Episode 358


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1- Open and Personal News Segment

2- News Segment 1

3- News Segment 2

4- Interview Segment 1: 

5- Interview Segment 2:

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to The polite society Podcast sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday December 10th 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Shayna Lopez Rivas  about Florida Campus Carry legislation.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the aftermath of the San Bernardino terror attack.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and a lot of sheriffs came out of the closet for concealed carry.

Bill:  I’m Bill Frady, and they left door open so I could co-host after my day job at Lock and Load Radio.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGU’s we talk about a beer thief that tried to take on a concealed carrier with a log .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 358 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


Rob- Carried.  How about you, Bill Frady?


Bill – I built a backpack kit.. and then I found a commercial bag that fits me out.


John – This week has been taken up with grading exams and work. However, I did do something very important that is gun rights related. I upgraded my NRA Life membership to an Endowment Life membership. In addition, I bought a regular NRA annual membership for my wife Barb. I had put off moving to Endowment for a few years and thought the time to do it was now especially with all the attacks we are facing and are going to face from anti-gun politicians. If you are on the border, do it now because the price for all membership categories goes up January 1st.



-still loving having my range so close. Open carry holster training today. Getting ready for january.

-chl class for a church group this saturday

-Gunpowder and Brew activist meetup next Thursday, Dec. 17, 7:30pm at Genuine Joe in Austin

-DPS forced my hand to renew an NRA membership I don’t want. I’m hoping it benefits some of my friends in other states where the NRA actually has been helpful in passing strong gun rights legislation.


Gary – What training do you have coming up?

Paul/Susan Working on the MAG 40 class, trying to line up RSOs.


Promo about upcoming training classes here.


2- News 1


Aftermath of San Bernardino Terror Attack

We continue to learn more about the attack on the San Bernardino Holiday party. To no-one’s surprise, except perhaps Obama’s, the FBI officially classified the massacre as a terror attack. Disturbing details continue to emerge about the Islamists, their radicalization, the extensive pre-planning, communications with ISIS, suspicious money transfers, possible helpers, the weapons and their sources. Most troubling is the woman suspect. She was able to pass both the Dept of Homeland Security and FBI background checks and was allowed into the country. Neither she nor her husband triggered any administration concern, despite all their obvious red flags.


Obama addressed the Nation Sunday night. The speech was long on platitudes and lofty intentions and critically short of any new direction or plans. The one area that did receive considerable attention was firearms. Obama again urged Congress to be sure “no-one on the No-Fly list is able to buy a gun.” The effectivity of this list is obvious, as neither of the dead terrorists were on the list. Even with the No-Fly No-Buy law, the terror couple would have been able to buy their weapons despite the FBI background checks. Just one more failure of the thousands of gun-control laws.


Hundreds of thousands of Americans are on that list; trapped, as the ACLU puts it, by a virtually standardless government watchlisting scheme that ensnares innocent people and encourages racial and religious profiling. It’s so bad that the reliably hard-left LA Times joined the ACLU in demanding that the Terror Watch be fixed before it’s used to unConstitutionally deprive Americans of their rights.

Call your politicians and demand the end to this tyrannical legislation. More importantly: join and contribute to the NRA and NRA-ILA. They are taking the fight to the enemy that has chosen to fight the law-abiding gun owners instead of terrorists.  

Stay prepared, stay armed, stay aware, and stay safe. Fight anyone who wants to take your life or your rights. It’s an increasingly dangerous world out there.  


John – The Associated Press is reporting this afternoon that President Obama’s advisors are getting ready to present him a proposal that would allow him to expand background checks without Congressional approval. Obama’s most trusted advisor Valerie Jarrett signaled this on Wed. night in comments at a vigil for the Newtown shooting victims.


Rob- comment- the two muslim terrorists were not on the no fly list




Rob-They added a fore-grip.


America Responds to the Terror Attacks

As George Will observed, Americans are voting with their feet on gun-control. Those feet are taking more and more citizens into the Nation’s gun stores. Will said, “This year on Black Friday, the day after Thanksgiving, 185,000 Americans got background checks for firearms. That’s a one day record in this country. So the American people have made clear what they think about the 2nd Amendment and the usefulness of owning guns.”

Firearm background checks have reached record levels. CCP applications are surging across the nation, especially near the San Bernardino attack. And the more the administration vilifies the NRA, the higher their approval numbers, memberships and donations go. We’re going to give our good friend John a shout-out: for upgrading from Lifetime to the NRA Endowment level.


A hundred million firearms have been sold during Obama’s administration. Without a doubt, he is the champion gun salesman of all time. Makes you wonder if he secretly heavily invested in gun company stocks – or if this is just one more “unexpected consequence“ of Obama’s failing policies.  


CF – At Ye Ol’ Gun Shoppe, we’re seeing a rush of first-time firearm buyers. We’ve experienced some increase in ARs and HD shotguns, but most of the new buyers are looking for pistols. Many buyers mention Paris and San Bernardino as well as Obama’s gun-control push. A common refrain is “I just need to have it. But, I’m not going to be shooting it that much.” The shooting community is going to have to guide these new shooters and welcome them into the armed and polite society.  


John – Prof Brian Patrick did his dissertation about how the NRA grew more when it was attacked than when it wasn’t.

Rob- It is time of us to stand up as ambassadors for the gun lobby.

Rachel-yes, and offer our alternative to fear

John – The Gun Blog Blacklist is starting a program to try and pair them up with newbies.

Rachel-Refer women to their local chapter of A Girl & A Gun – http://www.agirlandagun.org/





Political response to terrorist attacks

Now serving number 358

Gun stores in San Bernardino, California are standing room only.. with a long line waiting outside for room to get in.  The rate of concealed carry applications increased five fold, and there is now a 1000 person backlog waiting for their concealed carry applications to be processed.


Rachel-I’m glad so many people are making a logical response to the danger they saw come so close. I hope that others farther away will also take responsibility for their own safety and not wait until it’s too late, or they have their own close call.

Rob-  They have to grind through that backlog.


Bill Why there hasn’t been or why there isn’t an explosion in training?

Rachel-there is. Take A Girl & A Gun for example.

Rob- They know how to buy, but are not familiar with instruction.

Rob- when will we see the massive online training courses for firearms?


Wear a star

Sheriffs across the country are going public with their support of concealed carry and citizen self-defense.  


-Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Maricopa County, Arizona augments his police force with a civilian posse.  “I’m asking armed citizens to make sure that if some violent activity occurs that they take action to defend themselves, and also the people around them until law enforcement shows up.”




-The Sheriff in a small Oklahoma county said this “I encourage all who are legally eligible and trained to carry concealed weapons to do so. I do not want any of us to be helpless victims if we should fall under attack.”


-The Sheriff in Hughes Springs Texas said “I am asking you to help me by arming yourself.  Get a carry permit and learn to use your firearm safely.. We can’t be everywhere all the time.”



-The Sheriff in Lebanon, Missouri cut the price of a concealed carry license from 100 down to 65 dollars. He said, “if (people) want to have a concealed firearm and are law-abiding citizens that they have a right to carry a concealed weapon.  It’s getting dangerous for just the common citizen because everybody that was killed in France and all those who were killed in California weren’t cops. They were just normal people, everyday walking-the-street people, and they should have a right to defend themselves.  People having CCWs, (well) you don’t know whether they’re armed or not — and you’re a little more reluctant to go in and shoot a place up or rob people.”


-Two Ohio Sheriffs asked citizens to get their carry permits.  Butler County Sheriff Richard Jones said, “people should get their conceal and carry permit and carry a gun where permitted. You don’t want to be that person hiding under the desk or in a closet waiting for someone to come rescue you.”


-Montgomery County, Ohio Sheriff Phil Plummer said much the same thing.  “I encourage all law abiding citizens to get Conceal Carry Permits,” he said. “I think it’s so important that we’re turning around the permits in 24 hours. We have to arm ourselves and protect ourselves because they’re killing our families.”


-Brevard County, Florida Sheriff Wayne Ivey said “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun. If you are a person who is legally licensed to carry a firearm, now is a time more than ever to realize that you and you alone very well might be the first line of defense for you [and] your family.”


-Sheriff Helmig from Boone County, Kentucky said “I remind the people who have applied, been trained, and issued a license to carry a Concealed Deadly Weapon (CCDW) that they also have a responsibility to carry their firearm, which they are proficient with, for the safety of themselves and others.”


John – Notice that these are sheriffs – elected LEOs – and not big city police chiefs who are beholden to anti-gun politicians for their job.




Mayors too

Two mayors in New Jersey asked to arm ordinary citizens.  Egg Harbor Township Mayor James McCullough said “Maybe if someone had a gun during the San Bernardino shooting spree, some of the 14 innocent people would still be alive”.   Estell Manor Councilman-elect Joe Venezia said “(People) should have the right to (protect themselves). It would only be an effective tool to help law enforcement.”


Rob- We’ve seen gun ranges offer discount firearms training to clergy.  We’ve seen Arizona gun stores offer CCW classes with a new purchase.


Rob- Learner’s permit.


3-  News 2


Gun Quotes

“Today we need a nation of minutemen; citizens who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom.” John F. Kennedy


Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).



4- Interview 1

Are you a student?

Have you asked a radio station in Miami to talk to you?

Here is the contact info for Fl Sen Miguel Díaz de la Portilla


District Office

2100 Coral Way

Suite 505

Miami, FL 33145

(305) 643-7200

Senate VOIP: 44000


Legislative Assistants

Anabel Castillo and Julio Guillen


Tallahassee Office

406 Senate Office Building

404 South Monroe Street

Tallahassee, FL 32399-1100

(850) 487-5040

Senate VOIP: 5040


Legislative Assistant

Patricia Gosney


5- Interview 2

Bill Frady and his “Isis welcome wagon bag”


med kit?


Rob- are the contents listed online?


6- DGUs


1 Don’t Bring a Log to a Gun Fight

A 46-year-old man was challenged by several witnesses after he swiped beer and other items from a Tucson, Arizona convenience store. The man grabbed a large log and charged one of the witnesses. Faced with the deadly – however unwieldy – threat, the witness drew his concealed weapon and shot several times. The logger (see what we did there? ;^)’  ) was transported to a local hospital where he died.  


The witness is cooperating with police and no charges have been filed to date.

Rob- Intoxication?


2 Robber Won’t Ever Drink Merlot Again

Two men entered the Baltimore-area Towson Wine and Spirits shop. They weren’t looking for the perfect Pinot Noir, just some easy cash. One robber pulled a gun and pointed it at the head of the clerk, who uncorked his own gun. The 68-year-old clerk was able to shoot the criminal several times in defense of his life. Both criminals ran from the store, one escaped and the other fell to the pavement and died. The 25-year-old criminal had led a violent life before dying on the Towson street. He had been convicted for armed robbery and armed carjacking, but the system released him on parole. He had been arrested for violating that parole, but his hearing was scheduled for sometime in the Spring. In the meantime, he continued to walk free – with a gun.  

Neighbors had little sympathy for the dead criminal and only compassion for the clerk, who was described as a very friendly, knowledgeable wine enthusiast.

Police report It is permissible to carry a firearm within a business in Maryland. They also said the clerk’s firearm was legally purchased and registered. The robber’s firearm’s history is uncertain and was certainly illegally possessed by the felon. Police continue to investigate, the results will be turned over to the district attorney for the determination if the clerk will be charged. The same system turned a convicted felon loose on the populace, and then didn’t reincarcerate when the felon violated the terms of his parole. This is another clear failure of the State’s catch and release rehabilitation system — as well as Maryland’s repressive gun-control laws.    


Rob- This clerk had fractions of a second to respond.  He did not have time to go to the back office and open a gun safe.

John – The only concern I have for the store clerk is that it is Baltimore County.


3 Woman Uses Her Training – And a 45 – To Hold Off a Home-Invader

A Tennessee woman used her firearms training – and a 45 – to stop a home-invader and hold him for the police. For peace of mind, she had taken CCW training and purchased the FNH .45 handgun two years ago, but she thought she would never have to use her training. Her foresight paid off handsomely when a criminal with 40 prior arrests, one a mere six hours before, tried to break down her door.  


Police arrived to the touching scenario of a woman holding the criminal at gunpoint on her front lawn. “I didn’t know what he had. So I didn’t want to let him out of my sight. I didn’t want him to attack me or shoot me or do whatever,” the woman said. No shots had been fired. The feckless thief is in jail on charges of Aggravated Burglary, Theft and Burglary of a Motor Vehicle.


Just maybe his stay in jail will be a little longer this time.  


Rob- time to have a loaded gun nearby


4 Yes, there is a gun culture in California

53 year old Gilbert Minjares was putting his young daughter to bed when he heard crash coming from his back porch.  He put his daughter in the closet and grabbed his handgun.  A large man met him halfway to the back door.  Minjares raised his gun and the large man froze.  The homeowner backed the burglar out of the home and had him lay in the back yard.  The homeowner had to return to his home to grab his cell phone to call police.


Fortunately he told the police what he and the burglar looked like.  That paid off and  not one officer pointed a gun at me.”

As soon as the suspect was in custody Minjares ran back into his home to get his little girl, who he found hiding behind his clothes in his closet.


???win the fight to the phone?


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7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close


Listener e-mail discussion


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Carl wrote in with the subject line Air Guns


I was just wondering if any of you use airguns.  I have found that shooting an airgun in my back yard can assuage, if only temporarily, my desire to get out to the range.  Soup cans and Dum-Dum lollipops make fun, reactive targets.


Since the motions are the same, I can do some practicing of my technique.  My collection consists of both air rifles and air handguns.


And for small varmints a 0.22 springer with the proper pellet is very effective.


Thanks for the great podcast.  I particularly appreciate the different opinions and personalities.  Recently a comment Rachel made alerted me to initially lube and keep an eye on the magazine release of my brand new Smith & Wesson Shield.




Rob- I learned with a air rifle.  I want one for instruction.



Rashel wrote in with the subject line Question!


Love yalls show! Thank you for the great information. Thoroughly fabulous.

I have a question… Do u have any tips on traveling with a legal carry pistol? I’m going from Texas to Colorado on American Airlines. I noticed there’s legal carry with license from TX to CO… I’ll be checking bags…



Rashel from East Texas

Rob- give yourself time at the airport

Rachel- I had a great experience from TX to AZ. It added maybe 5min to my check-in time. Packed guns and ammo in lockboxes inside of my checked bag (ammo was inside ammo boxes), filled out their card, took it to a room where they swabbed it and scanned it (never opened it) and I was good to go.


Rob- baggage check in, not TSA.


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- My latest article is called “We Stopped Mass Murder”.  We know the mainstream media largely ignores citizen self-defense stories.  Oddly enough, we do the same.  A concealed carry holder stops a potential mass murder whenever the stop a robbery at a convenience store.  Those articles are up at Clash Daily.  Ammoland, and my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.


We have read a lot about adding the No-Fly and Terrorist Watch List to the NICS Denied category. There have been plenty of strong arguments against this on Constitutional grounds and this is good. Here is an argument against doing it from a practical perspective. Adding suspected terrorists to the NICS Denied list makes it into an early warning system for terrorists to see if they are being watched. If a terrorist wants to see if he is under suspicion, all he (or she) needs to do is try to buy a gun from a FFL. If it comes back denied, then the terrorist is forewarned and will go underground. That is not good counter-terrorism policy.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.


We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com


Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Bill Frady and Shayna Lopez Rivas for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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