Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live Wednesday, May 7th, 2014. I’m Rob Morse.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll have a short interview with Anthony Colandro.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news and defensive gun use.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on! Episode 235 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Personal news from each participant
John: I picked up my renewed North Carolina Concealed Handgun Permit this afternoon. It took 42 days from start to finish. I know that is long by some standards but my original CHP took 85 days for processing. Under NC law, I believe they had 45 days to process it.
Rob- I ordered a new aperture sight for my Mosin. Yes, it cost nearly as much as the rifle John sold me.
Rachel: I attended a 1,000-yard qualification shoot and made some really cool 1,000-yard shots….thanks to an amazing spotter who knows his stuff, and a great equipment set-up I was able to use. I also voted against a tax increase in our municipal elections.
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Thank You for the Skills
I am a big advocate for firearms training, and here is why. A fool fails to learn from his mistakes while a wise man learns from his own mistakes AND from other people’s mistakes as well. Learning from others is the cheap and easy way to learn when it comes to armed self-defense. Call it wholesale wisdom. I’ve gone to many firearms instructors because I want to avoid expensive mistakes.
Think about it. Almost every “gun-safety rule” is the distilled wisdom taken from other people’s painful errors. Yes, you could teach yourself to shoot. If time and money and blood are no object, then go for it. I hear it builds character. Me, I’ve chosen to get good instruction because my time, my money and my blood are precious. I don’t want to waste any of them.
Here is another reason to get training. No one makes mistakes on purpose. That is why we do the wrong thing so long before we finally figure out our mistake. The problem is we don’t know what we don’t know. A good firearms instructor sees what we’re doing and guides us from there.. correcting one bad mistake at a time. Together, you and your instructor fix the foundation before you advance to the finer points of shooting.
Finally, a good instructor knows how to safely push us to failure. One view of instruction say that training starts at failure, and anything less is simply exercise and review. I want guidance as I push to failure with a gun. Don’t you?
I’d like to end by saying “Thank you!” to all my instructors. I may not be the best student, but I am one of the most grateful.
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Rachel – Don’t worry, the police will protect us. Unfortunately NY city police are busy chasing a dead man, and can’t seem to catch him, or catch on to the fact that he died 8 years ago. Police have raided the home several times, and the family now posts the death certificate on the door.
John – The US Supreme Court decided not to grant certiorari to the New Jersey case Drake v Jerejian. They denied the case without comment. When we had Frank Fiamingo on the show in April, he, like the rest of us, was cautiously optimistic that the Court would take the case. We have the necessary split in circuits and it seemed a relevant 2nd Amendment case. Since we will never know what happens in the Court’s case conferences where they decide which case to take and which one to deny, we can only guess why we didn’t get 4 Justices voting to hear the case.
Rob – The related case of Peruta versus Gore in San Diego has broad implications since the 9th circuit includes both Hawaii and Guam. A proposed bill in Guam would change Guam from may issue to shall issue. Amendments to bill 296 would prevent a felon from applying for a gun for 10 years, require mental capacity as well as the physical capacity to own and operate a firearm, and would require a firearms training course within the last 5 years.
Good for Guam. Similar bills recently failed in committee in my home state of California.
John – Team Republican won the Top Gun title in this year’s Congressional Sportsman’s Caucus’ Annual Congressional Shoot-Out. Rep. Collin Peterson, a Democrat from Minnesota, took overall Top Gun for members of Congress. The Shoot-Out features Members of Congress, industry officials, and other supporters of the shooting sports in skeet, trap, and sporting clays competitions. While I might have liked to see an IDPA course of fire or a 3-Gun course of fire in addition to shotgun sports, it is still good to see some Congressmen engaging in the shooting sports.
Rob – In continuing news from the NRA Annual Meeting, it seems that there was a dip in teen violence in downtown Indianapolis while the NRA was in town. The Indianapolis Metropolitan Police Department reported that it was the most peaceful Saturday downtown for the month of April. While correlation isn’t causation, in this case I think that with a good portion of the 75,000 NRA attendees carrying firearms we might just have to say it made a difference.
Rachel – Listeners may remember we reported back in April on how Tennessee Gov. Bill Haslam helped get Constitutional Carry and guns in parks killed in committee. The Tennessee Firearms Association (TFA) has now initiated an open records request with the TN Dept of Safety. They also want to know of any communications relating to the bills in questions originating in the Governor’s Office, Safety Commissioner Bill Gibbons office, and from the offices of at least 8 members of the TN legislature. It should be noted that Gov. Haslam had made a pledge to sign a Constitutional Carry bill if it crossed his desk. It is easy to keep your pledge if you make sure it never gets to your desk!
John – And in stealth news coming out of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives, it seems that they posted a 60-day request for comment on April 15th. It seems that BATFE is seeking to expand the multiple sale reporting requirement for some semiautomatic rifles (mag feed in a caliber greater than .22LR) to the rest of the United States. Currently, it is restricted to California, Arizona, New Mexico, and Texas. Given that nearly a month has elapsed and that the BATFE has posted NO notice of this rule-making proposal on their website, we need to get the word out and people need to start submitting comments. The comment period ends on June 16th.
Rob- I encourage you to tell the BATFE to stop wasting our time and money.
Rob – You’re not likely to read about this negligent gun use in the news. A police officer shot himself in the leg with his handgun while drawing his sidearm. This happened during a Special Weapons and Tactics training conference taking place in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Yes, you heard that correctly that a highly trained SWAT cop had a negligent discharge and endangered others. There are two points to bear in mind. Don’t become complacent around firearms. Don’t believe that you are a greater risk to the public or have a weaker character than law enforcement officers. We are human, and so are the police.
The wounded officer is expected to make a full recovery.
Rachel- Gun Quotes
Federalist papers number 51 If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this interview with Anthony Colandro
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Segment 4 DGUs
Rob – DGU- A 20 year old man rattled the front and back doors of a Phoenix home on Tuesday morning. He then smashed in the patio door with a garden tool while the homeowner hid in her bathroom. The female homeowner had called the police. She had also grabbed her firearm and had it with her in the bathroom. The man pushed open the bathroom door and struck the women. She then fired one shot. The home invader was transported to the local hospital and is expected to survive. The homeowner, age 47 and recently widowed, was given medical care at the scene and did not know the intruder. Phoenix police said no charges would be filed against the homeowner.
With a recent death in the family, I’m betting this was a search for drugs.
John – DGU with no shots fired. I’m not sure if this was a kidnapping or a car theft, but Marcus Forbes answered a Craigslist advertisement selling a Dodge Charger. Forbes asked to take the car for a test drive with the owner. Forbes continued to drive the car away even when the owner asked him to turn around. Instead Forbes turned onto Interstate highway 65 and headed south. It took 40 miles of arguing before the car owner pulled his gun and ordered Forbes to stop. The owner then called police. Forbes was taken into custody and charged with Criminal Confinement, Attempted Theft and other charges.
Craigslist is a common feeding ground for robbery.
Rachel- DGU- Three teenagers stormed into a Pharr, Texas smoke shop early Monday morning. The store had been robbed several times in the last few months. The three teens were wearing hooded sweatshirts with the hoods drawn up and they yelled “hands up” as they entered. The store owner drew his firearm, shot and killed 18-year-old Julio Cesar Perez. The two other teens were charged with murder due to Perez’s death. One is in custody and the police are still seeking other suspects.
John –Teen burglars need to learn you just don’t mess with the elderly because it could be fatal. That is what two teen burglars found out to their detriment this past Sunday morning in Sacramento, California. An elderly widow, Alice Hubbard Gordinho, and her older brother, Brently Hubbard, were awakened by the teen burglars. The reason Mr. Hubbard was staying there was because there had been a series of burglaries at the home. Neighbors report hearing a series of shots and the Sacramento PD found two dead burglars when they arrived around 12:15am. Mr. Hubbard supposedly shot the two teens as they were headed out of the house. Neither the widow nor her brother are facing any criminal charges. Sacramento PD spokesperson Michele Gigante said people have the right to defend themselves when they fear for their safety.
Of course, relatives of 14-year old Michael Sambrano and his 16-year-old best friend Steven Crider say they didn’t deserve to be shot. Many of the neighbors beg to differ saying justice was served. All I can say is that if you want to do the crime, you better be willing to pay the price.
Rob – DGU- It wouldn’t feel like a DGU segment without a item from Detroit. An off duty Detroit police officer worked at a pharmacy in the 600 block of Carpenter Street. The officer walked outside to make a phone call, when a man approached the officer and demanded his phone.
The officer refused, and the robber pulled a gun. The officer slapped the gun away and ran into the pharmacy. The robber shot at the officer through the pharmacy door before the officer shot once and struck the suspect in the face. The suspect is in serious condition.
Rachel- A woman in Dallas, TX shot a man who was stabbing her last week. Here’s how the event unfolded. Angela Martin was sitting in her car Friday evening, talking to another woman. The discussion turned into an argument, and the other woman’s husband (Louis Rodriguez) came and joined the fight. Martin then pulled her handgun out of her purse and placed it in her lap. Rodriguez pulled out a knife and began stabbing Martin – she responded by firing several fatal shots. Unfortunately, Rodriguez’s brother, who was reportedly trying to stop him from stabbing Martin, was accidentally hit by a bullet in the abdomen. He’s currently recovering. Martin made a statement to law enforcement, who say that a grand jury referral will be made.
John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.
We’ll be back after this advertisement and tips and tricks segment.
Tips and tricks segment
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Listener e-mail discussion
Rob- We received this e-mail from a listener is Southern California.
Hi guys, was just listening to the podcast and heard you talk about Orange County and the lady that was annoyed about the Sheriff opening up for CCW permits and her appointment being in July of next year. That is most likely true, but misses an awful lot of explanation.
First off, Orange County is one of the few that isn’t waiting for Peruta to be certain. It’s a very sudden change in policy and Orange County Sheriff Department has hired a lot of people and brought back previously retired deputies to get through the backlog.
Of the three people I know going for their CCW permit in Orange County, they were given crazy distant appointments but told on the phone that as they build up the department and staff they should be given updated appointments. That happened, and they are currently within a three month schedule to get the permit having been told when they applied a date over one year in the future. They are now looking to receive their permits in the next three
Of course, still delayed, but until a few months ago thousands of people were being denied and now are not – and the department is working hard, including weekends to move things through as quickly as possible.
Whereas in Riverside County, our Sheriff has made zero move to change his
closed off CCW policy. So, while I am here, I’m hoping you can throw out a mention as I know you will have a large listenership in California.
The mention would be for Chad Bianco who is running for Sheriff in Riverside County, and for anyone in Riverside or knows anyone in Riverside County to tell their friends about him.
Our current Sheriff doesn’t issue CCW’s to citizens unless they have strong so called “good cause”… while he is also telling us he is a strong second amendment supporter, yet has gone on record stating that his current policy of requiring proof of imminent danger – that sees 781 CCW permits in 2013 in a county with 2.5 million residents – is a good one.
Lieutenant Chad Bianco who is challenging him in the upcoming election however is of the mind that as long as you are legal, no matter how Peruta plays out, you will get one. By electing him we can get in front of the Peruta ruling and avoid having to sue the Riverside Sheriff for his requirements for extra paperwork (Going against CA Penal Code) and over any
other roadblocks he tries to throw up post Peruta. Plus, Chad Bianco is a good man seeking to become a good Sheriff, more than a good politician.
I also figure no matter how CCW plays out in the courts, we don’t need a Sheriff that doesn’t trust us with carrying guns let alone one that only stands up and supports the keeping guns part of the 2nd Ammendment.
Name withheld by request.
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Rob: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.
John: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is the weekend of May 17 in Philadelphia. Go to Cornered Cat dot com for more classes and details.
John : Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob: John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?
Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.
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Rob: Join theNational Rifle Association,Second Amendment Foundation,Gun Owners of America andJews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Joining two makes you a hero. Supporting all four makes you a super hero.
Rachel: Join your local civil rights group like theNew Jersey Second Amendment Society,Arizona Citizens Defense League,Gun Owners of California,Connecticut Citizens Defense League,Florida Carry, Georgia Carry,Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina,Illinois Carry,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,
John: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Nebraska Firearms Owners Association, Citizens for a Safer New Jersey,Open Carry Texas, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.
John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the (mid-week / weekend )show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.
Rachel- This show copyright 2014 Paul Lathrop and Polite Society Podcast.