Episode 451 – James Kaleda, Jenna Meek, and Marc MacYoung

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment: 

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest James Kaleda

4- Interview Segment 2: Guests Jenna Meek and Marc MacYoung Pt 1

5- Interview Segment 3: Guests Marc MAcYoung and Jenna Meek Pt 2

6- DGU Segment:

5- Email and Show Close:


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1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, June 11th, 2018  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Marc Macyoung and Jenna Meek about their new book, “What you don’t can kill you.”

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the Broward County Sheriff’s captain removed from office.

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and tonight we’ll talk with James Kaleda about his new podcast, Out of Order.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have a DGU involving a teacher… so climb aboard

Belle: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 451 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- I went to a two day training course at Tactical Response in Camden, Tennessee. This is a beginning pistol course and the emphasis was on mindset. It is about as good as a two day course can be.


Paul – Do you feel that even when you take a new course even as a beginner course you still learn things?


John – Since the Second Amendment isn’t limited to firearms, I’ve been investigating buying a crossbow. Models and prices are all over the place. At the top end you can pay over $2,500!  I’ve also been at work on designing my Form 1 .22 LR suppressor. I picked up a shop press from Harbor Freight yesterday to use to form the freeze plugs as baffles.




Tracy- The MAG-180 starts 13 days from today! This class hasn’t been taught in 11 years, and I’ll be traveling to Wisconsin to attend it. I have to shoot Mas’ quad-speed qualification, which I’ll shoot with my STI Trojan. Our own Rachel Malone will be at the 180 working as a range officer. Our own Dr. John Edeen will be taking the class as well. Stay tuned to future podcast episodes for my AAR of the 180. Everyone wish me luck!


Belle- Been teaching and competing pretty much every weekend since I was on last. Just took my last registration for our MAG40 at FAS today, its officially full. I am officially in the busiest time of the year and it’s a non stop ride thru September.


Paul/Susan : Quit my job – Ren Fair


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2- News- Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded




In the four months since seventeen people were murdered at a high school in Parkland, Florida, a number of truly disturbing revelations have come to light.


Consider the perpetrator. It has since been shown that he was known as disturbed, and a disciplinary problem for the school and local enforcement officials. The local Sheriff’s department lied about the extent of the problem, citing 23 calls when records show at least 45. These calls started when the murderer was only 9 years old. He had been reported twice to the FBI. However, a progressive discipline policy had prevented legal action being taken, preserving the school’s stellar discipline record.


Then there was the School Resource officer, who chose to stay outside the school instead of entering to confront the murderer, and who subsequently resigned amidst an outcry for his prosecution.


Then there was the role of the person in charge of the Sheriff response on that day. It was Captain Jan Jordan who ordered her officers to form a perimeter around the school, rather than enter. The deputy chief of the local fire-rescue squad asked six times… SIX TIMES… for permission to enter the school and each time Captain Jordan said “no”. She even continued to decline permission after the murderer had been arrested. The fire-rescue commander cited Jordan as saying that she “..would have to check..” before allowing the squats inside. Captain Jordan had no training in incident command, or tactical command.


Now, after dithering a decision that cost the lives of students and staff, Captain Jordan has been removed. Mayor Payton said that this is one of many coming changes. Broward County Commissioner Michael Udine added, “When you have what you had on February 14th, there’s got to be accountability.”


Listeners, let’s hope that this extends to the school principal, the schools superintendent and the Broward County Sheriff, because we would hate anyone to think that this hapless Captain, who was out of her depth, is being scapegoated. WE’d also like to see your emails about whether the rescue squad commander should have asked for permission in the first place, considering his two suads each contained armed police officers













John – There is a story that broke this weekend that a former Secret Service Agent was asked to check security of the school 2 months ago. He did and made many recommendations. Nothing was done.


John – Sheriff Israel – “Lions don’t care about the opinions of sheep”


Rob- Ask your school board when they had an audit and if they acted on the recommendations.





The Illinois gun rights group “Guns Save Lives” has once again exploited the actions of anti-gunners to promote safe and responsible gun handling.


Once again, this shrewd and focused group of dedicated 2nd Amendment activists has used money it has garnered from turning in junk guns to Chicago gun buybacks, to send young people to an NRA summer shooting camp. Previous events have been in 2007 and 2012.


Six years ago, Guns Save Lives gave their first black eye to Mayor Emmanuel by harvesting $6,000 from the buyback and using it to send kids to the NRA summer camp. As a consequence, the city ended its buyback program and the leader of Guns Save Lives was banned from ever taking part in once again.


But, just a few days ago, Guns Save Lives was back with a vengeance to take advantage of a $100 per gun, no questions asked event. Turning in guns that were old, broken, rusty and  looking like they “..dated from the Prohibition era..”. The group were not able to sellback all 60 guns they offered but did “..very well..”

Listeners – what do you think of this idea? Can you run it in your area?


















Listeners.. do the parents of these whiny little babies know that they have escaped their cots and cribs? Is there some definition of child abuse that encompasses allowing your children to be exploited for political ends? We’d like to know what you think because we are bemused by the coming “Parkland Survivors’ Summer Tour”.


Yes, listeners you too can enjoy Mr Angry Foul-Mouth, aka David Hogg, as he “Bangs” his pouty little fist on the podium to “Demand Common Sense” gun control, and shakes his triangular little bobble-head against the “Child Murdering NRA members”.


You can watch in AMAZEMENT as Selfie-Hopping Emma Gonzalez tells people that politicians who don’t support this are “.. looking like they are going against kids.”


You’ll collapse in AWE as they ride a bus to 75 stops over 60 days, attempting to register young people to vote and indoctrinate them into hatred of the Constitution of these United States,  and to voluntarily giving up their Natural Rights, all the while quietly backed by the Democratic party and leftist activists.


You’ll remember with a tear in your eye, how script-reading Delany Tarr, haltingly quoted her handling Democrat move-makers with “When you give us that inch, that bump-stock ban, we will take a mile.”


And here’s some things you won’t hear these little pediatric puppets pronouncing purposefully on:

* the leftist discipline policies that made the murders possible

* the inept leadership that allowed their classmates to bleed to death while help was ready

* the history of racism and bigotry embraced and pushed by the Democratic party

* that their politicians are bought and paid for not by the NRA, but more likely by Big Pharma


Listeners, make no mistake. This is one of the most shrewd and well-developed pieces of gun bam ideology ever developed by the left. They ARE coming for our guns.











Rob- This is a media event.

John- I’ve seen some Democratic congressman saying they need to hire Parkland students as interns this summer.





Listeners.. one of the most insidious new tactics of the antigunners is the so-called “Red Flag” or “Extreme Protection” laws being signed onto the books all over the country.


Most recently, New Jersey joined the tide. Massachusetts Senate passed a bill. New York Governor Cuomo called to widen the list of people who can rain down gun confiscation terror on otherwise law abiding citizens.


So, what are these bills and laws about?


At their core, they allow a range of people… teachers, neighbors, family members, marriage counselors, doctors, psychologists and so on…  to call the police if they believe that someone who owns firearms is a risk to themselves or others. The police are then obliged to visit and temporarily confiscate the firearms. The burden of proof (and expense) then falls on the gun owner to prove that they are not, in fact, a risk.


Many of the laws, such as that about to be signed in New Jersey explicitly involve “ex parte” decisions – that is, the target of the action (eg, you, Listener) is unaware that the accusation has been brought until the confiscation is enacted. Many (also including New Jersey) do not allow for action against those who would use this law mischevosly or maliciously, by launching a baseless attack on, say, a neighbor, for petty or vengeful reasons.


Many of these bills and laws even allow “current and former romantic partners” to launch the attacks – the one in MA allows suspension of gun rights for up to a year. Law enforcement agencies are not required to return seized guns after the order expires.


Listeners, these bills and laws should scare you. A lot. They empower people you don’t know to hold a hearing in your absence that may strip you of your 2nd Amendment rights forever.


This concept is a HUGE strategic win for the antigunners. Imagine your ex-partner decides to do the dirty on you. Imagine your kid’s teacher is anti-gun and is worried about little John or Jane. Imagine your neighbor gets annoyed when you run your lawnmower. The possibilities are endless. Listeners, they ARE coming for your guns.









Rob- Over 90% of these orders are overturned on their first court date. Lawfare-

Please image what a domestic abuser can do to disarm their intended victim.


John- If the person is so dangerous, why are they loose on the street?


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).



3- Interview 1 James Kalida – Out of Order with James Kalida


First of all can you explain how you came up with the name for your podcast?


I was honored to be one of the 1st guests on your show, who else have you had on?


What do you see as the main focus for your show?


4 – Interview 2 Jenna Meek and Marc MacYoung


Book – What You Don’t Know Can Kill You: How Most Self Defense Training Will Put You into Prison or the Ground


  1. Quoting right from the introduction to your book…

Stripped of their veneers, martial arts and firearms training teach you how to harm another person. But society and the legal system have some definite ‘opinions’ about you doing that. There’s enough instruction out there on the physical parts of self-defense so we’re not going to spend much time on it. (There’s a lot of instruction on “how” so we’ll spend time on “when” and “how much.”) We’re going to invest more time on the other topics that aren’t as fun and sexy. These topics deal with how society and the cops will react to your defending yourself. Honestly, has your previous training covered them? Or does the dominant attitude contend that “it will obviously be self-defense, so let’s focus on the physical part”? No matter how much force you’re being taught to use.  


    2) Again from the chapter titled Courts in your book

  1. Ours is not a justice system. Ours is a legal system. It’s about what the laws say and how they are interpreted. This includes how your case applies to the law, not the other way around. Think of the law as a test that your case will be run through to see if it passes. A very brutal test in that once the machine is put into gear, it must run its course.


    3) Let’s talk a little bit about Tyler.


Rob- 5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


Rob- Worchester, Massachusetts

Around 8:40 PM on a Saturday night, paramedics were driving by No Name Market when they say a 26-year-old man lying on the sidewalk.  The man had been shot three times.

The man had entered the store with a large knife.  He walked up behind one of two female customers and put his arm around her neck and held the knife to her neck.  Before he demanded any money or made any threats, the store clerk pulled his gun. The hostage fell to the ground and the clerk shot the suspect three times.

The man dropped the knife and ran from the store with the clerk in pursuit who ordered to him to the ground before running back to check on customers.

The thugs injuries were not life-threatening.  The clerks gun and license to carry were confiscated while the investigation is ongoing.

The other man was charged with 3 assault related charges.


Police: Knife-Wielding Man Shot By Store Clerk While Attacking Customer



Tracy – Ackerman Mississippi

On a recent afternoon, a mother had left to go to work, taking her daughter with her, her troubled brother-in-law decided to carry through on threats made against the family.  The man was armed with a hatchet when he attempted to break into his brother’s home.

Unfortunately for him, his 16-year-old nephew was home and was armed with a .270 caliber rifle.

When the man made a sudden and aggressive move toward the young man, he fired a single shot, striking his uncle in the chest.  When police arrived, they found the man on the porch, unresponsive and later he died.

The family has videos of the uncle walking around their yard with two machetes, threatening the father and the entire family.

The boy was traumatized and has not been charged.



Paul- I want to give kudos to the 16 year old young man.. Actually 16 year old man by his actions to arm himself and stop the threat. Also bad guy brought a hatchet to a rifle fight. John, I consider you a LOT more of an expert on rifle cartridges than I am, what is the .270 performance like and what is it generally used for?


John – the muzzle energy was approximately 2700 ft pounds of energy at that range.




Gary-Oceana, West Virginia

A high school teacher would often wonder what would happen if she came face to face with an intruder.  It is a common practice to visualize your reaction to various self-defense scenarios.

On a recent Saturday, her wonderings became real.

Her husband wasn’t expected home for another hour when she heard noises in the backyard.   The family dog was also acting strangely.

She thought the sounds she was hearing was her husband coming home but when she looked out the window and spotted a man breaking into her car.  She confronted the man and called 911. The man refused to leave so she told the dispatcher that she was going to get her gun. They tried to dissuade her from doing that but she persisted.

As soon as she stepped on the porch with her gun, the intruder decided that it was probably best to not be there anymore.  When she looked in her car, she discovered that the man had dropped crystal meth in her passenger seat.

The would-be thief was still being sought.



John – Gary, Indiana

A 32-year-old man and woman were attempting to break into a home on the eastside of Gary recently.  The homeowner heard banging at his door at 1 AM. He retrieved his gun because he thought someone was trying to break in.

When the door broke open, the 29-year-old homeowner fired once.

The want-to-be home intruders fled.  Within 10 minutes of the first call of a shot fired, the police were dispatched to a local hospital due to a report of a patient with a gunshot wound.

The female intruder was arrested and an arrest warrant was issued for the male intruder.



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Paul – Gun Quotes- If ever a time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.

Samuel Adams


6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- https://slowfacts.wordpress.com/2018/05/30/best-practice-to-save-our-students-from-mass-murderers-part-2/



We want to see things as black and white. Unfortunately, when it comes to allowing school staff to carry a firearm on campus, those laws come in shades of gray. Can a school board decide to have armed volunteer school staff on campus? Are the state requirements so restrictive that the school board can’t find a sufficient number of volunteers?


My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.


We are in a culture war with those who would suppress our god-given right to self-defense. The latest salvo was fired by YouTube which arbitrarily terminated Brownells’ YouTube page this weekend. There was no warning and no notice. Brownells is about as mainstream and Midwestern as you can get. After the outcry the page was restored sometime on Sunday with no explanation as to why it was deleted or why they reversed themselves. Big social media companies are not our friend and we need to remember that. While there are alternatives, they don’t have the same ubiquity as the YouTubes, the Facebooks, and the Twitters.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.


Facebook listeners group

Rob- Youtube is owned by google.


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (James Kalida, Jenna Meek, and Marc MacYoung) for joining us today.  So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Belle: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.