Episode 223- Action Shooting Radio

The video above is the “raw” recording session of the show. It is us, warts and all. The audio link above that is the REAL show.

Intro- “An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Wednesday, the 26th of March, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk with the guys from Action Shooting Radio
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about self-defense news
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have our weekly stories of defensive gun and a tips and tricks segment with David Cole.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul: Episode 223 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1
Personal news from each participant
Paul: The only thing gun related I got to do since the last time we recorded was to inform an officer of the Joplin PD that I was carrying. He told me thanks!

John: No gun news to report but I did book my room for the NRA Annual Meeting in Indianapolis which is being held April 25-27. If you are anywhere near Indy, I’d suggest trying to at least make a day trip of it. As Rob can attest, it is a great experience.

Rachel: Nothing much. Just staffed the Appleseed booth at the national AG&AG conference in Waco Thursday through Sunday, had my County convention on Saturday (and was responsible for some drama there), a bunch of activists I trained did better at making stuff happen in their conventions than I did in mine, and now I’m prepping for the Appleseed shoot I’m shoot bossing in San Antonio this weekend. Working with Texas Law Shield on some projects with TFF. Nothing to see here, just everyday work….


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Seg 2- News

“I will not comply” Rant

I personally love the “I will not comply” attitude when it comes to confiscation of firearms. It after all is the one final answer that we all can give that lets the politicians know the really very limited power that they do have. However there are a few things that I would like to bring out and explore around this. #1 If you say it, mean it, and know what it means. Unfortunately there are a lot of “mall ninjas” that hang around the firearms and Second Amendment arena. They want the toys, they want the cool stuff, but when it comes time to do the work they are no where to be found. These are the same people who when you ask, “Are you an NRA member?” give you some BS answer about not wanting to be on a list or being angry about something the NRA did in the mid 60’s to mid 80’s. You then ask if they are a SAF member and they give you a blank stare, trying to think of what the SAF is. A lot of these people are now the ones screaming out “Molon Labe! I will not comply!”

Let’s explore what will – and I did say WILL happen when you don’t comply.

1) – They will come for you. Eventually some form of law enforcement will show up, and if you are lucky you will get a knock on your door and your stuff will be confiscated and you will go to jail. If you are unlucky the door will explode open and the shock troops will come in and take the house or your place of business in a no-knock raid.

#2) If you think that the weapons charge is the only thing that they will charge you with (should you survive the arrest) then you are sorely mistaken. Should it come to the point where they are starting to confiscate weapons they are going to try to make all arrests look like they are going after the dregs of society. Have you ever been a little late filing with the IRS? Did you once have a little bit too much to drink before driving home and plead that down to a misdemeanor? Have you always returned every library book on time? They are going to dig VERY deep before the raid to make sure that they can make you look bad when they parade you in front of the media.

#3) The rest of the gun owning public won’t charge in and break you out of jail. At least at the very beginning the rest of us will be worried about ourselves and what we are are doing to keep our families safe. We will see the storm clouds brewing and be preparing for the storm. Let’s go back to the pre revolutionary war period. The shot heard ‘round the world was not the British regulars first attempt at confiscation. The Boston Massacre occurred 5 years before the battle of Lexington and Concord. I do not expect a 5 year build up, but it happened then, and I don’t expect 1 incident to bring the ire of 100 million plus gun owners to the surface immediately.

4) If you say it, and you mean it, know that many, many of us stand with you. Even with all that I have said, and all of the horribleness that will fall upon those that are victimised first know that there really are many of us in the 100 plus million gun owners that truly do stand with you. I know that Anthony Colandro meant it when he said it. There are many more whom I believe when I hear them say it. I hope that soon our voices will reach the right places and true change can happen. We ARE winning the fight for our rights, slowly and with some setbacks, but we are winning. I believe there will come a time in my lifetime when the 2nd Amendment will be my carry permit, and the 14th Amendment will be my reciprocity agreement. But for now we are threatened in many areas with laws that would make criminals of us.

In every battle there are casualties. Every soldier that volunteers to put on the uniform for our country knows that they could be injured or killed in their service. What I am asking is for every gun owner to become a soldier for our rights. It could be costly for you. You could be arrested, you could lose your reputation. You could lose a lot more. Know this before taking up the cause. If you say “I will not comply” and “MOLON LABE” then in my opinion you MUST belong to the NRA and The SAF. You MUST be registered to vote and YOU MUST VOTE! We have a chance to turn things our direction this November peaceably, but of you are not participating you are nothing but a mall ninja in the 2A world wanting the cool stuff without doing any of the work that comes with it.

End of rant.

James Kaleda needs our support.  Do it here, and I will ask when I meet you. John?  Rachel?  Paul?  Susan?  http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/james-kaleda-s-legal-defense-fund

Connecticut Citizens Defense League has a rally scheduled on April 5th in Hartford Connecticut  Connecticut deserves our support. http://www.ccdl.us/aboutus/events/277-gun-rights-rally

Mail in your NRA ballot too!

Paul- A California state senator who both represents San Francisco, and who enthusiastically authored gun control legislation was arrested after he asked for campaign donations in exchange for introducing an undercover FBI agent to an arms trafficker.  The allegations against State Sen. Leland Yee were outlined in an FBI affidavit in support of a criminal complaint. The affidavit accuses Yee of conspiracy to deal firearms without a license and to illegally import firearms.  Yee is also accused wire fraud for accepting tens of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions and cash payments to provide introductions, help a client get a contract and influence legislation.  Yee discussed helping the FBI agent get weapons worth $500,000 to $2.5 million, including shoulder fired automatic weapons and missiles, and took him through the entire process of getting them from a Muslim separatist group in the Philippines to the United States. http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/fbi-california-state-sen-leland-yee-arrested-23068331

Rob’s comment- Timothy Sullivan, a notoriously corrupt Tammany Hall politician,

John-  John Lott said “Our soldiers need protection on base.. and should be armed. Currently, soldiers on military bases are not allowed to carry guns. Indeed, the military specifically forbids personnel from carrying firearms for personal protection except when “a credible and specific threat against [military] personnel [exists] in that region.”

That sounds like the same “justifiable need” statement they use in California, New Jersey and Maryland.  That is why, during the Navy yard shooting, the unarmed soldiers, sailors  and marines could do nothing but cower as the shooter fired round after round. For perspective, military bases have relatively few military police since crime rates on bases are normally low.  And it was a similar story in 2009 at Fort Hood. Maj. Nidal Hasan was unchallenged as he stood on a desk and kept shooting down victim after victim in work cubicles at Fort Hood, Texas. http://triblive.com/opinion/featuredcommentary/5795440-74/bases-ducks-military#ixzz2x6Y8Gdcu

Rachel- Don’t put your faith in judges.  Washington DC resident Mark Witaschek was convicted of having unlawful ammunition for a muzzle loading rifle.. the same rifle that does not require registration in DC.  That means you have to register your rifle that doesn’t require registration.. so you can register the rifle’s ammunition.  The judge didn’t know guns from gorillas.  Judge Robert Morin sentenced Mr. Witaschek to time served, a $50 fine and required him to enroll with the Metropolitan Police Department’s firearm offenders’ registry within 48 hours.  The case will cost Witaschek hundreds of thousands of dollars. http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/26/miller-exclusive-shock-verdict-mark-witaschek-guil/

John -You may now record the police in Illinois after this court ruling from the Illinois supreme court. A non-english speaker was imprisoned for over 20 months after recording a conversation with a court reporter supervisor. http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=11655

Rob- About 150 attendees filed into Lansingburgh’s Grace Baptist Church this past Sunday to hear Pastor John Koletas’ hymn and enter a raffle to win an AR-15 rifle, the Times Union reported.

Pastor Koletas preached in front of a large American flag and had a right-to-bear-arms-text hanging on the walls of the church.  This is at least the second raffle of the month.  “We have our Constitution to protect us, but we have our liberty to protect ourselves,” Koletas said during Sunday’s service.  Churchgoers were relatively calm and quiet as they filled the pews and submitted their names for the raffle.  42-year-old Schenectady resident Ron Stafford won the rifle, valued between $800 and $1,200.

Paul -If you were so foolish as to trust an Illinois politician, please please think again.  The first batch of carry license denial letters have gone out from the Illinois State Police.  As feared, the letters  do not specify which agency filed an objection, the contents of the objection or specifically how the individual is a danger to themselves and/or public safety. In short, what we’ve got is a “may issue” licensing scheme, crafted by House Speaker Michael Madigan, where anti-gun local officials can reject license applications for any reason at all.  NRA’s lawyers are putting together their legal response. http://www.gunssavelife.com/?p=11646


John- The National Shooting Sports Foundation does not send out alerts or “take action” notices very often. In fact, they’re rare. When they do urge action, it’s usually a significant issue.  Last week the NSSF asked gun owners to contact their senators to stop Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s attempt to force the Administration into issuing an executive order banning the importation of certain semi-auto modern sporting rifles. http://thegunwriter.blogs.heraldtribune.com/16133/senators-want-exec-order-banning-import-of-semi-auto-rifles/  (Rob has a comment)

John -This is why you lock your doors and try to retreat.  A Houston firefighter returning home from a night of St. Patrick’s Day partying was shot and killed by his next-door neighbor when he tried to enter the wrong house.  27 year old Sam Keen was asked to leave the bar so his friends put him in a cab.  The cab stopped next door, rather than in front of Keen’s house. Keen couldn’t find his way home and entered the wrong house.  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/off-duty-houston-firefighter-shot-dead-by-neighbor/

Rob – Idaho is part of a growing number of states that are seeking to nullify federal firearms laws. Congratulations to Idaho on being among the first to actually pass a nullification bill. Their bill, S1332, was signed by the governor last week and applies to future federal law. Specifically, this bill is designed to “protect Idaho law enforcement officers from being directed, through federal executive orders, agency orders, statutes, laws, rules, or regulations enacted or promulgated on or after the effective date of this act, to violate their oath of office and Idaho citizens’ rights under Section 11, Article I, of the Constitution of the State of Idaho.” Violators will be fined $1,000.

Rachel –  A couple weeks ago, we had Keith Morgan from WVCDL on the show to talk about the success of their group’s intense efforts to get SB317 through the WV legislature. SB317 is the state preemption bill for gun carry laws. After we spoke, they had to engage in another battle when there was a question about whether the governor would actually sign the bill. They’ve been working feverishly to get his signature – that finally happened yesterday. Kudos to the grassroots activists at WVCDL.

West Virginia Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin’s statement: “This evening, I signed Senate Bill 317 because I support our 2nd Amendment rights, and I also see the need for uniform and consistent gun laws throughout the state. I believe this legislation will give municipalities clarity for regulating firearms in their facilities.”


John DGU- Near Detroit, a Jet’s Pizza delivery driver shot back after he was robbed at gunpoint at about 11 p.m. Saturday in Redford.  The victim was making a delivery to a residence where two men posed as customers.  One of the men grabbed the driver and the other man showed a handgun and demanded the victim’s money.  The legally armed delivery driver shot the suspects.  The uninjured driver left the area and called 911.  The robbers also fled in a waiting vehicle. One of the men was later found at a local hospital with multiple gunshot wounds, and another man was arrested Monday night, police reports said.  The injured suspect, Clarence Sanders, 27, of Detroit, was arraigned Monday in the hospital on a charge of armed robbery, according to Redford Police.

A warrant request is being prepared on the second suspect.



Rachel DGU- An adult man was killed in a shooting in Bakersfield, California and another was escorted from a home and  placed in a police vehicle. The Bakersfield Police Department said that at about 4:51 a.m., Shawn Christian Ibarra, 35, armed himself with a breaker bar and kicked in the front door. He was then shot by another man in the house, which resulted in the death of Ibarra. Ibarra was on Post Release Community Supervision.. commonly called “early release” from prison.  Police believe the homeowners and Ibarra knew one another. http://www.turnto23.com/news/local-news/person-suffered-major-injuries-in-incident-in-northeast-bakersfield-police-say-032414

Paul DGU- An intruder called 911 after he was shot during a break in attempt, in Iberia Parish, Louisiana.  Charles Prince attempted to break into a balcony bedroom at a home on East Admiral Doyle Drive.  Prince woke the victim, who grabbed a handgun and fired 2 shots at Prince, hitting him once in the arm.  The homeowner called the Sheriff’s Office around 8:39 p.m. and explained that he had shot at an intruder.  Shortly afterward, the Sheriff received a 911 call from Prince who said he had been shot near the victim’s home.  Prince was transported to the Iberia Medical Center, and will be charged with Unauthorized Entry of an Inhabited Dwelling.


Rob DGU- Michael Huston, 26, faces one count of residential burglary and one count of possession of burglary tools, both felonies, according to the Kane County Illinois Sheriff’s office. Huston broke into a house and was shot by the homeowner.  Huston was found by sheriff’s deputies a few blocks away from the burglary and taken to Delnor Community Hospital with non-life-threatening injuries.  The 43-year-old homeowner was alone at home at the time, and has a valid Illinois FOID card.


Gun Quotes
“A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity.” – Sigmund Freud

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Seg 3 InterviewsAction shooting radio

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob DGU NSF- A group of boys, one as young as 13, tried breaking into a home Sunday on Bedford Street in Detroit. His house was robbed the day before, but this time Gregory Lindsey was home. Mister Lindsey’s son was downstairs doing homework when he heard banging on the door. Outside, five or six young boys were trying to get in. The homeowner took his semi- auto 22 and ran out the front door. “Lots of them scattered, but I caught one,” Lindsey said. For 20 minutes the teen sat on Lindsey’s porch at gunpoint, until police arrived. “He was kind of scared but it’s a lesson that needs to be learned because too many kids are going to people’s houses and getting shot now… Whoever got through that door would absolutely have been shot.”

John- We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

John, mention Dave Cole for Tips and Tricks
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Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Paul : Charlie Foxtrot sent me a message letting me know that for those that are missing the old GRRN forums that there are new forums up at www.gunnation.us all former GRRN forum participants are encouraged to check it out.

Rachel: Email from Chris
Hi Everyone,

I haven’t had a reason to write to the show before but something Rob said on episode 222 compelled me to compose this. After mentioning the James Kaleda situation again and that his defense fund was coming up short I feel it would be wise to bring one of my few moments of shear brilliance to your attention. I call it $22 for 2A.

It really started about 2 weeks ago when the phone rang while listening to another podcast that just happened to be discussing this injustice at that exact moment . While checking the caller ID I realized the number 2 and letter A are on the same key. Thats when the light bulb came on.

Here’s how it works – it’s sort of a challenge to all those keyboard commandos out there. What you do is wait until the lottery jackpot gets a little bigger before buying a ticket, maybe leave the range with some extra ammo instead of having to buy and use an entire case each time. Take that money you didn’t spend and send $22 to the James Kaleda defense fund. I’m sure Rob will put it the show notes for those that may be google challenged.

It goes without saying that James stuck his neck out for anyone, anywhere, that owns a firearm or believes in the right to self defense. He deserves our support. I’ve donated and I don’t even live in the US.

Progressive socialism – the kind that seeks to strip you of your rights and make everyone dependant on government knows no borders. It’s like a septic pile of black goo that oozes it’s way around the world. When one nation has a brain cramp on firearms laws it would not surprise me if some faceless beauracrat at the UN is immediately spreading the word to other countries – saying…”You should try this.”. The border between Canada and the USA is really just a line on the map used to collect taxes. When something happens in one country the other is likely to follow. I don’t need to mention what is going on in Connecticut, New York, and our own issues with the CZ-858/Swiss Classic Green and Canada’s largest street gang – the RCMP.

Thanks for mentioning us and our troubles north of the 49th. It reassuring to know we’re not alone.

In the words of a great Canadian comic, Red Green, “Remember I’m pullin’ for ya; were all in this together.”.

Until next time,

Chris – Typing from the Peoples Republic of Canada.

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Rachel: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Carry On Colorado starting April 4 in Casle Rock, Colorado.

Paul: John, do you have any post on your blog you want to mention?

John: I did a post earlier this week about the Jefferson County Arkansas Sheriffs’ Department. You know how anti-gun police and sheriffs’ departments have gun buybacks? Well, they had a gun auction that netted them over $125,000! I call it the anti-anti-gun buyback. Even better was was this statement from the JCSD: “Today’s auction provided citizens an informative, secure, and safe way to buy firearms at a bargain.” Well said, JCSD, well said.

Rachel: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam.  For $75.00 a year, $6.25 a month, you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else.  Bob is giving away his M&P Shield to one lucky member.

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Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

John: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry,Grass Roots North Carolina,  Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners,Grass Roots North Carolina, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association, West Virginia Citizens Defense League and Wyoming Gun Owners.

Rob: For our Canadian listeners, and their supporters, join the Canadian Shooting Sports Association and the Canadian National Firearms Association
Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.