Episode 397 – National Reciprocity?

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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment:

3- Interview Segment Guests Joey and Allison from Passionate About Prepping:

4- DGU Segment:

5- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday January 5th, 2017  I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about the nevada law requiring universal background checks that cannot be enforced.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we will talk about a possible national concealed carry reciprocity act

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a Texas deputy sheriff wasn’t carrying a gun, luckily his wife was. So climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

Rob : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 397 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- sdgs podcasts.  We are in process of adding another concealed carrier to the household.  Gun, holster, permit.  Now she has to go take a class with Rachel.

Rachel – range time with my ARC practice group, growing the TFF community and website, teaching classes. Pretty sure I found my life partner…..my Glock 19. Check out my videos on Constitutional Carry and 3 things we must do to pass gun legislation. Be sure to show up to the Capitol on Friday, Jan. 13 at 3pm on the South steps if you can be in Austin….rally sponsored

Also, had a wonderful surprise on Christmas break!!!



Rachel- MAG20 in Austin Feb 11 and 12!

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

(June 24, 25th 2017.  Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced.  9am -5pm both days. Richmond, IL)

(August 10-13, 2017. MAG-40. Sioux Falls, SD)

(August 26 & 27, 2017. Beyond Concealed Carry Enhanced. Sioux Falls, SD)



2- News 1

Another win in the courtroom

Residents of Lower Merion Township, Pennsylvania received an early Christmas present from the Commonwealth Court.  In a 2-1 ruling, the appellate court ruled in favor of an injunction prohibiting the Township from enforcing a local gun ban.  


The suit filed by Firearm Owners Against Crime centers around a law enacted by the township in 2011.  This example of “we know better than you” legislation creates a $600 fine for carrying firearms on town-owned recreational property.  In fact, vast segments Pennsylvania government believe they know better than their subjects.  The Township’s rulers enacted this infringement in defiance of the state’s preemption law.  


Fortunately, two members of the Commonwealth Court’s three judge panel actually rule based on the law.  These judges agreed that refusing this injunction “would sanction the Township’s continued statutory violations.”


Unfortunately, the ruling was not unanimous.  The dissenting judge, Dan Pelligrini, cannot seem to understand the language of the statute.  The general rule is stated that, “No county, municipality or township may in any manner regulate the lawful ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of firearms…”  The court of original jurisdiction in this case also agrees with Judge Pelligrini.  Only courthouses and schools are prohibited by statute.  We hope this ruling will help to overturn Philadelphia’s illegal banning of firearms in city parks, as well.  


If former attorney general, Kathleen Kane, was not serving time, there is no doubt she would agree with Judge Pelligrini.  Kim Stolfer, president of FOAC, stated that, “these local laws are crimes just like burglary and assault and should be handled as such but District Attorney’s shirk their duty to enforce the law.”  


We are fighting nanny state legislators, activist judges and politically motivated district attorneys throughout our nation.  Current events have demonstrated that victory can be achieved through the ballot box.  However, a measure of personal accountability for public officials may help prevent their constant attempts to infringe upon the rights of the law abiding citizenry.


Rob-  The local pro-rights group who brought this suit can hold the local politicians liable.  Let’s see if politicians are above the law.


National concealed carry reciprocity bill introduced.

A bill has been introduced in the house that would finally make national concealed carry reciprocity a reality. The bill, (H.R.-38) mandates that if you have a concealed carry permit from one state that it is good in all states. No requirement for any kind of training is in the initial form of the bill.


Rob-  It is not up in PopVox yet (popvox.com).  I’m still worried about prohibiting firearms rather than carry licenses.  Do you own a CA or NJ compliant gun, mag, ammunition, gun safe…?  


Rachel-I’m glad it includes constitutional carry states. I still have concerns. Will it get messed up with amendments? Will it distract us from other gun issues like Rob mentioned? Will it be largely ineffective due to gun-free zones or other restrictions? Is it the even the place of the federal government to do this? If they can allow it they can also disallow it. I believe it’s a states issue that should stay with the states.

Full text: https://hudson.house.gov/uploads/Concealed%20Carry%20Reciprocity%20Act%20of%202017.pdf


Chicago sets a new record (and it isn’t something to be proud of)

2016 was a record setting year for the windy city. However this record is one they most likely didn’t want. 795 homicides and 4378 shootings were recorded in the city last year. This despite being among the cities with the most stringent gun laws in the country. President-elect Trump took to Twitter to show his displeasure with Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel. Trump tweeted “If Mayor can’t do it he must ask for Federal help!”


Chicago politics and a strong backlash against police have combined to create a situation where police are afraid of becoming the next viral video and have become much more hands off. This has allowed the murder rate to climb even higher than those of New York City and Los Angeles, both of which are larger cities.


Remember that Nevada “Universal background check” law?

Residents of Nevada have something to be happy about in the new year. The bill supported by the Bloomberg group that passed narrowly in November is written so poorly that it cannot be enforced. On December 28th the Nevada attorney general issued an opinion that the language of the bill as written makes people go through an FBI background check, except the FBI doesn’t do them in NV, the state police do. The FBI won’t (after a signed agreement that gave the NV state police the ability) and the law doesn’t give the state police the ability to act in the FBI’s place. That’s what you get when bad laws are written by people from other states that know nothing about how things work in your state.


Rachel-this is why it’s important to read the actual text of the bill – not just what the media or author say about it

Rob- Bloomberg paid $35 per vote in nevada, to win by one half of one percent.


Gun Quotes

The essence of good marksmanship is self-control, and self-control is the essence of good citizenship. It is too easy to say that a good shot is automatically a good man, but it would be equally incorrect to ignore the connection. – Jeff Cooper


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).



3- Interview 1


4- Interview 2


5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.


We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.


Robber sets gun down and gets shot

According to ABC 15 in Phoenix a 17 year old armed robber decided to rob a convenience store. The young thug walked in and pointed a gun at the clerk and demanded money.  When the clerk obeyed and handed over the contents of the register the young robber placed his gun on the counter to take the money. That is when the clerk drew and fired his own gun. The robber fled after being shot, but collapsed in the street outside. He was taken to a local hospital where he is expected to survive. Shockingly, police say that this is not the armed robbers first crime.


A DGU goes as well as can be expected.

An Austin, Texas man was understandably concerned on Christmas day when he heard a door close in his home. You see this man lives alone. Dennis Rainford, 39, had gained access to the home through the garage. The homeowner took out his gun and when the intruder passed by his bedroom door the homeowner pointed his gun at him and told Rainford to get out of the house.


Police found Rainford wearing a Santa hat and arrested him.


Rob- The grinch didn’t stop this christmas.


Wear the damned thing!

Our final DGU was emailed to us by one of our listeners, thank you Carl!

A Texas deputy Sheriff and his wife were on their way to a weekend deer hunt when they stopped to get gas. While the deputy was walking back to his car 2 men pulled into the gas station in a red pickup truck and approached and began beating the Deputy.  They had the deputy on the ground and one of them was kicking him in the face while the other was trying to get to his walet.


Luckily the Deputy’s wife had her handgun. She drew and began firing at the thugs as she exited her vehicle. The Deputy was then able to get to their vehicle and retrieve his gun and add to his wife’s fire on the retreating thugs.


The stolen vehicle that was used in the assault was discovered a few days later by the houston fire department, however no arrests have yet been made.


Rachel- Dude. You live in Texas, you’re on your way to a hunt, I’m sure you drive a truck….what the heck is wrong with you…keep your gun on! Good thing his wife had his back!


Rob- Multiple shots fired and all were misses.



6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob-  Armed civilians saved lives in december



For new gun owners- the first steps are the biggest (your first firearms class)



Human rights versus california politicians- which right of self-defense do we have?



The good news review of 2016 for gun owners.



Clash Daily.  Ammoland.  Slowfacts. That is at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money


John Richardson has a number of good posts at his blog, only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.


Paul- We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.


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