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1- Open and Personal News Segment
2- News Segment
3- FASTER Program
4- Why the TSA must go
5- DGU Segment:
6- Email and Show Close:
Paul: Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Saturday, July 2nd, 2016. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show I’ll talk about teachers who are armed with bullets and bandages in the classroom.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a subway murderer in Chicago with 45 prior arrests.
Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about another nightclub shooting…with a difference… so climb aboard
Rob: strap in
John : and hang on!
Paul: episode 381 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.
Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)
Rob- Thank you for putting out some great episodes while I was off getting blisters. I trained with Chris Cerino. That class was put on by the Buckeye Firearms Foundation’s FASTER program that trains school teachers to carry guns and bandages in the classroom. Trained with Paul Carlson and got to shoot with Dr. John Edeen. I spoke on Lock and Load Radio with Bill Frady, and I put out two more episodes of Self-Defense Gun Stories.
John – I missed being on the last show because I was touring colleges in North Carolina with my niece Grace. We visited my alma mater Guilford College and had a private tour of Wake Forest University by Prof. David Yamane – GunCulture2.0 blog – who has been on the show in the past. Guilford’s campus looked similar but I’m afraid it is infested with SJWs. (Proposal to have professors publicly confess their racism)
Rob- This Grace is not Olivia Grace we’ve heard so much about.
In better news, I finished assembling my Charlie Foxtrot DMR AR-15. Last summer I got to meet Charlie in person and something he said about Designated Marksman Rifles spurred my interest. I bought virtually all the parts over the year on one sale or another. I plan to take it out Monday to sight it in and wring it out. I am also thinking of sending in a Form 1 to the ATF to build my own suppressor. I’ve been doing a lot of reading on it and it is easier than you’d think.
Paul/Susan Range trip last weekend. New glasses.
Promo about upcoming training classes here. I plan on asking each co host why they train. Leaning toward we all train in case the worst case scenario happens. I plan on pushing the handgun retention class because this is the worst of the worst case scenarios.
2- News 1
Who said the Police will protect you? CTA Killer of Young Mother Had 45 Prior Arrests.
In The City of Peace, aka Chicago, a young mother of two was brutally murdered, while fellow subway passengers recorded the assault on their smartphones. No one came to her aid as she begged for mercy while being stabbed repeatedly by her ex. Finally, he slit her throat. Jessica Hampton, 25, bled her life out onto the dirty floor of a Chicago Transit Authority subway car. Her alleged killer, Arthur Jones, 29, has been charged with murder, as well as aggravated battery of a police officer and attempting to disarm an officer. He is being held without bond. Finally.
Finally, because Chicago is complicit in her murder. Chicago authorities long ignored the obvious threat of this man and his crimes. Jones had accumulated 45 arrests in his short life, and yet was still allowed to prowl the streets. His record includes an arrest last year for carrying a knife in the same Chicago subway. However, the Cook County State’s Attorney declined to prosecute that crime, as well as a host of others.
In the Anti-Gun Paradise of Chicago, the citizens are largely disarmed and powerless, while criminals are free to roam amongst them, unrestrained by the same government.
We are on our own – there is no one else for us.
Paul – Gary correct me if I am wrong, but even if she had a concealed carry permit and a gun she wouldn’t have been able to carry on the train right?
Rob- She is another victim of Illinois’ anti gun politicians and the voters who put them in office. Damn them. Here is video of the news story.
Paul – I am disgusted by the people who took video and did not help
John – It is a failure of prosecutors who fail to put away violent criminal actors. Anita Alvarez should be ashamed of herself.
You think the governor did this for your safety? Missouri Governor Vetoes Constitutional Carry
Missouri’s outgoing Governor has vetoed the state’s Constitutional Carry bill. Widely perceived as “Obama in a Pillsbury Doughboy suit,” Jay Nixon denied permitless carry to the state’s citizens, as well as a enhancements to the Stand Your Ground and Castle Doctrine laws. Bill SB 656 would have also given members of the military extra time to renew their carry permits. Nixon’s leftist lean was reinforced by the Bloomberg shills of Everytown with Demanding Mommies who funded the disingenuous advertising campaign.
It’s likely the Missouri Legislature will vote to override the veto in September. However, the bill was passed in the Senate with a just a single vote greater than needed for an override. Happily, the margin in the House was much larger. It is a certainty that Bloomberg money will again flow into the state to buy Senate votes and advertising. That being said, the Ferguson-stained Governor is in his last year and is not popular with the Legislature nor the voting public. The Constitutional Carry bill continues to enjoy significant support in the populace.
John – Outside of parts of St. Louis and KC, the state is pro-gun.
Tennessee says gun free zones will now cost the property owner. If a gun owner in Tennessee has a permit to carry, disarms himself to enter a gun free zone, and is injured by an attacker, then the gun owner can sue the person or entity who stripped them of their right to self defense.
Here are the requirements- You can demand restitution if-
You were authorized to carry a gun at the time of the incident
You were prohibited from carrying a firearm due to the posting of a gun-free sign
And, the property was not required to be posted by state or federal law and the property owner posted the no-gun sign by choice.
Would our Tennessee listeners see if there is still a sign outside the Waffle House restaurants that says to leave your guns outside?
Paul – GREAT job Tennessee,
John – I see a new opportunity for plaintiff’s/personal injury lawyers here!
There is more to say about gun free zones. The mass murder at a gay nightclub by a muslim was a tragedy. President Obama said it would have been even worse if the people inside the nightclub were armed for their own defense. When asked, Hillary Clinton rejected armed self-defense and continued her call to disarm civilians. In contrast, Donald Trump called for the end of gun free zones. The American people agree with Trump.
-45 percent of registered Democrats think that more concealed carriers would help stop terrorism.
-Law enforcement is a stronger advocate for an armed defense. Eighty-six percent of full time law enforcement officers who responded to a police-one survey said allowing legally armed citizens to carry guns would reduce casualties when murderers attack gun-free zones.
-The MSNBC network ran a poll asking if people should be allowed to carry guns in public. The ratio was 22 to 1 in favor of civilians being armed.
Police and civilians know the truth.. And Socialist Politicians continue to deny it.
John – I want to recommend listeners check out the most recent episode of Mad Dogs and Englishmen podcast. They point out how the US and foreign media covered the attack. US = Mass shooting; BBC = terrorist attack.
Paul – I want to mention that the MSNBC poll was not scientific. But does point out how much more passionate we are than the other side
Greg Ellifritz – RSS https://feeds.feedburner.com/ActiveResponseTraining
But wait, there is more about gun free zones- A California School Board now welcomes concealed carriers onto their campuses. The board of the Kern County High School District was unanimous. Any concealed carry holder can ask the school superintendent to carry on campus. Once they receive that permission, concealed carry holders can carry on any high school campuses, any district property and at any school-sponsored events. One of the school board trustees said, “..I think the superintendent is pretty clear. He would need a good reason to deny somebody.”
Unfortunately, the school board policy does not include school employees. The vote on arming school employees comes next month.
In late breaking news, yesterday California Gov. Jerry Brown signed six out of 11 anti-gun bills hastily passed by the California Assembly. While he vetoed “ghost guns” and stolen firearm notification, he signed bills that create a registry of ammo owners, ban loaning of guns between family members and friends, ban the bullet button, adds non-violent misdemeanors as a prohibiting factor for gun purchases, and, last but not least, bans possession of all magazines with more than a 10-round capacity.
Our friends at the Firearms Policy Coalition have much more on this debacle.
Rob- They outlawed semi-auto rifles that have removable magazines. There is already a work around. You replace the mag release with a new part that makes your AR-15 california legal again. The link is in our show notes.
Rob- I propose a U-Haul Reload.
Gun Quotes- Democrats are unlikely to talk Republicans out of gun ownership because it comes off as ‘Put down your gun so I can shoot you.’ Scott Adams (Dilbert)
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back to talk about trained teachers saving lives in schools.
3- Interview 1
Rob about FASTER Program-
This is a range report, but it isn’t about a new gun.
I spent several days with a group of Ohio teachers who want to protect their students. These teachers learned to stop an armed attack in their schools. The training program is called Faculty/Administrator Safety Training and Emergency Response (FASTER). The Buckeye Firearms Foundation in Ohio sponsors FASTER and pays for the advanced training.
The school teachers learned to treat the injured. Rather than shelter in place and wait for the police and EMTs to save them, these teachers became the good guy with a gun and bandages. The training program is a success. Today, the volunteer organization that trains teachers doesn’t have enough money to train everyone who wants instruction. These men and women do it for love and they need our help to do more.
Most of us would risk our lives to protect our own family. These teachers go the extra mile: they risk their lives for someone else’s children. They train now, on their own time, so they are ready to be an anonymous protector when they are needed. The training course I took was full of exactly the people we want to defend our children. They were school board members, police officers and janitors. I saw school administrators, teachers and staff from both public and private schools. Now they are the first responders when a murderous mad man tries to hurt our children.
I had a beer with a school principal who said this, “I’m a teacher. Parents trust me with their children’s lives. I can’t hide behind a locked door and let these kids die.” I believe him.
It costs the teachers time and money. Before they are accepted into the program, the teachers and staff usually get their concealed carry permits on their own. The teachers also buy their own firearms and holsters. The FASTER training from Buckeye Firearms Foundation is usually a prerequisite to carry a loaded firearm on campus.
The teachers and volunteers from Buckeye Firearms do it for love. Only love could make them shake with emotion during a mock exercise in a high school. Their hands go where their heart leads.
We walked into a school where we were going to conduct force on force training. I was standing next to a teacher who whispered,
“This looks just like my school. Is this the day I have to use bare hands and improvised weapons to stop an armed murderer in my school?”
Here are some facts you need to know. We need these armed teachers everywhere. 24 percent of active shooter incidents are in schools. Teachers and staff are already fighting back. 60 percent of the active shooters die or are killed before police arrive. For bad reasons, we deny the adults at our schools the right to protect the children entrusted to their care. We attract murderers to our schools by disarming the good guys.
Fires don’t belong on campus, but we have fire extinguishers and fire drills. Cuts and bruises don’t belong on campus, but we keep first aid supplies at hand. Trained responders belong on campus so our children and teachers are protected and rescued when murderers attack them. It really is that simple.
“Would you rather the murderer shoot students or engage a defender?”
Emergency Medical Technicians taught the class about emergency trauma care. Adults can bleed-out from a treatable injury in seconds. We have a minute to restore breathing. Children have less. Seconds count, and the reality is that police and EMTs are many minutes away. Give the killer more time and he will kill more people. Trained responders can stop the killing and save the injured. The sooner the attacker is stopped the more people are saved. Time is everything.
“Paramedics didn’t treat the injured at the Sandy Hook Elementary School for 45 minutes. It took them over three hours to deliver aid after the Orlando nightclub murders.”
About 600 teachers and staff have already taken this training. All but two Ohio counties have sent school staff for FASTER training. We already have thousands of man-years of real world experience with armed staff so we know the program is safe and effective. The program is a model for other states. Then the program ran into a new problem.
“FASTER isn’t about guns in schools. FASTER is about saving lives.”
The Buckeye Firearms Foundation pays for the training classes. They pay for the ammunition in the basic classes. They pay for lodging away from home. They pay for the trauma kits that teachers take back to school. Today, the donations aren’t coming in fast enough to meet the demand for training. Isn’t that a good problem to have?
Buckeye Firearms Foundation is a non-profit organization. For obvious reasons, the Buckeye Firearms Foundation is reluctant to take government funds. Their teacher training program needs help from each of us today.
These teachers will save lives and we all want to do that. Here is our chance. Make a donation. Here are the links where you can learn about the FASTER program and donate. After you donate, ask your company and your civic clubs to become regular donors too.
“If not me, then who? If not now, then when?”
These school teachers are willing to pay with their lives to protect our children. You can afford a few bucks a month to train them.
4- Interview 2
Paul – Rant about TSA
Rob- TSA is security theater. Screening fails 95 percent of the time to find firearms and explosives deliberately placed in luggage.
The rules don’t make sense. As a legal gun owner, I can’t carry a loaded magazine in your checked and declared gun case. Paul does the gun dance as he goes into different states. When you fly, you have to do the ammo dance as you load and unload your self-defense ammunition. Bring your own ammo case that secures each cartridge. I have to find out if I can wear my magazine carrier and holster through the TSA check point.
John – Where do you attack? Chokepoints! Shunning.
Another Nightclub Shooting – With a Difference
There was yet another attempted mass murder at a nightclub. However, this time there was no pile of bodies. The difference? One of the intended victims had a gun.
Jody Ray Thompson got into a tiff with another man outside South Carolina’s Playoffz nightclub. His response was to pull a gun and fire multiple rounds at the crowd in front of the nightclub. Three victims fell from the impact of the bullets. A fourth drew his legally concealed carry weapon and returned fire, hitting Thompson in the leg; taking him down and out of the fight.
It took arriving deputies a significant amount of time to determine who the actual attacker was. Witnesses and video recording finally implicated Thompson and exonerated the CCW carrier. The licensed carrier will not be charged and Thompson will face four counts of attempted murder, possession of a weapon during the commission of a violent crime, and unlawful carrying of a weapon. Happily, the three wounded will recover from their injuries.
Of significant interest is the establishment media’s reaction to the near tragedy. Initial reports breathlessly announced another nightclub shooting and eagerly tallied the number of victims. Then, as the inconvenient truth became apparent, the story was rapidly dropped down the memory hole. A legal CCW holder stopping an assault just doesn’t fit their narrative.
We, however, are happy to bring you this important news, even if the elites would rather not have you hear it.
John – From T-Rex Arms on responding to a mass shooting/terrorist attack: https://www.facebook.com/trexarmskydex/videos/1788035428099801/
Rob- Murderers are vulnerable.
Paul – tunnel vision can work for you too
Father Shoots Daughter’s Ex in the Leg
A daughter will always be daddy’s little girl. An elderly Albuquerque, New Mexico father showed the truth in that statement when he stood between his adult child and an armed and violent ex-boyfriend.
Lee Brandenburg, 40, had a long record of threatening his ex-girlfriend. The threats so unnerved the woman that she moved in with her father. That didn’t matter to Brandenburg, who busted through the home’s front window. It should have, as the home’s 76-year-old resident was armed – and he shot the intruder several times in the leg .
Police finally arrived to take the wounded Brandenburg to the hospital. After his release, Brandenburg will be charged with aggravated battery and — possibly — for violating the restraining order. The father will not be charged.
Parenting: You’re doing it right.
Rob- Was that intentional that he shot in the legs?
Elderly Woman Shoots a Juvenile Intruder on the Porch
A 76-year-old woman was forced to shoot when three juveniles attempted to break into her home. Dayton Police Lt. Mark Ponichtera told of arriving to find a male “who had been shot in the porch.” (Getting shot in one’s porch is no fun.) The police responded to the scene after a 911 call where the elderly victim said; “A man is breaking into my house. They broke out my window and lit up my screen. I shot a shot and I don’t know whether I hit one or not.”
She had indeed connected with a criminal. The suspect was rushed to a hospital with grave, life-threatening injuries. The other two suspects fled, but were tracked by a K-9 to a nearby home and arrested. Police say they have recovered some important evidence.
Under Ohio’s Castle Doctrine law, if someone unlawfully enters or attempts to enter an occupied home, the citizens are presumed to have acted in self defense, and will not be second-guessed by the State. Fortunate, as It was the elderly woman acting in self-defense, with a gun, that allowed the her to save herself when far overmatched by three young hoodlums.
Rob- You must know your target before you shoot. And down here in the south, we keep our porches covered.
Paul – I want to reiterate what Rob said, also you could go to prison if your round goes into the wrong target.
Woman Finds Monster Under Her Bed – And Shoots It
The monster-under-the-bed is a childish fantasy. A Nashville woman learned a restraining order can be a dangerous fantasy when she found a real life monster under her bed.
The woman discovered the unwelcome guest when she returned from telling her neighbor to beware of her ex-boyfriend. He was dangerous and had already caused the police to be called to the home. At that moment, the ex was taking advantage of the installation of an alarm system to sneak in the open house and hide under the bed. A restraining order and three prior violations had done nothing to restrain him.
In the woman’s words, when she saw her ex-boyfriend under her bed, she knew it was either her or him. Fortunately, she could supplement the useless restraining order, and…. she shot him. The ex sustained non-life threatening wounds and will be charged with the prior violations of the restraining order as well as additional offenses. Police indicated that the empowered victim shot in self-defense and should not face charges.
Gee, sometimes a horror fantasy has a happy ending.
Rob- Charlie Foxtrot does our writing. Well done for putting this monster under the bed story together.
Shoot-out, Aisle Three!
You can get anything you want at Wal-Mart. Apparently that includes money, drugs and a gunfight. And if you’re lucky, you’ll also get a pair of brave concealed carriers.
A quiet Sunday afternoon’s drug deal in the Augusta, Maine Wal-Mart’s parking lot went seriously sideways, resulting in an exchange of gunfire between the two cars parked side by side. One man got out to take the fight to the other car. However, that fight was stopped by two armed shoppers who had been watching the fracas develop.
Police arrived minutes later to take official control of the situation. All participants refused medical assistance, even though bloody trails could be seen amongst the scattered shell casings. The four have been charged with a variety of offenses, including heroin trafficking, reckless conduct with a firearm, aggravated assault, providing heroin, and (hey, who could have guessed:) parole violations. Two additional suspects are said to have fled into the woods and are being sought. The two good Samaritans have not been charged, although the investigation is continuing.
“I’m proud of my husband for what he did, for stepping in and getting involved and making sure people were safe,” said Carrie Chavvane. Licensed concealed carrier Daniel Chavanne was leaving the store with his wife and kids, and took matters into his own hands. Another armed shopper came to Chavanne’s aid.
Police complimented the bravery of the two civilians. “In this case, it turned out fine and they did prevent anything further from happening,” said Lt. Massey. However, the police do not encourage armed interventions. “We don’t know as we get there who’s who.” Something to think about when responding to a developing situation which could require lethal force. Sometimes discretion IS the better part of valor.
We sincerely applaud the courage of the two men.
Paul – If I am not certain of who is the good guy is I am not certain that I am going to open fire. I very well may try to stop the situation
Gary- Recognize the good guys.
Rob- Mall shooting at Trolley Square, Utah. The two defenders recognized themselves.
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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close
Voice mail by Carl-
D-day. Dad landed on the beach on D-day and would have been 100 years old today.
Listener e-mail discussion
I hope you are all well. I’ve been getting serious about using my Glock 19 for self defense, instead of just square range plinking, so I’m kinda starting over with the basics and trying to learn the right way to do things. I’ve never had formal training (I did take the NRA basic pistol class with my wife, and the LTC class, but neither taught me how to shoot), so I signed up for a two day class in August on defensive handgun use and trauma care, to jump start things. I’ve been practicing each week at the range on sight alignment and trigger pull, but this is where I have a nagging question. Are you suppose to shoot with one eye open or two? I realized that I have only been using one, but doing a little research on the web and asking the Police Officer that runs the range I go to, leads me to believe I should be shooting with both eyes open. I could really use some constructive input. I recently tried shooting with both open, and well, I didn’t do too well. But, I am willing to retrain myself if I can figure out the proper way to do it.
Another question, maybe for another episode, has to do with over 50 shooting with regards to using the sights when you can no longer bring the front sight into sharp focus, any tips? I’m over 50, so mentally focusing on the front site is possible, but it is just a blur. I did put oversized speed sights on my G19, which help me with sight alignment (large blurry diamonds rather than blurry stock sights), but this has all been a challenge.
Thank you very much. The podcast is great; I really value the diverse backgrounds of everyone on the show, it adds a lot to each topic you discuss.
Rob- Thank you for getting training and getting your concealed carry license. I use two eyes open at close range. I am very right eye dominant. One eye at distance, and I don’t know when or how I transition. You can shoot accurately by having a focus on the target and with the sights out of focus. I’m going to consider a red-dot reflex sight for us old people.
Paul – It depends on how dominant your eyes are.
John – Here is the company I used http://www.decot.com/ for shooting glasses.
Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob- I wrote an article about armed teachers in schools. I also wrote about the armed civilians who stopped mass murder in May. Those articles and more are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and on my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.
John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money
I have a number of posts up regarding the goings on in Washington and Sacramento and gun control post-Orlando. I would like to point out a post called Be Prepared that discusses gun free zones and your options if you have to be in one. I’m not saying to break the law but you should know the laws in your state and any states in which you are traveling. I also pointed out that no guns doesn’t have to mean no weapons.
That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.
We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com
Recipe choices – Asparagus Macaroni Loaf, Head cheese, Jellied Chicken, Vienna Sausage Shortcake, Pickle Stretcher Salad, or Klingon Gagh (Gawk)
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, and Rob,
(Paul, stop talking now)
Rob: Until the next time…
Gary: stay safe,
Sue: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.
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