Episode 357 – Terrorism in San Bernardino


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1- Open and Personal News Segment:

2- News Segment 1:

3- News Segment 2

4- Interview Segment 1: Guest Psychiatrist Robert Young from doctors for responsible gun ownership

5- Interview Segment 2: Guest Radley Balko

6- DGU Segment:

7- Email and Show Close:


1- Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the Polite Society Podcast  sponsored by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Sunday December 6th 2015, I’m Rob Morse.

John: I’m John Richardson and we talk with Psychiatrist Doctor Robert Young about violence and the mentally ill, and Radley Balko from the Washington Post talking about the militarization of police.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll bring you an undercover recording where New Jersey law  enforcement tells a woman “you’re too small to have a gun.”  Can you say “infringed”!

Garyl: I’m Gary Daugherty, and we have news about the recent terrorism in San Bernardino, California.  That and our regular stories of defensive gun use .. so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Rob:  episode 357 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.


Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)


John – It was a typical week for me. I taught, I worked, I went to a craft show with Barb. Interestingly, I’m seeing a handful of craft vendors using cartridge brass to make jewelry and other craft items. I think that’s cool and it is showing the growth and acceptance of the gun culture especially amongst women.


Rob- Don’t wear that in New Jersey or Washington, D.C.!


On a gun-related note, I participated in a webinar sponsored by the NSSF. It was meant to educate exhibitors at the SHOT Show on blog posts, photography, podcasting, and interviews. Nonetheless, I found some good stuff on there for media types like me.


Rachel- Austin Rifle Club range work – this week was .22 at 100 yards


Gary – What training do you have coming up?



Rob- Joined the Armed Citizen Legal Defense Network.  Carried all week. Some dry practice.


Promo about upcoming training classes here.


2- News 1


1-Rachel- San Bernardino Terrorism

Make no mistake, it was not climate change, not a random attack, not workplace violence.  This was not simply a mass shooting. San Bernardino Was. An. Act. Of. War.  And President Obama is aggressively trying to to disarm the American People in the face of this very personal new way of war .


Fourteen people died and a dozen more were injured when a radicalized Islamist and his Jihadist bride invaded a Holiday party of San Bernardino County employees. They carried illegally modified AR-15s, pistols and improvised explosives. They broached  the government building’s gun-free zone, making it a hunting preserve for the violent. None of California’s hundreds of gun-control laws made one bit of difference. The terrorists were able to escaped their carnage well before the police responded. Unaccounted hours later, they died in a hail of police bullets.


The bleeding hadn’t stopped before Hillary Clinton beclowned herself on Twitter demanding stricter gun control. Obama lagged by only minutes when he used CBS to further divide a shattered nation and push the blatantly unConstitutional “No Fly – No Buy” anti-gun bill. The following day he ignored the obvious Islamist connections to focus on the guns. He Ignored the organization that is spreading across the Middle East like a cancer, swallowing land, people, oil and wealth. It is almost certain that ISIS reached across the oceans to put two people on their murderous path – with that reach, it can easily put any weapons or explosives in other hands if required. Yet the administration is preparing a host of gun-control executive actions to further limit American’s gun rights. Obama has scheduled time Sunday evening to discuss the terror threat. Afterwards, law-abiding gun owners will likely have no doubt just who Obama considers the real threat.  


The deaths and injuries in San Bernardino make us sick, not only for the loss of innocent life, but the realization that this is part of a coming wave of Jihadi terrorism in the United States. As has been said before, one of the best ways to combat this decentralized terror war is to decentralize the response – and a well-armed populace does that best. We need the Second Amendment now, more than ever. To keep it, our lives and our freedom, we will fight anyone necessary; even you, Mr Obama.       


John: The New York Times, often a mouthpiece for this administration, filled their broadsheet with an extraordinarily rare above the fold front page editiorial demanding gun confiscation, “for the good of their fellow citizens.”   


Rob- This murder took place in California, the geo-political home of the “Don’t worry, we’ll take care of you” big government.  This was a shooting in a government building, so in a gun free zone.  On the campus of a school for the disabled.. another gun free zone.  The murderers bought their weapons legally.. well, except for the dozen bombs they made.  The cosmetic modifications that made their guns illegal in California took only seconds to install.  That tells us that gun control laws don’t stop, or even delay, armed criminals or terrorists.


The muslim murderers used pipe bombs.  Are we going to have a background check and waiting period for plumbing supplies?


As immigrants, two of the murderers were vetted by the immigration service and cleared to enter the United States.  Government security checks are a joke.


Gary comment- The president said global warming shot up the Christmas party.  You mean he was wrong?


Rachel- we agree. But what will we do?

John – Democrats and other progressives in the media were extremely disdainful of the prayers that were being sent by Republican politicians. The prayers that had been requested by the survivors.




There has been widespread criticism of President Obama’s response.

-Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan said California’s strict gun-control laws failed to prevent the San Bernardino mass shooting.   Quote “California has the toughest laws in the country. We probably have the second toughest (here in Maryland). It hasn’t stopped violent crime. We have more than 315 murders here in Baltimore City this year.” close quote.

-Two New York Sheriffs made public statements for licensed owners to carry concealed.

-Detroit police Chief James Craig said violent extremists were reluctant to target Detroit, as they had Paris last month, for fear armed citizens would shoot back.

“A lot of Detroiters have CPLs (concealed pistol licenses), and the same rules apply to terrorists as they do to some gun-toting thug,” Chief James Craig said. “If you’re a terrorist, or a carjacker, you want unarmed citizens.”

-Oakland University criminal justice professor Daniel Kennedy agreed that terrorists would be reluctant to attack armed citizens.  “We don’t have laboratories where we can test these theories, but there is something to the argument that terrorists want a high body count — and if they can only shoot a few people before they’re taken out themselves, it wouldn’t have the kind of impact they want.

-Ex-New York City police officer and terrorism expert Beau Dietl said he’s armed and ready to face any threat — and encouraged more citizens to do the same. “I’ve got a Glock on my hip.  If everyone was prepared to get involved, maybe we’d have fewer casualties. Even domestic terrorists hit places where they don’t think they’ll get much resistance, like movie theaters.  I think the answer is, whoever is able to carry a gun legally, it would help.”

-University President Jerry Falwell, Jr. said students should carry concealed while on campus.  It just blows my mind when I see that the president of the United States [saying] that the answer to circumstances like that is more gun control.  We have a certification class.  Take it.  Falwell believes if more “good people” had legally carried guns where terrorist attacks have happened, it could have “ended those Muslims before they walked in.”  The university’s four-hour permit class is offered by the campus police department.

-Congressman Louie Gohmert of Texas said the Obama administration has let loose criminals and massive numbers of violent terrorists in the U.S. so that the president can eventually tell people to “give up your Second Amendment rights because I let all these terrorists in.”  Close quote

-Even Time Magazine gave gun owners reasonable coverage“Assault weapons are not more powerful, they do not shoot more bullets, and they do not shoot faster. We would not be a safer society if we could eliminate all of the assault weapons because people could substitute for them non-assault weapons that are exactly the same.”


Rob- That is a wide range of commentators.

John – I think a lot of people are commenting with their pocket books. They are buying guns and getting CCW licenses or permits. I saw a picture of lines in seattle of people applying for their carry permits


Rob- black friday?


3- Gary- Measure to Turn the No-Fly List Into a No-Buy List Defeated in Senate.

Capitalizing on the fears surrounding the day-old San Bernardino terror tragedy, US Senate Democrats tried to pass the “No Fly – No Buy” bill that would eliminate the right to own or buy firearms for anyone finding themselves on the secret government “Terror Watch List”.  As we’ve discussed in prior weeks, Dianne Feinstein’s measure would have eliminated 2nd and 5th Amendment rights for anyone put on the list for any reason. Along with the right to keep and bear arms, due process and judicial review would end, as the reason for inclusion in the list could not be challenged or even known.  

Any reasoned analysis shows the dangerers of this legislation. The current Terror Watch List contains roughly a million Americans, many entries are in error. The list is secret, and the whys and whos that put the names there are also secret. The government has no requirement to remove or correct the information. The list is a very blunt, malformed tool.


There is little in the “No Fly – No Buy” legislation to prevent government bureaucrats from placing any person or group they dislike on the list. The legislation is an unConstitutional assault on the rights of Americans – totalitarian at its very core. Civil Libertarians should be screaming – but those beholden to the Progressive Left are strangely silent. Fortunately, the much maligned NRA is once again in the forefront of defending American Rights.  

The vote was 45 to 54 with only Mark Kirk of Illinois being the only Rino voting for it.  

The bill is dead, for now. However, like a bad penny – this bad bill will return.


The Democrats also brought back Manchin-Toomey universal background checks. It, too, was defeated. However, the margin was closer with RINOs Mark Kirk (IL), John McCain (AZ), Susan Collins (ME), and Pat Toomey (PA) voting for it.


John -. I watched the vote and debate on this and the Manchin-Toomey vote. An interesting argument was made against adding the no-fly list to the NICS denied list because terrorists could find they were being followed by merely attempting to buy a gun. This argument was made by Larry Keane of NSSF. I think this is something few proponents have considered.


Rachel-even those who call themselves conservatives, or gun carriers, support these measures. Want govt protection to feel safer. Need to take responsibility for themselves. Freedom is not safe.

Gary –


Rob-  MT requires universal registration.

John – I’ve looked into the FBI’s Terrorist Screening Database. It really does have very weak criteria for inclusion.


4- Rob- NJ2AS record sergeant’s bigotry against gun owners.. and small people

You don’t have the right to own a gun in New Jersey.  You can ask the state for permission to buy a gun.  The state has all the time in the world to think about their answer.  If and when they answer, they can say no for any reason, or really, for no reason at all.  The New Jersey Second Amendment Association recorded a number or law enforcement officers as they described how they issue permits to purchase a firearm.  Here is one of their video recordings  where a police sergeant says a citizen is too small to own a gun.


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New Jersey citizen Carol Bowne was murdered by a criminal stalker while she waited for a permit to buy a gun.  She waited 47 days for an answer.  Carol was murdered before the state answered her request.  Carol Bowne weighed 90 pounds.  She might have died because a New Jersey Law Enforcement Officer thought she was too small to protect herself with a firearm.  The NJ2AS will release another video tomorrow.


John- Did you hear the Sergeant?  He said he is never overturned.. no matter what excuse he gives for denying a permit.  The fix is in between the police and the judges.

Rachel-  The New Jersey judges say the permit denials were not an infringement because someone, somewhere, at sometime was actually granted a permit to buy a firearm after they waited long enough.  Yeah, I’d say that is an infringement.

Rob- I don’t respect this Policemen.  So are the men in blue going to police their own and straighten this out so citizens are treated fairly?  I doubt it.  I hate bigots.

John – Remember that old quote – God made men, Samuel Colt made them equal.


5- Rachael- The Democrats KNEW they were lying about guns

Second Amendment advocate David Hardy recently went digging in the Clinton Library archives.  He came up with this money quote.  It was sent from President Jimmy Carter’s press secretary Jody Powell to the press secretary of the Clinton Administration, George Stephanopoulos.


Quote- ““Much as I hate to say it, the NRA is effective primarily because it is largely right when it claims that most gun control measures inconvenience and threaten the law-abiding while having little or no impact on violent crime and criminals.  I support registration in principle. But two questions need to be asked. Are the people causing the problem going to comply voluntarily? If not, do you have a way to effectively enforce compliance?”  Close quote.


The cover sheet shows a handwritten note.  George Stephanopoulos commented in a handwritten note as he sent the memo on to President Clinton.  Quote “This makes a lot of sense.”


They knew the truth about the failure of gun control for the last 20+ years.


Rob- The Clinton’s lost all credibility with me.



6- John- Where do thugs and terrorists get guns?

The main stream media says that honest gun owners like you and me are giving guns to criminals.  It ain’t so.  Witness the break-in at the Lincoln Stoddard Army Reserve Center in Worcester, Massachusetts.  The breakin was well-planned and bold.  A single thief broke into the alarmed building through the roof. Once inside, he cut a hole in the top of the weapons vault.  The vault was made from steel reinforced concrete.  The thief breached the vault using power tools.


Security video showed a man making several trips from the armory to his car.  He took at least six M-4 rifles and 10 handguns.  He left behind traces of blood.


Law enforcement matched the blood to 34-year-old James Morales, who is out on bail from New York State.  Morales was charged with child rape and indecent assault on a child under 14 years old.  Later investigations confirmed Mister Morales’s electronic monitoring bracelet at the scene of the firearms theft.  Morales was arrested.  He’d been at the armory recently to receive his discharge papers from the national guard.  Some of the weapons were recovered in New York City.


Comment ??-  You can certainly get illegal guns into the US if you can move billions of dollars of drugs and millions of dollars across the border.


comment-?? We’re told that civilians are the source of guns in crime, but the average time from when a gun is legally sold to a private citizen until the time the gun is used in a crime is over 12 years.




7- Gary- NY Assemblyman Silver convicted.. is Cuomo next?

The new York SAFE act turned New York firearms owners into criminals.  Three men forced it through in the middle of the night.  Of the three, one has been convicted in court, one is on trial, and the last one, Andrew Cuomo, still sits in the New York governor’s mansion.


Former New York Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver was convicted of a 5 million dollar public-corruption case.  Silver’s conviction automatically removed him from office and barred him from ever holding a state position again.  Silver was found guilty of honest-services fraud, extortion and money-laundering.  He traded political favors and then lied about it.  He will probably spend the rest of his life in prison.


The jury is still out on New York Senate Leader Dean Skelos.  Skelos is charged with influence-peddling along with his son.


The federal prosecutor says Cuomo is next.  I wonder how much a New York anti-gun billionaire paid to have the New York Safe act pass in the middle of the night?


Rob- Silver got contracts steered to friends and took a cut.  He got property rezoned.

John- One down, two to go.


8- Rob- Mainstream Lies at 11 o’clock

Pity the mainstream news media.  They lose their jobs if we simply ignore them.  The BBC and Mother Jones said there were more than one mass public shooting a day in the United States.  They lied, but it is important to understand how and why.


It starts with FBI statistics.  The rate of mass murder has been fairly constant for years.  Under order of President Obama, the FBI redefined mass murder.  The old definition used to be four victims killed with a gun in a public place.  The Obama administration changed the number to two people in 2012.  Some archives also dropped the requirement for the homicide to be in a public place.  Some counted the murderer as one of the victims.  Those changes are important.


The new definition reclassified and confuses every domestic murder-suicide done in private with a mass public shooting done in a school or at a mall.  The new definition produced the expected, and the politically desired,  jump in “public shooting statistics”.


That still wasn’t enough.   Some of the unofficial data now comes from online news agencies instead of the FBI.  Rather than only counting the victims who were killed according to police reports, these source let Google do the work to add up the reported number of injured.  That is probably the data Mother Jones and the BBC used to inflate their news reports.   What used to be described as a Friday Night gangland drive-by in Chicago, is now a “mass public shooting”.  The news media doesn’t tell you that most of their “mass public shootings” were not murders at all.  


The commercial press tells their viewers what they want to believe in the simplest possible terms.  “Guns”..  “NRA”.. and “America”.. are familiar icons around the world.  The announcer describes the news as if he’s reading from child’s picture book.


Why lie like that?  The fact is, the United States is boring.  TV viewers would have changed the channel if the reporter told the whole truth and nothing but the truth.


Rachel- Like Dr. Lott says, we have to have good statistics…and then we have to use them correctly.

John – Interestingly enough, the national editor of Mother Jones had an op-ed in the NY Times saying the Times had overestimated the number of mass shootings.

Rachel- Hey, this is good news.  If the reporters told the truth all the time we wouldn’t have a polite society podcast.




9- Rachel- Black lives don’t matter if blacks pulled the trigger in democrat towns

We had three people shot at from a Planned Parenthood office in Colorado.  The media didn’t tell you that none of the patients or staff were shot.  The murderer shot from the Planned Parenthood building and shot people in parking lots up to 350 yard away.  That isn’t the story the media wants to tell.  The story was used for political purposes instead.


Black on black crime doesn’t make the news despite the shocking toll of dead and injured.  Right after the planned parenthood shooting, several men shot at a park full of 300 people in a gang retaliation shooting.  17 were injured.  All the gang members were black.  Five were arrested.  Most had prior records for drugs.  Bail was set at 1.7 million dollars.  That happened in New Orleans.

Chicago has similar shootings every weekend.  We don’t know why the media is silent about those shootings.  Were they silent because the victims are black, or because the politicians are democrats?

Our condolences to the citizens who must live there and the injured.


John – More people were injured at Sally’s Beauty Supply. Why not call


10- John- Doctors urged to treat gun ownership as a disease

Judith Katzburg spoke at the American Public Health Association’s annual meeting.  She spoke during a panel titled, “The Tipping Point: Activating a Public Health Movement to Address Gun Violence.”  She urged doctors to “push the agenda” securing gun control.  Quote, “We are hoping to forge a national coalition of partners to push the agenda of a public health approach to gun violence prevention forward.”  Katzburg works for Veterans Affairs in their VA Greater LA Healthcare System. Gun control proponents want to control a federal agency and implement new gun regulations unilaterally.  They can act outside the law and without the hindrances of Congress, much as environmentalists have exercised control through the EPA.


Rob- Your tax dollars at work. And the VA leaves vets to die.

John – Think how many vets have been added to the NICS denied list by the VA.


11- Gary- Pew Research – Gun Homicide Down 49%

You’d never know it listening the mainstream media or our president, but gun homicides are down 49% from their 1993 peak according to a study from the Pew Research Center.  Most Americans are unaware that gun crime is lower today than it was two decades ago, and the vast majority think it is significantly higher.  

The government statistics used by Pew don’t lie. Gun crime is decreasing even while American are buying more guns. These facts destroy the anti-gunners firmly held beliefs that guns cause crime. These inconvenient truths are probably why the media and politicians don’t want to publicize these facts. We strongly recommend that you take the time to read the pew Center’s excellent report. It’s fascinating reading. You’ll find all sorts of interesting facts the elites don’t want you to know. We’ve included a link in the show notes.


Rob- Is violence a required part of the news..and sold to the viewers.

John –


Rachel- Gun Quote–  This week’s gun quote came from journalist and second amendment commentator Bob Owens.  Bob tweeted “Seriously. Conservatives own 200+ million guns and 12 trillion rounds of ammo. If we were violent, you’d know it.”


Rachel- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with Doctor Robert Young and Radley Balko.



4- Interview 1

Psychiatrist Robert Young from doctors for responsible gun ownership- drgo.us

Are the mentally ill violent?

Who are they violent towards?

Are the mentally ill less violent when they are treated?

Are the mentally ill less violent when they are medicated?

What should we do if a friend or family member is having problems?


5- Interview 2

Radley Balko


6- DGUs


John 1- Friday Night Death

A Friday night’s adventure resulted in murder charges for two home invaders. and a ride to the morgue for the third.  The three men decided to break down a Houston area homeowner’s door. The residents heard the noise, scattered and hid. When the criminals entered the bedroom,

the homeowner fired once through the closet door.

Arriving deputies found a blood trail, but were not able to find the suspect on scene or in any nearby hospitals.  When police stopped a car 6 miles from the burglary, they found the intruder dead in the backseat. His confederates tried to run, but were caught after a chase. The two will face murder charges for the death of the third, which occurred during the commission of a felony.  

Gary 2- Bringing a Knife to a Gunfight
A man talked his way into the hotel room of a Army soldier – and into an armed  burglary rap. The robber posed as a hotel maintenance worker checking the plumbing. He was convincing enough that the soldier allowed him into the room – where the criminal pulled a knife. The off-duty soldier pulled a gun right back and ordered the hapless thief to the ground.  Officers arrived and arrested the 43-year-old suspect on suspicion of burglary and related charges. No shots were fired.

Comment: Don’t let anybody you don’t know or haven’t verified into your personal space. Just say Hell No! And have a weapon on you. You never know when.

Rachel-off-duty soldiers apparently are better off and safer carrying




Rob- 3- Four against three – and a gun
Early in the Ohio morning, four men kicked in the front door of a Ravenna home. They rushed the two men and a woman occupying the home. However, one of the occupants had a gun, and used it to defend the trio. Two invaders  were shot and all beat a hasty retreat.  The two wounded thugs didn’t make it far before being arrested with non-life-threatening wounds. Their two confederates remains at large.



Rob- know the distance and the time it takes to hit a target.


Rachel 4- Climbing to Their Death
Two athletic burglars climbed up a balcony and into the afterlife. The balcony lead to a Georgian apartment, which contained two residents and a gun. One suspect was found dead in the apartment, another man expired in the field behind the apartment house.

The situation is evolving and uncertain as the 911 tape has one of the roommates saying “I think that’s why I shot that guy. They were running out the door and I pulled the trigger.” Neighbors believe the roommates had been robbed the prior weekend, perhaps by the same men. Police have not released the names of the two dead and are questioning the two men who live in the apartment.


John 5- Detroit Area Crime Spree Ends
A wounded Concealed Pistol License holder, a security guard and the police teamed up to stop a long running crime spree in the Detroit area’s ethnic food trucks and bars.


The owner of the Happy Bar argued with an armed masked robber and was shot in the leg for his resistance. The owner then pulled his CPL weapon and shot the robber multiple times. The ventilated robber’s confederates grabbed him and eventually dumped him at a nearby hospital’s emergency room. Before they got away from the hospital, a security guard noted the car license plate. Police arrested the wounded robber and tracked the car to a residence where another was apprehended. The third is still on the loose.  

The thieves are suspected in a long string of food truck and bar robberies.

A bar employee also carries, claiming that desperate times calls for desperate measures. “This is Detroit, we live in Detroit,” she said. Sporting a wounded leg, the bar owner is back at work. This is Detroit, indeed.




Gary- 6 wrong apartment

A woman living in Stone Mountain Georgia was followed as she entered an apartment complex.  A man forced his way into the apartment and assaulted the woman.  That is when a man who lives in the apartment appeared with his gun.  He shot the assailant.  They then called police and remained in the apartment.  The intruder was pronounced dead at the scene.  No charges were filed against the victims.

Our web search showed several assaults at this apartment complex, but we suspect the assailant knew the victim.


Rachel- You will have seconds to respond if someone breaks down your door. How long would it take you to get your gun right now?

Rob- comment- Rachel, you’ve asked that before and you convinced me to carry at home.  I was talking with a trainer about this situation.  You can’t stand back and press the trigger.  You have to grab onto the assailant and hold on to put metal on meat.


John- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.



7- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Rob- I apologize to our listeners.  A few emails slipped through the cracks while we were off a couple of weeks ago.


Rob-  The first one begins- Gentlemen,


[If you post this or use it on the podcast, please remove my last name. Thanks!]


In case you weren’t aware, POTUS signed the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) of 2016 yesterday, including a provision for SECDEF to establish a process for commanders to allow carrying of firearms on a military installation if deemed necessary for personal- or force-protection reasons. It remains to be seen how local policies will change, since SECDEF and installation commanders have a lot of latitude in the way they implement this policy.


Assuming local commanders allow it (yes, a big assumption), the policy will most likely require compliance with local laws. There are many states, unfortunately, where military members still cannot obtain a carry license in their host state due to restrictive “may issue” policies or discrimination against nonresidents. My current state of Illinois is a prime example. This leaves the federal military installation’s security at the mercy of its host state, and its members unable to carry either on or off the installation. Yikes!


I’ve written more here if you wish to read it: http://morsel.info/?p=517


Happy Thanksgiving,


John comment- In the defense department funding bill-

EPA can’t regulate lead bullets

surplus arms go to Civilian Marksmanship Program

carry on military base up to base commanders

Gary –

John –


Rachel- Jeff sent in this short one


I really appreciate your mention of the four rules of gun handling which precede each broadcast. Thank you



Rachel: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


Rob- I wrote about insane murderers and insane politicians.  Muslim Terrorists killed over 500 people in France this year, and yesterday, President Obama said the United States is the only country where we have public violence like a gunman shooting three people near a Planned Parenthood office.  The Democrat solution is to disarm you.. and call the terrorism “workplace violence”.  That article is up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland, and at my blog at slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  


John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money


If you or I were to use a company credit card to get a cash advance so as to gamble at a casino on company time, we’d be fired. However, if you are a BATFE Special Agent who did this, you get promoted to Special Agent in Charge of a Field Division as well as being made a member of the Senior Executive Service. The Dept of Justice Office of Inspector General’s report does not name which one of the 25 SAC’s is the culprit. It says something about the culture of a law enforcement organization when something like this is glossed over.


That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

Rob- I wonder what that employee knows that makes them so “valuable”


Gary- We would like to thank Charlie Foxtrot for writing up show notes for us. Even though you don’t hear him on the air he is certainly part of what you do hear. Look at his blog at not one more gun law dot blogspot dot com


Rob: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Doctor Robert Young and Radley Balko for joining us today.  Paul should be back next week.  I’ll be there, John?  Rachel?  Gary?  I’m looking forward to it.  – Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.


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