Episode 374 – Bob Mayne Talks Training

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1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment 1:

3- News Segment 2:

4- Interview Segment 1: Guest Bob Mayne

5- Interview Segment 2: Guest Bob Mayne

6- DGU Segment 1:

7 DGU Segment 2:

8- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday April 21st 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop.

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Instructor and Podcaster Bob Mayne about teaching self – defense.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about a judge who allowed the Sandy Hook lawsuit to continue forward

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we find out that apparently you CAN get a CCW in New York City, if you pay the price..

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in our DGU segment we have another “Don’t torque off the old guy story! .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 374 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- I did not carry all day every day.  I was traveling and I also had to take my wife to the hospital.  She is fine, but I had to leave my gun at home each time I was in the waiting room.  That left me thinking of the doctors I know who are disarmed at work every day.  I’m still reading the two books on the second amendment.. And carrying almost every day.  We put out another podcast this morning of Self-Defense Gun Stories.  The firearms instructor for this episode was Tony Simon. We had our 6 thousandth download.  Oh, and I was on the Lock and Load Radio program with Bill Frady  As you might expect, we talked about self-defense gun stories.


John – I’ve started reading Laura Carno’s new book How Government Ruins Everything and I like it. Having sent in my tax returns on Sunday night, it makes me grit my teeth thinking of all that money being wasted. On a happier note,  I will be attending a gathering of gun bloggers in East Tennessee the weekend after next organized by Dennis Badurina of Dragon Leatherworks. I’m trying to decide what to bring in the way of firearms. We will be spending Saturday at the range. I’m still trying to decide what to bring beyond an AR or two and a couple of revolvers. Any suggestions?



  • Much less busy….only like 55 hours of work this week, 1 kid, no football.
  • Almost made it to the range. Well, drove into it, almost made it out of the car to shoot.
  • Considered buying ammo for this really cool course I have coming up in South Dakota
  • Met with an activist to coach her on getting stuff done at the RPT state convention. Realized that’s the kind of thing I live for: helping people find processes to use their skills to accomplish their goals to give their lives meaning. <3

(Bullet strikes again. 😉 )


Gary – What training do you have coming up?

Instructors spend time at the range but don’t always get to shoot </3

Ben Branam shared this video on Facebook and what starts as an investigative stop of someone walking down the highway turns into a suicide by cop incident. While the article has many good points, there is one aspect not covered. As we all learned in our concealed carry or MAG40 classes, human nature is to want to explain what happened, but we need to shut up. As a fellow officer removes the officer involved in the shooting from the immediate scene 7:35 into the video the officer starts to explain what happened. The probably senior officer quickly tells him to stop talking, there will be time to talk about it later, as this is what officers are trained to do.

Rob- Would the officer been as accommodating to a civilian involved shooting?


Paul/Susan – Paul – My student tested out and got his own truck yesterday. I am really proud of this guy. He had some real challenges, but worked really hard while he was with me and did what it took. I have rarely had a student with such a great working attitude.


He had the truck driving equivalent of training scars. In a truck you NEVER press on the throttle while you let the clutch out. That’s a great way to ruin a heavy duty clutch in a hurry. Even from a dead stop fully loaded uphill the truck has enough torque at idle to start you rolling just by letting the clutch out. This guy had driven gas engine clutch transmissions all of his life, including racing mud trucks. A gas engine by and large doesn’t have enough torque to do that, so for all of his driving life he had been pressing the accelerator as he let out the clutch, thereby making the truck rock and jolt when he did it in the big truck. It took a LONG time but we were finally able to get that habit broken and a more positive one in place.


Promo about upcoming training classes here.


2- News 1


Judge allows suit against Sandy Hook gun maker to advance



A Connecticut judge ruled Thursday April 14th that a lawsuit against the manufacturer of the gun used in the Sandy Hook shootings, and other companies, can move forward.

A Connecticut Superior Court judge denied a motion to dismiss the lawsuit against the companies involved in the manufacturing, distribution and sale of the rifle used in the deadly 2012 shootings.

Adam Lanza used a Bushmaster AR-15 rifle in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shootings on Dec. 14, 2012 to kill 26 people in less than five minutes. The families of the victims, which included 20 children, have sued the maker, distributor and seller of the rifle, arguing that the military-style gun should have never been available for civilians to purchase.

Connecticut State Judge Barbara Bellis rejected the gun companies’ argument that a 2005 federal law can protect gun businesses from civil lawsuits.

“We are thrilled that the gun companies’ motion to dismiss was denied. The families look forward to continuing their fight in court,” Josh Koskoff, the plaintiffs’ lead attorney, said in a statement.

Remington Arms Co., the manufacturer of the rifle, is named in the suit. Also named is Camfour Inc., a distributor of firearms, and the now-defunct Riverview Gun Sales, a dealer in East Windsor, Conn., that sold the rifle to Lanza’s mother in 2010.

Both sides of the case went back to court Tuesday April 19.


Gary – The trial trial begins on April 3, 2018 in two years with monthly meetings at the courthouse plus depositions and discovery; costing money, money and more money. Shortly after then we will hear the tragedy of the families that brought this suit having to pay the legal fees of Remington, although with this judge, she may ignore the law on that point as well.


John – I wouldn’t get too upset about it. All she said was that her court did have jurisdiction. The plaintiffs can still seek a motion to strike which would stop the suit in its tracks.



Rob- A maryland court ruled that ARs are exotic.. Even though they are the most popular rifle sold.  This is a judge ruling that there are two classes of US citizens.  Government agents can have automatic rifles, and civilians can’t.


Paul – even if this judge rules and finds for the plaintiffs it is likely to be struck down on appeal

John – I’d point out the Maryland ct was a Federal ct and the CT court was at the state level. In the past, the US Atty would have moved to have the case to Federal court.

Rob- Well funded plaintiffs will target small business in order to set a precedent.

It is official: You can get away with SWATting in Ohio. from Miggy

A special prosecutor is refusing to charge Ronald Ritchie for the deceptive 911 call that he made that left two people dead in Beavercreek, Ohio in 2014. Put bluntly, Ritchie’s false claims SWATted John Crawford to death, and he’s going to get away with it. A special prosecutor declined to prosecute the 911 caller who reported a man waving a gun in a Beavercreek Wal-Mart before police fatally shot the shopper, who’d picked up an air rifle from a shelf.

Special Prosecutor Mark Piepmeier released the decision on Monday.

In his decision, Piepmeier stated that a Green County grand jury heard all of the evidence of the shooting on Aug. 5, 2014, including the actions of the caller, and had the authority to indict anyone they believed had criminal culpability in the shooting, including the caller. However, the grand jury did not bring charges.

Piepmeier also said, “The original call was basically, ‘I’m at the Beavercreek Walmart and there is a man walking about with a gun in the store.’” The remainder of his conversations was mostly answers in response to questions from a dispatcher.”

Piepmeier’s findings state that the charge of making false alarms requires that the defendant knew the information he was transmitting was false, but Piepmeier did not find any evidence that the caller knew any of the information was false.

Put bluntly, Piepmeier is full of crap.

Ritchie had to know he was exaggerating when he claimed that Crawford was loading the rifle, as the magazine on the BB gun was fixed, and molded into the frame.

Ritchie had to know he was exaggerating—I’d go so far as to opine that he was intentionally lying—when he claimed Crawford pointed the BB gun at people. It simply did not happen in the store’s security camera footage, which was synched to Ritchie’s 911 call.

Thanks to Ritchie’s deceptive call, officers thought they were responding to a real threat instead of a guy holding a product that the store sold who was benignly talking on the phone. As a result, Beavercreek police officer Sean Williams shot Crawford to death while Crawford was on the phone. Security camera footage suggests that Crawford never even knew anyone was there until Williams’ slammed two bullets through his body. A woman named Angela Williams was in the store and panicked when she heard the officer’s gunfire and attempted to flee the store with her children.

Williams had a heart attack and died, another death we can attribute to Ritchie’s deceptive call.

Vile, rabid gun control groups like the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence actively advocate the practice of SWATting gun owners. By refusing to prosecute Ritchie, Special Prosecutor Mark Piepmeier is effectively “green-lighting” SWATting in Ohio.

When the next innocent person is SWATted to death in Ohio, hold the gutless Piepmeier accountable.


John – Not that I like race baiters like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton but why weren’t they involved in this case. A black man was SWATted by a anti-gun white guy. Oh, wait. They favor gun control. Never mind.

Rob- We know the police have no duty to protect.  Do police have any duty not to shoot the innocent?

Gary –

John – I just hope Crawford’s family sues the pants off of the SWATter.



The French interior minister spoke this week.  He said that the ministry had learned important lessons from the violent muslim attacks on Paris and on Brussels.  The minister guaranteed that police and military anti-terrorism units would now respond to any militant attack in under 20 minutes.


Excuse me?  20 minutes?  20 minutes is a very long time.  Twenty minutes is long enough for any terrorist organization to take control of any concert venue, any soccer stadium or any major hotel.  They could have killed hundreds of people in 20 minutes.  They could have planted bombs and prepared hardened position in 20 minutes.  It sound to us that the interior minister didn’t learn his lesson at all.


Comments- The french make such sweet promises, and don’t keep them.

Rob- the lesson for the french people is that their government finds them expendable.

Gary – an armed citizenry are the distributed defense that is always at the scene of the crime.

Rachel – The french could invite a US pizza chain to also deliver guns.  That way they would arrive in less than 10 minutes.

Rob- Amazon can deliver guns by drones to disarmed French citizens.


The Obama Administration’s gun running operation called “Fast and Furious is back in the news. After years of delay, Judge Amy Berman ordered the Department of Justice to produce documents for Congress. The DOJ finally produced 20,000 pages this month.  These documents show the corruption we’d always suspected.


Here is a recap before we describe the recent revelations.  The Obama administration used the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, and the State department to run 2000 guns to Mexican drug gangs.  Those guns killed hundreds of Mexican citizens and several US border guards.


Obama refused to release documents when the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform tried to investigate.  Recent documents show the extraordinary lengths to which senior Department officials went to keep information from Congress. Further, the documents reveal how senior Justice Department officials—including Attorney General Eric Holder—intensely followed and managed an effort to carefully limit and obstruct the information produced to Congress.


Attorney General Eric Holder and his subordinates:

  1. Repeatedly claimed the charges of gunwalking in Arizona were false and refused to adjust the official position even after documents and evidence showed otherwise.
  2. The Obama administration politicized decisions about how and whether to comply with the congressional investigation.
  3. The US department of justice methodically devised strategies to redact or otherwise withhold relevant information about the scandal from Congress and the public.
  4. The DOJ tried to isolate the fallout from the Fast and Furious scandal to ATF leadership and the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona.. Even though the senior officials knew about the operation.
  5. The Obama administration called itself the most transparent administration in history, yet it created a toxic culture of animosity towards congressional oversight.


Gary – We know of a border agent killed because the gun was left at the scene, how many more where the criminal took the gun with him.


John – I’d like to recognize the role that bloggers David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh played in forcing F&F into the open. Mike, by the way, is in his last days. His docs have given him 4 week or less to live. Please keep him and his family in your prayers.


Rob- Socialists in Congress and the media repeatedly told us that this was partisan Republican muck-raking.  It wasn’t.  Evidence shows that whistleblowers were right.


It isn’t what you know that counts in New York City.  It is who you know, and how much you pay them, that counts.  Our regular listeners know it is hard to get a permit to own a gun in New York City.  It is impossible for ordinary people in the city to get a license to carry a firearm in public.  That rule has exceptions for people who are large political donors and for celebrities, but many of these people rent their own armed security details anyway.  Lesser human beings like us have to pay off the police.


In this recent case, they paid an orthodox Jew who helped other orthodox jews and other business owners get firearms and concealed carry permits.  What they wanted was what we all want, and what most of us in the rest of the United States already have.  They wanted the right to keep and bear arms to protect themselves, their family, and their colleagues.  In most states that takes a permit application and a couple of dollars.   In New York city, it takes a couple months and a pocket full of money for bribes.


Both the middleman and the corrupt police officers were charged.


Rob – New York has a may issue permit scheme.  That means it is up to the discretion of the law enforcement officers if they will, or will not, issue a permit.  That scheme was  used New York City to deny guns to minorities.  Now it is used for bribes.  The may-issue system works for the police.  It works for politicians, and for those with wealth and power.  I have to ask, is bribery a fault in the system, or was it there all along, for years and years, exactly by design?


Gary – You and I don’t want corruption, or should I say, more corruption, in the New York City Police Department.  It isn’t clear that anyone with a permit committed any criminal act other than having to ransom their rights back from the city.  Who is guilty here, the person who took their rights, or the citizen who bought them back?


Paul- I have a prediction.  The citizens will be charged and convicted.  The police officers will keep their jobs. And the judges will look the other way and continue the May-Issue permit system.  That is how prohibition works.


If you think that our universities are full of anti-gun professors, you would be right. The Chronicle of Higher Education is like the Wall Street Journal for universities. In an article listed under “Advice”, a professor from an unnamed western college using the pseudonym Myrtle Lynn Payne admits she is conflicted about writing a letter of recommendation for teacher credentials for Sarah. You see, Sarah has shot an AK-47 and (gasp) liked it. Moreover, she plans to get her concealed carry permit. While Payne had promised Sarah the letter, now she is unsure because she doesn’t know if she is a gun right advocate or if she is in touch with her emotions. So she is asking her colleagues what to do. What should we tell Myrtle?


John – I have a solution for Myrtle – resign! She is at that college to educate students and not to indoctrinate them. BTW where did she get the name Myrtle? It was my aunt’s name and no girl born in the last 50 years has been named Myrtle.


Rob- I agree with John.  The professor is intolerant of a diverse student body.  The professor can’t control her bigotry and she should resign or be forced to leave the faculty.


Rachel- I could write a book about all the problems that led to this issue. Instead I’d just like to say, it’s sad that shooting a firearm and enjoying it is such a shocking and strange thing in someone’s mind.

Rob- You write it, Rachel.  John and I will post your rant on our blogs.


It’s not just the professors that are anti-rights on the nation’s campuses


Back on April 13th some students at the University of South Alabama were holding a protest. Nothing new here right? Well this was an empty holster protest to bring to light the fact that students were defenseless while on campus. One of the students, D.J. Patten, the president of the local chapter of Students for Concealed Carry, was interviewed by campus policeman David Turrpa. Turrpa told the student that since he had been a student there since 2014 he knew that there were rules prohibiting weapons of any kind on the campus, then despite the fact that there are no rules saying that holsters are not allowed on campus he proceeded to cite Patten for violating the student code of conduct by engaging in activities that threaten the safety of the campus community.


Two days later, after the video of the incident surfaced on YouTube, the chief of campus police called Mr. Patten to tell him that the citation should never have been written and that it was withdrawn. An internal investigation into the matter is being conducted by the campus police and officer Turrpa has been suspended without pay for 5 days.


Paul – please check our show notes and look at the YouTube video. The attitudes shown by the campus police are horrific. I was expecting them to draw down on the 2 students at any second at the beginning of the video. Both of these officers need much more than a 5 day suspension they need to have their next job entail the words “would you like fries with that?”


Rob- One of the shows recent guests has recently been elected as chapter president for Students for Concealed Carry in Florida.  Congratulations to Shayna Lopez Rivas.


Gun Quotes

If, in the opinion of the people, the distribution or modification of the constitutional powers be in any particular wrong, let it be corrected by an amendment in the way which the Constitution designates. But let there be no change by usurpation; for though this, in one instance, may be the instrument of good, it is the customary weapon by which free governments are destroyed. ~ George Washington, Farewell Address, 1796


Gary – I found this definition of Usurpation; A wrongful seizure or exercise of authority or privilege belonging to another; an encroachment. Boy those founding fathers had a way with words that needed no explanation and yet our rights are being usurped almost daily by the President, judges and lawmakers alike.


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).



4- Interview 1 – Bob Mayne

What makes a good trainer, and why it is important for the trainer to continue to train and to take outside instruction?

Instructors need to train to keep their skills sharp.. At least once a year.

There are advanced techniques.. Techniques that are more than the basics performed to a higher standard.


For someone aspiring to become an instructor, at what point should he consider himself ready to begin teaching? How can he measure his mastery and assess his readiness to begin teaching??


Comments on instructor classes vs. mentoring method to become an instructor?


Why do students finally seek training?



5- Interview 2-

Bob Mayne unhooked

SA vs DA

Blame Ben Branam Sig229 legion

Single action/double action test

How do students select their training? (hollywood or reading M Ayoob?)


What student questions perplex you?


What teachers inspire you?


What students inspire you?

Those who are willing to learn and try


Do most of your students practice between classes?


The guns should your students should avoid.. But don’t?

A gun that doesn’t work and a gun they can’t run.


Bob, I’m going to bug you again about coming to teach in WI/IL


6- DGUs



A man stopped two men assaulting a security guard in the parking lot of a Home Depot hardware store in Texas. Armed with a pistol, the man held one of the two men at gunpoint until police arrived. The other man was able to flee the scene.

The Home Depot called the local Amarillo, Tex. police about a robbery, but before they were able to get to the hardware store things had already turned from bad to worse, reports local ABC affiliate 7 News.

The police confirmed suspect Ricky Solis, 35, took power tools from the store without paying for them. A Home Depot loss prevention officer approached Solis in the parking lot, who tried to make a run for it.

The guard caught Solis and a fight broke out between the two when a second suspect arrived to help Solis. The second man kicked the guard in the face then went back to his car to get a tire iron.

That’s when help arrived: an armed citizen. Drawing his pistol on the two assailants, he ordered them to get on the ground. The second suspect turned away, got back into his vehicle and fled, but not Solis, who was taken into police custody as soon as they arrived.

Police haven’t released the Good Samaritan’s name but said he kept Solis on the ground at gunpoint while the loss prevention officer used his own cuffs to detain him. No shots were fired and no other people were harmed.

The security guard suffered light injuries that did not need medical attention. The property was returned to the store, and the Amarillo police are still on the lookout for the second suspect who remains at large.

This is a reminder that private, and even public security forces are not always adequate and that no security is faster than personal security.

“This is hardly the first incident at Amarillo, Tex. Home Depot stores,” writes Bearing Arms. “Police arrested Brett Austin Leake after he stole merchandise and fought back against the loss prevention officer who tried to detain him”

“Police were again called to the Georgia St. store when Clifford Wayne Clardy was caught stealing merchandise and began to fight the loss prevention officer who confronted him.”



Rob- from start to finish-


Kidnapped Jeweler Shoots Driver and Passenger in Car

There’s a knock on your Henderson, Nevada home just after midnight. There’s a dark sedan parked out front with California plates. Two men say they have your employee zip-tied in the back. There is an implied threat of violence. They want you to come with them. Now.

What do you do? This is Vegas, do you gamble with your life?


It’s rarely a good idea to go anywhere with a kidnapper. Far too often, changing locations with a criminal directly leads to additional violence or death. Many self-defense instructors identify a demand to move as the point where you make your stand for your life, and fight.

However, the owner of a jewelry business voluntarily went with the kidnappers. But, there was another element swinging the probabilities in this life-or-death game. Unbeknownst to the criminals, the man had a hidden ace up his sleeve, or probably inside his waistband. Even at home after midnight, the jeweler still carried his concealed firearm. The kidnappers hustled their victim to the car, never expecting he was armed. When they inexplicably seated the jeweler in the back seat with his employee, the die was cast. The car didn’t make it out of the neighborhood before the jeweler drew his weapon and shot the driver and the other kidnapper in the front passenger seat.

The driverless car careened into the side of a house and caught fire. The jeweler and his coworker made it out – the two criminals did not.  They were pronounced dead at the scene from multiple close-range gunshots. In this high-stakes poker game, we’ll bet the shots were to the back of the head. Police are speaking with the two survivors and trying to get to the bottom of what happened. It should be obvious that in Sin City Las Vegas, there are a lot of questions still to be answered.  

What is known is the importance of POGO(™): Pants On – Gun On. Carrying a gun late at night in the home looks like it just might have saved this man’s life as well as his employee’s.  

POGO(™), it’s just not for the funny pages anymore.


Paul – I want to re-iterate something here. If you are confronted by a bad guy and they want to take you somewhere the time to act is NOW! You likely will never get another chance. The chances of you coming out of it alive are extremely slim. The chances of you coming out of it alive and unharmed are so close to 0 as to be indistinguishable. The bad guys made a major fatal mistake. They let the good guy sit behind them and did not search him for weapons. The good guy here got extremely lucky.


Good thing? Pants on gun on. I already covered the bad things. Anyone else want a crack at this one?


Home Invasion Stopped by Armed Neighbor

A Spring, Texas woman and her children were threatened with death by an armed robber who boldly strolled into their home. One of her boys escaped the invasion and ran across the street for help. That help came holding a gun. Many minutes closer than the cops, the armed neighbor ran to the defense of the family. He fired several shots, forcing the robber to flee for his life and saving the family. Sean J. Robbins, 28, was arrested several blocks away and has been charged with aggravated robbery and burglary.

We certainly commend the good samaritan for coming to the aid of his neighbors. His heroics came at a significant risk to his life, liberty and wealth. By stepping up, the neighbor saved the family from robbery or much, much worse. Good on you, sir! Yeehaw, Texas! This selfless act is part of the real West that comes with the free, unabridged ownership of firearms.


You listening, Shannon?    



Rob- swatted?


Two Good Samaritans Stop a Home Invasion And Beating

Two good samaritans heeded the desperate cries for help coming from a home in a quiet Erie, Pennsylvania suburb. They acted decisively, saving the two homeowners and a kidnapping victim, stopping an interstate crime spree, and wounding the suspect to ensure his final capture. And it was a firearm in law-abiding hands that made it possible.

Kyle Johnson, 25, started his violent spree by assaulting ex-girlfriend Brandi Shakir, 23, a week ago, leaving her with a broken eye socket and two black eyes. Shakir already had a restraining order against Johnson, who gained a felony assault warrant with the beating. None of that paperwork made the slightest bit of difference when he abducted Shakir and torched her mother’s house. Police had been searching unsuccessfully for Johnson and Shakir since Monday morning.  

Johnson travelled about 100 miles up the Lake Erie shoreline, where Tuesday morning he broke into a random home in an upscale Erie, Pennsylvania neighborhood. He confined Shakir in the home’s basement, and the violent felon severely beat the woman homeowner with a tire iron and slashed her with a box cutter. Her husband returned shortly afterward and also fell under the fists of the thug. His cries for help were heard by two brave samaritans, who ran toward the desperate situation. Fortunately, at least one of the neighbors carried a gun. During the altercation, Johnson was shot twice, in shoulder and the leg. The powerfully-built Johnson broke free and ran down a ravine where the partially lame man was finally captured. He was hospitalized and booked for attempted homicide, with many other charges pending. Shakir was also hospitalized, but released later. The female homeowner is still in critical condition with severe, life-threatening blunt force trauma to the head. Her husband was treated and released. It is not known if the good samaritans were injured.   

In a round of mutual governmental butt-patting, the FBI, US Marshals, several police agencies, the Ohio Bureau of Criminal Identification, CECOMS, and the Ohio turnpike toll booth workers all held press conferences to congratulate themselves and each other for almost ending the crime spree. The pivotal role of the courageous neighbors was largely ignored by the agencies and the establishment media. We suspect it was the critical, correct use of a civilian firearm that caused the media to turn a blind, progressive eye.

Or…. could it be….Shannon?   Or her puppeteer, Bloombie?  

Rob- time is critical.  You’re not equipped to react if you don’t have a firearm on your body.

John – It is good that it happened in PA and not just a bit more up the Lake Erie shoreline in New York where a carry permit would have been harder to obtain.

Absolutely true!

Paul –



Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guy!

And finally, here’s another in our fan-favorite Don’t Torque-Off the Old Guys series.

Ol’ John Adams started shooting relatively late in life. In fact, he waited until he was 61 before pulling his first trigger. His first target — was an armed criminal.

It was just another slow night at Adams’ Lexington, Tennessee liquor store. That is, until two armed masked men walked in and punched him in the nose. The duo’s’ opening gambit was the typical “I’m gonna rob you, I’m gonna rob you.” “Yeah, right,” thought the jaded old dude. Then — he got slugged in the face. And THAT torqued him off; “I can hurt you if you do crazy stuff to me,” the grizzled Adams said. “I can’t deal with you hitting my mouth.”


He did deal with the life-threatening situation by grabbing a hidden pistol and whistling a slug in the general direction of the thug. “I’m 61, and this is the first time that I’ve ever shot a gun,” admitted Adams. “No wonder I shot the wall, but I really meant to hit him.” <unquote> He really meant to hit him a second time when the grumpy old man chased the pair out onto the street and fired once more, effectively doubling his firearms experience. The light-skinned criminals escaped the rampaging old guy in an older-model Camaro. Still frothing, Adams said, “He hit me like I was a piece of crap.” However, Adams’ two shots likely stopped the quote from being any worse; as in; “He killed the <bleep> out of me.”    


While we certainly applaud this geezer-riffic self-defense use of a gun; waiting until an armed confrontation before taking your first shot ever is DEFINITELY not recommended. Training and practice would certainly have helped even the odds when this old guy got torqued-off.  


Paul – I am glad that the good guy is okay, however 2 things. #1 get some training! #2 when the bad guys are running away it is time to stop shooting.

John – No one was getting his Pappy van Winkle bourbon!

Funny, CF


Rob- Having a gun does not armed for self-defense anymore than owning an instrument makes me a musician.  You must take instruction, train and practice.  It is easy.


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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


Voicemail —-


Gary – http://www.tarnhelm.com/magna-trigger/gun/safety/magna1.html

Rob – I think you’re trying to solve a training problem with hardware.  If you can’t hold, operate or aim a gun then firearms might not be for you.  There are 22 magnum semi-auto that I hope you’ll consider.

Rachel: make your decision based on your experience, not merely research. If someone recommends a revolver because he doesn’t think you can operate a semi-auto, test that out yourself.


Listener Text message


Hello all. I just wanted to take a minute and thank you all for the great job you do on the podcast. Have been listening since before you changed the name. Paul, if you ever get out to Rancho Cucamonga in Southern California at the T/A truck stop, I’d love to take you to dinner I am only a couple miles north of there. Thank you for putting out the gun policy coalitions interface on what’s happening in California. Susan, sorry I missed your birthday. I am blind sheepdog on Facebook and have a great time listening to see what you guys are doing. Good luck with mag 40 it seems like a lot of fun wish we could get him out here, but it’s kind of lost cause I think


Continuing, Paul I know you hate the term sheepdog. However, I need to be the sheepdog for my family even though I lost my eyesight 10 years ago. With the background as a gunsmith for 30 some odd years and a believer in preparation. It is I who am spearheading the keeping of food and water for the family and protection equipment and am also an extra class ham radio operator. We lost Charlie foxtrot a while back to the Midwest but we have to hold around here too. All the best to all of you. The name is John.


Paul – Mas will be in Sacramento November 30 through December 3rd with a MAG 40. I put a LINK in the show notes.

Gary –

For Gary – http://www.amazon.com/BaoFeng-UV-5R-Dual-Radio-Black/dp/B007H4VT7A/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1461291630&sr=1-1&keywords=baofeng


Listener email


Hello gang,

I really enjoy your show and listen backwards (first the current show, then
the last show I haven’t already heard – I’m now on show 345 from August
30th) to make sure I’m current and am catching up on older shows too.

My purpose for writing is this. I’m looking for a shot timer that would be
able to “hear” the shots of an Airsoft (BB pellet) gun. I use one, along
with paper targets, in my garage, to practice my draw, aim and trigger
control. I’ve tried using a Pocket Pro II shot timer but it doesn’t catch my
shots consistently. I have an Apple iPhone App (Sorry about that Paul),
called “Free Shot Timer” that has sensitivity adjustment, but it, too
doesn’t register my shots consistently. Has anyone heard of a product or App
that would be able to pick up the sounds from this practice gun?

Many thanks,

Sent from my iPhone – Richard in  Kent, WA


Rachel- Richard, that is the perfect type of question to throw to our listeners.  Let’s see if someone in the listening audience has an answer for Kent.  What shot timer can hear an airsoft gun?

Rob- can you use a remote microphone to catch the airsoft sound?


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- I wrote an article about California’s new gun control legislation.  California allowed local pre-emption so cities and counties could pass their own gun laws.  As you might expect, these gun control areas are heavily socialist.  And, they are experiencing a crime wave.  More local regulation, more local crime.  One of the reasons the state politicians now spread these failed local policies across the state is to hide their failure at a local level.  The article is called Spreading Failure for Profit- the politics of California gun control.  My articles are at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland and at my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.


John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money


I did a blog post today suggesting that the Palestinian Authority should be given state representative status to UNSCAR. The  UN Trust Facility Supporting Cooperation on Arms Regulation is the United Nations agency in charge of managing the Arms Trade Treaty which impacts small arms and ammo with stuff like reloaders being licensed. If given state representative status, then the United States, by law, cannot support their funding. Given Obama how loves left-wing, terrorist supporting Arabs, I might just get my wish.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.


We would like to thank Rob and Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear Charlie on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bob Mayne for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)


Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


(after show close) How could we have made this episode better?


(DO NOT READ)Look at the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Subscribing from the link in our show notes helps Bob and Ben as well as helps us here at the Polite Society Podcast.


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There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey, New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Palmetto Concealed Carry, Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League, wisconsingunowners.org, and Wyoming Gun Owners.


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One thought on “Episode 374 – Bob Mayne Talks Training

  1. Great episode with Bob Mayne. His was one of the first podcasts I listened to when I got interested in guns a few years ago and it is still on my shortlist today. So bringing him on one of my newer shortlisted podcasts is awesome.

    The joking about bent barrels was funny and also struck home for me because I had problems shooting my FNX-9 accurately when I first got it. Since you’re talking alot about MAG-40, I thought I would post a link to a blog post about having Massad Ayoob test the FNX-9 for me.

    Keep up the great work!


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