Episode 460 – No interviews but lots of news and DGUs


Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Friday, August 24th, 2018, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will report on the growing number of concealed carry permit holders across the USA.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about Louisiana fighting back against anti-2a banks.

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg and we’ll talk about how a lady from Portland, Oregon, doesn’t find meth attractive.

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and we’ll talk about a legal victory for the Second Amendment Foundation.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs an armed citizen helps police… so climb aboard

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 460 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I was on Bill Frady’s Lock and Load Radio program. I recorded another Episode of Self-Defense Gun Stories with Ben Branam. Dialed up my exercise program, but not as good as Tracy’s. Carried every day and did some dry practice.

John – In our last podcast, I said I had been prepping an area for a food plot for deer and cutting brush on some land my wife inherited. I’ll be planting seed this weekend and hopefully the deer will like it. My trail cam had some interesting  videos. I caught a couple of does and a fawn in one video and another has a raccoon in it. I still haven’t seen any bucks. Still, I know the land has critters on it and that makes me hopeful.

Rob- what do you plant to attract deer?


Tracy – I celebrated my 50th birthday last Wednesday. Part of the celebrations included a birthday supper at a local mom-and-pop Italian restaurant, where my good friend and Polite Society Podcast co-host, Rachel Malone, joined my husband and I along with two other friends. My parents gave me a new 1911. It’s an STI Tactical 5.0 in 9mm with a bull barrel. I’ve stayed busy teaching private lessons and trying to stay cool as Texas continues with daily 100+ degree temperatures.

Rachel – I’m working to schedule legislative trainings around Texas to build the army of activists. If you’re in Texas, please check out my facebook events to see if one is near you! I’ll be hitting every corner – north, south, east, and west. I also did a fun range workout the other day. I sprinted 80 yards, did 5 burpees, sprinted 80 yards, and shot at 200 yards — 2 rounds each standing, seated, prone, seated standing. After 6 rounds of that, carrying my run n gun pack and all my mags….let’s just say I’m pretty sore today.

 Paul – I could

Grant – I’m delighted to be here – thanks all. I recently certified as a USCCA instructor, so I’ve been preparing the material I need to teach these classes – very different from the NRA ones. We also have a family of deer that hang out in the yard, and they have been helpfully pruning the sweet potato vines, so… all good there!


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TRACY – KR Training has some terrific training opportunities coming up. Karl Rehn and Richard Worthey will be teaching a School Safety Active Shooter Class September 29-30 in Orange, Texas. Tom Givens will be back at KR Training October 6th and 7th for his combative pistol/dynamic pistol marksmanship 2 class, and Karl will be teaching Force-on-Force Instructor and Force-on-Force Scenarios October 12th, 13th, and 14th at his A-Zone Range. There will be low-light level 1 and 2 classes October 13th and 14th. Please visit www.krtraining.com for more information and to register for these great classes. Also, be sure to sign up for the monthly newsletter to get the inside scoop on the latest classes and national trainers who are coming in to teach at Karl’s range.

GRANT will be running a USCCA Instructor workshop, hosting USCCA Training Counselor Klint Macro, on December 8th and 9th. Details are on the ScotShot website. The class is limited to ten Instructor candidates, so get your skates on! ScotShot is also running an NRA Pistol Instructor class thru the fall. Contact grant at scotshot dot com for details.

John patches? Yes

We still have PSP patches. I will bringing them with me to GRPC so if you are attending I will have them for sale there. Price is $10 for 1 or $18 for two. If not at GRPC, you can send money by PayPal at john@politicsandguns.com.

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Listeners, you’ve heard us commenting on how the Big Banks and others have been using their financial muscle to work against legal firearms-related businesses. Sometimes it’s drying up their credit card transactions and sometimes it’s denying credit, and sometimes it’s just… thanks, we don’t want your business anymore. This is just another way that the left is working to shut down your access to your second amendment rights.

Well now, the State of Louisiana has struck back.

Citigroup and Bank of America withhold financing from firearms retailers and manufacturers who sold guns legally to adults under 21. In doing this, they were using their commercial power to make and extend a social engineering policy, designed to restrict rights under the second amendment.

Bank of America is trying to end relationships with customers who they say “make military weapons for civilians”, while Citigroup demand that their customers stop selling “high capacity” magazines, or rifles and shotguns to 18-20 year olds.

The banks had stipulated that to get financing, businesses had to follow their gun-related regulations.

When Louisiana went looking for underwriters for a six-hundred-million-dollar infrastructure project, these two banks applied. However, Attorney General Jeff Landry chose to deny their application because he determined that these banks were “ trying to become the social police.”

Landry’s Office put out a statement saying that Louisiana was not going to do business with corporations that infringe or restrict its citizens’ right to keep and bear arms. The office noted that the banks were not restricting financing to car manufacturers or Pharma companies, whose products kill three times more and five times more people a year than do firearms.

He concluded with “this is an infiltration of the left into boardrooms… in Louisiana, we’re just not going to stand for that.”

Listeners, what do you think? Should banks be neutral or can they choose to target individual rights as they choose?



Rob- Several retailers were sued by the Oregon Bureau of Labor and Industries for refusing to sell guns to people under 21. https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-stores-refuse-sell-guns-age/

Paul – I want to encourage everyone to do the same to these banks that they are doing to firearms companies. Refuse to give them your business.

John – It is not just banks that are trying to suppress the Second Amendment.

Foursquare, Intuit, shopify. McMillan opened a credit agency.



Listeners, we again urge you to reach out and support the work of Dr John Lott and his Crime Prevention Research Center. It’s one of the few sources of factual information on the ownership and defensive use of firearms by everyday Americans.

In its latest report, Dr Lott’s CPRC shows that the number of Citizens holding concealed firearms permits stands at a whopping 17.25 Million – up almost three times over a 10-year period. Since the 2016 election, almost a million people have obtained their permits.

In fact, almost 7.5% of US adults have permits, and in fifteen states, it’s over 10%. Alabama is highest with 22%, and Indiana is next, with 17%. Four states – Florida, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Texas have over a million permit holders. Fourteen states have constitutional carry.

Permit holding amongst women and minorities grew at rates that outstripped that amongst white males, which is great news. Women in particular are taking to concealed carry, at over twice the rate of men, while the number of Black and Asian permit holders grew over 20% faster.

Most interestingly, CCW holders are very law abiding; in Florida and Texas, permit holders are convicted of felonies and misdemeanors at one sixth the rate of regular police officers.

Listeners, what are your experiences? Did you recently get your permit? Email us to tell your story!

Paul – A





Last week, the intrepid Alan Gottlieb and the 2nd Amendment Foundation dealt the anti-gunners a black eye on your behalf, working alongside the NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action.

The anti-gunners were trying to put a peoples’ initiative on the ballot for the upcoming November election. It contained multiple, terrible changes to existing firearm law in Washington State. However, starkly ignoring the law, those who put forward the petition did not clearly show to those who signed the petition the proposed changes to existing law.

Gottlieb sued, and won, on the basis that Washington State election law was being trampled. They paid people nine dollars to sign the petition – a true sign of conscience we’re sure you’ll agree – however, local billionaires could not buy the court.

The petitioners, he said, “acted totally irresponsible in circulating this initiative to the voters and it not only cost them millions of wasted dollars but their credibility as well.”

Y’all, they ARE coming for your guns, and they have very deep pockets. Pay attention to what is happening in your local politics.

John – I’m really glad to see the NRA and SAF actually work hand in hand in Washington State. They have two other lawsuits together against the cities of Seattle and Edmonds for violating state preemption.

Paul – I am thinking that there was a lawsuit with GOA as well.





Listeners. You own and use and train with firearms for sport, self-defense and a variety of reasons. Someone, somewhere, wants to tax that. Perhaps to make it more difficult for you to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights, or perhaps, pragmatically, just to shake down people having fun, in order to fund the left’s agenda.

Well, now, Cook County has scored a victory in its quest to make money from legal gun owners.

They had established a tax of  $25 per gun and 5¢ per round. A suit brought by various 2nd Amendment supporters was just dismissed by the Cook County Circuit Court.  The court commented that “.. the tax is a valid exercise of Cook County’s home rule power to tax”

The Court’s decision was aggressive, stating that  there was no evidence that the tax would prevent ownership or possession of firearms, and the the tax did not violate the Second Amendment.

Firearms retailers and others said the the outcome was not unexpected, and that they would appeal.



Rob- Can we tax politicians by the word, or by the lie?

it is only a tax..said a SCOTUS judge.

Paul – SAF filing a suit in 5-4-3


Gun Quotes

“’Gun control’ is a job-safety program for criminals.”

– John Lott

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John – Rutherfordton, North Carolina
Chandra Nierman had recently moved to North Carolina from Indiana.  Her boyfriend was a convicted felon, with two active domestic violence protection orders against him in Ohio and Indiana, and who had multiple firearms around the house and frequently carried on his person.

On August 4, he had assaulted Nierman and fired multiple rounds inside the house to threaten and terrorize her.

On August 8, he was up to his old ways.  As he assaulted Nierman “causing bruises and contusions,” her kids took matters into their own hands.  The woman’s 12-year-old son grabbed a handgun. He handed the gun to his 15-year-old sister. She aimed and fired two shots that hit the abuser in the chest.

The man  quickly assumed room temperature.
Their 16-year-old sister was injured by bullet fragments but was treated and released from the hospital.

The DA’s office concluded, based on the facts and the evidence, that the shooting was justified and no charges will be filed.

Rob- The attacker said he would kill them all. If your ch
Paul – It’s unfortunate that the children had to do this. Thankfully the 12 year old knew where a gun was and what to do. Also

John – NC does have a law about keeping firearms out of the reach of minors. You are reminded about this everytime you purchase a firearm in the state as most dealers have you sign a disclaimer.


Gary – Indianapolis, Indiana
A dramatic armed robbery at Décor Furniture on the east side of Indianapolis was caught on camera last weekend.  It ended with the store owner turning the tables on the robber.
The store owner Doyle Stinson was in his store when the suspect pulled a gun and demanded money from him.  “I know you’ve got more money than that because this is a business.” He forced Stinson into the back room of the store.

Stinson somehow could tell the suspect’s gun was not loaded.  As he entered the back room, he hit the silent alarm and reached for his own weapon.

“I knew when he pulled the hammer back on the automatic weapon there wasn’t a bullet in the chamber,” Stinson said, “I know the sound.”

The video show him taking aim as the suspect quickly flees the store.  Stinson said he didn’t pull the trigger because he saw a boy in front of this store and was concerned about a stray shot hitting him.  (Rule 4)

The store owner instead called 9-1-1 and chased after the criminal.

A fellow store owner got in Stinson’s car and the two followed the suspect until it “became too dangerous.”

As for the take from the robbery, it netted him a whole $10.

Paul –

TRACY – Portland, Oregon
As a woman got on the elevator at her apartment, a 43-year-old crystal meth addict got on the elevator with her.  He confided that he had “just shot up.”
The man exited on the same floor as the woman and when she opened her door, he ran up and pushed her inside the apartment.
He looked wildly around, grabbed a pill bottle and $60 in cash.  He then exposed himself to her.

She was in “sheer panic” and the gun in her purse was not the first thing that came to her mind.  It was, however, how she was getting out of the situation.

When the man saw the gun, he dropped the bottle and ran out of the apartment with the cash.

Another woman was expecting a visitor and buzzed the person in.  The visitor did get photos of the suspect leaving the complex and the two shared the pictures with local law enforcement who recognized the junkie.
“I’ve had a real hard time since then, struggling with because it brings back horrible memories for me,” Kim said.

Unfortunately, she says this isn’t her first time dealing with sexual assault.

“There must be someplace inside me that’s just not going to let that happen again,” she said.

Now, she hopes everyone remembers to never let strangers inside.

“We need to look out for our neighbors, there’s a reason we live in a building that has security,” she said.


Rob- Don’t expect your neighbors to save you. POGO

Paul – you walk up to a building and hit every button on the door and someone will buzz you in.

And we’ll be back right after this with MORE DGUs!


Paul Dallas / Highland Park, Texas
Shortly before 8 PM, a man and a woman broke into the vehicle of a “commissioned” security guard near Turtle Creek.  When they drove their truck toward the security guard , he fired shots at them, claiming he had shot them.

The pair fled into Highland Park where the man dropped off the woman at a strip center.  He told witnesses that the woman needed help for an injury to her arm.

He then sped off and crashed into another vehicle a few blocks away.

Officers from Dallas, Highland Park, University Park and Southern Methodist University responded and set up a perimeter.  The started searching for the man to ran from the crash.

An off-duty officer working nearby found the suspect.

The two had been hospitalized and the male was taken to Dallas County jail.  The driver of the vehicle struck by the truck was hospitalized with non-life-threatening injuries.
The two face a charge of aggravated robbery in connection to the incident.  He was also changed with another robbery of a Taco Bell and a probation violation.

The man who fired the shots has had two aggravated assault reports filed against him and the case has been referred to a grand jury.


Grant – Cherokee County, Georgia
The hunt for the 25-year-old suspect began about 3 AM on Monday morning about a week ago.  He was wanted on a number of charges, burglary, obstruction, fleeing and attempting to elude, reckless conduct and reckless driving.  He is also accused of stealing trucks and ATV’s and threatening people with a sawed-off shotgun.

Deputies found a vehicle running and empty.  The vehicle had been reported stolen from Dawson County on Sunday night.

Deputies shot down the road due to receiving similar reports occuring in Cherokee and nearby counties.

At about 12:30 PM, they spotted the suspect on a dirt bike and gave chase.  After a short chase, he crashed the bike and fled into the woods. He wasn’t in the clear for long.

A neighbor told TV news that the suspect was hiding on her property.  She grabbed her gun and fired four of those pesky warning shots.
“By me firing shots in the air, it alerted my neighbor, so he knew he was coming his way,” the woman told the news station.

The deputies searched the woods and heard the shots.  They found the man holding the suspect at gunpoint.

Over a two week period, the suspect was tied to five crimes.

In one incident, he stole a truck and trailer and when confronted, got out of the truck and pointed a sawed-off shotgun at them.


Rob- Princess Anne County, Maryland

Two men wearing ski masks walked into a pharmacy recently.  One of the men was carrying what appeared to be a modern sporting rifle.

Wasim Amir, the owner and pharmacist was in his office when the suspects entered the store.  The man with the rifle ordered everyone to the ground.

Amir realized a robbery was in progress and removed the revolver from the desk drawer and started to walk out into the shop.   He was met by the robber who pointed the rifle at him.

When the robber saw the revolver, he yelled at his accomplice to run, saying “He has a gun.”

Amir fired once in their direction but missed leaving a hole in the front window of the pharmacy.

It was determined that the two men were demanding prescription medications and got none.  The window was replaced before lunch.


Paul – Training PLEASE!

John – The anti’s always belittle using a handgun when confronted with a rifle. It looks like it worked here.

Gary –

Rob- Don’t walk faster than you can see. Everyone should have been armed.

John – I think this was actually in Maryland. I thought they banned MSRs.

Paul –


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You are truly evil! – Hey – Alton BROWN!

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- In the last month I’ve posted 7 articles and 8 interviews about FASTER saves lives. You can find them at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

This month the Canadians retired an old war horse. The Canadian Army had used the Lee Enfield rifle in one form or another since the Boer War. It was still being used by their volunteer Arctic-based Canadian Rangers as it had few moving parts, functioned well in sub-freezing weather, and was powerful enough for polar bears. It will be replaced by a modified bolt action Tikka T3 in .308 made by Colt Canada.  Unfortunately, these Enfields won’t be hitting our surplus markets after retirement. They are slated for cadet training, museums, and as gifts to Canadian Rangers for a job well done. The Rangers are a reserve force that has Inuit, First Nations (what we call native americans), and “non-aboriginals” in it.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.   So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Tracy: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 459 – Kat Ainsworth


Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Thursday, August  15th, 2018, I’m Paul Lathrop

John: I’m John Richardson and on tonight’s show we will talk with Kat Ainsworth about firearms writing and training.

Belle: I’m Belle McCormack, and we’ll also talk about positive developments in Texas. So Climb aboard

Paul : Strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 459 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

John – Last week was spent entertaining family who were in town from St. Louis. This week I’ve been trying out a new “arm”. A chainsaw would be covered by the Second Amendment, wouldn’t it? I know the Stihl-Husqvarna rivalry is akin to Glock v Smith & Wesson M&P so I hesitate to go there. I also prepped an area today for use as a food plot for deer. I’ll plant it in a couple of weeks.

Belle – Finished up the WA ST IDPA Championship match, event went great, my shooting, not so much. Hosting Gunsite this weekend. And then…taking a weekend off to go camping with the kids before school starts.


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Listeners, we have been tracking the spread of the so-called “Red Flag” laws in various states, and our own Rachael Malone has been leading the charge against them in her new role with Gun Owners of America, down in Texas.

Now, lawmakers on  the Texas Senate Select Committee on “Violence in schools and School Security” has decided against more laws in favor of supporting increased school security.

The committee recommended securing funding for things such as cameras and metal detectors, as well as exploring a school marshal program and controlled entry points.

Other changes would include increased mental health training for school staff, and mental health resources for students.

The Committee specifically did not recommend the introduction of a Texas “Red Flag” law, saying instead that the current laws on domestic abuse be reviewed to clarify they impact on firearm possession.

The District that includes the Santa Fe high school where an attack took place recently also rejected Red-Flag and instead approved funding of one-point-five million dollars for security upgrades.

Listeners, this all makes way more sense than empowering unaccountable gun grabs, unless your aim is to grab guns unaccountably.




John –



Listeners, it was British Prime Minister Winston Churchill who sarcastically said “Never let a good crisis go to waste”, and of course, if there *isn’t* a serious crisis, then simply manufacture one.

We have all heard tragic stories where a child finds a firearm that has been poorly stored by a negligent adult and shoots themselves or another. This is horrible and now, the gun-grabbers have coined the term “Family Fire” to describe these events, and take advantage of them for their own ends.

“Family Fire” – the term makes it sound as if family members are hunting one another. It is yet another gross perversion of tragedy by those who would take away our rights.

The Brady Campaign website defines “Family Fire” as: “A shooting involving an improperly stored or misused gun found in the home, resulting in death or injury. Incidents include unintentional shootings, suicides and other gun-related tragedies.”

They ask: “Why is Family Fire” an issue?” and answer, “4.6 million children live in homes with loaded and unsecured guns. Everyday, family fire unintentionally injures or kills eight children and teens. Over 75% of school shootings start with kids having access to unsecured and/or unsupervised guns at home.”

You’ll notice that the term includes suicides. When else have we heard the tragedy of suicide used to inflate criminal use of firearms?

You’ll notice that there’s no mention of how many times children are killed or injured (and yes, one *is* too many), or how that number compares with those who drown in backyard swimming pools.

You’ll notice that educating children about firearms doesn’t feature in their program.

Listeners, don’t be fooled. This campaign with its catchy terminology is not about gun safety, despite what it says. It’s about creating fear and distrust amongst those who don’t own guns.

John – Years ago a local Highway Patrolman’s daughter used his firearm to kill herself.

Paul – The boston bombers were listed as “gun violence victims” by the brady campaign





Listeners, you know the last clause of the 2nd Amendment: “… the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.”

Well the lawyer for one illegal immigrant hopes that the amendment’s use of the word “people” and not “citizens”, will get him off gun charges, at the Supreme Court. Under currently accepted law, one must be a US Citizen or a Permanent Resident Alien (green card holder) to legally possess a firearm.

In 2016, illegal immigrant Javier Perez and a Mexican national  shot into the air to scare off a rival gang, using a gun that he freely admits borrowing from a friend. Brooklyn is prosecuting him under a number of firearms statutes.

Perez’s lawyer claims that, since there was no concept of “illegal alien” when the Bill of Rights was written, there was no suggestion that if you were from a foreign country, then you couldn’t bear arms. He is bolstering his argument with a section from the Heller decision, where mentally unstable people and felons were specifically mentioned as being excluded from 2nd amendment rights. The “logic” is that since illegal aliens were *not* specified, then they must have 2nd Amendment rights.

The prosecution argues that Illegal aliens have a “special interest” in evading the law. Further, they note that three circuit courts have rejected similar arguments in previous cases as have two federal appeals courts.

A California law professor noted: “The more one believes the Second Amendment is an individual right of self-defense, the harder it gets to say noncitizens are categorically not protected,” he said. “Any statute that makes firearms rights depend purely on immigrant status is constitutionally vulnerable,”

Arguments were held before Federal Judge Carol Bailey Amon on August 1st.

Listeners, what do *you* think?

John –






Listeners, we hear countless calls for “Common Sense Gun Safety”. Most of these come from organizations who think that the only “safe” gun is a confiscated one.

Well, the best established gun safety program for young children is quietly going from strength to strength.

The “Eddie Eagle” program, whose core message for children finding a firearm  is “Stop, don’t touch, run away, tell a grownup”, has reached a landmark of interest.

The program is produced by the NRA and in July, they said that they had received a quarter-of-a-million requests for the workbooks, videos and memento giveaways for the program.

The program is delivered to around a million pre-K to 4th graders every year, mostly by law enforcement officers, but also by NRA Instructors and other interested individuals.

Currently, 25 states have incorporated parts of the program into their safety training. Sadly however, some so-called “progressive” school districts prohibit the presenting of Eddie Eagle In their schools.

Listeners, what do you think – would you rather children were taught about guns, or kept in ignorance while adults hope they’ll not have an accident?

Paul – Good news!





Listeners, we reported recently on how several LvPD officers waited a floor below the room occupied by the Mandalay Bay murderer as he fired into the crowd below. Now LvPD has released its final report.

While the report details a very clear picture of the “who, what, when, where and how”, Sheriff Joe Lombardo told reporters and others that they had not been able to define the “why”.

Lombardo said that the mass murderer was an unremarkable man who showed signs of a troubled mind. He said there was no evidence for a second attacker and that no-one else was being charged, and that there was no evidence for links to international terrorist organizations.

The murderer’s brother said that he believed that the murders may have simply been an act of “boredom – he had done everything he wanted.” The murderer’s doctor said that be believed he was suffering from bipolar disorder, but had refused treatment.

The company who owns the hotel wants the murders to be classified as a act of terrorism, in order to absolve them of any liability to the families of those killed or injured.

So Listeners, is this what we are left with; fifty-eight people dead, hundreds more injured, at the hand of a man who was an untreated bipolar disorder victim, who was bored?






Listeners, the Bloomberg Redshirts and other gun banners always like to portray gun owners as “old white men” in dungarees, whose low IQ is only outdone by their small number of teeth. They live and breathe in the hope that gun ownership will simply die out.

However, the uncomfortable truth is that gun ownership is  lively, expanding and vibrant, with women of all ages, ethnicities and locations leading the “new wave” of what has been termed “Gun Culture two-point-oh.”

This was highlighted recently when two highly competitive programs for high schoolers drew 2,700 competitors.

The Scholastic Clay Target Program and Scholastic Action Shooting Program National Championships were conducted July 14-21 at the Cardinal Shooting Center in Marengo, Ohio. Youth from 26 states participated in the eight-day event with 2,692 competitors putting over one million rounds down range.

Trap and Skeet competitions were won by teams from Georgia, Iowa, Texas and Wisconsin. Action Shooting events were conducted in rimfire pistol, centerfire pistol, rifle optics, rifle iron sights, 1911 and pistol caliber carbine, and were won by competitors from multiple states, too, including Iowa, Pennsylvania and Tennessee.

Listeners, its easy to be overwhelmed by the flood of negative propaganda from those who would take away our rights. Don’t be discouraged. Bring the next generation of shooters forward and teach them well. Why not introduce the program to your high school? Contact the Scholastic Shooting Sports Foundation – their website is in the show notes.




Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Kat Ainsworth.


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Paul -Memphis, Tennessee

Some criminals just can’t pick the right house to break into.

As Whitney Lyne tried to relax and wind down before crawling into bed recently, a couple of intruders had other plans for her night.

It started with the doorbell ringing.  Since she wasn’t expecting anyone, she was startled.  The ringing continued and the person added banging on the door as well.

Lyne stared out the window through the curtains trying to catch a glimpse of the person banging on the door and trying the knob.  It turned out this was a woman and she had a big man sitting in a silver car parked in Lyne’s driveway.

Lyne then heard a boom and all went silent.

The woman was trying to come in through the front door.  Lyne’s two dogs then lost it.

Putting aside her fears, Lyne grabbed the shotgun her husband had left her for protection.

The woman at the door had broken the glass and was ready to come through the door.  She was stopped dead in her tracks though. Lyne and her shotgun did the trick.

The woman nonchalantly put up her hands and walked back to her car.  The guy in the car put his hands in the air, backed up and just sped off.

Once again, no shots fired.  According to the gun control crowd, this doesn’t count.


John – Crystal City, Missouri

When an 80-year-old man and his wife returned home, they saw evidence that someone had been in and about their home.  Clue number one, the garden hose stretched across the driveway and was turned on. Then his wife heard the door open. She said something but no one answered.

The man didn’t follow our popular advice and didn’t wait for police.  He grabbed a handgun and started clearing the house himself.

When he looked in the basement, he found more clues.  He flipped the lights on under the steps and found what he was looking for.  The intruder was on his knees. He got the criminal up and marched him outside to wait for police.  The homeowner’s son was outside and on the phone with the police dispatcher.

The old man told the intruder to do what he was told and he would not be shot.  The criminal complied.

As we say, leave the job of clearing the house to the police.

Paul –

Belle – Republic, Washington

The State of Washington has not been exactly a 2A friendly state lately but Republic police are encouraging citizens to exercise their rights after a man defended himself.

A man was sitting in his car with the window open when the suspect jumped through the open window.  The suspect was thought to be behind a variety of other vehicle break-ins that have been reported around the town.

Much to the suspect’s surprise, the vehicle’s owner was still inside and was also a concealed carrier.  He pointed his pistol at the suspect and ordered him to get on the ground and don’t move. The criminal complied.

“Crimes happen and they happen in the blink of an eye usually when you least expect them,” the Republic Police post read. “If you go about your day unarmed and helpless, you are a victim waiting for a crime to happen. … Get a gun, take a class and refuse to be a victim.”


Paul –
John – Beaver Falls, Pennsylvania

A pizza delivery man was a practitioner of POGO.  He had just delivered a pizza at about 12:20 AM on a Friday evening and was returning to his vehicle when a man approached him.  The man tried to rob the driver. The driver was stabbed during the ensuing fight but was able to get his handgun from his vehicle and fired one shot at the attacker.

The man was hit and fled on foot.  He was found by police about a block away on a porch.  He was pronounced dead at the scene.

The driver was treated at a hospital and his name and condition were not released.


Belle – New Bedford, Massachusetts

Cab driver and food delivery drivers are like targets for the low lifes which infest our streets.  A cabbie picked up two men in New Bedford early Friday. The men put the driver in a choke hold and used a knife to try to rob him.

The driver managed to free himself from the two and escape from the cab.  He fired several shots back at the cab. He hit one of the two men who expired after reaching a hospital.  The other man fled the cab and was later arrested a little time after noon on the same day.

The DA’s office says that the cabbie was licensed to carry and has not been idenfified.


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John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

The move by the gun prohibitionists to ban free speech just got a bit harder. In a move reminiscent of the controversy over the encryption program PGP, someone – not Cody Wilson or Def. Distributed – has published a book with the code for the Liberator pistol. This makes it that much harder for a court to ban the software files used in 3-D printing. Or, at least, it should. I bought a copy of the book and I’d suggest you follow our link to buy it as well. By the way, it is outselling HIllary Clinton’s It Takes A Village: Picture Book.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob Until the next time…

John: stay safe,

Belle: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 458 – Brandon Combs

1- Introduction

Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Tuesday, Aug 7, 2018, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk with Brandon Combs about code is free speech.com.

Belle: I’m Belle McCormack, and we’ll also talk about Florida implementing Red Flag laws

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our DGUs we talk about a DGU anniversary form 1966… so climb aboard

Rob: strap in

Belle: and hang on!

Paul:  episode 458 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I talked with James Kaleda and Amanda Suffecool about armed school staff.


Belle – Discovering new levels of busy. Just finished MAG40, PSP/ASIC, and TacCon, in addition to a couple regular FAS classes. Then helping and participating in the Wa St IDPA Match this weekend. Then we will be hosting Gunsite for a 150 class the 17th-19th. Then, i may or may not have a day off.

Paul/Susan ran out to commiefornia

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Listeners, you’ve heard us talking a lot about the so-called “Red Flag” laws being introduced in

states all across the country. While states such as Texas have been able to use grass-roots

activism to thwart them somewhat, other States were bushwhacked as the Bloomberg Redshirts

hustled them through legislatures under the lie of “common sense”.

One such law was introduced in Florida after the Parkland atrocity and this week, we learned

that to date, almost four hundred and seventy people have had firearms confiscated under that


In Broward County, where the Sheriff’s department performed so nobly in defense of the high

school, eighty-eight such orders have been enacted.

In Pinellas County, a special 5-man unit has been stood up that *only* deals with these. Headed

by Sergeant Jason Schmittendorf, the unit has taken in around 200 firearms and thirty thousand

rounds of ammunition under sixty-four Red-Flag confiscations.

Pinellas County Sheriff Bob Gualtieri is “especially passionate” about the new law. He chairs the

task force that was formed after the Parkland atrocity to explore ways to prevent future school

shootings. Sheriff Gualtieri speaks well, he said, “It’s a constitutional right to bear arms and

when you are asking the court to deprive somebody of that right we need to make sure we are

making good decisions, right decisions, and (that) the circumstances warrant it,”

His five-man unit is uncovering good decisions at the rate of three per week in his county.

The law was enacted in the middle of March – barely 20 weeks ago – so that means that twentytwo

people are experiencing confiscations every week. Listeners, that is three a day, every day.

Attorney Kendra Parris is critical of the new law. She said that such laws may make people

“feel” safer, but that they violate the constitution.

Orders are even being filed against people who do not have any history of violence or mental

illness, or do not even own a firearm, with the intent to prevent them from obtaining one for at

least six months. In some cases, these may be justified only on the basis of some comment on

social media.

Listeners, setting up special units smacks of a “clean up” operation, and while these laws may

be well-intended, the scope for abuse is huge. In New Jersey for example, people are allowed

to bring the charge, and call witnesses to support it, without the person accused ever being

informed. Make no mistake, they *are* coming for your guns.






Rob- 90 percent overtuned

Belle – So what crime did these people commit? Maybe I’m naive, but I’m having a hard time understanding. What happens after its overturned




You’ll remember how we talked about the settlement between the DOJ and Defense

Distributed that opened the door for Cody Wilson to restart presenting the files for 3-D printing of

firearms components, and running a milling machine, for download over the internet.

As expected, Attorneys General from a bunch of states, as well as multiple members of

Congress, objected loud and long. In only two examples of many, the Attorney General of New

Jersey threatened prosecution. Senator Richard Blumenthal warned of a “New Wave” of gun

violence. Celebrities (well known for their deep analytical thought processes) have been

hammering the Twitterverse with calls for bans, and like-minded Twits have been agreeing.

However, things have gotten serious. Wilson himself sought to defuse the situation by agreeing

not to allow PA-based servers to handle the files. While an initial attempt to get a restraining

order was denied, now a Federal Judge has granted one.

US District Judge Robert Lasnik issued the order on July 31st, and this provides time for

Congressional Democrats to pressure the White House and the DOJ to have the decision


It is unlikely that they will succeed, since the settlement was reached under First Amendment

rather than Second Amendment, grounds. Computer software is already protected as freespeech.

The amount of political misinformation has been staggering. Lawmakers have stated that whole

ARs (including springs, and barrels) can be printed, smuggled onto aircraft, etc etc. They seem

to have forgotten that they already passed a law making TSA-undetectable guns illegal.

Nonetheless, three bills to stop 3-D printing of firearms were introduced in Congress.

Meanwhile, the disputed code is proliferating across the internet, with supporters saying that

they, “…intend to encourage people to consider new and different aspects of our nation’s

marketplace of ideas — even if some government officials disagree with our views or dislike our

content — because information is code, code is free speech, and free speech is freedom.”

Cody Wilson himself said, “I believe I am championing the Second Amendment”.

Listeners, if you want to make the (large!) investment in time and money to make one of these

guns for yourself, the information is available.


















Paul – we will be hearing a lot about this in Brandon Comb’s interview in a few minutes

Belle – I’m NOT a tech geek….

Rob- I’m a tech geek. The real world applications for 3d printed guns is extremely narrow. These politicians are posturing for the news media.



Belle – At least 73 people were shot in one of the most violent weekends of the year in Chicago.

Between 3 p.m. Friday and 6 a.m. Monday morning, 11 people were killed and 61 people were wounded.

Chicago has been run by progressive politicians for decades. It has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation. We were told that each law that restricts the rights of honest citizens to own a gun would bring peace to Chicago streets.

Who is surprised that criminals don’t apply for gun purchase permits? Criminals don’t submit to background checks. They neither wait for mandatory cooling off periods nor do they register their guns. Only the politicians pretend to be surprised. Today, the thugs don’t bother to run away as they shoot innocent citizens.

Rather than admit that their political policies destroyed a once great city, Chicago politicians blame guns and call for more gun control.  Will it take a hundred, a thousand, or ten thousand dead in a weekend before the voters reject these corrupt politicians?

Rob- Belle talked about politicians. Let’s talk about the media.

Belle – Ed Monk – FACTS

Gary- Gun Quotes

What society in human history ever gathered its children together, then issued a public guarantee that they would be left completely undefended?  Alex Rawls

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest Brandon Combs of the Firearm Policy Coalition.


3- Interview 1

Brandon Combs-


4- Interview 2

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

(Per Rachel’s request)

Austin, Texas

August 1, 1966.  A date that affected both Texans and non-Texans alike.  Twenty years later, the State of Texas removed the gun free zone designation for state universities.

Charles Whitman, a former Marine, perpetrated one of the worst mass shootings in history.

Whitman was admitted to the University of Texas on a scholarship from the Naval Enlisted Science Education Program.  While at UT, Whitman met and married his wife but also struggled with gambling and bad grades and lost his scholarship by 1963.  He sought professional help for “overwhelming violent impulses,” including fantasies about shooting people from the tower.

Between midnight and 3 AM on the first, Whitman first killed his mother at her apartment then killed his wife.  He left notes at both scenes professing his love for both women, but killed them to spare them future humiliation and suffering.

Later that morning, he rented a hand truck and then cashed $250 in bad checks at a bank.  He then drove to a hardware store and purchased a M1 carbine, two magazines and eight boxes of ammunition.  At a gun shop he bought four more magazines, six more boxes of ammunition and a can of gun cleaning solvent.  At Sears he purchased a 12 gauge semi-automatic shotgun.

At home he sawed off the barrel and butt stock of the shotgun then packed it, the M1, a Remington 700, a 9MM Luger pistol, a .25 caliber pistol, a Smith and Wesson .357 magnum revolver and more than 700 rounds of ammunition in his footlocker.  He also packed food, coffee, water, binoculars, knives and other supplies.

At about 11:25 AM, Whitman reached the University of Texas where he obtained a parking permit using fake identification.  He then wheeled his arsenal into the Main Building of the University. He found the elevator did not work, but an employee activated it for him.  He thanked her stating, “Thank you ma’am. You don’t know how happy that makes me.”

When the elevator stopped at the 27th floor, he hauled the load up a flight of stairs to a hallway and then up another stairway.  There he met Edna Townsley. He knocked her to the floor then killed her with the butt of his rifle, striking the back of her skull then above the left eye.

M. J. Gabour, his wife and two sons were visiting his sister and her husband in Austin.  All 6 were on their way to the observation deck when they encountered Whitman after he blocked the stairway with a desk.  He shot both boys, one in the shoulder and one in the head then shot Gabour’s sister and wife. The two men then fled down the stairs to look for help.  Gabour’s youngest son and sister would become deaths 4 and 5.

Whitman then moved to the observation deck.  The deck stood 231 feet above ground level.

At 11:48 AM, he started shooting people on the ground.  Claire Wilson and Thomas Eckman were leaving the Student Union when Wilson was shot in the abdomen, killing her unborn baby.  As Eckman went to her aid, he was shot in the chest and died instantly.

And the shooting continued.  Four minutes after the shooting started, the first call came into the Austin Police Department.  Officer Billy Speed and another officer were with other behind a decorative baluster on the South Mall when he was shot through a gap in the masonry.

Basketball coach Billy Snowden was struck in the shoulder while standing in a barbershop doorway.  At 500 yards, he thought he was out of range and was the farthest victim from the tower.

David Gunby would be the 16th and final person to die from his wounds.  A shot passed through his arm and into his abdomen, severing his small intestine and injuring his kidney.  It was found that this was his one functioning kidney. He died in 2001 after discontinuing Dialysis. His death was ruled a homicide.  31 others were injured by gunshots, bullet fragments, glass and debris.

Officer Houston McCoy heard of the shooting on the Radio.  As he looked for a way to the tower, a student offered to help, saying he had a rifle at home.  McCoy drove him home to get the gun.

Allen Crum was a 40-year-old retired Air Force tail gunner managing at the University Book Store Co-op.  He saw a 17-year-old newspaper boy being dragged and went to break up what he thought was a fight. He discovered that he had been shot and hearing more shots, rerouted traffic out of the way.  Unable to go back to the store, he make his way to the tower.

Officer Ramiro Martinez was off duty at home, when he heard about the attack on the news.  He called the station and was told to go direct traffic. Once there he found the officers already doing that so he zigzagged his way to the tower.

While officers were attempting to reach the tower on the ground, McCoy and other headed there via underground maintenance tunnels.  Officers and civilians provided suppressive fire from the ground with small arms and hunting rifles. This forced the shooter to stay low and fire through storm drains restricting his targets.  Two students fired their hunting rifles from the front porch of their fraternity house. Other fired from behind trees and cars. They also attempted to get a police sharpshooter in range from a small plane but had to back off and only serve as a distraction after Whitman fired at the plane.

Martinez reached the 27th floor where he met up with Crum, Public Safety Officer Dub Cowan and Officer Jerry Day.  Cowan had provided Crum with a rifle.

After Martinez, Crum and Day found M. J. Gabour and Day removed him from the 27th floor, Martinez started to the observation deck.

“Are you going up?”

“Yes, I am.”

“Well, you’re not going by yourself.”

Crum asked, “Are we playing for keeps?”

Martinez, “You’re damn right we are playing for keeps.”

“Well, you better deputize me.”

It was then clear that to Martinez that Crum was not a plainclothes officer but a civilian.

Day and McCoy reached the two as they opened the door to the south side of the deck.  They hesitated to see if the sound of the door opening drew fire. They then entered the deck.  Crum stayed by the door as the other three started round on the east side of the deck. Whitman was in the northwest corner.  Crum fired a round into the southeast wall of the tower. This was the distraction the officers needed. While the shooter looked to the south to discover where the shot had come from, the two officers confronted him.  Martinez emptied his revolver and McCoy fired twice hitting Whitman in the head. Martinez then grabbed the shotgun and fired once more into the shoulder. He waved the gun in the air and shouted, “We got him,” but had to duck back to avoid becoming a victim of the suppressive fire.

In a post mortem autopsy, it was found that Whitman had a brain tumor which could have been a cause of his impulses.

In 2015, the memories of the armed citizens helped Texas pass on campus carry.  The impacts of the fire were plastered over and after several suicides, the tower deck was fenced in and is only available by appointment only.



Gary- Titusville, Florida.

Saturday in the park.  No not the Chicago song.  It was a “Peace in the City” anti-violence back-to-school event in Titusville.  Backpacks were given away and a DJ was keeping the party lively.

A dozen shots rang out.  Parents shouted names over the screams.

The DJ was live-streaming the activities and kept recording while the gunshots rang out going on.

The armed attacker came to the park looking for someone he had fought with weeks ago.  The two fought with their fists then the attacker left. He returned with a gun and opened fire.

As he crossed a parking lot, he was confronted by a good guy with a gun.  The shooter drew his weapon again and the concealed carrier shot him in the head.

The armed defender is cooperating with investigators and no charges are expected to be filed against him.


Paul- were the backpacks that were given out clear? Asking for a friend


Belle – Littlefield, Texas

A 25-year-old would be carjacker was under arrest after assaulting a woman with a knife.  The victim and her boyfriend were loading the car when the suspect told the couple that was his car and then assaulted both of them.

The woman tried to get her children out of the car during the altercation.

A neighbor saw the attack taking place and armed himself.  He point his firearm at the attacker. The suspect verbally assaulted the good guy and moved away from the couple and walked across the street.  As a Littlefield Police Office arrived on the scene, the thug dropped his knife and began attacking the officer. The officer was able to subdue him and then arrest him.

He has been charged with 4 different crimes.


Rob- I’m thinking that the attacker was intoxicated.

Rob- Nashville, Tennessee

Social media can lead to problems.  For two 22-year-old men in Nashville, it lead to the death of one.

The ongoing feud because violent during the beginning of May.  Demarco Churchwell first sent a friend to confront Justin Golson at the shoe-shine kiosk he works at inside the Opry Mills Mall although the friend denied threatening him in court.

When Golson returned to the mall after going home to retrieve his weapon, the other man aggressively approached him.  Mall surveillance shows the man backing up with his hands up for 20 seconds before the shooting.

Golson was charged with criminal homicide in regards to the shooting.

The Assistant District Attorney made the decision to drop the charges on grounds of self-defense after reviewing Instagram messages and video surveillance that corroborated both the threats against Golson and his backing away in retreat from the aggressor.

“It’s pretty clear from the evidence,” Assistant DA Jenny Charles said in a phone interview. “His actions were justified under the law as self-defense.”

Golson’s statements had remained consistent throughout the process and were corroborated by witnesses.

“From the beginning he has stated that this was self-defense and he was legitimately scared of Mr. Churchwell,” Charles said.


Paul – the guy apparently fired WHILE retreating

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Mike sends us our only email this week.

No disrespect to Paul, in fact I totally appreciate and respect all he has done for the 2A community, but episode 455 was the best ever. It moved along quickly, everybody was bang on que. Transitions were crisp. There were no Ahh or Umm’s. Y’all got in, on topic, moved along, and got out or on to the next topic efficiently. Great production! Much more enjoyable from this end. Thanks!

Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?


I’ve been writing about armed school staff. I hope you’ll give me a read.

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

It should come as no surprise that much of my blogging over the past week has dealt with Defense Distributed, the temporary restraining order, 3-d printing, and efforts at promoting free speech. I also learned a new word. That word is “gundamentalist”. It comes from an article by Reuters describing the campaign of Adam Kraut to win a seat on the NRA Board. A gundamentalist is one who objects to the NRA’s efforts at compromise and appeasement with those who would trample on our God-given rights. In that regard, I’m a proud gundamentalist. I also supported Adam in his run and will do so again if he decides to subject himself to it.

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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today. So for Amy, Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

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Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Belle: be aware,

Paul: and we’ll see you down the road.

Episode 457 – Training After Action Report


Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast powered by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded on Monday, July 30th, 2018, I’m Paul Lathrop

Rob: I’m Rob Morse and on tonight’s show we will talk about active shooter classes at the firearms academy of Seattle.

John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about armed teacher training in Ohio.

Tracy: I’m Tracy Thronburg, and tonight we’ll learn why the 9th circuit court of appeals is in the news again!

Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone, and we’ll talk about how we’re winning the fight against Red Flag in Texas.

Gary: I’m Gary Daugherty and in one of our Defensive gun use stories, a woman stopped an intruder at her front door. So climb aboard,

Rachel: strap in

John : and hang on!

Paul:  episode 457 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

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Personal news from each participant (when you are done with your segment please ask the next person what has been up with them)

Rob- I went to a three day training class for armed school staff. These teachers become very serious when it comes to protecting their kids. Can you make the first shot of the day? I interviewed with Craig DeLuz of the Firearms Policy Coalition. I talked with Bill Frady on his Lock and Load Radio program.

John – I must apologize to our listeners for missing the last podcast. My allergies were acting up and I don’t think anyone wanted to listen to me constantly snorting and sniffling. Since the last podcast, I was on the Firearms Chat Podcast with Bill Chackes and Greg Hutton to discuss the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh to replace Justice Kennedy on the SCOTUS. I also spent time this weekend clearing brush on land I have hopes of hunting this fall. I did see one deer as I approached the property and my trail cam has caught more pics of deer. Finally, I was asked today by SAF to be a speaker at the Gun Rights Policy Conference.


Tracy – In the week since our last podcast, I’ve done nothing except carry every day!

Rachel – Last Tuesday was a very satisfying day — and a big win for gun rights. We’ll talk about it more in the news segment, but as a personal observation: folks, it DOES make a difference when our people show up in overwhelming numbers. Last week, all it took was 34 of our people showing up to give us a majority. 75% of the witnesses opposed Red Flag. Takeaway: show up to committee hearings if at all possible. In other news: I booked my travel for GRPC. So Chicago, here I come.


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Listeners.. last week we told you how a decision from the 9th Circuit Court had kept alive litigation to declare California’s 10-round magazine bill unlawful. Well this week, the same court has come out with a decision that the open carry of defensive firearms in public is protected by the Constitution.

The case originates in Hawaii, where it is extremely difficult (that is, functionally impossible), to obtain a CCW permit. Plaintiff George Young was denied a permit twice and so brought suit, arguing that if Hawaii would not allow concealed carry, then under Heller it should allow open carry. The District Court disagreed, determining that the denial did not infringe Mr Young’s 2nd Amendment rights.

Mr Young persevered, and early last week, a 9th Circuit panel determined that the Second Amendment  “..does protect a right to carry a firearm in public for self defense.”. The Court also stated that limiting such rights to retired police officers, or security professionals such as security guards, did “..violate the core of the Second Amendment.”

The ruling was very strong in its support of the right to protect oneself with firearms in the general public. This is the sixth US Circuit Court to interpret the Second Amendment in this way. The Court observed that, since it had already determined that the 2nd Amendment did not protect the right to carry a concealed firearm, there was no question that, under Heller, the Court must decide that open carry *was* protected.

Not surprisingly, 2A advocates have been extremely excited about this ruling, but it’s important to remember that it will almost certainly be appealed for a hearing of the entire court. The decision there will determine whether the case ends before the Supreme Court.



John – We were very lucky. Mr Young represented himself in most of the proceedings. He had help in the Appeals process. If like a case in Tennessee, it could have gone very wrong.


Rob- we drew two good judges. Does Hawaii want to lose small, or appeal and lose big?

John – It might not be up to Hawaii. One of the 9th C. judges could request the en banc hearing.



California is very aggressive in denying its citizens their second amendment rights. Most recently, they required that if Californians wished to retain their so-called “assault weapons”, then they had to register them, and the state set up a website for them to do this. However, the whole process has been a disaster, so much so that the Second Amendment Foundation is suing the state for requiring the population to register their firearms while failing to provide a functioning means to do so.

By the set deadline, 6,213 individuals successfully registered 12,519 firearms. Over a thousand people had their registration attempts rejected. A staggering fifty-two thousand applications were not processed by the deadline and technically, that’s fifty-two thousand felons.

However, that’s only the tip of the iceberg. According to the Firearms Policy Coalition, data on gun sales from state records show that there were an estimated one-point-three million rifles sold in California that would meet registration requirements. In other words, only three-point-six percent of firearms owners even attempted to register their rifles and the ones successfully registered represent a piffling zero-point-seven percent.

Brandon Combs, president of Firearms Policy Coalition, said, “In 2016 I predicted mass noncompliance with these laws and that seems to be what happened.”  He blamed the State for refusing to provide an education program to go with the new law, that would let gun owners know that the law had changed. He also noted that there was a well-publicized case of a man being arrested while attempting to comply and that this likely acted as a major disincentive.

There is little doubt that gun owners simply refused to comply with what they see as step too far by the legislature. This has previously been seen in New York and Connecticut.

It likely will not be long before the criminal cases, and counter lawsuits, begin.







Last week we talked about the settlement between Cody Wilson and SAF, and the Department of Justice, that has allowed the computer files encoding the 3-D printing of gun parts to go ahead.

As we expected, the anti-gunners were faster than a little greased piggy to go to court to stop it.

The Brady Campaign, the Bloomberg Redshirts and Gabby Giffords, jointly filed a 22-page motion for a temporary restraining order. They were strident in their criticism of the settlement agreement, saying, “Publication of these files on the internet will cause irreparable harm to the United States and its citizens…”. They claimed that the worldwide availability of untraceable and undetectable firearms would, “…threaten the security of the United States..”, adding.. “once released, the damage cannot be undone.”

However, US District Court Judge Robert Pitman disagreed, saying that the plaintiffs did not have standing to bring a motion against the Cody Wilson settlement, writing, “..it is ordered that (the motion) is denied.”

Alan Gottlieb said that the gun prohibition lobby “..threw everything at us to overturn our huge First and Second Amendment  win, and they lost. This is a great day for Freedom.”

This motion was one of many coming attempts to stop publication of these files. The New Jersey Attorney General has sent Wilson and his company, Defense Distributed, a “Cease and Desist” letter. and more than 40 small groups are preparing their own motions. Manhattan District Attorney argued that plastic guns could easily be smuggled onto airplanes and into concerts. Being untraceable, they would undermine the work of law enforcement.”

Listeners, what do you think? Email us at “onair@politicsandguns.com”


Rob- Doesn’t the Opera browser have a Virtual Private Network capability so you can download files.

Paul- These aren’t “undetectable” in my opinion you have to have ammunition to fire these. And there is no ammunition made out of plastic

John – How many of us have the files for the Liberator pistol.?



John- It was reported late this afternoon that nine states have filed suit in Washington State against the Trump Administration’s decision to settle with SAF, Cody Wilson, and Def. Distributed. I don’t think they have a leg to stand on as this is an area in which the President has power, can delegate that power as did Obama, and that Federal law is supreme.

Rob- the street price is usually lower than the over the counter price.



We have been reporting on the so-called Red Flag laws that are popping up like demonic little gophers in statehouses around the country, following the Parkland atrocity.

Two weeks ago, we reported on the proposals to introduce such a law in Texas. Now, we are pleased to be able to tell you that the chances for such a law are diminishing quickly.

Following some well-organized grass-roots activism from our own Rachel Malone, governor Abbott sees that opinion is “coalescing” against the introduction of such a bill, originally proposed as part of a new School security initiative. The governor asked the Legislature to consider such a law, but it has drawn unfavorable comments from 2A advocates. Even the Lieutenant Governor said that he has “never supported” such a law, and suggested it would be “dead on arrival” on the senate floor.

The concept drew sharp criticism from conservative and firearm advocacy groups. Nearly 50 people testified at the Senate Select Committee on Violence in Schools and School Security. It turns out that 75% of the witnesses who offered a recommendation were AGAINST the Red Flag proposal. Most of them cited opposition because the proposals would force a person to defend himself in a court of law – and possibly have his firearms confiscated — without even probable cause of a crime having been committed.

This united opposition doubtlessly was in the Governor’s mind when he said recently that his comment that the legislature consider a Red Flag law did not represent a personal commitment to it.

Never doubt the value of your opinion. Never think your vote won’t matter. Support your local gun rights groups, and never forget: they *are* coming for your guns.



Rachel: I’d like to note a few things. First, ALL of the gun groups showed up in opposition to Red Flag. Second, we’ve seen the Lt. Gov. change opinions very quickly when there was a huge uprising of gun rights voices. Third, don’t expect that this is the end of the matter – these things slip in in slimy ways in other bills and under other names. I’ll be watching.



Listeners, we all know how the Left raised David Hogg and others to represent gun control in the wake of the Parkland atrocity. Well, this week, a possible new voice on the Conservative side has emerged, too.

Kyle Kashuv spoke out against the usual calls for gun control after the murders, against the general trend of his classmates and the media. He reported being bullied and questioned by the police after visiting a gun range. Appearing on “Face the Nation”, he said, “As Americans we all have different points of view, and it’s important to represent them all equally.”

Now, he is credited with playing a major role in the success of the recent “Turning Point USA” high school leadership summit. The event was held in Washington DC, and attracted over 800 students from all over the country. The organizer, Charlie Kirk, credits much of the success to Kyle.

Kirk said that Kyle booked speakers, organized rooms, contacted media and played a role in almost every part of organizing the event. Last year, the conference drew 150 attendees and Kirk credits the huge increase to Kyle’s efforts at promoting the event on social media. Kirk said that Kyle “..worked his ass off.”

Heavy duty speakers such as the Attorney General, the secretary of State for Education and the Secretary to the United Nations spoke, as did members of the First Family, and Kyle introduced them all. Kyle only said that, “..it’s great to see all these kids here because they are the leaders on their campuses. These are the kids who are going to ..push conservative values.”

However, his true role was revealed when he himself took the stage and he received an enormous ovation, and cries of “USA, USA” Organizer Kirk said “He brought this to the next level. He deserves all the credit. Putting together these kinds of speakers is unbelievable.”

Listeners, why not tell us about rising young leaders in your community, and support their events with a few hours of your time? You can email us at  onair@politicsandguns.com



Paul – It’s great to see this, unfortunately I first heard of this today.


John – Gary’s correct. Moreover, social media like FB and Twitter are actively conspiring against progun voices.


Gun Quotes-

The only way to make sure your gun will always be there when you need it is to always carry it.  Massad Ayoob

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our guest (Name).


3-  Rob FASTER level II

Who thinks guns in school is a good idea? Sro trainers, sheriffs, some SWAT cops, school staff.

Can you make the first shot of the day? (you often think you’re prepared, but then find out you should have practiced more) (the teacher’s rose to the occasion, including re-qualifying on the ohio police training test)

Hand to hand

More TCCC- trauma care

36 scenarios, force on force and shoot houses, (I missed and feel sick.)

Some of these teacher developed their own local training courses. They do walk throughs of their facility, and they train with the local deputies.

Advanced techniques. (rescue, retention)

4- Paul- Active Shooter Interdiction

Rob- Paul, did you learn a lot as an observer in these scenarios?

5- DGUs  (at beginning) These discussions are NOT legal advice. Some of us are trainers, but this is not formal training and YOU NEED formal training. The Defensive Gun Use segment is intended as information, NOT as training. As always the opinions of the hosts are only their own opinions and not those of any sponsors or other affiliations.

Gary – St Pauls, North Carolina

On a recent afternoon, a woman was opening her shed when she found a career criminal and drug addict hiding in her storage building.  The thug lunged at her in an aggressive manner and she shot him multiple times in response. None of the wounds were life-threatening.

A year earlier the suspect was arrested and charged with felony possession of burglar tools and misdemeanor possession of drug paraphernalia.  The same day he was charged with felony possession of a stolen vehicle as well as a second charge of drug paraphernalia and possession of .5 to 1.5 ounces of marijuana.

The investigation into the shooting is ongoing and no charges have been filed.


Rachel- sounds like she had her gun in the safest place: on her person — even while on her own property.

John – Robeson County is one of the most violent in North Carolina. We’ve had DGUs from there before.

Paul – a successful point shooting

John – Lake Mary, Florida

According to the Seminole County Sheriff’s office, shortly after 2 AM on a Sunday a 35-year-old man and 26-year-old man were involved in an altercation in the parking lot of the Colonial Town Park shopping center.  The older man pulled a handgun and fired one round. The younger man retrieved a handgun of his own and fired multiple rounds. He struck the elder man and that man was pronounced dead later.

Investigators determined that the one round fired by the deceased missed his adversary but did hit a bystander across the parking lot.  The 28-year-old died later that night.

The younger combatant has been determined to have acted in self-defense and no charges have been filed.

He may have to address the death of the bystander in a civil trial.


Paul – I cannot stress how important it is to stay out of altercations of any type if you are armed.
John – I’m not sure what was the source of the altercation.

Tracy- Boonville, Missouri

When the 26-year-old criminal entered the Eagle Stop convenience store and acted suspiciously, he caught the attention of a customer.  When the thug approached the cash register and demanded money, the customer produced a firearm and held him at gunpoint until law enforcement arrived.

A woman who claimed the employee behind the counter was her daughter praised the customer for his actions and another replied to the woman’s Facebook post that the customer was her grandfather who went to get his gun when he thought something wasn’t right.  The man lives near the store.

It might be assumed that the grandfather was not licensed to carry concealed but in Missouri, open carry is legal so he could bring the firearm back with him.

The criminal has been charged with first degree attempted robbery, armed criminal action, exhibiting a weapon and receiving stolen property.


Rachel- And they say it gets too confusing when civilians pull out their guns? Here’s proof they’re wrong.


Rob- Was there a lethal threat? Would you shoot the robber if he got up and ran away?

John- One thing to note – Missouri is a constitutional carry state for both open and concealed carry.

Paul Dayton, Ohio

A man who had witnessed another attempted burglary last April had a case of déjà vu.  At the time, he didn’t know what to do, or how much time he had, so he recorded them on his phone and gave it to police.

This time, when he thought it was the same three people attempting to rob the same store, he went further.

After grabbing his pistol, he ran across the street and told the female getaway driver and male lookout to get on the ground.  When the male in the store came out and got in the passenger side of the car and then slid to the drivers seat.

He yelled at him to get out of the car which he eventually did and sat down.

He held them at gunpoint until police arrived.  When they demanded he put the gun down, he did. One of the males used that to flee the scene.  K9 units were not able to locate him.

The juvenile male suspect was taken to a juvenile justice center and the adult female was arrested and charged with breaking and entering.

This was the third break-in attempt of the year.

It was unknown if the third suspect was located or what, if anything, was taken from the store.


Rachel- Texas law allows for defense of property more so than other states. Be aware of your law. Know that legal justification does not equal moral justification. Also: this was a female “bad guy” – would you hesitate?



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6- E-mail, blog notes, and show close

Listener e-mail discussion

Wow, I can’t believe it’s been a year since Rachel left for the RPT job. I wish her great success working with GOA going forward.

Paul, I’ve included a link with information about measuring for a bra – you can figure out if you really need to move up a size.

Regarding the discussion of XD/XDM and their grip safety, that’s a feature that led me to purchase an XD as my first handgun. Since then, my confidence in me is greater and I don’t find that to be a necessity, but I also don’t find it any kind of a liability. As Matt mentioned in the email, being able to hold your hand off the grip safety when holstering is good, but still doesn’t beat just carefully holstering, regardless of the gun. What I don’t want on a defensive gun is a thumb safety, a switch you have to consciously (or unconsciously) deactivate to make the gun work. I think that would provide more opportunity to fumble it than a grip safety ever could.

And Paul – you’ve not had a 911? You’ve missed one of life’s great pleasures, scooting down the Authobahn with your butt just a couple inches above the pavement.


Paul: Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I will post several articles about armed school staff. I asked the best sources I could find if teachers should be armed to protect our students. Their answer was clear.

My articles are up at Clash Daily, at Ammoland and at my blog, slow facts dot wordpress dot com.  John, tell us what’s new at your blog no lawyers only guns and money.

In the news section, we reported that the efforts by gun control groups to stop Defense Distributed from posting their files on the Internet failed. Yesterday, Defense Distributed and SAF filed suit in Federal Court in Austin against the Atty Gen of NJ and the City Atty of LA for their threats to suppress the posting of these files in NJ and LA. The suit contends rightly that NJ and LA are treading on the 1st and 2nd Amendments, that Federal law is supreme in interstate commerce and export control law, and that the defendants are engaging in tortious interference. I anticipate other power-hungry politicians will be added to this lawsuit in the coming days. The reason these anti-gun politicians are fighting Cody Wilson so strongly is because they realize it is the death knell of gun control when anyone can make their own firearm.

That and more is at only guns and money dot blogspot dot com.



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Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  So for Tracy, Belle, Dana, Douglas, Gary, John, Rachel, Susan, Grant and Rob,

(Paul, stop talking now)

Rob: Until the next time…

Gary: stay safe,

Rachel: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.