Episode 240 – Vinnie Brown

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Saturday, May 31st, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson, and on today’s episode we have a discussion about veterans issues and the state of the nation’s defense.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of self-defense news and defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
John: strap in.
Paul and hang on! Episode 240 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Paul- Rachel is busy saving Texas at the largest political convention in the world, the republican party convention in Fort Worth, Texas.

Rob- I went out to the desert to shoot my Mosin Nagant. The mojo sights work, but they swim in the desert heat. I really need a limbsaver butt pad. I have a rubber pad, but I come home looking like my shoulder went to a bar fight and got stepped on. I hit a rock behind the cardboard target and turned it to gravel. I have to bed the barrel to get minute of accuracy, but I’m at minute of pig already.

I had fun asking a dozen firearms instructors about guns and alcohol. Their answers will make it into the midweeks show’s tips and tricks segment.

I signed up to coach at an NRA Women on Target event.

John – About the only thing I did gun related since Wednesday was look at the empty spot where .22 LR ammo used to be at WalMart. I spoke to the clerk who said they hadn’t had any in for the last 3 weeks. However, we have a new Dicks opening up on Friday and I plan to hit it when it opens even though they waffled on the 2A after Newtown.

Gary- playing catch up in the store. Lots of local orders.

Paul- Training a student driver in the truck. Got home at 5AM.


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Seg 2- News


Rob- There are rules for the rich and famous, and there are separate rules for the rest of the students at Brown University.  Actress Emma Watson graduated from Brown this week.  Sitting next to her was a personal bodyguard wearing a cap and gown.. and open carrying a pistol.  So far, so good, except this is a gun-free zone.  Providence Rhode Island police and Brown university confirmed that the bodyguard was not working for them.  This means you get to break the law if you are one of the rich and famous.  This means campus security will call out the SWAT team and arrest you if you are a young woman working late nights delivering pizza while carrying a sidearm for personal protection.. unless you can afford your own private security detail.  I have no problem with the bodyguard carrying firearms.  I have a problem with Brown denying self-protection to everyone else.  When asked, spokesmen for Brown University and Watson’s publicist refused to comment.

Comments-  Is this what it boils down to?  We’re too important to arrest, and we can cause you more trouble than you can cause for us.

Paul- Governor Eddie Calvo signed “shall issue” into law for the US territory of Guam.  The bill covers all weapons including firearms, grants a permit for three years, and requires a written excuse for denial.  Guam was covered by the 9th circuit courts Peruta decision.  The territory of Guam joins the 40 states who are already shall issue.  Too bad for the ten who are slow to learn.  Six states allow bureaucrats to arbitrarily deny concealed carry. They are Connecticut, Delaware, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey and New York.

Comments- Rob, I’m coming to respect the legislators in Guam a lot more than I do the legislators in California where I live.

John- The power to regulate is the power to destroy.  That is why banks have to listen when the Department of Justice under Operation “choke point” advised banks to refuse accounts to certain business.. businesses such as firearms and ammunition dealers. Also targeted were porn stars, payday lenders, and online lending. The DOJ took a FDIC memo about “high risk activity” and started issuing subpoenas improperly under the a section of the Financial Institutions Reform, Recovery, and Enforcement Act of 1989 according to a report issued Thursday by the House Oversight Committee.

That is what happened to Mark Cohen, the owner of Powderhorn Outfitters located in Hyannis, Massachusetts.  The company had done business with TD Bank for years, but were denied a line of credit even though their finances were good and their credit history was spotless.  The bank said they could not approve credit because Powderhorn Outfitters sells guns.

Comment- Rob- so the federal government is for sale and each party in power gets to abuse everyone else.  Well that stinks and we should take away Barack’s phone and his pen.

John- The US House of Representatives took steps in that direction on Thursday when they passed an amendment to stop all federal funding used for the Department of Justice’s Operation Choke Point.

The amendment was brought to the floor by Rep. Blane Luetkemeyer, a Republican from Missouri, who is a member of the House Financial Services Committee and is vice chairman of the House Small Business Committee. The amendment was sponsored by three democrats and two more republicans. The voice vote came as part of the debate on the annual spending bill for the Justice Department and needs Senate approval to become law.

Rob- Two House Democrats introduced legislation Friday to deny firearms to more people.  Representatives Mike Thompson (D-Calif.) and Ed Perlmutter (D-Colo.) want to prohibit

gun purchases and firearms ownership to those convicted of misdemeanor stalking, as well as those receiving involuntary mental health services on an outpatient basis.  Both categories would go into a newly formed FBI database.

*** Comments-  Good that a conviction is required rather than merely the accusation of stalking.  The accusation of stalking is often used as lawfare during divorce.

Bad that the legislation will scare people away from seeking treatment for mental health conditions.  Note that you need not be found to be a harm to yourself or others, and the category could be misused to include someone who was hospitalized for an unfavorable drug interaction.

Rob- That is exactly what has happened to some California gun owners.

I did not see an appeals process once you are on the data base, nor if the ban was temporary or applied for a lifetime.

Paul- So the government that can’t find 10 million illegal aliens says it will find 100 million firearms.  Did I tell you that the Santa Barbara Sheriff’s office forgot to look for the Santa Barbara murderer’s name on the list of firearms owners?  Yhep, that’s true even though law enforcement was called by the killer’s parents and his mental health counselors who were worried he was suicidal.

Comment- Rob- According to California legislators, the cure to fix big unresponsive government is more laws and  more government.

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John- The Louisiana legislature passed, and Governor Bobby Jindal signed into law a bill allowing suppressors to be used to take both game and nongame animals.  This allows farmers and ranchers to hunt nongame animals with suppressed firearms.  Think of a rancher shooting a predator like a coyote at dusk when he doesn’t want to frighten his herd.  He also doesn’t want to scare off the second predator.  Montana is the only state that forbids using suppressors to take nongame animals.

Rob- I always wondered why pig and coyote hunters didn’t use suppressed firearms.  I’m sure the farmers and their neighbors appreciate it.

Paul- Life is hard.. but it is harder when you’re stupid.  The chain of Sonic drive-through restaurants proudly announced that it is a gun-free company as of last Friday.  They asked their customers not to carry, and the corporate management forbids their employees from carrying on premises.  Within hours, one of their employees was robbed delivering food to a customer in Topeka, Kansas.

Comment- John- Maybe gun free zones are dangerous.

Rob- Doctor John Lott asked the question, “How can we prevent mass murderers?”  We have part of the answer from the Santa Barbara murderer himself.  This crazy man spent over 18 months meticulously planning his attack.  His 141-page “manifesto”  (link to searchable PDF) makes it clear he feared someone with a gun could stop him before he was able to kill as many as he wanted.  Here is one section where he considers when and where to attack.

Quote “Another option was Deltopia, a day in which many young people pour in from all over the state to have a spring break party on Del Playa Street.  I figured this would be the perfect day to attack Isla Vista, but after watching Youtube videos of previous Deltopia parties, I saw that there were way too many cops walking around on such an event.  It would be impossible to kill enough of my enemies before being dispatched by those damnable cops.”

He told us that mass murderers fear honest men with guns.  That is why the murderer attacked disarmed citizens in a “gun-free” zone next to campus.

Comment-  John-  Yhep, gun-free zones ARE dangerous.

John- The Santa Barbara murderer thought women were supposed to act like pornstars and sleep with him.  His “manifesto” documents how much he hated the women who wouldn’t.  Wanting to shame both men and firearms in one lie, the anti-gun group Moms Demand Action made up data and said that US women make up the vast majority of those women killed with firearms.  Doctor Lott dug up the real data and called the Bloomberg group a bunch of liars.Lott chart woman percent

Comment- Rob- Please support Doctor Lott’s Crime Prevention Research Center with a monthly donation.  I did.

Paul- Here is our daily gun quote, and this one is by Ann Coulter.  She said, “The most crazed religious fanatic argues in more calm and reasoned tones than liberals responding to statistics on concealed-carry permits.”

Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this
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Seg 3 Interview with veteran Vinnie Brown
Segment 4 DGUs

Paul and Gary discuss Vinnie.
Rob- This DGU was e-mailed in by listener Scott Gibbons. I’ve met Scott, so thank you.

A 28 year old marine veteran sat down to lunch in north Harris county, Texas when he noticed two men dressed in hoodies with bandanas over their faces running from a GameStop video center.  They were stuffing cash, video games and X-boxes into their car trunk.  The marine walked out to his truck when one of the robbers pointed a gun at him.  The marine has his Texas Concealed Handgun License and was carrying.  He shot the robber and the robber fled to his getaway car.  The second criminal simply turned and headed the other way.  Bystanders reported the criminal stripping off his hoodie and bandana as he ran.  The first robber died at the scene while the second was picked up by police in a nearby shopping center.

Police investigators released the veteran after questioning.  He was not hurt but was still shaken up by the experience.  Bystanders said, “This is our neighborhood and I just want to say thank you. My kids go in that Gamestop.”


John- Three men knocked on an apartment door early Thursday morning.  The resident answered her door in the Laurel Ridge Apartments of East Point, Georgia.  The men claimed they were with the East Point Police Department, and they tried to force their way into the apartment when the women cracked the door to look.  One of the intruders had a gun, but the resident was ready with her own handgun.  She fired three times and struck one of the teens in the head and buttocks.  Police captured the injured teen, but his accomplices escaped.

Neighbors were glad their neighbor was armed.

Comment-  The neighbors were tired of the crime.

Paul- This DGU couldn’t happen to a nicer guy.  On the west side of Detroit, two criminals were robbing and beating their victim late Monday night.  One of the criminals was busy pistol whipping the the victim when the gun went off and struck the other criminal in the neck.  The Detroit News doesn’t report if the wounded criminal died at the scene or was transported to the hospital.

Comment- Rob- They pass a handful of new laws if a nut shoots white kids in California.  Then the media and legislators yawn about brown people getting shot in Detroit and Chicago.

John- Call them murders, not shootings.

Paul- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

John – Despite the obvious relevance of my post about gun shot wounds infected with “squirrel parts”, I think I’ll just mention a post from this morning. Friday, the White House Press Secretary Jay Carney resigned and was replaced by Josh Earnest. While he does not appear to be anywhere near as smarmy as Jay Carney – and it would be a hard thing to do – of more concern to us in the gun culture is one of Earnest’s former jobs. He was a communications advisor to Mayor Bloomberg back when Bloomberg first ran for office. Earnest bears watching.

Paul: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member, there are lots of other prizes as well,  and the drawing is coming up the end of June!

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John: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.

Rob: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Maryland Shall Issue,  Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and  Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners.

Paul: There are Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance,  Nebraska Firearms Owners Association,   Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,New York State Rifle & Pistol Association,  Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, Virginia Citizens Defense League, Virginia Open Carry,  West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.  Remember if your state or local organization isn’t read each episode, then send us an email and we’ll add them!

Gary: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association.

John: Until we find the billionaires for liberty, you and I have to fund Doctor John Lott’s sociological research about firearms.  I did, and now you do it too.  His effort is called the Crime Prevention Research Center on Indigogo.  Here is the Facebook page.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the (mid-week / weekend )show…
Rob: stay safe,
Gary: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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