Open: Hi and welcome to the Politics and Guns Podcast recorded on Sunday Jan 5 2014. I’m Paul Lathrop
Tom: I’m Tom and on tonights show we have a monster news segment
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and we have several DGU stories, including a revisit to a recent one.
Frank: I’m Frank Jack Fiamingo of the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, they talked me into joining this train wreck, so Climb Aboard
Tom: Strap in
Paul: And hang on, episode 196 of the Politics and Guns Podcast starts right now.
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Paul: we were talking with Toby last night, and he is trying to corner the ammunition market the Omaha area. He’s busy paying the bills and working today.
Rob: I shot a handgun steel match yesterday, and finally ran some solvent through my Mosin Nagant. The gods of firearms are no longer scowling at me.
Frank- Will shoot with Bill Anderson of Chasing New Jersey on Monday.
Tom: Went to an indoor range to try out our new Christmas toys. My S. O. loves her compact 9mm. I rented a glock because I’ve never shot many of them. Shot the G-19 and G-21. Thought the G-21 is too fat for my hands. Range USA has a date night!
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Frank: Gov. Chris Christie’s administration doesn’t want to touch its anti-gun agenda in court. To distance himself, the New Jersey Governor had a county prosecutor’s defend the state’s anti-handgun law before the New Jersey Supreme Court. If you’re not familiar with New Jersey politics, please understand that a deaf girl-scout could defend New Jersey laws in front of that State court. A spokesman for the Republican governor, along with the Monmouth County prosecutor’s office and attorney general’s office all claim it is not unusual for a county prosecutor to defend a law before the State Supreme Court.
It is more likely that Christie does not want to call attention to the state’s restrictive gun policy because of his political ambitions for the 2016 presidential election.
Tom – Florida gun owners need to call their legislators. Malicious prosecutors abuse Florida’s “Three Strikes Law” their 10-20-LIFE law, by using the law against Florida gun owners who threaten to use deadly force in self-defense. The 10-20-LIFE law was intended to force prosecutors to press charges against repeat criminals. Senator Greg Evers sponsored Florida Senate bill SB-448 to prevent malicious prosecution of Florida gun owners. The NRA ILA asks Florida gun owners to write their legislators. The link on Florida SB-448 is in our show notes and available at NRA ILA.
Paul – Listener Chris G saw the picture of hundreds of Connecticut firearms owners standing in line to register their weapons and posted the picture on our facebook page. The picture has been compared to the historic pictures of gun registration in nazi Germany. We interviewed Kitty Worthman on our show, and she witnessed nazi gun registrations and confiscations first hand. We include her commentary and video in our show notes. The comparisons between Connecticut and Germany are not as far fetched as they might sound. Over 30 thousand Connecticut firearms owners have registered their guns and magazines as required by state law. This registration was designed to punish lawful firearms owners and will have zero effect on crime or the actions of the mentally ill. This is what the voters of Connecticut inflicted on their fellow citizens.
Rob – Speaking of the mentally ill, President Obama wrote executive orders limiting the gun-rights of mental health patients and making the Justice Department and HHS revise regulation submiting mental health patients to the National Instant Background Check system. There is a natural antagonism between patient confidentiality, legal due process, and prompt reporting of the dangerously mentally ill. Congress looked at these issues and declined to act.
Frank- A proposed Utah law defines disorderly conduct with a firearm as the firearm being outside a holster. The author of the bill, republican resentative Paul Ray said, “If someone is carrying a gun around in their hand they can be cited.” Representative Ray sponsored similar legislation in years past.
Tom- On a happier note from the Salt Lake City area, gun manufacturer Desert Tech refused a mufti-million dollar sale of precision rifles to Pakistan. Company president Mike Davis declined the sale because of his concerns their weapons could be used against US troops in Afghanistan. Most US casualties in the war against the Taliban and Al Qaeda occur in the Afghan regions bordering Pakistan. Thank you, Desert Tech.
Paul – Detroit Police Chief James Craig said armed civilians reduce crime. That is an amazing statement since most chiefs are appointed by politicians rather than elected by the voters. The chief said similar things over the last several weeks during radio interviews and press conferences. That’s good if it continues, and I hope Chief Craig isn’t told to change his mind.
Rob- Doctor John Lott weighs in on the New York SAFE act that was recently upheld in Federal District Court. The judge claims he upheld the law based on testimony by academic Chris Koper who claimed crime with assault weapons went down after the Federal Assault Weapons Ban of 1994. Doctor Lott cites Koper’s later research which said “we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation’s recent drop in gun violence. And, indeed, there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence.” As one judge told me, you generally decide a case using your emotions and then scrape together some facts to bolster your conclusion. A- yeap.
Frank- There is some good news on the legal front from Florida. Several well publicized court cases from Florida questioned a firearm owner’s right to stand their ground when faced with a clear threat of great bodily harm. A Florida Appeals court overturned a verdict and confirmed a citizen’s right to stand their ground. The court found that the defendants had every legal right to be where they were, faced a threat, and that the lower court should have overturned the verdict against them. Sometimes the courts get one right.
Tom- Illinois citizens can finally apply for concealed carry licenses. Now, Cook County Sheriff Tom Dart complains he can not stop every citizen with a criminal record from receiving a Firearms Owners ID card and eventually a concealed carry permit. Illinois state law clearly states the number and type of infractions that preclude a citizen from obtaining a license to carry. Frankly it sounds like Sheriff Dart wants to write his own laws. I wonder if he can be trusted to enforce Illinois law as written by the legislature and interpreted by the courts.
Paul- It’s cold outside, and this story is easy to understand, though it isn’t easy to explain. Washington DC tow truck driver Corey Stoddard was attacked by Kevin Crouch in the tow impound lot. Crouch had a firearm and pointed his pistol at Stoddard. Stoddard ran and fell. While on the ground, Crouch beat Stoddard on the head with his pistol. Stoddard threw his wallet in one direction and again ran to his nearby tow truck. Stoddard hit Crouch with the truck.. and was later charged with second degree murder. Crouch has previous carjacking convictions along with assault and gun charges. The DC prosecutor must show that a tow truck can outrun a pistol bullet. I think you shouldn’t bring a handgun to a truck fight.
Rob: Concealed carry licenses increased by 6 percent in California. That is an increase of 30,000. California is not gun-friendly, but some California counties are shall issue. Calguns and the Second Amendment Foundation helped with their Sunshine and Compliance initiatives. Together these organizations asked California sheriffs their criteria for granting concealed carry licenses. Sometimes they took the sheriff to court to get that information. Next, they reviewed the applications citizens submitted to the sheriff’s written criteria. They held the sheriffs to their word. Thank you, Calguns and SAF. I’m glad to see California citizens take up the right of self-defense where they can, and wrote about it on my blog.
Frank- More Fast and Furious guns are involved in drug cartel murders. These murders were in Mexico at the seaside resort in Pureto Peñasco in mid- December. The guns were originally sold in the fall of 2010 to mexican smugglers with the help of the BATFE and FBI. No federal agents have been charged and tried for their illegal activities.
Tom- From the “We told you so” file- Corporate officials at Magpul said they would leave Colorado if the state made their products illegal to own. They said that back in May when we talked with them, and they kept their word. Magpul makes firearms accessories including ammunition magazines. Magpul is leaving Colorado and moving their manufacturing, distribution and shipping facilities to Cheyenne. The corporate headquarters is headed to Texas. I noted they have a letter of welcome from both Wyoming Governor Matt Mead and Texas Governor Rick Perry. Congratulations to our friends in Texas and Wyoming. You deserve this win. Yes, elections have consequences and I know a number of people who won’t apply for work in Colorado.
Frank: Under New Jersey gun control laws, children – and adults alike – could face steep penalties for illegally owning BB guns, which according to the Graves Act, makes little distinction between the childhood classic rite of passage and illegal big boy weapons like machine guns and sawed-off shotguns.
As reported by Fox News last month, various states across the country have different laws when it comes to airsoft or BB guns, but New Jersey by far has the strictest regulations. Violating the act, which includes mandatory registration and permits to purchase BB guns, can produce a minimum three-year jail sentence and hefty fines.
In fact, 22-year-old Idyriss Thomas was arrested in October after police received several reports of a man brandishing a firearm. As it turned out, Thomas was simply shooting a rubber ducky with an airsoft gun for target practics in the back yard of his Glassboro, New Jersey, home.
When officers responded to the calls, they determined that the airsoft gun was unlicensed. Thomas was arrested and charged with unlawful possession of a weapon. Slingshots are illegal in NJ too.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be right back after this and close out the show.
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Frank: News from NJAS. We have to talk to the average citizen, the average voter. We started these home and personal security seminars in different regions of NJ. The next seminar is scheduled for March 6th in Sayerville the senior center.
We also have a Carry License Submission Project. Police departments will tell you your application will be denied. http://nj2as.com/EVENTS?eventId=813286&EventViewMode=EventDetails
Paul: DGU#1 is actually an update of a DGU we covered a few episodes ago. You may remember a story about a robber that held up a Chicago cell phone store and then assumed room temperature. It turns out that the stick up man had been released from prison only a few months ago after serving less than half of his 13 year sentence for armed robbery. Also, the weapon he was using in the latest holdup was used in the shooting of a police officer only a few days before the robbery.
Rob: DGU #1a Is almost not a DGU, because the gun came into the house in the hands of an intruder.
Police say a South Philly homeowner turned the tables on an armed robber who broke into his house. The intruder was armed with a shotgun and demanded drugs and money. The homeowner fought the suspect, took away his shotgun and then beat him with it. Police arrived promptly and took the suspect into custody. Police have not yet revealed the identities of the suspect or homeowner. Well, that is one way to use a gun for self-defense.. and it is another example that thieves are more likely to lose their firearms than are honest citizens. I think that’s because most honest citizens are not drug addicts.
Frank: DGU #2 comes from the Atlanta journal Constitution. An East Point homeowner shot and killed an intruder on Tuesday morning. The homeowner was in his basement when he heard disturbance upstairs and retrieved his firearm. The burglar had smashed through a patio door with a shovel to enter the home. The homeowner said the intruder approached him with the shovel raised and he fired one shot. The burglar fled and collapsed in the front yard and was pronounced dead at the scene. “I had to do what I had to do to protect my house and my family. I just hate to see young men really just wasting their lives,” said the homeowner. The homeowner said he was traumatized by the experience.
Tom: DGU#3 A homeowner shot and killed a man during an attempted break in and robbery in Maxton, North Carolina. It appears that the home was used for illegal video poker. Four armed robbers presented a gun and pushed their way into the home. The homeowner shot one robber and all four fled. The homeowner called police who found the thief, Christopher Deshon Page, dead in his car. The other suspects were captured and charged with attempted robbery, conspiracy to commit robbery with a dangerous weapon and felonious breaking and entering. A criminal bet his life that his gun would be the only weapon on scene.. and lost.
Paul: How can you help that distant friend who received a firearm for Christmas? The National Shooting Sports Federation has a menu-driven list of places to shoot at wheretoshoot.org You don’t need to live near the new shooter in order to help them. That is wheretoshoot.org There is also an I-phone and Android application to find a nearby range.
Let’s suggest they get a little training.. and get some ourselves. Give the gift of training. Some ranges offer free classes for beginners. If you think a class is expensive, try the cost of ignorance!
Listener e-mail #1
Tom: From Kyle
Subject: New Years Resolutions – buy Milsurp
Happy New Year – Paul, Sticks, Rob, and Toby!
My new years resolution is to build a military surplus collection of guns. I started off the year by purchasing a 1945 Mosin Nagant M44 carbine and have gotten the bug for more. I already have my eye on gun number two from my local gun shop, either a Mauser 98 or a Lee Enfield. What other great military guns should I be looking into besides of course the Springfield M1 to build my collection? It would be great if you had a segment discussing good military guns on one of your shows. Happy New Year, thanks again for another year of Politics and Guns!
Rob: Email # 2 From Marc
Tom: Email #3 from Greg. This is a shout out to Concealment Solutions, headed out to church with the family this morning, stopped by Safeway on the way home, after we got home I was heading to let the dog out and change my shirt, only then did my wife notice that I was carrying my 1911R1, she exclaimed, what, as soon as you walk thru the door you put your gun on. I said no, I’ve been wearing it all day, to that she said, you were not carrying it in church, to that was both mine & my son’s reply, Oh yes I was.
Great job Jason, keep up the outstanding work!!!!
Paul: We have Politics and Guns Podcast download applications out on Amazon for Android and I-phone is coming.
Paul: You can contact the show by e-mail. Paul@politics and guns.com, Toby, Sticks, Rob, Susan, or Onair to reach all of us. Call 605-215-1438 to hear your voice on the air!
Tom: That’s 605- 215- 1438 and operators are standing by. We should get the operators a chair ‘cause we don’t pay them enough to stand up all day.
Tom: Roadgunner’s Mag 40 class in Conway, Arkansas at Shoot House USA is scheduled for May 15th thru 18th 2014
Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Rob: I wrote about the Magpul move from Colorado, and the increased CCW permits in California. You know we often beat the news sources with our blogs and podcasts? The networks are so two days ago.
Frank: Also please check out the shooters club by Bob Mayne and Ben Branam. For $75.00 a year you get 24/7 access to some fantastic training and audio podcasts that you can’t get anywhere else. Listen to other podcasts on the Gun Rights Radio Network, the Crusader Podcast Network, and give Roadgunner a listen. also there is another show that is sponsored by our good friends at NJ2AS that you should check out it is the Bold Departure podcast. John, one of the co-hosts will join us on the midweek show this week.
Rob: Join the National Rifle Association, Second Amendment Foundation, Gun Owners of America and Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership. Joining two makes you a hero. Supporting all four makes you a super hero. Not belonging to any of them means you’re a chump and I don’t want to shot with you.
Frank: Join your local civil rights group like the New Jersey Second Amendment Society, Arizona Citizens Defense League,Michigan Gun Owners , Michigan Open Carry, and Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, Minnesota Gun Owners Civil Rights Alliance, Texas Firearms Freedom,Texas State Rifle Association. Tennessee Firearms Association
Paul, A quick reminder that there won’t be a weekend show next weekend. We are all going to be either getting ready to go or on the way to SHOT show and so a show will be impossible. There will be several shows from SHOT next week though. That wraps up another episode of Politics and Guns.
Until the mid-week show..
Rob, stay safe,
Tom, be aware,
Frank, be strong,
Paul, and we’ll see you down the road.
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