Episode 398 – Cover Your ASP

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment

3- Interview Segment 1: Guest John Corriea

4- Interview Segment 2: Guest Amanda Suffecool

5- DGU Segment:

6- Email and Show Close:

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday January 13th 2017 , I’m Paul Lathrop

Gary:… so climb aboard

Susan: strap in

Paul : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 398 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)





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2- News 1

National Carry Reciprocity Update

The Washington Free Beacon published an article with further details related to Representative Richard Hudson’s (R-NC) proposed reciprocity legislation.  This news outlines Rep. Hudson’s intent that the Act will recognize both resident and non-resident licenses or permits.  He stated that he has, “confirmed this with legislative counsel and Judiciary Committee staff.”  The bill has over 100 co-sponsors.


Imagine that you live in New Jersey, Washington D.C. or Orange County, California.  You have given up hope to obtain a carry permit since you are not one of the privileged class.  If this bill passes with the author’s stated intent, you would be able to obtain a permit from a free state and be allowed to carry in your own state.  


Forum Shopping is a frequent tactic in the legal profession to try cases in an area where the chances of a favorable outcome are the most likely.  Many large businesses are incorporated in Delaware because of their favorable laws.  Why shouldn’t the average citizen have the opportunity to obtain freedom from the most favorable venue?


It is no wonder that Alan Gottlieb of the Second Amendment Foundation has applauded Rep. Hudson for inclusion of non-resident permits in the legislation.  There is little doubt that the gun control lobby will pull out all of the stops to ensure this legislation is not successful.  It is our job to ensure there are consequences for politicians determined to infringe open our rights.  Just say no to gun free zones, magazine capacity restrictions, trigger weight requirements and any other ludicrous schemes meant to turn law-abiding citizens into criminals.


Gary –

Paul – I alluded to this last week. GET YOUR CCW NOW! Utah- Arizona-Florida etc


Loretta Lynch: U.S. Attorney’s Office Worked ‘Around the Clock’ Against Chicago ‘Gun Violence’

Amid reports that lax prosecution is one of the chief enablers of Chicago gun crime, Attorney General Loretta Lynch says the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Northern District of Illinois has worked “around the clock” against Chicago “gun violence.” Moreover, in the past few years, the NRA has pointed to a lack of federal prosecutions as a weak link in the fight against Chicago gun crime.


Gun Quotes

As far as I’m concerned, ARs are for all practical purposes military weapons. But before any of my gun-rights brothers accuse me of betraying the cause, let me follow up with this statement: there’s nothing wrong with the fact that they’re military weapons. It’s a good thing. – Chris Hernandez


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest John Correa of Active Self Protection



3- Interview 1


4- Interview 2


5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


Trying to Rob Gun Store

You’ve got to be brazen or stupid – or a large amount of both – to rob a gun store. A pair of robbers tried their luck at Dixie Gun and Pawn in the Atlanta, Georgia area. The results were entirely predictable.

           Video of Dixie Gun and Pawn Robbery

The video contained in the show notes is very instructive. It shows two masked men entering the store with guns drawn and pointed at the two workers inside. The video starts with one employee with his hands up and the store owner with his back to the thugs. When the owners recognizes the situation, he turns, retreats slightly and comes up with his 1911. He targets the closest threat, who is pointing two pistols at him. Both men fire, but the owner’s shots immediately drop the robber onto his back motionless. It seems the first shot

was a critical central nervous system hit and the perp was dead before he hit the ground. Three quick shots drive the other thief out the door. The entire incident took only 11 seconds, the actual shooting — less than 5.   


The two workers likely survived because the store owner knew what he was doing and performed his tasks effectively and efficiently. His actions speak of training and practice. Most importantly, he had his life-saving equipment on his hip when it was needed – for the first time in 30 years.


POGO, you never know.   


How’s That Rehabilitation Working Out For Yah?
A Sarasota County, Florida homeowner was forced to shoot and kill a home invader in self defense. The man and his family returned home when they were attacked by a man with a baseball bat. The owner shot the intruder in self-defense.  

Glenn Edward Oliver, 30, died inside his victim’s house. This violent career criminal had recently been released from prison after a 10 year sentence for armed robbery with a firearm and car-jacking. His prison time and five year probation apparently did little to deter him from his chosen profession. A profession that threatened the lives of others.


Oliver was accorded victim status by the Gun Memorial website, which described him as one “Lost to gun violence on January 8, 2017 in Sarasota, Florida.” There was no mention of the family that he threatened with serious injury or death.


Dr Sowell’s DGU

Dr Thomas Sowell has retired. For as long as we can remember, Dr Sowell has been a contrarian voice of reason and rationality. The respected economist and Senior Fellow of the Hoover Institute wrote widely on a host of subjects, never failing to bring his unique clarity and communication ability to the issue. Now, the 86-year-old, small “L” libertarian has hung up his pen. In one of his last columns, Sowell took on the New York Times and their bigoted, fictitious image of legal gun carriers. He lays out a convincing argument for the law-abiding, armed citizen and disassembles the Times’ lies. Almost as an aside, he reveals that he has used a gun in self-defense. Yes, Dr Sowell has had a DGU!


In Dr Sowell’s words: “The only time I ever pointed a gun at a human being, it was when someone was sneaking up toward me from behind a shed in the middle of the night. I never fired a shot. I just pointed the gun at him and told him to stop. He stopped.” <unquote> In this, the exceptional Dr Sowell becomes rather ordinary; as in the vast majority of DGUs a shot is never fired. The victim’s firearm causes the criminal to rapidly reevaluate the situation, usually resulting in a decision to be elsewhere as soon as possible.  


We wish Dr Sowell a long and happy retirement. He will be devoting himself to his photography, which is featured at his website. His black and white photographs are truly stunning. We also thank him for his last column on the fallacy of gun control and highly recommend it to our listeners. The link can be found in the shownotes.  

Don’t Torque Off the Old Gal

In another of our continuing “Don’t Torque Off an Ol’ Gal” series, a feisty 74-year-old Texan puts the fear of Grandmother in a thug.   


Rebbie Robertson was watching TV when she was startled by an armed intruder.  Not one to take an interruption to her shows lightly, she grabbed a .38 on a nearby table and pointed it at the bad guy, who quite understandably ran for his life. Putting the robber to flight wasn’t enough for the cranky septuagenarian, so she ran after him firing her gun. There was no doubt in her mind; “I tried to kill him! Anybody break in on me I’m going to kill them! He going to kill me or I’m going to kill him!” Unfortunately for her house, her aim wasn’t quite as well developed as her outrage.  

Police aren’t certain if ol’ Deadeye actually hit the intruder, however they’re continuing to look for the criminal, who might still be running. You just don’t dare torque off an old grandmother!  


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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion



1st email


I have just recently learned about and started listening to the Polite Society podcast.  Good stuff.

Here are a few thoughts from the prepper interview:

I am a huge proponent of using a .22lr rifle.  I disagree that auto loaders are more complex than a bolt action or lever action rifle.  I have disassembled (and reassembled) multiple Ruger 10/22 rifles.  They are pretty simple.  They are also quite effective.  Why?

An autoloader allows for a much faster followup shot than a bolt action or lever action and I have seen very few malfunctions, maybe one out of a thousand rounds, all of which could be cleared by nothing more than cycling the bolt.  Using quality ammunition is important.

I can carry a case (5K) rounds of .22lr (CCI MiniMags preferred) under one arm.  A single tin (440 rounds) of 7.62x54r is a bit tougher to carry. https://www.faclevents.org/austin-tx-1-day-14jan2017

In a survival situation, I would be willing to hunt even deer with a .22lr.  Mind you, the deer in Texas run kind of small.

In a long term survival situation, rounds of .22lr would make a good currency, with each round being of fairly small denomination.

While not great in defending a position, it’s still enough to discourage attackers at 100+ yards.

So, while I don’t think it is a solution to everything, I would not be surprised if a .22lr turned out to be the most often used round in a survival situation.

And, as a followup, I highly recommend classes from the Appleseed Project (Hi, Rachel) as the best and most cost effective introductory rifle marksmanship training.  So much so that I have a standing offer to pay for a friend of mine to take a weekend class.

Keep up the good work, I have been enjoying the podcasts.

— Matt


Jake from Iowa wrote in:


On the subject of National Carry Reciprocity, Rachel expressed doubts that this was something we want the federal government getting their hands into.  I generally share her caution about government, and really respect and appreciate her principled approach to things, but I disagree – I think that in order to respect the constitution, the federal government MUST institute national reciprocity.  

The justification would be under the “full faith and credit” clause of the constitution, which requires states to respect the documents issued by other states, such as drivers licenses, marriage licenses, etc.

Politicians are certainly known for “creative” interpretations of the constitution, such as the much-abused interstate commerce clause, but the full faith and credit clause can only honestly be interpreted in our favor – It could not be used to justify forcing more strenuous qualifications for permits on the states.  One could maybe create several “levels” of carry permits, and argue that, say Utah’s carry permit is only equivalent to California’s “basic” carry permit, so you can’t carry in a bunch of places until you get some kind of prohibitively expensive “enhanced” permit, but even that would be progress.


Right now, I have an Iowa carry permit but work in Illinois.  It is literally impossible for me to get an IL carry permit because IL will not issue one to IA residents, nor will they honor my IA permit, except in my vehicle.  This is a pretty blatant denial of rights, and is unconstitutional both on 2A grounds and based on the full faith and credit clause, and I would love to see them slapped down on this.



-Jake from Iowa


And Carl also wrote in.



Recently Rob published an article regarding the Presbyterian Church USA (PCUSA) and its naïve stance on firearms.  I am here to say that I am a member and elder of that denomination and I agree with Rob.  For many years, PCUSA has been against any gun that isn’t used for hunting.

PCUSA is rife with members who whole-heartedly support the 2nd amendment.  The problem is that the leadership is stuffed with liberals.  This was confirmed to me by my old friend and college roommate, a retired Presbyterian pastor and United States Navy chaplain who retired with the rank of Commander.  He is about as disgusted with the situation as I am.

PCUSA advocates for ministry to people who have been affected by gun violence.  OK, it is good to do that for people who have been affected by violence of any kind.  But they also call for (http://www.pcusa.org/news/2014/6/19/assembly-acts-decisively-gun-violence-abortion-tax/):

  • opposition to legislation that exempts gun manufacturers and marketers from legal liability and/or financial accountability for the medical and security costs of predictable gun misuse and availability to criminals, the unstable, and the self-destructive;
  • opposition to “stand your ground” and other legislation that may entitle gun owners to shoot before taking alternative measures (such as relying on law enforcement and/or other de-escalation techniques) in perceived defense of persons or property;
  • encouraging church sessions and PC(USA) entities that own property to declare their particular premises and gatherings to be gun-free zones;
  • raising the age for handgun ownership to 21;
  • supporting legislation to ban semiautomatic assault weapons, armor-piercing handgun ammunition and .50-caliber rifles; and
  • advocacy in support of state and federal legislation to regulate ammunition.

I have stayed Presbyterian for a few reasons, one of which is to possibly promote change from within.  PCUSA has progressively removed itself from the Bible in many areas.  Now I am tired.  Maybe I should go back to my Lutheran roots (attention Lloyd Bailey!).  Or my wife’s Baptist roots.

Thanks for listening to my rant.



Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,


Paul: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Susan: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.


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