Episode 182 – Jae Wells


“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast recorded live on Wednesday, November 5th 2014. I’m Rob Morse

John- I’m John Richardson, and we have fiction Author Jae Wells with us.

Rachel: And we have the news about yesterday’s elections, so climb aboard

John: strap in

Rob: and hang on! Episode 282 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John – The first part of my week tends to be very busy so I really didn’t do much gun related. Teaching on Monday night means I have to miss stuff. In this case I missed a chance to hear both Sen. Tim Scott and Rep. Trey Gowdy speak at a local rally in Asheville. I did pick up a bunch of political yard signs today to use as target stands. They aren’t perfect but the price was right!

Rob Lots of dry practice.

Rachel- training with friends last weekend.


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Seg 2- News

-Doctor John Lott put terrorism in perspective.  He starts with the experience in the Middle East.  I like this discussion because it is both brief and insightful.  For decades, Israel responded to terrorist attacks by putting more armed police and military on the streets. Unfortunately, a mass killer can either wait for officers to leave the scene or kill them first. Israel found that no matter how much money they spent, terrorists patiently waited until a good opportunity presented itself. Almost 15 percent of Israel’s adult Jewish civilian population has been licensed to carry weapons. With possible victims carrying concealed handguns, the would-be lone wolf attacker doesn’t know who is able to defend themselves and doesn’t know whom to attack first. Terrorists have to resort to less effective, secretive routes of attack such as bombing… Giving government security agencies more power may help, but it isn’t a panacea and it risks others losing their privacy. When that fails, letting people defend themselves would provide another line of defense against any attacks.  Can the we learn from attacks in the US?

3/6/2014 USA Port Bolivar, TX  A Muslim man shoots his lesbian daughter and her lover to death and leaves a copy of the Quran open to a page condemning homosexuality.

4/27/2014 USA Skyway, WA A 30-year-old man is murdered by a Muslim fanatic.

6/1/2014 USA Seattle, WA  Two homosexuals are murdered by an Islamic extremist.

6/25/2014USA West Orange, NJ  A 19-year-old college student is shot to death ‘in revenge’ for Muslim deaths overseas.

9/25/2014 USA Moore, OK  A Sharia advocate beheads a woman after calling for Islamic terror and posting an Islamist beheading photo.

-We’re told that the US is a violent country because it is awash in a sea of firearms.  Whoever claims that is either lying or blind.  The city with the highest murder rate in the world is San Pedro Sula in Honduras.  Let me remind you that private firearms ownership is all but banned in Honduras.  Mexico is close behind.

-Amendment Three on the Alabama ballot said that “every citizen has a fundamental right to bear arms and that any restriction on this right would be subject to strict scrutiny; and to provide that no international treaty or law shall prohibit, limit, otherwise interfere with a citizen’s fundamental right to bear arms.” The constitutional amendment passed with 72% of the vote.

Voters in Maine agreed with their wildlife biologists and wardens by defeating a proposed ban on certain bear hunting practices. The ban was proposed by a Humane Society of the United States front group called Mainers for Fair Bear Hunting. The group was funded almost entirely by the DC-based HSUS. This is the second time in the last 10 years that they tried to impose a bear hunting ban. Question One lost by over 20,000 votes. It was opposed by the Sportsman’s Alliance of Maine, the NRA, and the Maine Professional Guides Association as well as all three candidates for governor.


-Here is more distorted rhetoric from New Jersey politicians who want to regulate firearms.  They claim you have to pass a written and road test before you can get a driver’s license in New Jersey. Two New Jersey lawmakers said the same rule should apply for first-time gun owners. Democrat assemblymen Tim Eustace and Joe Lagana introduced legislation to require anyone who applies for an initial firearms purchaser identification card or gun permit to successfully complete a firearms education program.

The assemblymen are wrong.  It does not require training to own a car or boat.. or even an airplane!  You can buy a vehicle without having a license to operate it.  I know because I’ve  done that several times.  You can even drive a car, truck, tractor or motorcycle without a license.. as long as you do so ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY.  Most farm kids so.  You need a license to drive in public, but New Jersey denies the average citizen the right to bear arms in public.

comment- We are talking about training to exercise a human right in the peoples republik of New Jersey.

-The Obama administration dumped a massive load of documents on the day before the election.  Monday, the US Justice Department gave congressional investigators 64 thousand pages of documents related to Operation Fast and Furious.  These are the same documents that President Obama claimed were exempt from congressional review.  Congressman Darrell Issa said, “This is a victory for the legislative branch, a victory for transparency, and a victory for efforts to check Executive Branch power.. these pages still do not represent the entire universe of the documents the House of Representatives is seeking related to the Justice Department’s cover-up of the botched gun-walking scandal that contributed to the death of a Border Patrol agent.  Our court case will continue.”

If we told you a Montgomery County, Texas mom planted a 9mm pistol in her live-in boyfriend’s 13 y.o. son’s bookbag and then turned him into school authorities, you’d think we were making it up. Unfortunately, we aren’t. That is exactly what Heather Hodges did and she is now going to serve three years in a Texas prison as a result. It seems she was mad at her boyfriend and wanted to get even. Initiatially, the son was expelled and then spent several days in a juvenile detention facility until Hodges confessed to investigators under intense questioning. The judge who sentenced her said she was “evil”. The boy is now living with his mother in Louisiana.


A senior at Radnor High School in Philadelphia Pennsylvania was arrested after she wrote a detailed plan to murder her classmates and a teacher.  She wrote that she wanted to be the first female mass murderer.  She also wrote how much she admired the two murderers at the 1999 Columbine High School massacre in Colorado.  She carefully described how she could kill several students and one of her teachers at the high school. Quote “.. imagine the power.. the bullets leaving the gun with a loud bang, piercing kids around me, the way they collapse, their blood splattering the floor… the screams.”  School staff found her notebook and called police.  The girl was arrested and will be charged as a juvenile for making terroristic threats.  She has a history of mental illness.  She had no access to weapons at school or at home.

-We interviewed Brian Aitken in our last episode and reported the injustice he received from the New Jersey court system.  This next news item is from Mililani, Hawaii.  Richard Silva defended himself in 2011.  During his trial, the deputy Prosecutor Rodney Veary twice misstated the self-defense law.  The prosecutor indicated a person cannot use self-defense as a defense if he has an opportunity to retreat and does not take it.  The first time the judge struck the comments from the record.  The judge let the comments stand the second time during closing arguments.

The state Intermediate Court of Appeals overturned the conviction because of those false statements of the law by the prosecutor.  Silva turned himself in the day of the shooting and was jailed. He has served more than three years.

-Dana Loesch canceled a book signing at Texas Christian University.  The political commentator found out that she couldn’t carry on campus.  Loesch argue that the school’s “no guns” policy puts others in danger. Loesch said “I was really looking forward to this but unfortunately am uncomfortable gambling with my own, my family’s, or readers/listeners’s security.”  She is the author of “Hands Off My Gun” and she said she is frequently threatened by gun-control activists.  “(I’m) just not cool with being a sitting duck somewhere or asking any of you to be.”

comment- Well, Texas?  What do you have to say for yourself?


In rough terms, the anti-gun crowd spent 60 million dollars in this last election while the NRA spent a sixth as much.  Here are a few of the election results where Bloomberg’s money tried to buy an election.  The anti-fights publication Mother Jones kindly provided the hit list of pro-rights legislators.  It was a good day for the right of self-defense.

  • Anti-rights law student Sandra Fluke lost to Ben Allen for a seat in the California State Senate.  Allen represents Santa Monica, California.
  • Pro-rights candidate David Young defeated anti-rights Staci Appel to win the third congressional district from Iowa.
  • Frank Guinta defeated incumbent congresswoman Carol Shea-Porter to represent the 1st congressional district in New Hampshire.
  • Pro-rights candidate Thom Tillis beat the anti-rights candidate and incumbent senator Kay Hagan in the Senate race in North Carolina
  • The pro rights candidate Cory Gardner defeated the incumbent anti-rights candidate Mark Udall to take the Senate seat in Colorado
  • Tom Cotton beat the two term incumbent anti-rights senator Mark Pryor from Arkansas.
  • The pro-rights candidate Larry Hogan beat the anti-rights candidate Anthony Brown to become the governor of Maryland.

-Local rights groups reported similar results.  The New York Rifle and Pistol Association had good success with its endorsed candidates.  From one end of the state to the other, over a dozen anti-rights candidates were defeated by pro-rights candidates.  The New York Rifle na Pistol Association was disappointed that the Republican Governor’s association did so little to support Rob Astorino  for governor.

These next election results did not involve heavy anti-rights funding, but the message is clear.   Anti-rights incumbent Pat Quinn lost to Bruce Rauner for the Illinois governor’s race.

In Texas, Tea Party favorite Konni Burton won Senate District 10.  That is the Fort Worth district held by Democrat and gubernatorial candidate Wendy Davis since 2009. Burton ran against Libby Willis.  Willis was hand-picked by Wendy Davis to replace her.  That didn’t work as planned.

It also looks like pro-gun rights Republican Martha McSally may win Gabby Giffords’ old seat in Arizona. She is currently leading by over 2,000 votes over Rep. Ron Barber. Giffords and her Americans for Responsible Solutions PAC put in over $2 million to defeat McSally and elect Barber.  There are still a number of absentee ballots to count and hopefully McSally’s lead is over the margin of fraud

Comment – That has got to hurt if McSally’s lead holds up.

The right of self-defense had some victories in the last election.  Some races remain undecided and we had some clear defeats.  Before anyone tells you the election results are a sign of anti-black anti-women prejudice, note that the Republican party sent an Indian woman back to the Governor’s mansion, a Black man back to the Senate, and elected the first Black Republican woman to Congress.

-Anti-rights groups paid 10 million dollars to pass an initiative in Washington State, and they won.  Expect to see similar initiatives similarly funded in Nevada and Oregon.

Gun Quotes

“If Violent crime is to be curbed, it is only the intended victim who can do it.  The felon does not fear the police, and he fears neither judge nor jury.  Therefore, what he must be taught to fear is his victim.”  Lieutenant Colonel Jeff Cooper

We’re glad you’ve joined us for the news segment today.  We’ll be  back with author Jae Wells after this message.

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Segment 3 Interview with author Jae Wells

Let us talk about the roots of culture.  Before you decide to take the responsibility to own a firearm, you have to imagine that someone honorably protects themselves and those they love.  That means that culture builds the scaffold of society.

Tell us about your stories-

Who did you grow up reading?

Imagination comes before decision and action.  Your podcasts talks about politics and the right of self-defense.  I’m an author, so I work upstream of politics.  You talk about laws and politicians, and I take my readers through the world we want to see.  Life imitates art.  In particular, my life has imitated my book.

I created a few characters who had and used firearms.  I don’t treat firearms as a magic wand

my adolescent fiction, firearms can get you into trouble as easily as get you out of it.

Some people hate guns.  It is almost as if they are allergic to taking responsibility for their own safety.

Ignorance, dislike, disapproval, condemnation, bigotry.

These same people also thanked me when I protected them.  I was in their office and some sketchy looking character wouldn’t leave.  My presence kept things from escalating.  So did the knowledge that I was carrying concealed.

Some fans were shocked that I’d sell adolescent fiction at gun shows.  They were upset that I also sell jewelry that looks like ammunition, and that I sell boutique beauty soap that has the shape of a gun.

That doesn’t stop new writers and producers from friending my Facebook page.

Jae, we have to invite you back.. or you’ll kill us in your next novel.

Segment 4 DGUs

A woman renting a home in Colorado Springs shot and killed a burglar trying to climb through her bedroom window. The burglar was found on the ground outside the bedroom and was taken to the hospital where he later died.  The occupant warned the intruder she had a gun and to go away but he kept coming.  The occupant fired a warning shot into the wall and he kept coming.  Finally, she shot him twice and he stopped.

Comment – Warning shots are not a wise thing to do but I’m glad it turned OK for this woman.

An attempted robbery led to an exchange of gunfire in south St. Louis, Missouri. Two men with handguns announced a robbery at Elicia’s Pizza just after midnight.  One robber held the owner at gunpoint while the other cleaned out the cash register. The owner, who has a concealed carry permit, was able to get to his own gun and exchanged shots with the robbers causing them to flee. One robber collapsed outside of the pizza place having been shot in the leg and buttocks. He was later taken to a hospital and listed in stable condition. The other man got away. Police recovered one robber’s gun and the stolen money at the scene.

-Some homeless people are armed.  Eric Harris and Juan Agriel were in separate cars in the parking lot of a Miami-Dade County Winn-Dixie store when Juan Agriel pulled out a tire iron and began to smash up Harris’ car.  48 year old Harris drew his firearm and shot Agriel. Harris then took his phone and summoned  police.  Agriel was transported to a hospital and died shortly thereafter. Harris was taken in for questioning and were released early the next morning.

An Antioch, Tennessee homeowner and his wife were watching morning TV when an armed, masked man forced his way into the house and demanded money. The couple complied and then the robber, Johnathan Corke, 26, demanded more. While the robber was occupied with his wife, the homeowner retrieved his .45 pistol. Corke then raised his pistol towards the homeowner who shot him several times. Corke was taken to Vanderbilt University Hospital where he died. Corke had charges of armed burglary and theft pending at the time of his death. No charges will be filed against the homeowner.

We have the links to each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com if you want to share them with a friend.

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Segment 5 Show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Hello pod people. Just one more email, I promise.

In perusing the internet news today about Washington’s 594 bill, I found someone’s comment that showed just how far apart the world of guns, shooting sports, and 2nd Amendment rights is from the non-gun guy, non-shooter, non-2nd Amendment supporter, banner of all things firearms.

His comment was that he was proud to have never owned a gun, never wanted a gun, proud to have never held a gun, never shot a gun, never needed a gun, and would take this mind-set to his grave.

He thinks this is smart, progressive, admirable, and brags about it, on-line. He had many supporters, too.

I thought that it was interesting just how far apart the 2 sides of this issue are, and that you’d maybe ponder this for your next podcast.

Ken Silva

Phoenix, AZ


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