Human Rights Advocate Paul Lathrop needs your help.


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Human Rights Advocate Paul Lathrop urgently needs your help.  Paul was arrested and released last week.  He spoke with his lawyer today.  He needs another $5,000 before the lawyer will take the case.  The lawyer is optimistic, but they need more than that amount of money to mount a good defense.  The goal is $15 thousand.  We’ve opened a GoGetFunding site.

Please donate here.

Paul is a long-haul truck driver and driving instructor by trade.  Last weekend, Paul was in Nebraska training a student driver when the following situation unfolded.

The student driver had stopped at a station to refuel. As the student pulled away from the pump, another driver apparently felt that the student drove too close to his rig. Although there was no collision, the irate driver of the other truck rushed over to the driver’s side of Paul’s rig and aggressively approached the student. The student felt that he was about to be assaulted and told the aggressor to back off. Paul also demanded that the driver back off.

After some back and forth, the other driver finally went back to his vehicle and the student drove off. Unfortunately, the other driver decided to call the police and accused Paul of threatening him with a gun.

The student swears that he never saw a gun at any time during the confrontation, but the police stopped them and Paul was arrested.

Paul’s resources are modest and he really needs the help of the 2A and human rights community.  You can help Paul by making a donation in any amount.
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Rob

SAF Gun Rights Policy Conference 2015- Video Segments

PSP crew

We live streamed the 2015 Gun Rights Policy Conference held in Phoenix, Arizona.  Here are the links to the video along with the scheduled program for each segment.

Segment 1- GRPC 2015
Saturday 8:00 a.m. CALL TO ORDER- Julianne Versnel
8:15 a.m. State of the Gun Rights Battle- Joseph Tartaro, Alan M. Gottlieb


8:45 a.m. Federal Affairs Briefing- Mark Barnes, Larry Pratt, Joe Waldron



9:15 am. State Legislative Affairs Briefing I- Stephen Aldstadt, Andreas Allen, Brent Carlton, Dave Kopp, Tony Montanarella, Richard Pearson, Alexander Roubian







10:00 a.m. State Legislative Affairs Overview- Trevor Santos

Break

10:30 a.m. State Legislative Affairs Briefing II- Sean Caranna, Jerry Henry, Genie Jennings, Philip Journey, Don Turner, Paul Valone, Philip Van Cleave
11:15 a.m. The Impact of 3D Printing on the Future of Gun Control- Alan Gura
11:30 a.m. The Global Gun Grabber’s “Alphabet Soup”- Rick Patterson, Julianne Versnel, Allen Youngman
Break
12:15 p.m. Awards Luncheon- Mark Walters, Kirk Evans, Alan Gura, Governor Jim Gilmore,
Break
2:00 p.m. Winning Firearms Freedom One Lawsuit at a Time- Paloma Capanna, Don Kilmer, David Sigale, Miko Tempski

GRPC Segment 1

GRPC Segment 1

Segment 2- GRPC 2015
Saturday 3:00 p.m. The Gun Rights Battle from a Media Perspective- AWR Hawkins, Kevin Michalowski, Mark Walters
Break
3:45 p.m. Heller & McDonald: How We Got There- David T. Hardy
4:00 p.m. Reversing School Disarmament- Jim Irvine
4:15 p.m. The Urban Initiative- Rashad Gray, Joe Tartaro
4:30 p.m. Facts vs. False Claims- John R. Lott
5:00 p.m. What’s Wrong with Obama’s Gun Control Medicine- John Edeen, Arthur Przebinda, Timothy Wheeler, Robert Young
5:30 p.m. Q & A on Saturday sessions
GRPC Segment 2

 

Segment 3- GRPC 2015
Sunday 9:00 a.m. Second Amendment Outliers: Blades, Suppressors and Hunting- Carrie Lightfoot, Todd Rathner, Doug Ritter
9:30 a.m. Using Media to Advance Gun Rights- Charles Heller, Don Irvine, John Richardson, Herb Stupp, Cheryl Todd, Dave Workman
10:00 a.m. Oddities: Language, Movies, Journalism and Guns- Alan Korwin, J. Neil Schulman
10:15 a.m. Outreach in a Brave New World- Andrew Gottlieb, Bryan Hartong, Philip Watson

10:45 a.m. State Coalition Building- Tom Bolioli, Gene Hoffman,
11:15 a.m. Gun Owners and the 2016 Elections- Alan Gottlieb, Jeff Knox
11:45 a.m. Q&A on morning panels
12:00 Noon Report of the Resolutions Committee
1:00 p.m. Closing remarks

GRPC Segment 3

Feel free to share the links.

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Rob

Episode 316 – John Pierce, Albert Almeida and Amber Kuneau

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/316.mp3

 

Open and Personal News Segment: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/316.1.output.mp3

News Segment 1: -Goosing the Gander, Learnin’ at Nevada’s Universities, Washington Cops Hurt by I-594: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/316.2.output.mp3

News Segment 2: Potential ammo ban and Brian Terry Memorial opens. http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/316.3.output.mp3

Interview Segment 1: Albert Almeida: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/316.4.output.mp3

Interview Segment 2: Amber Kuneau: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/316.5.output.mp3

Interview Segment 3: John Pierce: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/316.6.output.mp3

DGU Segment: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/316.7.output.mp3

Email and Show Close: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/316.8.output.mp3

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

John: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Wednesday, March 4th, 2015.  I’m John Richardson.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and today we talk with Albert Almeida about how New Jersey would rather you rent protection than provide your own.
Rob-  I’m Rob Morse and we’ll also talk with with Amber Kuneau about women as victims and as victors.
John: Attorney John Pierce will join us to talk about Virginia gun laws sitting on the governor’s desk.
Rachel: so climb aboard.
Rob, strap in
John and hang on!   Because episode 316 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rachel- I was the speaker for a TEA party club in Marble Falls last week. They had a great turnout – around 50 people wanting to be more active in politics. I had so much fun talking to them about how to direct change to achieve your goals. My premise is that change happens – we don’t have to hope for it. But we can respond with apathy, which means change just happens to us and we lose. Or we can take responsibility for directing that change for liberty.

I also taught a CHL class to 6 hardy individuals in Fredericksburg last Saturday. It was around 32 with freezing rain, but I have to admit, the range was beautiful. Everyone did great. I loved the discussion.

Rob- Dry practice a couple times.  I received approval for media credentials at the NRA convention.  Signed up for an IDPA competition Friday night.

John – I, too, received my media credentials for the NRA Annual Meeting. Other than that, nothing. Except of course my granddaughter Olivia who is gaining weight and doing well.

Break
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Seg 2- News
John-

-Goosing the Gander
Reversing a common technique of anti-gun orgs, a gun-rights attorney wants to see who’s giving money to defend an anti-rights effort.  Attorney Joshua Prince is curious to know who’s supporting Lancaster, Pennsylvania’s fight to keep an ordinance challenged by the National Rifle Association. The NRA is suing Lancaster, contending that the ordinance violates Pennsylvania’s preemption law. In 2009 Lancaster passed an ordinance requiring residents to tell police if a gun they own is lost or stolen within 72 hours of realizing it’s missing or face 90 days in jail.

The NRA claims the ordinance violates a state law that prohibits local governments from regulating the lawful ownership, possession, transfer or transportation of guns. Lancaster’s mayor has said that the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence in Washington, D.C., will provide free legal counsel if the city is sued. The Brady Bunch just may have welched on that promise. Replacing their unwise reliance on the Brady’s, the city’s defense fund has raised more than $16,000.

Prince was curious to see who has donated to support the city’s fight for its possibly illegal ordinance. He wants donor names, addresses and how much they’ve given, as well as contracts and communications with law firms related to the NRA’s suit and any other record relating to the current litigation. Prince acknowledged on his blog, that he’d like donors prosecuted, as they are conspiring with the city to violate state laws by contributing to the city’s defense. It could be very interesting to see who put their money where their mouthpiece is.

Could it be….. Bloomberg?

Learnin’ at Nevada’s Universities   
Some of Nevada state legislators are looking to… ahem… liberalize Nevada’s institutes of higher learning, at least in respect to legally concealed weapons on campus.

Republican legislators have introduced two bills that addresses guns in Nevada campuses. The first bill, AB 2, allows guns to be locked in vehicles.  The second, AB 148 allows concealed carry weapon (CCW) permit holders to carry their firearms on school property.. Hearings are set to take place on March 5.

UNLV is said to be a gun-free campus. However, it is an open campus, with the outside community having free access to the school. Naturally, the ills of the surrounding community can follow the student across the symbolic boundaries onto school grounds. Those ephemeral boundaries are very real in one aspect, they require the student to disarm in the face of reality. Students and faculty must cross an unsafe area unarmed because there can be no weapons at their destination. Even within the sanctuary of school property, there’s no real assurance: over the past three years, the university has endured a significant increase in sexual assaults.

We hope these two modest proposals are taken to heart. Simply stating the school is very safe does not guarantee the safety of a student. As reality has shown, allowing an individual to protect themselves is the best way — even in the unreal world of a college campus.

source http://www.unlvrebelyell.com/2015/03/01/campus-conceal-and-carry/

Washington Cops Hurt by I-594
Washington voters passed Initiative 594.  The voters believed what they were told.  Advertisements and a compliant media said the initiative would “close a gun show loophole>”  There isn’t, and never was a gun show loophole.  The voters probably didn’t know that I-594 was so broadly written that it could make criminals of all recreational shooters. The voters didn’t know that law enforcement officers themselves could not perform their duties without possibly becoming criminals themselves.

Washington State Rep Lynda Wilson contacted the state Attorney General.  Representative Wilson had received questions from the Clark County Sheriff Department. The department was concerned about I-594 and their ability to train legally. The Attorney General refused to provide an opinion on the law.  The Attorney General told the deputies to seek training outside the state.

Washington State law requires law enforcement officers to receive extensive training and certification in firearms use. This often requires an outside armorer to conduct trainings that involve multiple firearms.  No one knows if these transfers would require background checks. Some armorers cancelled their training courses in Washington state.  Now law enforcement agencies are being told to train out of state.  No one wants to be the test case for this miserable law.  The result is confusion and an obvious chilling effect on the rights of the citizens and LEOs.

Given this law was written for Bloomberg and by Bloomberg, the law’s confusion and uncertainty are not a bug — they’re a feature.

-There are two conflicting views of violence in our inner cities.  One view says guns are to blame for violence.  The other view says that fatherlessness, unemployment and drug gangs drive violent crime.  Fortunately, the rate of violent crime overall, and assault with a firearm in particular, have been falling for years.   Now there is an uptick in violence.. in a gun free zone.

The murder rate in New York City spiked 20% in the last two months.  There were 54 murders in the city.  That is an increase of nine from the same period a year ago.  Shootings have also climbed 20% , with 149 so far this year.  At least 19 of the slayings this year were the result of robberies, burglaries, gang warfare or drug dealing.  This year, seven drug-related murders involved marijuana dealers being robbed.

-New Jersey Assemblyman Sam Fiocchi authored a bill to exempt antique firearms from state gun laws.  New Jersey earned some well deserved criticism after they arrested 72 year old Gordon Van Gilder for having an incomplete and unloaded flintlock pistol in his car.  The antique was several hundred years old.

Assemblyman Fiocchi said “Many people collect vintage guns.  Some enjoy trading and selling while others are history buffs who attend national gun shows looking for another ‘treasure.’ Collectors and historians should not face prison for possessing or transporting such a firearm that poses no danger to public safety.”  The bill , A-4250, revises the definition of “antique firearm” to include handguns.

The charges against Van Gilder have been dropped, but the retired history teacher still has to pay his legal bills.  His go-fund-me page has collected 21 thousand dollars.  Unfortunately, he needs more.

BREAK??
Rachel- A few weeks ago Federal District Court Judge Reed O’Connor ruled that the federal regulatory ban on interstate transfer and sale of handguns is unconstitutional.  In layman’s terms, the judge said the decision wasn’t even close.  It appears the government got lazy and never presented convincing arguments to the judge.  Now the government asked for a stay on the judge’s decision.  The request for the stay was to make it easy for the government to adjust their judicial calendar.   The judge denied the government’s stay.  It is time for the government to lawyer up and file an appeal.. or to comply with the judges ruling.

-The ATF is trying to ban surplus 223 ammunition by reclassifying it as “armor-piercing” even though the bullet doesn’t come close to meeting the legal definition as required by law.  Some members of congress recognized that the attempt to ban M855 ammunition could be used to ban almost any rifle ammunition in every caliber.  Opponents of the ATF power grab won support from 40 percent of the House of Representatives, and from the Senate.

House Judiciary Committee Chairman Rep. Bob Goodlatte of Virginia collected the signatures of 238 House members in just two days on a letter questioning the ATF’s surprise proposal targeting the surplus ammunition.  In the Senate, Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Chuck Grassley of Iowa is spearheading a new drive to collect signatures from his chamber to stop the move.  This may stop the ATF from reclassifying ammunition.

-Border patrol agent Brian Terry was murdered on the job several years ago.  He was shot with a firearm that the united states government deliberately sold to criminals.  The department of justice operation that sold those guns was called operation Fast and Furious.  Brian’s family commemorated a statue to Brian Terry last weekend.  The statue show Brian carrying another border patrol agent on his shoulders.  It is a moving statue.  The mainstream media ignored the commemoration of the statue in Bisbee, Arizona.  Only fox news covered it.  No one from the Obama Administration was there for the ceremony.

One border patrol agent said this off the record.  “President Obama made certain to appear with illegal aliens, promising them that he would punish any immigration enforcement agents or officers who did not follow his anti-deportation policy, (the president) appeared indifferent to the deaths of law enforcement officers killed by illegal aliens or foreign gangs.”

Speaking personally, I’m sorry that Brian Terry was murdered in a political attempt to make gun owners look bad.  I’m sorry the news did not cover his memorial.  Thank you Officer Terry.

In late breaking news, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals said that the City of Sunnyvale could ban the possession of standard capacity magazines. They went on to say that the district court was right to apply intermediate scrutiny to this case. Note that the Sunnyvale ordinance bans the possession of magazines with greater than a 10-round capacity not merely the sale of them. There is no grandfathering of existing magazines under their ordinance. The judges said that Sunnyvale had an interest “in reducing the harm and lethality of gun injuries in general, and in particular as against law enforcement officers.”

Comment – Should we be surprised that all three judges were appointed by Bill Clinton?

This episode’s gun quote is from James Madison.  He said, “Liberty may be endangered by the abuse of liberty, but also by the abuse of power.”
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back to talk with our guests.

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Segment 3 Interviews

John Pierce at 5 pacific (cell), The law office of John Pierce Bristol VA.
Virginia Senate bill 948 to deny MD CCW info.
948 is waiting for the governor’s signature.
Another bill for rights restoration passed unanimously.
A chief LEO must sign NFA applications unless the individual is disqualified.

Albert Almeida at 5:30 pacific,  In New Jersey, you can rent protection, but not own it.
“I carry large amounts of cash, and people around there know that,” Almeida said. “The areas I enter are very high crime. I face that every single day.”
Almeida said his final straw — which served as the catalyst to apply for a carry permit — was when a tenant’s live-in boyfriend threatened to kill him.
state Superior Court in Newton, where he was once again denied for not having a “justifiable need.”
the state argued the dangers of Almeida’s job did not qualify as “justifiable need” because he had taken the job voluntarily and could choose a new career if he felt it was too dangerous.
They said your job is dangerous, but you could take a different job.. rather than protect yourself at the job you have.
That is like saying New Jersey is dangerous.. and if you think you need a gun for protection.. then leave.

Amber Kuneau at 6 pacific.  Welcome to PSP.
You live in Arizona.  You are a firearms instructor and amateur competitor.  You are also an author, and congratulations on your latest article in concealed carry magazine.
Amber is also a regular guest on the Armed American Radio show.  Amber, this is not live radio, so welcome to the fun of podcasting.
We talked about women who were armed, and women who were disarmed.  Could you tell us a little about that and about yourself.
Real stories of women.
Pappa Johns Pizza delivery driver was robbed and defended herself.
Dominos Pizza driver was robbed and raped.
Victim of domestic violence.
Women as victims and victors.
Shannon watts wants to disarm women.
Tell us about your training classes.
Women’s training classes.
Amber, where can our listeners follow you.

Segment 4 DGUs

The couple that robs together, stays together. That is until they are confronted by an armed homeowner. A married couple tried to break into a Baton Rouge, Louisiana home Tuesday morning. The husband, Jermoid Wheeler, 31, had a violent criminal history which included murder and was armed with a crowbar. The robbery began with the husband trying to break down the backdoor of the Baton Rouge home. The sound of Wheeler beating at the door woke up the homeowner – who grabbed a firearm and proceeded down the hall, where he could see someone was trying to break in. The homeowner said he ordered Wheeler several times to stop, but Wheeler ignored him, broke the door open and walked toward him with the crowbar. The homeowner fired a single shot, killing Wheeler at the scene. At that point, Wheeler’s wife, Deneatrice Cage-Wheeler, 36, reportedly ran into the home and grabbed the crowbar before running out. She was later arrested and booked into Parish Prison on counts of aggravated burglary, second-degree murder and theft of goods.

A group of burglars in the Atlanta area found out that just because no one answers the door it doesn’t mean easy pickings. Tuesday morning around 11:45am, several burglars kicked in the door of a south Fulton County house when no one answered the door. However, the homeowner was there and exchanged gunfire with the burglars. Neighbors say they heard 30-40 shots and then the burglars tried to drive off but crashed into a hedge. Police later found one of the burglars who had been wounded in nearby woods and took him to Grady Memorial Hospital where he is in serious condition.

-This next DGU should be a reminder on why we should stay aware when out in public. A group of diners had just left a restaurant in Milford, Connecticut and were headed to their car when they were accosted by two robbers – one of whom was armed. Rumone Richard, 23, essentially began the robbery by shooting one of the diners in the neck. Fortunately, one of the other diners was carrying concealed and shot him. The other robber ran away. The diner shot in the neck was treated and released while Richard remains in the hospital in serious condition. His bond has been set at $500,000 and he is charged with attempted murder, attempted robbery, conspiracy, firearms charges and assault.

-Early Monday morning, two men broke into a house in Harrison County, Kentucky. During a struggle in the bedroom with the armed homeowner, one of the home invaders was shot. After they fled, the wounded criminal was dropped off at a hospital in nearby Cynthiana where he later died. The Kentucky State Police are still looking for the other suspect and hope to identify him from security tapes at the hospital. None of the residents of the home were injured during the home invasion and there are no reports of charges being filed against the homeowner.

John- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

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Segment 5 Show close
Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
Concealed carry on campus.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

We spoke about NRA Board endorsements by Jeff Knox in the last episode. I compiled a list of endorsements for the Board from Jeff, from Col. Robert Brown at Soldier of Fortune, and others that I could find. If you are a Life Member of the NRA or an annual member with 5 or more years of continuous membership you are eligible to vote and should have received your ballot in the Feb. issue of American Rifleman or Hunter. From what I understand, there are about 500,000 eligible voters and only about 75,000 vote. This is worse than most off-year municipal elections! If you want to influence the direction of the NRA and are eligible to vote, then you darn well should vote!!!

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank John Pierc, Albert Almeida, and AMber Kuneau for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 315 – Grant Cunningham and Alex Kincaid

Full episode download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/315.mp3

Open and personal news segment: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/315.1.mp3

News Segment 1: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/315.2.mp3

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Grant Cunningham interview: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/315.4.mp3

Alex Kincaid interview: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/315.5.mp3

DGU segment: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/315.6.mp3

Email and Show Close segment: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/315.7.mp3

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Sunday, March first, 2015, I’m Paul Lathrop
John: I’m John Richardson and on tonights show we will talk with Grant Cunningham about SHOT Show and wheel guns..
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we’ll also talk with Alex Kincaid about gun rights and the Idaho legislature.
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and we have not one but two DGUs from Albuquerque.
Paul: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul:  Episode 315 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

We need to start off by welcoming a new person to the team! Charlie Foxtrot (you have heard him as a guest here before) came aboard and is helping us with research and writing up show notes.  You may at some point in the future hear him on the air from time to time, but he is going to be more concerned with getting our facts straight and making certain that we are set to go on Sunday when we hit the air.

Paul – Got home a little bit early on Saturday. I was expecting to get home sometime Saturday afternoon and actually got home about 10 am. I had an interesting friday. I had another truck take off my driver side mirror and had to limp home without being able to see what was going on out the drivers side of my truck behind my window. While parked Friday evening waiting for dispatch to find a way for me to get home I got a call that one of my boss’s other trucks was broke down about 30 miles south of me and could I please drop the trailer that I was pulling in a secure yard (it’s NOT easy to back without a driver’s side mirror) and then bobtail over and pick up the other driver and drive 200 miles back home. Left about 3:45 am and got it all done, but without any fun at all.  BTW the guy that I gave a ride back to the shop spent 3 ½ hours in the truck talking CONSTANTLY. He had been driving for 2 years and knew WAY more than my 13 years according to him.)

-Rob helped mentor a group of doctors and nurses.  Keep them safe.  Keep them interested, and let the silly things slide.  I got him past the tea cup grip.

John – I went to a gun show in Winston-Salem yesterday. Saw a lot of green-tip 5.56 ammo for sale at inflated prices. The other thing I noticed about this gun show was that the show goers were more diverse than at home in Asheville. I saw quite a number of African-Americans as well as some Asians. I take this as a good sign for the gun culture. As for me, I came home with a cap and a bunch of AR stripper clips.

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.

Break

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Seg 2- News

NRA’s Wayne LaPierre Speaks Up for Gun Rights at CPAC
The National Rifle Association’s CEO and Executive Vice President, Wayne LaPierre spoke before the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) this Friday.  In a rousing, well received speech,  LaPierre called the NRA “freedom’s safest place”, saying that the right to keep and bear arms and rights in general are all linked.

In the Breitbart report, LaPierre was also quick to call out “the liars” in media, who shy away from reporting the truth about guns in America.  Pronouncing anti-gun laws “a waste of time” and “nanny state social schemes,” LaPierre asserted that existing gun laws that protect the citizenry from criminals are not enforced. “Face the truth: individuals are in charge of our own security,” he insisted. Politicians can’t and won’t protect you; only “the ironclad safeguard of the Second Amendment to keep and bear arms can protect you.”

“Guns empower women,” LaPierre continued, pointing to the NRA’s Refuse to Be a Victim program, which teaches women how to protect themselves, with and without a firearm. “You don’t empower women leaving them defenseless, and you don’t strengthen a nation by taking its weapons,” he said.

LaPierre  concluded by calling for Congress to “pass right-to-carry reciprocity, and pass it today,” which received approval from the CPAC audience.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2015/02/27/nras-wayne-lapierre-speaks-up-for-gun-rights-at-cpac/
http://home.nra.org/pdf/waynelapierre_150227.pdf

Opposition to Obama Bullet Ban Developing Quickly
The Washington Examiner reports that the Obama administration’s attempt to ban a very common type of ammunition is rapidly garnering opposition. As of Friday, 172 Representatives (40%!) have already signed the letter questioning the logic and underlying reasons for the sudden revisions of the BATFE regulations. A similar effort is building within the Senate.

Legislative leaders are concerned that this is the administration’s backdoor attack on the popular AR-15 though a ban of the popular SS109/ M855 62gn 5.56 ammunition. The M855 has been in civilian hands for almost 40 years. It is a popular low cost plinking and target shooting round, with literally hundreds of millions bought for the Nation’s 9-10 million AR-15s. The proposed regulation change is a perversion of the letter and intent of the nation’s laws and a further extension of Obama’s “Pen and Phone” executive order negation of the Constitution..

It is imperative to stop this Obama adventure – Now! It will only get worse in the remaining  22 months of this rogue presidency. Comment on the BATFE proposed regulations. Call and write your legislatures. And put a little cash in the hands of the NRA, SAF, and other worthy gun-rights organizations; they’re doing absolutely critical work in defense of your rights!.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/blast-40-of-house-oppose-obamas-ar-15-bullet-ban/article/2560867

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/27/obama-to-ban-bullets-by-executive-action-threatens-top-selling-ar-15-rifle/?intcmp=latestnews

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150225/urge-your-representative-to-join-congressional-response-to-batfe-ammo-ban

John – comment – I wrote my representative urging him to sign the letter. As Patrick McHenry is the Chief Dep. Majority Whip, his signature might carry some weight. I would urge everyone to push their own representative to sign on to the letter.

John – Here is another good site to use to send a message. It gives you a choice of letters and will send a fax to both ATF and Congress.

-Judge Orders Harrisburg, PA to Stop Enforcing Three Gun Ordinances
A judge ruled that three Harrisburg Pennsylvania gun control ordinances were unconstitutional under state preemption law. Harrisburg had sought to prohibit gun possession in parks, during a state of emergency, or by minors. The judge ruled that city ordinances were stricter than Pennsylvanian law. The ruling is a positive step in the fight to eliminate illegal municipal firearms ordinances.

The judge’s rulings weren’t all good news for gun owners.  Two ordinances were left standing.  They restricted the discharge of firearms in city limits, and required prompt reporting of lost or stolen guns.

The Creepy Ballerina Must Continue to Dance

Despite an Obama visit and a campaign war chest more than 4 times that of all of his challengers, mayor Rahm (Dead Fish) Emanuel failed to poll a majority in the election and will face a runoff. The two-term Chicago mayor, Progressive strategist, political brawler, and virulent anti-gunner, will contest with leading challenger Jesus (Hay-zus) Garcia.

Chicago voters, at least the ones that are alive, are questioning Rahm’s performance as the mayor of the Nation’s third largest city. There is growing discontent in Chicagoland’s ‘hoods over his elitist administration, faltering economics, demographic shifts, failing schools and the increasing levels of violence within the city.

Rahm, who did not have a run-off in his first reelection, is said to be disappointed, angry and frustrated with having to devote energy and time to the additional campaign. Commentators are highlighting the dangers of a unified anti-Rahm effort backing Garcia. However, the few conservatives left in Chicago should not rejoice, as Garcia is described as being far to the left of Emanuel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rahm_Emanuel

http://news.yahoo.com/chicago-ready-decide-mayor-emanuels-election-fate-061030558–politics.html

http://news.yahoo.com/chicagos-mayor-emanuel-hopes-avoid-run-off-election-012010483.html

(mentioned Wednesday) Emily Gets Her Gun — Permit
Fox News TV reporter, best selling author, 2nd Amendment advocate, and cutest thing under 5 feet; Emily Miller has received preliminary approval for her Washington, DC Concealed Carry Permit. She still must complete an 18 hour course with a certified instructor before carrying within the Nation’s Capitol.

(Is the following new?)

Ms. Miller is the 15th person to be granted a CCW license out of 76 applicants. Thirty-six have already been denied or have withdrawn their applications. That means to-date, a disgraceful 70 percent of applicants have been prevented from receiving their CCW permits and been denied their 2nd Amendment Rights. Emily’s national visibility as a reporter most certainly influenced the highly politicized DC process. Miller originally applied for the CCW permit because of several credible death threats and was undoubtedly deserving of the permit. However, it’s likely that the rest of the applicants were also worthy. But, that’s life in the Capitol, one of America’s most dangerous cities.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emily_J._Miller
http://www.amazon.com/Emily-Gets-Her-Gun-Obama-ebook/dp/B00E257UK2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1425068288&sr=8-1&keywords=emily+miller

http://www.examiner.com/article/emily-gets-her-gun-permit-preliminary-approval-alert-on-hearing-olympia

http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/28192641/fox-5-emily-miller-gets-dc-gun-carry-permit-approved

Blame the victim in DC

-Owning a gun in DC is not like owning a gun in Frisco, Texas or Gilbert, Arizona.. two of the safest cities in America.  No.. we’re talking about about the district of columbia, a city that ranks with Baltimore and Detroit for violent crime.  We are two months into 2015, and already there have been 13 homicides and 23 instances of sexual abuse reported in DC.   There were 6 instances of sexual abuse and 9 armed robberies with a gun reported this week alone.  Assaults with a gun have increased by 31% compared to this time last year.  In total, there were 378 crimes reported this week including 61 violent crimes.

The police chief says that firearms in the hands of honest citizens are the problem.  She is wrong.  She has a bigoted prejudice against the right of self-defense.  An armed citizen is the solution.  You are hundreds of times more likely to be a victim of violent crime in DC than to be victimized by a concealed carry holder.

Handguns Should be Legalised and Licensed According to a UK Leader
From across the pond, courtesy of The Telegraph, comes an example of the worldwide desire for individual freedom.

In a major speech, Nigel Farage, leader of the UK Independence Party, stated that the United Kingdom’s 1997 ban on handguns was a kneejerk reaction and should be lifted. UK citizens had lost their rights in the wake of the previous year’s Dunblane school shooting.

Mr Farage described the ban on guns as ludicrous. He said that it was UKIP policy to create a proper handgun licensing policy allowing people who kept handguns responsibility locked up and were willing to get an official licence to be allowed them. Experts said his comments were “stupid” and would only encouraged an American-style idea that you and your home are only safe if you are armed. Well…. yeah.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ukip/10595087/Hand-guns-should-be-legalised-and-licensed-Nigel-Farage-has-said.html?fb

-NRA past president Marion Hammer wrote a rebuttal to a local editorial.  The Florida Sun-Sentinel criticized concealed carry on campus.  Hammer said the only thing to fear was the parade of college and university professors attempting to lobby the legislative committee without facts, without reason and without decorum. Quoting Hammer, “For a college professor to stand in the back of the room and scream at the committee chairman was not only inappropriate behavior; it was a chilling realization that those who refuse to engage in civil discourse are teaching impressionable students.”

Criticizing the committee Chairman Greg Evers for showing a map detailing the dozens of registered sex offenders who live in close proximity to the Florida State University campus shows yet another denial of reality. The Florida Department of Law Enforcement supplies those facts to help students and parents be aware of the dangers around campuses.

So-called “unified opposition from state universities” doesn’t make their position right, it merely reveals their willingness to march in collective unison, even when they’re denying reality.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/sfl-florida-guns-on-campus-20150227-story.html

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Segment 3 Interviews

-Grant (Kombucha Kid) Cunningham

-Alex@alexkincaid.com

Alex Kincaid of Alex Kincaid law.  Alex was a prosecutor.  She is a shooter.  She advises companies in the firearms industry.. and she has her own podcast.  Welcome Alex.

You live in Idaho.

Idaho has a reputation as being both conservative and pro gun.  The way I read it, the Idaho legislature has some unfair firearms rules.  Can’t the state legislators carry simply because they are office holders?

Do they have to go through all the background checks and take training classes like a citizen would if a citizen wanted to carry in the Capital chambers?

It sounds like the Idaho legislature granted themselves “constitutional carry”.  They can carry in prohibited places without having to get a concealed carry permit while they denied that right to Idaho citizens.

I heard the department of commerce representative from Idaho talk at SHOT show and tell everyone they are gun friendly.  Hmm.

Alex, who are your usual customers?

Tell our listeners where they can follow you.

https://www.facebook.com/AlexandriaCKincaid?fref=ts

https://www.facebook.com/IdahoSecondAmendmentAlliance/timeline

http://www.idahosaa.org/

http://www.alexkincaid.com/

Segment 4 DGUs

This week has seen a spate of home invasions.

Albuquerque, New Mexico Homeowner Shoots Knife Wielding Invader

In a quiet Southwest neighborhood, a homeowner was forced to defend his life Thursday morning. Awakened by a noise, the resident investigated, and was confronted in the kitchen by the knife-wielding intruder. The invader advanced, telling the homeowner that he was going to kill him. The owner shot, and the 28 year old criminal, with a history of breaking and entering, died at the hospital. Detectives found the back door had been forced open.

Police do not expect that charges will be filed against the homeowner.

http://www.abqjournal.com/546804/abqnewsseeker/police-investigating-ne-albuquerque-homicide.html

http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3718177.shtml?cat=500#.VO9osfnF_To

http://www.therepublic.com/view/story/c8ca84ff1f104817b3bbac3c0d5387b7/NM–Home-Invasion-Shooting

Also in Albuquerque, a retired Marine was the victim of a home invasion, gunshot, and vehicle theft. The unarmed Marine was unable to resist the 5-5 intruder who shot him in the leg and caused him to beg for his life.

The criminal escaped in the Marine’s truck. He is also suspected in another area home invasion where a woman was tied-up. The criminal remains at large.
http://www.koat.com/news/1-person-shot-in-home-invasion/25625564

71 Year Old Ohioan Defends Himself Against  a Break-in

A 71 year old retiree, known as a quiet, laid-back, nice guy, found himself in a fight for his life this afternoon after a man less than half his age kicked down his front door.

Fortunately, the homeowner was armed.  The resident called 911 and reported, “Some guy broke into my house, and I shot him.”  Police found the assailant’s remains on the home’s porch. The intruder was a drug addicted felon who had recently been released from prison after being convicted of burglary.  Despite the preponderance of evidence, Police say this case will be reviewed by the Grand Jury.

 

http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2015/02/27/Resident-of-North-Side-house-says-intruder-shot.html

Updated with the capture of the accomplice.  

A North Carolina Home Invasion Leaves One Dead and One in Jail

Two men kicked in the door of a Catawba County, North Carolina home: one is dead – we can now report the other is in jail.

 Late Monday night, a homeowner was awakened by a noise from the basement. He called 911 and then fortunately grabbed a shotgun. Fortunately, as he had to use the long gun in defense of his life when an intruder came toward him. The violent criminal was shot once in the chest and his accomplice ran off. The wounded robber, a felon on parole, died on the way to the hospital. His compatriot sped off and was later arrested at his home Thursday morning.

The father of the homeowner said his son had no choice. He related that his son was “tore up” by the incident. The Sheriff of Catawba County was supportive, saying that “You do have a right to protect your property when somebody breaks in the house on you. You don’t know if these people are coming in to steal your property or coming in to do harm to you and your family.” The homeowner is not expected to face charges. The accomplice will likely be charged with murder.

http://www.hickoryrecord.com/news/sheriff-identifies-deceased-home-invader/article_fd7cd8b4-bc3c-11e4-8ce5-2b3b30687a31.html

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/deputies-man-shoots-intruder-after-home-invasion/nkG8L/

Suspected burglar killed by homeowner in North Lauderdale, FL

A burglary suspect was shot and killed by a homeowner saying he was seeking to protect his family. The North Lauderdale man encountered a burglar in his backyard early Friday morning. The criminal was allegedly attempting to break into the owner’s home where his wife, her son, and granddaughter lived. The occupants of the home were unhurt

According to police, the suspect allegedly broke into the fenced-in backyard, burglarized a shed, and then attempted to break into the home. Awakened by the noise, the homeowner armed himself and went to the backyard to investigate. He found the burglar and fired, wounding him. The burglar later died at the hospital.

In a late development, the police investigation has been reopened, and the homeowner and the son re-questioned. At this time, the status of the investigation is not known.

http://www.local10.com/news/burglar-killed-in-north-lauderdale/31516546

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2015/02/27/police-homeowner-fatally-shoots-attempted-burglary-suspect/

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Listener e-mail discussion

Ken in Arizona emailed this one in:

With Star Trek in our thoughts this week, this quote is from Captain Picard (TNG: The Schizoid Man):
“No being is so important that he can usurp the rights of another.”
I will add, especially when those rights are enumerated in our Constitution.
Ken
Phoenix, AZ

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

I have an article on concealed carry on campus. A gun free campus disarms the delivery driver as effectively as the drunk freshman.  The post is up at ammoland and my blog.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I did a quick post on Friday about the hypocrisy of the head Demanding Mommy Shannon Watts. She is on a campaign against campus carry. Thanks to what her kids share on social media, I found that Mrs. Watts older daughter attends a university that has allowed concealed carry for a number of years without problems. I won’t give her daughter’s name or school as I don’t believe the sins of the parents should be visited upon the children. That said, Shannon Watts is the consummate hypocrite.

Paul – Before we go I want to talk about Net Neutrality.  I have a couple of points to bring up. #1, I have a challenge for our listeners. Besides actual defense of our borders (and even that in the last 20 years can be questioned) Name 1 thing that the federal government has become involved in that it hasn’t totally screwed up. And B I will fight tooth and nail should it ever come to the point where they want to regulate the internet so much that they demand “equal time” to bloggers and podcasters. Think that that’s never going to happen? Think of this. Compared to 20 years ago how much information do you get from blogs and podcasts vs “mainstream” media. (newspapers, television, and radio either through the regular channels or the online version.)

We here in the “new media” are becoming extremely influential. Perhaps not the Polite Society Podcast (yet) but all of us as a whole.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…

Rob: stay safe,

Gary: be aware,

John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 312 – Alexander Roubian, Richard Smith, Dean Weingarten, Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack

Full Episode Download: http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.mp3

Individual show segments

Segment 1:  Rob and Rachel open the show and talk about what has been happening with them since the last episode.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.1.mp3

Segment 2: News segment 1. Anti-Gun activists caught with guns where they shouldn’t have them. Interview with Dean Weingarten, are concealed permit holders really more law abiding than police?  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.2.mp3

Segment 3: News segment 2. Stepehen Josey gets an appeal. ATF says it doesn’t need to file the changes ban of popular rifle ammo to the federal register. Legislation to pass more restrictions in Vermont hits a snag. Texas Governor lists open carry as a priority. Campus carry issues. Gun Quote.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.3.mp3

Segment 4: Interview with Alexander Rubian, President of NJ2AS http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.4.mp3

Segment 5: Interview with Richard Smith of the Second Amendment Foundation Training Division.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.5.mp3

Segment 6: Interview with Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.6.mp3

Segment 7: DGUs and show close http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/312.7.mp3

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Wednesday, February 18th, 2015. I’m Rachel Malone.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and we’ll talk with Alexander Roubian of NJ2AS, and Richard Smith from the SAF training division, and Dean Weingarten from the Gun Watch blog.
Rachel-  and we’ll also talk with Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack of Second Amendment Women.
Rob- did I tell you about anti-gun celebrities being caught illegally carrying handguns?  We have that and a lot more,
Rachel- so climb aboard
Rob- strap in
Rachel- and hang on! Episode 312 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- lead in  This is the personal news segment of the polite society podcast.  John is off supervising the birth of a grandchild, so we have Rachel and I to hold down the podcast today.  Rachel, How is your gun world? Have you caught up on sleep after living in the Texas Senate building last week?

Rachel- I have caught up on sleep…just in time for the start of Jordan’s spring football. 😉 It’s all good. Nothing strictly with guns this past week…I need to change that…but if you can expand that to general preparedness, I do have news. Jordan and I are setting up a home gym and I found a bunch of great stuff off of Craigslist. Very excited about that.

As a follow-up to last week’s committee hearing – the witness list was posted today. I’ve been looking forward to perusing it and learning what I can. Here’s what we’ve found after a quick reading this afternoon:
77% of those “against” came from Austin, TX; 23% came from elsewhere.
21% of those “for” or “on” came from Austin, TX; 79% came from elsewhere.
78% of those “against” only dropped a registration card.
35% of those “for” or “on” only dropped a registration card.

Rob- The local city planning commission is using lame excuses to refuse a gun range the building permits it needs.  I spoke about it at a local political meeting and asked the audience to go to the planning commission meeting  that is happening right now.  They reminded me of the ATF.  The ATF said cheap 223 ammunition has no sporting purpose.  Scuse me?  What else are you going to do with cheap ammo but shoot it for sport?  The local planning commission said the range was not for recreation.  What they meant to say is we don’t like your kind around here.

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Seg 2- News

Rachel gives us the news

-David Malik is a leading civil rights attorney in Cleveland, Ohio.  He also doesn’t want you owning guns.  Mister Malik was arrested over the weekend at Cleveland Hopkins Airport.   Malik had a concealed handgun in his carry-on bag.  David Malik is the original attorney for the family of 12-year-old Tamir Rice who was slain by police in November.  Attorney Malik spent the night in jail after a .22 caliber handgun and a box of ammunition were discovered in his luggage by airport security.

It is common for anti-gun celebrities to carry firearms.  Dwayne Ferguson was a community activist and a vocal supporter of the New York SAFE act.. until he was arrested for illegally bringing a pistol onto school grounds in Buffalo, New York.

Illinois state senator Donne Trotter was charged with a felony for bringing a loaded handgun through the security checkpoint at O’Hare airport.  Democrat Trotter was running to replace Jesse Jackson Jr. in Congress at the time.  This happened before the courts brought concealed carry to Illinois.  Trotter routinely voted to kill concealed carry bills in the Illinois Senate.

More serious was the example set by California State Senator Leland Yee.  Senator Yee both proposed and supported strict gun control.. for California citizens.  That was before his arrest on political corruption, racketeering and gun trafficking charges.  Yee wanted to sell rocket propelled grenades to criminals.

Retired Chicago Alderman Richard Mell is the father-in-law of disgraced former governor and felon Rod Blagojevich.  Alderman Mell helped craft Chicago’s old ban on handguns.  Alderman Mell also used his political connections to rewrite the registration law and create an “amnesty” period after he’d neglected to do the paperwork needed to keep his firearms.

And the late Frank Melton, former mayor of Jackson, Miss., routinely violated “gun laws” .. the same laws he demanded everyone else to obey.

There is a troubling double standard in the case of Democrat Texas State Sen. Juan “Chuy” Hinojosa.  The senator brought his own gun into an airport security area.. and didn’t even have to stand for arraignment.

Rob- Michael Moore’s bodyguard was charged for carrying a gun in a gun free zone.  Last week, the Bloomberg group Moms demand action for gun safety hired armed bodyguards, and used the armed guards to push around unarmed civilians when they testified at the Texas capital.  There are rules for us, and special rules for gun-control spokesmen and politicians.

Rachel-You remember what firearms instructor Bob Main says.  “I carry a gun because I can’t carry a cop.”  Even if we could have a policeman at our shoulder, we might want to leave them at the police station.  We’ve all seen the social media posts about police using unnecessary force.  Partial data indicates that police are convicted of firearms violations much more often than concealed carry holders.  We don’t have the complete data across the US for concealed carry holders, but the data we have for Florida says that the police were over 20 times more likely to be charged with a firearms violation than civilians.

Rob- Some factors explain the high rate of violations by law enforcement.  Each policeman sees more violent incidents than the average civilian.  Also, a civilian will often bring charges against an officer if the officer misuses a gun.  The concealed carry holder knows who belongs in his living room in the middle of the night.. and the policeman doesn’t.

There are other factors that work against the concealed carry holder.  Each criminal on the street will assault many civilians before the criminal is finally arrested by a policeman.   Also, many  jurisdictions ignore behavior by police where that same behavior by a civilian would result in prosecution.

Rob- we have dean Dean Weingarten here to make sense of this subject. Gun Watch blog, and it has a lot of news.  “For the data that we have, police appear to be three times as likely to commit murder as a concealed carry permit holder.”  Dean interview.

Dean Weingarten, welcome.
How did you get interested in this subject.
I’ve been an instructor for 40 years.  My students are extraordinarily responsible.
How do concealed carry holders compare to law enforcement officers.
Who records when an officer is arrested?
Not the FBI.  The FBI doesn’t even collect the justifiable homicides.
Domestic violence by police is closely tracked.
Who did you compare.
What did you find.
Police are 1.4/100k vs Florida is a third of that number.
police 4-5 times more likely than CCW
CCW 9 times more law abiding than general public.
Gunwatch.com
Ammoland.com
news 2

Rachel- Frequent listeners should remember hearing the young man from New Jersey.  Steffon Josey asked for an appeal, and an appeal was granted.  He and Evan Nappen will be in court soon!   They will have a date will be released in a few days. This poor kid needs some cash to earn his freedom.  Please donate to his go-fund-me account.  Throw in something even if it is only $5.

-The ATF claimed it does not need to publish its new rules in the Federal Register as it re-interprets the meaning of “armor piercing ammunition to outlaw surplus 223 ammo.  The ATF claims the reinterpretation is exempt from the Federal Administrative Procedures Act.  President Obama claimed the same thing when he re-wrote immigration law with his phone and his pen.

-Legislation to require more background checks on gun sales in Vermont has hit a major snag. Anti-rights advocates lobbied lawmakers to require background checks for sales of firearms at gun shows and over the internet. The legislation even made it into committee.  Senator Dick Sears of Bennington is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee.  Senator Sears said quote “I don’t believe the background check portion of the bill has the votes to pass out of –committee.” close quote.  Most legislators do their homework and count votes before they propose legislation.

Moms Demand Action has been caught lying…again. Only this time, the untruth occurred in a committee hearing of the Texas Senate. Kelly Burke is the president of the Texas MDA chapter. While testifying against the open carry and campus carry bills last week, Ms. Burke claimed, (quote) “we do not know, about how, quote, responsible CHL holders are, because that data set is not available and is completely locked down. Any statements about how, quote, responsible and law-abiding CHL holders are is completely anecdotal and therefore conjecture.” (close quote) If she’d only searched Google, she could have easily found this data. It’s public record and is made available by the TXDPS.

-Texas open carry activists were rewarded again this week for their diligent efforts. Texas Governor Greg Abbott delivered a “state of the state” address Tuesday morning in which he laid out his top priorities for the state. Open carry made the cut. Abbott stated, (quote) “Let me briefly follow up on a word I mentioned a moment ago — liberty. In a single word, it encapsulates what this country stands for, what Texas symbolizes. I will expand liberty in Texas by signing a law that makes Texas the 45th state to allow open carry.” (close quote)

-Here are two conflicting ideas.  Some studies report high rates of sexual assault.   Women’s advocates say women are at great risk on college campuses.  Contrast that claim with the fact that many college administrators want to deny women the right to carry concealed on campus.  These administrators ignore that concealed carry holders are usually 21 years of age or older.  Concealed carry holders already have a license to carry across the state, but must disarm on campus.  In this age of diversity, the student body is more diverse than ever.  We already have returning veterans and delayed entry students on campus.  College students are not the drunken idiots shown in animal house.  They never were.  Students make adult decisions without parental supervision.  Lawmakers in 10 states are pushing bills that would permit the carrying of firearms on campus.  They hope the national spotlight on sexual assault will help them win passage of their measures.  Quote “If you’ve got a person that’s raped because you wouldn’t let them carry a firearm to defend themselves, I think you’re responsible,” State Representative Dennis K. Baxley of Florida said during debate in a House subcommittee last month. The bill passed out of committee.

Bills that would allow guns on campus have been introduced in Indiana, Montana, Oklahoma, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas,  Florida and Nevada and Wyoming.

Rob-  I have the gun quote today, and this is one might surprise you.  “Fighting corruption is not just good governance. It’s self-defense. It’s patriotism.”  That was from vice president Joe Biden.  I wonder if he meant the New York SAFE act and San Antonio knife laws when he talked about government corruption.  Hang on everybody we have our interview segment next.

Interviews-

New Jersey Second Amendment Society- Alexander Roubian
You’ve had meetings up and down new Jersey- how were they attended?
Do you have accounts set up for the next gun owner attacked by NJ gun laws?
Christie said he doesn’t want to meet with NJ2AS.
Carry outside the home.
Clarify self-defense as justifiable need.
Stop local jurisdictions from adding additional requirement to apply for
Clarify reasonable deviation so we can go to the bathroom.

Second Amendment Women- Sandi and Shari

Your club.
Women’s education
Training and competition
Kids safety/firearms in the home.
Kids day at the range.
What do you have planned?
How can people reach you?  http://sawshootingclub.com/

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SAF training division- Richard Smith
Why a separate training organization from NRA or US CCA?
What is the focus of the training? Self-defense. (not hunting or sporting uses)
What do you offer the prospective instructor?
Tom Givins director of training
Attend instructor seminars.
Continuing education requirements.
What do you offer the prospective student?
http://www.saftd.org/
https://www.facebook.com/saftdusa
What is your timeline?
First course at the end of march.
Develop new courses for the next year and a half.  Testing curriculum.
Where do people find you?

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Segment 4 DGUs

Rob- A man’s dog woke him up just at sunrise in Edmond Oklahoma.  Then the 46 year old homeowner heard someone beating on his front door.  The masked intruder smashed his way in carrying a baseball bat.  He hit the homeowner in the hand.  The homeowner ran to his kitchen and grabbed his handgun.  He shot the intruder in the face, neck and arm.  The intruder then ran across the street to his girlfriend’s apartment. She called 911, to get him medical attention.  The burglar is expected to survive.

The intruder was the homeowners former step-son.  The step-son is charged with first-degree burglary and assault with a dangerous weapon.

Rachel- Does a woman home alone stand a chance against four home intruders? She does if she has a gun. An Alabama woman refused entrance to a group of four who knocked on her door and asked to use her phone Monday afternoon. They left, but returned later that night. They forced their way inside. The homeowner pulled out her gun and fired. One invader, Richard Taylor, died of multiple gunshot wounds. The three accomplices survived, but are now being charged with Taylor’s murder. The homeowner is not expected to face charges.

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Listener e-mail discussion
Rob This note came from Ken in Arizona.  He said
This quote from Mahatma Gandhi struck me as one that’s appropriate for our gun rights.  Quote “First they ignore you. Then, they laugh at you. Then, they fight you. Then, you win.”  Close quote
Ken continues- They are currently fighting us with everything they have. We are only one step away from winning!

Thanks Ken.

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Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank our guests for joining us. We talked with Alexander Rubian from the New Jersey Second amendment society, Richard Smith from the SAF training division, Dean Weingarten from the Gun Watch blog, and Sandra Muldoon and Shari Spivack of Second Amendment Women. Rob, will you be with us this weekend? I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 310 – Steffon Lamont Josey, Tatiana Whitlock, and Laura Carno

Each of our segments can now be downloaded and shared individually!

Personal news segment. The hosts talk about what is going on with them. http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.1.mp3 

News segment 1. An Antioch, California pizza delivery driver is raped and robbed. More on Washington DC’s lack of issuing permits. Part of the 1968 Gun Control Act is struck down, and a New Jersey teenager is murdered shortly after filming an anti violence video. http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.2.mp3

Interview segment with  Steffon Lamont Joseyhttp://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.3.mp3

News Segment 2, a Texas homeowner isn’t charged after a no knock raid results in the death of an officer.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.4.mp3

Interview Segment 2 Tatiana Whitlock on kids and guns. http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.5.mp3

Rachel and Paul talk Texas senate gun bills.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.6.mp3

News segment 3. Laura Carno discusses developments in Colorado, pro gun bills die in New York, mayors are leaving Mayors Against Illegal Guns, women in Florida are getting carry permits, and a bill in California would make it a crime to mis-report someone on the new mental health restraining order law.  http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.7.mp3

DGU segment. http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.8.mp3

Email and show close segment. http://traffic.libsyn.com/politicsandguns/310.8.mp3

Introduction

John: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition. We’re recording on Wednesday, February 11th, 2015.  I’m John Richardson.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and I’ll interview Tatiana Whitlock about her new video called Kids and Guns.
John: I’ll interview Steffon Josey-Davis on his prosecution for having a gun in New Jersey.
Rob: We have a remote interview from Rachel Malone as she reports on campus carry, open carry, and constitutional carry in the Texas Senate.
John: and we also have some comments from Laura Carno telling us about the rally for self-defense in Denver..
Laura- comments?  Comments!?  I can speak from myself, John.  I’m Laura Carno of “I am created equal”, and I’ll tell you all about firearms legislation in Colorado.  We also have our weekly self-defense news and stories of defensive gun use,
so climb aboard.
Rob: strap in
John: and hang on! Because episode 310 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition. Rachel Malone is usually with us for the midweek show.  This week she is busy wrangling the Texas senate.  She promised us a report.

We have Laura Carno back with us.  You know Laura from her from I Am Created Equal.com from LauraCarno.com, from hearing her on radio interviews and watching her youtube channel.  You might also have seen her 30 foot tall picture on banners at the NRA convention.  Laura, welcome, back to the polite society podcast.  What’s new in your gun world?

Laura’s gun news- I was in denver covering gun legislation.  We’ll talk about that in the news.  I spoke on many radio stations about the progress of gun legislation in CO and some other non-gun topics. Always something to pay attention to here in CO.
Rob- I missed the show last Sunday because I had a private tour at a fantastic firearms museum.  I held a sword owned by President George Washington and an Austrian air rifle of the kind carried by Lewis and Clark.
Back to the here and now, I shot IDPA at a new range.  This was the first time this range invited an IDPA competition under their roof.  Have you noticed that some indoor ranges have dark areas?  A close target might be brightly lit, and a distant target might be well lit, but there are some dark bands in between.  We used those dark bands on the range to create low light stages.  That was great training.   It took us 3 hours to shoot the six stages, but each stage is over in seconds.  I was under 9 seconds for the el Presidente stage.  One stage had 9 shots on three targets in 4.7 seconds.  That is an average performance, neither fast nor slow.
I also spoke before San Diego Board of Supervisors.  The Republican county chairman used part of my speech when he had his county meeting.  A friend and I are rooming together at Nashville for the NRA convention.  How about you, John?
John- I have been dry-firing my new Ruger LC9s Pro. It really has a nice trigger for a production gun. I’m still waiting on my Kydex holster to arrive. I will need to order some additional magazines to go with it and I think I want a green fiber optic front sight. Old eyes, you know. Other than that, we are still on grandbaby watch. Olivia Grace should arrive within the next two weeks.

Rob- that wraps up the personal news segment and we’ll be back with the news after this break.
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Seg 2- News

1Laura- Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition. You know the dangers of gun-free zones.  In this case, a domino’s pizza driver delivered to a house in Antioch, California.  After she made the delivery, the 22 year old female delivery driver was held at gunpoint by a 17 year old male and forced back into her car.  She was forced to drive to another location where she was raped and robbed.  Police have the suspect in custody.

Antioch, California is in Contra Costa county.  Contra Costa County Sheriff David Livingston has a “may issue” attitude towards concealed carry licenses.  That means the sheriff would usually deny the delivery driver her request for a permit.  She would be denied a permit even though being a delivery driver is the 8th most dangerous profession in America.  Domino’s also has a no-guns policy.

The Sheriff failed to protect her, and the company failed to protect her.  Both the sheriff and Dominos also denied her the opportunity to protect herself.

Comment- I know lots of people who took a delivery job when they were in school or as a second job.  Now we’re telling them that delivery jobs are only for men?
Comment- That is a war on women.
Comment-  We have marches called “take back the night” where we protest for women’s safety.  Where are the protests against the sheriff and the employer who disarmed this young driver.
Comment- Sure we have the right of self-defense here in California.. in theory, but not in practice.

2Laura- “In theory, but not in practice” is a good description of your concealed carry rights in Washington, DC.  Only a fraction of one percent of DC citizens can receive a license to carry concealed.  That is why the Second Amendment Foundation brought their latest lawsuit.  SAF president Alan Gottlieb said he could only find evidence of eight permits being issued by the District of Columbia. The overwhelming majority of applicants are denied for no reason other than that the district did not want to issue them a permit.

Gottlieb said quote “The city’s requirements to obtain a carry permit are so restrictive as to be prohibitive to virtually all applicants. It’s.. a ‘Catch 22,’ in which you can apply all day long, but no reason is sufficiently good enough for (DC Police) Chief Lanier to issue a permit.  The city has set the bar so high that it relegates a fundamental civil right to the status of a heavily-regulated government privilege.”  Close quote.

That is morally wrong and probably illegal.  A federal judge said the previous ban on carrying handguns in DC was illegal, and DC has effectively perpetuated that same ban.

Comment- Now we have two reasons to call Miko Tempski
Comment- Two reasons?
Comment- Miko is the chief legal counsel at the Second Amendment Foundation, and he is also the spokesman for their training division.

3- This news was sent in by listener Chris Gillespie.  A Federal Court in Texas just invalidated part of the Gun Control Act of 1968 on Second Amendment grounds. Judge Reed O’Connor said that the prohibition against interstate sale of handguns where the purchaser both buys and receives his or her handgun in a non-resident state is unconstitutional. Moreover, the judge applied strict scrutiny and said the law would fail even if he had applied intermediate scrutiny. The judge said that with the NICS system in place there is no reason handgun sales should be banned when long gun sales are permitted. This is another great win for Alan Gura. Incidentally, the lead plaintiff, Rick Mance, is a fellow gun blogger who blogs at Traction Control.

4-New Jersey is a dangerous place.  A teenager from Newark was shot dead only months after participating in an anti-violence video. Three towns in New Jersey are in the 100 most dangerous cities in America   In fact, two New Jersey towns are in the top ten among cities with a population of 25,000 people or more.  The list compares cities for their combined rate of murder, rape, aggravated assault and armed robbery.  New Jersey is number one!  Camden was at the top of the list as the most dangerous city.  You remember Camden.. where honest citizens are disarmed by law, and you have a 1-in-39 chance of becoming a victim of a violent crime each year.  Atlantic City wasn’t far behind at number 8.  Bridgeton, New Jersey is #25 on the list.

Rob- comment- I’ve had gun control advocates tell me gun control works.. like it works in New Jersey, New York City and Oakland, California.  I’m not convinced.

John- Not only will criminals make you a victim in New Jersey, but so will the police.  Interview with Steffon Josey-Davis.

We have Steffon Josey-Davis with us tonight. He is a young man who had planned to go into law enforcement, worked as an armed car driver, legally owned a S&W pistol, and was even on the candidate’s list for the North Brunswick Police Department. However, due to the quirks of New Jersey’s gun laws, he is now a felon.

Steffon, could you take up the story from here and tell us what happened to change everything?

When you took the deal from the Middlesex prosecutor’s office, was it because of the alternative?
Could you have realistically fought the charges?
What now? I understand you have a plea into Gov. Christie’s office asking for a pardon. What is the status of that?
Mention his go fund me site to close.

http://www.gofundme.com/Pardonsteffonjosey

skip 5-Interview with Tatiana Whitlock

We have anti-rights lobbyists claim there is an epidemic of child injuries from firearms. We know that isn’t true once we study the numbers, but you and I remember each tragic headline.  That is why I’m so glad to see a new video called “Kids and Guns” by Tatiana Whitlock.  We are lucky to have Tatiana join us today.  She both wrote and acted in the video by Panteao Productions.  Congratulations on your new video, Tatiana.

29 minutes is a lot of content.

I think of you as a competitive and self-defense shooter.  What pulled you to make Kids and Guns?
You asked firearms owners to lead their family by teaching their children about firearms.  I watched your video several times and you both kept it simple, and covered a lot of information.  A new gun owner would probably have to really study your video, or take a course so they know gun safety.
Gun safety.
Regulations.
Physical security- If you children can unlock your phone, then they can probably unlock your safe.
When did you start to gun proof your children?  How did you blunt your child’s curiosity?
Desensitized by dirty guns.
I liked the way you ask your child to be responsible outside your home, and that the adults have to provide an environment safe for visiting children as well.
Eddie Eagle.
You mentioned video violence.  What sensitized YOU to the subject of video violence?
Line of communication and living by their own judgment.
Your child’s interests may exceed your own ability to teach!  Be intentional as you interview a firearms teacher for your family.
You suggested that toy guns should NOT imitate real firearms.  You also suggest that our real guns should not imitate toys.
Tell your older children what you expect them to do when they see firearms outside the home.
Mood altering drugs!  You gave parents permission to lock up the guns or remove the firearms from the home.
Gun ownership is family business and not for public knowledge.
Tatiana, where can our listeners follow you?
http://tatianawhitlock.com/
Facebook
Wide open spaces.com
recoilweb.com

6-You won’t find news like this every day, and almost never from Texas.  Texas Police conducted a raid based on information from a drug informant.  The informant said the suspect was running a drug operation and had illegal weapons.  The homeowner shot at the police as they broke into his mobile home during the no-knock raid.  The homeowner surrendered once the police identified themselves.  He had no illegal weapons.  He had four marijuana plants smaller than 6 inches tall.  One policeman died in the raid after being shot by the homeowner.  The grand jury refused to charge the homeowner.

What is unusual is that the homeowner wasn’t murdered by the police during the raid.  Police are routinely using gun ownership as an excuse as they seek no-knock warrants.  You could be the victim of a violent no-knock raid because you were swatted and own firearms.  The police then use any legal infraction they can find to justify the raid and avoid being sued for their violent actions.

John 7- There are many gun bills being filed across the United States since state governments are back in session.  Our Rachel Malone is fighting for human rights in Texas.  Her site is Texas Firearms Freedom.  Rachel, tell us what’s happening in the Texas Senate.

………….

8 Laura –  Enough about Texas.  I’ve been sitting here waiting to tell you what happened when I was in Denver Colorado.
We have a republican senate and a democrat house.  We also have pro gun democrats!
Touch on divided legislature, and how that means nothing will likely pass.
Good news is magazine limitation repeal bill is bi-partisan.
CO has pro-gun democrats.
Tie to recall and 2013 gun legislation.  – no new gun control bills
https://www.nraila.org/articles/20150203/colorado-a-long-day-in-denver-sees-mixed-results-for-gun-owners
http://gazette.com/gun-bills-pass-fail-colorado-legislature-committees-as-expected/article/1545653

D controlled house – mag limit repeal – killed
D controlled house – repeal background check –  killed
D controlled house – CBI produce certificates for transferees –  killed
D controlled house – Concealed handgun without permit –  killed
D controlled house – no liability for biz owners when someone conceal carries – killed
D controlled house – No background check for CCW holders on subsequent purchases – not scheduled yet
D controlled house – Concealed carry in schools (run by rep who is former Columbine student) – not scheduled yet
R controlled senate – Constitutional carry – passed senate, on to the house to die
R controlled senate – repeal background check – passed senate, on to the house to die
R controlled senate – mag limit repeal – to be scheduled – 4 D co-sponsors

people at the rally
https://www.facebook.com/events/325690874202170/
http://archive.9news.com/news/local/article/315750/346/Pro-gun-rally-continues-outside-state-Capitol

Comments- One of the anit-rights protesters said “No one will die from a background check”  Really?  Tell that to the nurse who couldn’t get her firearm back from the police.  Tell that to the police who don’t know how to interpret the law and have called the background check law unenforceable.  We won’t know how many people were hurt because they could not get firearms safety training BECAUSE of the background check law.

Rob- This is from the new york times.  Dickey Lee Hullinghorst, the Democratic House speaker vowed to quickly defeat pro-gun legislation, quote  “Absolutely no chance of passage. This is one of the controversial issues where we’re never going to agree.”  Was the speaker misquoted? Sounds like she wants to keep colorado citizens disarmed.

John 9 – Katie Pavlich added up the numbers.  Nearly 50 mayors have left Billionaire Bloomberg’s group Mayors against illegal guns in the last year.  Since so many of these mayors have been prosecuted for corruption, we’re not sure if Katie’s statistics include voluntary withdraws or if she also include withdrawals due to incarceration.  With that uncertainty, Mayor John Tkazyik of Poughkeepsie, New York is left the Bloomberg group recently.  Tkazyik explained in detail that Bloomberg’s anti-gun organization isn’t about enforcing gun laws, but instead about promoting gun confiscation.  Quote “MAIG became a vehicle for Bloomberg to promote his personal gun-control agenda — violating the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens and taking resources away from initiatives that could actually work to protect our neighborhoods and save precious lives.  It did not take long to realize that MAIG’s agenda was much more than ridding felons of illegal guns; that under the guise of helping mayors facing a crime and drug epidemic, MAIG intended to promote confiscation of guns from law-abiding citizens. I don’t believe, never have believed and never will believe that public safety is enhanced by encroaching on our right to bear arms, and I will not be a part of any organization that does.”

10-This is more good news, and it is also good to see where it came from.  Twenty-two percent of the concealed carry permits in Florida are held by women and the total number of permits has grown rapidly. Personal gun ownership by women has increased by nearly 80-percent in the last 9 years.  The firearms industry changed for women, from providing smaller firearms, different grips, and different classes tailored to female shooters.  The number of women at gun ranges jumped 60-percent  in the last three years.  The number of women in the State of Florida that have concealed permit has increased six fold in the last ten years.

That story was picked up by the NBC affiliate in Fort Myers, Florida

Comment- The people in Florida are the same as people anywhere else in the US.  Their behavior is different because the laws are different.  The growth in firearms ownership and personal protection we see in Florida tells us what to expect across the US once we remove government interference on the right of self-defense.  Now that scares the gun-grabbers.

11- I added this one as a spark of good news from California.  California has a law allowing mental health restraining orders.  These orders from a judge allow the state to seize a person’s firearms for up to a year.  Assemblymember Melissa Melendez, R-Lake Elsinore, is concerned that the existing law is open to abuse.  She said, Quote “Law abiding gun owners should never have to fear their rights can be stripped away because an angry ex or an angry neighbor wants to get even,” close quote.  Melendez wants to amend the law and make it a felony to file false reports while seeking gun violence restraining orders.

Rob- I messaged assemblywoman Melendez asking if she wanted to come on the show.  I also asked my state representative to support her bill.

Gun Quotes– If the average person is too irresponsible to trust with freedom, then how can we ever trust politicians with power?  Facebook.
Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.
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Segment 4 DGUs
Rob 1-Joseph Toombs is a young National Guardsman in Atlanta. As he sat in the drive-thru lane at his local Sonic restaurant, 19 y.o. Kenneth Brayboy and two others approached on foot and tried to rob him. One of them was armed with a handgun. It was then that Toombs drew his own handgun and shot Brayboy who later died at the hospital. Desmond McKnight. 17, has been charged with murder, attempted armed robbery, and tampering with evidence. Police are still looking for the third robber as well as the suspects’ gun. Toombs, who cooperated with police, will not be charged. Sonic is one of those restaurant chains that kowtowed to demands from Shannon Watts and Everytown. They had asked patrons not to come armed to their restaurants.

2-Christopher Ray Foster tried to force his way into the wrong home on Tuesday morning. He paid for it with his life. A rural Van Zandt County, Texas woman called 9-1-1 at 4:30am to report she had just shot a man trying to force his way into her home. The Sheriff’s Office determined that Foster was shot when he tried to break in through a side door. Materials found on his body tied him to a recent arson. In addition, Foster was out on bail for failing to register as a sex offender. The homeowner was not charged but, as is standard procedure, the case is being sent to the DA’s office.

Comment – I like what the local Sheriff said: “Presently, as the result of underfunding and inadequate staffing at the Van Zandt County Sheriff’s Office, homeowners need to take appropriate precautions to protect their families. I will continue to support the law abiding citizens of our community when they are forced to take actions to protect their lives, liberty and property.”

3-Riverside County Sheriff’s deputies were called to Bermuda Dunes early Saturday morning with reports of a prowler. While there, they got another call from a woman saying that her husband had just shot an intruder. They found the intruder inside the home suffering from two gun shot wounds. He was taken to the hospital where he later died. His name was not released pending notification of next of kin. The homeowner was not charged with any crime.

4-A home invasion in Madison County, Alabama turned deadly Monday night. Four people forced their way into a home there. The homeowner was armed and defended himself. When deputies arrived in response to a “shots fired” call, they found one of the intruders, Richard Taylor, dead. This was the second time that day deputies were called to the home on a burglary call. The homeowner will not be charged but the three other home invaders have been captured and are charged. They face charges of murder, robbery, and burglary.

Here we have a homeowner facing four attackers.  That is an argument for high capacity magazines.
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Segment 5 Show close
Laura- Welcome back to he ….This is our e-mail discussion segment.

Marty Krutolow asked for our comments on an article originally published in Slate magazine.  The article looks at data from the National Institute of Health.  It claims that more guns lead to more crime.

Marty, I’d counter with these data from Dr. John Lott.  It shows you the data of homicide rate versus the rate of gun ownership.  We lead in gun ownership.  We are average in homicide rate.

gun ownership rate versus murder rate

gun ownership rate versus murder rate

For your amusement, commentator Bill Whittle produced an interesting video on guns and violence.  It is called “Number One with a Bullet”.  We are 111th when countries are ranked by murder rate.  If you remove the leading Democrat controlled anti gun cities, then our US murder drops dramatically.  If the US had the murder rate of “gun nut” gun owning cities like Plano, Texas, then we’d rank 211th out of the 214 nations ranked.  Heavily armed Plano, Texas has a murder rate that is half of the rate in Germany.  So how do guns cause crime and murder?

Drug gangs, fatherlessness and poverty cause violence and murder.  Polticians ignore that fact because it is easier for a politician to blame guns than blame his policies.

Marty calls himself a gun owning liberal, and I say  welcome Marty, and thank you for listening.  We want to talk to everyone, and we know our listeners are not responsible for how their politicians vote.  In fact, it is the gun owning liberals who have to turn their politicians around.  Marty lives in New York State.

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Laura- Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob- I wrote that some rights are more equal than others.  Suppose we violated the right of free speech the way we violate the right of self-defense.  Laura, did they pass a ten word limit when you speak in Colorado?  Did they limit the size and power of a public address system?  When they imposed those limits on speech, did they explain that the government gets to speak as loudly as it wants to.  That is what we’ve done to the right of self-defense.

These infringements on your rights, and the politicians call them regulations rather than infringements, are necessary to protect the public.. or that is what the politicans say.

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Laura Carno, Tatiana Whitlock and Steffon Josey for joining us today.  Rob, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Laura: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 308

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Paul: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Superbowl Sunday February 1st 2014 , I’m Paul Lathrop
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll talk about one of Bloomberg’s anti-gun groups messing up again, and this time it could land them in court.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk about the possible end of Operation Choke Point
Rob: I’m Rob Morse and in one of our DGU’s a 74 year old successfully defends himself against a home invader
Gary D: I’m Gary Daugherty and we also have a lot of listener email to cover.
Rachel: so climb aboard
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!
Paul:  Episode 308 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.
Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rob- I cut my hand.  I couldn’t type, or go to the range or dry practice.  I’ve been talking about us so much that I ran out of podcast business cards.
John – The only thing shooting related is that I used a discount coupon that I picked up at SHOT to get a high quality trigger from ALG Defense at 30% off. Other than that, it was back to the routine of work and teaching.
Paul – Trip home from Shot Show, visiting grandkids, trying to outrun Snowmageddon, possible changes to show.
Rachel- I’ve been a musician for the past few days. Just dreaming of range time and listening in on the rodeo at the Capitol.

(Weekend shows only) I am going to insert a live promo about upcoming training classes in Sioux Falls here.
May 16th and 17th Bob Mayne and Ben Branham BCC (handgun world dot com)
Aug 1 and 2 Ken Kowalski, Jon Hodoway and Chaz Murray Citizen First Response (Nighthawk Custom Training dot com)
Aug 15th and 16th Kathy Jackson (Susan at politics and guns dot com)

Break
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Seg 2- News

Paul-John Edeen posted on the website Doctors for Responsible Gun Ownership.  His article is called A tale of two cities.  On this podcast we have reported when doctors defended themselves.  John reminds us of when they could not defend themselves.  Quote ”We should not have to run afoul of the law or hospital policy to be able to defend ourselves in our workplaces.”  Medical professionals can follow these pro-rights doctors at www.drgo.us

Paul-Former mayor of New York Michael (guns protect me but not thee) Bloomberg’s Everytown group had to do quite a bit of backpedaling and may be in line for a lawsuit in the near future. Last week they put out a study that stated …

In its latest report, titled “Hiding in Plain Sight,” Everytown monitored guns for sale on three primary websites and in a sting-like move posted 24 guns for sale on a popular arms website between July 28 and Oct. 9.

Some 169 potential buyers responded. Investigators hired by the group checked criminal backgrounds and found that seven of the 169 were prohibited by law from possessing firearms.

By extrapolating the data, “gun sales transacted on just three websites put an estimated 126 guns into the hands of felons and domestic abusers in Vermont — and likely many more — in this year alone,” the report concluded.

The only problem is that AT LEAST 6 of those 24 advertised guns were from a single FFL in Mount Holly Vermont. Not only did Bloomies group pretty much just make things up to fit their story they now may face a lawsuit from the owner of Crossfire Arms, who has hired a lawyer to explore his options.

Paul- We’ve reported on Operation Choke Point in the past. It was an effort by the Justice Department in conjunction with the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation to label gun stores, among other businesses, as “suspect” and “risky”. This past Wednesday the FDIC back off and reversed their stance. They said that banks should assess risk on a case-by-case basis. The FDIC said banks shouldn’t decline “to provide banking services to entire categories of customers without regard to the risks presented by an individual customer or the financial institution’s ability to manage the risk.” Rep. Blaine Luetkemeyer, a Republican from Missouri, had introduced legislation to outlaw the practice. In a statement he released Wednesday, he said he had met with the FDIC chairman and vice-chair. In that meeting they had acknowledged “wrongdoing” on the agency’s party and would be having their Inspector General look into who was responsible for it. Luetkemeyer plans to keep going forward with his legislation on the matter.

Rob- the power to make arbitrary administrative decisions is the power to act as a tyrant.  The FDIC can act as god with their phone and their pen.

Gary -Kentucky is taking steps to speed up the process of getting a concealed carry permit. The Kentucky State Police are now taking applications online and will now issue permits within 15 days rather than the old 60 days for paper applications. Applicants are still required to pass an in-person training course on Kentucky law and basic firearm safety, undergo a background check, and have a valid email address. This program which began in mid-November has had several hundred people take advantage of it. The sponsor of the law that enabled the changes, former St. Sen. Sara Beth Gregory, defended the program against Democrat critics saying, “”The faster we can be responsive to people’s applications, the better the system is. Speeding up the process to approve people who should be approved is not a bad thing.”

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2:11 Gary –DEA and ATF considered using license plate cameras at gun shows to “aid gun-trafficking investigations.” DEA head Michelle Leonhart denies that they ever implemented the idea. The potential program came to light due to a FOIA request by the ACLU which was looking into a DEA database that tracked the movement of vehicles within the United States. The primary goal of that database is asset forfeiture and it has been used by state and local law enforcement agencies since 2009. Asked about the program, the NRA said that they would have no comment until they learned more about it.

Rob-comment Do you remember the gun owners harassed in Maryland.  We have years of license plate data here in San Diego.  Now we have lawyers asking if that data can be subpoenaed, or if the data has to be destroyed.

Waze posts where police officers are parked. Sheriffs Want Waze’s Cop-Tracker Shut Down

Gary -If we pushed gun ownership underground for 30 years, there would be no gun ownership in 40 years.  That is why we ask you to take friends shooting, particularly young friends.  We want to build the culture of responsible gun ownership.. and the anti-rights politicians want to destroy that culture.  New York Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal introduced a bill to ban children under 12 years of age from gun shows.  The bill was referred to committee.

Rob- will they prevent nursing mothers from attending gun shows?  How about children in snugglies?  You can take your 12 year old and his friends to the gun show, but they have to be left home alone if they are 11?  How does that promote child safety?

John- In an update to a DGU we talked about recently, the Owner of She’s a Pistol will re-open her store for training after her husband was killed in a shootout with some armed robbers a few weeks ago. Owner Rebecca Bieker is re-opening the training portion of her Shawnee, Kansas business and is not sure when the gun shop will re-open. “We will not stay down but will get back up and fight,” Bieker expressed through a spokesperson and on social media.

Rob- comment- I remember her comment after her husband was murdered in their shop.  ‘Don’t tell me guns are evil.  My husband just saved my life with a gun.’

John- In another update, we have some news from Virginia Citizens Defense League president Philip Van Cleave.  11 anti-gun bills were killed late this week in separate Virginia house and senate subcommittees.  A handful of bad bills remain alive, and between the House and Senate and most of the pro-gun bills are still alive as of now.

John- North Dakota state representative Dwight Kiefert introduced a bill to allow some teachers to carry concealed at school.  The proposal would require teachers or staff to first undergo training with local law enforcement. Kiefert said the bill is for rural school districts where law enforcement is particularly far away from campus.  As you would expect, state education officials told the State House Education Committee that they oppose the bill.

Contrast the education officials response in North Dakota with the attitude we saw in rural Texas.  There the principal said everything that happens at home also happens at school, and his teachers can and must respond to all of it.

Rachel- Gun Quotes- All governments suffer a recurring problem: power attracts pathological personalities.  It is not that power corrupts, but that power is magnetic to the corruptible.  Author Frank Herbert

Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our defensive gun use segment.
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Segment 4 DGUs

Rachel- (OLD MAN AT HOME)
This happened a few hours before sunrise in the Southgate area near Detroit, Michigan.  A 74-year-old man was woken up by the sound of breaking glass at the back of his home.  The homeowner looked inside his home and then headed back to his bedroom where his wife was still in bed.  Before the homeowner could call police, the intruder climbed through the back window and pointed a gun at the homeowner.  Fortunately, the homeowner was armed as well.  The homeowner shot the intruder.  The homeowner was not injured.  The intruder died at the scene.  Police took fingerprints of the dead intruder and a toxicology report is expected within a week.  The investigation remains open and the police do not expect charges against the homeowner.  The homeowner said, “It’s a very quiet neighborhood. This isn’t something that we normally have happen.”

Rachel- (FEMALE STORE CLERK)
This next story is from Blytheville, Arkansas. Three men wearing dark clothes and hoodies entered Dominos Pizza after 9pm.  They announced a robbery and demanded the money in the cash register.  Sarah Cherry is the store manager.  She was in the back of the store and came to the counter when she heard the shouts.  The robbers shot at Sarah as she came through the back door.  Sarah Cherry was armed.  She shot back.  The suspects ran.  No one was injured.  Police are looking for the suspects.

Rob- (INTRUDER HELD AT GUNPOINT)
This story is from John’s neck of the woods in western North Carolina. A neighbor called John Painter Monday afternoon to tell him that a suspicious car was in his driveway. When he arrived home, he found the door pried open and Joel McMinn, 35, inside. Painter “grabbed his pistol”, ordered McMinn to the floor, and then called 9-1-1. When McDowell County deputies arrived, they charged McMinn with felony breaking and entering.  Richelle Bailey, the McDowell County Sheriff’s Dept. spokesperson said your top priority should be safety. If you can detain the suspect safely, that’s OK. “If not they should always just go away, go back to their car, go to a neighbor’s house, whatever, call 911, and let us deal with it.” She added that concealed carry permits were on the rise and that intruders should think twice.

Rob- (FLORIDA COLLEGE STUDENTS)
Two University of Central Florida students are lucky that they live off campus. Nour Skargee (Scar-GEE)  and his girlfriend Sable Nehme (NAY-me) were the victims of violent home invaders on Wednesday. The intruders knocked on their apartment door and then forced their way in when Skargee opened the door. They forced him to the ground and put a gun to his head. The intruders then announced they were going to kill Ms. Nehme. She retreated to her bedroom where she retrieved a revolver.

“The only thing I could think was, ‘I need to figure out a way to protect us,'” Nehme said. “I grabbed the gun from out here in my closet. I pointed it at them, because he has busted through my door.” Both the intruders ran when they saw Ms. Nehme with the revolver. She said her father had given her the revolver for protection. Police later said the intruders’ weapon was actually a pellet gun.

Paul- We post each of our news and defensive gun use articles at Polite Society Podcast.com  Please take a minute and share them with a friend.

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Gary- Listener e-mail discussion

1 )Chris wrote in and sent us a link to a story that says that a bill has been introduced in Congress that would make it a felony to own body armor.

Thanks for writing in Chris. I love it when the listeners send us links in email as it seems that they have our backs. And honestly with us not having a show for almost a week it can be easy for some stories to slip by us.

Honestly I think that Bill Clinton has more of a chance to be elected pope than that legislation getting through the House of Representatives, but we will keep our eyes on it.

Paul- 2 )George in Houston also wrote in

Hi Paul,
Enjoy the podcasts very much. I’m in Houston so am following the TX situation.
Since you are soliciting suggestions, I have a couple:

  1. When doing a news piece on a replica gun incident, you might get used to saying “the gun turned out to be a replica or fake, or pellet gun.” The antis never say this, implying that the police or whoever knew it was not a real gun or should have made sure first (how I don’t know, maybe by getting shot).
  1. One of your callers said he listened to a lot of podcasts, as do I. What I do now is speed up a replay (using DPC or digital pitch control) by using a Sony AX412 portable device. There are others, like the Sony BX140, which is cheaper. I am not an iPod person so I don’t know if that is available there. Many podcasts can be heard reasonably well at 120% or 130% speed. DPC seems to be relatively rare in the overall player universe, and you have to hunt it down. The Sonys I mentioned are no longer made but are available on ebay. the smaller BX140 can be had used for around $25.

Thanks
George S.
Houston TX

rob- I’m a droid.

Paul- 3 ) We got this one in just as we were getting ready for today’s show
I recently discovered your podcast and find it very enlightening. There’s very little mindless banter and I do like the format. I am from Aberdeen, South Dakota but recently moved to rural Minnesota for work reasons. It is very exciting to hear this quality of work coming out of Sioux Falls. I thank you for your time and efforts and will continue listening. Sincerely
Dr.Cliff

Paul- We do have 2 voice mails that have come in since we last had the full studio set up up and running, however it is REALLY difficult to play those on the air when I am sitting in the truck in Baltimore. I will be doing this dedicated run for another 1 to 2 weeks and then we will go back to recording at ABN on Sundays. As soon as we do I will get those voicemails on the air. But please don’t stop sending them! Call 605-215-1438 and we will air yours as well!

Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

Rob– I wrote an article called Rules for Them, and Different Rules for You if You Have a Gun.  I noticed how many of the anti-gun public figures have armed security.  What can I say?  I’m weak, and that post wrote itself after I saw the pictures.  By the way, most of the pictures their armed guards standing with Michael Bloomberg and Rosie O’Donnell have been scrubbed from the online image collections.  Thank you, Miguel Gonzalez for your Google-foo.

Walmart video man tackled- http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/01/22/video-legal-gun-owner-gets-tackled-florida-walmart-vigilante

Rob- I also have a second article coming out where I compare our first amendment rights with our second amendment rights.  What would it be like if the government treated our right to speak and to assemble the same way they treat our right to armed self-defense.  We would be offended if we needed a permit to speak. And once we got that permit, then there are further restrictions on the number of words we can speak at one time.  That is because the government can’t let us speak too fast or too loudly.  These speech restrictions only apply only to citizens. People who speak for the government can use all the words they want.  They speak very loud indeed.  The government says it is only regulating our right to speak, not infringing on it.

It sounds absurd when I describe these restrictions on our right to speak, but this is exactly the way we infringe on the right of self-defense today.  The article is called “Some Rights are More Equal than Others.”

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I did a couple of posts earlier this week on the confirmation hearings for Loretta Lynch. She is President Obama’s nominee to replace Eric Holder as Attorney General. I pointed out that Operation Fast and Furious surfaced in the hearings starting with Chairman Chuck Grassley’s opening statements and continuing with testimony from reporter Sharyl Attkisson and law professor Jonathan Turley. Attkisson described how DOJ froze her out over her reporting. Turley, a liberal who voted for Obama, attacked the Administration’s use of executive privilege to withhold documents concerning Fast and Furious. He also attacked their refusal to prosecute Holder over his contempt citation by the House of Representatives.

Rob- did you read the DOJ Voxsplain their hacking.

(Paul)Before we go I do want to mention that we are working on some REALLY cool guests for upcoming shows. I have been exchanging texts, emails, phone calls and other forms of communication with Ben Branham, Mike Hughes with NextLevel Training (the makers of the SIRT pistols) Grant Cunningham, Ken Kowalski and Chaz Murray and others setting up future interviews.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank (Guests) for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rob: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 307 – David Cole, Andrew Rothman, Philip Van Cleave

Introduction
“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
John: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition.  We’re recording on Wednesday, January 28, 2015. I’m John Richardson.
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll get the news from Andrew Rothman about the gun owners lobby day in Minnesota, and with Philip Van Cleave on the lobby day in Virginia.
Rob: I’m Rob Morse, and I’ll comment on SHOT show before we dive into the news, so climb aboard.
Rachel- strap in
John-  and hang on!  Episode 307 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

John- Welcome back to the personal news segment powered by the firearms policy coalition.
Rachel- I was at the Capitol last weekend, but not as a gun lobbyist – for once. I attended the annual pro-life rally with thousands of other Texans. To me, it’s essentially the same issue as gun rights – I’m supporting innocent life. I have a call in to Lt. Governor’s policy director to ask some direct questions regarding his blatant carelessness about open carry. Other than that, I’ve been working very long days at the music business, as one of my major events for teh year is this weekend.
Rob- I’ve a few notes left over from from SHOT show.  First, I didn’t recognize the salesmen at the Beeman airgun booth.  Beeman was bought by Shanghai Airgun.

Second- I checked the 4H booth after a homeschool mom asked me about their firearms training for youngsters.  4H does NOT share their firearms curriculum.  It is not available on their website.

Daisy does share firearms safety courses for children. http://www.daisy.com/education

Third- a listener asked me to lay hands on 380 pistols and share what I learned.  They were particularly interested in the Kimber 380s.  380s as a class are small and light.  They were designed to be a concealed carry gun.. a pocket gun.  They are small, and maybe they are too small and too light for you.  They are hard to shoot well.  More than any other gun, you have to shoot them to know if they fit you, and if you like them.  YOU need to shoot them, not your spouse and not your friend.  Certainly not me.  You need to shoot them for two reasons.

My hands are up in the 80th percentile size for males, so what fits you might not fit me.  I’m also a recoil junkie, so what I like might not be to your taste. You  have to know the particular gun fits you, and that it is reliable.  Many 380s are not.  I can say this with certainty, 380s are not a good gun for beginners.  Do not start your firearms training with a 380 in your pocket unless you’ve already taken a course that taught you to present a loaded firearm from a concealed holster.

Why is that?  Many of the 380s have the same bore over hand distance of a 9mm.  The 9mm is typically larger overall, but the trigger and feed mechanisms do not shrink in proportion to the bullet diameter.  You NEED to grip the gun because the resistance of your body is necessary to force the frame forward against the recoiling slide.  The gun will fail to feed if you don’t grab it firmly.

Kimber 380
Square and sharp front sight.  That is unusual for a concealed carry handgun since it catches on a pocket or holster.
Exposed hammer. Manual thumb safety.
Good single action trigger and trigger reset for a 380.
High bore over hand distance.  That causes a little more muzzle flip.
7+1 capacity

I needed a magazine extension for me to get all of my fingers on the gun.

Walther 380-  worse trigger and worse bore over hand compared to the kimber.  Slightly larger frame so it fit my hands a little better.

Kahr- the trigger is best described as industrial.   (I’ve used vice grips that were smoother and more positive.)  Worse barrel over hand distance.  They have different models with slightly longer grip length to fit your hands.

KelTek- Could only fit one finger on the grip in addition to my trigger finger in the trigger guard.  That leaves two fingers on the magazine.. and the mag wobbled in the mag well.

Finally- I also looked at the Boberg pistol. It is advertised as shorter in length than conventional striker fired and hammer fired guns.  It is.  The distance from the front of the trigger to the back of the slide is about an inch shorter than similar firearms.  It is hard on ammunition because of how it cycles.  It needs ammunition with a solid crimp to run reliably.  The factory tells you what ammunition to use.  Range reloads are not on the list.  I’ve heard owners swear by it, and gunsmiths swear at it.

comment -John – Both Browning and Rock Island Armory are coming out with ¾ size 1911s in .380. I did shoot the Browning one at Media Day and it was nice.

John- After a week in Las Vegas, it is hard to get back into the swing of things. I almost need a vacation from my vacation at the SHOT Show! Even though I saw a lot of stuff there, I missed a lot as well. For instance, I missed that Colt is re-releasing the Colt 1903 in a limited edition. l also missed a lot of the new companies that were on the first floor.

Given that I missed a lot of companies, that means I need to go back again next year!

The SHOT Show is as much about people as it is about product. I was introduced by trainer Paul Carlson by Grant Cunningham who has been on this show. They both are on The Gun Nation Podcast. Both Rob and I got to meet Tatiana Whitlock who has done videos for NRA Women and who has produced a video on guns and kids for Panteao Productions. She has agreed to do an interview in the future. I also got to meet Laurel Yashimoto at Michael Bane’s shindig. She writes for the Shooting Wire, is an active competitor, and is an Orange County sheriff’s deputy. She was a high school teacher who went into law enforcement after one of her students was sexually molested because she wanted to do more to stop it than she could as a teacher.

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Seg 2- News

-We gave you a short report that Sheldon Silver was arrested in New York.  Democrat Silver was the speaker of the state assembly.  He was one of the politicians you paid off if you wanted legislation passed in New York.  He sponsored the New York SAFE act.  He got that legislation passed as an emergency measure in the early hours of the morning.  He was arrested for taking millions in bribes.  He was charged  by a U S Attorney, but will be prosecuted by career democrat prosecutor.

Rob- any bets?  John, Sheldon Silver remains in office.  He has not withdrawn as speaker of the senate.  Has he been corrupt enough, long enough to be successfully prosecuted in New York?

-Former Nevada lobbyist Harvey Whittemore was convicted for circumventing campaign finance limits.  He laundered contributions to US Senator Harry Reid as far back as 2007.  Whittemore distributed $145,000 to 17 relatives and employees.  Each of these third parties  then made the maximum contribution of $4,600 to Senator Reid’s campaign.  The 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld Whittemore’s conviction on Monday.  Senator Reid has blocked all the pro- self defense bills in the Senate.

-I bet Reid doesn’t like gun owners very much.  TV commentator Bryant Gumbel doesn’t like us at all.  He hosts HBO’s program Real Sports. Gumbel said, and I quote, “There are a few things I hate more than the NRA. I mean truly. I think they’re pigs. I think they don’t care about human life. I think they are a curse upon the American landscape.”  close quote.  Our friend, and fellow NRA member David Cole wrote about Mister Gumbel.  Welcome back to the podcast, David.  What did Mister Gumbel say and where did he say it.  (David Cole interview)

http://blackmanwithagun.com/hate
Gumbel is justifying bigotry and preparing the road to abuse by dehumanizing gun owners.
BMW was going to use Gumbel in a commercial.  I wrote BMW.  I got a form letter in reply.

Dear Mr. Morse:
Thank you for writing to BMW of North America, LLC regarding the advertisement.

We appreciate the time you have taken to share your thoughts.  Please be assured that your comments have been forwarded to the appropriate department for review.
The BMW Customer Relations and Services Department is available Monday through Friday from 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m., ET.  You can reach us at 1-800-831-1117.
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-The DC police had gone so far as to draw up arrest documents for NBC broadcaster David Gregory.  The DC attorney general squashed his arrest.  The DC Police Department warned NBC News that it could not possess an actual high-capacity magazine in their DC studio.  NBC News did it anyway. The police recommended a warrant for Gregory’s arrest.  They prepared that warrant, but failed to serve it after D.C. Attorney General Irvin Nathan said Gregory was just too nice a guy and had no other criminal intent.  David Gregory was also useful to the District politicians.  That attitude towards possessory violations of DC gun law is  very different when compared to how the D.C. Attorney General has vigorously prosecuted lesser-known people who also were nice people and had no other criminal intent.  There really are a set of laws for famous people, and a different set of laws for us.

Rob- we knew that before, but the blog legal insurrection and judicial watch got us the evidence in black and white.

-While we’re talking about corrupt DC bureaucrats.  The District of Columbia issued its first concealed handgun carry permits. There are now eight civilians who can legally carry a firearm in the nation’s capital. That is about one person for each 80 thousand civilians in the district.  More of the new DC applications have been denied than approved.  The City Council adopted a “may issue” law which denies the ordinary citizen a permit.  The DC city council required 18 hours of training and 110 dollars in application fees.  They also require that each  applicants prove to city officials that they have been threatened and have police reports on file.  The licensing process is condemned by rights activists.

DC also certified a few more trainers to teach the required 16 hours of classroom instruction and 2 hours of range training.  Six trainers have been certified, so that leaves one and a third customers per trainer.

-Speaking of training, we met Tatiana Whitlock at the SHOT show.  She starred in a educational video made by Panteo Productions.  Panteo has a line of videos that focus on competition and survival training.  This one is different.  This video is free on Youtube. It is called “Kids & Guns with Tatiana Whitlock”  It includes use, storage, and education.  Of course we have the link in our show notes.

-Reporter Tim Steller of the Arizona Daily Star in Tucson published a piece about serious misconduct and intimidation from DOJ attorneys.  Their misconduct arose when former ATF agent and whistleblower Jay Dobyns sued the government.  One of the recently unsealed documents was from presiding judge Francis Allegra.  The judge said the Justice Department attorneys had “committed fraud on the court.”  The Department of Justice asked ATF agents not to investigate the arson that burned down Dobyns house.  Agents were threatened, and  Department of Justice attorneys ordered ATF agents not to report the threat to the court or the agents would face repercussions.

-This article was sent in by listener Anthony.  Gun rights activists staged another rally at the Texas state Capitol as they asked for open carry of handguns without a license in Texas.  This time they wore holsters, and the holsters were not empty!  They were stuffed with rolled up copies of the US and Texas Constitution, with bananas, and with cans of hairspray.. since that was all that Texas law allows.  Texas hasn’t allowed open carry of handguns, with or without a license, since right after the Civil War.

-Why does open carry matter?  Let’s take an example from Florida where open carry is forbidden.  Michael Foster was standing in a parking lot when he saw that a man was carrying a firearm.  Foster followed the 62 year old black man, then tackled and choked the gun owner as he entered Walmart.  The black man is Clarence Daniels.  He is a concealed carry holder.  The only possible charge against Mister Daniels is that he let himself print as he got out of his car.  Florida resident have been charged for printing before Florida laws were changed.   Foster was arrested, taken into custody and charged with assault and battery.

-Let’s keep going. Jonathan Romans is an active member of both moms demand action and the coalition to stop gun violence.  He comments on their pages a lot.  Romans has openly called for harassment and violence against law abiding gun owners.  He said, “..when a stranger enters a public place armed, ask to see his permit.  If he produces one, cross your fingers.  If not, then tackle him, or shoot him, because then it will not be too late.”

Does that mean we get to tackle  Bloomberg’s bodyguards?  How about the armed guards protecting Shannon Watts, Rosie O’Donnell, Piers Morgan, Chuck Schumer, and Dianne Feinstein?  Can we tackle and disarm them too.  Shannon says that all firearms owners are crazy gunmen.

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-We talked about a rally in Austin Texas last week.  Human rights activists also rallied in Minneapolis, Minnesota to defend the right of self-defense. Andrew Rothman is with us to talk about Minnesota gun owners lobby day.

Our first gun owners lobby day at the capitol when legislators were in session.  We had 230 volunteers at the rally.  We visited every legislators.  Some left the capitol, and some refused to meet with us.  Our citizen lobbyists were encouraged.  We’re looking to pass a law to allow hunting with suppressors in Minnesota.  Our biggest opposition is from big city police chiefs.  They have stated their opposition to all gun bills.  That puts the chiefs in sharp conflict with our sheriffs.

Our volunteers are pretty smart.  We helped them set up their meetings with the legislators.  We gave them a list of issues we’re working on this year.  We expect our volunteers to bring their friends to the next hometown meeting in their local legislative districts.

Rally in Richmond, Virginia.   Phil Van Cleave about lobby day and their recent legislative success.  This past Monday a Virginia Senate committee killed Gov. Terry McAuliffe’s gun control bills. Now on Thursday, the VA General Assembly takes up a bill that will allow lifetime concealed carry permits. Reporter Emily Miller was one of the speakers at the VCDL Lobby Day rally and now the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence wants her fired. They have a petition up saying she violated journalistic ethics by speaking there.

700 people.  VCDL walked into every legislator’s office, though a few offices were empty.  Governor McAuliffe’s anti-gun bills died, but one may have been resurrected.

Comment- I guess they hate both the Second and First Amendments.

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-In other state news, bills before the Nebraska legislature allow armed security at private schools.  Another bill recognizes lawful aliens and military spouses so they meet state residency requirements when applying for a handgun application.  The bill also lets legal gun owners to store a gun in a vehicle parked outside a business where they’re employed.

Constitutional carry is being considered in New Hampshire.  The republican legislature allowed concealed weapons back into the House Chamber. Now they have a bill granting constitutional carry so  you don’t need a state-issued license in order to carry a concealed gun.  New Hampshire is already an open carry state, meaning if you can buy a gun you can carry it in the open. But if you want to carry a concealed firearm, you need to apply for a license to your local police. The constitutional carry bill would allow anyone who can legally own a gun to carry that firearm concealed.  The bill is sponsored by the Senate Majority leader.

Rachel (comment) – Constitutional Carry has also been introduced in South Dakota.

-My day job is as a financial advisor.  I can quote you chapter and verse about compound interest making your future secure.  In this next news story I’m not talking about money.  We’re talking about the growth of firearms owners in Iowa.  They changed the concealed carry laws in 2011 and allowed multi-year carry permits.  The Iowa legislature also reduced their training requirements. After those changes,  concealed carry applications grew by 55% each year.  That is almost a 6 fold increase since 2010.  1 in 14 Iowans now have their carry license, or 1 in 10 eligible adults.  That means firearms rights are secure in Iowa, and growing more so.

– Texas’ brand-new Lt. Governor Dan Patrick is working on damage control after statements he made about open carry in the Texas Senate. He was elected in a highly-contested four-way primary last year. Gun owners favored another candidate, so Patrick had tried to convince us that he was our candidate by saying he’d support open carry. Earlier this week, he issued the following statement: “Open carry is important, but I don’t think there is support in the Legislature to pass it. The votes have not been there.” (end quote) He said he didn’t consider open carry a priority, and indicated he didn’t intend to bring it to the floor of the Senate. The people of Texas responded by flooding his facebook page and phone lines in support of open carry and constitutional carry. Patrick issued another statement today: “Now that SB 11 (campus carry) has support and is moving toward passage we can focus on other 2nd Amendment issues, including open carry, which I have consistently supported.” (end quote)

Rachel (comment)- Morals of the story:
#1 – don’t trust campaign statements. There are always ways they wiggle out when push comes to shove.
#2 – phone calls and facebook comments CAN apply effective pressure.
#3 – Patrick’s “baby” was changing the Senate rules to require only a 3/5 majority, not 2/3. That came up for a vote and passed. All the Republicans supported their fellow Republican Lt. Governor in voting for it…that is, all except Senator Estes, who is carrying the licensed open carry bill. Anybody think that could have anything to do with Patrick trying to stonewall open carry?

Texans, make your voice heard: Call Patrick’s office at 512-463-0001.

Rachel- Gun Quotes– This quote was sent in by listener Matthew Martin.  “It is useless for the sheep to pass resolutions in favor of vegetarianism, while the wolf remains of a different opinion.”  That quote is from William Ralph Inge who was an English author, an Anglican priest, a professor of divinity at Cambridge, and Dean of St Paul’s Cathedral.
rob What have you done lately?

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Segment 4 DGUs
-An armed robber walked up to a surveyor working a job site in Miami, Florida.  The robber pointed a gun at the surveyor and demanded his money.  The victim said he didn’t have any money, so the robber demanded the victim’s cellphone and told him to get on the ground. The victim complied, but while he was on the ground the victim took out his own gun and shot the robber.  The robber was taken to Broward General Medical center with non-life threatening injuries.  The surveyor’s employer said surveyors are often robbed of their surveying instruments and computers.

-Tai Carr was one of several people attacked outside a friend’s home in Houston Texas. Carr face was severely beaten with a pistol.   Another friend arrived at the residence, and the robbers then forced everyone inside at gunpoint.  In the confusion, Carr slipped back outside and retrieved his handgun from his vehicle.  Mister Carr then went back inside the home and shot one of the robbers.  The second robber fled at the sound of gunfire.  The wounded robber died in minutes.  Quote “it was over instantly.”  Police found the second robber, 23-year-old Marquez Romero Heckard, hiding in the bathroom of a nearby Wendy’s restaurant. He was holding the gun used in the robbery.  Heckard was charged with assault last year.  Now he faces aggravated assault with a deadly weapon and aggravated robbery with a deadly weapon.  He is being held without bail.

-A crazy man broke into a couple’s home in rural Racine County Wisconsin.  He entered through a back room window, and stood over his victims before the male homeowner woke up and fought him.  The female homeowner grabbed her gun and shot at the intruder.  The intruder fled, but not before he slashed the male homeowner’s throat.  Police followed the intruder’s tracks to a local home.  The intruder kept a journal where he planned his attack and said he planned to kill the couple.

-A robber entered the Grand Slam Market near Nashville, Tennessee.  The robber was wearing a mask.  The thief drew his firearm, pointed it at the clerk’s face, and demanded the money in the cash register.  The 52 year old store clerk is named Jeff Sloan, and Sloan opened the register.  The robber took the money and started to walk away.  That is when Sloan drew his own firearm. The thief turned back towards the clerk and the store owner who were in the store.  The clerk shot the thief in the chest.  The thief had six prior convictions for aggravated robbery and a conviction for facilitation of kidnapping.  The thief hit a tree and a fire hydrant as he tried to drive away.  The thief was taken to Vanderbilt University Medical Center where he is in stable condition.

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Listener e-mail discussion

from Jason in Texas
Hi Rachel. What is going on with different groups pushing different pro gun bills here in Texas. Shouldn’t we all be pushing for the same thing? Thanks

Rachel- Not necessarily.
First off, I support everyone’s right to support what they want. I never tell anyone what bill they must support or oppose. I just try to give accurate info, and I share my reasons for why I support what I do.

Sure, I wish everyone would join me in supporting constitutional carry (HB 195/SB 342) but hey….I see lots of good things from people supporting different things in different ways.

1 – It shows that we’re all thinking for ourselves – that we’re supporting our own beliefs, not parroting someone else’s.

2 – it changes what people view as “radical” and moves “moderate” our direction

3 – lots of bills isn’t a bad thing. duplicate bills are common. It increases the popularity it a popular thing to do. It gives us more options – if some don’t make it through but others do, they can be potentially amended to have the language we wanted

4 – people learn the process better and stick with it more since they have to research for themselves….they’re not being spoon-fed

Rob- I use Popvox to lobby my representatives.  I support H.R. 419 The Knife Owners’ Protection Act. A pocket knife should not be the way a policeman forcibly enters a citizen’s wallet.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

The next article is called the twisted mirror of gun control.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

We’re thinking about changing the show.  We might shorten it to an hour and break that hour into separate 15 minute segments for download.  Please let us know what you think.

John: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Phil Van Cleave, Dave Cole and Andrew Rothman for talking with us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
Rachel: stay safe,
Rob: be aware,
John: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 301- Miko Tempski, Andrew Rothman and Matthew Chase

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”
Rob: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition recorded live on Wednesday, 14th January, 2015.  I’m Rob Morse
Rachel: I’m Rachel Malone and on tonights show we’ll interview Miko Tempski and talk about the SAF’s lawsuit against Washington Initiative 594.
John: I’m John Richardson, and we’ll talk with Andrew Rothman about Minnesota Gun owners civil Rights alliance success at changing the Minnesota Concealed carry applications.
Rob: we also get to talk with Matthew Chase about carrying guns in synagogue.
Rachel: We also have our usual self-defense news and defensive gun use, so climb aboard.
John: strap in
Rob: and hang on!  Episode 301 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.
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Seg 1- Personal news from each participant
Rob- I went to a new range in San Diego.  Other than new paint, it isn’t anything special.  A couple of tall bar tables and chairs don’t make you a guntry club.  To their credit, they will let you shoot from concealment.  They will let you shoot quickly.  As they said, you must be in control at all times.  I agree.

Talking about control, another range in San Diego wanted me to take a 75 dollar training course.  If I passed their course, I would be allowed to present from the holster at their range.  It looks like we will shoot IDPA at that range starting in February.. and we won’t need to take their training course.

That brings up a topic I want to discuss with my co-hosts.  I agree with being uncompromising when it comes to safety.  In contrast, I condemn the attitude that says everything is dangerous.  I’ve met too many range officers who have the attitude that the only safe shooting is slow fire from a bench.. and the only relevant training is the training they have taken or the training their range provides.  I look forward for them going out of business.

Back to shooting, I got my IDPA scores from our local match.  I placed 11th out of 34.  I was second out of 5 shooters in Custom Defensive Pistol (read 1911).  This is what one of the stages was like if you’re not familiar with IDPA.

There were 5 targets for you to shoot arrayed in an arc at a distance of about 6 yard.  The string required two shots on each target.  You shot them in tactical sequence. Tactical sequence is also called boarding house rules.  That means everyone gets some before anyone gets more.  Each target had to be shot once before any target could be shot a second time.  To make it interesting, there was an extra target in front of you.. and you were not supposed to shoot it.  Each target wore a different color scarf.  After you loaded your weapon, you were told which color was your friend.  It sounds like this.

In that recording, the shooter’s time was 7.6 seconds, and he was faster than I was.  He was shooting 9mm.  My time was 9.4 seconds to shoot 10 shots.  I had to reload for the last shot.  I was also 1 point down.  That means one of my shots was outside an 8 inch circle in the center of the target.  Speed AND accuracy are important.

I also did some dry practice and ordered some magazines.  Magazines wear out.

John – I did nothing gun related. I’m still dealing with this upper respiratory garbage. I did start a short course of prednisone and a Z-pack. I want to be better for SHOT!!!

Rachel- I spent yesterday at the Capitol for opening day of the session, promoting Constitutional Carry….but we’re reporting on that in the news segment. Since we canceled Sunday’s podcast, I spent the afternoon printing the remainder of the 15,000 petitions with a group of Lone Star Gun Rights volunteers. Also, I got to speak to the Republican Freedom Coalition of Texas at their monthly luncheon today. I spoke on truth and injustice…the truth about gun rights that binds us together in the gun rights movement, and the injustice that spurs us to action.

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00- The 84th Legislature in Texas convened on Tuesday. Around 100 gun rights activists gathered in support of Constitutional Carry. Volunteers with Lone Star Gun Rights delivered 15,000 petitions in support of HB 195, the Constitutional Carry bill. They visited each office of the 150 representatives and 31 senators, giving each office a stack of petitions signed by their own constituents. For many of the volunteers, this was their first expedition inside the Capitol. It was the beginning of a new season of gun rights in Texas, as activists transition from open carry walks into legislative action. Activists are proud to have a strong champion in Rep. Jonathan Stickland, the author of HB 195. Stickland gave a rousing speech to the activists, thanking them for their help and pledging to push HB 195 as far as possible.

0- Texas isn’t the only state pushing Constitutional Carry bill. West Virginia may see Constitutional Carry as well this year, with West Virginia Citizen’s Defense League promoting what they call “3-22 legislation.”  It’s named after the WV Constitution’s right to bear arms clause. The bill removes the crime of carrying a concealed weapon except for persons prohibited from owning firearms. See more about the bill and sign up to receive updates at the WVCDL site.

1-I’d like to correct the record about the police response to the assault by french muslims in Paris last week.  The French police who responded on bicycles were allowed to carry guns.  The particular policemen man or may not have been carrying when they were shot.

John Cardillo spoke to his contacts in Paris.  The police were Prefecture of Paris National Police could be armed with Sig SP2022 in 9mm.  The cop was ambushed and hit with multiple 7.62 rounds. He never had time to draw his weapon.

2-Texas Senator Donna Campbell proposed a bill that would further recognize the right of self-defense.  Campbell’s bill prohibits many state and local public buildings from barring lawful concealed carry.  The bill also strips sovereign immunity from governmental officials who illegally establish disarmament zones.  The bill allows gun owners to sue those government officials for damages.  Quote, “We need to fortify our Second Amendment rights any time we can.  I think that means allowing law abiding, licensed gun owners to lawfully carry their weapons in more places.”

comment- That means Texas is finally catching up with Kansas.

3- Being indiscriminate means you can’t tell good from bad, and that is the goal of political correctness.  The latest case came from Walmart.  Stephanie Wehner took her wedding announcement photographs to Walmart.  They refused to print one of the pictures because it contained a firearm.  The big box retailer said that guns support gang culture.  The groom in the photographs is not a thug.  He helps produce online hunter’s education and safety videos.

It was only when they were questioned by the news media that Walmart changed its policy and said the local employee was misinformed.  Walmart management said it will not print a photograph depicting criminal activity or offensive language.  Firearms are not mentioned.. except by bigoted store employees.

4- This next story won’t take long.  California Senator Barbara Boxer is retiring after 20 plus years in the Senate.  That is the good news.  The bad news is that the Democrats will replace her with anti-gun California Attorney General Kamala Harris.  While serving as District Attorney in Alameda County Harris recruited other District Attorneys and filed an amicus brief in District of Columbia v. Heller, arguing that the Second Amendment does not protect an individual’s right to own firearms.  Both the old and new senators are from the San Francisco bay area.

5- Also from San Francisco, You already know that California has crazy gun laws.  San Francisco leads the list.  That city requires a firearm be stored in an inoperable condition unless it is in the owner’s possession.  That is the same rule that was found unconstitutional in Washington, DC.  Also, due to San Francisco gun laws, no one can carry concealed.  That means it is illegal to carry as you get your mail, pick up your newspaper, or turn off the sprinklers in your front yard.  No one in San Francisco can get a concealed carry permit.

You might not know that the supreme court only accepts one out of a hundred cases submitted to it.  That is why this next news item is interesting.  The highest law enforcement official in the state is the State Attorney General.  26 state attorneys general signed a petition asking the U.S. Supreme Court to review a 9th Circuit Federal Court of Appeals decision that approved the San Francisco ordinance.  The Wisconsin AG said, “We do not want this precedent to stand and create a problem for law abiding gun owners in other states.”  Maybe the supreme court will listen and take the case now that a majority of states attorneys have asked for review.

6- We’re reported stories where police broke the laws and were not prosecuted as you or I would have been.  That means we’re obliged to report when police officers are charged for breaking the law.  Two Albuquerque police officers were charged with murder.  They killed a homeless camper back in March.  The killing started a federal investigation into the Albuquerque police force.  The investigation found a pattern of excessive force.

SWAT team member Dominique Perez and former Detective Keith Sandy face a single count of open murder in the death of 38-year-old James Boyd.  Open murder allows prosecutors to pursue either first-degree or second-degree murder charges.  The officers fatally shot the homeless man who was holding two knives after an hour long standoff.  The confrontation occured in the foothills of the Sandia Mountains.  The homeless man had a history of mental illness.  Video from an officer’s helmet camera showed the homeless man surrender before he was shot.

Rob comment- We had a similar story in California where five officers beat and crushed a schizophrenic man.  They were found not guilty of a crime.  The officers and the city were found guilty of a civil offense.  The award was several million dollars.  The mayor, the police chief, and several of the officers lost their jobs.  I’ve read stories of them being shunned in town.

7- There is a lawsuit against Washington DC which claims they have deliberately denied the right to bear arms.  The new DC mayor just admitted as much.  Mayor Muriel Bowser said “You have a mayor who hates guns.  If it was up to me, we wouldn’t have any handguns in the District of Columbia. I swear to protect the Constitution and (do) what the courts say, but I will do it in the most restrictive way as possible.”
Comment- Your honor, I rest my case.
Comment- This is the same Washington DC where a young man was shot in the head so the gang thugs could steal his shoes?
Comment- That is the place.

8- State Rep. Jim Lucas filed legislation to replace Indiana’s current concealed carry permit program in favor of free and lawful unlicensed carry. The bill would replace 30 pages of Indiana’s firearms regulations with language allowing unlicensed or so-called constitutional carry.  Four other states have similar laws. “This is geared toward the innocent person. I want to remove one more obstacle in their path where they can defend themselves.
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9- Utah Representative Norman Thurston wants to change Utah’s traffic laws.  Today it is illegal to bring a knife or gun onto public transportation.  He said, “You were perfectly fine walking down the street and then you get on a bus and now you’re a felon.  You’re not doing anything different. If it’s legal to be on the street, it should be legal to be on a bus. If it’s illegal to be on the street, it should be the same type of illegal to be on the bus.”  That makes sense.  Representative Thurston should hear from our Utah listeners.

10- Pennsylvania Attorney General Kane doesn’t support the right of self-defense.  She is also in trouble with the law.  A special prosecutor and grand jury said that Democrat Kathleen Kane leaked confidential legal information to a newspaper.  She released the grand jury material to a paper in order to embarrass her political enemies and rivals.  The grand jury recommended charges of perjury and contempt of court.
Rob- Those charges would usually lead to a lawyer being disbarred.  I doubt she will be disbarred or even prosecuted.

11- Turning to national legislation, Congressman Thomas Massie from Kentucky introduced House Resolution 86.  It is called the Safe Students Act.  I would repeal the Gun-Free School Zones Act of 1990. Representative Massie said, “Gun-free school zones are ineffective. They make people less safe by inviting criminals into target-rich, no-risk environments. Gun-free zones prevent law-abiding citizens from protecting themselves, and create vulnerable populations that are targeted by criminals. A bigger federal government can’t solve this problem. Weapons bans and gun-free zones are unconstitutional. They do not and cannot prevent criminals or the mentally ill from committing acts of violence. But they often prevent victims of such violence from protecting themselves.”  Please contact your congressman and ask for his support on HR86.
Rob- I sent a letter to my representative. I use PopVox.

12- Attorney General Eric Holder said the US is at war with “lone wolf” terrorists.  The murderers in France were not lone wolves, they were known wolves.  They posted jihad videos from france for years.  The Kalashnikov automatic rifles, Molotov cocktails, grenades, a machine pistol, and unregistered handguns were all illegal according to french law.  You can easily smuggle weapons into europe if you can smuggle millions of immigrants across the border.  So I have to ask.. how is that gun-control working for you, mon ami?

As you would expect from any armed attack, the anti-rights groups used the french murders to support more gun control.

Rachel- This week’s gun quote is paraphrased from Mike Rowe- “Democracy works for those who show up.. Making sure as few as possible show up … is not a coincidence. It’s a strategy.”

John- Hang on everybody, we’ll be back with our interview gun use segment.

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Segment 3 Interviews

Miko Tempski – SAF At the end of 2014, the Second Amendment Foundation filed suit against the state of Washington’s I-594. Could you give us a brief synopsis of the case?

You have an interesting variety of plaintiffs ranging from individuals to a private security firm. How did you go about getting a group of plaintiffs with this breadth?
Where do things stand now?
One of the complaints that I’ve heard in the gun rights community is this lawsuit specifically isn’t meant to stop background checks. How would you respond to this?

Andrew Rothman– You’re the president of Minnesota’s Gun Owner’s Civil Rights Alliance.  You noticed that the state of Minnesota violated the law on their new concealed carry application.  They have since revised their application.  The state did not change it because they are Minnesota nice.  What was the problem and how did you get it fixed?
Rally at the Capitol-

Matt Chase– (http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/12/bring-your-gun-to-synagogue/)
You wrote an article asking jews to concealed carry in synagogue.  You also said that the leaders of many jewish organizations took anti-rights positions.  Why do you think that is so?  You not only asked jews to carry, you carry yourself.  Thank you for your integrity.  What is the attitude of your rabbi, or did you have to shop for synagogue where self-defense was respected?

Segment 4 DGUs
1-This story is from Toledo, Ohio.  The owner of an auto detailing business saw someone trying to steal one of his cars.  He approached the thief, and the thief lunged at him with a knife.  The business owner is a licensed carry holder and was carrying at the time.  He shot at the thief, but only grazed him.  The thief ran, but was soon arrested by police.  The shop owner is cooperating with police and is not facing any charges.

2- This story could be called any time – any where – the usual suspects.  Two men tried to break into a Las Vegas home.  The area was described as law abiding.  The neighbors said they had never seen a policeman on their street.  The robbers kicked in the front door near midnight.  They were armed.  The homeowner ran upstairs and retrieved his gun.  The robber shot at the homeowner and missed.  The homeowner shot the robber several times in the chest.  Both robbers ran from the house.  The wounded robber left a trail of blood across the driveway and collapsed on the street.  The other robber escaped.  The wounded robber died at the hospital.  The dead robber had been out of jail for less than one year.  He served time for burglary, attempted armed robbery, for five separate felony cases.

3- She’s a Pistol is the name of a gun store in Shawnee,  Kansas.  Four young men walked into the store wearing hoodies and carrying a duffel bag.  The details are not clear, but they tried to rob the store at gunpoint.  They struck the female store owner in the face.  They shot the male store owner.  The store owners shot three of the robbers.  Only two of them were able to run away.  The two fleeing criminals were arrested a short distance away by police.  The three wounded criminals survived but remain in the hospital because of their injuries.  The male store owner died at the hospital. The female store owner was hospitalized overnight and released.  All four of the robbers are charged with murder, aggravated robbery or attempted aggravated robbery.  No weapons were taken from the store.

The robbers had criminal records.  one of the robbers pleaded guilty to unlawful use of a weapon and was placed on probation for three years. Another was charged with unlawful use of a weapon and assault on a police officer.  The oldest robber was 20 years old.

4- A man entered an Indianapolis clothes shop wearing a mask.  He drew a gun and demanded money from the store clerk.  The store clerk gave him the money.  As the robber left the store, the clerk started dialing the police.  The armed robber re-entered the store and threatened the clerk.  At that point another store employee drew his firearm and shot the robber in the head.  Police found the robber lying outside the store.  No customers were injured.  The robber had a record of prior arrests.

5-Four armed men forced their way into a Columbus Georgia home.  They put a gun to the head of the female homeowner.  The male homeowner heard her scream.  He shot the robber several times.  The robbers fled.  Police found the wounded robber in a nearby yard.  He was taken to the hospital for emergency surgery.  Police arrested another of the four robbers.  He was charged with home invasion first degree, criminal attempt armed robbery, aggravated assault , possession of a firearm during the commission of a crime, possession of a firearm by a convicted felon and theft by receiving stolen property.  The other two remained at large.

6- It was almost closing time at the seafood bar and grill in Houston.  Two men walked into the restaurant wearing hoodies.  They produced a gun and ordered the female store owner to hand over the cash.  She walked into the kitchen where her husband saw that she was terrified.  The robbers ordered the store owners to the floor and held them at gunpoint.. until a customer interveined.  The customer held one of the robbers until police arrived, and shot at the other robber when the robber pointed his gun back at them.  The robber escaped on foot.  The other robber was arrested by police for armed robbery.  Local merchants handed out flyers for the restaurant to help drum up business after the robbery attempt.  The female store owner said the customer’s calm actions inspired her to get her CHL.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?
I wrote about the failed gun laws in Washington State.  I’m writing about most gun owners not deserving the legal right to own guns.

John do you want to mention anything off of your blog you would like to talk about?

I did a post yesterday about an effort by Bloomberg’s Everytown to influence journalists. In conjunction with the Columbia University’s Dart Center for Journalism and Trauma, they will be putting on an all expense paid 2-day workshop for 15 reporters and editors from the Southwest. It will feature their so-called experts, etc. I surmise that this is an effort to write the media narrative in AZ and NV in advance of universal background check initiatives.

Paul: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Miko Tempski, Andrew Rothman, and Matt Chase for joining us today.  co-hosts, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Until the next time…
John: stay safe,
Rachel: be aware,
Rob: and we’ll see you down the road.

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Episode 300 JN2AS and David Cole

Introduction

“An armed society is a polite society.. and this is the Polite Society Podcast where we support and report on civilian self-defense.”

Rachel: Welcome to the polite society podcast presented by the Firearms Policy Coalition.  We’re recording on Wednesday, January 7th, 2015. I’m Rachel Malone

Rob : I’m Rob Morse and on tonights show we’ll talk with Frank Fiamingo, Alexander Roubian, Justin Delosh, and David Cole

Rachel, we also have news about the terrorist assault on a french newspaper.

Rachel: so climb aboard

Rob strap in

Rachel: and hang on! episode 300 of the Polite Society Podcast starts right now.

Show intro music.

Seg 1- Personal news from each participant

Rachel- It’s been way too long since I’ve been on a podcast! I was sick with a nasty virus all Christmas week, and then traveling all of the next week. I did manage to connect with a few more reps’ offices. I’m also working with Lone Star Gun Rights to prepare for an event at the State Capitol on Tuesday, January 13. More on that later…

John is recovering from elective surgery.  He is fine, but said the anesthesia left him drunk.

Rob- Rachel, we could start our bloopers for the year by recording John.

Shot show credentials came in.  I downloaded the shot show app on my phone.  a low-cost hotel in Vegas said they had low rates the week of the convention..but Circus Circus lies in their advertising.  I made plans to shoot IDPA on Saturday and instruct at a women on target class on Sunday morning.

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Seg 2- News

1-The French satire newspaper Charlie Hebdo was attacked this morning by three muslim gunmen.  The terrorists were armed.  They killed 12 people, and asked for many of the victims by name.  They also killed a french policeman.  Like the rest of the french victims, the policeman was not armed.  The french policeman begged for his life before he was shot dead.

Rob- That is what gun control looks like.

Some news outlets are asking why this happened and how they can stop it.  The answer is simple.  Based on their own statements, muslims will stop killing once the french are dead.  French gun laws only allow owning a firearm for sport.  The permit and registration process makes New Jersey look easy by comparison.  French criminals don’t obey french gun laws any more than New Jersey citizens obey New Jersey gun laws.

The real question is why this didn’t happen before.. and why it has not happened here in the United States.  The answer is it has happened here.

We’ve had muslims attacks in Moore, Oklahoma; West Orange, New Jersey; Seattle, Washington; Skyway, Washington; Port Bolivar, Texas; Richmond, California; Boston, Massachusetts; Ashtabula, Ohio; Marquette Park, Illinois; Warren, Michigan; Waltham, Massachusetts; Houston, Texas; and Buena Vista, New Jersey.  Those attacks took place in the last four years.  Our president called them “work place violence”.  There has been only one vigilante reprisal.

Why haven’t there been more attacks in the United States?

http://blackmanwithagun.com/coming-america

David Cole interview

2- An army psychologist was shot in a VA clinic.  This happened in El Paso, Texas.  The clinic is a gun-free zone.  The doctor had previously filed a threat complaint against the person who later shot him.  The murderer then took his own life.  The only recorded contact between the two men happened at a grocery store several months ago.  The murderer approached the doctor and said “I know what you did and I will take care of that.”

That is when the doctor filed his complaint.

Rob- This is a two-fer.  It is a failed restraining order AND a failed gun free zone.

3-We reported when Illinois reached 100,000 concealed carry license holders in its first year.  When the law was being debated, the press told us we’d see wild-west shoot outs in the streets as gun carrying idiots fought over parking places.  They never printed a retraction, but the media owes us one.

Champaign County Sheriff Dan Walsh asked his deputies to let him know if they had any problems with concealed carry holders.  “I’ve yet to get one.” Walsh said.

Urbana Police Chief Patrick Connolly said, “..the people who are law-abiding and take the time to go to class and register and understand the concept (of concealed carry),..are going to be smart enough to handle the firearm appropriately. So, I don’t think this was something out of the ordinary.”

Danville police Sgt. Josh Campbell agreed, saying “When you’re talking concealed-carry, it’s mostly your law-abiding citizens, who don’t cause problems anyway.”

Illinois is way behind the national average for concealed carry and comes in between Nebraska and Rhode Island by percentage.  For raw numbers, it is between Louisiana and West Virginia.

4-I love it when people put their personal convictions into action.  A gun show manager in Utah organized firearms safety classes during his gun shows.   Mitch McKinlay he did it because of the number of new shooters attending his shows. “We want to make sure and give the public the opportunity to obtain professional gun safety courses.  Everyone who owns a gun, both new and longtime gun owners, can use the information and techniques taught during the classes.  We should all take the time to learn or refresh ourselves about safe and proper techniques with gun ownership.”  The safety classes were offered at no additional cost.

Rob- I bet gun sales went UP once new shoppers know how to safely accept, inspect and hold a firearm.

5-If that was a person with conviction.  Here is a story from a politician who doesn’t have any convictions.  New Jersey Governor Chris Christie said New Jersey gun control laws “might be a little too strict.” That was last month.  Now that Christie considers running for president, he says New Jersey needs more gun laws.  He wants dealers and manufacturers to make gun records available for inspection to State Police.  They would have to notify state police if their security systems fail.  Also, the dealer could be required to move the guns to another licensed location if the security system of physical security of their shop is compromised.

Rob- That is wasted effort designed to get political attention.

6-We don’t want civilians to lose their guns to criminals.  We don’t want the police to lose their firearms either.  A ‘good Samaritan’ couple returned a missing rifle to Salem New Hampshire police.  The M4 semi-automatic rifle was lost earlier that day by a Salem police officer.

The officer had left the Colt M4 Commando 5.56mm semi-automatic rifle atop his cruiser’s trunk as he headed out for patrol Tuesday afternoon.  They assume the rifle fell off during his patrol.  The officer was not identified in the news release that asked for the public’s help in finding the rifle.  The officer left the rifle in its black canvas carrying bag on the trunk of his police car.  He discovered the loss at the end of his shift.

7-Michael Bloomberg and his group of anti-rights billionaires said Initiative 594 would stop gun-crime in the state of Washington.  They were wrong.  A man walked into a Tacoma bank wearing a blue hooded sweatshirt, a face mask, gloves, and carrying a gun.  He demanded money.  The teller gave him the money in her till, and the bank robber ran away.

Comment- You mean that criminals don’t obey gun laws.. not even in the evergreen state?

No, they don’t.  Not in the people’s republic of Takoma.

Comment- Don’t tell the Washington Post.  They blamed guns for the recent attacks on police.

Comment- but what else would you expect from the Post.

8-Second Amendment Foundation opposed Washington Initiative 954.  They filed an injunction a month after the bill took effect.  We already reported that the state’s law enforcement agencies publicly admitted they can’t interpret the law.  SAF says parts of the legislation, “are so vague that a person of ordinary intelligence cannot understand their scope.” Other sections of the bill violate the Second Amendment.  For example, the law prohibits Washington residents from loaning their firearm to out of state guests or hunters while traveling in Washington.. even between family members.

Alan Gottlieb, vice president of the group, said in a statement to the press that the legislation makes it “difficult if not impossible,” for officers to enforce it due to the uncertainty of whether a change of firearm possession was exempt or not.

Rob- Superstitious gun bigots don’t care.  They want to outlaw your tools of self-defense.

9-This is a test.  How many of you have used the website Gunfacts.info?  I’ve used them as a reliable reference for years.  They conducted their research on a shoestring budget that covered their website costs.  Now they are suffering from their own success.  A growing number of visitors use their site, so their hosting costs are going up.  Guy Smith is asking for sponsors.

comment- They are a worthy subject for  your year end giving.

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Hang on everybody, we’ll be back after this

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Segment 3 Interviews

The Texas Legislature convenes on Tuesday, January 13. This marks the beginning of an intense 5-month period for which Texas gun owners have been eagerly waiting. Most of the open carry groups in Texas can trace their origins back to the summer of 2013, just after the close of a very disappointing legislative session. For the past year and a half, they have been conducting open carry marches to raise awareness and keep the issue from dying. Now they have a chance to work for legislative action.

Justin Delosh is doing just that. Justin is a grassroots liberty activist, member of the steering committee for TAG (Texans for Accountable Government), director of Lone Star Gun Rights, working to pass Constitutional Carry in Texas. Justin is here to talk about an event at the Texas State Capitol on Tuesday, January 13.

Justin, we’ve been a part of many rallies and open carry marches near the Capitol. What’s different about this event?

Justin’s website is–

When and where does this event begin?

January 13. 8AM at the south gate of the capital.  We want to flood every office.

What can we expect to be doing at the event?

Show up and be counted.

Some people won’t be able to travel or get off work to join us in Austin on Tuesday. What can they do to help the cause?

Go to http://lonestargr.com/ and sign the petition.

What can we expect during the next 5 months of session?

What are the critical points of getting gun legislation passed, and how can listeners be ready to come help?

You’ve been working and planning for the session for almost two years now. How does it feel now that it’s actually here?

Tell me about the behind-the-scenes work that’s going on right now to help make this event happen.

Tell me about the people who are working to make a difference in Texas.

Recap Jan. event (when, where, what). How can listeners connect with you, support the cause, and find information?

Thank you, Justin.

Segment 4 DGUs

– Drug use isn’t a victimless crime.  A 20 year old man knocked on a door in Castaic, California.  He was high on heroin.  He asked the homeowner for 100 million dollars and then punched the homeowner.  The 63 year old homeowner had surgery a few weeks before.  His house guest had hernia surgery the week before.  They pinned the intruder to the floor until the homeowner grabbed his shotgun.  The police arrested 20 year old Salvador Medrano on suspicion of robbery and assault. Medrano is in the Santa Clarita Valley Sheriff’s Station.

– 32 year old Erica Duran broke a window at a Sante Fe, New Mexico home.  The homeowner said Ms Duran broke in and then came at him with a piece of glass.  The homeowner shot at Duran.. and missed.  Then homeowner call police.  The police picked up Duran a short distance away from the break in.  Duran is linked to several other burglaries in the area.  Duran is charged with possession of drug paraphernalia, concealing identification, felony aggravated assault, criminal trespass, and criminal damage to property.

-This is how concealed carry works in Wisconsin.  A 20-year-old inmate from the Waukesha county jail walked away from a work detail.  Then he walked into a Walgreens Drugstore.  He asked the clerk for a carton of cigarettes and to speak to a manager.  The inmate, Bretzel told the manager that he had a gun and to give him the money in the register.  The manager opened the till and walked away with his arms in the air. Bretzel then walked into a Steak and Potato restaurant and handed the cashier clerk a similar note.  “Give me all the cash in the drawer or I will shoot you.”  The clerk then reached under the counter and pulled out her black 9mm Taurus handgun.  Bretzel fled and was picked up by police.  He faces is charged with armed robbery, attempted armed robbery, escape, and misdemeanor repeat bail jumping.

comment- What a difference a firearm makes.

-An East Texas CHL carrier found himself in a position that we all try to prepare for but hope to avoid. Fredy Neal, age 65, was at a RedBox kiosk at a Walgrens in Tyler, TX when he was approached by Michael Caldwell. Mr. Caldwell and his girlfriend had just come from IHOP, where they were asked to leave after causing a disturbance. Caldwell then proceeded to create another disturbance by starting an argument with Neal at the Redbox. The situation escalated. Neal pulled out his concealed handgun. Unable to keep Caldwell from assaulting him, he fired one shot into Caldwell’s chest. Witnesses confirmed that Caldwell initiated the altercation, and Neal has not been charged or held in custody. As is customary in Texas, the case will be presented to a grand jury.

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Rob, do you have any new posts from your SlowFacts blog you want to mention?

One will come out on Friday about crime in Washington State.  Are any of our listeners surprised that criminals don’t obey the new Washington gun laws?

Rachel: That wraps up another episode of the Polite Society Podcast.  I’d like to thank Frank Fiamingo, Alexander Roubian, Justin Delosh, and David Cole for joining us today.  Rob, will you be with us next time?  I’m looking forward to it.  Rachel, will you join us this weekend?  Until the next time…  stay safe,

Rob: be aware,

Rachel and we’ll see you down the road.

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