Episode 214 – Jim Irvine

Intro- Everyone knows an armed society is a polite society. This is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded on Saturday, the 22nd of February, 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we talked with Jim Irvine of Buckeye Firearms about training teachers for self-defense
Rob: I’m Rob and my sheriff is in the news, so we’ll talk about NEWS and DGUS
Rachel: so climb aboard
Rob:strap in
Paul: And hang on! Episode 214 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1 Personal news from each participant
Rachel: I’m in Oklahoma. Couldn’t find spices at Walmart, but can open carry down the street and go shopping.  I put on some training classes for the Texas party conventions. Texas has conventions at the local, district and state level. Not much sleep.
Rob: I introduced a friend of the family to firearms. We did a touch and ask session yesterday, and we took her to the range today. I was looking to rent a carry gun at the range, but the range selection was lame.
Paul: I’ve been sick. Tomorrow I get to watch the Datona 500. I’m a big motor racing fan.  Trying to get well.  Carrying now.

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Seg 2- News
Paul-A Republican proposal to repeal an antiquated law on out-of-state rifle and shotgun purchases has been approved unanimously by the Colorado Senate. The bill would undo a 1969 law that says Coloradans may purchase, but not take possession of, a shotgun or rifle unless they buy it in Colorado or a contiguous state.  Welcome, Colorado, to the 1990s and the age of the internet.

Rachel-Connecticut State law enforcement officials are now in the difficult position of dealing with one of the most widely ignored and despised laws since Prohibition.  By law, Connecticut will have to find space to imprison 300,000 residents for the next five years for disobeying a law that will not reduce crime.  Connecticut’s 15 prisons currently hold 16,839 behind bars at an annual cost of $620 million. Full compliance with Connecticut’s new gun laws means their prison costs would exceed the entire state budget.  It is hard to respect the law when the legislature disrespects the citizens.

Rob-We covered this self-defense case in our last episode, but Detroit Police Chief James Craig commented on the way a Detroit mother protected herself from three intruders who kicked in her back door.  The Chief acknowledging the mother gave a verbal warning prior to firing the weapon. Quote, “She protected herself and her young children. The victim did nothing at all wrong.  Even after the victim advises the suspects that she was armed, they continued an aggressive attempt to enter her home.”

Thank you, Chief Craig.

Paul- We reported earlier that Minnesota police challenged the NFL’s ban on firearms in their stadiums, their offices and their training areas.  Texas is going a step further and saying that the NFL’s regulations don’t apply in Texas.  Texas state law states that so long as off-duty law enforcement officers check in at specific gates and let stadium employees know where they’ll be sitting, they are allowed to carry a firearm.  Mac Tristan, president of the Texas Police Association, said the rules requiring off-duty police officers to inform stadium employees as to their whereabouts makes sense.

Rachel-County commissioners in Clark County, Washington requested a new policy allowing county employees to carry concealed weapons. The county’s current policy prohibits employees from bringing concealed firearms to work, even if they have a permit to carry in public. Other people, including elected officials and the public, are exempt from the policy and may bring weapons into some county buildings. Commissioners said loosening the county’s prohibition on employees carrying concealed guns would deter acts of workplace violence and ensure equal rights.

Rob-In the “this is starting to get old” file, Guns Save Life tells us that a Chicago area school suspended an 11 year old boy after he voluntarily turned in his non-functioning toy gun to school officials. The toy was forgotten in his jacket pocket and he was subjected to intense questioning by school security and threats while his mother was not present.

Paul- Some school officials ASK children to turn in toy guns at schools. Which is it? Do children comply with the rules.. or is the toy gun merely a pretext to criticize a young child?

Paul: Gun Quotes
If you can’t trust citizens with freedom, then you sure can’t trust the government with power.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this

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Seg 3 Interview with Jim Irvine, Chairman of Buckeye Firearms Association where we discuss training teachers for armed defense.

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Segment 4 DGUs
I learned a lot from Jim. As he said, this is not about guns. This is about saving children’s lives.No one cares how safe the school is, even if it is safe compared to other locations. The number one cause of injury in our schools is violence, not accidents. If the number one cause of injury and death was drowning then there is no question we would teach swimming and have life guards.

Rachel: DGU- A burglar remains in critical condition after he was shot by a business owner after breaking into an automotive repair shop in Beltsville, Maryland. Deryck Nedd forced his way into the shop around 11:20 p.m. He was confronted by the owner and shot during a confrontation inside the repair shop office. The burglar fled and crashed his car a short distance away. He is expected to survive. http://washington.cbslocal.com/2014/02/19/man-shot-breaking-into-business-in-beltsville/

Rob: DGU- A Jennings County, Indiana Grandmother shot a 28 year old man in the leg Saturday after she found him in her 16-year-old granddaughter’s bedroom.  Daniel Sidwell was taken to St. Vincent Hospital in Indianapolis for treatment of a gunshot wound to his right ankle after the incident.  The Grandmother was not charged, thought the case is not closed.

The guy is alive, so I think Grandma showed considerable restraint. http://www.therepublic.com/view/local_story/Woman-shoots-man-in-Jennings-C_1392777892

Paul: DGU- An un-named suspect tried to break into an East San Jose, California home and fired shots at the homeowner.  That is when the homeowner armed himself and returned fire.  Two people were seen getting into a vehicle and driving away.  A short time later a man was dropped off at an area hospital with at least one gunshot wound and declared dead. http://www.mercurynews.com/bay-area-news/ci_25197380/san-jose-shooting-leaves-one-dead-police-say

Rachel: TAMPA — Ivette Ros is a the 37-year-old Tampa resident, a single mother of three children, and a bank manager.  At least she was.  Wells Fargo fired her for carrying her firearm to work.  Ros has filed a lawsuit in circuit court against Wells Fargo Bank, which she said fired her last year from her job as manager at the bank’s Oldsmar branch. Her lawsuit says the firing violated her constitutional right to carry arms and asks for monetary damages and attorney fees. http://tbo.com/news/crime/bank-manager-fired-after-carrying-gun-into-work-files-suit-20140221/

Segment 5 Show close
Tips and tricks segment from Kathy Jackson

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paul: Listener e-mail discussion

Greg From Bremmerton sent in a story tells the story of a Texas voter who was turned away from early voting polls because he was wearing a pro-2nd Amendment t-shirt. The t-shirt, which had the slogan “The 2nd Amendment – America’s original Homeland Security was deemed to be electioneering. Electioneering is promoting a particular candidate or issue within a specified distance of a polling place.

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Paul: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014 you can register here.

Rob: Also please check out Kathy Jackson’s Cornered Cat training classes. Her next class is at Nighthawk Custom Training Academy in Centerton Arkansas in early March.

Rachel:, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob: I do.  The San Diego Union Tribune reports that San Diego Sheriff Bill Gore told his Board of Supervisors he will not appeal the recent ninth circuit court ruling.  The court  ruling established self-defense as sufficient cause to issue a concealed carry permit.  Sheriff Gore’s decision does not mean the case will not be appealed.  It means that San Diego won’t do so.  A judge on the circuit court could do so, but that is unlikely.

District of the Ninth Circuit Court

The ninth circuit district covers the western US and Hawaii and Alaska.  Anti-gun legislators outside the ninth circuit district don’t want the Peruta v. Gore case to rise to the Supreme Court.  This is because of the prejudicial nature of the Sheriff’s prior decisions and because of the thorough analysis by the three judge panel of the ninth circuit court.

This is good news for the residents of California, Hawaii and Guam.  Some California counties like Orange County have already changed their carry license policy.  San Diego will wait until the court ruling is finalized.   Because the decision was not appealed to the Supreme Court, it offers cold comfort to gun owners in New Jersey and Maryland.

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Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership.  Joining two makes you a hero.  Supporting all four makes you a super hero.  Not belonging to any of them means we won’t loan you any ammunition.

Paul: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League, Gun Owners of California, Connecticut Citizens Defense League, Florida Carry, Georgia Carry, Georgia Gun Owners, Illinois Carry, Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry,

Rachel: and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom, Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association and the West Virginia Citizens Defense League.

Rob: since the Canadians are listening CSA and NFA

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast. Until the mid-week show…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.