Rob- miss 98% of the time. Keeps a domestic.






Listeners, it would be wrong to assume all high-schooler are anti-gun, despite what Hogg et al and the Bloomberg Redshirts would have us believe.

Earlier this month, Conservative students in at least 13 cities across the country rallied for gun rights, protesting the March for our Lives gun control movement.

“March for Our Rights” held rallies in Chicago, Los Angeles, and Washington DC, realistically expecting a modest turnout. Newsweek reported that about 250 people attended the rally in California.

While counterprotesters overshadowed the Chicago event, the organizers were putting a positive spin on the event. National leaders such as Maj Toure spoke, as did Cam Edwards of the NRA. The organizers have felt firsthand how polarizing gun rights is, with one of them saying that she had lost contact with former friends over her views.

Another stated that there was a “significant underrepresentation of conservative views in the classroom, especially history classes.” They noted that while there was huge publicity around the Hogg extravaganza, there was “no publicity assisting us.” Yet another said that he felt “I don’t necessarily have a voice… pro-gun people aren’t confident to speak their minds” and that  the right to bear arms is in danger, with gun-bans on the horizon.

Listeners, hopefully this will be the start of something bigger. It’s good to see positive activism even if there’s little publicity for it.




Rob: Gun Quotes

“Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms. This is not to say that firearms should not be very carefully used and that definite safety rules of precaution should not be taught and enforced. But the right of citizens to bear arms is just one more guarantee against arbitrary government, and one more safeguard against tyranny which now appears remote in America, but which historically has proved to be always possible.”

Vice President and Democrat Candidate Hubert H. Humphrey

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our DGU’s.

3- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Tracy – Houston, Texas

As a Houston woman arrived home, she was approached by two men.  They stole her purse and then forced her to take them inside her home.  What they were not aware of at the time was that her husband was at home and was witnessing the attack.

As the burglars were attempting to enter the home, the husband exited and opened fire.  This lead to a shootout between the three men. One of the two ran but the one who stayed in the fight was holding his wife, who is 3 months pregnant, at gunpoint.  The good guy had one option. A shot to the head. He shot him one time in the head, critically injuring but not killing him.

The husband and wife were not harmed during the fire fight.  The injured thug was taken to the hospital in serious condition.

The other suspect is still at large.


Rob- have a gun.

Hostage shot

Head shot

In the dark

Moving target

Pregnant wife

Rachel- South Fulton, Georgia

Some ex-boyfriends just won’t go away.

A South Fulton woman broke up with her boyfriend last Wednesday.  The next morning he was back at her house where she was home with her five children.  He was trying to break into her home.

She called police, frantic with fear.

The ex-boyfriend eventually kicked in the front door.

Once he entered the house, she warned him several times that she would shoot him if he didn’t stop coming toward her.  She did shoot. Three times. She hit her target one time in the chest.

“She was in fear of her life and was trying to defend herself and her family and use necessary force she felt was appropriate at the time,” South Fulton Police Lt. Charles Cook said.

He was taken to the hospital and will have felony charges filed on him.  There are no pending charges on the victim.


Rob- Aliquippa, Pennsylvania

Anthony Farley lives next door to his sister, Brionna Hicks, in the Pittsburgh suburb of Aliquippa.  When two men attacked her around 1 AM, Farley heard her.

Hicks was on her porch smoking a cigarette when the two men rushed her, shouting “DEA surveillance, wire tap.”

The men were wearing shirts that said “DEA”.  They tried to handcuff her while holding a gun to her head.  She screamed for her mother who was asleep upstairs with three children.

Her mother came downstairs and was confronted by one of the men who told her to lay face down on the stairs.

As they tied to drag Ms. Hicks out of the house, Farley, who lives in the adjoining half of the duplex house, came to the front door.

One of the two men shot Farley in the neck at which time he returned fire.  The second suspect drug his accomplice, who was shot in the exchange of gun fire, to the front porch and left him there and ran.  The police found the body where is partner had left him.

The at large suspect was identified by the victim and was considered “armed and dangerous.”  He is wanted on felony drug charges which were filed in June. Homicide, attempted murder, burglary and 15 other charges are now pending as a result of this incident.

Farley was airlifted and is expected to survive.


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Rachel: Listener e-mail discussion

We received an e-mail from Val.

Wow, I can’t believe it’s been a year since Rachel left for the RPT job.

I wish her great success working with GOA going forward.

Paul, I’ve included a link with information about measuring for a bra – you can figure out if you really need to move up a size.

Regarding the discussion of XD/XDM and their grip safety, that’s a feature that led me to purchase an XD as my first handgun. Since then, my confidence in me is greater and I don’t find that to be a necessity, but I also don’t find it any kind of a liability. As Matt mentioned in the email, being able to hold your hand off the grip safety when holstering is good, but still doesn’t beat just carefully holstering, regardless of the gun. What I don’t want on a defensive gun is a thumb safety, a switch you have to consciously (or unconsciously) deactivate to make the gun work. I think that would provide more opportunity to fumble it than a grip safety ever could.

And Paul – you’ve not had a 911? You’ve missed one of life’s great pleasures, scooting down the Authobahn with your butt just a couple inches above the pavement.


ps – Next time you have a layover in Rapid City, drop me a line, maybe we can meet up.

Tracy: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- Let’s say the goal is to take some medication. It is mixed into 10 gallons of water, so you drink a few cups a day..or do you pour it all over yourself and spill most of it onto the ground? The latter is unfortunately how we take firearms training in the US. Everything over a half hour is wasted. Worse yet, no one is sure which information you learned; was it the first few minutes or the last few? I found a few firearms instructors who teach armed defense the same way we teach music or martial arts., 20 minutes of new material a week.

I found Roger E. Temple in southeast Pennsylvania and Beau Doboszenski in Minneapolis, Minnesota. I also re-discovered our friends Jeff and Robyn Street. They first came to our attention when they brought a weekly dry-practice program to their church in Naples, Florida. Now that’s what I’m talking about.

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  

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Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank everyone for listening in today. So for Paul, Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Susan, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Tracy: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.