Episode 369 – West Virginia Might Get Permitless Carry

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1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment 

3- Interview Segment 1: Dianna Muller

4 – Rachel’s Rant

1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, March 3, 2016, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Dianna Muller about the DC Project.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Chris Christie’s endorsement of The Donald.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and I’m going to preach a little sermon about staying safe.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s a home invader picked the wrong doggie door .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 369 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

 

Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

 

Rob- Carried every day.  Joined a local gun club so I can shoot outdoors.  Got a new gun bag.. with a Sears Craftsman label.  Started a new podcast called self-defense gun stories.

 

John – Just got home late last night from a two day conference in Baltimore. The hotel where we stayed was the scene of some of the rioting last year. Of course, being Maryland, I was not allowed to be armed. I was not the only one disturbed by that. I spoke to a fellow advisor from NH who felt naked being unarmed. I had struck up a conversation with him because he had had a long pony tail which made him stick out from the rest of the button down types.

 

Barb and I will be early voting on Saturday. The NC Primary is March 15th. I plan to vote for the most pro-gun candidates and that includes Ted Cruz.-

Gary-

Rob-

Rachel

  • I have a question and need a solution. Back pain from recoil???
  • .22 is still fine and fun. I saw progress in one training session.
  • voted. Lots of good things happened in Texas – not so much because people showed up and voted for the right people, but because a few faithful people have worked very hard for a long time to set the framework.

Recoil pad on the gun butt?

Rob- Gary and Rachel, more than 2.8 million Republican ballots were cast in Texas, approximately double the 2012 Republican primary total of 1.4 million.

 

Gary – What training do you have coming up?

Rob- Do you get referrals from the NRA instructor site?

Paul/Susan

 

Promo about upcoming training classes here.

Break

 

2- News 1

 


The Unbearable Heaviness of Being Chris Christie
Far be it for us to comment on the ongoing presidential primaries, but did you see the anti-gun governor of one of the most anti-gun states standing behind the front runner? Yes, that was former candidate Chris P. Kreme Christie placed in the background like a cigar store indian. He waivered about behind the spotlight while his eyes silently screamed. Christie was undoubtedly seeing his political career going down in fat-fueled flames. Being the failed soon-to-be ex-governor of Joisey is hardly a political resume enhancer.

The web is abuzz with snark, one of our favorites being the Washington Post’s merciless mocking of Christie’s thousand-mile stare.

It’s impossible for us not to gloat over the anti-gun politician’s discomfort; after all, Schadenfreude is a dish best served fresh and hot!

 

Rob- New Jersey Governor Chris Christie suspended his campaign.

Paul – Birds of a feather flock together. Christie wasn’t really for upholding our rights, neither is Trump.


West Virginia Constitutional Carry Bill on Governor’s Desk
The West Virginia legislature has placed a Constitutional carry bill on the governor’s desk, and did so emphatically, with a veto proof majority. Governor Tomblin received a similar measure last year, but vetoed it after the legislature had adjourned for the year. Learning from prior mistakes, the bill was passed well before the end of the legislative session. So this year, West Virginia law ensures that any veto will need to come well before the legislature is slated to adjourn, leaving plenty of time for simple majorities in both houses to override the governor. As the bill was passed with overwhelming margins, overriding the threatened veto should not be an issue.  

Congratulations to West Virginia! And a tip to the media — blood will NOT run in the streets.  

 

Rob- Governor Tomblin vetoed the bill.. for the second year in a row.  Now the legislature can overturn the veto.  I guess Tomblin is beholding to Bloomberg.

Rachel yes. A win for WV is a win for Texas. It helps us.

is that 6 or 7?

 

Sales records set again in February.  We see firearms sales records set month after month.  There are seasonal fluctuations in gun sales, with a large surge at Christmas.  Yet each month sets a new record for the largest number of background checks in that month.  February continued this trend that stretches back for the last 14 months.  This record breaking February saw a little over two and a half million background checks submitted to the the FBI.

 

Welcome to the brotherhood of the spiral tube.

 

CF- Well said. We’ll need to actively welcome our new friends, so they can quickly become safe, responsible and active members in the fellowship of the firearm. That’s one of the best ways to ensure our rights for the long run.   

Rob-

 

North Carolina County Illegally Holding Gun Permits

Martin Luther King spoke the truth when he said a right delayed is a right denied. In the North Carolina county of Mecklenburg, citizen’s rights are being denied wholesale.

With the above noted record increase in gun sales, and a new law requiring mental health checks on all applicants instead of just a few, the wait for gun permits is now six to seven weeks, and may soon balloon to six months. The law requires a record search for any mental health incident in the prospective gun owner’s past. Clerks have to painfully search microfiche, compact disks, and even paper logs. And they must do that for 2500 permit requests per month – with no additional resources. The result is all too predictable: a collapse of the system.    

The law specifically gives North Carolina’s sheriffs only 14 days days to approve or deny a permit.  However, Sheriff Irwin Carmichael of Mecklenburg County, has chosen to break the law and hold all permits until the mental health evaluation finally completes; illegally delaying the permit by months. It’s hard to consider this as anything but a blatant abridgement of the citizen’s Second Amendment rights.  

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We would like to remind the sheriff of Mecklenburg County that this type of feel-good legislation is usually nothing more than an expensive, useless law; accomplishing little if anything. And it comes at a significant cost to the rights of the many, perhaps even the ultimate cost if the means for self-defense are not available. The unfortunate citizens of Mecklenburg County and North Carolina as a whole should remind their elected officials of their rights via the courts and the ballot boxes. We wish them well.    

 

John – These are pistol permits – long guns don’t require a permit. Mecklenburg isn’t just some small rural county. It is the largest in the state and the 47th largest in the US. IF the Democrats and some Republicans in the General Assembly had not kow-towed to an unholy alliance of gun control groups and the NC Sheriffs Association, we’d have been rid of this racist, Jim Crow-era law.

 

Rob- A recent poll in North Carolina said it was more important to respect the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms than to restrict firearms ownership in the name of stopping criminals from getting guns.  The police are not listening.

 

San Bernardino county is scheduling firearms interviews out 18 months.

Paul Carol Bowne  

Gary

Rob-  It would be great if we really had an AG.
John – These permits are good for 5 years. The Charlotte Observer found approximately 60 felons possessing these permits who had used them to purchase a firearm since it substitutes for a NICS check.

 

Some of DC’s Onerous Gun Control Efforts Struck Down
In Washington DC, citizen Dick Heller and his legal team have again won a victory over the city’s draconian anti-gun laws. The DC Circuit Court has declined to rehear the case challenging some of the District’s oppressive gun registration laws — upholding the earlier ruling striking down the requirement for gun owners to re-register firearms every three years, limit registrations to one handgun per month, pass a test, and bring their guns to metro police headquarter for inspection. The three-judge panel’s ruling striking down the restrictions was appealed to the en banc Circuit Court. Respecting the precedence established by Heller’s 2008 Supreme Court victory, the majority of the court voted against revisiting the case.


“DC did nothing to justify any law enforcement or public safety value of those things,” according to Heller’s attorney. However, Heller was not successful in eliminating the registration of long guns; registration fees, safety training class, and the three requirements that gun owners appear at headquarters to be fingerprinted and photographed. Heller is considering an appeal.


The DC District Attorney office is also considering an appeal to the Supreme Court. If so, they may move to keep the restrictions in place while the matter is being adjudicated. However, we think that Dick Heller can almost certainly notch another one on his Freedom gun.

 

Rob- All of those appeals are in doubt due to the balance in the US supreme court.  Gun control advocates will try to have their cases pushed to the US supreme court this year.

 

Gun Education Save Children

And finally, from Iowa comes a story highlighting the benefits of educating our young on firearms safety.

 

Police and parents tried an experiment with children and firearms. A fake gun was hidden in a conference room, where eight children were placed. The gun was found in 15 seconds and quickly passed around, pointed at one another, and unsuccessfully attempted to be fired.  However, there were two children who would have nothing to do with the firearm. They even attempted to leave the room. Not surprisingly, they were children living in homes with firearms. They were familiar with guns and knew the dangers and the proper behaviors.

Now will someone please tell us why we shouldn’t be educating our young in the schools?    

 

Rob- We teach household safety as soon as kids move about the house.  Age appropriate in each case.

 

3-  News 2

Rachel’s Rant.  😉

 

Rachel’s “Stay Safe” Rant

 

The other day, I was open carrying while teaching a piano lesson to one of my youngest students. She’s about 6 years old. Right in the middle of me helping her clap out some rhythm, she looked at me inquisitively and asked, “Why do you have a gun?”  I’ve had plenty of people ask that question, and I’ve given plenty of answers, but none of them seemed quite right for the moment. First, I didn’t feel a need to get into a philosophical debate with a 6-year-old. Second, I didn’t want to terrify her with thoughts of the bogeyman assaulting her. Third, we were in the middle of learning music.

 

But I didn’t want to lie, and I didn’t want punt the question. So I simply said, “Because it’s safe.” She was satisfied with the answer and we moved on.

 

Staying safe is something we talk a lot about. Staying safe is good.

 

It’s commonly thought by gun control groups that guns create an unsafe condition. We know otherwise. We feel safer with guns. I often say, “The safest place for your gun is on you,” because that’s where you have the most control over it.

 

I believe that many of us would say our reason for carrying a gun (or owning guns, or training, or purchasing gear) is that we want to keep ourselves and our family safe. For the rest of this rant I’m going to focus on that aspect: keeping our family safe. If you don’t have a spouse and kids, think of family in a larger sense: your group. Your people. The people you care about. You want them to be safe. You want to help keep them safe.

 

But what does it even mean to stay safe? What do we want, and how do we get it? And where do guns come into the picture?

 

I was already thinking about this topic when an excellent post popped up on my Facebook feed. It’s from John Hurth, who teaches tactical tracking and other courses.

 

The entire post is worth reading, but it’s lengthy, so I am going to quote only portions of it.

 

What are you prepping for?

Every day as I scroll down my FB feed I read questions from others who are soliciting opinions from friends concerning gear. . . .

Many of those questions asked revolve around a notion that a piece of equipment will make the person asking better prepared, but prepared for what? What is the environment or the situation you see yourself in or are preparing for?

As gear is concerned I am a firm believer in a three tiered fighting/survival system……

Now don’t get me wrong there is a lot of “cool” stuff out there and unfortunately the cool factor and practicality factor are not the same. Most people have been influence by recent combat photos and video shot in Iraq and Afghanistan. Heavy body armor has its uses if you plan on entering and clearing a building by force or rolling down a road that is mined and IED’d (not the most preferred method of travel in my opinion). However, is that the situation you envision yourself in and are you trained for it?

Gear can get extremely expensive, especially when you actually get out there and use it only to find out it doesn’t work the way you envisioned it.

If a disastrous situation occurs in your area what is your plan? A good example is the after effects of Hurricane Katrina. In a natural disaster that eventually leads to the complete breakdown of a community where everyone after realizing the gravity of the situation turns on each other, what do you see yourself doing? What will be your threat? ….. [He goes on to give specific examples and possibilities.] …. The issue may not be just gear but more importantly planning, and above all training that makes sense based on your planning.

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Think out of the box. What do YOU NEED to survive based on your planning and contingency planning?

 

I believe part of staying safe is physical protection from threats, particularly from assaults and disaster scenarios. We talk about this in DGU’s all the time.

 

But I believe when we really care about protecting our families and keeping them safe, what else is there besides the worst case scenario that we should be concerned about?

 

I ask my LTC students, “If you’re sitting in McDonald’s what are the potential threats to your family?”  Not only is there the “bad guy” threat, but ….what about the food that may have more of a chance of killing them?

 

And then, beyond physical threats, what about others? How are we caring about our families and keeping them safe emotionally, mentally, even spiritually?

 

And how do we determine where we should spend our energies and resources?

 

I’m not going to answer a lot of questions, but I want to throw out some questions for you, and I’d ask you to consider the priority of threats in your family.

 

First, threat level: what are the worst threats?

Second, fixability: what can you prevent, or guard against?

Third: worthwhileness: How difficult and expensive and time-consuming is it to be prepared for a threat?

Fourth: Effectiveness – How likely would our efforts be to change things?

Fourth: Opportunity cost – Does pursuing safety in one area increase danger in another?

Jordan driving

My experience

 

Assuming your goal is to keep your family safe, how can you best achieve that goal?

 

Gun Quotes- In honor of Texas independence day, this quote comes from Sam Houston- Govern wisely, and as little as possible.

 

We’ll be back with an interview of pro-shooter and political activist Dianna Muller.

 

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4- Interview 1

 

We have Dianna Muller with us tonight.

 

Dianna is a retired police officer with 22 years of service with the Tulsa, OK PD.  She is also a champion shooter and the captain of Team Benelli. She is a top-level 3-Gun shooter having won the 2013 USPSA Multi-Gun Championship women’s division and she is a regular on the Outdoor Channel’s Shooting Gallery.

 

Welcome, Dianna.

 

We invited you to be with us tonight not because you are a champion shooter but because of another project you have in the works. At the SHOT Show, you announced the 50 Women March on DC. Could you tell us more about it?

 

You and a number of volunteers visited Capitol Hill last week. How did that go?

 

Will you be producing a series of videos based on these visits?

 

How can people learn more about this project? And where can they find you on the Internet?

http://DCPROJECT.INFO

http://www.agirlandagun.org/dc-project/

https://www.facebook.com/DC-Project-570495719781611/

 

5- Interview 2

 

6- DGUs

(Did we use this one?)

1- Home invasion Birmingham Alabama  An 8 year old boy named DJ arrived home a few minutes early from school.  DJ let himself in the house.  A few minutes later, DJ heard three young men trying to get in the house through the front door.  DJ ran upstairs.  He also hid under his bed, called his dad, and then called police.  DJ’s dad usually meets him when he comes home from school, so his dad was already on the way home when he got DJ’s call.

 

The father was already armed when he arrived home.  The homeowner found three young men in their 20’s inside his home.  He shot one of them and the other two escaped.  Police arrived moments later.

 

Chief Deputy Randy Christian said “ There are.. activities in this life that increase your chances of losing yours. Kicking in a door and entering someone’s home with criminal intent is one of them. Thank God this little boy and his dad are ok.”  The couple lived in the home for 10 years.  Now their son wants to move.

 

2-Realtor meets thieves in an unoccupied  home.  A realtor in Nashville, Tennessee was looking for a home to buy.  He and his wife entered this newly built home.. to find out that they were not alone.  Two men had pried open the back door and were ransacking the upstairs.  

 

The realtor put his hand on his gun, but did not draw it.  That was when a thief with gang tattoos on his neck and hands came down stairs.  The husband and wife made small talk and said they were going to look at the back yard.

 

That is where the realtor called police.  The two thieves had left by the time police arrived.  The officer said that many of the new homes had been broken into.


Note: The following were from last week’s ‘cast – but not used.  

Las Vegas Homeowner Shoots Invader in the Face

A man with a 12 inch knife terrorized a quiet Las Vegas neighborhood late one night. He assaulted several homes before choosing the wrong doggie door.  

Alexander Gonzales, 40, has been charged with burglary with a deadly weapon; attempted burglary with a deadly weapon; and possession of a controlled substance. It seems likely that the controlled substance led him on the midnight rampage in South Las Vegas. He tried to break down the doors of at least three homes before trying his luck one more time. A neighbor warned the targeted owner by phone and he was at least somewhat prepared. When Gonzales tried to force his way through the doggy-door, the homeowner shot the knifeman in the face. When the police finally arrived, the owner met them with raised arms and told the officers where his gun was located. was treated at a local hospital for a minor wounds and released into police custody. The large caliber bullet entered the criminals face between the eyes, traveled beside the nose, through the lips and exited out the jaw. Gonzales should never buy another lottery ticket; he’s used up all his luck. The show notes contain a link to the thug’s picture. Be advised, it’s very graphic.

Neighbor Nicole Stokken said; “I think it was very brave. I’m glad he did it. It made me feel better — that he’s armed.” Slokken believes the outcome would’ve been different if a neighbor had not called her with a heads up and if her next door neighbor did not shoot the suspect. “The detective told me the neighbor very well could have saved our lives.”  

 

Guns in good hands have a tendency to do that.  

 

Clerk and Thug Exchange Shots

Sometimes life can be a game of inches, as a Washington state convenience store clerk and a criminal found out. During the robbery, clerk Seul Lim, 30, and the accused robber, Tyrone Prophet Jr., 23, each got off one shot. His bullet clipped Lim, her’s barely missed.

On the surveillance video, the masked gunman is seen entering the store with a drawn gun, pointing it at Lim’s face and demanding money. She surrendered the cash but the agitated accused continued to wave the gun at her head. When Prophet looked away, she pulled a gun from near the register and fired. The thug fired at almost the same instant and then fled. His bullet hit Lim in the abdomen, her’s missed the assailant’s head by inches.  


Police tracked the getaway car to a motel and arrested Prophet and detained the female driver. Investigators recovered a .380 semi-automatic pistol, as well as clothing seen in the video. He is being held on 1 million dollars bail. Prophet is also suspected in another convenience store robbery where the clerk was shot in the hand without provocation.

 

Lim was treated at the hospital and released. She’s tough. her husband said, She’s a tough cookie.

 

We’re glad the criminal is in custody and that Seul Lim will be okay. We’re especially glad that her husband made the “tough cookie” crack and not us.  

 

Rob- training lets us make better judgements.

 

Tampa Liquor Store Robber Dies
Freelance Bernie Sanders-ing a local store is tough and dangerous work. A young thief, Cody Bolesta, 20, and his partner tried their wealth redistribution scheme at Cut Rate Liquors of Tampa, Florida. The two entered the store wearing ski masks and hoodies; pointing guns and demanding money. Store clerk Willie Morris, 57, pulled his own gun in self defense and exchanged gunshots with the criminals. Bolesta was struck and made it back to the sidewalk before collapsing. His partner left Bolesta to die and fled. Morris was not hit.

 

At this time, police believe the shooting to be justifiable self-defense, but the case will be presented to the State Attorney’s office for final determination.

 

John – I guess these thieves were not persuaded by the prices of cut rate liquors.

Rob- Video saves prosecution.

 

Self-Defense in Cali
Self defense can be necessary, even in the gun-controlled paradise of California. A homeowner shot and killed a man attempting to burglarize the Ontario, California home. The owner confronted the 26 year-old-man in the home’s entryway, where they struggled. The intruder attempted to take the man’s gun and was shot a single time in the chest. The unnamed burglar was pronounced dead at the scene.

As Bob Owens of Bearing Arms wrote; Even in anti-gun California this appears to be a very cut-and-tried case of self-defense, and it is not expected that the homeowner is at any risk of facing charges for defending his home, himself, and his spouse.

 

Failure in the Victim Selection Process – Armed Robber Gets Only Lead

An armed thief prowled a Minneapolis–Saint Paul neighborhood one night. But instead of money, a smart phone, jewelry — or a life — he got lead. You see, the thief’s chosen victim was a CCW permit holder who was carrying his gun.

 

Official information is sketchy, but there was certainly an exchange of gunfire. The concealed permit holder was standing at the end of a driveway when the 20-year-old male tried to rob him at gunpoint. It was the criminal who was mortally wounded; his victim was not hit. Police recovered both weapons from the scene as part of the investigation. No other suspects are being sought. Witnesses corroborated the victim’s story, and the legal CCW carrier was not arrested and was not expected to be charged.  

The alleged robber was well known to police. The city’s Police Chief said the man “goes back and forth between Brooklyn Park and Minneapolis. He’s an individual we’ve known from previous contact. He certainly hangs out around here.” <Unquote> Or used to.  

 

State Rep. Pat Garofalo (R-Farmington) said, “A loss of life is a tragedy. But when a criminal pulls a gun, they risk ending their life. Concealed carry works.” Roughly 1 in 19 eligible Minnesota adults now has a permit to carry a gun for self-defense. Criminals should take note.  

 

Rob- 20 crimes before they are caught.

Gary –

 

Another Failure in the Victim Selection Process: Thief Tries to Rob a Policeman’s Home

A home invader is in guarded condition after kicking in a home’s back door.  Unfortunately (for the thug), the home belonged to a Memphis police officer. The off-duty officer was forced to defend the lives of his two young children and shot the man as he entered through the door. Neighbors saw the policeman running across the street to a neighbor’s’ house with a kid under each arm to get them away from the scene. Only the criminal was injured.  

 

Neighbors said that several police officers live nearby, and they are prepared if someone chooses to target them. A neighbor continued; In general, it’s as safe a neighborhood as you’re going to find any place nowadays. I do feel safe, but when I walk, I still carry my gun, my taser and my pepper spray. You have a lot of people here who hunt, a lot of people here who carry guns; and Mississippi is probably not a good state to just kick in somebody’s door and try to rob them.”  

 

We can only hope the criminals will learn this harsh truth soon enough.

 

John – Tom Givens – only 3  students injured in over 65 gunfights involving his students – they weren’t carrying. The rest were.

 

Man shot dead Tuesday during a home invasion

“Guy just tried to come in here and cut my throat and he’s dying on the floor.” Those chilling words said to a 911 operator hardly do justice to the life or death struggle in a Lockland, Ohio home.  


The resident reported that four people entered the home and threatened to kill him with a knife. Three others were still on the scene when police arrived Tuesday afternoon. A fourth person fled the scene in a gold vehicle. Police found a man inside the home with a gunshot wound to the chest. He was pronounced dead at the scene.  

 

Neighbors said it is surprising that violence hit this particular home. “He’s a defender, you know, he defends his community. He defends himself, quite naturally,” Lockland resident Dwayne Palmore said. “What would you do if somebody came in your home?”

 

We all need to ask ourselves that question…. Continuously.

 

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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

 

Listener e-mail discussion

 

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

 

Rob- I had some guest posts up on my blog.  Shayna Lopes Rivas wrote about the single Florida state senator who is stopping campus carry.  Shayna goes to school in Florida and was raped on campus.  I also had a guest article by Amber Kunau.  She writes about teaching your children to be safe around firearms.

 

My regular articles are up at Clash Daily, at  Ammoland, and at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money

 

I mentioned I was in Baltimore. I posted before and after pictures from Baltimore. In the first you see rioters jumping on police cars and in the second you see the street today. If I had turned 180 degrees, you would have been looking into the home of the Baltimore Orioles – Camden Yards. I can only hope that next year we go elsewhere for our meeting – perhaps like Pittsburgh where I can legally carry.

 

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

 

We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com

 

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  So for Charlie Foxtrot, Gary, Rob, John, Rachel and Susan,

(Paul, stop talking now)

 

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

 

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